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Not done (this will never be done completely, so don't archive!)
Threads that need "long time and hard work" will not be archived, but moved to S:CPND.
Here's some things that we need your help for.
Are these done?
- S:CPND#Lack of curiosity at Scratch Wiki? - articles are made
- S:CPND#Should "Griffpatch" become a wiki article? - seems rejected
Other Topics
Topics that are not listed above.
About Scratch 3.0
- S:CPND#A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All
- S:CPND#3.0 updating
- S:CPND#What should we call the Scratch 3.0 player?
About Wiki Management
Backend
- S:CPND#Mobile Device Skin & Responsive Design for Scratch-Wikis ?
- S:CPND#Embedding of Scratch Projects
- S:CPND#Things We have to Do
Rules
Interwiki
- S:CPND#We need your help: Apply for getting "International Scratch Wiki Coach"
- S:CPND#Why is Interwiki not possible in the english community-portal?
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Done template when the thread is finally finished.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- (I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
New page for intro/outro
I think this is a big thing right know so should we have a main space article about intros/outros on one page or on two pages? Also will anyone help we write it?
asqwde talk | contribs 13:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hmmmm, are you talking about a intro/outro to a project?
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 20:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- Yes i am asqwde talk | contribs 16:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
- Not done
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 14:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
- It should be a single article called "Intros and Outros." "Intro" and "Outro" should redirect to it.
Millie S (talk|839 contribs|directory) 17:08, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- It should be a single article called "Intros and Outros." "Intro" and "Outro" should redirect to it.
- Yes i am
English Scratch Club
Not done
The Scratch club is a weekly meeting among a group of Scratchers which are contributing actively to the Scratch Wiki and to Scratch in general. The meetings are used to discuss important issues, most notable was the discussion if the transition of the english Wiki should take place. Currently, the weekly meetings are held in German, but we used to have an international Scratch club following after the German one. An alternative could be to make it alternating every week between German and English. As a start, who of the English and international Wiki administrators would be interested in it and able to join? And what would be better: weekly every Monday at 9:00 PM CET or bi-weekly at 8:00 PM? Once I get a tendency about the if and when, I will bring it up at the next German Scratch club, perhaps already next Monday. 
Frodewin (talk | contribs) 20:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- Aw man! I wish I was a admin. Well, I am pretty sure someone (Cough cough Kenny2scatch Cough Cough) NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 22:14, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- I would definitely like to join, but neither 8 or 9 PM CET work for me - I'm in Hong Kong, and 8PM CET is 3AM HKT... Best would be on weekends, since everyone's time is likely to be more flexible - on weekdays, we have work and school, but on weekends times that would normally be during work/school are usually ok. Would 2PM CET on Saturdays (or Sundays) be workable? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 02:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
Welcoming Committee or Scratch Welcoming Committee
Hello. I left this post on its talk but no one answered. Should it be scratch welcoming committee or welcoming committee here.
Reasons why welcoming committee
1. That is the name for the project submsissions studio
2. Name of private forum
Reasons why scratch welcoming committee
1. Often abbreviated as SWC not WC
2. Name of main studio
So what should it be? asqwde talk | contribs 14:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- I believe it should be "Welcoming Committee". Here's my rationale.
- For as long as the Wiki has existed, it has been about documentation of Scratch. Therefore, Scratch is its mainspace; all articles are related to Scratch in some way. Where Wikipedia's mainspace is literally everything, or the Meta-Wikipedia's mainspace is Wikipedia itself, the Scratch Wiki's mainspace is Scratch. Because of that, I think a "Scratch" in the title is redundant for all pages, except for cases like Scratch, (where omitting "Scratch" would cause an empty title) Scratch Team, (because "Scratch Team" is a proper name) or Scratch Wiki (because we're not just called "Wiki"). In my insistent opinion articles like Scratch Trends should just be called "Trends" (I'll be opening up a new topic about this), but I'm holding off on moving such articles until we have more consensus; meanwhile, "Welcoming Committee" is ideal, and should not be moved. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 01:14, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I do see what you are saying, Kenny2scratch, but then again, couldn't you argue that "Scratch Welcoming Committee!" is the name of the studio (kind of you like how you said "Scratch Wiki" is the name of this wiki)? However, I do see what you are saying.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 22:54, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- I do see what you are saying, Kenny2scratch, but then again, couldn't you argue that "Scratch Welcoming Committee!" is the name of the studio (kind of you like how you said "Scratch Wiki" is the name of this wiki)? However, I do see what you are saying.
A slight spinoff of an above topic: subpages for each Not done topic
Hi all,
I have a small idea that loosely ties in with an idea suggested above: instead of having all of the Not done topics be on one page, move each topic into a separate page. I think this would be beneficial for the Not Done page, since if a topic has stayed alive long enough to be moved to Not Done it's usually pretty long.
- Pros
- Organizes Not Done topics much better
- Decreases loading time
- Cons
- Requires more clicks
- Potentially harder to browse through
Thoughts? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
- Have you noticed how little activity appears in that page? Separating it into more subpages will further decrease activity... We might as well just scrap the not-done page altogether and just solely use the community portal.
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
- Nuh-uh! Scrapping the not done page would clog up the CP a LOT. I also seriously doubt that separating it into subpages would decrease activity: the same way that every CP archive has a TOC of other archives, each not done page could have a TOC of other not done pages, using this:
{{Special:PrefixIndex/Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done}}
- I've also just added a link to the not done page in the sidebar. Hopefully editors will notice that and use it :) kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 00:28, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keeping a TOC is a good idea, but if we separate all the pages, editors who don't rely on the TOC and scroll to see other discussions (like me..) will have a hard time, further decreasing the activity of discussions. The "requiring more clicks" issue is also an important one, IMHO.
- But if anything I don't think there will be much activity in any case. Maybe there isn't a surefire way to increase user input for any of those discussions and the Not Done page is turning into a dusty cabinet lost in the attic or something.. Not what we want.. I think we should just leave it as it is.
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:16, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- I've also just added a link to the not done page in the sidebar. Hopefully editors will notice that and use it :)
Not Done
Not done
I know someone already brought it up...
Anyways, Not Done is not getting any attention. I know that Kenny2scratch already added “Things To Do” on the left sidebar, and the TOC of Not Done, yet no one seems to notice it. I think that we should release an announcement to all existing editors about ND, and all incoming users about ND on their welcome page. In fact, I’m going to add that to my welcome right now.
Any thoughts? NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 23:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
- Nice idea, support! asqwde talk | contribs 12:06, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks! NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 15:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support, I think that is a great idea.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 20:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for support! NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 22:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for support!
- Support, I think that is a great idea.
- Thanks!
Perhaps make all of the Not Done topics have bold titles? That should attract attention to them for those who browse the TOC. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe what we could do is put the Not Done Topics in Red in the TOC of the CP, the done topics Green in the TOC of the CP, and the in progress discussions the blue color it currently is. NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 12:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with KrIsMa, Kenny2scratch, and NYCDOT on having some way to show which topics are done and which are not done, but how would we make topics show as a different color in the table of contents? bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:31, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- That...is a really good question. I have no idea. I really don't. NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 19:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- That...is a really good question. I have no idea. I really don't.
- I agree with KrIsMa, Kenny2scratch, and NYCDOT on having some way to show which topics are done and which are not done, but how would we make topics show as a different color in the table of contents?
Scratch News + Wiki News
Hello. As you know we have the scratch news. How about splitting that up into scratch news and wiki news featuring both on the front page.
- Benefits
- Easy to distinguish between any news in scratch and the wiki
- Will encourage more news ideas to be displayed
- Things to feature in scratch news
- New FPC
- New announcement in the announcement forum
- New changes to the website
- New SDS
- Things to feature in wiki news
- Compliment Tuesday
- Wiki Wednesday
- Important updates
- Important posts in CP
- Elections
Thoughts? asqwde talk | contribs 16:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think that is a good idea, it would be a good way to distinguish between different news, and I believe more relevant to different subjects. Any other thoughts? Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 07:31, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- (changed your strange diamonds to real bullets, the diamonds didn't act like real lists; also for some reason the colons after the mini-headers acted like indents so I changed it to nonindexed headers)
- I think that's a great idea! My only concern is that a new box on the homepage would clutter things up, so I think one of the boxes currently on there should be removed. I recommend removing Featured Images, since we always forget to update them - but what are your thoughts? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 09:19, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Ok thanks for changing it. I agree about removing featured images, support asqwde talk | contribs 11:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with asqwde, as you mentioned, you always forget to change them; and it is not as important as featured articles. Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 20:35, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
- Semi-Support! The front page greets all scrathers come to the wiki, and do not need to know about wiki news. So how about we put the wiki news somewere the editors will see it most often such as the Community Portal, so scratchers can see the scratch news w/out seeing the wiki news.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:53, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with Jakel181 in this case. Since the Scratch Wiki news would mainly be for Scratch Wiki editors, we could put it in the CP (as Jakel181 said). Since this is a wiki about Scratch, the Scratch news would stay on the front page.
- I agree with Jakel181 in this case. Since the Scratch Wiki news would mainly be for Scratch Wiki editors, we could put it in the CP (as Jakel181 said). Since this is a wiki about Scratch, the Scratch news would stay on the front page.
- Semi-Support! The front page greets all scrathers come to the wiki, and do not need to know about wiki news. So how about we put the wiki news somewere the editors will see it most often such as the Community Portal, so scratchers can see the scratch news w/out seeing the wiki news.
- I agree with asqwde, as you mentioned, you always forget to change them; and it is not as important as featured articles.
- Ok thanks for changing it. I agree about removing featured images, support
- On the other hand, I disagree with removing the "Featured Images" section. If we don't remember to change them, why delete the section? Why not just try very hard to remember to change them? We could change them every...two weeks? Month? But I think it'd be good to have an interval. Or do we already have an interval? I'm not sure. Either way, I think we should keep this section of the front page. We could do something similar to how Wiki Wednesday used to be done. Actually, Featured Images was done in this way a while ago. There are two sections in the 88th archive of the CP that are topics where people suggested featured images.
- However we'd do it, I hope everyone considers the option of keeping featured images. I think putting images on the front page is good. In most cases, images are good (in my opinion). In fact, images are recommended for Wiki Wednesday articles!
- Thanks for reading this. bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I think having Wiki news somewhere other than the front page is also a good idea. I'm not sure about having it on the CP, though, since it counts as a talk page and WM wouldn't like people adding news items with no signatures ;)
Instead, why not have it on the projectspace side of the CP, Scratch Wiki:Community Portal? Notice the lack of "talk" in that title. That would give the non-talk side of the CP some more purpose in life besides just documenting the CP. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:58, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- Bigpuppy, i agree with what you are saying. i also think it is not a good idea to have it on the CP. I agree with ken about having it on Scratch Wiki:Community Portal asqwde talk | contribs 11:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes that sounds good and I've been sugguesting the featured images to be changed mothly around every WW. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Kenny2scratch - I suppose having it on Scratch Wiki:Community Portal could be good. On the WikiMonitor thing, though: if it was a template (outside of talk) would WikiMonitor still count it as people not signing their posts? bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:51, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Kenny2scratch - I suppose having it on Scratch Wiki:Community Portal could be good. On the WikiMonitor thing, though: if it was a template (outside of talk) would WikiMonitor still count it as people not signing their posts?
- Yes that sounds good and I've been sugguesting the featured images to be changed mothly around every WW.
Let's change EW stuff moar
Okay, so let's combine my idea, and Ken's idea. The first part of the idea, Ken's idea. It's to completely obliterate the EW group altogether.
- It's no longer necessary.
- It was created as a placeholder for the inactive ST. We've transferred to Martin's server. All the other wikis, also hosted by Martin do not have this role. From the Scratch Team's perspective (ST = Martin), EW = Admin and Admin = Bureaucrat.
The second part of the idea, my idea. To use the same way for elections.
- Admins are elected, as opposed to EWs
- Bureaucrats are appointed, as opposed to admins.
Thoughts? 
banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (1,996)) 20:46, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don’t agree with the first bit. EW is a way to gain trust in users and is useful for that reason. In my opinion, the EW role should be kept.
нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlк║cσηтяιвs║ρяσғιlε) 20:51, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- But no other wiki has it. The ST added that to make up for their inactivity. banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (1,996)) 20:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't agree with it either, I think it is important to have something in the middle. I personally think it is fine the way it is. Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 21:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- That's actually incorrect. Back in June 2013, when the Scratch 2.0 account request system was first being implemented, scmb1 created the role so that we'd have people to be able to handle the account requests we were about to get.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:10, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- Really? Well that also adds to my point. Also, on wikis I have been on, they most likely would have a role like EW, even if not called it (Most likely called a Moderator), to me, I have always thought that "EW" was just like a moderator role on any other wiki. (Pointing at "But no other wiki has it.") Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 21:26, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- Really? Well that also adds to my point. Also, on wikis I have been on, they most likely would have a role like EW, even if not called it (Most likely called a Moderator), to me, I have always thought that "EW" was just like a moderator role on any other wiki. (Pointing at "But no other wiki has it.")
- That's actually incorrect. Back in June 2013, when the Scratch 2.0 account request system was first being implemented, scmb1 created the role so that we'd have people to be able to handle the account requests we were about to get.
- I don't agree with it either, I think it is important to have something in the middle. I personally think it is fine the way it is.
- But no other wiki has it. The ST added that to make up for their inactivity.
These changes were going to be part of the plan, but Ken didn't implement them. I don't like to intervene in a discussion where I am may seem biased (i.e. I support this change in order to gain a "promotion"), but there seems to be some misinformation about what exactly EWs are (go look at the roles & rights lists please). There are certainly some role differences between EWs and Administrators, but these actually have to do more with moderation (i.e. EWs cannot "undelete a page" or revise edit logs). It is my understanding that anyone with FTP access (and therefore handling the technical aspects of the wiki) is a Bureaucrat. So the differences are not substantial and actually have more to do with "moderation" than anything else. I don't really like to call it that since we don't really do that much "moderating", its mostly what I would term "maintence" of the wiki community. 
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:54, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'd consider this topic a duplicate of mine, by the way, but I'll consider that one inactive to the point of doneness.
- I'm also not so sure about removing EW anymore. Recently MTBH and I were deciding who would be the new ruwiki admins. One of the admins I'm not so sure is fit for the tools - they are definitely fit for the position, but I'm not sure whether they can figure out how the admin tools work quickly enough; I'd much rather give them EW if it existed on the ruwiki.
- On this wiki, the original purpose for EWs is now basically moot. We now have our own bureaucrats; the CA extension was originally designed to have requests confirmed by bureaucrats. So we no longer need EWs explicitly for confirming account requests.
- However, EW is also a nice in-between normal user and admin - i.e., we trust this user enough to give them permissions like deleting and patrolling pages, rollbacking edits, moving files, and applying arbitrary tags, but we don't trust them enough to give them permissions like protecting pages, deleting revision history or log entries, editing other people's CSS/JS, editing the user interface (i.e. editing pages in the MediaWiki: namespace), importing pages, moving root userpages or category pages, and having higher API limits. (This list was made with heavy reference to Special:ListGroupRights.)
- I don't really support removing EW anymore. I do think that we should promote some of our current EWs to admin (especially long-standing ones like Hamish or Galla), but EWs are here to stay. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 00:19, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
- Then maybe we could turn EW into admin, and then carry the highly administrative things (protecting, etc) up to bureaucrat. banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (1,996)) 08:16, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think the discussion before was on the second-last paragraph in S:EW. By having the duty of "maintaining the wiki" surely them being able to do "simple tasks" like 'updating the news' should also include 'deleting pages' (btw even more simple than updating news). Deleting pages isn't a hard thing to do or learn, so is protecting of pages. You just need a strong support system with them (through chat... user pages...) to get them along the first few days of them being EW.
- I support better allocation of rights for EW but not the deletion of the EW role.
- KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:39, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- I don't support the deletion of the EW role.
- As already stated before, the EW role is a transition period between Wikian and Sysop, and is useful because it allows people to learn the do's and don't's (yes double apostrophes exist now) of Administrator privileges. EW also allows Bureaucrats and Administrators to figure out which users are the most helpful and useful to the community, so as to prove they can be trusted with higher privileges.
Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 20:17, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- (just noting: you say that no other mtwoll-hosted wikis have the EW, but that's incorrect - the dewiki also has EW.) kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 04:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
- (just noting: you say that no other mtwoll-hosted wikis have the EW, but that's incorrect - the dewiki also has EW.)
- Then maybe we could turn EW into admin, and then carry the highly administrative things (protecting, etc) up to bureaucrat.
Forum Topics
Hi guys! I have a question about the forum topics. Should we change the dates of when it first opened to the dates of the first topic? Or is that already done? Also, should we include the first forum topic of each forum? NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 21:55, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree, but even if I did, how do you intend to find the first created thread in a subforum, given that they will get bumped around a bit?
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 00:12, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- I wasn't saying that we must add it. It was just a thought. NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 00:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Huh? What are you talking about? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 02:55, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- I'd appreciate it if you would take time to read what I wrote on top
What I am trying to say is that for the forum pages, should we add the exact dates of the official opening, if we know it? And should we include the first forum topic of each forum? NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 13:01, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- If I hadn't read what you said, I wouldn't have replied. I said "what are you talking about" because I didn't understand what you wrote on top.
- I think the exact date created is too easy to get wrong and too hard to get write to merit inclusion in forum pages. The forum could have been open for days before anybody noticed it. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 13:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, that is true that the exact date is very hard to get, even harder that the original guys (Lucario, JSO, Veggieman001, etc.) are gone. Do we think we could get the month from a ST member? And maybe even the first topic? NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 13:06, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, that is true that the exact date is very hard to get, even harder that the original guys (Lucario, JSO, Veggieman001, etc.) are gone. Do we think we could get the month from a ST member? And maybe even the first topic?
- I'd appreciate it if you would take time to read what I wrote on top
- Huh? What are you talking about?
- I wasn't saying that we must add it. It was just a thought.
Wiki Server not available?
Hi everyone! Recently I've been getting errors when trying to access the Scratch Wikis (any, really). It will tell me that the page was not found or not available and when I try a few minutes later, it will work again. Does someone else encounter this problem? Else I'll see if this is a problem with my router (since it occured on different computers at home). - 
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 07:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- We all get resource limit reached. banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (1,996)) 07:44, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- It seems to be a combination of rate limiting by the server provider for the server itself, as well as rate limiting by the server for its users; the rates are set low, so there are HTTP errors. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:51, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- I got rate limiting three times: using HotCat too quickly. I couldn't even see this wiki for a whole day.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 07:54, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- I've never seen this problem, but sometimes links open in new windows.
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account | More... 16:10, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
- Links opening in new windows has nothing to do with server problems; it just means either you're holding Ctrl while clicking them or the links are meant to be opened in a new window. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 12:35, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Crazy @Ken Or middle clicking a link. banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (1,996)) 18:00, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Crazy @Ken Or middle clicking a link.
- Links opening in new windows has nothing to do with server problems; it just means either you're holding Ctrl while clicking them or the links are meant to be opened in a new window.
- I've never seen this problem, but sometimes links open in new windows.
- I got rate limiting three times: using HotCat too quickly. I couldn't even see this wiki for a whole day.
- It seems to be a combination of rate limiting by the server provider for the server itself, as well as rate limiting by the server for its users; the rates are set low, so there are HTTP errors.
I'm on a laptop so I don't middle-click. CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account | More... 16:45, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- I never experience this issue. Millie S (talk|839 contribs|directory) 21:56, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Millie, FYI there's a reason we have the {{outdent}} template (therefore I edited your indentation) ;) kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 21:58, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Millie, FYI there's a reason we have the {{outdent}} template (therefore I edited your indentation) ;)
An Idea For Blocks (disambiguation)
Done
Recently, I created a new disambiguation page at Blocks (disambiguation). My idea is to change Block and Blocks to redirect to the disambig, and the block article to Blocks (programing feature).
Pros
- Easier to find the other pages
- Matches the other disambigs: first it all redirects to the disambig, then diverts to different pages
Cons
- It takes longer to get to the main blocks article
Should we do this? CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account | More... 18:30, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
- No! You missed one huge con: it would break many links and likely require an edit storm. Blocks is also the sixth most-viewed page on the wiki[1] so it would confuse many people who are looking for it. No, definitely no support.
- kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 21:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Translating Japanese articles into English
Hello! I'm an admin in Japanese Scratch Wiki. In that wiki, we have some articles that English Wiki doesn't have. (Of course, some can't be, due to the strict S:NOSP!)
- ja:音量を使ってScratchを制御する (Control Scratch via Loudness Block)
- ja:Some Blocks (An early extension of Scratch 3.0, which is removed later.)
- ja:画像のホスト/cubeupload.com (How to Use Cubeupload.com)
- ja:商標の方針 (Trademark Policy)
Please discuss whether they are useful. Thank you! Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 22:54, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- Cool articles! I definitely think we should add the "Some Blocks" one; since it was a Scratch 3.0 extension just like the pen extension or the music extension, it's just that it was removed.
- I think the cubeupload one might work well on the Wiki - or at least as a section in Image Hosting.
- I think we could possibly add the Trademark Policy one - after all, we have articles for the Privacy Policy, Terms of Use, and Community Guidelines.
- Could you please explain the first one a bit more? Thank you.
- Anyway, thanks for pointing these out - in my opinion most, if not all of them, could be good articles on the English Scratch Wiki as well as the Japanese one! bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:16, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Compliment Wednesday! July 18th 2018
Welcome to the First Compliment Wednesday! July 18th 2018.
First I apolgize for not getting th CT on time this week. I had some family vistors come over and that took the whole day up.
What is Compliment Tuesday?
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!
How to Compliment
We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday
Compliments
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
| User | Compliments |
|---|---|
| NYCDOT (talk | contribs) | |
| DragonLover379 (talk | contribs) | |
| Hellodude1231 (talk | contribs) |
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| Bigpuppy (talk | contribs) |
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| “ | There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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The next CT is July 24th 2018! See you then!
Scratch Wiki as Reference
I saw some pages use SW as references. Is it OK? Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 22:14, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Which articles specifically? I think it much depends on what the article is and which article it's referring to. In any case, though, it's better to link to a specific revision (but use Special:Redirect/revision and not an external link to an internal page). kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:05, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
New Wiki Wednesday Sections
I added a Scratch Wiki "News" section in the last write - up. Does anyone have other ideas for ways in which we could promote the Wiki or sections which we could add (in addition to article of the month and news?) Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Featured Images
Howdy, y'all! It's been a month since the day Kenny2scratch updated the Featured Images to the pen extension, custom block definition, and scissors images. As much as these images deserve to be featured, well, they've been there for a month since those images were put on there.
So, does anyone have any suggestions for new images we could feature? Thank you for your continued dedication to the wiki! bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:42, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 18:01, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
asqwde talk | contribs 07:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Great suggestions, both of you! I added the micro:bit one, the Scratch 3.0 icon one (the cat with three eyes), and the Make It Fly Tips Page one. Please tell me if you disagree with my choices, or if you'd like the descriptions I wrote to be changed at all. Thanks again! This is now Done (unless you do want anything to be changed). bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:02, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Great suggestions, both of you! I added the micro:bit one, the Scratch 3.0 icon one (the cat with three eyes), and the Make It Fly Tips Page one.
Launch: New User Recommendations! Participate now!
I am proud to announce the launch of the new user recommendations system. Regular Wikians will be allowed to nominate their friends for invitations to join our community (via the standard application process of course). I invite everyone to participate after reading the instructions at the recommendations page: Scratch Wiki:New User Recommendations. Administrators should read the guide which is attached. . I hope that this program will be a success and allow our community to grow.
P.S. If three of your nominee's receive invitations, you will received the special friend template on your userpage.
Suggest today! :) Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:29, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Note: edited link after move, if this is an official thing it goes in an official namespace kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 10:19, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Cool. Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I just made a suggestion & so can you! Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 13:00, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I just made a suggestion & so can you!
- Cool.
Editing Userpages
I can not edit a Userpage after I make one. Can Someone Help? 
Whatsfordinner77 (talk | contribs) 00:46, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Can you provide us some links to look at? Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:04, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
New user group below EW
Hello, i am proposing a new user group below EW but above wikian. These users will have slightly more rights than Wikians bot not all EW rights.
This user group will be appointed by Sysops and bureaucrats whenever necessary.
Rights:
- Move files
- Delete files
- Patrol edits
- Quickly rollback the edits of the last user who edited a particular page
However, these users will not have these rights:
- Have one's own edits automatically marked as patrolled
- Apply tags along with one's changes
- Add and remove arbitrary tags on individual revisions and log entries
- Delete pages
- Edit pages marked as bot-protected
- Edit pages protected for Experienced Wikians and above
- View user credentials
- View the queue with requested accounts
Benefits:
- Gains trust in users by slowly giving them more rights
- Users can gain more experience with some admin tools before being given more rights
- When deciding candidates for elections admins can see how the users have been doing for the rights already given
Name:
I am thinking of trusted wikian for the name of this usergroup as they are trusted therefore they have slightly more rights than normal users.
Requirements:
You can not nominate yourself to be a member of this usergrouup, but you need to be a wikian.
Thoughts? asqwde talk | contribs 12:30, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- The reasoning behind this modification would be that the administrators would see who they could promote- which is kind of the point of having the Experienced Wikian role (I've heard people refer to it as a trial-admin role, but it can also be a permanent role as it is for me). I'm not sure I support having another role like this, and believe that users can show themselves to be capable in a future election by creating quality edits and being helpful to all in the community. As an aside, regular users can already "move" files.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:40, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- I agree. Millie S (talk|839 contribs|directory) 15:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- EW already serves this purpose. Just no. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 15:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- EW already serves this purpose. Just no.
- I agree.
__INDEX__
How quickly do pages with __INDEX__ get indexed? Millie S (talk|839 contribs|directory) 19:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Immediately, but it doesn't matter because all pages are indexed anyway, so that behavior switch has no effect. Only NOINDEX actually does things. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 19:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Variable Template
I am reviving a discussion from early 2014. I think the idea of a template for displaying a Block Plugin variable would be very convenient, especially for people who don't know scratchblocks very well. Millie S (talk|839 contribs|directory) 01:08, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- (no) So like {{#tag:sb|(var)}}? Is it really useful? Block plugins make pages heavier. Consider making things like {{key press}}. Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 04:53, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Blob8108 rightfully pointed out in that discussion that you can just use inline scratchblocks; if you don't know how to use them, learn. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:51, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Blob8108 rightfully pointed out in that discussion that you can just use inline scratchblocks; if you don't know how to use them, learn.
Compliment Tuesday! July 31st 2018
Welcome to the 7th Compliment Tuesday! July 31st 2018.
What is Compliment Tuesday?
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!
How to Compliment
We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday
Compliments
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
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| “ | There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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The next CT is August 8th 2018! See you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:53, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Template:Updating timestamp
On lots of Help and Scratch Wiki pages, users have put{{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC) to make a timestamp that updates with the time. Should we make this a template at Template:Updating timestamp?
- Pros
- Shorter to make an updating timestamp
- Less confusing for newer editors that need an updating timestamp
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account | More... 17:05, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm... It is not that much shorter to make a time stamp and they do update: 01:37 also when you are new making a template or using special formatting is hard at first. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 18:58, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- For me, it is not difficult at all making this template or any template at all. CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account | More... 01:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nah, no need - if you have a need for it you'd look up the magic words before looking for a template anyway. There's also too much dynamicity as to how a timestamp might be shown.
- Besides, we have this:
- For me, it is not difficult at all making this template or any template at all.
{{#time:H:i:s d/m/Y}}
- Which produces:
- 01:37:29 18/08/2018 kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 11:37, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Check Users
What is the usergroup "Check user"? CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account | More... 17:39, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- They can check their IP Address. But currently, bureaucrats do their work. Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 00:14, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
- It's a usergroup that comes with the CheckUser extension that we installed about a week ago. Since bureaucrats have the same permissions as that usergroup, the group remains empty. I've now removed the group entirely (just a quick hack in the extension code). kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 11:40, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
News Entry
- August 1, 2018 — Scratch 3.0 beta released
- The Scratch Team has released the beta of Scratch 3.0. It can be viewed at beta.scratch.mit.edu and the final version is due to release on January 2nd asqwde talk | contribs 10:54, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
Doing..., with some edits. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 10:42, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 10:48, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- August 2, 2018 - Scratch Wiki 3.0 is released (yep we just skipped over 2.0) Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 20:32, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- August 2, 2018 - Scratch Wiki 3.0 is released (yep we just skipped over 2.0)
Uploading ScratchBlocks files
I can't upload .sb2 or .sb3 files, even though I can upload the original .sb files. There's also the issue where I can't ignore the 'empty file' warning when uploading an 'sb2' file.
1a3c5e7g9i(Talk|Contributions) 22:15, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- An .sb .sb2 or .sb3 is a scratch project file. If you want to use scratch block like this:
When GF clicked
then you use it as if you were using in the scratch fourms. You can also us this to help you make them as well: https://scratchblocks.github.io/ Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 16:49, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I want users to download a project, not to painstakingly copy it block by block. The sb3 I'm uploading has some blocks you can't easily duplicate with ScratchBlocks. 1a3c5e7g9i(Talk|Contributions) 02:19, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- It's much better, usually, to painstakingly copy it block by block, however. Downloading someone else's files and modifying them doesn't teach you as much as re-making the script yourself and attempting to understand it as you do so. A 3.0 scratchblocks is coming, and once it's out we'll use it. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 12:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- So if my project has 147 unique, lengthy scripts and utilizes sprites, it's more beneficial to duplicate it manually, right? 1a3c5e7g9i(Talk|Contributions) 23:59, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- So if my project has 147 unique, lengthy scripts and utilizes sprites, it's more beneficial to duplicate it manually, right?
- It's much better, usually, to painstakingly copy it block by block, however. Downloading someone else's files and modifying them doesn't teach you as much as re-making the script yourself and attempting to understand it as you do so. A 3.0 scratchblocks is coming, and once it's out we'll use it.
- I want users to download a project, not to painstakingly copy it block by block. The sb3 I'm uploading has some blocks you can't easily duplicate with ScratchBlocks.
Should The Scratch 3.0 Forum be an article?
Should scratch 3.0 forum be an article? https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/57/
I was going to make one, but I wasn't sure if it should be. What do you think? Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 18:25, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, it should. We document all forums. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 19:20, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
An Interval for Featured Images
Howdy! In this section of the CP, I suggested having an "interval" (the word I used) for updating the Featured Images section on the front page. Does anyone have any suggestions for what this could be? Should we update it every month, or have it be more often than that? Thanks for your input. bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:13, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe one or two weeks. Millie S (talk|839 contribs|directory) 00:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- That sounds good to me as well - not too short, but not too long. bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:18, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone's going to be able to get around to updating them every two weeks; how about a month? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 12:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone's going to be able to get around to updating them every two weeks; how about a month?
- That sounds good to me as well - not too short, but not too long.
How do you make a Welcome Page?
I have see that lots of people have specific Welcome Pages, but I'm not sure how to make one myself. Can anyone help me? 
16cmack (talk | contribs) 14:54, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well, for starters, you can look at any of our welcome templates (each word is a different link), and click the pencil icon then "edit" to see the source code. Try to learn a bit about how HTML and CSS work, as well, since the Wiki uses a lot of those features. If you still don't get it, go ahead and reply here. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 15:02, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions
It's as it says on the tin.
As part of this new revival of featured images (and leading on from #An Interval for Featured Images, I propose that we create a page similar in concept to S:WWS, where users leave new section saying which image they think deserve to be featured. This will clean up the CP (just slightly). At around the same time as Wiki Wednesday, the EWs/Bureaucrats review the suggestions and pick three images which will then to onto S:FI. If necessary, we could also edit the current Wiki Wednesday suggestion forum post to incorporate Featured Images too.
What do you think? Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 15:24, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- This is a great idea! +1! bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:23, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes! Millie S (talk|839 contribs|directory) 18:12, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you! Any bits that need improving? Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 18:26, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think the featured images are too minor to have a dedicated projectspace page. I propose instead to have a miscellaneous "homepage tasks" page (or something like that) where you can suggest news items, featured images, and edits to other things that appear on the homepage. Does that sound better? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 19:51, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think the featured images are too minor to have a dedicated projectspace page. I propose instead to have a miscellaneous "homepage tasks" page (or something like that) where you can suggest news items, featured images, and edits to other things that appear on the homepage. Does that sound better?
- Thank you! Any bits that need improving?
- Yes!
@Ken won't a homepage tasks page just get cluttered up? If they had to filter through edits and news items to find featured images, wouldn't it be harder for the admins? Also, having a dedicated project space is better because it's a) more obvious to Wiki Editors what the page is for, and seems less boring and gruelling than "homepage tasks", which sounds like just a big long list of stuff to do. And b) it would be easier for editors to suggest, because having a clearer Featured Image Suggestions would be more obvious to others what has already been suggested and what hasn't, et cetera. And c) having a dedicated page would make it so much easier to implement into the current WW forum post. Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 08:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- We could have Scratch Wiki:Homepage Tasks and have there be a section for featured images, news things, and any other sections that may be needed. Then it wouldn't be as messy (if there were sections). Then we could make a shortcut called S:FEATUREDIMAGESUGGESTIONS (although that's a pretty long "shortcut") and have it redirect to Scratch Wiki:Homepage Tasks#Featured Image Suggestions. Or we could have Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions redirect to Scratch Wiki:Homepage Tasks#Featured Image Suggestions. bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:32, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
New Template
We should have a template that inserts <span style="clear:both;"/>. If it's created, what should it be called? Millie S (talk|839 contribs|directory) 01:44, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- {{clear}}. Jawiki has it. Enwiki did but deleted Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 05:04, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- I recreated it under the new name {{----}} a few months ago. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:56, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I recreated it under the new name {{----}} a few months ago.
Relax S:NOSP even more
Okay, so the English wiki is obviously by far the most restrictive wiki out of the nine. Especially strict is our rule against user-generated content, S:NOSP. That rule was recently relaxed, to the point where as long as there is at least one Scratch Team member involved, it is allowed.
I feel like we could write so many more articles and have so much more activity, however, if the rule was relaxed further. I propose a relaxation of the rules to the following points:
- All of the following are still prohibited:
- All Scratch-prohibited things, including userscripts, iO, and the like
- Particular projects
- Certain forum topics or posts
- Specific studios
- Individual users
- Advertising gets kind but firm warnings, three warnings is vandalism, twice vandalism is a block.
- All user-generated content articles must have a template denoting them as such.
That means no Paper Minecraft, no Sigton's Shop, no Scratch OS Studio, no Griffpatch; articles about anything else should be allowed by default.
For a quick rule of thumb about what crosses the line under this system, basically specific things are prohibited but collections of them are okay. (Things like studios as collections of projects and forum topics being collections of posts notwithstanding.)
If you think these rules are too relaxed for mainspace articles, I have an alternate proposal. A separate namespace for articles about user-generated content, subject to the following rules:
- All Scratch-prohibited things remain prohibited (follow CGs, people!).
- Everything else is a go.
- Advertising will be treated almost as severely as vandalism, thrice advertising is a block.
- The entire namespace is treated as non-content pages (i.e. it's not indexed by default and isn't counted in the
{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}(1,165)) [this rule is open for debate].
The namespace name would be something relevant, e.g. "User Content:" or "UG:" or something.
Which idea would you prefer? What are your thoughts? kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 22:09, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- How will this actually help the Wiki? I feel that you're trying to relax these rules for the sake of having them. What kind of user will go onto the Scratch Wiki and read about a user? How many Scratchers will actually be interested about reading about the development stages of Paper Minecraft? None. I also don't understand what you mean about your warning system. What is the difference between advertising and user-generated content? The line is very, very fuzzy between them. If you're going to give out warnings, at least be specific about what will get you a warning, and what is allowed. Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 08:53, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- As one wiki's admin, here's some examples that are not allowed here but allowed on jawiki.
- List of Featured Projects by Japanese
- Scratch Day Article in Each Year
- Japanese Forum's Topics
- 0%control, 0%if
- CoderDojo
- Snipetch - would be allowed before the new mod rule
- Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 13:25, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Drunken_Sailor - I think it was that things like Paper Minecraft wouldn't be allowed. bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:37, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Bigpuppy But in the second proposal, it states: "Everything else is a go". Meaning projects such as Paper Minecraft will be allowed. There is no line at all between what is advertising and what is allowed. Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 20:58, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Apple502j CoderDojo would be allowed as far as i know. asqwde talk | contribs 05:54, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Bigpuppy But in the second proposal, it states: "Everything else is a go". Meaning projects such as Paper Minecraft will be allowed. There is no line at all between what is advertising and what is allowed.
- Drunken_Sailor - I think it was that things like Paper Minecraft wouldn't be allowed.
- @D_S I said how it would help the wiki at the start of the second paragraph: it would increase activity and allow us to write many more articles.
- "Relax[ing] these rules for the sake of having them"? That doesn't even make sense - relaxing rules means not having them as strict.
- Users and things like Paper Minecraft would only be allowed in a dedicated non-content namespace anyway, so you're exactly right there; it's just that pages like those are meant to be linked to, rather than searched for (e.g. someone could document Paper Minecraft and then griffpatch might link to the page from his project).
- It's not a warning system, it's just an expansion to the current one. Our current policy is that we warn users once for vandalism, and the second time we block. In my first system, advertising in a usergen article three times would count as vandalism. In my second system, advertisement in an article in the usergen namespace would immediately count as vandalism (or almost vandalism, since you get three chances not two).
- I know that there is a fine line between advertisement and user-generated content; that's why I ask that policing of advertisement in usergen articles be more strict than normal, tending more towards false positives than missed cases (in layman's terms, catching advertising when it isn't actually advertising more than missing things that actually are advertising).
- @jvvg Here are some things that would be allowed under the first system:
- As one wiki's admin, here's some examples that are not allowed here but allowed on jawiki.
- Shop Federation as its own article
- "The Shop Federation", also as its own article (it is a collection of shop forum topics, and not any specific shop, therefore it is allowed)
- And some things that would not be allowed:
- Paper Minecraft
- Griffpatch
- Here are some things that would be allowed under the second system ("usergen" is the name of the namespace, feel free to debate on this namespace name):
- Usergen:Paper Minecraft
- Usergen:Griffpatch
- Here are some things that would not be allowed:
- Usergen:Discord
- Usergen:isOnline
- I hope I've cleared up that my "warning system" is merely an expansion to our current system, and explained what exactly would be allowed or not. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 06:50, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, I misworded my first bit. I meant that I feel that we're trying to relax these rules for the sake of relaxing them. What good does having articles about user generated content do? If griffpatch wanted to tell his followers about Paper Minecraft, he'd do so in the project notes, not in some Wiki article that he can't even edit anyway. The whole thing still seems a bit pointless.
- Just saying "I know that there is a fine line between advertisement and user-generated content" doesn't actually specify where that line is. It's like saying that my house is next to my neighbour's house: It doesn't specify anything. For example, if Usergen:Paper Minecraft and Usergen:Griffpatch are allowed, then could I create Usergen:Drunken Sailor? Or maybe, if it suits you better, Usergen:Late in Space or Usergen:Soulless 0? What classes as advertising, and what does not?
- Aside from this, I still fail to see the point and use of doing this. It would "increase activity and allow us to write many more articles", would it? If we wanted activity, we could just enforce a mandatory mainspace edit every day. All in all, this just seems like an attempt to boost... certain users' editcount. Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 08:21, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- Have you considered that griffpatch would want to get an account for the sake of documenting his projects?
- I know it doesn't specify where the line is, but you need to understand the fact that nobody knows where the line is. Can you truly say where the line is between advertising your project in another project's comments, and simply describing its purpose without encouraging them to check it out? In the first system, projects, users and so on are still disallowed, and what is allowed is likely impossible to link to. In the second system, it doesn't make sense to not link to the particular thing it's documenting, so you can't draw the line there, but where you can draw the line is between documentation and promotion.
- Documentation means description. Explaining how the project works, listing different features; documenting the user's past actions, clarifying misconceptions about their personality.
- Promotion means prescription. Recommending that the reader visit the project page, even give it a love or favorite; stating opinions about the user's quality of work, suggesting that the reader drop them a follow.
- The line between documentation and promotion is one we already draw in mainspace articles: if there is an opinion, it is advertisement and must be removed. If there is merely an explanation, it can stay.
- Under the second system, you could totally create Usergen:Drunken Sailor - you just could only document yourself, not advertise. I could just as easily create Usergen:Late in Space or Usergen:Soulless 0 (though why would I, ew), but again they would only be for documenting how the projects work, not stating opinions about their quality.
- And yes, it would allow us to write many more articles! And no, we could not enforce a mandatory mainspace edit every day; what would the punishment be? how would we make up for the users scared away by the requirement of activity every day? And who are you accusing of having their edit count boosted? I certainly wouldn't be editing usergen pages, I have too many months of prejudice behind me. This would simply present more opportunity for articles to be created and edited, therefore increasing the general amount of activity. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- I have been a proponent of relaxing S:NOSP for a while but not in the way proposed here. My ideas concerned the documentation of articles supported by the Scratch Team. Our first S:NOSP revision accomplished this already. Therefore I'm going to have to vote against this measure. I felt that it was appropriate to write articles about certain stickies such as The Shop Directory, while including others in the actual forum page descriptions specifically. These are all reviewed by Scratch Team members and through their sticky status recomended to the community. The "shop federation" (an idea cooked up by CrazyGoldFish3 and myself incidentally) can be mentioned in the one line description of "types of shops" (nothing against documententing the existence of that type of organization). While I would love to celebrate CrazyGoldFish3's work on the first Shop Federation (*cough cough* Chief Justice in the house), I'm not sure that it was really sponsored by the "Scratch Team". When it comes to making these determinations, people will also want to document the current establishments (maybe SPA in terms of Shop Federations; I haven't really checked in a while) which they are a part of instead of the historical predecessors. I'm not going to claim full credit for the "shop federation" idea, but I will say that it had its roots in a program at "MakeTheBrainHappy's Shop" (still like the 2nd largest shop ever & was the largest ever) called "Sub-Shops" where people would partner up and we would provide collective support to one another. Since this program (& many others) existed, does that validate my shop getting its own article. One could argue that it had as great or even greater an impact that the Shop Federation idea.
- I honestly believe that the line between allowed and "not-allowed" is blurred in this case and would be in many others that we would consider. But if you were to grant an article to my shop, you would also have to grant one to Sigton's Shop (even though I was voted in as the 3rd Co-Owner I still have no idea what ever happenend there...) since it ended up being larger.
- Now to your UG section. First read this: Conflict of interest. People usually assume the size of someone's page corresponds with their importance (i.e. a president has a larger wikipedia page than a local town official). If people are writing their own pages and don't need to provide any disclaimer about it, then they can really make their pages large & thereby inflate their own importance. I believe that the Userspace is the best place to put your own content about whatever. People should realize that you can use the userspace to write articles about whatever you wish and write your entire biography.
- I vote against the idea; and will not reconsider until major revisions are made on the scope and definition of these concepts. Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 13:24, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- For reasons stated by MTBH, as well as my reasons stated above, I'm also going to have to vote against the idea. Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 17:56, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- For reasons stated by MTBH, as well as my reasons stated above, I'm also going to have to vote against the idea.
- I hope I've cleared up that my "warning system" is merely an expansion to our current system, and explained what exactly would be allowed or not.
Disambiguation pages in capital order?
Hi, to make all the disambiguation pages look more organized and easy to navigate should we capitalize all the items in the list and make them go in alphabetical order? asqwde talk | contribs 07:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- The items in the list should be links to titles, so the capitalization guideline is already set. Alphabetical order isn't really necessary I think, so don't make dedicated edits for it. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Why is see also allowed to be alphabetised them? asqwde talk | contribs 06:00, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Disambig pages are also allowed to be alphabetized; so are See Also sections. I don't believe that it's a good idea to make dedicated edits for alphabetizing See Also sections either though, that's also the kind of thing that should come with other edits. Typography (i.e. grammar/spelling) is the most minor kind of edit that can be done standalone (though you should improve as much as you can per edit!). kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 06:10, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Disambig pages are also allowed to be alphabetized; so are See Also sections. I don't believe that it's a good idea to make dedicated edits for alphabetizing See Also sections either though, that's also the kind of thing that should come with other edits. Typography (i.e. grammar/spelling) is the most minor kind of edit that can be done standalone (though you should improve as much as you can per edit!).
- Why is see also allowed to be alphabetised them?
Server Capacity
About two weeks ago, I could not access scratch-wiki.info for 24 hours. My internet connection was fine; the website just took too long to respond.
Today, when trying to view /Archive 66, I got a 503 Service Unavailable error. I reloaded the page and it worked. However, page load times are still a bit long. Occasionally, after about 50 page loads, the page load times start to get really long, up to ten seconds.
Does MartinWollenweber's server have enough capacity? CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account | More... 16:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think yes :-), but keep watching, if there are such kind of problems more often, I have to talk to our provider. It could help to create a list of such ocurannces to analyse it better.
MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 22:02, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Logging server faults
Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
| Time | Errors | Details/Comments |
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| Yesterday | 400 Bad Request 503 Service Unavailable |
I was editing User:Kenny2scratch/common.js, and when I clicked "save page" I hit a "400 Bad Request" error. I pressed the browser "back" button (thanks Chrome for caching form data), and clicked "save page" again, and I encountered "503 Service Unavailable". I went back again, resubmitted, and the edit went through. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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Interwiki Links to Test Wikis ?
At de: we have a lot of more interwiki-links because we also connected to the test-wikis. I think this could help to attract more authors of that languages to help. What do you think? Could that also be an idea for en: and the other Scratch-Wikis?
See (if you got the rights to access that pages):
MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 22:02, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think that is a great idea! It would show that they are many other wikis to edit. Also I think that we could have at bottom of the interwiki menu we could have a link that says Start a wiki in your own langue or something simlar to it that, when clicked it would lead to [Page Here]. What do you think? Also I do have rights to view the pages (de:Spezial:Interwikitabelle,Special:Interwiki) with-out being logged into my wiki accounts. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 01:18, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes!! This would be a great way to grow the test wikis, as you mentioned. bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, Absolutely! Though that would give InterwikiBot a lot more work to do, I think it's for the best (and who minds a bot edit or two, eh? ). I'll set the interwikis now.
- @Jakel181: anyone can view the page, but only bureaucrats can edit it, FYI. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 04:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Just FYI I fixed your Slovenian link - Slovenian is sl not sk, which is Slovak. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 06:45, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Ken! :-) MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 07:31, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I support the suggestion even though it has already been implemented. Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 11:09, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I support the suggestion even though it has already been implemented.
Just Uploaded Photo...
Hi! So I just uploaded a photo to the "Remix" article, but it doesn't show up for me. I don't know if any of y'all can see the photo, but please tell me if you can! I'm new at this, so I'm not sure about everything yet.
Purple_Ember (talk | contribs) 22:22, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- You will see your upload here if it worked:
- As there is no entry with your name you did no upload. Perhaps something went wrong? Best read Help:Managing Files and try again, MartinWollenweber Talk Contribs Directory 22:31, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Compliment Tuesday! August 7th 2018
Welcome to the 8th Compliment Tuesday! August 7th 2018.
What is Compliment Tuesday?
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!
How to Compliment
We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday
Compliments
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
| User | Compliments |
|---|---|
| kenny2scratch (talk | contribs) |
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| bigpuppy (talk | contribs) | |
| ErnieParke (talk | contribs) | |
| jvvg (talk | contribs) | |
| CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs) | |
| Millie_S (talk | contribs) | |
| jakel181 (talk | contribs) | |
| makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) | |
| Asqwde (talk | contribs) | |
| MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) |
| “ | There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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The next CT is August 14th 2018! See you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 01:34, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Uploading Problems
I've changed my logo, and I've tried to upload it 3 times, but it isn't showing up in the upload log or when I try to put it on my profile page. 
KJRYoshi07 (My Talk) (Contribs) KJRYoshi07 07:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- You're probably being prevented from uploading it without a comment (for a new version) or category (for new files). You need to describe the changes if you're uploading a new file; you need to have a category (use [[Category:Users' Logos]] for a logo) for new files.
- If you are doing everything right, then I can do it for you while I figure out what's wrong, send me a cubeupload link or something. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 07:28, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I found the solution! The file was too large, but it didn't say it was too large.
KJRYoshi07 (My Talk) (Contribs) KJRYoshi07 08:10, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- It should have said that! The warning is usually right above the upload comment box, so you probably just didn't scroll down. I've edited the warning and disallow messages to make it more clear, but in the future remember to scroll down. Done kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:19, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- It should have said that! The warning is usually right above the upload comment box, so you probably just didn't scroll down. I've edited the warning and disallow messages to make it more clear, but in the future remember to scroll down.
- I found the solution! The file was too large, but it didn't say it was too large.
Change "waiting" to "in progress"
So on the wiki we have the template 
Waiting... but I think it should be change to "In progress", because I would think In progress would sound a little more professional to just "waiting" What do you think? Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 16:57, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think it should be applied to Doing... Millie S (talk|839 contribs|directory) 16:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed I forgot we had that template. Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 17:04, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- We have an {{In Progress}} template for pages that are being revamped, so "waiting" was used to avoid clashes. There's also a subtle difference between the two; Doing... is for when it's actively being done but taking some time; Waiting... is for when it's awaiting someone else's action (like a page needing deletion). I think it's fine as it is. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 04:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- We have an {{In Progress}} template for pages that are being revamped, so "waiting" was used to avoid clashes. There's also a subtle difference between the two;
- Agreed I forgot we had that template.
Part of a Page Needs To Be Updated
So, 16cmack became curator last night, but her username is under 'Current FPC' and 'Future Front Page Curators'. Can someone fix that? Purple_Ember (talk | contribs) 19:11, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hi! It was updated! You might need to clear you cache to see it. To clear your cache go to the "For Editors" side and click "Purge cache" and click "Yes" Done Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 21:54, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
UnreleasedRemoval Template
A new Template! This one is about features which are going to be removed in unreleased versions of Scratch. What do you think? Whatsfordinner77 (talk | contribs) 02:39, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- Could you give a few examples of features that we have pages for that will be actually removed? Note that things like the Pen category becoming an extension is not a removal. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 05:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- PicoBoard and Record Project Video afaik Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 12:59, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- PicoBoard and Record Project Video afaik
New FPC Has Been Chosen!
Hi! I saw on someone's profile that they added an application to the studio, Future FPCs. And the username of the chosen FPC is Flique! Would someone mind putting that in the Future FPCs section under List of Curators? Their shift is August 27 - September 3rd. Purple_Ember (talk | contribs) 20:32, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- I added it for you. In the future, you can add it yourself at Curator (front page)/Future Curators, as that page is NOT updated by WikiMonitor jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:07, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done by jvvg. Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 18:21, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles
I just made Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles. That page is for articles that will replace current ones on the release of Scratch 3.0. I hope you will improve the 3.0 articles and have them ready by the release of Scratch 3. CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account | More... 21:58, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Template:Unreleased Revert To Origanal
I have accidently edited Template:Unreleased/doc to my documentation of Template:UnreleasedRemoval. Can someone revert it? Thanks! Whatsfordinner77 (talk | contribs) 22:46, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
- Done by CrazyBoy826. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 08:23, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Compliment Tuesday! August 14th 2018
Welcome to the 9th Compliment Tuesday! August 14th 2018.
What is Compliment Tuesday?
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!
How to Compliment
We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday
Compliments
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
| User | Compliments |
|---|---|
| Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs) |
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| Bigpuppy (talk | contribs) |
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| ErnieParke (talk | contribs) |
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| jvvg (talk | contribs) |
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| LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) | |
| CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs) |
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| Purple Ember (talk | contribs) | |
| Fromage- (talk | contribs) | |
| FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) |
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| MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) | |
| Jakel181 (talk | contribs) | |
| Redglitter (talk | contribs) |
| “ | There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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” |
The next CT is August 21th 2018! See you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 19:32, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Not done Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 19:32, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
- Great job, everyone! Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 07:30, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- Great job, everyone!
New "Report" Extension
A new feature has been added to this wiki: It's an extension of MediaWiki made by Ken named Report. Users(who logged in) can use this to report vandalism/something against CGs. It keeps what you sent a secret, so only EWs+ can see the reports.
Okay, maybe you are interested in this. First, go to the history/difference page. Next, click "Report" of the revision you report. And then you can type the reason. If you have already reported one revision, you can't do it again for the same one.
EWs go to a page to handle them. This page is hidden for non-EWs.
AND IT IS MOST IMPORTANT THING! Don't abuse it. It can only make them angry. Of course, if you really found something illegal, you can use it.
Revision with Report link
Report page
Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 03:23, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- This post is a bit incoherent, so let me reword it here:
- I've installed a new extension, simply called "Report". If you are logged in, a "report" link will appear next to every revision, like so:
- Clicking it will bring you to this page:
- After filling in a reason to report the revision, EWs and admins will see a message like this in Special:RecentChanges:
- Clicking that link brings us to a page listing current reports. Each report displays the revision it is reporting, and the user who reported it. There is also a link to look at a specific page about the report; on that page, admins can mark the report as "handled", so that it no longer shows up in the list.
- Do not abuse this feature. It is made for when you see something inappropriate that bypassed the abuse filter. If you report a revision that is perfectly acceptable, you'll get a verbal warning. As with most other transgressions, too many (how many is decided by admins) warnings will lead to a block.
- Ideally, this will never be used. In practice, it's probably going to be the case that it'll get used at some point. Use it when actually necessary; don't test it, either, I've done all the testing required on my own test wiki.
- All that aside, please do use it if you find something inappropriate; it'll help us keep the Wiki a safer place. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 04:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
The Main Page is broken
I found that Scratch Wiki Home is broken, as the featured image and featured article are on top of each other. Can a bureaucrat please fix that? CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account | More... 21:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- Can't repro on Windows 7, Firefox 61.0.2 Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,762edit 23:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- Cannot reproduce on Windows 10, Chrome 68. For your information, the main page is sysop-protected, so admins can edit it too. kenny2scratch Talk Contribs Directory 03:14, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- Cannot reproduce on Windows 10, Chrome 68. For your information, the main page is sysop-protected, so admins can edit it too.
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