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An idea for Scratch Wiki block examples
I had an idea for some block examples on the wiki. I noticed that some block examples, like the one for Global High Scores, are pretty long and tedious to recreate. I was wondering if it would be possible to add a .sprite3 file at the end of pages like this to make it easier to incorporate these examples into one's project. How I think this should work is that all of the examples from the page would be put into a .sprite3 file, and then a user can import the file into their project to add one or more of the scripts to their own project, without having to recreate the examples block-by-block.
HTV04 (talk | contribs) 23:17, 5 January 2019 (UTC)HTV04
- While some scripts are long and hard to copy, what we definitely do not want is for anything on the Wiki to be treated as a "black box" - that is, something that works but no one knows how. We hope that by at least manually putting in the blocks, the user understands what they are doing and how they are doing it. Therefore we do not support project or sprite uploads.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:21, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Thanks for replying. Oh, and I meant to say thanks for the suggestion to my user page before, I updated it with your suggestion.
HTV04 (talk | contribs) 14:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)HTV04
Edit summaries I didn't make
In File:2.0 Front Page 2.png, I noticed some edits made by me that had edit summaries I didn't make. They included "starting to become a compress monster". Some of the summaries also were not my style of writing, and some even looked like they were made by you. How is this possible?
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 16:44, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- Edits may have been merged?
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 17:21, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
- Well, no matter what, those comments were made by you. I think you were going through a phase or something. I agree that "starting to become a compress monster" is a weird thing for you to say, but the history doesn't lie. You said it, just that you don't remember it. (Also, for the record, none of the upload comments look like things I would have said.)
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 10:16, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Is it okay to use Scratchblocks inline?
^ Jvvg removed the inline scratchblocks at Makey Makey Extension. There are a lot of pages that use inline scratchblocks, and it makes it easier for people to find it.
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 00:10, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- Inline scratchblocks are to be used, I don't know what he was doing.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 00:55, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- How about the color of the other block?
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 00:58, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- I just fixed that, didn't you see my edit? I suspect the Makey Makey extension hasn't been added to the forums scratchblocks yet either, so that's why it was red.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 00:59, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- I removed them because the size of them is causing them to be distracting from the text (the block is something like 3x taller than the text, making the article hard to read). Also, the precedent judging by older articles about blocks seems to be that when describing blocks, you use their title in plain text rather than scratchblocks.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:16, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- Be as it may, titles are harder to read as blocks than blocks themselves (it's unclear at first glance what inputs, color, or shape "Repeat ()" is, but it's obvious what
repeat () does), assuming the blocks are the right size. I'm happy with shrinking the blocks even more, but I'd really like to start migrating away from using titles as blocks.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 11:22, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Look at the Pageview Data!
On User:InterwikiBot/GA Stats, it says Scratch 3.0 surpassed Scratch Wiki Home on views, and Scratch 1.0 got more views than 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4! What happened?
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 00:49, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- Ohhhhh ok that's really surprising - though considering 3.0 was just released it's not too unexpected for people to look for it...
- But it's surprising that they get to 3.0 first! Looking at the Google search results for "Scratch 3.0", our page is 6th (at least in my region). 3.0 seems to be our most-clicked page too, 747 clicks as opposed to far less on the next most-clicked page.
- People are weird.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 01:04, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- It happened on jawiki, 7547 vs 3622! Twice!
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,106edit 07:22, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Can you please change the top bar so it shows Create, Explore, Ideas, About?
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 00:57, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- We kept Discuss in there in the Tips days, so I'm keeping it for the Ideas time as well. Now shows Create, Explore, Discuss, Ideas, About. Done
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 01:14, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Who made the wiki's version of scratchblocks?
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 00:31, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- Maintained by apple502j.
- Contributed to by Kenny2github
- Original by tjvr and ErnieParke
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 00:40, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- The integration is done by these people. We don't have a separate version, we just made an extension that includes the scratchblocks JS stuff.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 02:05, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- You contribute to the extension, so can you please add the unsupported extensions?
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 22:16, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- Another bug is that after an edit on a page with scratchblocks, the blocks might not show until a purge is done.
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 22:22, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
- And make it work in preview?
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 22:39, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
@CrazyBoy826 (1): unsupported extensions? Elaborate. If it has to do with adding blocks to the list of recognized blocks, though, you're asking the wrong person. Blob8108 is the creator of the scratchblocks plugin.
@CrazyBoy826 (2): It doesn't have to be purged. Just reload. For some reason in certain cases the "onload" event doesn't fire, and the scratchblocks never get rendered. I don't know what causes it but I'm already looking around.
@12944qwerty: it does work in preview. Hit the preview button again if it doesn't render. Same problem as after edit.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
When and where?
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 01:43, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- When: not in the near future, we don't forsee any need for new EWs soon
- Where: if you mean for past elections, S:ELECTIONS
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:36, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- I meant like where they would be held. Which page.
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 14:04, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- If there was an election, it would be documented on a subpage of the S:ELECTIONS page.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 14:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
i am just wondering on how to become a Wiki Admin like you Jvvg and others,
i just wanted to know,
JJBullet (talk | contribs) 11:59, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- Wait for an election, which should be held before you become so old.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,106edit 12:03, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hi! Experienced Wikians are elected, and during elections it is possible for an EW to be promoted to admin.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 12:30, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Scratch Timeline ambiguity
In Scratch Timeline, is says Scratch 1.0 was released on May 15, 2007, and Scratch 1.1 could be released just eleven days later. However, on the Scratch 1.0 page, it says Scratch 1.0 was released on January 8 and we have somehow lost the release date for Scratch 1.1. Which 1.0 date is correct, and what is the 1.1 date?
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 17:08, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- Don't ask me! I joined Scratch itself way after 2.0 was released, I am senior in Scratch only by human age. I have no idea when 1.0 or 1.1 were released. Might wanna ask jvvg or someone older.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 02:52, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
- Paddle2see should know. I saw him in the archive forums.
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 15:43, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I was trying to add an image to my wiki profile and I couldn't understand how to do this with the Special:Upload article, specifically how to categorise an image. The instructions point to a text box, but there is both a title and a description text box and I didn't want to mess anything up. Could you help explain it to me? Thanks!
Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 07:06, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
- Oh hey! The title text box is the name of the File: page that the file will be located in. The description text box will be the initial content of the file description page, as well as the file upload message, so you put the category in there, preferably a line or two after the file description. Makes sense?
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:09, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! I'll try it now :P
Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 15:44, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Your bot had given me a message, for my File:12944qwerty Logo.png. I had already compressed it but the bot still compressed for no reason. Did the bot compress every single file? And send a message?
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 15:07, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- No, it only compressed the latest one. Apparently one compression wasn't enough ._.
- If you want to make sure it doesn't message you when you have compressed, just add the word "compress" or "compressed" or any word that starts with "compress", really - it ignores those as it guesses that they're "probably already compressed".
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 01:56, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Bot messages mistake
In your new bot messages, you accidentally used the template with single curly brackets, so it didn't show up.
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 00:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Aargh, I fixed that, but in the real run I didn't refresh the config. Actually, I used it with double curly brackets, but because of the way Python string formatting works it got converted to single. Anyway, it'll work fine in the next run.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 01:59, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
If I go on Special:ListUsers, it says that the group "Wikians" only includes you, as other wikians don't actually say they are a wikian.
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 01:17, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Ah ha ha! You found my little prank!
- You see, the Wikians usergroup is an autopromote group, which means that whether a user has the group is checked on the fly, and users are not actually added to the group when they meet to the criteria. Essentially, when the software asks "is this user in the Wikians group?" it's really asking "does this user meet the criteria to be in the Wikians group?".
- However, since it is also a normal usergroup, I manually assigned it to myself as a test, and decided not to remove it :)
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 02:27, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Your bot TemplatesFTW's new message system has a bug: it adds messages to every single image upload I make, and I came back today to six messages. How about making the one kilobyte limit bigger and only changing it if the filesize is very big relative to the image dimensions?
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 01:40, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Looking at your talk page, it left four messages for four different files. This is intended behavior: You get one message per file. (It would only be a bug if you got multiple messages for multiple reuploads of the same file.) If the rest of your message is meant as a "but I did compress it!" excuse, there's a simple way to convince my bot that you did compress before uploading (though do not abuse this to upload uncompressed images): say that you've compressed it. To avoid wasting the monthly TinyPNG API quota, the bot skips any image whose latest upload comment says that it was compressed as "probably already compressed".
- Besides this, the four messages you got were from the bot's first run, to process a backlog. Future runs will not leave as many messages on one user's talk page unless that user uploaded and didn't compress many different files in one day. And if they do fail to compress many files in a day, multiple messages should punch the idea through.
- Can you please stop assuming everything is a bug? I am not the average "I don't know how to make a sprite move" Scratcher, I look through anything I make (especially if it's in Python, like my bots) thoroughly. If something I make does something, 98 out of 100 times, what it did was intentional, and the other 2 times are probably in its initial testing. That sounds arrogant, but it's mostly true the same way Westley was mostly dead in the Princess Bride. Besides that, specifically regarding things others make, if you say to the creator that an intended part of their creation is a bug, they will likely take it personally. It's much better to present things in the neutral light of "I didn't expect this" or "is this intentional?" than the derogatory light of "error" or "bug" unless you see a literal error message like these (one word one link).
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 04:34, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- As of the most recent revision, I have consolidated multiple messages in one run into one message. My intentions changed. What I said before about assuming good faith still applies.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 10:42, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Edit Conflict bug
I was editing Remix. I saved one edit, then I realized I missed something and immediately re-edited it, but found there was an edit conflict with myself. In the history, there was nobody else editing the page, and I only had one Scratch Wiki tab open. I had edit conflicted with myself. What is this bug?
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 03:04, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- I do the same thing — You went back into your page history to edit it right? By resubmitting form submission, you are getting this bug.
- I don't know the full details but this is what I know.
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 03:35, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- There are two ways this can happen:
- You pressed your browser back button. In the edit form, MediaWiki has a hidden input containing the last revision ID of the page when you loaded the edit page. The way it detects edit conflicts is by comparing the value of the input with the actual latest revision ID. If they don't match, it attempts to automatically merge the changes using diff3, but if that doesn't work it asks you to solve it yourself. When you press your browser back button, you don't actually reload the page, so the value of that hidden input is the same. But obviously, you've submitted an edit, so the latest revision is the revision your edit created, so the input and the latest revision ID don't match. Besides that, the line you edited in your first edit will be reverted in your second edit, so MW won't be able to auto-merge it. Bam, edit conflict.
- You started editing in a different tab before the first edit was done submitting. You load up the edit page, the hidden input's value is set, and then your edit goes through and changes the latest revid. Then it goes down in approximately the same way as 1.
- It's really not a bug, because there's no way to fix it, unless you're asking for straight-up magic.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:47, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't understand this page, can you help me?
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 22:04, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- lol me neither but I figured a way out. Put the CSS attributes inside the style="HERE" that you can put inside a HTML tag (<tag style="attribute:definition;"></tag>). I think there is some way to use the .css subpage but idk how either, I was going to ask also
Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 01:55, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- That page is a list of different CSS styles you can apply to elements, such as
setting the cursor to the "not allowed" cursor
setting the font to small caps
- More I cannot say unless you specify what it is that you don't understand.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:47, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Specifically the use of subpages. It asks us to create them, but do we code them in CSS or in HTML, and if it is CSS can we use class? I used CSS and class and it affected my view of the Scratch Wiki itself...not the actual page but the site (on every tab). That might be a glitch or something but everything turned black and the font turned teal and the margins and padding were messed up, so I just ended up not using my CSS subpage
Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 06:25, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- ...that's not even touched on in that page except to say that it's enabled.
- Basically, the Special:MyPage/common.css file is a CSS (not HTML or wikitext) file that is loaded for, and applies to, all pages, for you only. The Special:MyPage/scratchwikiskin2.css file is like the common.css file except it only loads when you're using the ScratchWikiSkin. Likewise for /vector.css.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 06:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, that is what I was looking for.
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 15:25, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you! That clears some things up.
Jedibrine (talk | contribs) 17:43, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I'm sorry, but I borrowed your signature code and updated it to be my own. It's here, but I don't know how to give you proper credit. I'll wait for you to respond before updating my signature though :)
EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 20:59, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- I saw the hover text, and I believe that's sufficient, thank you for giving credit
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:32, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Alrighty then :) Thank you!
EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 17:20, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
I want to upload a .GIF of the Wess dance from the game Mother 3 for the April Fools articles, but I don't know if it would be considered appropriate or not. What do you think?
PsyShock04 (talk | contribs) 21:37, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- I searched it up, and looking at it I'm inclined to say no. Just a little too much jiggling there.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:32, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, I see the file you uploaded now - that particular part of the dance is fine. Looks good :)
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:37, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Your summary on patrolling?
What did you mean?
12944qwerty Talk Contribs Scratch 05:20, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- As an admin, I see a little red exclamation point: ! on every edit that has not been patrolled. I can visit the diff of that edit to patrol it, which tells other admins that an admin has seen the edit.
- I happened to be patrolling the welcome edits that EIephant_Lover made and discovered how the template broke on RonTheNerd's talk page at the same time that you did. I made the edit fixing the template at the exact same time as you posted your talk page message. When I saw your edit, I got the impression that you were looking through edit diffs as if to patrol them, even though you can't patrol edits. Hence my edit summary.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:29, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Signature not updating?
Hey there, you're awake! Anyways, sorry about messing up 25+ talk pages... so I asked about the signature credit before, and I set the new one according to the instructions that I'm too lazy to link rn. It says it will automatically update them, but it doesn't, it hasn't been. It does, though, seem to work as I post it now. Do you know why or how to fix it? Thanks 🙃
EIephant_Lover Talk Contributions Subpages 01:43, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- Well, first of all, get rid of the newline at the end of your signature! There are multiple good reasons why the Scratch Wiki:Custom Signatures page says not to have any "onlyinclude" or "noinclude" tags in your signature, and the way your signature is breaking in this post shows that you didn't read through it properly. Remove everything in your signature page but the signature itself.
- As to your actual question, it will automatically update at some point, and it should probably have done so by now. At the very latest it should have updated by tomorrow.
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 04:50, 28 January 2019 (UTC)