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WikiMonitor Got Me

Your WikiMonitor got me for making 15 edits in one hour, however they were all reasonable edits, mainly the uploading of about 10 images :P but I guess that's a good thing because it truly works!
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, WikiMonitor does that. Most of the time if there are >10 edits in one hour, it's someone who keeps making small changes to one page, which clogs up recent changes and is sometimes used to artificially inflate edit count. Anyway, good to know the bot is working. I've had a few issues with it lately, but I think I fixed them.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:48, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you know c++ by any chance?

Just a random question :)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:17, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. I know various dialects of BASIC, C#, PHP, Java, JS, XHTML/CSS, Squeak, and a few others, but not C++.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:18, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh. Yeah c++ is hard. I bet you know what classes are because of your experience with coding, but in c++, it is "revamped" and suddenly it is so hard! Oh yay you know BASIC! Basic really helped me because it heightened my liking of coding!

10 PRINT "hello!"

20 GOTO 10

my first basic program!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:24, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I do know what classes are (and how to apply them in PHP, C#, and Java). What do you need help with? If the problem is a logical error or something, I can still help with that. Logic and flow are the same across all languages. ;)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:26, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Thanks! Do you have any idea what private classes are? I seem to get stuck at that! For example:

class Hello
{
 public:
  int var;
};

and

class Hello
{
 protected:
  double var;
};

thanks!!!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:31, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what private classes are (I've heard of them but never actually bothered learning what they are), but private variables are variables that can only be accessed by functions within the class. This means that if you try to do

instance.var

with instance being an instance of the class you are talking about and var is private or protected, then you will get an error. However, if var is public, then

instance.var

will return the value of var for that instance of the class as expected.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:42, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh thanks! private classes are hard! Variables declared in functions are usually private. Do you know if you can create public variables inside functions? thanks!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:50, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

You can't.
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 12:46, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

If you want a variable to be public, it has to be declared inside the class.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:42, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

pelase delete a page

[1] thanks!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:16, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Can you also delete pages Template:Leave message/doc and Template:Leavemsg/doc? Thanks!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:50, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

It appears somebody beat me to it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

 Done
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 16:02, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

thanks!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:14, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Error in email conformation code

I get this ERROR every time!! It is annoying!

I get it when I try to send a conformation code. Also, when I put in the email, it said it was valid and it is, because my mom logged on.

Please look in to this error if you can,
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 18:59, 17 February 2014 (UTC) To view the error click here.

Don't mark my word, but I thought it didn't work anymore, unless I'm thinking of the password retriever.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 19:34, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

If you look closer at the image, it says "Unknown error in PHP's mail() function". The reason that this is happening is that it email is not set up properly on this server. I am not the server administrator, so I don't know how to fix it, but the Scratch Team has not said anything about it. (Also, another problem with the server setup is that you can't delete files). So, unfortunately, you can't put an email with your account and you'll have to live with the random numbers that it gave you by default. I'll notify someone with access to the server configuration about this, but I can't guarantee that I'll get a response.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank You.
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 22:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

IT WORKED WHEN I TRIED TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 14:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Idea for WikiMonitor

How about have WikiMonitor check if a new page or file is created that is uncategorized? Then it could notify the creator that they forgot to do so and explain how to categorize. I find myself always forgetting images (which I realize right, then, though). You can reply to me here; I see recent changes like a hawk.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:31, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

That's a good idea. Should I do it for all pages or just for files?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Maybe all pages.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:03, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I'll make it check all non-user and non-talk pages. This is now on my battle plan. Hopefully I will have it coded within a few days (I'm kind of busy right now).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

How about on the message link to Help:Category and maybe maybe make all that other bla text below (I.e. This is a bot contact jvvg...) smaller.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:48, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, sounds good.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:02, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I couldn't get it to work with files, as they don't show up as new pages in recent changes. I'll work on that later.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:11, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Please categorize new pages

It appears that when making the page Scratch Wiki:Sandbox/PleaseIgnoreThisPage, you did not include any categories. Please remember to categorize all new pages and files. Check out Help:Categories for details. Thanks!
Please note that this message was sent by a bot. Please do not remove it or reply to it. If this message was sent incorrectly, please notify my owner, jvvg on his talk page.
WikiMonitor (talk | contribs) 02:08, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

WikiMonitor

On my talk page at the bottom WikiMonitor told me I did not categorize a file, but that file is already deleted, and I created it a long time ago. Not sure if you're testing or what.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 03:34, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Oh, so it is. It currently just checks if the page contents contains a category. I need to make it also check if it's deleted. Thanks for letting me know!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Another thing, just like how WikiMonitor gives people time if they realize they forgot their signature, do the same for file categories. Scmb1 creates files and afterwards makes another edit categorizing it, but WikiMonitor notified Scmb1 before she had time to categorize it. Some people categorize files in a separate edit, it seems.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 20:13, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Look at [2]. It seems like that is glitch, maybe for file links, you put the code tags beside the link. thanks

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll give them up to 120 seconds to categorize it. Also, I'll fix the links.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

:)

Be sure to delete template documentation after deleting a template
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:55, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:11, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

questin

Does your bot know what page have its category in a template?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:24, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand your question. Could you please elaborate on what you mean?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:29, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

sorry for the confusion/late reply ,just worried if a user makes a page about {{Scratch File Format}} and does not include a category on their page because the category is already in the template, will the user get notified on not adding a category?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:48, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't consider that. How commonly does this happen?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:20, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know, but maybe this is something to look into. Thanks! ps: ill post a list of templates that leave behind templates in a while. look at User:VoxBot/UBBF for the results!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:32, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:51, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Could You Make A Change In The User Registration Page?

Do you mind if in the user registration page when you sign up, put in a checkbox that if checked, (when the email starts working again) when the user account gets approved, sends a email to the registered email that contains their password and if the box is NOT checked then it does NOT send a email that contains their password.
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 23:16, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

By the way, beside the box the words should be Automatically send a conformation code to the email you entered if your account is approved.
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 23:33, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't count on email working again. Besides, the registration plugin has email functionality hardcoded, but I had to manually remove it since not all Scratchers have emails. Partially re-enabling it for some users would be extremely difficult. (The original plugin didn't ask for your password, it just emailed you a random one when you signed up. I had to code that myself.) Also, there is no way to store the password safely. It is currently stored as a hash, and hashes by definition can't be decoded.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:35, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok.
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 21:12, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

It is working again!
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 14:55, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm getting tired of reading them, too

;)
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:43, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it seems that nobody is reading S:CONTRIB, they all just think that if they say they want to contribute, give back to the community, etc. that will get them an account.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:24, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, When I requested an account, I read it all. So I guess some scratchers do read it, like me.
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 14:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

I was (sort of) exaggerating. Many of the requests either have accounts that were created too recently or just say something like "I want to make the Wiki better".
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:57, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Please don't make several edits in a short amount of time

It appears you have made a large amount of edits (28 in the last hour) in quick succession to the page SCratch recently. Please use the "Show preview" button before submitting edits to prevent this in the future.
Please note that this message was sent by a bot. Please do not remove it or reply to it. If this message was sent incorrectly, please notify my owner, jvvg on his talk page.
WikiMonitor (talk | contribs) 15:33, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I feel there's some amount of irony here...
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 16:13, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Capitalization redirects aren't allowed anymore?

^{[citation needed]}
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 19:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I saw a couple redirects (now deleted) that had the "Not Useful" template on them with the reason being "capitalization redirects aren't allowed". If you're brave, you can look through the deletion log to try finding them.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah i still remember that cap redirs. were not allowed it was a long time ago in the community portal tho

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Umm.. Hello?

Hello!
-unsigned comment by FinTrakerGamer (talk | contribs)

Hi.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:11, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Whats sup'? I've got billions of Please categorize my pages. It very annoying as spam, I HAVE CATEGORIZE MY PAGES!!!
FinTrakerGamer (talk | contribs) 00:05, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

1. Please be polite. 2. To stop getting those messages, simply put a category on new pages and files. If you can't find a relevant category, make a new one.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:51, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Just saying...

Your FutureSight Technologies has some really awesome-looking programs!
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 12:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

WikiMonitor lots of edits guidelines

Perhaps you should also include over 5 edits to a single page in 20-30 minutes, in addition to 10 edits in an hour.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:29, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. I'll do that later.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:35, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

 Done
jvvg (talk | contribs)16:39, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Moving April Fools Pages

We actually have Template:April Fools that only, on April Fools, will show the fake page. On April Fools the template shows the fake version of the page the template is placed in. The real page can be collapsed at the very bottom. That way we don't need bots to move pages, they will automatically switch as soon as April 1 strikes.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 21:43, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

And the first parameter, if needed, is the name of the page where the joke page's source is (I.e. User:Mathfeak231/UnScratchWiki/...)
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 21:45, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:49, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

WikiMonitor Problem

User:Rose08 uploaded a new version of an already-categorized file and WikiMonitor said she/he forgot to categorize it. It was this file. WikiMonitor needs to be modified to not check new versions of files, only completely new files.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 14:57, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind, I thought it was a new message but Rose08 simply responded to WikiMonitor. bug confusion, sorry.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 15:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

It's fine. Also, it does only check new files. ;)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:33, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I Need Your Super Admin Powers

Look at the recent changed. Miafan cleared all the April Fools pages, so I could use your very quick rollback skills.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:44, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Do EWs have superior undo powers?
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 00:07, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I think so.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Someone should also notify a bureaucrat (probably scmb1) about this.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't worry, I already took care of the rolling back (which was a pain in the behind) and I did notify Scimonster on his profile (though not sure what he's gonna exactly do).
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:29, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Scimonster isn't a bureaucrat. He's an admin. If you notify scmb1, she can block users.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:31, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. It's just that scmb1 is a little harder to contact on time. Eh, I'll go tell scmb1. What else have I got to do. XD
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:33, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Do you agree we should protect the pages?

Can EWs protect pages? If so, do you think you could protect all the finished April Fools pages (Which is about every one except Sprites)?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:43, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Sadly, I can't protect pages. Only Admins (and bureaucrats) can do that. :(
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Your Bot, The WikiMonitor, and Categorizing Pages

Your "bot", the WikiMonitor told me that I needed to categorize my image, File:Imgres.jpg , when I already categorized the image. Did the WikiMonitor not realize that I categorized my page, or just accused me and thought that I did not categorize the image. Thank you!
Rose08 (talk | contribs)

I am sorry, but I had categorized the page for you, as shown in edit 85550. The bot just send the notification before I categorized the page for you ;)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

See, WikiMonitor definitely needs to be smart enough to auto-remove its notifications... :P
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 15:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, here's what happened:

• 14:20 - you create the file with no categories
• 18:23 - WikiMonitor sends the notification
• 18:34 - KrIsMa categorizes the file

The reason it too so long to send the notification is that I was having difficulties with the bot and I had to shut it down for a while.

@blob8108 - the notifications are important because although the page may be categorized by someone else, the user still needs to know to categorize pages himself/herself.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:47, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Maybe so. It still applies to the other notifications, though, such as the "forgot to sign!" one.
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 15:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Nope; the user should also be reminded to sign their own posts.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 16:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Is WikiMonitor really shut down?
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 18:35, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ No, it's running...
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:36, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Another WikiMonitor Idea

Not only should WikiMonitor detect if someone forgets to categorize a new page, but it should also detect if they categorize a page under a non-existing category.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

What if the user is creating a new category, though?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:21, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

It should give them a little time, no?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 04:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

It currently allows the user 3 minutes to categorize files, but expects pages to be categorized immediately. However, it doesn't require that the category exist.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:03, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

April Fools Day

Happy April Fools Day!

On the scratch website, is the cat stuff permanently there? Or is it just for April Fools Day?
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 18:31, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

It's just for AF day.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC)