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A talk about capitalization of article titles

So here, currently, the convention on article titles is title case. However, this poses two major problems:

  • Linking to articles is less natural, as instead of [[linking like this]] you have to do your [[Linking Like This|linking like this]].
  • Searching for articles is more difficult, since searching up (let's say) "list of controversial topics on Scratch" does not immediately proceed to the page List of Controversial Topics on Scratch - it instead either proceeds to a redirect, or shows a search results page, the first result of which is the correctly capitalized article.

This makes the Wiki's articles less accessible, and makes searching more cumbersome and therefore less effective (though it's one extra step, plenty of people will turn away if they don't immediately get results).

Besides this, some pages (e.g. help pages) don't follow this convention, making it not only cumbersome but inconsistent.

The solution: change the convention to sentence case. Page titles should have only the first word capitalized, except for words that are proper nouns, e.g. "Scratch". In this case, List of Controversial Topics on Scratch would become "List of controversial topics on Scratch".

Pros
  • Makes linking more natural and saves some space.
  • Makes searching much quicker.
Cons
  • Moving every page that is currently in title case will take quite a while, especially since it can't be done by bots (bots are unable to judge which words are proper nouns).
  • We'll have to make a bunch of redirects, so that old links will still point to the correct pages. However, we have tons of redirects anyway (around 8-10K redirects) so this shouldn't be too big a problem.

This is a rather large suggestion, but I believe it has some merit. Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I think Kenny2scratch is right
This really is a problem we should find a solution for.
the problem is explained and many different solutions are suggested:
Case sensitivity in MediaWiki is both a blessing and a curse. Sometimes case matters, and preserving case allows mediawiki to handle those few cases where case matters. However, the case sensitivity can result into a failed search result. For example, when you are looking for an article BBQ by entering bbq, an untwisted MediaWiki will think that this page (bbq) does not exist and ask you to create a new page.
IMHO following suggestion could be the best, because it results in a non-casesensetive search and so there is no change of capitalisation needed:
Wikimedia solution

One of the solutions used by Wikipedia is to create a separate table for the keys, so if it works cleanly it can be deployed without an expensive rebuild of core tables, and dumped when Wikimedia gets a nicer backend through lucene. For Wikipedia, this is done by installing Extension:TitleKey. It usually can solve most problems related to the case sensitivity during making a search query.


Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
I prefer capitalization as it is now.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 16:52, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
How do you want to solve the problem: "However, the case sensitivity can result into a failed search result." ?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
22:11, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
If we were to move all the pages into sentence case, I have a procedure suggestion:
  1. Add a temporary category to all pages
  2. Move pages and remove the category from them until no pages are left in that category.
That way it would be clear which pages hadn't been moved yet (if a page doesn't need a move, still remove the category).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
My question above was to User:Turkey3 who said: "I prefer capitalization as it is now". I either don't want to mass-change articlenames but I think, a solution, where seaching is no more case-sensitive, helps best and easiest.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
I also prefer the capitalization as it is - there is no need in changing the titles themselves. How long it would take!!
The extension Martin brought up seems like a better idea
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

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@KrIsMa: However, that doesn't solve linking - it's still more natural and also much easier to do
there is a [[list of controversial topics on Scratch]] on this wiki
than
there is a [[List of Controversial Topics on Scratch|list of controversial topics on Scratch]] on this wiki

Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:40, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Makes linking more natural - I would (and others may) rather link unnaturally than have the name change of most wiki pages. I haven't seen others mention/talk about unnatural links yet; I see it as a petty issue.
About the ease of linking in sentence case, is it easier to capitalize more words in a title or un-capitalize ~1000 wiki pages?
  • ...and saves some space - Really? I thought it would be negligible.
  • Makes searching much quicker. - This I agree with. An extension solves this.
  • Besides this, some pages (e.g. help pages) don't follow this convention, making it not only cumbersome but inconsistent - there are more mainspace pages than help pages, etc so I presume there will be more pages that use title case. This would equally bring up the case of changing all sentence-case titles like help pages to title case for consistency - which is a contradiction of what you are suggesting.
  • We'll have to make a bunch of redirects, so that old links will still point to the correct pages. However, we have tons of redirects anyway (around 8-10K redirects) so this shouldn't be too big a problem. - we removed capitalization redirects a while ago.
Don't support link change, support extension.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
I brought this up around 5 and a half years ago, and a bunch of people were in favor for the reasons Kenny2scratch mentioned. JSO, who essentially founded the Wiki and was a bureaucrat at the time, stepped in and pushed it down. Clearer heads prevailed, and as you can tell, we never made the change.
I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but I really think this is a change we should not put our efforts and time in. I think the titles look just fine as they are, but most importantly I think it's not worth either breaking every single link ever created to the wiki or messing up the wiki by creating hundreds of redirects.

– JSO

Since we long ago removed capitalization redirects, this would require bringing back that discussion, and fixing thousands of double redirects. JSO also suggested finding an extension, so i agree that that is the way to go.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
There is a major problem with installing or making an extension. If we were to have an extension enable case insensitive linking, one of two things would have to happen. Either:
  • Do an exhaustive search of every possible capitalization of the page's name - not recommended!
  • Move every page to a fully-lowercase equivalent and then have the extension simply redirect links to all-lowercase - defeats the purpose.
Unless there is a way to make an extension always redirect from other capitalizations to the correct and original capitalization, an extension is not going to help us.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:38, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
As far as I know the Wilipedia-Community has solved this problem. So we should find out how they did it and try to use the same solution here.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
They have solved the problem of searching, but they have not fixed capitalization in links - see my sandbox on Wikipedia for an example of case sensitivity in linking.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:59, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
OK, saw it. Yes Wikipedia didn't solve the "capitalization in links issue" Perhaps best solution was that we stay with it like it is, but try to find a comfortable editor-addon, where you get a suggestion-list-menu as you type when starting to create a wiki-link with all fitting articles.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:56, 19 February 2018 (CET)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'll treat this as Yes Rejected.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
01:49, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Some GIFs aren't animated at smaller size

For example:

I'm an optimist, but I'm also a realist.gif BEST GIF EVER.gif

PPL Icon.gif ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 01:19, 19 February 2018 (CET)

Huh.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 12:31, 19 February 2018 (CET)
(actually these images are not allowed now, see #We have to delete Fair Use.)
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:14, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Found the problem: [1] - turns out it's a limitation with MediaWiki itself. Sorry, but those GIFs won't be animated at those sizes.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:22, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

mentioning users on the Wiki

I see people trying to mention admins + ews on the CP by typing "Admins+Ews:..." but honestly no one notices these anyways unless they are watching the topic. I think we should have a mentioning system on the Wiki (such as @admins etc.) that was previously discussed by never reached a conclusion.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:52, 19 February 2018 (CET)

The problem is that there's no real notification system on a wiki, unless we get the Echo extension; but that extension makes the wiki too much like a social network.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:22, 20 February 2018 (CET)
Or, we can make a "Admin Noticeboard". see also S:CP#Dedicated page for requests for admin/EW action
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 09:33, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

"Done" in S:CPND

Shouldn't they be archived?
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 07:22, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the custom is for topics in there - I guess they would be archived at the same time as the normal CP. We'll just wait until the next CP archive (remember we archive once it hits 125K bytes)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:33, 2 March 2018 (CET)
Yes Done
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 22:03, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

link to the forum thing

I think the thing at the top should link to the forum community portal thing.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 01:31, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

You mean the discuss button should link to the Wiki forum topic? Seems like a good idea, actually - but I'll wait for more support before going ahead.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
01:45, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Support!

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:47, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Maybe we could have both? I think having a link to Scratch discuss makes sense. Someone pointed this out somewhere before, but it is logical to go to the forums when you can't find an answer here. Can't we replace the Create or Explore button with a link to the Community Portal? -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 16:55, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
No. I mean link to it at the top of the community portal. But good idea.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 03:50, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
@LiFaytheGoblin - That seems a good idea, we also have the option to add it somewhere else on the navbar. Maybe a chat icon could go beside the pencil icon, and it would link to the community portal?
Vuton Logo.png -Vuton- (Talk | Contribs | Pages) 09:05, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
@Ziggy: Oh, you meant link to the forum topic from the CP, in the help box? That seems much milder but hey, it also seems nice.
Actually, I feel like we should have a third menu (apart from the pencil and user menus) for general convenient links related to the Wiki - but that's a rather long shot so I want more opinions on that. Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Mayby the "discuss"-button could change into a menu where you can jump to different locations like "forum", "community portal", "community portal forum thread", "you language forum"... So all locations for discussions coud be found at one place that is already well known...
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:57, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes. I like that idea

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 17:50, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Block template

You can make block template like this.
-unsigned comment by MathsGames3 (talk | contribs)

We stopped publicizing blocks a while ago, and deleted its respective template.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:38, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Some things

I have a few questions:

1. What is MediaWiki 2. What is MediWiki talk 3. What is interwiki

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 13:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Unique title, much?
  1. MediaWiki is the software that Wikipedia, the Scratch Wiki, Wikia, and a lot of other wikis run on. If you mean the MediaWiki: namespace, that is a namespace that controls interface text (e.g. MediaWiki:Scratchwikiskin-create controls the text of the "create" link in the header.)
  2. The MediaWiki talk: namespace is a normal talk namespace for discussion of the corresponding MediaWiki: page
  3. Interwiki is the thing on the left that says "Other languages" (see Scratch Wiki Home) for an example - it's a way to connect different language wikis.
Hope that answers the questions!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

The new header color

Those of you coming back to the Wiki may have noticed that the header at the top of the screen has changed - it is now a deep purple (#7953c4) rather than the previous light blue (#25aff4). This change was made at the request of the Scratch Team. Since the Wiki is no longer an MIT website, it must be changed to no longer look like one, so we decided to change the header color to differentiate the sites. Just giving y'all a heads up!

Note: There was a short time period where I messed up the colors and made the dropdown menus transparent and the button icons disappear. This was fixed almost immediately, but if you happened to load the Wiki during then please do a hard refresh.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:59, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

OwO I did notice that this when I came in. It seems more pleasing to the eye than the light blue too. I'm surprised that they required that though - perhaps they didn't want further legal trouble.
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 15:13, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
I came on to the wiki and was like where are the buttons!? "I'm losing my mind" I am glad I was wrong. :D Also might want to update the News section that there is a new header if the user does not notice. lol
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 21:23, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
I accept this change and when I first say it I was like “What just happened” :P. Anyway, maybe we can allow an option for users to change the header colour in their preferences page. In case people want to change the colour back. Idk it’s late where I am so...
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 21:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to be adding a preference option within the week, hopefully :)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:20, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I think it looks good and you can easily see the difference, but also the connection to the main page. I also hope ST will do the bespoken redirects now soon. I suggest to have a purple „declaration of independence“ ;-) at the wikis start page for a period of time, so every scratch wiki user gets it. What do you think about this idea and how could the design of that „independence information box“ look like?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:38, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I think we should have a disclaimer and privacy policy before we do that - by "declaring our independence" we are opening ourselves up to legal vulnerabilities unless we have those two. (BTW see #The header color is now a user preference option)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:52, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I like the change. I am even keeping the current color as i like it.

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:59, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── If that's the case, then good for you. :) I set my header color back to the original so that I can tell when I'm logged out - if it's the normal color I'm logged out, if it's my color I'm logged in.

@Jakel181: Eh, not a bad idea - I'll do that later.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:31, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

disclaimer + privacy policy ready before having an „independence information box“ at start page: yes, I agree + also DMCA + Imprint...seems still a lot to do
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:34, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Do we need a DMCA? I feel like that could be included in the disclaimer.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I think it should be put back to regular blue. The purple looks pretty bad in my opinion.
Best_at_scratch2507 (talk | contribs) 21:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

It looks like you didn't read the entire thread. We were required to change the header color; if you don't like it you can set it in your preferences.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
23:17, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Unsigned post

What do you do if you you see an unsigned post?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:14, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

You put {{Unsigned|USERNAME OF PERSON WITH MISSING SIGNATURE}} where their signature is meant to be.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 23:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:55, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes Done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:58, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Protected Page Edit Request

At Scratch Wiki Home/News
Add [[ja:メインページ/ニュース]]
At Scratch Wiki Home/Featured Article
Add [[ja:メインページ/注目の記事]]

Thank you!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 08:29, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes Done
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:34, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

The header color is now a user preference option

Since everyone was so suddenly shocked by the header color change, I have implemented a suggestion from #The new header color: You can now set the header color you want in Special:Preferences. Logged out users will still see the new color.

To set the color, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering, and enter any CSS color into the "Header color:" box, and click save. Your header's color will be updated accordingly.

Those who want to translate the "Header color:" string, please submit a pull request to the GitHub repository with a new/updated i18n/xy.json.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Cool!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Neat!

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:52, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Can someone make a color picker so it's easier to get a color thing?
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 00:51, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
I put something together to make it use a color picker. Does it work for you?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:51, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes it works. Thanks!
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 02:10, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Oh wow, I like the option to view it as vector now!
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 02:59, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

you can change the color in settings


NYCDOT (talk | contribs) I AM THE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:02, 15 March 2018 (UTC) 21:57, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

A Question

On this article in the external links it has a link to a discussion topic. Does that count as a external link?

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 17:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

No. It is only an external link if it leads to outside the Wiki, Wikipedia, or Scratch, so in this case, as it links to Scratch it does not need {{External Links}}.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 19:57, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
@DS, you misunderstood the question - there was a section named "External Links" at the bottom of the article which contained a single link to the subforum. Asqwde was asking whether that link should have been in an "External Links" section. It shouldn't have - so I've removed the section. Yes Done
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:26, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks both of you. In the future I will know I just wanted to check

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:57, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
@Kenny2Scratch Oh, okay. XD
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 15:48, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Some questions

Sorry for asking so many questions but here are some more:
1. Do Ew's / Admin have access to a private community portal? If not then how did the scratch team inform Kenny2scratch to change the header color as there was no comment on his profile?
2. Can pages protected as "indefinite" be unprotected?
3. How can you edit a page like preferences which is marked as special page as Kenny2scratch edited it when he allowed users to change the header color?
4. On the main website why is the link to the wiki in the footer still incorrect?
Sorry for all my questions :P

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 17:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

1. On the Wiki, we can see all the same content pages everyone else does. However, some of us do communicate with each other off-site. 2. Any page that has been protected can be unprotected at any time. 3. You can't edit it like a normal page. It requires either programming an extension or directly modifying the source code of MediaWiki. 4. That's just because the Scratch Team hasn't updated it yet.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:02, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Neh, I always ask questions haha
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 20:48, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks :P

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:56, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Deploying Huggle

Honestly, I have not seen so much vandalism on this wiki in forever. Huggle may help us fix these issues with less trouble. Huggle is basically software that undoes vandalism and unconstructive edits on those wikis that have deployed it. It may be better than just undoing and deleting revisions. Thoughts?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 20:58, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

How can it detect what is vandalism and what is harmless?
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 20:58, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
I know what Huggle is, and I honestly believe that a) it's unnecessarily powerful, it was made for a wiki where anonymous users can edit and b) it's not actually too hard to manually revert edits.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:58, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree with kenny2scratch

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 10:43, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
@Drunk Point, I believe it's a diff browser, so that means, uh, it shows rc? I don't know. @Kenneth a) Point, but we seem o be getting more and more vandalism. Firstly, [removed], then [removed]. Worse, it's in the space of less than a weel. b) Point.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 16:39, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Protect Page Edit (2nd)

Replace with User:Apple502j/Sandbox 2.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 11:56, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes Done - I edited it a bit before applying the changes, FYI.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

AbuseFilter Suggestion: Only Wikians can edit others' userpages

See the title.

Actually Wikians cannot, either, but there are some exceptions like "removing bad things". But abuse filter cannot check them, so I only restrict New Wikians. I also suggest to have {{permission}} template to detect if a page can be edited by any Wiki user. example: User:Apple502j/AbuseFilter
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 11:13, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Nice idea. Support!

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:20, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes Done Added by Kenny2scratch.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit23:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit protected page

on Scratch Wiki:elections where it says the note about the move in February 2018 shouldn't is say "appointed as bureaucrats" instead of "appointed bureaucrat"

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:26, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

No, it works perfectly well as it is currently.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 13:28, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
I changed it. It was unnecessarily wordy.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes Done
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 23:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Weird header

I had a weird header. A picture can be found here

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:41, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Did you use ?uselang=qqx? Those are the system message keys for the header text. If you weren't using qqx, what interface language do you have set?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:46, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
What do you mean? I din't change anything. The header just went blue and displayed that bu it is working now

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:48, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Fix request: collapsible table out-of-order

We cannot use collapsible tables now. I found what is bad: MediaWiki:Common.js. We cannot use addOnloadHook. Replace it with window.onload=function(e){createCollapseButtons();}; or window.addEventListener("load",createCollapseButtons);
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 09:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes Done
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

The header buttons are now all menus

Those of you logging onto the Wiki after now might notice there's suddenly a little dropdown arrow next to all the header buttons. Click on it, and you'll find out why - the buttons are now dropdowns! The Create dropdown has links to create a project and a page; the Explore dropdown has links to explore projects and the Wiki (via Special:Random); the Discuss dropdown has links to the forums, the Wiki CP forum topic, and the CP; the Tips dropdown has links to the Scratch Tips page and the Wiki FAQ; and the About dropdown has links to pages about Scratch and about the Wiki.

Since all of this really squashes the search bar, I made it so that when the search bar is focused, it expands and fills up all the space, so that when searching you can still see what you're typing. Defocusing the search bar (i.e. clicking away) will make it return to normal size.

Tell me if there are any bugs, and hope y'all like it!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:15, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I love it! The only thing I would fix is if it is possible, make the sentences into 1 line.
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)NYCDOT 16:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
I like it as well and I agree with NYCDOT :P

Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
"make the sentences into one line"? You mean break up this CP post into more lines?
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00:46, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Maybe:
Oneline-select-option.png
instead of
Manylines-select-option.png

Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 00:53, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Please wait for merging this patch...
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 01:25, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Merged. Should be fixed now.
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01:40, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Yep, that's what I meant. Thank you!
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 20:12, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Cool-cat-emoji.png Amazing!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:09, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Userspace creation speed

How often am I allowed to create userspace pages? Is there a limit, or can I create them as much as I like?
Hellounicorns2 (talk | contribs) 05:50, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

You shouldn't create them at all. This is a violation of the userspace policy. You may only create userspace pages under the circumstances that the user who created a page made a userpage under the wrong namespace, mainspace being the most common.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 09:39, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Sorry if I was unclear, I mean how often can I create pages on my own userspace? Thanks!
Hellounicorns2 (talk | contribs) 10:25, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
No limit.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 10:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Ok, thanks!
Hellounicorns2 (talk | contribs) 10:40, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Neh, my bad for misunderstanding. Anyway, thanks apple for ninja'ing me.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 18:35, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Does ninja’ing exist in the wiki too? :P
Hellounicorns2 (talk | contribs) 20:25, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
'pparently so.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,172)) 21:36, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Shop federations article?

Shop federations have become pretty big. While you could say that they do go under shop I personally think that they deserve an article to themselves. They have played an important part in scratch shops. The biggest one was the TSF FYI. In my opinion many shop federations, including a few of over 50 and 100 pages deserve a wiki page. I decided to ask here as that is debatable (I worded that terribly :P).
Hellounicorns2 (talk | contribs) 06:06, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

I am personally strongly opposed against an article for something like this, as it's a blatant S:NOSP violation. However, I would be okay with adding a section in shop and making titles related to "shop federation" redirect to that section.
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06:11, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. There is a shop federation section in the shop article already, however, but I don’t think a TSF link is necessary there.
Hellounicorns2 (talk | contribs) 06:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
50 to 100 Forum Pages isn't that many. My shop has over 550 pages. The English Wiki strongly prohibits user-generated content because we feel that this could impact the quality of the articles. Mentioning is was also contentious, but it is occasionally allowed.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 10:47, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Japanese Scratch-Wiki celebrated its 3rd anniversary on March 23rd

@Appel502i (+ All): Congratulations! :-)

P.S.: The anniversary-banner at ja: seems to shift to the left, if you have a big screen like I have.
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11:29, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Yeah! Now the wiki is 3rd largest (En,De,Ja)!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 12:18, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes, but it has already the most views of all wiki we are monitoring with Ernie's stat-bot, see:
I hope Ernie will set up google-analytics and his stat-bot also for the english scratch wiki soon, so we see, how many hits a day has the english scratch wiki. There stays lots to do concerning stat analysis.
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14:00, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Flipping through header menus is easier

Just an obligatory heads-up: if you have one header menu open and you hover over another menu's toggle, it automatically closes the one you had open and opens the one you hovered over. Enjoy!
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14:37, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

An alternative to “rejected”

The word “rejected” may upset scratchers. While I do not get upset by anyone saying I was rejected, some scratchers might, so maybe we could use another alternative when responding to account requests. We should use words like “not approved” or “sadly unaccepted”. These might not trigger scratchers as much as rejected. Any thoughts?
78ch3 (talk | contribs) 21:04, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Currently I leave the following message:
Hello, jvvg. Your Scratch Wiki account request was rejected because you did not follow the instructions at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:CONTRIB in your request. If you think you did follow the instructions or have any other questions, please read https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:WHYREJECT for more information. This decision is final and you need to submit another request if you still want an account (read the second link for more information).
What do you think about this revised one:
Hello, jvvg. Unfortunately, we could not accept your account request at this time because it did not meet all requirements at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:CONTRIB. If you're still interested in joining, please re-read that page and you will be able to request again in about a week. If you have any other questions, please read https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:WHYREJECT for a list of FAQ.

jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:18, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
+1
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
05:16, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
+1 and yes, that new one looks good :)
Hellounicorns2 (talk | contribs) 05:27, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
I've also changed my own message - from "was rejected" to "couldn't be approved" - @jvvg I like your message too.
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09:17, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
The new message looks good! So, when do you think this will be added?
78ch3 (talk | contribs) 20:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes Done
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01:49, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

How do you...?

How do you make a template? I'm planning on making a header template. Thanks! :)
PrincessFlowerTV (talk | contribs) 17:22, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Are you talking about something for userpages or for not userpages?
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 01:39, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Look at Help:Templates if you're planning on making the template for the main space. If you're making it for a userpage, make the template in a subpage and use {{/NAMEOFSUBPAGE}} to use it on your userpages. If you're going to use it not in your userpages (also I don't see why), you'll need to use the entire page name. For the "NAMEOFSUBPAGE" thing, but what the name of the subpage. (discluding the Username:(username).
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 01:56, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Swedish wiki?

I was just wondering if there was a Swedish Scratch Wiki, that’s it.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 15:25, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

If you want to make it, please join the Test Scratch-Wiki, which is for developers of new wikis.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 06:54, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Nope- not at the moment! :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 08:50, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Elections

Hello, I was wondering if anyone would agree that instead of having elections when the community says to, I think we should have one every November, like the US elections. Anyone agree?
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 19:38, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

the reason we have it this way is because we don't need elections often. users come and go - we can't predict when we will need new admins or bureaucrats. what benefit would having elections at specific times have?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:54, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
To put it more bluntly, we have elections whenever the admins feel like it. So when too many EWs go inactive, we hold an election for more so that we always have a certain amount active. Holding elections regularly would give us more EWs than we need or are willing to handle, so we only hold elections when we feel like it.
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07:31, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Ok, but one benefit we would have is if there is a wikian who is very experienced in this wiki but isn't a EW or a Admin, that wikian would have a chance to become either. Also, responding to what Ken said, I see what you are trying to say, but how about we have a restriction to only users who have made a certain amount of edits and/or how long they have been editing?
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 18:50, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
The purpose of elections and having admins isn't to reward users for being productive. We have those roles out of necessity so we can operate the Wiki effectively. We use elections so that the people we choose when we need new people to fill that role are trusted members of the community.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:54, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for explaining why we don't do it the way I suggested.
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 12:33, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

What is the Wiki's Security Vulnerability Disclosure Policy?

What is the Scratch Wiki's preferred method of reaching out about potential security issues (such as an email address, perhaps?).

Also, on a slightly separate topic, can admins view other users' preferences?
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 11:19, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

The preferred method should be email but we don't yet have an email address that can receive email, so I think for now the best method is via DM on Discord.
And I believe admins can only view others' emails and real names, if set (i.e. if you haven't set a real name or for some reason lost your email, we can't see them).
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11:53, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Archive

More than 125KB, should be archived
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 1,905edit 22:45, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes Done
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01:49, 1 April 2018 (UTC)