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Privacy Policy

The Privacy Policy page is linked at the bottom of every page, but currently shows just a copy the Scratch privacy policy. Since we are no longer managed by the ST, should we look into changing up this page?
Vuton Logo.png -Vuton- (Talk | Contribs | Pages) 11:47, 17 February 2018 (CET)

I think we should

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 13:43, 17 February 2018 (CET)
+1
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:43, 17 February 2018 (CET)
I made: User:Apple502j/Sandbox
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 23:22, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
@Apple502j: Thank you very much for making that first draft that looks good to me.
@Admins+EWs: Please have a look at this important issue and comment, if there is a need for improvement. We should put our private policy in effect asap. I would like to add something about email-adresses because you already could add it in your scratch profile, what helps you to get informed about changes of articles and to reset your password. We are planing to make eMail-Adresd mandatory for new users, like we have it slready in the other international scratch wikis. So it must be mentioned in the Privacy Policy.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:42, 18 February 2018 (CET)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────IMPORTANT:Ken made a very big edit. Please check again!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 23:31, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Oh wrong time
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 10:31, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes DoneReason: Fixed in a later CP Post.
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 16:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Userscripts - Discuss again!

There is a policy to ban advertising userscripts. Is that followed in this wiki?

  1. Yes, because the ST promised us not to have inappropriate things.
  2. Yes, because the Community Guidelines still apply here.
  3. No, this wiki is ours now, no longer the ST's.
  4. No, there is a disclaimer.
  5. I don't know.
  6. <offtopic>By the way, did you drink some apple juice yesterday?</offtopic>If you're bored and want to answer the 6th, do it at my talk.

What I know:

  • One of ST member deleted a page related to userscripts without any notice last November
  • The server was transferred last February
  • There are still some articles with userscripts such as kaj


Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 12:02, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

If CGs apply here (and they do), then we should not show any userscripts on the Wiki. No matter whether the Wiki is ours or not, whether we can be advertised on the main site ourselves is under the control of the Scratch Team.
The disclaimer does not cover userscripts - it only says nobody can be held responsible for inaccurate information here.
I believe that in accordance with ST policy, we should not have any advertisements for userscripts.
HOWEVER. On the Wiki, I plan to enable "user js/css" sometime in the near future. It does something similar to a userscript, but limited only to the Wiki. They are not as dangerous as real userscripts, though, because:
  1. The source code for user JS and CSS is available for anyone to see (but only the owner and admins can edit it)
  2. It only applies to the Wiki.
As for the script on kaj, that's actually only something to paste in the console (although that is also discouraged, it's not banned as completely outright as userscripts are because the source code is public).
So my opinion is we No Should not advertise userscripts on the Wiki, but that that will not apply to user JS/CSS should we choose to enable it.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:58, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes User CSS/JS has been activated.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Featured Images

https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Scratch_Wiki_Home/Featured_Images

Are the Featured Images going to change?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Hah, likely not in the near future, unless we think of some new images to put in there.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:31, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Can I change them? I have a few in mind. (I wasn't expediting a reply from you as you are on the other side of the world form me.)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:02, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
You can't change them directly, but I (or another admin, I'm about to go to bed) can change them for you - what are the images you have in mind? (I'm on at strange times lol)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:50, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Scratch 3.0 Prototype.png
  • Variable Dialog.png
  • Download this project.png

  • Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:20, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

    Hmm, why "download this project"? I'm good with the other two, but I'm just curious why a 1.4 image.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    01:02, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
    It is a nice bit of history. :D Also thanks for the gallery tag. Didn't know I could do that.
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 19:34, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

    ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yes Updated
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    01:43, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

    Thanks should they chagne about every wiki wednesday?
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
    We have no set schedule for the featured images :P
    Essentially, they're updated whenever someone (like you) realizes that they haven't been updated in a while.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    14:21, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

    Yay, Clickable Links!

    Links to Scratch Wikis (not only English) are clickable in Scratch Website! Yay! :D
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:02, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

    Bug: links to the German, Russian, and Indonesian wikis are not yet clickable (i.e. scratch-dach.info, scratch-indo.info, scratch-ru.info - basically scratch-*.info)
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    08:06, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
    Just use workarounds. https://de.scratch-wiki.info https://indo.scratch-wiki.info https://ru.scratch-wiki.info
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:58, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
    They don't redirect the full path, though: https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Random https://indo.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Random https://ru.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Random
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    09:15, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
    https://ja.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/de:Special:Random
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:57, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
    That's an unnecessary redirect, though. It would be much nicer to directly link. Anyway, I've opened up a GitHub issue for it, and it's marked as "feature", so I guess they'll be fixing it this month.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    10:58, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

    S:NOSP for Extensions

    Below this, the word "extensions" excludes the browser extensions banned by ST.

    We have a lot of pages about user-generated extensions.

    Are they allowed?
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:55, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

    Scramble is one of the Scratch Extensions that were grandfathered in when we introduced the rule against extensions - i.e. it still exists because it existed before the rule existed.
    Phosphorus and Sulfurous Players are notable enough that they should be kept out of general interest. They don't break any CGs, so we don't have to immediately remove them like we do for userscripts.
    sb2.js seems large-scale enough that it should be kept.
    Python could have more in relation to Scratch, but I think it also deserves an article of its own.
    I've added {{NotUseful}} to Android Scratch Player and ScratchBB.
    That oldid link is invalid - did I delete it?
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    11:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
    Yeah, you deleted it.
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 23:03, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
    Yes Donemore talk should be each talk pages
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:19, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

    Renaming the "move tool"

    I think the move to should be renamed to "Rename" to help resolve confusion. I didn't know that is what it did until I had all ready made a duplicate page when trying to rename a misspelled title.
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:44, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

    Yes Done
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    03:28, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

    New Featured Images

    Here are my ideas for featured images: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:Pen_Extension.png Because scratchers should know in scratch 3.0, the pen tool is know an extension. https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:Surprise.png It is an old feature removed in scratch 2.0 coming back to 3.0 https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:Scissors_Tool_Deleting.png Not many scratchers know about this tool. Thanks!
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:49, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

    Hi, thanks for your suggestions. In my opinion i am alright with all of them except the surprise button.
    However, that doesn't necessarily mean that it will be in the 3.0 official release...

    – Paddle2See, Scratch Team member



    Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 11:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
    Reference? I'd personally be okay with the surprise image since it's effectively confirmed by its inclusion on thisandagain's orders, but that image doesn't look like anything at all - it's just a few stars on a green background, it's unclear that that's the surprise sprite button.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    13:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
    Reference is here and I do get what you are saying. It is just stars and you can't tell what it is. Maybe this instead?

    Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 15:17, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
    I also chose it for what you just said K2S it is new and mysterious and it will have a caption under it anyways but if not, how about this: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:2.0_Define_().png Not many new scratchers know about custom blocks and if it is on the fount page of the wiki scrathers will pay more attention to it. Also what do you think of when you click on the image it leads to an article about the image? (I put alot of thought in what images I chose :P Maybe too much
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:52, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

    1.0, 2.0, 3.0

    I've been going around Wiki pages, and realized some articles have 1.0 and 2.0 in their names, yet some just have 1.0, instead of both. I think EWs and Admins shoul revert all the names applicable to have 1.0, 2.0, and when it comes out 3.0. Any thoughts?
    NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 17:29, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

    If it only has one version of Scratch listed in the title, it usually means that the feature was only in that version of Scratch.
    border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 17:37, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes, but I think that I saw a Wiki page (which I forgot the name of) that had one in 1.0 and 2.0 but still didn't have 1.0 and 2.0 in the name.
    NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 19:59, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
    Did you notice this is duplicate? S:NOSP#A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 09:20, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes Dupe
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

    Compliment Tuesday! June 5th 2018

    Welcome to the first Compliment Tuesday! June 5th 2018.

    What is Compliment Tuesday?

    Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

    How to Compliment

    We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday


    Compliments

    The Compliments are *drum roll please*


    • jvvg: You're great at being admin. Thanks for making and operating WikiMonitor and for making ConfirmAccounts! Wish you well as code monkey this summer ;)


    • Kenny2scratch: Thanks for helping me so much while I was learning how to edit the wiki. You answered all of my questions and didn’t even sigh at me :P


    Thank you so much for this awseome CT wiki page here! Already formated and everything. This will make compiling compliments a breeze!


    • Bigpuppy: You find the grammar and spelling mistakes in everything! It keeps the wiki looking nice! Thanks!



    The next CT is June 12th 2018! See You then!

    If you weren't complemented this tuesday, you are still recognized for all your help on the wiki this week. :)


    This isn't actually the First CT, but the program hasn't been active in a while and we are starting it back up again.
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:25, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

    YAY!

    Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 17:17, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes Done
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

    Copy Right Question

    Are profile pictures under the CC BY-SA 4.0 license, or the fair use license. As they are automatically made the same as your scratch profile.
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:33, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

    Scratch Terms of Service cover this, here is the relevant extract. Please, though, note that this is not legal advice and that I am not a lawyer.
    4.3 All user-generated content you submit to Scratch is licensed to and through Scratch under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license
    That means it's licenced under CC-BY-SA 2.0, which happens to be compatible with CC-BY-SA 4.0, so you can pick the one you want.
    Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 15:32, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes but the wiki severs are in Germany now, not in the U.S.
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:55, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
    It depends. Some wiki users have their signatures uploaded to our server and others allow it to be pulled from the scratch profile page. That was my understanding of the process but it may have changed when jvvg updated the system to fix the profile photo bug a few months back.
    Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 22:48, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
    Why would it matter where the Wiki servers are located? Scratch Terms of Service apply globally, and so does the CC licence I believe. (not a lawyer; not legal advice).
    Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 19:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
    German Copyright Law.
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
    German laws do not apply to a server located in the U.S. like Scratch's servers. Scratch profile pictures are all under CC BY-SA 2.0, no matter where they appear. Their use on the Wiki is governed by CC BY-SA 4.0, which is compatible with 2.0. Those who use scratchsig have the pics under 2.0, while those who use custom sigs have it under 4.0.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    02:26, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

    Question about References

    For references, should it be an official source, or can it be something that's a forum post or comment? Because I found something that might be able to be a reference for something on a page, but it's a post by a user. Am I allowed to use that as a reference?
    Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 19:14, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

    Of course! Most of our references (I would say) come from comments or forum posts. References to them usually show a community response to something, for example giving a reference for why many users are against the removal of the discuss button.
    border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 20:28, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
    Okay thanks!
    Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 23:29, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
    Just piping up here and saying that posts by normal users are perfectly fine in most situations, but for things like confirmed new features (cough Scratch 3.0 cough) you need a Scratch Team post or comment. It really depends on what you're citing for. If in doubt, ask with specifics.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    05:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
    Okay.
    Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 23:37, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
    Cool.
    Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 22:34, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes Done
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 09:51, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

    Compliment Tuesday! June 12th 2018

    Welcome to the Second Compliment Tuesday! June 12th 2018.

    What is Compliment Tuesday?

    Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

    How to Compliment

    We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday


    Compliments

    The Compliments are *drum roll please*


    • WikiMonitor, InterwikiBot, and TemplatesFTW: Most useful and active users.


    • jakel181: For organising compliment Tuesday


    • Hellounicorns: You are very active and helpful!


    • Scratchtwins-691: You are always keeping up the the curent SDS Curators! Thanks!


    • Kenny2scratch: You do so much behind the scenes! Thanks for helping to keep the wiki runing!



    The next CT is June 19th 2018! See You then!

    If you weren't complemented this tuesday, you are still recognized for all your help on the wiki this week. :)


    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 19:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

    Woah I got a compliment :o :)
    Hellounicorns2’s current logo.png нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlкcσηтяιвsρяσғιlε) 20:39, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
    Congratulations! You desevred it :)
    Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 22:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
     ;)
    • jvvg: Your continued dedication to the scratch wiki is admirable and serves as an inspiration for us all as we look for ways to improve the wiki. The development of Wiki Monitor, the wiki culture and much more can be attributed to your careful supervision and guidance. Your legacy envelops us all and your presence helps us all strive to be more productive individuals.
    • KJYoshi07: If I could, I would give you the curiosity award. You constantly communicate with others to teach yourself new techniques. You will certainly become a better wiki editor as time progresses.
    • Bigpuppy: Thank you for being a conscientious and present Experienced Wikian. You are there for all problems in a way that I can't hope to match. Every time I log on, the pending account requests queue is empty. While there are many who I must thank for this, you are certainly one person! :)
    • ErnieParke: Words cannot express what the InterWiki bot provides for this wiki. Our ability to track progress in real time is truly a wonderous feat. Your lasting spirit is a model for all editors.
    There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
    Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
    So true! To be honest everyone who owns an accounnt on the wiki together desevres a compliment for being on the Scratch Wiki, and offering their time to help make a difference in the community.
    Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 01:39, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
    You should post those compliments on the CT page itself so they'll be in the next digest :)
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    05:25, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
    Wow! You guys and gals are soo postive!
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 18:04, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
    MTBH I will add those into the main post next week!
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:22, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

    ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yes Done
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:59, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

    About removing the footer

    So, there's been an IMO rather heated discussion over on GitHub.

    The footer contains links, such as "Privacy Policy", that could be interpreted as the Wiki's privacy policy, so a proposal was to remove the footer from the Scratch Wiki's skin.

    I immediately objected to removing the footer, as doing so would be yet another disruption of the similarities between the Wiki and the Scratch site. However, LiFay made a good point - the legal links could cause trouble if someone clicks on a link that says "Privacy Policy" and thinks it's the Wiki's privacy policy. As a compromise, I immediately removed the entire "Legal" section from the footer, but I think my original proposal of simply prepending "Scratch" to sensitive links is still valid.

    There are a few options at this point:

    • Keep the footer the way it currently is, with the Legal section removed but otherwise no changes made
    • Re-add the Legal section, but prepend "Scratch" to the text of all the links in that section
    • Remove the entire footer
    • Prepend "Scratch" to the text of all links in the footer

    Since none of those options are fully ideal (though out of bias for my own ideal I would prefer the 2nd), we wanted to get more opinions. This is where you all come in - discuss away! Any more ideas for how to disambiguate sensitive links? Any opinions about the current options? Got an additional option to suggest? Post your thoughts!
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    09:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

    I personally prefer the second however I would prefer to see a mix of it and the 4th one (discussion forums etc.)
    Hellounicorns2’s current logo.png нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlкcσηтяιвsρяσғιlε) 10:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
    I'd like to propose a fifth option: Replace all of the links with their Wiki equivalents (except for perhaps the Scratch Family links). That could actually encourage further navigation around the wiki which is probably what we want considering we here haven't seen the google analytics stats for the wiki.
    Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 11:31, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
    The Google Analytics stats for the Wiki are available here: User:InterwikiBot/GA Stats
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    12:07, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
    Prepending all with Scratch.
    Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 12:21, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
    just use vector, problem solved
    border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 16:16, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

    ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────hi! I'm not Ken, but the Wiki Team (Ken and Mtwoll) decided to change like this.

    • Rename Credits to "Scratch Team"
    • Rename Jobs to "Scratch Jobs"
    • Add "Community Portal" under Community
    • Link FAQ to Wiki Article
    • Add "Help" under Support
    • Remove "Contact Us"
    • Rename Donate to "Donate to Scratch"
    • Add "Scratch Website" under Scratch Family
    • Change Legal's links to ours
    • Add "About Scratch Wiki" under About

    The pull request is available on GitHub. Thank you!
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:32, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

    ^ Indeed, the changes have been decided on now. Yes Thank you for all your input! I think a little of everything was incorporated.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    08:34, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
    @Apple @Ken I'd like it so we actually rename Contact Us to Contact the Scratch Team, or something like that.
    Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 15:18, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
    In the pull, I'm removing Contact Us entirely - it's too misleading.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    08:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    When will the new footer be in place?

    Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:09, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    It will be in place once the pull request Apple linked above is merged.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    09:20, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes Done see it now!
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 12:09, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

    Moar

    Add more archive spaces to the list of archives - We have 98. We need *moar*.
    Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 15:20, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

    I think we'll deal with this when we actually have 100 archives.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    08:48, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes Done
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

    Compliment Tuesday! June 19th 2018

    Welcome to the Thrid Compliment Tuesday! June 19th 2018. First off sorry for the delay for writing this week's post we are expriceing a heat wave and our wifi was out most of today and yesterday. Secondly this it the lagrest CT yet! Whoop! Finaly I have Decided to leave the signatures on the the original compliments.


    What is Compliment Tuesday?

    Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

    How to Compliment

    We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Compliment Tuesday


    Compliments

    The Compliments are *drum roll please*

    • NYCDOT: Thanks for being such an active Scratch Wiki editor, and thanks for your edits!
      Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs


    • Drunken_Sailor: Thanks for your mainspace edits and thoughtful responses in the Community Portal!
      Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs


    • Makethebrainhappy: Thanks for designing the Wiki Wednesday posts; you're great at making them!
      Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs


    • LiFaytheGoblin Thanks for posting the Wiki Wednesday posts; Wiki Wednesday is amazing!
      Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs


    • Kenny2scratch: You are an AMAZING Scratch Wiki editor; I can tell how much you care about the Scratch Wiki from how much time and effort you put into it!
      Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs



    • Bigpuppy: Thank you for being the most active EW besides yours truly! You're also very friendly when dealing with account requests, more friendly than I sometimes can be.
      Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 


    • CrazyBoy826: Thank you for making all of those helpful redirects! Although we've had our frictions, and some redirects had to be deleted, I still admire how much thought you put into where people might look for information, and how to redirect them to existing information.
      Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 


    Also I whould like to a few more complements that MakeTheBrainHappy posted on last week's post:

    • jvvg: Your continued dedication to the scratch wiki is admirable and serves as an inspiration for us all as we look for ways to improve the wiki. The development of Wiki Monitor, the wiki culture and much more can be attributed to your careful supervision and guidance. Your legacy envelops us all and your presence helps us all strive to be more productive individuals.
    • KJYoshi07: If I could, I would give you the curiosity award. You constantly communicate with others to teach yourself new techniques. You will certainly become a better wiki editor as time progresses.
    • Bigpuppy: Thank you for being a conscientious and present Experienced Wikian. You are there for all problems in a way that I can't hope to match. Every time I log on, the pending account requests queue is empty. While there are many who I must thank for this, you are certainly one person! :)
    • ErnieParke: Words cannot express what the InterWiki bot provides for this wiki. Our ability to track progress in real time is truly a wonderous feat. Your lasting spirit is a model for all editors.

    There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
    Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


    The next CT is June 26th 2018! See You then!



    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:41, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

    Woo! I think next time it would be better to cut-and-paste all the compliments into an archive every week, rather than leaving them on there - it would get repetitive if people saw the same compliment every time. So here's what I think you should do next Tuesday:
    1. Copy the entire compliments table into Notepad or some other text editor (minus the example one).
    2. Reset the table on the page itself to just the example.
    3. Create "Scratch Wiki:Compliment Tuesday/Archive n" with the table you copied into the text editor. I'll make an archive list at some point and add that in.
    4. Post the same table in the text editor in a CP post, along with a summary of what CT is and how people can participate.
    5. Wait until next Tuesday
    6. Repeat!
    Seems good?
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    08:56, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    Cool! So the table should be of all the CT post beacuse there kind of is allready https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User_talk:Jakel181/CT
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:52, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yay! Nice update to displaying usernames under compliments as well!

    Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes Done
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:53, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

    Changing the system of electing EWs

    The EWs and Admins have long argued that the current system of electing EWs is fine. For the wiki - sure. It’s certainly fine. But does it maximise potential of what the wiki can do? This proposition improves the system so that elections are held more frequently but do not cause as much drama but rather encourage people to edit more.

    Points for keeping the current system and my points addressing them. My points are in italics

    • Only elects when required because we don’t need to many people in power this system will have many elections but most will result in no EWs being elected
    • Elections cause a month of disruption in editing since people focus on the elections this system will require them to remain very active during the campaign

    And that’s about all I’ve heard. Let me know if there are any other points to address.
    Here are the points against it.

    • No matter what the admins say, having to wait a year to become an EW is extremely discouraging to users (like me) who want to become EWs one day. Full stop. I know that the only reason I don’t make like 25 edits a day is because I feel like there is no reward for it other than the isolated chance of winning an election 12 months away.
    • When EWs are only elected when needed. This means a fair while with not enough EWs between EWs becoming inactive and the election results
    • The standards for running are too loose and candidates who may not deserve to run can. In my opinion you should have to have been very active and have lots of total edits. I’m pretty sure the current ones are simply that you must have 50 mainspace edits, and you don’t have to be a superhero to get that.
    • The elections always elect at least one candidate. In my opinion, we could change this to allow for more frequent elections.

    So, here is my proposition.

    1. Elections are at least 3 months apart - this is decent enough to not have constant election madness but also not have impatient people (*cough me cough*) going inactive because they feel like they aren’t being rewarded with EW.
    2. Elections only occur if at least 5 candidates have expressed interest in running. Otherwise, they continue to get postponed.
    3. To run in an election you must have:
      1. At least 200 mainspace edits - yes, that means I wouldn’t be able to run unless I upped my editcount :P
      2. At least 100 actions in the last month (Special:ActiveUsers)
      3. Been on the wiki for at least 3 months.
    4. Only candidates who get at least 100/{amountofcandidates}x2 of the vote become an EW, restricting the amount of EWs that get elected. This algorithm can be changed though.

    So, what are your thoughts? I’ve been thinking about this for a long time and will be willing to answer and questions and add more detail if necessary :). Thanks for reading!
    Hellounicorns2’s current logo.png нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlкcσηтяιвsρяσғιlε) 22:18, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

    Hmm. Traditionally, we have elected EWs two at a time. Your idea about 100 actions in the last month conflicts with the at least five candidates requirement, though - have you seen Special:ActiveUsers? There are maybe three people with over 100 actions right now, nowhere near enough.
    You also don't seem to understand the purpose of being EW. EW is not a reward; it is granted to people whom the community thinks would do well with the tools. When the current admins think there aren't enough people actively using those tools, they get more - the only democratic part of getting new EWs is the choosing. If you're thinking of going inactive because you haven't been "rewarded" with EW, that's unfortunate, but to be a little blunt about it, if you're that power-hungry then good riddance.
    Any website administration is oligarchic by nature. A wiki is no exception. Heard the term "bureaucracy"? That's us (exclusive us).
    More about rewards. I already mentioned that EW is not a reward; but especially with CT, your reward should be appreciation for your hard work. If nothing else, it should at least be the satisfaction of knowing that helpless New Scratchers are helped thanks to your work.
    I don't see us changing the election system any time soon. Remember, it could just as easily be completely oligarchic and not involve an election at all. The election step is just to ensure we don't choose someone everyone despises.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    23:37, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that we the administrators do want people to be motivated, to contribute and to have fun here in the community. The fact that anyone would see this as not being a rewarding spirit means that we as a community should be discussing how we can create that rewarding atmosphere. I certainly want to reward good edits and good editors, and compliment Tuesday has been a great community project to help with this. I would like more the debate to shift towards how we can enhance this part of the community. Election reform is not the answer.
    I get to speak from experience here. I'm not sure how many administrators would admit it, but sitting here I don't really feel anymore special than you just because I have a few extra perms. Am I mildly interested in the few extra perms that Ken has over me? Yeah, but being EW has taught me that at the end of the day the permissions aren't what counts- its your contribution to the community. Administrators are people who need to be consistently active in the community over a long period of time. It can't be someone who's looking for a special promotion or rank because they will probably go inactive much sooner than expected. I'm much more proud of my Wiki Wednesday posts than of anything I've ever done with my perms. I'm much happier to help others than to sit in the back slogging through account requests. I truly enjoy speaking to all of you here instead of being in the admin chat. Take this away, there isn't much that you aren't already aware of or opinions that you can't see. We are regular people helping with this large task.
    In summary, I would like this conversation to turn towards how we could create a more rewarding atmosphere on the wiki. Perhaps this will drive in a better sense of "community." Please discuss
    Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:30, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    @kenny2scratch Part of the point is that it encourages people to be very active so that they can run in the elections. I have no doubt many people would become more active if they could see themselves becoming an EW.

    That’s what it’s supposed to be but I doubt many people other than EWs and Admins think that way. Compliment Tuesday is great and provides recognition. Things like that can help, but tbh I feel like I would prefer to be able to become an EW over get a compliment to be blunt. If becoming an EW really was like that people wouldn’t want to become an EW and there would be no candidates at any elections. Also, I’m not leaving the wiki any time soon (I’m a pretty loyal person) but unfortunately I doubt I’ll get much more active than I am now. I’m not power hungry, I just dream of a day when I might be an EW. There’s a difference between dreaming and wanting to become one and begging to become one.

    tbh that make the wiki seem like a dictatorship :p.

    Sure, that’s the way it is, but can’t we be a little progressive and change things up a bit? Things don’t have to stay the same, my point is it would be just as easy to make it properly democratic.
    @MTBH to sum up my opinion on your reply, sure, we should be discussing that but that only addresses one of my points...
    Hellounicorns2’s current logo.png нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlкcσηтяιвsρяσғιlε) 06:21, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    "tbh that makes the wiki seem like a dictatorship" did you see my note about how a wiki is oligarchic by nature?
    There's also a security risk involved. If we made a couple of people EWs every few months, soon we'd have a hundred people with potentially Wiki-breaking permissions! I'm surprised you haven't caught on to how other representative democracies do it - there are term limits to any official position.
    The only way regular elections could work is if people lost their EW permissions after a certain time. But then the EW position would get as much hate as the FPC position does now, although perhaps on a smaller scale since there's not as many people to give hate.
    I mean, if I was to make an analogy, the ST would be the bureaucrats and the FPC would be a term-limited EW - an FPC has the special permission to feature any project on the front page by favoriting it, while EWs have other permissions (see Special:ListGroupRights for an accurate list).
    Okay, to make this more organized, I am going to attempt to shoot down each of your points, in order.
    • Only elects when required because we don’t need to many people in power this system will have many elections but most will result in no EWs being elected
    The point in bold is absolutely correct. We don't need too many people in power. We hold elections when too many EWs are inactive. It also doesn't have many elections at all - we've had 5 elections ever, all of which elected at least two new EWs and appointed at most 1 new sysop.
    • Elections cause a month of disruption in editing since people focus on the elections this system will require them to remain very active during the campaign
    Yes, they do cause disruption. No system can prevent that. Even if people remain active during the campaign, their edits will still be halfhearted - they'll be following the law to the letter, not to the spirit, so to speak. Halfhearted edits are worse than no edits at all.
    • No matter what the admins say, having to wait a year to become an EW is extremely discouraging to users (like me) who want to become EWs one day. Full stop. I know that the only reason I don’t make like 25 edits a day is because I feel like there is no reward for it other than the isolated chance of winning an election 12 months away.
    Then take your mind off becoming EW completely! Especially now that we have our own bureaucrats, the chance of us needing new EWs is very slim unless all the admins suddenly disappear off the face of the earth. Look to compliments as being your best reward. I also think we should be promoting CT much more forcefully. I might also propose (later) that every active user must add a compliment - unlike edits, halfhearted compliments can be as good as real compliments.
    • When EWs are only elected when needed. This means a fair while with not enough EWs between EWs becoming inactive and the election results
    Yeah, if any Senator suddenly dies, I'm pretty sure the Senate goes without that Senator until the next election. Also, you seem to be refuting your own point - regular elections would mean that the time until a new EW was elected to replace the old might be longer, not shorter.
    • The standards for running are too loose and candidates who may not deserve to run can. In my opinion you should have to have been very active and have lots of total edits. I’m pretty sure the current ones are simply that you must have 50 mainspace edits, and you don’t have to be a superhero to get that.
    That's the requirement to nominate yourself. The requirements to actually run are secret (even I don't know them yet) and it takes considerably more thought on the part of the current admins to decide who out of the nominees can actually run.
    • The elections always elect at least one candidate. In my opinion, we could change this to allow for more frequent elections.
    ...an election would be pointless if it elected no people. Elections always electing at least one new EW is a good thing.
    • Elections are at least 3 months apart - this is decent enough to not have constant election madness but also not have impatient people (*cough me cough*) going inactive because they feel like they aren’t being rewarded with EW.
    "at least 3 months" is still too fast - the presedential elections are every four years!
    • Elections only occur if at least 5 candidates have expressed interest in running. Otherwise, they continue to get postponed.
    This is already in place, though the minimum is four, not five. If the election has less than four nominees, it's called off.
    • To run in an election you must have:
    • At least 200 mainspace edits - yes, that means I wouldn’t be able to run unless I upped my editcount :P
    That's too much, though - there are other kinds of pages that are still content pages that are not in mainspace, like the Scratch Wiki: or Help: namespaces. I think 50 mainspace is okay, for nominating at least. The requirements to actually run remain secret.
    This might have some merit, but 100 is actually a lot - there would never be any elections if it was this high. If this is the point that you say should keep people active while campaigning, it's not good enough, though - they could make 100 edits in the span of a day and then do nothing for the rest of the month.
    • Been on the wiki for at least 3 months.
    This seems excessive - the requirement to become Wikian (i.e. not New Wikian) is 1 month, and I think if you've become Wikian you're almost fit for election anyway.
    So that's a bunch of my points.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    08:42, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    I guess I can’t really make a point against that... Yes Done :(
    Hellounicorns2’s current logo.png нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlкcσηтяιвsρяσғιlε) 08:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    I would recommend opening up a new conversation about community spirit ideas! :)
    Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

    forced comments?

    Can you flesh out your idea for forced CT?
    KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:22, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

    No support. At all. Not in a million years. Ken, the whole point of Compliment Tuesday is that it's optional and voluntary. With the current system, people only write compliments when they really mean it. If you start forcing people to be nice, none of the compliments will be genuine and won't have any real meaning. So stop right now, and get any thoughts of forcing people to compliment others out of your head.
    border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 15:54, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    Ken begins stroking his beard thoughtfully. (aka can you add a beard to your logo?)
    Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 19:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    I agree with Druken Sailor. CT should not be forced, it should be considered an award; and it is not a guarantee that everyone will decide to sumbit a compliment. I also agree that CT should be voluntary, anyone on the wiki who strongly believes that someone deserves a compliment, should have the choice if they would like to or not.
    Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 20:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    @MTBH Check discord for the bearded ken :)
    NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 22:16, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    I don't agree that 'halfhearted compliments can be as good as real compliments' in a majority of cases so I also don't support.
    KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:32, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
    Agreed, it will always be better if you mean your compliments.
    Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 20:45, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @NYCDOT and MTBH: whut

    Just to make things clear, that was a random thought that I put in there. If it was to actually happen, I think it wouldn't be forced so much as aggressively encouraged, and I also think it wouldn't apply to all active users, just those who had done anything that still shows up on default recent changes (though "default" is different depending on your preferences so it might be better to make that standard). The process would be something like this:

    1. It's a day or two before CT
    2. The CT manager goes through the current recent changes and makes a list of users still on it
    3. The CT manager goes through the CT page and makes a list of users who have already complimented people
    4. People who are on the first list but not the second get a talk page message saying "Hi! Did you know you can make people feel better by giving them a compliment on S:CT? It would be a nice thing to do :)" or something along those lines

    I'm just putting this out here so y'all can give it a second thought - if it still seems detrimental that's fine too.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    01:11, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

    I think kindness is something that comes naturally and doesn't need reminders. I see that CT is picking up traction, so the issue of discouraging users mentioned above that sparked this idea of 'encouraged CT' will not be needed.
    KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:13, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

    CT: Mark CT topics "done" when the next came

    ^^ Suggestion: see above.
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 10:58, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

    agreed
    Hellounicorns2’s current logo.png нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlкcσηтяιвsρяσғιlε) 09:35, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes Done
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:55, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

    Portals

    When the Scratch Wiki was small, there were only a few hundred pages, so there were no need for portals. Now that it's large and has 1,190 content pages, 15,469 pages in total, and 218,769 edits, we might need to add portals. One problem is how to maintain them so they look like the Main Page. We might need to add a help page aabout portals, how to use them, and how to add the Scratch Wiki header and content boxes.
    CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs) 20:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

    There is no need, because we already have categories. For ex., Mathematics and People is a portal, like how Main pages and Roles is a category. Make sense?
    NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 22:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    As NYCDOT stated, there is no need to introduce Portals, catergories are used for the same round about purpose; and do just fine. Any other thoughts?
    Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 22:51, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
    Actually, portals have been suggested for deletion, the entire namespace of them. Although that proposal ended up being rejected, it should be viewed here as a warning to those who would start them up - look at all the arguments for deleting them, for instance. I've bolded those that would likely apply here.
    1. Very few Wikipedians use portals, and therefore very few Wikipedians maintain them.
    2. As very few Wikipedians maintain portals, they often contain out-of-date and/or irrelevant information.
    3. Many portals on certain subjects are less useful as an introduction to their subject than the main article(s).
    4. The time Wikipedians do spend on maintaining portals would (thus) be better spent on maintaining articles.
    5. Because they are poorly maintained and have few watchers they attract vandalism and POV pushers, which is not quickly reverted.
    6. The only portals with significant traffic are the 8 linked from the top of the mainpage, and these get far less traffic than the corresponding articles
    I strongly believe that:
    1. Few Wikians would use portals, and therefore few Wikians would maintain them.
    2. As few Wikians would maintain portals, they would likely contain out-of-date and/or irrelevant information.
    3. Many portals on certain subjects would be less useful as an introduction to their subject than the main article(s).
    4. The time Wikians would spend on maintaining portals would (thus) be better spent on maintaining articles.
    I seriously doubt portals would be a welcome addition to the Wiki. As others have said, categories already help to group pages by general topic or purpose.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    00:33, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
    simplicity > complexity, esp. with CP layout. QED.
    KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:48, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

    NotDone/Done Rules

    I have a question. Is there any rules to putting the Not Done/Done templates? Because if there are, then we should add them to the top of the CT. If there aren't, I'm going to propose rules for the templates. Here they are:
    Not Done
    Must have been at least 1 week before the last comment
    First reply must've been before Fri, June 15, 2018 (EST) (Times will change according to the date)
    Must be approved by at least 3 other Wikians (No New Wikians, they might not know what ND means)
    Done
    Must have been resolved already
    Last reply must be made by an EW/Admin/bureaucrat
    Must be approved by 2 EW/Admin/bureaucrat
    NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 15:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

    As far as I know, there are no current rules for adding the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates. :) Personally (this is just my opinion) I think adding rules might overcomplicate things; if a section is done, it's done. If a section is not done, it's not done. If someone thinks a topic someone has marked "done" is still not done, they can add the {{not done}} template in a new post.
    However, this is just my opinion. Thanks for posting. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:15, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
    OK.
    NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 16:35, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
    Could I move the ND topics into Not Done right now?
    NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 16:47, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
    I believe so, if you think they fit the requirements at the top of Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:19, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
    Will it matter how many replies or how long it go it was?
    NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:25, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
    I wouldn't think so.
    Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 20:43, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
    I think adding rules to using the templates would just complicate things. The {{not done}} template exists to immediately (i.e. without the archiver having to read it) exempt a topic from being archived. The {{done}} template exists to immediately mark a topic as ready to archive. They have no other significant meaning otherwise.
    I think you should only move topics that obviously look like they're going to need "long time and hard work" into S:CPND. Others should remain here, unarchived.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    00:23, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

    ──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's not hard to (usually) recognize when a discussion is done or not. I agree it would overcomplicate things. Plus, when in doubt, {{not done}}.
    KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:41, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

    Ok, thanks for your input.
    NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 12:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

    Integrating the BrainQuotes Extension into the Wiki

    Do you wish to make your conversations more lively, meaningful and inspiring? Should we not all want this for our community? Well then look no further. I propose the integration of BrainQuote, an idea with less (now more) than five minutes of thought and Ken's unwavering support.

    BrainQuotes is what Ken classifies as an extension.

    This extension adds in a button to the wiki which would allow users to insert wise words from famous individuals. Shakespeare, Lincoln, the Buddha and [Unknown]. You can add these to the end of conversations, userpages, mainspace pages [sometimes], and other relevant places.

    Wouldn't it be great? That is why I propose to make this available to all wiki users by integrating it into the main wiki and adding it permanently to our wiki. :)
    Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:41, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

    Allow me to demonstrate:
    Faith in oneself is the best and safest course.

    – Michelangelo

    If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

    – Albert Einstein

    Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

    – Douglas Adams

    The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend.

    – Henri Bergson

    A leader or a man of action in a crisis almost always acts subconsciously and then thinks of the reasons for his action.

    – Jawaharlal Nehru

    (For more see Ken's talk page)
    Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 02:10, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
    Before we get all philosophical with these quotes even if it were used for discussions I don't think it will be used enough to merit an extension. I don't think many people will use it, would comprehend it or derive any satisfaction from it. In fact, my head hurts reading some of those insipid banal quotes. :/ Maybe it's just me, haha...
    KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:31, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
    Erm, I'm not sure if people will use it, like KrIsMa said. Also, I think that these quotes aren't needed on this Wiki.
    NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 12:50, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
    I don't see what the point is in this. At all. Why is this necessary? We don't need this. It's useless.
    border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 19:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

    We need documentation for Template:Info

    Yes Done It doesn't exist. :/
    Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 16:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

    Yes Done
    CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs) 16:11, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

    The {{Info}} template

    There are lots of templates out there that are info boxes at the top right of a page, giving detailed info about the thing. The problem with this is that every time a new feature is added, there needs to be a new info template. I just added the {{Info}} template to use if there is no specific template to use. This way, more pages can have info boxes.
    CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs) 16:10, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

    But most of the things we need are covered now. The reason we have so many is so we don't have to fiddle around when creating a new page.
    Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 16:53, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
    ...{{infobox}}
    KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:25, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
    ...{{scratchwikiframe}} It's best to search the wiki for the same template before making one.
    KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:28, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes Done
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 09:50, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

    We just passed 200K revisions!

    This was the 200,000th revision. Celebrate!
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    09:52, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

    Wow, Mr.InterwikiBot!
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 09:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
    xD yay! Congrats, InterwikiBot (talk | contribs). Your contributions accross a large range of pages are appreciated :P
    Hellounicorns2’s current logo.png нεllσυηιcσяηs2 (тαlкcσηтяιвsρяσғιlε) 22:08, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
    Cool-cat-emoji.png Awesome! 10milemoji.png
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    Yes Done
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

    April Fools' Template

    Okay, I knew I was going to have to bring this up someday.

    Why have we got the icon of KajTheModerator on the AF template? I mean, I don't think it's a good idea. Here are my two reasons why:

    1. Most Scratchers might not remember KajTheModerator that easily. I mean, it was 6 years ago.
    2. If a Scratcher hasn't looked at the wiki page nor been around on Scratch for long enough, they will probably be thinking, "why is there a random screaming face on the April Fools' template that's really badly drawn?"

    My thinking is, perhaps we should change the April Fools' template every year depending on the jokes that are being played, so that even new scratchers will understand it? It's just a thought.


    Redglitter Profile Picture.gif Redglitter (Talk ~ Contributions ~ 412 edits ~ Profile) 17:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

    Any thoughts?
    Redglitter Profile Picture.gif Redglitter (Talk ~ Contributions ~ 412 edits ~ Profile) 15:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    Honstly I think we should keep it becasue it is a cool part of scratch history.
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:18, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    Okay - I'm just interested to see what people think.
    Redglitter Profile Picture.gif Redglitter (Talk ~ Contributions ~ 412 edits ~ Profile) 15:22, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    We picked that image less because it was KTM's logo and more because it just looked funny :)
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    03:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

    The St, Nd and Rd Templates

    No Not done
    When looking at Template:Th, I found these three templates. They no longer have any use because of Template:Th, which automatically changes to st, nd, and rd. The Th template also don't use these templates. Should we remove them, changing the pages that use them to {{Th}}?
    CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs) 21:12, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

    No. It's a pain to update everything, and once deleted, I'm pretty sure you can't get what links there. Either way, we'd need to look through Special:WantedPages and that page is really annoying to deal with, since there are a lot of red links.
    Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 06:59, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    I looked at the Th template and found that you have to use a parameter instead. It's just easier to do the work in your head and use st, nd or rd.
    CrazyBoy826 (talk | contribs) 21:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
    St, Nd, and Rd are there as shortcuts for th|1, th|2, and th|3. Use them when the corresponding number is static, like 1{{st}} for 1st, and use Th when the number is dynamic, like {{CURRENTDAY}}{{th|{{CURRENTDAY}}}} for 15th.
    Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    03:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

    Featured Article

    Hi, could someone update the featured article to animated GIF please, thanks

    Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 17:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

    Yes Done. The problem is that the GIF doesn't work on the front page. :P
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

    130 KB

    The CP should be archived now!

    Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 06:02, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

    99th archive!
    Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)