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1.4 Rebirth

You said you knew how to set up ScratchR (but that it was really hard), so I had an idea. We could set up a website just with the 1.4 software, people seem to "miss" the old site, and (optional) we could modify Scratch 1.4 to upload to the new site. Does it sound like a plan? I might be able to create a web host, but I have no idea what to do first to set up the software. I am seriously determined to a collaboration right now.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 21:25, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I would also use the rebirth site to take screenshots of certain things.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 21:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
You would need to host it on your own server, as no standard web host supports the resources it needs. Once again, that raises the problem that if it becomes at all popular, your ISP will go after you and your server resources may not be enough to support it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:33, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
When coming up with these ideas, remember this, especially the first part.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:36, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Still, the best things happen when they are harder and take longer than expected, but the effort is put forth anyway.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:37, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
That is fine. Will this system do? And before I clicked on the link, I thought it would go to the one with the bugtracker. But yeah, once we finish, we'll be pretty impressive guys.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:00, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
That would work unless it starts becoming popular. You also need to worry about disk space, as people will be uploading projects.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I'll try to figure something out. The machine does have a lot of gig free, but I'll try to move some things over. We'll have to see if it becomes popular.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Also just remember that installing ScratchR is a ridiculously complicated process. It requires a lot of technical knowledge of server administration. Are you sure you're ready for that challenge?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:52, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay. But you're the one who knows what to do first. You said something about it requiring special software. Where should I find it?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, you need memcached which probably comes pre-installed on your Mac. If not, Google it. You also need Java, which you sh:ould hopefully have pre-installed, if not search the Apple website for it. Other than that, you need Apache (yes, Apache, not nginx), PHP, and MySQL. I think that's it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:29, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't have memcached. I think I've got java (is that for project player?). I'll get apache, set up a new copy of PHP, and I'll look into MySQL
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:46, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I dunno, doesn't seem to like PHP. Maybe you could set it up? Do you have the equipment?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:56, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I have my Raspberry Pi, which could probably run it. However, I don't have the internet connection to handle anything that's used regularly, and I doubt you do either.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:56, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Ah, the Pi! Of course, I have one too. But there's one problem. Raspberry Pis use SD cards, so there won't be much project room with the 10MB limit (unless we scratch the java editor). Also, if I ran it instead of you on my Pi, there would be a physical problem. My TV and router are in different rooms.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:15, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I don't physically access my Pi anymore. It just lives next to my router and I access it via SSH and VNC from my real computer. I could also try adding an external HDD on it to augment storage. However, the big problem is still internet connection. Most residential ISPs will cancel service if they find websites are being hosted, at least if they have more than a very little volume of requests.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, what's your ISP?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I have BrightHouse.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, that'll work. Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I missed that in RC
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:57, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I tried it and it didn't work, could you do it with a VM?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to host it. My server already has enough stuff bogging it down (I'm already running both Apache and nginx on it), I don't need more. ScratchR requires a lot more resources than anything I already use.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
No, no, no. I'm not asking for it to be a public domain, but just a localhost. And yes, localhost is one word on purpose.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:06, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
As you were telling me not to lecture you on Wikis earlier, I am asking you not to lecture me on server stuff. I am pretty familiar with network mapping and server operation, and as such I know what localhost is. Anyway, I already have it working on my old laptop, so I can get some screenshots for you, but I can't keep it running indefinitely so you can see it whenever you want.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
All I'm asking is for you to do it on a virtual machine, not to run it on your normal server. And if you consider that lecturing, I will stop.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I can try... Do you know of any good lightweight linux distributions?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:06, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to use Ubuntu Server in VirtualBox. You will need to install VirtualBox for this to work for you. I will try to get this done as quickly as possible, but it still might take a few days.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:32, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
One thing I should point out is that this is not as easy as it sounds. Setting up ScratchR is a complicated task that can take a while. I am also still working through hours of homework and other programming projects, so please don't be surprised if this takes a few days.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Actually, my processor doesn't appear to properly support hardware virtualization, or at least not what Ubuntu needs.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:49, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I take that back, I just had to enable it in the BIOS. I am currently installing it and will try to copy the files/database over from my old setup, and if that doesn't work just set it up anew. If you want it to work on your system, you will need VirtualBox or another tool that can read .vdi files.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
When you get it, remember that the login username is "apacheadmin" and the password is "1234567890". There's no need to censor this revision, the server can only be accessed by you.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:36, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I got the VM working, and have learned a lot about server virtualization. The only thing that doesn't work is the home page, and I'm not sure why. Every other page seems to work, though.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:43, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I use VirtualBox. Is there an online provider that will let you upload large enough files? And I cannot thank you enough for this!!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 04:09, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'll ZIP it, which should hopefully reduce it to less than a gigabyte. After that, I can put it on Copy.com, where I have about 15 GB of space free (I'll delete it when you get it).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:05, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I fixed the front page. I had to do a bunch of DTL ("down-the-line") debugging to find it (a technique where you keep moving a debug statement down a file until you find which line is causing the problem). I'll just test it out some and send it to you later.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:46, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm ready when you are.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
There are also a couple pages where the CSS doesn't display properly. I'll try to fix that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:51, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


I have recently made a wiki and I was wondering if you could make a login system so that only signed in users can edit it(not like the scratch one). If you could also make a skin for it I would be very happy!
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 16:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I'll do that. Want account creation off too?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:15, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Can you also make a group called "Expert" with permissions small-delete, rollback and patrol? Is there a way that I can edit the code of your files but not have the files?
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 17:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Like direct editing? No. I'll make your expert group and limit editing.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:29, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
You know the way that you have the files, which means I cannot edit them because I do not have them, is there a way that I can directly edit it without needing to have the files.
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 17:46, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm not editing anything on my local machine. Go here, skip the security warning, type for the username "comput22" and your Wiki password. Then go to file manager, and you are in the wiki.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Let Krett12 do this. I currently am very busy with homework and coding projects of my own.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:58, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── How do you create groups?
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 18:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Set permissions for a group that doesn't exist.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Let's move our discussion to the community portal (of the computer coding wiki)
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 18:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Krett, come to the community portal of computer coding wiki, I left a message for you.
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 18:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
According to the timestamps, I replied before you let me know here :P
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
You know the buttons: show preview save page and show changes, how do you add another button?
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 18:59, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
There is no feature for that AFAIK.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── There is a feature for everything. It sometimes just requires going pretty deep into the code, which I think it does in this case.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

But there is no MediaWiki page for it.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
No, there isn't. I am saying that you would have to start editing the PHP code yourself. It's doable, but can be difficult if you aren't fluent in PHP.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:22, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I sometimes edit the code, but I don't know that JayceeMinecraft can.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
There's a lot more to MediaWiki than just LocalSettings.php and installing extensions. Editing the code itself can be extremely difficult, as it is an extremely elaborate system. If you want complicated code, I can show you the project I am currently working on. It's fairly complicated, but MediaWiki is several times more complicated than that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Please don't try to lecture me about Wikis, I like them even more than Scratch. I once wrote an extension that made certain people see devil faces when they visit the Wiki.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm not lecturing you. I'm just saying that the core code is nothing like extensions.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:50, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
@krett12 Can you help me with the mediawiki pages?
JayceeMinecraft (talk | contribs) 09:47, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


Can you help me set it up? I have it all extracted.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 17:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I've got this. Give me the link?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:15, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
wow, creating wikis is so vogue now! ;)))))\
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:16, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Everyone wants one.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Fads come and go on this Wiki. For a while, the big fad was bots. Now the fad is making other Wikis.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:57, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
The fad of 2010 was being a contributor at all, right?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
jvvg, just a note, a fad is a style that was popular and is extremely short. a fad also does not exist currently any more (because its really short and the only way one knows its short is because it has passed) a vogue is something that is popular now-a-days. just a heads up :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))0
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:36, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I learned a fad as meaning a trend that comes and goes, which the automation trend seems to match.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:51, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

oh, I learned that fad was a style that is short but is also superceded by other styles - but I fully respect your definition! Sorry I may be a bit of a definition police - caused by my studies.... lol:))
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:06, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
@Krett12: I need help with MediaWiki and the Wiki won't be about Scratch, I think.
@jvvg: If I want to run the server I need another computer, right?
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:28, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Pretty soon I'm going to be the only Wikian who doesn't have a rank of power on any website, every website I'm registered on just has a normal account
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 19:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay :P. And -PRO-, what is the address to your Wiki?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
@Derpmeup: This wiki isn't even about Scratch.
@Krett12: There is no Address. I have to get it so that I can add information to the wiki. All I have done is downloaded the tar.gz file and extracted the contents.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:54, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I know :P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 19:59, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I am going to ask jvvg if he could help me with setting up a account request system.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 20:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

User:jvvg/Authentication for authentication, and for the server, you can use your own computer but it has to stay on all the time. You need to set up some sort of server (either Apache or nginx) with PHP and MySQL support (if on Windows, XAMPP is pretty easy, MAMP for Mac, for Linux it's a bit harder) and extract MediaWiki there.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
So extract the MediaWiki files to the XAMPP folder?
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 20:42, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, htdocs.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Alright. When XAMPP finishes installing I will try that.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 20:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I was watching this and I remembered this thread, that link may help you!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I will see if that helps.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Noooo! I do everything they say and it still doesn't work. I wish Krett could just come to my house and do it for me. Maybe I will have my computer buddy come to my house and try.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:40, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Well I did have to change it a little. Maybe I'll make my own.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 12:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
So, in the control panel, there are some buttons on the right, click "Explore". A directory will open, try htdocs. Now, I did NOT use bitnami for this. Also, when I watched the video my sound was on mute, so I nailed it 100% visually. Maybe this guy made that video :P. So, I download the MediaWiki 1.23 tar ball from mediawiki.org, extracted it onto my desktop, moved the folder into htdocs, and renamed the folder to "wiki". Now, first you'll need to set up a database, so first make sure XAMPP app is open, and Apache and MySQL are both running. Then click on the admin button under MySQL. When phpMyAdmin opens, it's pretty easy to create a database, just hold on to the name, username, and password. Then, go back to XAMPP, click on config, tell it which browser you're using, and save the settings. Next, on your browser, go to localhost/wiki and you should see something that says, "LocalSettings.php not found. Please set up the wiki first". Click on that, remember your database info from earlier, and just follow the instructions!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:31, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Actually, -PRO-, just install this and email me the code
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:23, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
What code?
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 23:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
If you installed that, you should see a code like this: 123 456 789 and a password like this: 1234. Please email me those.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


I know the last time I asked you to unarchive something I didn't really use it, but could you take our our 1.4 rebirth topic? And please work on getting things set up on your Pi.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:40, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that I will not set it up because my ISP would most likely cancel my service if it became at all popular. I currently only use my Pi for running WM and hosting my test projects, and I plan on keeping it that way.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
That's fine, but please still create it, and we just won't tell anybody. I still want to take screenshots and see what the admin interface looks like.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:52, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Seeing the admin interface could probably give away the 2.0 one, and it's not exactly a public thing. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Also, the ST once blocked one of my accounts on accident, and when I appealed and got the unbanned response from them, there was a bit of metadata in the email they sent: 'Metadata:
- IP Address: (my ip address) (http://scratch.mit.edu/scratch_admin/ip-search/?ip_address=(my ip address))
- Email Search: http://scratch.mit.edu/scratch_admin/email-search/?email=(my scratch email)
- Operating System: Windows 7'
So, most likely, the admin interface is at http://scratch.mit.edu/scratch_admin. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:04, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I posted a gallery of the admin images on the 1.X forums. They're not exactly secret. If you don't mind searching around a bit, you can find them all there.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:59, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I meant the 1.x admin stuff. And yes, it is at /scratch_admin.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 12:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────What subforum (or thread, if you remember) did you post the images in?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Either TiMAC or AT, I think. In 1.X, it's at /administration
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't think I'll be able to find it, do you still have the images? :P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:56, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
One of them was about deleted comments, blob's archive doesn't have searching.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:22, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
However, I have my own local archive (we both made archives) and made a list of topic subjects. With that, I found the topic here.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, wow! :O That's interesting!
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 01:18, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

music cont

hope you dont mind me moving the discussion here! (sorry if so)

over at [1], i did the same thing too! what i did was for every movement I wrote, I wrote it based on my current feeling. for example, prelude was made when i was a tyro in composition, but at that time I was more or less sad - i didnt get a good mark on my english worksheets :( for chaos, well i was angry lol i got grounded for playing to much computer (ironically composing prelude). then gregaire, in french, means gregarious, which means sociable. i made that song after observing my friends that were sociable, and comparing them to people what were considered a pariah. (sad, i know :( then came un ruisseau - a river, when i felt serene. and at the end - finale - well i was effervescent, vibrant, marked by zeal at that time. the dolce part - was because i was calm at that time - then i got hyper at the end lol
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I have started writing another piece, a piano sonata in F# minor. Check out what I have so far.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
nice! i love the changing keys! sounds like a flowing river to me for the main part! a question, do you compose with computer only or paper first, and do you compose in front of a piano? oddly for me, i dont need a piano :)
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I just use the computer, and usually no piano (it's easy now that I can just have the computer play it).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I also really like the piece you wrote. You are pretty good at integrating voices, while I mostly just write with a solo piano. I also notice we have slightly different ending styles. I always end my pieces with a triumphant major-key ending (usually at a slow tempo, though not always), while you seem to have a more tragic ending to yours.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:13, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
thanks! yeah, i think it sounds tragic too ;) i love how your songs would take me years to think of :) hehe im listing to ur piece right now and i love the melody! and also, yes we do have different ending styles - comparing my song and your piano sonatas :) keep making awesome pieces!
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Your integration of multiple voices is still way better than mine. Once I dig out my old computer, I will pull up my last attempt at a piano concerto.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:47, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── thanks again! i think the key is to recognize that all these voices played together are chords, and if you know chords (like triads clusters etc) then it gets a tad easier (thats how i think of it!) is your old computer faster?
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:07, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

No, my old computer is way slower. I got a new one recently but didn't transfer all of my files.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Since you guys like music, do you like Howard Shore? What about the Rolling Stones? I like Under my Thumb by the Rolling Stones.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@jvvg oh yeah i know how the transferring feels (i got a new laptop and i had to transfer all those pesky files lol)
@turkey3 ironically i dont have any songs from those composers in my playlist (i prefer like old old old songs lol)
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:08, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@jvvg i also found out that we have different music styles - you write with more chords in one hand and more rhythm than I (which work out very well!), and I prefer more running notes! hmm, ill try chords like you next time and dedicate that song to you!
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:55, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Nice! I don't normally dedicate my music, the only thing I ever dedicated was an impossible violin piece sarcastically dedicated to somebody who is a bit smug about playing violin. In terms of the writing and titling, I notice you like to title stuff in French, while I title stuff in English (I only speak English and Spanish, with a fair amount of knowledge about the Italian musical terms) and write all of the markings in English or Italian. I also usually just title something "Piano Sonata" (I titled my last piece the "Modern Piano Sonata" because of the opening and the fact that I was departing from classical forms), while you title more on the mood.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:11, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
nice catch! I do title in French sometimes and my Italian musical terms are mediocre - I haven't thought myself a lot just the major ones like presto and largo! even in 'Complete Annihilation in A Major', you show a remarkable knowledge in italian terms, especially prestissimo rediculo :P (oh yeah and nice catch on my titling of mood! now that i think of it i do!) did the person you dedicated the song to like it :))
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I apologize in advance if I misread part of your message. I am currently having a migraine and that involves my vision shaking, making reading difficult. I'm known for generally being very mundane and technical, which shows in my music, and I also tend to be pretty conservative in my writing. I'm writing my F#m sonata in sonata form, for example.~ The person to whom my violin piece was dedicated did not really appreciate it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:36, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

aww if he were to appreciate it though... :)
i really appreciate you replying to me when you have a headache - thanks! normally i would just take the day off and sleep :) and no need to apologize! if so though, i should be apologizing for making you edit the wiki while you have a headache - sorry!
but yes your technical side of you does shows in the music, and its really cool! i especially love the rhythm you put in the music - i mean, i would of never been able to switch between 4/4 and 6/4 so smoothly!
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I have trouble sticking within the time signature, and as a a result I have a lot of syncopation and switching of time signatures.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:51, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
(well that is a great addition to your music, changing time signatures!) i have so much problem changing time signatures though because when you change back to the original time, it sounds weird, maybe you can teach me :)
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:36, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't always feel a need to switch back to the original. I also just write music that's independent of the time signature, so the numbers on the paper are just numbers, they don't actually influence the form of the music.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
oh nice! im really looking towards your piano concerto!
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:16, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

i think e need to protect the page again...

File:Wiki Block.png just got reverted :(
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:57, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

It was reverted because once again, he was not being descriptive. And he's the one who doesn't like edit warring.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I think jvvg's image is better, IMO I don't think we need the space showing the rest of the Wiki.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 02:10, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree with the users above, but I reverted it not for that reason but the fact that it wasn't conclusively decided. Also, on the CP I asked for a cropped version where the IP wasn't awkwardly blacked out but instead either replaced with something like or whited out. Please provide one of those and I will upload it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:05, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

New composition!

I thought I might share it with you and KrIsMa. Enjoy!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:40, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Sounds very nice! I also like that you played it, instead of the computer-generated ones that KrIsMa and I use.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:32, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I actually am very bad at putting a song I composed on the piano into the computer, so that's why I play it by hand. It's also more realistic sounding, which I like. :)
By the way, I got an incorrect "Did not sign post" message from wiki monitor. Check my talk page.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:09, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Technically, that was correct. That could be considered adding a new post.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:16, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I was just adding onto my current post. Signing it a second time would only clutter the page. Besides, isn't the purpose of the detecting unsigned posts to make sure everyone knows who's speaking? Don't you already know it was I who was replying on KrIsMa's talk page?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:21, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
The technical definition of adding a new message is something on a new line. There is no perfect way to tell, but that's about as close as I can get.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:51, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Bot Messages

Now people are getting used to the color red. Do we need to change it again?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:52, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

hmm - to be honest we're running a wild goose chase if we do - for new users, red will catch their attention, but as will all users, they will quickly lose interest in it - and if we do change the color it would have to be weekly or so - which i think is a bit annoying :(
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, I just saw that talk page post "oh its so red i cant keep my eyes off itt!!" (Sorry if that's not how you said it), and I remembered it was once so eye-catching. But new users won't be used to it, but we will. Yeah.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:03, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
i can't think of another color we could put it as, maybe orange?
ps what i ment is now i have lost interest in the redness so we might have to change even more frequently.
i don't know why people arent reading it. the title of wm's post says it all though. maybe some people are just lazy or dont care about the post even though they have seen it.
Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:14, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, at least I'm gonna be useful for a change.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:15, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


Just want to let you know about this.:) :(
-unsigned comment by jandrewg (talk | contribs)

I replied with the information you need.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I signed my comment:/
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 14:36, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I fixed it.
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 14:39, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, i reverted the wrong double post.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 15:04, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I re uploaded.
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 20:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Scratch VM

Virtualbox doesn't seem to like .ova files?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

What version do you have?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:06, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I think 4.3, the latest one they offered.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:15, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Are you sure you're looking at the right menu? When I go to File -> Import appliance, it accepts OVA and OVF files.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:32, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Still doesn't work.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 04:00, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

There's not much I can do for you. I guess the .OVA format only works on some systems.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Nothing I like ever goes my way.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:15, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Ideas for a wiki page?

I am looking for ideas for a scratch wiki page. I made a page before but I received a message saying I did not use a link in the page and then it got deleted! I really want to make a page but I`m stuck for ideas!
Cooldude5367 (talk | contribs)

If you know of any features in Scratch that do not have a page, feel free to start writing about those.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:53, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

You have to help me.

Stupid stupid stupid me. I deleted the CP just to remove Krett's email but I can't bring it back because the darned page won't load... help? sorry
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 00:21, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

I'll try.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:21, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
There, I got it by getting the latest revision from your deleted contribs. The reason it didn't load is because there were so many revisions the server couldn't process them. Getting a specific revid seemed to do the trick.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:24, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Woo. It's back.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


Due to Jacobism, I lost .5K on my edit count.
Actually, i guess that's my fault, because I gave my email away
Well, you said we change exchange them, so I guess we're back to you again :P
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 04:07, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

I was talking about the existing admins (so we can talk about candidates later), and I had a specific page in mind that wasn't the CP.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Interwiki and Election

Could you interwiki Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents/Program with the Indonesian equivalent Scratch_Wiki:Daftar_Isi/Program?
Also, in the CP, you said that "Existing EWs and admins pick from the list who would be most fit to run" and you told Sci to "Please comment your email address at User talk:Jvvg/emails then promptly delete the page." Should I do that as well?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Now that I think of it, you know how there are several broken redirects? Mathfreak231 deleted the RSS Feeds page saying "guess i'll recreate when i find out about the new scratch rss", but now I'm not sure what to do with the redirects. I'm guessing I should delete them for now?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:03, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
1. Done. 2. Yes, please comment there. Your opinion will also be valuable in deciding the candidates list. We'll add you to the email discussion that we started. 3. Deleting broken redirects would be ok.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:41, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
1. Thank you jvvg! 2. I got your email! I'll try adding to the discussion in a bit. 3. Okay. I deleted them.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:09, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
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