User talk:jvvg/Archive 8

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WikiMonitor bug?

It said that I forgot to sign my post on the talk page of Scratch Timeline. However, I DID sign my post.
Goldfish678 (talk | contribs) 14:54, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

You have to include the time, which is added when you sign using 4 tildes (~~~~). Also, in the future, please add messages at the bottom by using the "Comment" link under the pencil menu.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:22, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

A little help here?

How do you upload an image to the Scratch Wiki?
Goldfish678 (talk | contribs) 13:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

You click the "Upload file" link under "Tools" on the left.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Not Scratch Related

I don't know anybody else who knows how to do this but could you help me set up PHP on my computer?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 12:20, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I can try. What OS are you using?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 12:24, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Windows. I have extracted everything. Then I don't know what to do.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 12:40, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

If you want a webserver with PHP, I'd recommend using XAMPP. It's pretty easy to set up.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:09, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

OK. So I download XAMPP?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:13, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, download and install it. Once it's installed, put an index.php file in the htdocs directory if one isn't already there, then go to localhost in your browser and it should show up.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:15, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

So I just type "localhost" into my browser and the php should show up?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:20, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ If you set it up properly, yes.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:26, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks for your help and I will get that installed and tell you if it works. Thanks!
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! Hope it works. :)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I can't find the htdocs. I went into XAMPP Control Panel and I can't find where it is.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:33, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Where did you install it? It should be in the installation folder.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:45, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I found the htdocs and put a index.php file in it and got this.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:55, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, you have set up XAMPP properly. Check the other files and see if there is something that redirects you to /xampp
jvvg (talk | contribs) 12:55, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

OK. I will do that.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 23:05, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Website Discussions

I wasn't done with them, can you take them out of the Archive?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:22, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Sure.  Doing...
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey, umm...

Can you set up a sub-domain on FutureSight now?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm working on it. I'm having some domain registration issues with FatCow ATM.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

FAT COW!!! That's an awesome name. And I thought it would be a subdomain, not something new.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:41, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

It is a subdomain (I was going for afwiki.fs.org), but it's the same interface to register a new domain and add a subdomain, the difference being that subdomains are free.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:08, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Wait, when you say "fs" is that short for "futuresight" or will it really be "fs"
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

It's short for futuresight. I talk in acronyms all the time.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Is it ready?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I contacted FatCow support about this. Hopefully I will get a quick reply.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

They replied to me saying "We are sorry for the inconvenience. I will be handing this ticket over to one of our technical specialists who will be investigating further on the issue. You should be hearing from them within 12-24 hours."
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:47, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Domain

So, if it's a subdomain, I won't have server access, right?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:47, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I can set up a special FTP account for you, so you will have access to the files. Giving you access to the database would be a bit more difficult, though.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:49, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Naw, I don't care about the database.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not especially fond of ftp, but it's still mice of you to do this.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:02, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

FTP is how you access files on the server...
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:05, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I prefer cPanel.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:08, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

You need some more experience coding. If you get Notepad++ with the FTP plugin (or, if you can afford it, Adobe DreamWeaver), it's much, much easier to edit code.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:23, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Are you judging my coding experience by what interface I prefer?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:09, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I am. Doing advanced coding in the web editors is difficult and needlessly complicated. Using FTP is actually very easy if it's integrated into your editor.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, okay, I'll get started. Or is my account not ready yet?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:15, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

So, I install an FTP editor, let me know what FatCow gets their act together.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 21:29, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

The account is still not ready yet, no reply since that last one. Do you want me to set up MediaWiki for you or do you want to set it up yourself?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:18, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I have no access to the databases, so you'll have to. Please have the admin account's name be Krett12, make it with a random password. Send the password to ***@*** (Please censor the email, and delete the revision containing it)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:37, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Will do.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Ironically, I just got the reply from FatCow after posting that. I have set up the subdomain and will set up MediaWiki shortly.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:41, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Email

Haven't gotten anything.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:30, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

No, you need to submit a message on the contact form because I forgot it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Wait, never mind, I found your email in the delete log.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:33, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I asked Sci to give it to you.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Still nothing...
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:44, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Visiting the site gets me this: "Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, cgiadmin@yourhostingaccount.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:46, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

1. I got your email myself by fishing it out of the delete log. 2. I am having some issues connecting to the site via FTP right now. I know exactly what the issue is, I am just unable to fix it. The web-based file manager doesn't let me edit .htaccess files, and that is what is causing the problem.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:47, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, you you do use a web editor! And if you use cPanel, there are 2 ways to get around that.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:07, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I only used a web editor because it was my only option. However, I can't fix your problem until I have FTP due to the restrictions in the web editor. Anyway, FatCow has been pretty good to me up until these past few days. Hopefully this will be fixed soon.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm just an impatient guy.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:22, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I am too. I'm starting to get really impatient with FatCow support right now. Anyway, remember that AF day is still months away and I should have this working by Monday.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for doing all this.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:29, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ You're welcome. :)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:30, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, FatCow still isn't being that helpful in fixing FTP. This means that I still can't edit anything at the moment... >:(
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:48, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

FTP is working again. Apparently my IP got blacklisted for downloading all of my files at once to make a backup then uploading MediaWiki.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:38, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I've fixed the server errors, but please don't set it up yet. I will do that tomorrow.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

How could I? You haven't sent me anything.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:55, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I set up MediaWiki. I have also emailed you your password.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 12:47, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Good. Thank you.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:26, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The Right Thing

Hi jvvg, did I do the right thing this time, or did I break another rule? http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Edit_Block_Colors
GRA0007 (talk | contribs) 10:28, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd say that's the right thing.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:56, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Umm...

I got a 'categories' message from the WikiMonitor bot, and I have no idea what it's talking about.
Goldfish678 (talk | contribs)

New messages go on the bottom.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 16:03, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Check out Help:Categories.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:43, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Verification

According to GitHub, the verification code is sha1(IP)(month). But looking at Special:RequestAccount, that does not appear so. Ideas?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:06, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it is that. Are you sure you're using the right format for month? Anyway, why does it matter as long as it works?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:50, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Because I'm curious. BTW, I'm going away for a few days, so on the April Fools Wiki, you'll be the only bureaucrat until Mathfreak decides to get more active. Besides, the code right now is 46bbc528b868966f453c322b3fe36894a301da26 . That is not the same thing as sha167171158668 . Now is it?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:20, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I can't do it. I said why on my talk page.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 20:41, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually, you don't quite understand what sha1 is. It generates 26(?) character hex string from an input file, and the code you got is an example of that. The code is actually sha1(IP & month). It is generally used to hash passwords.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, oops. BTW, it's 40 chars for me.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:08, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, ok. I wasn't quite sure of the length. It's a fixed length, though.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:20, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey, heh heh heh

You know how you said you once approved a request where the profile comments were locked, and even their most recent projects, you had to go back like, six. I'm embarrassed to admit this, but that might have been me.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

It's possible. I don't remember who it was.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:19, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

You're not mad at me? I joined April 7, but due to expired requests, it seems as if I joined on the 28th. Did it happen around that time?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:25, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't remember.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:27, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Do you remember this?

this? aww :( but it was a really nice speech
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I do remember that. :)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:42, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I think she's, I mean he's sad because you ended up becoming an admin without using it.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I became an admin under special circumstances, and that speech didn't really fit the situation. I became an admin because I was receiving a lot of requests to do admin stuff even though I was an EW.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you should use it anyway; just pretend you're not an admin. You know, SSS once asked Swampert11 to protect a page. It was pretty funny.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Well there's no point in me using it now.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:33, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

oh I'm not sad now I just found that speech after looking at ur archives lol

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:31, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Insanity

I know a few things that need patching up on there, you think if I did that, and you approved my changes you could make it the official copy?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:45, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe. Keep a log of the functions and stuff you change, though.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 12:23, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Squeak comes with a change log. Any reason I should keep my own?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:52, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Just don't delete the .changes file.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I forgot to make one in the first place but luckily I remember everything I've done.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:11, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Summary

I noticed that one of your summaries said "NO CAPITALIZATION REDIRECTS!!!!!!!!!!". It's because when I created my template, I realized that the documentation page had to be lowercased, so when I moved it, I accidentally left "Leave a redirect behind" checked. Just letting you know ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:27, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

It's all good. Just try to remember not to hit that button when fixing capitalization in the future. :)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:29, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and when you updated the news, you forgot to put a space between eighth and curator ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:32, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot to announce that I no longer honor language conventions. (jk, I fixed it)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:34, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

xD
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:36, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Bot

I thought grammar fixing bots were not allowed?
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 17:25, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I was fixing a very specific error that had no ambiguity. The bot request I rejected attempted to fix a wide array of errors that had a lot of ambiguity.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:31, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

OK.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 17:57, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Random

/off topic from wiki/ but have you ever gone through security screening in airports and entered the X-ray machine? it's really creepy to get scanned like that, but what do you think about those machines? (Just wanted your facet on the idea ;)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:28, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I personally don't have a problem with them. The newer versions just highlight the problem areas (i.e. what's different than what it should be), rather than showing everything. Also, I chose to fly. If I didn't want security, I can easily take Amtrak or drive (and this summer, I actually did take Amtrak once).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

ohh! I always thought the xray goes to a person in a private room to be highlighted ;) but I like the idea of the scanner because it's really secure ;) do you think the X-ray is harmful, or privacy issues, about the machine? ;)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

A real person does see the x-ray, but in the newer ones the computer filters out most of the stuff that's not important. Also, in terms of radiation, studies show that those x-rays are equivalent to about 2 minutes on the airplane.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 12:00, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

There's a difference between two minutes on an airplane and two minutes on the ground?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:01, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Airplanes emit a small amount of radiation.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:12, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

How does that affect time? And BTW, please check the April Fools Wiki. I've left you a message.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:15, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I was talking about the radiation emitted. In the airport x-ray, you get an amount of radiation about equivalent to the amount you would receive in 2 minutes on an airplane.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey!

I was thinking about starting up a web host. After all you've done for me, I've decided you can help if you want.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I can tell you right now that unless you have a good commercial internet connection (100 Mbps at a minimum) and professional quality server equipment, this is a very bad idea. If you don't have that equipment and it becomes at all popular, you will have angry customers.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:50, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I have a host that allows resale, not setting it up in my home. Like using Fat Cow (although I have something different in mind)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:54, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh, you're doing the whole resale thing. What host is it?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:59, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I was thinking HostGator if I would pay for it. If you wanted to do it (you have 6 websites already) then you can use whatever you like)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 12:46, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

When my current subscription at FatCow runs out next month, I think I've already found a pretty nice host to use instead. It's $60/year, but it's always that rate (i.e. not an introductory rate).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:19, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

How much does FatCow cost? Any why not get easywebsitemarket.com or easywebsiteshop.com those were the ones I was going for.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:23, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ FatCow cost me $88 for the first two years ($44/year, a very nice introductory rate), and you can still get a rate like that. However, after that, it costs more like $120 per year. I also am looking for a host that's widely trusted, and the one I picked hosts several good software projects. Anyway, if you need help with technical administration at reselling, I can do that. I also would prefer to host my website directly on the host rather than through a reseller, as it makes my life easier and is probably cheaper.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:54, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

i use hostgator so if you want to ask me something about it i can

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:00, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, just make sure to open it as a new account because I expect to be part of it too. And do you mean, "though a reseller". We are gonna do the resale, not them.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I was just saying that I'm not going to use this reseller account to host FST. If you need any technical help or whatever, just shoot me a talk message or email (now that you have mine). Anyway, I have another question. How do you plan on attracting customers? I can tell you from experience with my software (most of my software has gotten next to no usage) that you really need to market stuff if anybody is going to use it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:39, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Ads, and maybe I'll switch my own sites over to this hosting, we can even put up a little (optional) banner to go on people's sites that they host.

And to prevent abuse, maybe people should request subdomains, instead of creating them.

Here is what they would do, I guess:

1) Pick a subdomain 2) Pick software to run on it (like WordPress) 3) They receive the email with passwords & stuff
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:44, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I can tell you now that if you plan on selling it, there's no way people are going to want a subdomain. If you're selling it, you're going to need to include an actual domain in the deal. Anyway, there are already plenty of sites that host premade software (e.g. WordPress, MediaWiki, FluxBB, et al.)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:50, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I was thinking the usual, free subdomains, cheap real-domains (but they need to be more expensive than what we get them for). And I often set up MediaWiki using X10hosting.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:51, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

My point is you need to demonstrate why you are better than the alternative. In the world of business, to succeed you need to demonstrate that you are one of three things: 1. cheaper, 2. better, or 3. first. You aren't first, and there are free equivalents for just about every popular web software, so you aren't cheaper. You need to demonstrate why you are better than using free hosting or setting up an account on a cheap host.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured that out. What's the name of this host you're thinking about--I can probably figure it out from there.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:40, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm reluctant to say because their motto has a word that's not quite appropriate for Scratch.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:21, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Can you send it in email?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Sure. Sent.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

As long as they don't find out about that host, I think we're fine. $15 a year, come on! Another approach we could use is to place the words "vendor" "host" "website" "cheap" and stuff all over, and hope it appears at the top of a search. Another thing we could do is attempt advertisements, but those cost money, so I guess we could just do the free kind. Like with Scratch projects, or something like that.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:16, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

$15 a year, but it seems fairly limited. You can only use the software you provide, while most other hosts let you host whatever you want. Also, SEO is what you are attempting, and there are two problems with that: 1. plenty of hosts already do that, and 2. it makes your site look more like a "get rich quick" scheme rather than a legitimate host.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:09, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

If they ask for something else, I'll be happy to do it, but we hold the fact that we give away databases and install the software for them, in theory it's easy but a lot find it hard. Also, if they want an FTP account, we can make them one.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:23, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I see that reseller hosting costs $24.95/mo on HostGator. That's about $300/year, which is a lot of money. At $15/year, you will need 20 customers just to break even. Marketing stuff is not as easy as you think. Most of my programs (really everything except Insanity) haven't gotten 20 users and they are all free. In your case, you have to pay for it, and for most stuff there are free alternatives.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:40, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but have you considered regulars? You may not have 20 users, but I use them all a lot and would totally be willing to pay for that awesomeness.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:08, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

In the context of your hosting idea, if you aren't going to constantly support this with your own money, you will need over 20 users, regardless of how "regular" they are, as no matter how loyal the user, it's still the same amount of money. In the context of my software, most users aren't even "regular". People use it a few times then just stop.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:12, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll look into ads on YouTube, I guess.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:14, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Eh, those are pretty expensive. We need a new plan...
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ As I said before, I'm still not sure if that's the greatest idea. There are lots of things you can do to make money (not all of them online, you could also look into helping your neighbors and stuff), and this one doesn't seem likely to have a good return on investment.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:16, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

If you don't like the Web Host idea, I've got something else in mind. I'll start a new section.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 21:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Images

What are up with those images you have links to in your header? What are they of?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:32, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

They're of the bugtracker for one of my coding projects. I'm just trying to say I have a lot of debugging going on and tickets to work on.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:44, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh. Interrsting...
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:38, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

New Page Ideas

Hi Jvvg! I was wondering if you had any ideas for a new page, I really want to make a page on scratch wiki, even if it is one page! I hope you can help me - Cooldude5367

Well, are there any features you know of that don't have pages? Search around some of the more obscure ones and maybe you will find one that doesn't have a page.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 10:44, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know that i've ever used your account approval system before

Would you like to remind me what to do? (i.e. how much is automated, what i have to tell the user, what happens after approval/rejection etc).

Also, how come you rejected this? It would have been good enough back in my day.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:08, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

See Scratch Wiki:Become a contributor/Admin Guide for details. The reason I rejected that request is because we get a ton of requests where people say vague stuff like updating old pages. In cases like that, I ask the user for more information and if it's provided, I accept the request. It's called a "partial reject", because the user has the chance to explain further.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:10, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Is a partial reject by clicking "reject" or "hold"?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, at least the comment we leave during approval hasn't changed too much. ;)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 21:16, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

You still mark it as rejected for a partial reject, as the hold button doesn't work.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiMonitor Page

On the WikiMonitor user page, it says 'Krett12 for temporarily taking over the bot while Jvvg is on vacation.' It should say was instead of is. I'm telling you this instead of doing it myself because of the userspace policy ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 20:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Or just removed that stuff entirely. ;)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:25, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, but it was under the credits section
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 20:25, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, he may do it in the future. I changed the wording to "Krett12 for temporarily taking over the bot when jvvg goes on vacation."
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:57, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Well then..

I'm glad to hear you'll maybe let me do it in the future, because about halfway through my shift, I realized I should've picked this name instead : WikiMonitor JR! Well i guess if sysopbot gets accepted, I'll just have tweaker be promoted instead of making a new account.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

It seemed to work reasonably well last time, and I'll probably be out for a while again this summer. However, let's keep it as Tweaker, because the account already exists.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:14, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Aw, I really love that name. Besides, if SysopBot gets accepted, Tweaker will still "already exist" then, won't it? I don't think cross-bots is a good idea.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

It's perfectly possible to run two bots on one account, and don't hold your breath about the sysopbot being accepted. If it were to be accepted, it would have to be operated by someone who's already an admin.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:40, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

It wouldn't *have* to, however it's more likely to be accepted. Besides, have a convinced you and Sci a bit more now?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I can't speak for Sci, but I'm still not really convinced. However, the point that it would have to be run on an admin account is non-negotiable. Unless you are elected admin whenever we decide to have an election next (which would happen either if the Wiki gets a much larger volume of edits than it does now or if one of us leaves, and in either case we would probably appoint ErnieParke admin and have elections for new EWs), it would have to be run by an admin so that privileges are still assigned properly.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:58, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Re: Wiki Monitor

I just realized I forgot to reply to you in our previous comment chain about Wiki Monitor. I'll copy your last comment over:

Quote:

Author:	jvvg
Text:	“ Yeah, Krett explained the problem. If a user has a custom sig, then I can't look for scratchsig. This is part of the reason I voiced my opposition to them earlier. ”

What I was suggesting was looking for a time stamp or the scratchsig, not just the scratchsig. Although I've realized by now that a custom sig isn't required to have a time stamp, what if you tried looking for something else that is required in a custom sig? I found one rule that looks really potential: "A link to the user's user page, talk page and contributions"
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:10, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

The problem is my signature actually technically doesn't link to my user page. It links to User:jvvg, not User:Jvvg. I could try making it case-insensitive, though. Anyway, besides that, I also need to find a better algorithm for detecting what counts as a new post. Currently I recall it's a non-minor edit that adds 35 or more characters where the summary contains /* or new section, or the message starts with a colon.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:01, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Protection

Could you please protect my talk page archive? User talk:ErnieParke/Archive 2 Thank you!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:30, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

 Done
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you jvvg! :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:55, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

WM sig reminder edge case

Over on Talk:Scratch Wiki Home/Featured Article#List, there's a long list of featured articles, and when i added two (forgot last time), WM sent me a reminder. Not sure this is worth fixing as it is a pretty rare case.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 16:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

There's a discussion on how I can improve the algorithm on the CP. Any ideas?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:55, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

i might've said there that adding at the end if the current text is a new post. If not, it's over here. :P
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 17:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Archiving

Why did you archive Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 72#Project Tags ;; Thoughts Appreciated? It's still not finished, and I put {Not done} at the top to make sure it wasn't archived.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:50, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. I'll unarchive it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:12, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Aww....

I should have thought about taking out the IP info.......
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

It's fine. I took care of it. Just be mindful of it in the future.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:57, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Also, I actually did kind of take up your idea of a bots Wiki. On my server, I am running a copy of MediaWiki that I am using to test WM.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:57, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay, but at first I thought that "bots Wiki" meant a wiki with this as its homepage .
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:05, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

No. :P I am just hosting a test copy of MediaWiki so I can cause less disruption here.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:50, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you just set the wiki name as a variable?

Like as in this: set [wiki v] to [wiki.scratch.mit.edu]

and when you are running locally do this: set [wiki v] to [C:\Users\jvvg\Desktop\wikimonitor-master\wiki]

And I don't care you run it on your Pi, you use a windows directory system anyway :P //category=sensing only the PHP version of those.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:24, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

I did do that. I am pretty good at what I do. Also, my Pi does not in fact use the Windows directory system. Besides, when accessing the API, I don't access the directory. I access it still via HTTP, so the variable is set to "https://*login info redacted*@localhost/mediawiki/api.php"
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:28, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

I know it doesn't. When Krett12 ends a sentence with :P, it means they are joking
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

your bot

something slight about your bot, but it warned me to categorize a page I already categorized at File:Scratcheditcounter.png. must because of caSE seNESetIVE (i typed category not Category)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:16, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I'll go fix that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:25, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Fixed.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:27, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

That was quick! Just a missing /regex/i?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

No, I didn't use regex for this one. I just used strstr, so I changed it to stristr (look them up on PHP.net for more info).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm familiar with them. Haven't done PHP in a long time, but `strstr` is something like `substring`.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:36, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I don't know the full capabilities of strstr, but I use it just to find if a string contains another string. stristr is simply a case-insensitive version.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)