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More help pages to create?

(Oh - Sorry for piling up messages on your talk page...)
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 06:50, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello? I want to get more help pages done... :D
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 23:52, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
I don't really know... :P Don't worry about it too much.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 01:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
But - but - but we still have red links on the Help:Contents page! :O Can I go through them all?
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 07:14, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Nonononononononono. I'll work on it.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 17:11, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm not visiting your talk page again. xD

It's too popular - check the list of most viewed pages in the Statistics page. XD
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 10:47, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Hehe. Yeah.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 16:13, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

You want a new archive for your talk page?

:)
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 10:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah sure :P. Everything before August 1st perhaps?
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 15:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Done! :) (Your talk page is rather empty now... mine has more stuff on it. :P)
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 06:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry... :(

I'm so sorry for all the trouble I've done - I've argued with you a LOT recently. Please don't ban/de-admin/report me...
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 07:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

+1 I'M SO GUILTY I'M SO SORREH WAHHHHHHHH
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 07:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

About those big blue quotation marks

Sometimes I see them on Wikipedia - how do you do them?
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 08:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

You do it with {{quote|<text>|<person-to-quote>}}, but you shouldn't have to use this too often ;)

– Lucario621

Thankies! :D
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 22:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

What's the big deal?

Supposing that we're being polite and respectful, which we both are, why do you care what we talk about? User talk pages aren't like wiki pages meant for the general public to read; I can see why you wouldn't want a "Class analysis of society" page on the Scratch wiki. :)

The thing is, I suppose I could ask Shadow for his email address, but that would violate a clearly articulated policy. Even agreeing to meet on some less-well-policed forum site might expose him to more risk than having the discussion here. (Mind you, I think people overstate the risk of Internet communication -- I'm not saying there's no risk at all, but the risk is only to idiots who arrange physical meetings behind their parents' back, and I'm pretty sure Shadow isn't that kind of idiot! Nevertheless, I bend over backwards not to break that rule, as you know.) —Brian Harvey (talk) 00:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

However, the Scratch Wiki, along with all of it's talk pages, is not a place for discussing off-topic subjects like politics. Talk pages are used for collaborating and deciding the content of the wiki - not a place to chat if it's not allowed on the forums. Having a Scratch Wiki account is a privilege, not a right, and using the talk pages as just a chat in the most hidden place possible is not the purpose.
Right now, I'm talking to you as a wiki administrator, not you're little friend. So I'd be glad if you would try to close-up the conversation between the two of you as well as you can :)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 01:14, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I know this wasn't your intent, but I really find "in the most hidden place possible" offensive. Neither Shadow nor I have made any effort to keep our conversation secret; we have nothing to hide. You make it sound as if we were making some secret plot. We moved the discussion to personal talk pages because, yeah, it's off-topic for BYOB3, and this way it doesn't get in anyone's way.
I'm not sure how to take "your little friend." That sounds as if you're offended, but I'm not sure, and if so, I'm not sure why. I hope we can disagree and still be friends, and I really hope I haven't done anything to suggest that I feel as condescending to you as that phrase would suggest. I've devoted my entire career to kids' autonomy, and to taking kids seriously. If I'm not living up to my ideals about this, please let me know how. —Brian Harvey (talk) 03:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I think this all comes down to a simple question: Are talk pages allowed to be used as forums or chatrooms? If they are, that's fine - unless there's a limit of what subjects you can discuss. I'm not sure what they'd be - but after all, Miscellaneous does not allow politics and religious discussions.

If talk pages must be kept to wiki matters, then there's no arguing - the politic discussions will have to go.

But yeah, if talk pages can have content other than Scratch Wiki-related stuff, then they can stay...

Now, how should we decide the answer to the question? Bring it up in the Community Portal?
Jonathanpb (talk | contribs) 06:35, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

The community portal might be better... but I want to mostly stay out of this - nobody can blame me for being a big bother then. xD
Chrischb (talk | contribs) 07:25, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I would have preferred it if Chrischb, Jonathanpb, and WeirdF had stayed out of this...
Anyway, I see you've moved the discussion to the Prism Forums, so I see the issue is solved.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 17:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Not really. I don't see what we are doing wrong. @Jonathanpb: Yes, you are allowed to have religious and political discussions, but they are discouraged. We were trying to find the best way to stay out of people's way while still discussing what we'd like to. The forums won't work; too many people view them and would be offended by what we were saying. Project pages would work, if there weren't a 500 character limit. So I don't really see any other place on Scratch where we can communicate other than the Wiki. ~Shadow_7283

Talk 20:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


Sorry Shadow, but here on the Wiki, and on Scratch Forums, it isn't "discouraged", it's just not allowed. Anything about 9/11 isn't allowed. Anything political isn't allowed. Most religious stuff isn't allowed (like Mayhem's thread). So it's not allowed on the wiki. Just talking about is not allowed on Scratch - people can get offended by it. Just because it's less likely for other people to view the conversation on the wiki doesn't make it an excuse. If there's no other place on Scratch to talk about politics and religious stuff - than too bad. Nobody said that there has to be a place to discuss this stuff on Scratch. I hope you understand,
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 21:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually, this is what it says in the "Miscellaneous" guidelines.
"Don't create topics that have a strong likelihood of creating arguments (i.e. Trolling). This includes topics about religion, politics, conspiracy theories, etc. If we feel a topic or post is disrespectful or 'flamebait,' we will close or remove it."
It says "don't create topics that have a strong likelihood of creating arguments". I think we kept our tones very polite. And IT DOES matter that others most likely won't view it, because it is less likely to create an argument. Once again, I don't see what we were doing wrong... ~Shadow_7283

Talk 23:42, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


One suggestion: get your parents to communicate to each other, ask them to create a Google Group for you and to add other people they trust. --
andresmh (talk | contribs) 21:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
@Shadow: Either way, the Scratch Wiki is not the place to discuss non-wiki issues. Although you currently have the privilege to use the Scratch Wiki, that doesn't mean you can use it to discuss politics just because you can't find any other place to do so on the Scratch websites. You two finding a place to chat about this stuff is not my priority - I simply want it out, keeping the wiki simple and clean, avoiding it to become a practically-almost-private miscellaneous chatroom for users to use.
We give users accounts on the Scratch Wiki so they can use their knowledge to help contribute to the Scratch Wiki's articles. Not to have an alternate place to talk to their friend about non-wiki stuff.
Thanks,
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 01:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
No need to be harsh. I understand their point of view. They are right, there is not a good space to have one-on-one conversations on the Scratch website. I wish there was one but we simply cannot deal with the burden of moderating it. There are great services out there that let people create discussion groups. From Google Groups to Yahoo Groups to others. In any of these cases, where there is private communication, the best is to get your parents involved. It is not too much work for them, just get them involved from the beginning and then maybe after a while they'll decide to just let you go on your own once they are comfortable. The wiki is a terrible technology for conversation threads anyway :)--
andresmh (talk | contribs) 03:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Sorry :(. But you sure do have a point with the last sentence of yours.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 15:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)