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 Not done (this will never be done completely, so don't archive!)

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Here's some things that we need your help for.

Archive This!!!!

• S:CPND#Should "Griffpatch" become a wiki article? - rejected
• S:CPND#Block Lag on Chrome (revived) - ScratchBlocks updated

Other Topics

Topics that are not listed above.

About Scratch 3.0

• S:CPND#A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All
• S:CPND#3.0 updating
• S:CPND#What should we call the Scratch 3.0 player?

About Wiki Management

Backend

• S:CPND#Embedding of Scratch Projects
• S:CPND#VisualEditor extension

Page Management

• S:CPND#Help:Contents Is missing some help pages
• S:CPND#Not Done doesn't get enough attention

Rules

• S:CPND#custom signatures
• S:CPND#We have to delete Fair Use
• S:CPND#Account Request Notes
• S:CPND#Relax S:NOSP even more

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• S:CPND#We need your help: Apply for getting "International Scratch Wiki Coach"
• S:CPND#Why is Interwiki not possible in the english community-portal?

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Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,996edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Done.

Updated the list as the author.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,996edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

 Not done

Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Time	Errors	Details/Comments
8 August 2018	400 Bad Request 503 Service Unavailable	I was editing User:Kenny2scratch/common.js, and when I clicked "save page" I hit a "400 Bad Request" error. I pressed the browser "back" button (thanks Chrome for caching form data), and clicked "save page" again, and I encountered "503 Service Unavailable". I went back again, resubmitted, and the edit went through. kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
10:26 AM, 3 September 2018 (GMT)	Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties	I clicked on random page asqwde talk | contribs 09:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
5:27 PM, 3 September 2018 (HKT)	"Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties"	I was literally attempting to edit this section. When I clicked the "edit" link, it brought me to a page that said: Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. (Cannot access the database) You can try searching Google in the meantime. Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date. kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
10:07-11:20 PM, 8 September 2018 (HKT)	Major outage across all wikis	Multiple screenshots: [1][2][3][4]this is the most useful error[5][6][7][8][9][10] Basically the database failed to connect for a while, causing all sorts of obscure errors. Specifically, at times the required "mysql.sock" file was missing. Looking at server configuration, the MySQL server had to restart itself 11 times during this time period. kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
10:44 AM, 2 October 2018 (GMT)	508 Resource Limit Reached	Edit a user's talk page asqwde talk | contribs 09:46, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
4:40 AM, 2 January 2019 (CST)	508 Resource Limit Reached	Trying to create a redirect page.  12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
4:58 PM, 8:02 PM, 10:22 PM, 10:25 PM @ 3 January 2019 (HKT); 12:46 AM @ 4 January 2019 (HKT)	508 Resource Limit Reached 503 Service Unavailable File upload fail	Frequent outages across all wikis. Most likely caused by traffic spike from 3.0. kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
9:12 AM, 4 January 2019 (CST) 9:17 AM, 4 January 2019 (EST)	"Service Unavailable Error [...] 503 Service Unavailable Error" "508 Resource Limit Reached"	Trying to enter my talk, kept refreshing until worked, came to CP to log fault. Errors repeated until worked.  12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
15:02:46, 7 February 2019 (UTC)	Fatal exception of type DBQueryError	I was tring to go to the Community Portal and the website was taking a while to load and then I got the error. It went away after I refreshed the page. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
9:02 AM, 7 February 2019 (CST)	508 Resource Limit Reached	Trying to go to How to Make a Typewriter Effect.  12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
4:50 AM, 25 May 2019 (UTC)	HTTP error: error	Clicked the Show preview button while editing User:TenType/Header, when it did not preview and received the error. Clicking the button again resolved the issue. TenType (talk | contribs) 04:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Could we have a dedicated page to that?
banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,328)) 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Nah, just here is fine.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

If it comes to the point of like many bugs, maybe we can make a page so that it is easier to navigate with. (archives)
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Not too many right now.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

 Never done! Server faults will always come.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Can we just keep things to UTC for the sake of simplicity?
banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,328)) 16:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ It's hard to convert times off the top of one's head - if you really want to know the time in your own timezone, convert it yourself, don't ask the logger to do extra work.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Do we not have this?
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)20:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Known bugs is for the php bugs (mw bugs). This is for the server fault (connection problems).

Did you not get notified by ken's siggy warner?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  21:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Known Bugs is for bugs that are consistently reproducible (actual bugs); this is for faults that occur, sometimes randomly, that are not reproducible or only happen once (glitches).
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Articles to update for 3.0

 Won't be done for a long time

Hello everyone, it's already January 2nd for me, so I figure I might as well get the preparations started.

Observations/Edit Guidance

Pages outdated upon 3.0 release are incredibly numerous. In most cases, one or more of the following edits can or should happen:

• Parts that talk about 3.0 features in future tense (e.g. "there will be a new paint editor") should be changed to use present tense (e.g. "there is a new paint editor") or past tense (e.g. "a new paint editor was introduced")
• Parts that talk about 3.0 changes in future tense (e.g. "the editor will be moved to the right side") should be changed to use past tense (e.g. "the editor was moved to the right side")
• Parts that mention dates in any tense should have their tense updated (e.g. "the official release will be January 2019" -> "the official release was January 2019")
• Parts that talk about 2.0 features in any tense (e.g. "the paint editor has these features") should be changed to use past tense (e.g. "the paint editor had these features")
• Parts that talk about 2.0 changes in any tense (e.g. "the editor was moved to the left") should all be changed to past tense if they haven't already.
• Take this opportunity to update things that weren't changed from 1.4 days as well.

Progress

Here is a list of articles that need to be updated (on their real versions in mainspace) upon the release of 3.0. You can probably already start updating them now. Articles marked with an asterisk (*) have updates available at Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/the article title, but:

Warning:

do not copy articles directly from their 3.0 versions!

Though in most cases the information will be correctly updated, make sure to use your own judgement as to its accuracy.

Note:

Some of the articles listed below need to be created.

Feel free to update this list yourself. Add any articles that you discover that need updates; remove articles that have been updated.

• How to Embed a Project
• Blocks
• Change () Effect by () (sound block)
• Development of Scratch 3.0
• Project
• File:Name bar.png
• File:Offline Editor Share Icon.png

Remember to take this opportunity to clean up articles as well as update them!

Fix typography or other writing issues as you come across them

We don't want to have to make a second sweep to clean up all the weird grammar from tense changes. Remember to fix the grammar and spelling of the articles as a whole while you update them.

Ask for help when you need it

If a page or redirect needs to be deleted or you need some other admin action, leave a message at Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Admin Requests. If you don't specifically need admin actions, you can ask anyone you think would know the answer to your question.

Here's to a good 3.0 release!

kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Oh I thought a bot would do it :P also are we saving old articles, for example Block Plugin(2.0)?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 12:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I thought we were moving 2.0 to a different place and 3.0 to where 2.0 used to be.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Removed some articles from the list :)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Should Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Front Page (2.0) be updated? It's so similar to Front Page, that it seems redundant to create a new page.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I noticed that many of the things needed to be changed were the same in 2.0 and 3.0. What should we do?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Please don't externally link to Wiki pages! And please don't use underscores in links.

I'm pretty sure it's the pictures that need updating. Would you mind adding all the files on that page that need updating to the #Progress list?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Nothing has changed between 2.0 to 3.0 in Front Page, Messages, Discuss, Profiles. (Maybe more but these are all I've been to). The Project page and project editor are the only ones that have.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

The front page has changed, they've just been using the 3.0 skin for a while. Notice how the top bar is bright blue there and on project pages but a darker blue in discuss and the profiles as well as studios. Messages have also been at the 3.0 skin for a while. My stuff (and everything in it, like trash) has not been updated either.
EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 02:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

scratchblocks version parameter

 Done
I was thinking we should have a version parameter for scratchblocks so that we could see what they looked like in previous versions of Scratch. This would be useful for articles that cover previous versions of Scratch.
Example: <scratchblocks version="2.0"></scratchblocks>
1a3c5e7g9i^{(Talk|Contributions)} 20:40, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I definitely support! When we were moving to 3.0 I originally thought that we would keep the old sb extension and just change the tag to "scratchblocks2" (or something like that), and make a new one for 3.0 and it would have a "scratchblocks" tag.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:52, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I definitely agree! Having this would be better for the old 2.0 pages. +1
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  21:59, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Support! I do think we should also be able to view what the old blocks look like, because it might be useful in some situations (who knows?).
NilsTheBest (talk | contribs) 02:22, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Be careful: Long comment. Nutshell: too hard to implement

This is apple502j, the one who made ScratchBlocks4 extension. I know what you need, and it's nice. I'd wanted to make it possible to install both (2.0 version and 3.0 version) version to MediaWiki, but it was too hard to do so.

Old scratchblocks (Old for short) and new scratchblocks (New for short) uses the same global(window.) variable name. If you install Old first and New second, Old's JS variable is gone, and vise versa. I tried to solve the problem by replacing the name of New JS with a simple Python script, but it didn't work well. Without the script, we had to manually change it, which is also too hard. To make ScratchBlocks4 available earlier, I had to cut the feature.

Old and New also use the same identifier inside MediaWiki. This was a bit easier than that JS one.

While it's possible to beg tjvr, it would still need time. For this reason, I think it's hard to implement.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,996edit 06:54, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

I support! Now I know it's hard to implement, but it becomes easier if we accept a tradeoff: each article can only have one scratchblocks version. That way there aren't any name conflicts and it'll still work fine. I'll look into it later.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:08, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

I was thinking that each version of scratchblocks should be stored in a different global variable (new idea made from Apple502j's explanation), but your idea sounds more practical!
1a3c5e7g9i^{(Talk|Contributions)} 02:05, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Scratchblocks already allows you to render either in Scratch 2 or Scratch 3 style, so possibly you could make that feature available? https://github.com/scratchblocks/scratchblocks/releases (That page also explains how to scale scratchblocks to 67.5%, I suppose you mean to fix that soon?)
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs) 08:14, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

We already scale scratchblocks to that size, but with a different method, because the method on that page doesn't take into account that the space taken up remains unchanged (it was designed for the scratchblocks.github.io page).

You have a point! We don't need to include different versions of scratchblocks to render different versions of Scratch! I'll get to it right away.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:28, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ TESTING move (10) stepsmove (10) steps
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:49, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh! Sorry, it's just on my end (SeaMonkey 2.49.4) that they appear huge. It says TypeError: item.viewBox.baseVal is null.
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs) 00:48, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

setAttribute does work, though.
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs) 07:38, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Ayy, it worked!!!  Done
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:54, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Yay! I know I'm late...
1a3c5e7g9i^{(Talk|Contributions)} 17:08, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Compliment Tuesday! March 19^th, 2019

Welcome to the 18^th Compliment Tuesday! March 19^th, 2019.

What is Compliment Tuesday?

Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

How to Compliment

We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday

Compliments

The Compliments are *drum roll please*

User	Compliments
NilsTheBest (talk | contribs)	Thanks for interwiki-linking a whole bunch of pages! Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Supermonkeycat157 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for being so active lately! kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:13, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
Dominic305 (talk | contribs)	Thank you for your image compressing work on the files my bot doesn't touch yet! It definitely helps the Wiki load faster :) kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:12, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
12944qwerty (talk | contribs)	Thank you for being so active and helpful in the community! Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 19:58, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

“

There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

”

The next CT is March 26^th. See you then!

Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:06, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:06, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

I created a new Thread about #Changes to Compliment Tuesday? like Ken suggested.
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  15:03, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Help needed in the international Scratch Wiki

 Done Who of you can help here?

• tw:User talk:Mtwoll#DACH and French Scratch Wiki main page style,bot problems,some "Help:"pages are missing and Turkish Scratch Wiki infrastructure

Thank you very much in advance!
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:25, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I would love to help but I'm not an international wiki coach :P
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Every Scratch Wiki author can start to coach at the international Scratch Wiki, just get you an account here: tw:Special:RequestAccount

• Is it really true that nobody of you found time to help our fellow Turkish Scratcher until now? :-(

 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:01, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Oops...I solved problems but I forgot to say that.Thanks for all helps to all Wiki admins,User:MartinWollenweber and all users in the Wikis.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 12:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much!!! I am realy happy that my guess above, that nobody helped was wrong.
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:37, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

@MartinWollenweber I applied! Fingers crossed! :)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:56, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jakel181 Great! see tw:User talk:Jakel181
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:46, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:35, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Archive Time!

^^^ :D 08:47, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,996edit

• S:CPND#Should "Griffpatch" become a wiki article?

Not sure if done?

• S:CPND#Relax S:NOSP even more
• S:CPND#What should we call the Scratch 3.0 player?
• S:CPND#We have to delete Fair Use

yay!
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:20, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done btw
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Add admin request to the archive.

Should we add (completed) admin requests to the archive? It seems like the Done Requests are starting to pile up.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:38, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Ach, I knew there was something I forgot... I've archived all the admin requests now.  Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Is this edit good?

I've finally done my first true edit on the site! Its the Creating a Multiplayer Game article. It said that it needed some of thelanguage used to be changed. I've mostly changed the text in the scripts. Does anyone aprove of the edit? I mean, it's good for a first!
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 23:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, nice to know you're engaged in this wiki!

I noticed that you made a lot of edits for this, which is fine, but it takes more work for admins to patrol them. To avoid this in the future, you can use the show preview button at the bottom.

I also noticed how you formatted you links. I'm glad that you used the internal link format, but you didn't have to rename it. |NAME]] (that part). As long as you inputted the link where you want to go, and its not named to something else. (for example, cheatsheet, look inside). You also included a '/'. This will bring the link to the subpage of the current page. It will most likely bring you to a non-existent page. Look inside if you don't know how to fix the link for the answer.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  00:23, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to keep my edits to one whole batch. Thanks for telling me! :)
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 09:59, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, in your posts, you included posts without indents. We use indents to show who is replying to who. Otherwise it will look broken, and not clean.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:04, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah - I'm just getting used to how the wiki works. Thanks, anyway!
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 18:06, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

 Patrolled, reviewed, patched up
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:18, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Merging page

I'm planning to merge Slideshows to How to Create a Slideshow. If this gets accepted, I'll merge them, and then I'll say here to delete the page merged.
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 21:36, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, when merging pages, we would just put a redirect instead of deleting.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  01:20, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Before the pages are merged, we need to confirm that they should be merged. There isn't a topic on the page's talk page, so I suggest you open one to discuss whether they should be merged there.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:10, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 21:37, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Moving domain of special-case wikis

 Domains changed

Hello everyone,

I’ll get right to the point. Currently, there are three "special case" Wikis, which have domains according to scratch-*.info instead of *.scratch-wiki.info. These cause several problems:

• Links to them in Scratch comments aren’t clickable
• People keep asking why those domains are special
• Code linking to those wikis has to be duplicated

On the GitHub issue I linked above, LiFay suggested moving the special cases to normal domains, and having the “special case” domains redirect to the normal ones. I think this is a good idea, but we need more discussion on it first. Moving it:

• Solves all the problems above
• Makes things consistent

However, it also:

• Needs redirecting

What are your thoughts? Should we move, or no? What else is there to consider?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:02, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

The special-domains of those wikis only have historically reasons and so I vote for moving them to the domains with the same structure as all others while additional making them fully accessible under their historic domains.
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  15:07, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree to MartinWollenweber but technically,it's very hard(because that means clon the Wikis) and clon the Wikis mean more memory and more technical problems.Therefore,this isn't a good idea but special cases are historical signature of the Wikis,so I suggest if a Wiki has a special domain,we can move all files to special domain and we can close standart domains for that wiki or we can remove all special domain.This is a hard problem.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 08:42, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand - we're not cloning the wikis; we are only making one domain point to the other. (It's like putting down two road signs - one says "de.scratch-wiki.info" and the other says "scratch-dach.info" but the other points you to the one.) The main concerns are really just the redirects. And our decision needs to take everyone else into account! Are you for or against?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Update after yesterday: The domains have been changed as planned. Redirects are also in place. All scratch-*.info domains are now properly *.scratch-wiki.info.  Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:06, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Changes to Compliment Tuesday?

I'm a big fan of motivating things like "Compliment Tuesday" but couldn't it be more effective, if we decrease the times per year say down to 4 or 2? It's more motivating honored and to be honored rarely by manny than often by just a few...
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:26, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm on board with that, currently we do Compliment Tuesday, every Tuesday, when there is four or more compliments. Though doing it every 6 months seems too far apart, but if we do it once a month, say the first Tuesday of the month, it's often enough that I don't forget, ;) but not too often that it is not that effective. What do you think?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:33, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I think you should start a new thread regarding this. ;)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:04, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I created this new Thread about #Changes to Compliment Tuesday? like Ken suggested.
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  15:04, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

 The new CT/TT system is in place
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 19:59, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

The bot tweaker has no Im A bot template, It may make confusion.

 Done If you look o the page https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=bot You see that tweaker is a bot. If you look at User:Tweaker, you don't see the template.
Ideapad-320 (talk | contribs) 16:14, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

That template was never used on that bot's page (Plus, the bot was only used to replace WikiMonitor temporarily) (and as a reminder Ideapad, please use proper spelling and grammar on the wiki, this is a "professional" wiki).
Jammum (talk | contribs) 05:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Tweaker was always meant to be temporary, and it never got proper bot rights nor was it ever really a bot. The link to Special:Log on its userpage was meant to show recent things it might have done. It doesn't really deserve the "I'm a bot" template.

@Jammum, your point is clear but harshly made. @Ideapad-320: Thanks for pointing it out, and I hope my reply clarifies things. Do remember that we're a professional(-ish) encyclopedia, and proper spelling and grammar in a talk page help get your meaning across better. :) But if that's too much, as long as you use proper typography in mainspace articles then that's fine (though we may misunderstand you at times).
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  18:03, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Just a question...

 DoneHello all, I was just wondering if anything big has happened on the wiki, or if there is something I should know about because I have sadly not been on the wiki for a long time. Kenny, if this is not allowed go ahead and delete it.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

The policy Scratch Wiki:Kenny is not here is made.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,996edit 09:22, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Please don't call me Kenny! Also, you don't need to specifically call me out - any admin will do the same :)

Nothing big has happened that I can remember, but we have the upcoming possibility of the domain change for the German, Indonesian, and Russian wikis. (Anybody reading this: we need opinions on that!)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:26, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Got It!
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 11:29, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

New About Page

 Ken Said I Need To Fix It Up A Bit
Hello all, I was thinking recently that the About page should be change to be more standardized. Please check my sandbox to see what I mean. Let me see what you guys think!
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 21:08, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

It's good but I think real Scratch Wiki:About page is better than your About page.However,I saw your categorization system and I think this is a good idea!We should apply this system in the About page.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 08:26, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

When I was talking about the about page, I meant only the Int'l section. Sorry for any confusion! But, thanks for the positive feedback.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 12:16, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Can we get an admin to check this?
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 23:36, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

It's not a bad idea, but I am not sure about leaving so much whitespace.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:50, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Not Done-Moving

Should I take all the not done topics at the top of the page, "ctrl-x" 'em and paste them in not done?
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 22:29, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

No, the not done topics will be move by their authors when the topic doesn't end/finish/solve after a really long time.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  01:44, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Well then, I will move my ND post when I get hold of a computer, not a mobile phone.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 02:20, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Just an update, you can move other people's Not Done posts as long as it has been >1-2 months since the last reply. This topic is  Done
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 13:55, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, oops. I meant that generally the author's move it instead of others
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

List of deleted pages

(Brought up here after discussion here.)

So, there are currently four lists of deleted pages on this wiki:

• Mathfreak231's, which is the most comprehensive but is no longer updated in his absence
• Mine, which is a duplicate of Mathfreak's but hopefully more organized
• Jammum's Deleted Pages, which are more recent than either of the above
• Jammum's All Deleted Pages, which seems to be more recent and extensive but has the least information (it's only a list of titles)

I suggest (from jakel181's idea) that these become a single page in projectspace, something like "Scratch Wiki:Deleted Pages". This could be a Scratch Wiki Project.

Advantages

• More organized
• One place for all
• Can be updated by anyone

Disadvantages

None I can think of off the top of my head

Thoughts? Shall we do it?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I think we should! I like the style yours is in, snice it is more oragized, and a bit easier to find pages, so we should base the page off that.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

+1 :)
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 13:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Just to remind everyone, I have not finished my "All Deleted Pages" page at the time of posting this message. It will be contributed to frequently.
Jammum (talk | contribs) 14:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

To Kenny2Scratch: This will be a great idea, as it will make it more accessible to people. If this get made, maybe put it could be put in the "Navigation" box on the side?
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 21:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I think the page will not be notable enough to go there.
Jammum (talk | contribs) 07:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't think it goes in the sidebar, it's not that important; however, come to think of it, this is a nice candidate for a Scratch Wiki Project. Thinkest you that this is a suitable mission to embark upon?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I say aye.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 01:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Kenny2scratch, let's do that!
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

The Not Done Topic Directory

 Duplicate
This will be a directory of the not done topics located here. I'll appreciate all feedback, whether good or bad. This is an "more professional/eye-appealing" directory than apple502j's (no offense.) Here it is:

Scratch 3.0/Version Standardizing

• 1.0/2.0/3.0 Standardization
• Updating Articles for Scratch 3.0
• What is the Scratch 3.0 Player Called?

For Editors (Backend)

• Embed Scratch Projects onto Pages
• Getting VisiualEditor for the Scratch Wiki
• Making Account Request Notes more "engraining"

Pages

• Help:Contents is not complete
• Not Done is not getting attention

Rules

• To Enforce, To not Enforce S:SIG
• The deletion of Fair Use Images due to German Server Location
• To Relax, To not Relax S:NOSP

Interwiki

• The Int'l Wikis need "coaches"!
• Why is Interwiki not possible in the English CP?

For archived topics, please go to my userpage at NYCDOT's Userpage
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 21:34, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Two things...

We already have a directory. The very first topic on this page.

Ummm, too many edits. Use preview more often please.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  21:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I know we have a directory-this is supposed to be a more "proffesional/eye-appealing one." Sorry for the many RCs.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 22:40, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Duplicate. Please suggest your changes to apple502j instead of making a new one. We are not using this.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:01, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

When confirming my email

I have not confirmed my email yet, and I'm thinking doing so. However, can the checkmarks below the button to confirm be able to be turned on and off?
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 22:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes they are I believe
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 22:58, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Ok.
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 23:28, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:07, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Templates for note pitches and values

Since Play Note () for () Beats (block), Play Drum () for () Beats (block), MIDI Notes, and Composing Music all have near-identical sections on MIDI note pitches and values, could these be placed in templates? (The only differences are that the paragraph before the table of note values is different on the Play Drum article, and the MIDI Notes article uses  .)
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs) 23:18, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Omigod they're so similar I didn't know that they were c&ped! I'll get to it.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:16, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done and done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:29, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

EW Elections

 Done

Hello everyone! This might seem a little far-fetched, but should we have another election in June possibly? A couple of our current EWs have been inactive recently (like customhacker) and I want to say that 80% of the EW/Administrative Work is being done by Ken. I don't want to put a burden on him, so in the event that someone finally lol likes this idea, please "critique" my thoughts!
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 14:18, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, only the admins/buraucrats can decide when to have an elections.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:16, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I know that, but I believe reading sonewhere it said with enough wikian support/lack of EWs is enough to have one.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 17:18, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I think Scratch Wiki has enough sysops and EWs already.But it can be a good idea because some sysops and EWs look like retired and a little of users are still working and active(like Ken).I'm neutral about the Elections.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 17:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Ultimately it’s up to the Admins and Bureaucrats. I agree Ken has a lot of work. If he thinks it is too much we should have an election. If it’s not one is not necessary in my opinion. But if admins disagree make sure to respect their decision and authority!
asqwde talk | contribs 20:41, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 21:18, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Ken hasn’t been active for two days. Whilst their hasn’t been any serious admin concerns the role is to build up the community. Not just to prevent vandalism. So in my opinion, Election time!
asqwde talk | contribs 17:00, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Hmm, even though it's been 2 days, we wouldn't have the need of claiming he isn't active. If he disappears from the active user list, then i would agree he isn't active. He could be on vacation right now. As far as I can see, the only admins that are normally active are @ken and @jvvg and @bigpuppy (i know he isn't a admin, but he is a EW).
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:47, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree to @12944qwerty,and the Wikis are still working.Therefore,we don't need an extra EW.If all admins and EWs need an extra admin or EW,we must respect their decisions.An election isn't seem in near future now.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 18:30, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

But, the only EW that is currently active is bigpuppy, and the only admin that is active is Kenny2scratch. Most people believe that there should be at least 2 EWs and 3 Admins active about every day, but that is clearly not the case! That's why I think there should be an election.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 21:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Actually Makethebrainhappy (EW) and MartinWollenweber (bureaucrat)(mtwoll) are online as well. mtwoll isn't as active though.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  21:34, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

No, MTBH has only made two edits in the past month. That isn't active if you ask me. As for mtwoll, he is a bureaucrat, not an EW; MTwoll is actually not that active either.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 21:55, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

MTBH is spontaneously active. I did say mtwoll is a bureaucrat. You need to remember that many of these people are in college or in jobs - they don't have much time, so the definitions of 'active' is different.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:08, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

While their definitions of "active" might be different, we need multiple users of high authority to be on once a day to every three days. Having only 1 EW and 1 Admin follow this everyday is not good. That's why we need an election.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 23:31, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ You people scare me sometimes with your prophetic power...

We (the EWs) agreed a few days ago on an election in June. I'm starting to get overwhelmed by the number of edits y'all are making - I can't patrol them all myself. Additionally, June will give us time to train the EW elects so that they're just in time to help deal with the summer traffic. However, now is not the time to discuss it (and I am putting my foot down now and specifically prohibiting talk about it until it's announced), so consider this  Done until June. (Also, please none of you take it upon yourselves to announce the election! You're just being a nuisance and nobody will take you seriously.)

@asqwde: I've been busy with school, which is why I haven't been on in a couple days. There are merely weeks until exams and the teachers are getting nervous. I'll have more time this coming long weekend. Besides, most of my activity is patrolling, which isn't registered on the active users page () and which you can't see anyway.

@NYCDOT: Nobody ever said 2 EWs and 3 admins active every day is a good number. ^[who?] Besides, when I do manage to find time to patrol, I do it all, which takes care of everything usually within a few days to a week. I'm fine on my own, but I expect that it'll be too much by summertime.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:00, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Hehe I check in on a daily basis here, definietely more than my edit count reveals. I mostly post on the twitter page or write Wiki Wednesday at the moment. If people did have questions about how the election will run, they should look at some of the previous elections (S:ELECTIONS).
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 10:34, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@ken: I can see patrolling, when I posted my last comment I saw edits hadn't been patrolled in a while, but I (and am sure others do) appreciate the work you do even if you don't always recieve the necessary credit
asqwde talk | contribs 09:44, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Compliment Tuesday! April 29^th, 2019

Welcome to the 19^th Compliment Tuesday! April 29^th, 2019.

What is Compliment Tuesday?

Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

How to Compliment

We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday

Compliments

The Compliments are *drum roll please*

User	Compliments
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)	Thank you for pinging me for those two account requests! I must have missed their replies in my messages. In fact, their requests had moved to the "expired" queue when I finally approved them. kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:43, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Jammum (talk | contribs)	Thank you for helps about missed code tags and page edits.I must check all of a page before I save changes. Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 08:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs)	Thank you coming back with quality edits and sharing your Squeak/Smalltalk expertise! I understood more about Squeak patrolling your edits than I ever learned before. kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)	Thanks so much for finding time to help the wiki even with your busy life outside of scratch! :) Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

“

There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

”

The next CT is May 28^th. See you then!

Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Happy May!

It's May! And.......... yeah. It's, uh, May.
Alright who cares
 Dominic305  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  11:29, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks happy may the2nd to you too :)
JJBullet (Talk ★ Contributions ★ 670 edits) 09:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

And now,it's the 11th of May;Scratch Day!Wow,1234 events!Happy birthday Scratch!
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 08:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:25, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Did we miss Wiki Wednesday?

What's going on with Wiki Wednesday?

Specifically:

1. Did we miss the last WW?

According to post:3485635 Operating System was chosen, yet:

1. Featured wasn't added
2. It wasn't protected
3. It wasn't shown on the Front Page
   asqwde talk | contribs 12:09, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

We have cancelled this month's Wiki Wednesday.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:40, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Why??
 Dominic305  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:00, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Why we didn't know? I have waited impatiently!
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 07:56, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

We don't have a great venue for announcing this as it has never happened before. I am not sure as to the exact reasoning, but I was told that a preference existed for publishing this edition at the end of May. Whoever did submit did not submit in vain, we will be using the submissions next month.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 11:47, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:44, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not doneI think we have to find ways to make sure that this will not happen again. I'm afraid that if it happens more often, Wiki Wednesday is in danger to be discontinued. I suppose that the reasson this time was that the two responisble people had no time. So I would suggest that we have more than two people to be responsible, what do you think? Who wants to help?
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:06, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I'll be glad to help!
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 12:08, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Great, I didn't belive we would find a volunteer so fast! :-) I just was in editing my post to to add an idea that could help to create more impact with Wiki Wednesday: See https://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Test-Scratch-Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Wiki_Wednesday_Portal there is a sophisticated plan created 1/2018 that still is not completetly realized. I would like to assist somebody who likes to realize it. What do you think?
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:18, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, we might have well 've edit conflicted. Anyways, I don't quite understand the picture in that post. Can you please explain?
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 16:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I would be happy to help as well!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 18:20, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Great that Jakel181 and NYCDOT want to help. Perhaps it's even possible that our longtermplan for strengthen the impact of wikiwednesday comes true.

@Makethebrainhappy: Would you like to coordinate the engagement of Jakel181 and NYCDOT? You have most experiences with Wiki Wednesday so you could transfer your knowhow and refect improvement ideas. Perhaps you could even decide to have a changing responsibility "Wiki Wednesday coordinator of the month?"

Meantime user:LiFaytheGoblin has responded to my concern/suggestion by mail:

quote: "Great, I'm looking for a temporary help to get involved in an emergency. I hope there is no panic now because the wiki Wednesday has failed once, that is certainly not the rule."

@NYCDOT: You asked for "Wiki_Wednesday_International_Portal_Construction_Plan". Did you read all the explanations at https://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Test-Scratch-Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Wiki_Wednesday_Portal ? The picture there is not a fully replacement of the text explanation but to help to understand the text better. The smallest boxes in the picture symbolise sections or boxes, the surounding boxes symbolise pages and the outer boxes symbolise web-locations like Scratch-Website or a Wiki-Website of a certain language. The arrwos symbolise links of an entity in that section where the arrow starts to an other website/page/section/box. The concept of "teaser boxes" is allready established at the german Scartch-wiki see: de:Scratch-Wiki:Alle_Artikel_der_Woche. I hope that this helps a little bit to understand the "Wiki_Wednesday_International_Portal_Construction_Plan" better. What do you think?
 MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:30, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that up. I think that's a very good idea!
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:06, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't see this as a failure of the current system, since we've moved the dates around accordingly in the past to fit our schedules... it is true that I was to busy to write it on Wiki Wednesday, but I had it in for a possible April Wiki Weekend (last weekend in the month) which we have done when necessary. LiFay told me that she would prefer to release that newsletter in May which means that the next write-up is for June.

To make the system more robust, you would need to backup write-ups to default to in case a certain month hasn't been written. This kind of one-time effort to create a years-worth of back-ups would go a long way to reducing the risk of missing a date on our end and I would certainly appreciate support in that process if you want me to head in that direction.

To go through the points in the long-term planning post, I'll clear up how the articles are chosen. The process is decentralized, relying on language administrators to create processes to choose articles. In order to generate more PR-spinoff, the larger German and English Wikis have made community channels to recommend articles (here and here, respectfully). We then rely on the administrators to fill out a google form which I then convert into a post.

It would be great to have a portal for submissions that could automatically convert it to BBCode. I am not really sure how that could be done through an international wiki portal hosted here on the wikis (someone with a better programming perspective should comment on this).

You are also correct in saying that it would be better if we presented historical article selections in a better way to consumers (I particularly like your setup here).

The best way to make the system more reliable on a monthly basis would be to ask the administrators to fill in the form earlier. I always get the responses either the night before or day of which makes it hard for me to include everyone and keep the submission timely.

NYCDOT and Jakel, l.m.k. what part of the process you are interested in facilitating.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:17, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Possibly compiling the submissions, if help is need in that area.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 01:12, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, as Jakel said, I would like to help compile the submissions.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 19:28, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I would be happy to have you organize the efforts to create the backup repository of Wiki Wednesday posts, which includes working with international partners to get the submissions for all the different languages and then compiling the posts for these.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:53, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Page with links of categorized pages

Before you say anything, I'll explain.
There could be a page with other pages that have pages that are stubs, articles to expand, etc. This will make it easier to navigate, and making articles the best they can be. If there's already a page like this, I apologize for not knowing.
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 00:38, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, there are already pages. Category:Stubs, Category:Articles to Expand, etc.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  02:48, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

If you mean a general category of stubs, articles to expand, articles not meeting wiki standards etc. we have that too, Category:Pages to Improve.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:21, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh.
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 11:41, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:25, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Bugs about tablets

I clicked my page in my tablet and I saw it's blue;it had some bugs (for example;my page didn't slide; I didn't see that bugs before).I purged cache,but it didn't change.And then, I pressed my navbox's button, but it showed my references.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 06:25, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Would you mind providing the following information?

• Operating system
• Model of tablet
• Browser
• Page causing the problem

Once I know that I can help more.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

• Operating System:Android 4.2.2
• Model of tablet:Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 Lite(SM-T110)
• Browser:Chrome 71.0.3578.99 (Chrome no longer support this tablet)
• Page causing the problem:It rarely seems like blue and slide down doesn't work.I can't slide the page.
  Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 08:28, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Interwiki graphics do not work anymore

For example, see graphics in Scratch and Commodore 64. They were originally uploaded in the german Wiki. Probably it is a link problem due to the alignment of German Wiki URL.
Frodewin (talk | contribs) 22:12, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

AHHHH I knew I forgot something!  Fixed - I've purged the page as well. Thanks for reporting!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:03, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Templates

Is it possible for me to create a template for welcoming new wikians? I want to name it "Template: Welcomefromgod286". I'm not sure if I can.
God286 (talk | contribs) 08:20, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

It's possible, but not allowed - what you should instead do is make your template in userspace, like what I (and others) do: User:Kenny2scratch/Welcome which can then be transcluded by the same name.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:43, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Ok. I see. :D
God286 (talk | contribs) 03:45, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:27, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

What Happened To Archive 92?

^^ After thread six, everything ends up in Extended Content, and at one point extend content within extended content!
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:26, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Good point and excellent spot . A {{collapse top}} was added either by mistake or forgot to be closed. I can’t edit it so we need to wait for an admin.
asqwde talk | contribs 21:10, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

 Fixed.

The collapse bottom was actually there, but failing to close any tags properly. And even if I tried doing it without templates it still didn't close. I've removed it entirely.

There is a lesson to be learned here: Do not tamper with the forces of nature known as MediaWiki tag-closing rules.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:58, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Important CP Topics Directory

Hi Everyone! So, in archive 91 of the CP, it seemed as though @customhacker had created a neat little thing in his userspace called CP Summaries. What this was is that he put the most important topics from CP Archives, and put links to them in his userspace. It doesn't seem like they'll update it anytime soon, so I created a new one! Tell me what you guys think; all feedback will be appreciated.
Click Me!
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 22:36, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Cool!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:37, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

“Secret” Compliments

We all know Compliment Tuesday. To suggest compliments we have the S:CT page. It’s a great way to compliment people, but could be even better.

Right now you suggest a compliment, everyone who wants to including the person who was complimented can see it and get posted on CP.

So I thought that’s good but you do let look forward to the CP post because you know if you have been complimented.

I propose proposing compliments on a way no-one else can see apart from the organizer(s). This can be achieved by a Google Form.

Proposed new method:

• Users suggest compliments on Google Form entering all details as they would before

• End of the month (organizer)s have admin access to the form and gather responses

• Posted in CP

This way:

• Users will look forward to see compliments received and not seeing anytime of the month

• People will be more encouraged by the compliments

Ideas?
asqwde talk | contribs 07:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

There are pros and cons to this... on one hand, people will be less self-conscious about complimenting if nobody knows it's them, but on the other hand some compliments either don't make sense if you don't know who it is or imply on their own who the person complimenting is. I do like the idea of looking forward to compliments rather than seeing them immediately, but the con to that is people might be disappointed if CT doesn't come out at the end of the month due to not enough people complimenting...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm on board with this. I still would like to keep the non-secret compliments as a second option if we go about this. The main problem would be moderation. With anonymity, there is more of a chance that something mean would come out of it. An unwritten policy of CT is, if I see a disrespectful "compliment" it won't be included. If we were to use a google forum, we would have to have some way of knowing who compliment who, we can't just ask for a username since we can't verify it wasn't an impostor. Any ideas how to go about this?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps (again) an extension? Special:ComplimentTuesday sounds like an interesting idea...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:50, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Guess who forked your report extension ;) (or possibly Special:ThankfulThursday :P)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 12:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

+1 for a Special: page where compliments can be submitted and a way of suggesting public compliments
asqwde talk | contribs 16:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ But also,Scratch and Scratch Wiki are growing up with "Imagine, Program, Share".Here's an rejected example suggestion:

“	Private Messaging When communication is public, people are more likely to be respectful because they know that everyone can see it. However, when posting PMs, people know that only the intended recipient can see it, so do not think as much before posting. Even if a "Flag PM" function is implemented, the Scratch Team currently does not have the resources to moderate it, because of the reason said before there would be a lot of inappropriate/disrespectful messages.	”
– Scratch Team

Also,we can see other's compliments(Google Forms give this in finish of the form,right?).

Shortly:

• It's a bad idea because...

• It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages

• I have some questions about Google Forms security

• Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)

• And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging

• If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work

• Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)

Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 20:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I would generally discourage the use of google forms for this kind of project given that you are seeking input from the entire community.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I also disagree with using Google Forms because fake or anonymous users could abuse the feature. However, maybe Special:ComplimentTuesday could be the way to go...
TenType (talk | contribs) 02:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Google Forms are out by multiple Community and Wiki G/guidelines. A special page is the way to go. @Ahmetlii: If we're using a special page, problems solved include:

• It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages

Compliments would be reviewed before being shown. Inappropriate messages are vandalism and would be treated as such.  Solved

• I have some questions about Google Forms security

No Google Forms.  Solved

• Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)

Not a problem for me, it'll be fun!  Solved

• And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging

Compliments are shown to everyone - only who submitted the compliment is hidden. Not private messaging.  Solved

• If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work

Not very much more, and @jakel181 has been doing a great job on CT so far, I'm sure he wouldn't mind looking through the compliments before he posts them.

• Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)

Not with a special page!  Solved

I think a special page is definitely the way to go. I believe the following are the only questions to really consider:

• Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted?
  • If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate?
• Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
  • If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.

This concludes my post.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I think we should allow EW/Admins/Bureaucrats see in some fashion. (Maybe not all but a couple)
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  12:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘

• Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted? -Yes, they are. (I don't need it :P)
  • If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate? -It's named as "be shy" :)
• Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)

-No, we don't because S:JOIN-if somebody want to send a message, they must join and login to the Wiki.

• • If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.

-They can use Scratch profiles to send a message - it's only a Wiki about Scratch.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 17:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Renaming CT

Compliment Tuesday is, by its name, meant for compliments... but most of the time what appears are instead words of thanks. Shall we rename it to "Thankful" or "Thanksgiving" Tuesday? (And perhaps, since the actual Thanksgiving is on Thursday, we could move it to Thursdays as well?)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:41, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with renaming it(or moving the day), though, I still would like not to be limited to only "thanks". What are some other opinions on this?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:34, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday sounds good
 Dominic305  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:02, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

+1 Yes, I think Thankful Thursday is good, however, just like @Jakel181 said, it shouldn't be limited to just "thanks".
TenType (talk | contribs) 02:57, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

To go about remanaming CT do we just want CT to redirect to TT. If so what about all the subpages of CT. Are we just going to remane them to?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

If we rename it, what will likely end up happening is that anything redirecting or relating to the root CT page will redirect to TT; but the archives won't redirect, that's unnecessary.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:12, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

 Renaming Complete!
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 19:56, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I saw something that ruined the change of name...
God286 (talk | contribs) 21:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

What ruined the change?
TenType (talk | contribs) 01:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Welcome templates

A lot of people have their own "welcome" templates that they post on new users' talk pages. This is a great idea, because new users can get to know new people and, of course, feel welcomed. However, the welcoming effect starts diminishing when things like this happen:

10 different people jumping on the new user is too much - it's not welcoming, it's downright scary! How would you feel if you created an account somewhere and you were confronted with a wall of "welcome"s?

To counteract this, I don't propose forbidding welcomes entirely; what I instead think should be the case is that we have a limit on how many welcome messages can be on a talk page - probably around 4-5 at the most. That does mean it turns into a race as to who can get their message on first, but that can't be helped - if you want to get your message in, ya gotta be active at the right time.

I don't think there's much room for debate on the necessity of the limit, but what can be bargained is the limit itself - how many topics do you think is too many?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I think that a limit of 4-5 is a great idea I still remember when I started the messages really confused me. Also, I'd say that if you post a welcome message, it should have a variation of the simple title "Welcome!". I tried to make mine a bit different. I like the "All aboard!" one. Maybe we could say if there are more than eight messages already, really don't put one, but if there are 4-5 try not to put your template, but a personal message is okay.
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  21:06, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I see this level of enthusiasm as very exciting. While it may be a little intimidating, I look at it more as a great way to integrate yourself with the community immediately and meeting many of the people who you will be working with side-by-side. Nonetheless, I would love to see more data on this and interview some people on their experiences regarding this to see if it does have a negative impact.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

As we are bargaining for this, I was just wondering what we'll be doing now. Should we be limiting welcomes now? Or do we continue welcoming as much as we can ?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

While the rule is still merely proposed, it is not yet a rule. Welcomes are unlimited until this is put in force.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

It has happened again...
 Dominic305  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ maybe a way to avoid this is to make the section named a bit different??
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 21:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Captioning on Pictures

 Done Okay, so sometimes I see captions on pictures that have a period at the end and some don't. For example, on Scratch Trends, especially this section, the captions are very inconsistent. One says "An evil kumquat" and the next says "Two kumquats.". I know that if they caption is a sentence, it should have one. But the examples were both fragments (just the subject) and one was treated as a sentence and the other a phrase.

TL;DR: Should we or should we not put periods at the end of image captions that are not sentences?
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  21:11, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the style guide on Wikipedia has any information on this, but I would check there first. Personally I would leave periods off the fragements and keep them on the sentences.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:37, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I found, on actual Wikipedia, their ruling on it. I'm fully aware that the Scratch Wiki is not Wikipedia and that we shouldn't implement a rule just because Wikipedia has it, but their ruling on captioning makes perfect sense. It is here, and I think we should add it (the first two bullets under "Formatting of captions") to our style guide because it will make our captioning and things much more consistent and professional-looking.

Also, when I did the preview, the link to the Wiki page wasn't working, so here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Captions
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  15:13, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I would include it in our style guide.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 23:07, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I will add a style rule later this week conforming to that (though it cannot be automatically enforced - parsing language is hard). Also, to link to Wikipedia: Wikipedia pages from here, you use two "wikipedia:"s: [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Captions]] produces wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Captions.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:07, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks :) I fixed the link but I'll keep the direct one, too.
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  17:43, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Don't forget to do this! I recommend putting it here.
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  19:46, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘  Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:54, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Trends

I think we should add the Planet Gang trend on the Scratch Trends page, as it's starting to grow.
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 21:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I second that.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 15:18, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

It's already on there.

Also, when you suggest something for a specific page, you should do it on the talk page, not the Community Portal.
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  19:30, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Ok.
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 20:42, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Adding to and removing from categories doesn't work

Yesterday I tried to change the categories of File:Micro-bit help.png and File:Make a Block.png, however the former still appears in its original category and neither appear in Category:Scratch 3.0 Program Images. The same problem is happening with all the articles of Category:Music Extension, which I made the week before last. Neither using Purge Carche nor clearing my browser cache helped.
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs) 05:14, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I've had this same problem before. Apparently, categories don't update for a couple days at a time. I don't 100% remember though.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:08, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Same problem for me. As 12944qwerty said, it doesn't update for days at a time. I've noticed it's usually about 3 days.
 Dominic305  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:13, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

It usually turns out to be within a week. If it becomes longer, let me know - I'll run maintenance at some point and then it will update.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:08, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. (It was really the week before the week before last week.)
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs) 03:59, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

adding a blocks added in 3.0

can i add blocks added in 3.0 to this page
Legobouwer9 (talk | contribs) 15:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead! You never have to ask if you can fix something as minor as a red-link fix.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 19:19, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, you don't have to ask about anything to change unless it will affect a lot of things. These include

• Moving pages
• merging
• Template editing/creating in Template namespace

and etc.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Block Problems

Today I started to finish up the script for How to Evaluate an Expression, and things got out of hand. When I first completed it, I realized I did some of the block loops wrong, and it like wrapped around some things that I didn't want to wrap around, while I also couldn't get this one if then else block to wrap around something else — it was all a mess. I cleaned some of it up, but I am afraid I'll make it worse and I already spent more than an hour on it. Also, I have to save it each time I want to check if it is correct, since for some reason the blocks won't load up in Show preview mode (it appears in code) but loads when the changes are saved. Can somebody please fix up the script to match the one in post #19 in this forum topic?
TenType (talk | contribs) 04:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

The blocks still don't match the one in the post, I tried again on my sandbox and it still does not cut out. Anyone who is an expert at doing this?
TenType (talk | contribs) 05:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

You can use this page.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 07:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Curse Garamol56 for not using forum scratchblocks!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ahmetlii That website may come in handy...

@kenny2scratch Yes, it is so exhausting to convert it into proper scratchblocks!
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Minor change to title of Scratch mod articles

I renamed Chirp (Scratch Modification) to "Chirp (Scratch modification)", because S:CONVENTIONS says that words in brackets shouldn't be capitalized (except for proper names). I suppose it would be alright to do the same for the rest of the Scratch mod articles, and update the links? (Edit: Though I can't really see why the titles say that, since there is only one Chirp, Panther, Insanity, Bingo and so on.)

S:CONVENTIONS also states that words replacing characters that can't be used in titles shouldn't be capitalized. However, neither Backdrop Number (block), Costume Number (block), nor Item Number of () in () (block) follow this rule, and I think these titles would look a bit out of place if they did so.
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs) 08:04, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

A question about Scratch itself

How do you see when a project was first shared and when it was last modified?
 Dominic305  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:20, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

The only reliable way is the API: https://api.scratch.mit.edu/projects/<project-id>
Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,996edit 14:23, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

this custom sig thing is confusing me

ok, i made a custom sig, and i set it in preferences as the sig
however, for some reason it shows the entire text of the subpage
like ~~~~ produces

yaov / talk / contribs / scratch 23:31, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
but when editing it shows <br>[[File:YaovIcon.png|20px]] [[User:Yaov 1991|yaov]] / [[User talk:Yaov 1991|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Yaov_1991|contribs]] / {{plain link|https://scratch.mit.edu/users/yaov_1991|scratch}}
so yeah, i dont know
also, in the input box on preferences the code it shows is {{SUBST:User:Yaov_1991/Signature}}
i cant seem to find the problem
yaov / talk / contribs / scratch 23:31, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

First:You should make a page like that: User:Example/minisig And then, you should put signature like that:{{User:Example/Signature}}Finally,you should go to the Preferences and write new page to signature and tick to "Treat signature as wikitext".Now,you can use four tildas to signature.You should obey grammar rules.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 06:59, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

oh you know what, im not doing a custom sig since i dont use the wiki that much
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 11:10, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

This is the method you should be using for custom sigs, but since they're discouraged anyway I applaud your decision to stick with ScratchSig :)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:14, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Why are they discouraged?
banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,328)) 16:36, 26 May 2019 (UTC)