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Some Article Ideas for Everybody

 Done

These are some articles I'm thinking could be created. If anybody wants to give these a shot at making them, feel free! Also, it can be smart to write articles in your sandbox if it's incomplete and then create the article after you finish it in your sandbox. This reduces the number of stub articles in the mainspace.

• Adobe Flash Player - it's a fairly significant thing that's required for Scratch 2.0, but there is no article on it specifically. This article could provide info on what it is and details specifically on how to get it in different web browsers and operating systems.

• Computer - We already have some articles on computer science, such as Computer Science and Lag. They are somewhat related to Scratch, and so is a computer. It's the main device used to run Scratch. An article on it is probably a good idea. It can cover basic logistics of computers but it also needs to be linked to Scratch in some way. You could talk about the development of computers coinciding with the progress of Scratch.

•  Done - Defaults Library - Scratch has a built-in Costumes Library and Sprite Library and Sounds Library. I think maybe an article on this would be good.

•  Redirected - Jobs - the main Scratch website has a Jobs page linked in the footer. As to why I think this deserves an article, we already have an article for the Statistics Page, Privacy Policy, and Terms of Use. I think, though, rather than talking about the Jobs page it could probably talk about Jobs. Scratch is an employer so this could be a good article on that stuff.

•  Stub - Main Menu - It's part of most games, so we should probably have an article on it. What a main menu is and how to create one. Well we do have Creating a Main Menu but if we have an article on that an article on main menus in general is a good idea. You could even go outside of Scratch a bit and talk about main menus in NES games and such.

• Removing a Character from a String - fairly self-explanatory.

•  Done - Replicating a Multidimensional List - lists are 1D in Scratch. Just a list of items. In other programming languages you have multidimensional Arrays, so rather than have a list of say items 1-5, you may a have a list of items 1-5 but each of those items has a list inside of it. That'd be a 2D list. So basically you have lists inside of lists.

There are ways to "replicate" a multidimensional list with a 1D list. For example, if you want a list of 5 items and inside each item you want a list of 3 items, you can just pretend that the first 3 items in the list belong to the list items of the 1st highest dimension item in the list. I hope that makes sense. Like every 3 items it becomes a new item in a sense.

Then you can think outside of the box some. What if you don't want the same number of items in a list inside of an item? Well it requires some more complex logic then.

I also noticed the article Array does cover this some. But I think it would be possible to have a standalone article that goes way more in-depth.

•  Done - Saving a Project - An article on how to save a Scratch project. Whether it be saved online or how to download it to your computer and save it there. It should be documented.

•  Moved and redirected - Sound Recorder - An article on how to connect a mic to Scratch and record sound in the Sound Editor. It's not really documented now. Currently we do have the article Sound Recorder which documents a Scratch 1.4 feature. This could be moved to Sound Recorder (1.4) and then a new article Sound Recorder can be made to document recording in Scratch 2.0.

22:18, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

We came to the point that computer isn't relevant to Scratch.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

06:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm making the multidimensional list one in my sandbox now.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Done! I've put it at Multidimensional Arrays, but feel free to move it if you have a better title.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Nice!!
00:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! I am actually making a project that implements this on my testing account, so this article was more familiar to me to make.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ By the way, there is a section of one article that talks about the jobs available (Scratch Team#Jobs), although I agree it's a bit brief. I suggest we expand that section instead of making an article about it and have Jobs redirect to that section.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll create the Main Menu page really quick. It'll be basic, and won't have too much stuff (I'm not the best with wiki markup), but luckily you guys can edit it later. I'll just make a few description points and stuff like that.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 22:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I finished creating the Main Menu page. Wow, it was annoying trying to find a category, realizing I don't know what category to fit it into, creating a new category, creating a new category page, and then having to find a category for THAT page. I've marked it as a stub, though; it's not too complete, but it's still there.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

A quick note: I moved Main Menu to Menu (project) after a discussion between Duckboycool, WolfCat67 and I on the talk page. So yeah.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Seems like Downy did "Saving a Project"!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Jobs now redirects to Scratch Team#Jobs. If someone can either expand the section that would be great. Alternatively, someone could make a full-fledged article on it if they want and replace the redirect with that.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:48, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Sound Recorder now redirects to Sound Editor, and the original article has been moved to Sound Recorder (1.4). Now that all of these are done or rejected, this topic is finally  Done too!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  21:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

New (but small) template(s)

I have one template idea that I think will have much use: Username. Not to be confused with User, it is just a user page link instead of user page, talk, and contribs.

Example:

{{username|jvvg}}

Produces
jvvg

Two other complementary, but less needed, ideas are “talk” and “contribs” - [[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]] respectively.

Thoughts?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:14, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I like the idea however some users might not have their talk page linked on their userpage so it would make it harder access their it from a RC.
-Vuton- (talk | contribs) 10:33, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I’m not sure what you’re saying here - could you please rephrase/clarify?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:20, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, you know how most users have a header on their talk page? Some new users don't. If they made a edit and you wanted to talk to them about that edit, you wouldn't be able to get to their talk page from the RC's because that button is gone and they don't have it on their userpage either! Meaning you would have to manually type in the URL.
-Vuton- (talk | contribs) 20:19, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

How does that effect this? This is just linking to their talk and contribs page. Also, why wouldn't you be able to get to there from the RCs?
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 22:38, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Oh, Sorry! I misread the original comment! :P
-Vuton- (talk | contribs) 08:42, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Could you add it as a parameter option in {{User}}?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:15, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ That’s true!  Done.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  21:30, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Should we...?

 Done

Should we propose new changes to featured images?

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,483))

07:16, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Featured images haven’t changed since my 2000 edit mark. I say aye.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:34, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Suggestions?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 16:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

clicky
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 21:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

changed!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:37, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Removed Featured Project

This project, titled Metroid by a user (I dont know the name, was removed from the Featured projects bar for being a copy of a different project. Are we inputting this on the Featured Projects article?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:33, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Isn’t that like the opposite of sponsored by the ST? I say nay.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  20:57, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

But it's a significant event in Scratch's history. Right?
TheUltimatum (talk | contribs) 19:10, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Is this done?
bob1171 (talk | contribs) on the Community Portal. 20:40, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Scratch Camp Articles and what to do with them

 Done — the scratch camp articles are here to stay

• Collab Camp
• Creative Characters Camp
• Mix and Match Camp
• Scratch to the Future Camp
• Scratch Camp: Down Deep

What do the above articles all have in common? They are all about Scratch Camps. However, there is already an article about all of the Scratch Camps here. Since there is (usually) a Scratch Camp every year, that will result a lot of articles about just Scratch Camps in a couple of years. Plus, each of the articles say pretty much the same thing -- what the camp's theme was, who the counselors are, etc. I was wondering everyone's opinions on this:

What if all the separate Scratch Camp articles were deleted except the main one (Scratch Camps), and on Scratch Camps we kept the sections about each Scratch Camp, and added a new section to that article every year about the new Scratch Camp. This would prevent new unneeded articles about every single Scratch Camp.

Thanks for reading, and I'd really like to hear your opinion. Scratch on!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:58, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

I never saw why each camp should have its own article in the first place. Support.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah... As I said, they're pretty much saying the same types of things.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:49, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

No Support. The deep down article will be different once we actually edit it. We need to include the camp page and all the sections/ other notable occurrences. :) They are all Scratch Team sponsored which was why they got their own articles. I'm not sure though why "Happy Birthday Scratch" was never turned into an article...
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 12:52, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

@Makethebrainhappy: Scratch Camps#Scratch Camp: Down Deep already includes a part on what the sections/parts were about. (That's what you meant, right?) Anyway, we can just include the camp page on each section on the Scratch Camps article.

What do others think?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:29, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

This is still  Not done -- does anyone else have an opinion?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:08, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Support. The individual pages are short enough to be merged.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:44, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘No support. I'm with MTBH on this one. They are all ST sponsored, and should have their own articles. Also, in comparison, all the Scratch conferences have their own article, but are even shorter then the Scratch Camp ones.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 21:04, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

After reading all the discussions and doing a bit of research on my own, I think I'll have to withdraw my support..

First of all, the act of merging something is to condense information into one page, such that there aren't any Wiki pages that are simply a restatement of another. Since this was a request of a merge, I think ST support does not matter too much in this discussion. ST support hugely reflects if a page should exist or not, but not if it should be merged.

Secondly, the individual camp articles do have a bit more information than the page about Scratch Camps. While the Scratch Camps page only describes the purpose of the camp, its members and has a brief discussion on its rules, the individual camp articles elaborate on it more, talking about its rules, forums related to it, week-by-week activities, etc. I foresee more complicated camps that will exist, so having an article for each will be the best thing to do going forward.

I think the articles are fine as they are now.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:24, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

@Drunken_Sailor and @KrIsMa-- That is true I suppose. Also, I guess there's only one every year, so it wouldn't make too many articles with the same topic. @Drunken_Sailor, thanks for pointing out that all the Scratch conferences have their own article, I didn't notice that when I wrote this topic. And @KrIsMa, I did look back at the Scratch Camp articles and now I do agree with you guys that there is enough different content that each one can have it's own article. For example, in Mix and Match Camp, users created sprites and backdrops and more, and in Scratch to the Future Camp, users made futuristic sprites, and other futuristic stuff.

Also, I agree that there is a bit more information on each different Scratch Camp page, and if we combined all of that, it would end up as a pretty long article. I do think we should keep the Scratch Camps article though, just in case someone wants to see a list of all the Scratch Camps.

Thank you everyone for your opinions, and I think now I've changed my mind about what I personally think the fate of the Scratch Camp articles should be.

@Kenny2scratch, I'm not sure what your final opinion is after reading all these comments after you posted yours, and I'm not sure if there's anyone that still thinks the Scratch Camp articles should be merged. If you still think so and you have a good reason, you should probably post.

In my opinion this is  Done, but as I said above it still may be  Not done.

Again, thanks everyone for your opinions and have a great day. I'm glad we had a chance to discuss this.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:54, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

We need to add the specific activities from the deep down camp (each of the parts basically). We should also include that the camp was mentioned in the scratch video update, that some of the projects in the camp were featured, that the camp received a lot of attention on twitter, etc.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:34, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes. I think we have all come to the conclusion that the separate Scratch Camp articles should stay on the wiki, and therefore this is  Done. Thanks everyone for your opinions
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:21, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Change “new section” wording from “Comment” to “Add topic”

^^ - I occaisionally get new users commenting at the top of my talk, and I think if the wording was changed to “add topic” it would be more clear that that is the better way to comment on someone’s talk.

To do so, an admin needs to change MediaWiki:Addsection from Comment to Add topic.

Thoughts?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:20, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Maybe... How about "New topic"?

But I think "comment" explains it already...
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:59, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

I think you need to change that to "new topic".
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 17:15, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

It seems like “Comment” doesn’t get the message through that you use this to comment - so that’s why I suggested this. “New topic” seems fine too - but “comment” evidently isn’t.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay -- yes, I support "new topic."
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:14, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

+1
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 19:22, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

I changed it: tell me how you guys like it?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:40, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

 Looks good! I hope that will help users realize they should post at the bottom :)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  21:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks KrIsMa!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:43, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Image for Statistics not updating

Hello. This is my first edit. I updated the image for the statistics page so it had up to date info. It's been ten minutes and the image hasn't changed. Could someone tell me what's going on? Edit: Thanks guys! Clearing the cache worked
Macbookacer (talk | contribs) 05:29, 21 August 2017 (UTC) -macbookacer

You’ll need to clear your cache - Ctrl+F5 on Windows, ⌘ Cmd+⇧ Shift+R on Mac. Then the image should be updated.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:59, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Kenny2scratch is correct. If you are on Safari, then hold ⇧ Shift and press the refresh button. If you ever forget, or you want to learn more, you can go to this wiki page:

Help:Hard Refresh
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:35, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi there macbookacer! Please don't put your edit inside of my post... Thanks
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:00, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for editing it This is  Done now.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:12, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Upcoming Change of Account Request Guidelines

We were discussing changing the account request guidelines, so here is what I have come up with. In the old request system, you had to find an article on the Wiki to improve. We've realized most people have difficulty doing this, and the acceptance rate on the Wiki is really low. We thought an entire revamp would be best.

The way the new system works is using Scratch Wiki:Flawed Article. People who want to get an account are required to point out certain flaws on this article as well as say a couple things they would add to it. We believe this more accurately tests their ability to understand our guidelines, editing conventions, and how the Wiki works.

Any advise on improvements to the New Guidelines? If there are no complaints it'll be rolled out as soon as possible!
22:57, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Ooh, I like the idea of Scratch Wiki:Flawed Article!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:24, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

So I like the idea, but my thing is that the current way that people are currently doing it, I can easily tell which users deserve an account. The way you are suggesting gives them an article to look at and requires them to look for errors (yes, I have been watching you work on it). And some of those errors I dont think would be major errors in arcticles currently on the wiki. With your system, I dont think that we would see what weaknesses these users have. With these systems, there is no rocket. Your system tests the finding of the information of the user, not how much they can interpret instructions and search through many pages for errors, not just hunting possibly obvious errors on a given page. On the other hand, this gives users something to look at and find errors, and we can judge them based on how they think the extent of their work ethics need to be present. But I would love to see us try this system for a month or two. Because again, those statements up there are only an opinion, and not proven. The Wiki appreciates you putting your effort into this system. I would love to see how it works for a month or two.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 00:21, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Ok. That thing defines the meaning of flawed. I really want to see how this works. But can you please instruct us on how to judge this accounts like the Admin Guide?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 00:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

You would judge them based on if they pointed out 3 flaws and 2 things to improve or not. If they did and you know they have identified 3 mistakes and pointed out 2 legitimate things that should be added to the article, then accept. If a couple things are unclear or you can't fully tell what they are trying to point out, then a partial reject would be better. If there is a major lack of effort, or if they only point out one mistake, then full reject.

Also, I would like to note that I did not just make this out of the blue; jvvg and some other EWs/admins were in support of this idea, though the conversation just coincidentally happened outside of the Wiki, but now it's being brought here.

With our current system, even the people who do find an article to create/improve (which is like 20% of people) don't usually do a good job of it. I think our account request system is way too open. It's too free, people point out their weaknesses, they go find something to improve to create. There are a million possibilities.

With this new system, it will be different because it's more cut-and-dry, gritty, and exact. There is one single page and they have to find mistakes on that particular page. There is no "middle ground" anymore, it is merely whether they did or did not find mistakes.

And they should be able to. 3/12 options for finding mistakes and thinking of 2 things to add should not be difficult at all. It's more of a test of do they at least understand what the Wiki is (because half the people applying for a Wiki account think they're joining the Scratch Team on the main site or something). Also, we can still include a hidden word, I think I have "squishy" as the word.
13:16, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah. Apologies. I like the idea, but I think it should have the word too. I would support trying this system for a couple of months.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 14:19, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

I think that we should not cenger the box, bold it, put a must read sign, as the point of this is to see if users can find the directions and follow them without us enforcing that.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 14:22, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘You have a point but you can see it both ways. If it is how it is, I believe more people will see it and do the account requirements. It's all a question of how "tough" we want to be. I personally liked centering the box just because it looks a little less ugly honestly. But I'd be fine with removing the red flashing gif (which is actually on the current S:CONTRIB). I'm unsure if the flashing gif has so far resulted in less blank request notes.

Then again, on the actual page where you fill out the account request, we have a bunch of bolded red text saying how we can't stress how important it is to have read the stuff.
21:07, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I think everything is about all set. I have removed as much flashy stuff customhacker to put less emphasis on the box (though I still kept the shadow, I like my shadow). The new account request guidelines, just a reminder to everybody, will concern the following 3 things:

• Scratch Wiki:Flawed Article
• User:Turkey3/New Guidelines
• User:Turkey3/New Admin Guide

The "New Admin Guide" is just slightly tweaked to reflect the new system. If there are any final changes you guys think need done, please speak up. Also, the hidden word is still part of the guidelines. "Squishy" will be the word, and it specifically says to put it at the end of the account request. Once I get the go from the other EWs and admins I'll implement the changes.
01:35, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

You have my go.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 23:47, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Actually I'm going to check with scmb1 beforehand.
00:25, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Probably a smart idea.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 01:26, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

 The new request system is in place - I've noticed waaay fewer accepted requests :(
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:38, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

I will be out for a few days

I'll be in Singapore for this weekend, and I don't expect much wifi. If there's anything that you need an active user for, find someone else (maybe WolfCat67 again :P). If it's something that only I can take care of or answer, you'll have to wait until Monday. Admin issues, as always, should be taken care of by (guess what?) an admin.

That's all, I think. See you in three days!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:15, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

one of my scratch friends is from singapore! Anyway, I hope you will have fun!
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 10:58, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Ok, Have a good time! :P
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 14:26, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Have fun, see you later :)!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:30, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Have fun, see you later :)!

This message was brought to you by the totally original message system, and definitely not;
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 00:45, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

They have said that they are back, so  Done, I guess...
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 15:43, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I asked on Discord for this to be marked  Done.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:44, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Change the style for code elements

Currently code looks like this; newest versions of MediaWiki have code looking like this. This is an improvement - the border differentiates from a possibly identical background and font to show that it's supposed to be code, and the text is slightly padded for extra goodness.

To change the style, the following needs to be inserted into MediaWiki:Common.css:

code {
    color: #000;
    background-color: #f8f9fa;
    border: 1px solid #eaecf0;
    border-radius: 2px;
    padding: 1px 4px;
}
pre, code, tt, kbd, samp, .code {
    font-family: monospace,'Courier';
}

Thoughts? And if we agree to make this change, could an admin edit MediaWiki:Common.css and add that? Thanks.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree. The only thing I could see in the code was the font change, which I would assume was added in for emphasis manually. Edit conflicts, my old friend.
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 13:14, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree as well. It would be nice if we updated this to also include syntax highlighting maybe similar to that of the forums?
TheUltimatum (talk | contribs) 18:59, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

@TheUltimatum Syntax highlighting would have to be included in an extension, which is much more difficult to add than a simple interface edit.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:18, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

About "user-generated content" and Scratch Mods

I've noticed that though "user-generated content" is not allowed by wiki guidelines (barring the culture exceptions), there are quite a few articles dedicated to mods. We have Insanity (Scratch Modification), Snap!, and BeetleBlocks, to name a few.

These are obviously user-generated - all of them are created by users on Scratch and none are sponsored or QA-ed by the Scratch Team. However, I feel like these don't constitute culture exceptions to S:NOSP like Kaj and Removed Pac-Man Project do - they don't feature as prominently in the community as actual culture exceptions do, and New Scratchers aren't going to come wondering "what is Snap?" any more than "who was Kaj?". In other words, mods don't really count as culture exceptions, and by that train of thought they violate S:NOSP.

The question is, what do we do about this? We have a few options:

• Keep those mod articles but don't make any more
• Delete the mod articles and any others that follow
• Add modifications as an exception to S:NOSP and keep those mod articles

So:

1. Do you agree that mod articles violate S:NOSP?
2. If so, what do you think our best course of action on them is?
2. If not, why not?

With that, discuss!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:27, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Interesting point. Personally I will say that they maybe should get an exception since;

1. The articles have already been made and polished, so it would be a lot of work to be thrown out.
2. They are different from specific things like a project or user since they add new blocks and functions, which can be worth documenting their purpose.

That being said, they are user generated, so this really should get some more discussion. Let's just wait for the community consensus.
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 13:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Actually, now that I think about it mods should have their own documentation on their own websites, and not on the wiki. That way if people need documentation they can find it from a more official source - the mod developers themselves. However, I know these articles are already cut-and-dried - that's why I included "Keep those mod articles but don't make any more" as an option.

So my suggested course of action is: Keep the articles, but if someone tries to create a page for another mod, delete it and tell them to make the documentation on the mod's own website, not the wiki.

Other opinions are still welcome! This discussion is far from over.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:56, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I feel like I brought this up in an earlier discussion. I feel like they should be deleted - and in this discussion we may need to include isOnline again.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 14:38, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I really don't see a need for them. As much as they are popular and helpful, We are basically just putting ads for them on the site.
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 17:26, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

@Customhacker we're NOT bringing isOnline into this discussion - I'm talking about Scratch Mods, not website extensions.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:12, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Well it does modify the website in some way - and it does have to be downloaded. Not trying to argue here. We can also find a way to put them in a userspace if people still need them.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 14:59, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Should we make an article about the new way to feature projects?

so there's this studio now, and it's an official scratch team thing. Should we make an article about it?
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 15:23, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

No, there is already a section about it in Featured Projects.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 15:43, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

oh.  Forget I have created this section at all.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 16:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

xD
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 17:30, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

NEW Guidelines for Writing an Account Request are Implemented!

Attention (mostly EWs and admins)! After talking with scmb1, both she and @ceebee liked the idea for the new guidelines for writing an account request. Scmb1 had a few recommendations I have implemented. As we have had discussions on this already and we all were pretty much in agreement, and since I have scmb1's go, these changes are now official. So the account request system is no longer "find an article to create or improve" - instead it is now the Flawed Article system.

New guidelines: S:CONTRIB

New Admin Guide: Scratch Wiki:Become a contributor/Admin Guide

Flawed Article: Scratch Wiki:Flawed Article
20:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I love this new system! Really well done Turkey3! :D
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 21:09, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Awesome!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:52, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Read and Understood - will take sometime to get used to.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 01:38, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

I am practically already used to it since I've just been talking about it for so long. But I do think that this is a good improvement since it revolves around actions rather than what they say, while at the same time, not being too harsh or difficult on those who may have never been on a wiki. I'm interested to see where it will go, and how it'll do. And I'm sure that the Admin Guide will be a good change as well. When you realize that you just wrote a novel about the new request system.
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 22:41, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

 I think this is done now — it's been almost a month
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:20, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

The Lonely Images Directory!

so I recently have created The Lonely Images Directory, which is a place where I will put images that would be great on the wiki, but right now can't be added without major changes to articles or creating new articles. If a user wants to find an image for a new article, they could search in the directory and find the image they need. If you want to help me with this directory, you can find info in the directory on how to do so. Anyway, I just wanted to show you this directory and to see what you think about it.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 17:28, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

You realize you can also just upload them and let people use Special:UnusedFiles?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:34, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

oh.  Why do I make useless topics so much
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 15:44, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

A suggestion for two new templates (and this time, this idea might be good.)

So, I have an idea for two new templates that the wiki could have. Well, not really new. I'm talking about User:Customhacker/Inactive Template:

Community_Portal will be inactive from MM/DD/YY to MM/DD/YY due to the fact that they are on vacation. Currently, the best place to contact them is on their talk page.

and User:Yzyzyz/template:normal skin:

note: my userpage and talk page were edited and meant to be viewed in the Default skin, so please try to use it when viewing my page.

These two templates are very good in my opinion, and they even have documentations. My idea is to include them on the wiki in a normal template form. what do you think?
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 11:18, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I believe this came up somewhere about userspace templates, and it was said no - but I forget the reason.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 23:15, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I personally don't think they should be added because (as Customhacker said) they're userspace templates. If someone wants to use them, they can just go to User:Customhacker/Inactive Template and User:Yzyzyz/template:normal skin in my opinion.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:38, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about Unsigned.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 23:15, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

We agreed multiple times in previous topics that userspace templates should remain userspace templates - if you want to use them, just use the userspace link. Especially templates like these are purely cosmetic - you could make your own "I'll be inactive" message in your status, and I literally used my own header template to say my userspace is best viewed in vector.

I don't think that userspace templates should ever become templatespace templates - they are meant solely for userpages, meaning editing a user template in templatespace (which would be totally allowed) would basically be partially editing the userspace of multiple people (which is totally NOT allowed).

I'd find all the topics rejecting userspace templates as templatespace templates but I'm lazy
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:30, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

ok...  I need to thing about what I suggest more...
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 13:47, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Admins & EWs

Could you please go through Category:Pages in Need of Deletion and delete the pages in there? Some of them have been there for quite a while.

Thanks!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:51, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done by KrIsMa
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:11, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

References and spaces

 Done

Hi everyone! Sometimes when I'm editing a page, I see this:

This is a random sentence. ^{[citation needed]}

Or this:

This is another random sentence. <ref>testing 123</ref>

Now, since on most articles there is no space there, I usually just remove the space, and make it like this:

This is a random sentence.^{[citation needed]}

But I'm wondering if I should be removing the space there (is it supposed to be there?). On most pages the space isn't there, so that's why I do it, but I just would like to know how it's supposed to be. In my opinion everything should be consistent across the wiki (even small things like spaces).
Thank you for reading!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:18, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

This is such a trivial matter to make such a large topic for...

As I recall, the standard is (sentence)(punctuation)(ref/cn)(space)(next sentence) - i.e. this is an inaccurate sentence.^{[citation needed]} this is the next sentence.

So what you've been doing is correct. Keep on keepin' on.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:39, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

 Alright then, thank you
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Shall we upgrade MediaWiki?

MediaWiki has now hit version 1.29 - and we're still on 1.22. I suggest (and I do not suggest this lightly) that we upgrade our MedaWiki version to 1.29 - here's some stuff about that:

Pros:

• Newest features (changelogs: v1.29, v1.28, v1.27, v1.26, v1.25, v1.24, v1.23)
• Some changes that we need now would be included in the upgrade
• Many bugfixes

Cons:

• Upgrading is difficult, so the entire wiki would be down for a few days
• Some backwards-incompatible changes (mostly API changes), meaning older bots will be broken

Despite the cons, and because of the pros, I think we should upgrade. Shall we?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:49, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't know anything about media wiki, so IDK...
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 10:25, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

What new features are available that we need?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 12:20, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

v1.29, v1.28, v1.27, v1.26, v1.25, v1.24, v1.23.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:40, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

care to elaborate on "Some changes that we need now would be included in the upgrade"?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:56, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

What do we need of these? What portion of this is so important that we need?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 02:35, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I did a quick skim through the pages, but nothing in particular caught my eye. There have been a lot of changes, and I'm sure that we should update it at some point, but I do think it will help others if you give a quick run-through of what you think are the most important changes for why we should update the MediaWiki. After all, it does seem to work pretty well as of right now.
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 12:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with others — in my opinion, we should only update it if we know there's something in a new version of MediaWiki that we really need or will help us edit a lot. I think we're fine with the current version of MediaWiki, but if there is something in one of the newer versions that we need, I think maybe we should update it. (As long as everything won't break :P)
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:20, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I was mostly thinking of API changes - some features exist (such as action=query&meta=tokens) that don't for this version.

However, I see that we don't need an upgrade yet - I'll mark this as  Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:33, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

new template idea

My idea is: {{Template:User on scratch}}. basicly, it links to a user on the main site, so when you type in yzyzyz (or any other user), it produces yzyzyz. what do you think?
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 15:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

In my opinion I don't think it's needed, since it isn't that hard to write [https://scratch.mit.edu/users/yzyzyz/ yzyzyz], but that's just my opinion.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:52, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

We also have the User template, so why not this one? I would also suggest that you could make switches for Talk, Userpage, Scratch page, etc.
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 16:51, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

cool idea! however, it is very specific and of limited use - mostly only used on talk pages. don't think it is needed.

the benefit for the user template is it lists out contributions and everything that is required for a signature - saves effort! the user template is easily replaced with a copy and paste link.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:16, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Since I don't think this would be good on its own (remember, my "username" template idea got merged as a switch for "user"), I'll add this as a switch for "user" - "scratch".

{{user|Kenny2scratch|scratch}} produces Scratch profile
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:39, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

cool! I think this is  Done.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 08:29, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

TemplatesFTW now has a new function

My bot will now semi-automatically de-1st/2nd-personify articles. Its edit process is:

1. Get a list of random pages (length chosen by me).
2. For each one, if it contains a word as specified in its configuration, it pops up a dialog box for me to edit the page with. Each instance of a first/second-person word is highlighted with a Unicode FULL BLOCK character - █
3. I make changes to the article as needed, then press OK (or press Cancel if the usages are legitimate).
4. The bot submits the edit (minus the full block characters).

The reason this is semi-automatic (if they're not obvious):

• Rewording a sentence is something only humans can do, because grammar is weird and context needs to be taken into consideration
• There might be perfectly legitimate uses for such words - such as in links like Build Your Own Blocks

On a side note, it's a little disappointing that roughly 3/5 articles (chosen at random) have first/second person...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:56, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, that's cool! I think this will definitely help the wiki.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:03, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Bigpuppy! I'll tell you fortunately that recently, it’s definitely been doing its job. There is starting to be fewer pages that need to be de-1st/2nd-personified, Even though there are still articles that include it, It's doing a great job, great idea Ken! Recently, I have been pressing random page and out of 10 pages, there was only about 3 that had first/second person! :)
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 19:16, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Yay, I'm glad it's working :D. Don't worry, there are still a bunch more.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:28, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done (I think)
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:11, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Update to the Scratch News

 Done

There's a new Scratch Design Studio, iirc this goes on the Scratch News: https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/4228332/
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:23, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Ooh, I didn't know there was a new SDS! Neat.
ᙡᗝᒪFᙅᗩT67 ( Talk | Contributions | Subpages ) 17:56, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Nice!
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 17:57, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

It just came out (yesterday, I think?).
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 18:12, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello? EWs? Admins?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:37, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

 Done

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:48, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi there! It says "The Scratch Team has released a new Scratch Design Studio! Its description states:" but doesn't say anything after that. Could you fix that? Sorry for bugging you
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:22, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ missed this. fixed  Done
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:00, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday!

Hi everyone! It's time for another fresh, wacky, Wiki Wednesday! This is an event where we as a community come together to pick a good article, and showcase it to the rest of Scratch.

Everyone is allowed to suggest an article. What should we feature?

Note, the article should have good content, and be written well. Bonus points for images!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:06, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

This?
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 08:32, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

How about Project?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:33, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Maybe Help Page?
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 14:46, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Actually, how about Tips Page? (Ugh edit conflict )
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:51, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

How about this click
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:44, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Or maybe Removed Pac-Man Project?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:20, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘How about New Scratcher Status?
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 11:51, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Tips Page or (()_mod_())
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 18:20, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

We could do the featured projects page
Macbookacer (talk | contribs) 19:25, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

I think that Tips Page would be a pretty good one. Good for timely information.
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 23:40, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for the suggestions! The tips page looks a little unfinished so I'll go with the New Scratcher Status page :) Thanks everyone! -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 10:00, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Okay, cool!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:53, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Alright then!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:46, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Done
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 06:58, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

So inactive...

The inactive monster ate me, I am so inactive on the wiki! xD so sorry guys, I'll try to be more active, the thing is, I have so many things o take care of like animation series, voice acting etc.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 22:38, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I think there's a much bigger time taker here. School.
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 01:00, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, my activity has dropped to a record low (and that's saying something) purely because I'm not able to be on 24/7 anymore.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:10, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ken *cough* Insomnia nights *cough*
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 08:58, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Not anymore! Not with school on like red dawn.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:10, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorted out my in-activeness, (Ken.....)  Done
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 08:06, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

My first mainspace edit!

My first mainspace edit! Finally, after six months of being on the wiki!

I keep on finding pages that have a lot of "you" on them, please try to help me depersonalizing them!

Im trying to change it to "The user" "One" things like that, and editing it to make more sense, I finally found my job on the wiki! xD

Just keep on pressing 'random page'

Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 05:04, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to be a bummer, but that's literally part of TemplatesFTW's job. But do fix what you find anyway. It still helps because Ken would have to go through them anyway, and the bot could miss it, or just not land on that page since it uses random page.
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 13:24, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Nope - I already know, I'll still be a backup.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 01:56, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Deleting this page

Can someone please delete this page: https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/ICreatedThisPageCauseINetworkBannedFromScratchByeGuys
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 02:53, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done by Turkey3
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:52, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Ken!
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 05:48, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Um Turkey3 did it - I'm not an EW or admin...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:15, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I thought something was up xD I was going to ask have you would have deleted it xD
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 08:16, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I need some help

This page here is extremely personified, I need some help: https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Curator_(studio)
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 08:39, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

 Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:25, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

We need to empty Special:LonelyPages

All of the pages in Special:LonelyPages are not linked to from anywhere inside the wiki - though it is difficult in some cases, could everyone try to link to them from some places? Thanks.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:03, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

We'll try! That's a good idea, sad lonely pages xD
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 19:03, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I did it recently: That's why Impersonation isn't lonely anymore.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 13:23, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

So, it'd be classified  Done right?
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 19:30, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

No, that's only one page. This is still  Not done.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

What is the Wiki's discord?

Hey

I've noticed that the Wiki has a discord - what is it?

Thanks,
Djhumphreys (talk | contribs) 19:47, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Hey! As I just got invited to the discord, I'll be glad to tell you. Discord is a online voice chat app where you simply can make an account, and then you are away. The wiki uses discord for (I believe) contact with one another, and to talk about the discussions they have to make. Most of the EW's and admins use it (I believe I explained that right xD)
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 19:51, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct, however, currently, there are no Bureaucrats on the Discord server.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 20:33, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot, xD
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 20:45, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

It's fine XD
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 21:28, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

The Discord server specifically is not anything official, it's completely outside of the Scratch Wiki. Linking to it here or on Scratch is against the community guidelines, so the only way to join this (again, I repeat, totally separate from Scratch) Discord is if you know a Scratch user outside of Scratch and are able to share them the join link from there. So with that said, a user on the Discord server can break the community guidelines and we can't punish them on the Wiki - it's totally separate.

And there are no rules pertaining to Scratchers or Wiki members associating with one another outside of Scratch or the Wiki, as long as they are able to contact each other through a means other than sharing links, emails, etc. on Scratch.
22:52, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah. I've been using Discord for a while now too. It's actually a really handy thing!
djhumphreys (talk | contribs)

Should we move some long, not done topics to S:CPND?

I have noticed recently that the CP takes a long time to load. Ok, that may be normal. However, I have found that there are a lot of  Not done topics at the top of the CP, that still need a lot of discussion, but are pretty inactive and are taking up a lot of space. So why don't we move some of these to S:CPND? It's where those kind of topics are meant to be. Plus, it'll pretty much give us a clean slate once we next archive, rather than having 10 topics at the top that stay there and take forever to load. What do you think?
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 21:40, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Personally, I think we should, because on the wiki we need pages to be quick to load on any computer - It depends if you're computer is slow or not.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 21:54, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I also think we should. Sometimes I check those topics to see if anyone's replied to them, but usually no one has. It will greatly reduce the load time of the CP, because sometimes when I'm trying to look at one person's edit it takes a while to load
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:09, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, is anyone allowed to move topics to Not Done or just EWs/admins? I'm guessing anyone but I could be wrong.

(Edit: It looks like anyone can)
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:12, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Yep, it does
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 23:29, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Should we move them over or wait for someone else's opinion
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:35, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

I think we should wait for more opinions, before going ahead with it, just to make sure.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 23:43, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Yes, that's probably a good idea
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:45, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Yep, agreed
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 23:51, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for agreeing with me! But yeah, we should probably wait for a couple of Admins to reply.

when you get an edit conflict with yourself...
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 09:09, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm no admin (though you know who I am), but I believe anyone can move any topic with {{not done}} to S:CPND without any prior warning, especially if it's been not done for a while.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll start doing it then
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:56, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Great!
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 23:59, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

I've moved a bunch — I think it's enough but if you see another then you can move that too

(what happens if S:CPND gets really full and laggy too? :P)
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:17, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Puppy... xD your thinking to much into it, but what if that does happen 0-0
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 01:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Awesome! It definitely is quicker to load now.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 17:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done, then?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:56, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Yep! I would classify this as  Done myself, but Its up to you guys - Drunken_Sailor only suggested moving some of them to try make it faster: Not all of them. But - Users can still move some.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 20:38, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Question about License

Hello! I have some questions. FAQ says that Everything in Scratch Wiki is licensed under Public-Domain, but this wiki has a lot of Scratch screenshots. Actually, they are licensed under CC-BY-SA-2.0, not Public Domain.

1. What is the correct license? Which is wrong, I or FAQ?
2. What is the license of Scratch 1.4's screenshots?

--
Apple502j (talk | contribs) 00:44, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, it's called the 'scratch wiki' and not just a normal wiki, but, I don't really know much about licenses so don't count on it.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 01:11, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

I think it's a very good question and it's possible that you are right and the FAQ is wrong. For me it's important to find out more about license stuff because I run the servers for all international Scratch Wikis excluding the English one and so, in the end, I'm responsible. I hope that Fair_use helps us in many cases but it's a complicated matter and also dependent on the law of different countries. Perhaps the thing that helps us the most until now (since 2012 when we started the DACH-Scratch-Wiki) is the German saying "Wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter"
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 13:08, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

The FAQ is generally referring to user-created content, like writing or artwork.

With non-user-created content, we get into sticky territory. See Licensing Concepts under Wikipedia:Software Screenshots.

Basically, screenshot rights are dictated by the program that it is of. We can often avoid/sidestep that due to "fair-use" and lenient "terms of use". However, that doesn't mean Google is able to use Epam's logo for profit, as would be the case if "Everything in Scratch Wiki" is public domain.

Knowing this, the screenshot license should be "CC-BY_SA-2.0", but we might have an implicit agreement with the ST to be able to share under a different license, "public domain". I will check up on that.

Fun fact: The German wiki is under "CC BY-SA 4.0".
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:50, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

wrgsfhwbxvb

Should I create a page about the first ever user? (wrgsfhwbxvb)
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 15:13, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Probably not, as it's a direct violation of S:NOSP. Also, you will need a lot of citations and references, and I can't seem to find any proof that this user existed whatsoever.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 15:27, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't, In the wiki guidelines - It mentions briefly that the mentioning of any user in article is bending the editing rules, let alone a whole article on one user. Even if it wasn't bending the rules: you probably wouldn't be able to find enough information for a page.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 18:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

No- as they probably weren't a legitimate user.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:53, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree with purplewolves that you wouldn't be able to find enough info— what would the page contain? I also don't think you should make a page about a user.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:03, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

I think its decided then, please restrain yourself from creating the page,
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 01:06, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done (?) If anyone has any other opinions you can post them though and re-mark it as not done
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Okay!
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 18:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

There is one piece of evidence that wrgsfhwbxvb was the first ever user. Search it up.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 19:08, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

No English Wiki Wednesday Article?

^ See above
Chibi-Matoran (talk | contribs) 23:40, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Maybe the Scratch Team wanted to showcase articles from other languages instead of English articles? Their decision is fine with me — I actually think it's a pretty good idea. Maybe we'll get to do the next one.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:16, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Bigpuppy, It's a nice idea - There's different people with different languages.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 01:53, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Wait, I'm confused. Don't they always showcase articles from other languages?
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 01:25, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Hmmmm... Interesting topic.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 20:34, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

@Duckboycool — Yes, they do. But this time they didn't showcase an English article. I think it was a good idea though, as it gives more attention to the non-English wikis.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:03, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Agreed,
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 21:14, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Bigpuppy, yeah I knew that. I was just wondering how it could be a good thing that they skipped out on the other languages. After all, removing English from it doesn't give much more attention to other languages, but rather leaves people who are only interested in the English wiki without an article. (As most people interested in the English won't necessarily be interested in the others.) It is definitely not a big deal, just I found it weird that there wouldn't be an English page.
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 12:53, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I believe that this is  Done..?
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 16:58, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

You should ask user:LiFaytheGoblin aka de:user:LiFaytheGoblin aka https://scratch.mit.edu/users/LiFaytheGoblin/, because she is responsible for wiki Wednesday. I believe it's so simple, that she was no aware of a fitting suggestion for an English wiki Wednesday article at the time https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/277891/ was due. If that was the real reason, we should think about a system to make sure that there is always a suggested article in all scratch-wikis (all languages) and also some alternatives in case there is a "last moment reason" that prohibits that article from being chosen. An idea could be, to create an article like Wiki Wednesday Article Choice (working title) with Interwiki-Link to all wikis, that contains a list of suggestions where the topmost article will be the "article of choice" for the next wiki Wednesday. Also Wiki Wednesday Article Choice could provide other information like the last Wiki-Wednesday-Articles etc.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 12:56, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps we could have Scratch Wiki:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions as page to suggest articles?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:07, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi everyone! I just didn't put an english article in there because I didn't get a submission. Or did I miss it? Anyway, I am working on a new way for admins to submit wiki wednesday articles, so hopefully submissions will work better in the future! This new way of submitting will not affect the discussions on the community portal at all tho! -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 17:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

@Ken That sounds like a great idea!

@LiFaytheGoblin There was no suggestions article at all.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 16:03, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

This is my mistake! I missed the Wiki Wednesday email, and hence there was no submission.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:49, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Should Scratch Wiki:News Updating be changed?

Should this page be changed? I'm sure that the EWs know they're not supposed to update the FPCs on the Scratch News, but still—in my opinion—it'd be nice for it to be updated (it still says that EWs can update the FPCs)
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:51, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I think it should be changed, Because, Is it really needed anymore; since all the bots do that stuff?
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 01:51, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I also think it needs to be changed.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 09:46, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

+1 on this :P
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 16:32, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

+1
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 19:31, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

+1
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:24, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why it shouldn't exist. EWs can edit it - I don't see your point?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:31, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @KrIsMa: WM updates the FPCs automatically now, and updating them manually breaks that. EWs and admins can still add other news items, but updating the curators manually breaks automatic curator announcements.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:22, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes. This is what I meant — shouldn't we remove/change the part about changing the FPCs?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:52, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:31, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)== Any pages I can create? ==

 Done Are there any pages that need to be created?
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 15:24, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Not that I know of at the moment...
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:30, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Usually people will just create a page that they think should be created themselves. Thanks for the offer though! :)
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 20:37, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Is there any way to delete old file versions?

My logo (File:Bigpuppy_Logo.png) has so many old versions, and I'm guessing it takes up space? Is there any way to delete old file versions? I'm guess you could delete the whole image and then remake it, right? But is there a better way to do it? Thanks
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:39, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

idk

this post didn't help lol

tbh I don't think there is.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 15:41, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

I think there isn't.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 15:42, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay... I might just make a whole new file for it and put {{delete}} on the old one. Thanks though!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:34, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Can confirm! There isn't that option.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:44, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

 Okay, thanks! This is done now.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:45, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

FYI, deleted files still take up space, since admins can undelete them too. So deleting versions wouldn’t help - only not uploading versions will keep the file size down.

That being said, the reason why we try to make the current version smaller in size is so that pages that use it don’t take as long to load.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:14, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Ah. Thanks!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:22, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

new page idea: scratch wiki:humor

I don't know about the english wikipedia, but the hebrew wikipedia has a page that's called "wikipedia:humor". In this page, people can put parts of talk pages or edit summaries that are funny, and other people can look at them, laugh, and feel better. I think that the scratch wiki also needs to have a page like this. Any opinions?
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 15:48, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Nice idea.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 16:06, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Really, what's the point? We're a professional encyclopedia for all things Scratch, so what good would becoming a meme directory do?
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 16:32, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

It's about things FROM THE WIKI. No more.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 16:34, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't seem a good idea...
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 21:11, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but still, what would becoming a directory for all memes Scratch do? As I stated before, we are a professional encyclopedia; what good would this do to the average Scratcher looking for information?
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 07:45, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Have you not seen my talk page?

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Being a professional encyclopedia does not mean we can't relax once in awhile. Having this might even remind people that we editors are human beings, who can break under stress and do well in arbitrary conditions.

However, I'm wondering whether this could constitute the same thing as the AF pages...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

don't think it should be under the scratch wiki mainspace though - seems like that namespace is solely reserved for important things about the wiki - not userspace-like pages.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:24, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Ken, It would be suitable as a AF in my view.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 01:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Obsolete Drum Block article

I would like to create an article on this block play drum (10) for (10) beats :: obsolete. Starting with this info "In the switch from Scratch 1.4, which was entirely offline, to Scratch 2.0 online and offline, some of the drums were not available in flash/browsers. To deal with that, there are two versions of the drum block. The obsolete one is the one that was used in Scratch 1.4 projects." but I am not sure if this is enough info to build an article off of.
Scratchydude1 (talk | contribs) 11:57, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

You could add the info to Play Drum () for () Beats.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok, but where should I add it into the article?
Scratchydude1 (talk | contribs) 12:06, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

You could add a new section! Maybe named "Obsolete Version" with {{obsolete feature}} at the top :)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:19, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I see you  Did that already :D
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:31, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

A new page for Wiki Wednesday article suggestions

So, as discussed above, there wasn’t an English Wiki Wednesday article because they received no submissions. I suggest that we have Scratch Wiki:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions as a page for people to suggest articles - not just before WW, but all the time. Then, when WW comes around, Lifays can just look at that page for suggestions.

Sound good?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:22, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

+1
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 08:05, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. It would make it easier to suggest Wiki Wednesday articles.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:28, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

+1

[INSERT THUMBS UP EMOJI HERE]
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 20:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

sounds good!
Scratchydude1 (talk | contribs) 21:32, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

+1

+1
Bob1171 (talk | contribs)

Also gonna add a +1 here. Also, Drunken Sailor, here's your emoji: 👍
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 01:59, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

+1
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 06:55, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Seems like the support is pretty unanimous! I’ll make it now :D
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:35, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay! Looks like this is  Done then?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 13:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I like the idea of having a separate place to suggest articles, like this previous suggestions don't get lost. However, I don't feel like chosing an article myself - it would be better if the community decides, plus I'd have to read lots of articles I guess if I were to chose. And imagine how much time that would be in all languages? SO: extra page for suggestions, yes, great! BUT: Please do me the favor of chosing an article and submitting it. I made a google form available for the admins, so they can submit everything there easily. I hope this makes sense? Greetings & open for discussion -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 21:31, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

It makes sense, and I see the form.

We can still use both solutions. The Scratch wiki editors will curate and maintain a list of ~5 articles that can be used for Wiki Wednesday, and then every Wiki Wednesday, I'll pick one of the articles and submit it to the spreadsheet.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:00, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay! Thanks LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs)!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Seems good! This is how it'll work then.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:14, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Is there a category that lists pages in need of citations?

 Done
There isn't one at Category:Pages_in_Need_of_Citations but is there one somewhere else? If not, I think there should be one.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 18:48, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

I believe there's Category:Inaccurate Articles...?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:37, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah, that's it.

 Thanks.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:26, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Archive

I belive the community portal should be archived now.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 17:16, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

The threshold for archiving is 125K bytes... currently it's only 97,378 bytes.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:39, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

ohh... I didn't know that
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 16:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

It takes me a while to load.
bob1171 (talk | contribs) on the Community Portal. 19:08, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Yup. Same here. I only suggested the archive because it was getting pretty long.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 16:38, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Same. I use two different browsers, Firefox and Chrome, both of them take along time to load.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 04:38, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Logo

Should I create a page about the Scratch Wiki Logo?
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 16:07, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't think it's a big enough thing to have it's own page. Maybe you could add whatever information you were going to add to Scratch Wiki instead of making a new page?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

If you want to add stuff like copyrights or file usage rights, you can go to the file description page and edit that; otherwise, yeah, just add the info to a new section on Scratch Wiki.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:32, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay!
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 15:23, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:17, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Yep, I would say its done.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 04:36, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Pi day logo, maybe?

I know that pi day is not soon at all, but I suggest that we will make a scratch wiki logo for pi day, when it comes.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 14:44, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't know. I think we should just keep the logo on pi day.
bob1171 (talk | contribs) on the Community Portal. 15:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

idk either.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 15:22, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Late I don't know as well, Maybe we should keep it the way it is.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 07:36, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday #19!

Hello everyone! It's time for another wub-tastic Wiki Wednesday! For those new to the tradition, this is an event where we as a community get to pick an article and share it with all of Scratch.

Feel free to make suggestions in Scratch Wiki:Wiki Wednesday Suggestions. On Monday, I will pick an article from the list, and share it with the Scratch Team.

The only recommendations are that the article is informative, has an image, and follows wiki conventions.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:46, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Alright, glad to see the system's'nt failed yet :)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Agreed with Ken,
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 04:34, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Comment_(programming_feature) is the new WW article! I'll go update the home page...
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:33, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Awesome choice! Much agreed. We'll see what the next one is next Wiki Wednesday!
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 23:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 13:57, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Looking at Statistics

It’s interesting to have a look at the pageviews of the article

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_(programming_language)

in wikipedias of different languages here:

• pageviews of Scratch in Wikipedia of different languages

compared to the pageviews and other stats of our international Scratch-Wikis here:

• de:User:InterwikiBot/GA_Stats
• ja:User:InterwikiBot/GA_Stats
• fr:User:InterwikiBot/GA_Stats
• id:User:InterwikiBot/GA_Stats
• ru:User:InterwikiBot/GA_Stats
• test:User:InterwikiBot/GA_Stats
• User:InterwikiBot/International_Stats

Manny thanks to ErnieParke for implementing the bot that does all that great jobs!

By the way: There is also:

• https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Scratch_Wiki and:
• https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Farm:Global_Scratch_Wikis

P.S. We need more helpers for the international Scratch-Wikis to spread the Scratch-Wiki-Idea all over the world in all languages. (see: International-Scratch-Wiki-FAQ)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 14:56, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Cool! I'm sure you'll get some helpers!
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 04:32, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

When does scratch camp start?

please tell me
-unsigned comment by Whitetiger456 (talk | contribs)

Hi! I don't think this really relates to the Scratch Wiki enough to be on the Community Portal...

But to answer your question, the official Scratch Camp is every summer.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:27, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 13:57, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes,  Done.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 19:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Featured Articles

The featured article on the Scratch Wiki Home page links to the wrong page.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 09:35, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, New Scratcher Status was the last featured article.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:39, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

So then the front page is showing the wrong thing?
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 13:15, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it is.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 22:10, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Weird.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 16:39, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Nah, just late. Admins? This needs taking care of.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:14, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Yep, Admins should get to this soon. For now, its marked as  Not done
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 04:29, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ This is resolved now - Comment (programming feature) is the featured article. The resolution was reported on Discord but I forgot to mark this as  Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:55, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Difference between browsers

I have recently had Firefox as my main browser to use scratch/scratch wiki on. Now I have chrome, and I am experiencing lag on chrome even worse then Firefox on the scratch wiki. It takes at least 10-20 seconds for my computer to load anything around the scratch wiki, or go any where on it, and my computers relativity fast.

Is there any way we can fix this lag on every browser? Or reduce it a little more?

Some other thing to keep in mind is that the main scratch website is very quick for me. So there is a difference between the scratch wiki and the normal website with loading speed, and, I remember when I said "I don't, It is definitely a chrome issue, I use Firefox and I'm not experiencing any lag on pages. If you can download another workable browser, that's what I'd recommend. If its a Chrome issue, It'll properly not be resolved." Well, I've changed my mind.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 07:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Have you tried different skins? Try https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?title=Scratch_Wiki_Home&useskin=vector and https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?title=Scratch_Wiki_Home&useskin=scratchwikiskin to compare. I don't have much lag at all, though - it might be your connection's issue.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:58, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't think so, mu connection is good, and no I haven't I'll check them out.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 18:21, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Writing an Article?

I’m trying to write an Article about the ‘What’s Happening?’ tab on the front page, but it wont’t show after the first line per section. Article link: https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/What%E2%80%99s_Happening%3F#APPEARANCE
-unsigned comment by JoyDJ (talk | contribs)

A section about the What's Happening? tab already exists in Activity Feeds - I've redirected your page to that section.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:49, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Adding to a page

So, I have been seeing a lot of editing on the Messages and Notifications, and I was wondering if mentioning the old design of the scratch message system would be a good idea. Since it is related to Messages and Notifications.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 20:48, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I think it will
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 14:35, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Yup.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 15:32, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Great! Hopefully, it'll be completed shortly. For now, this is  Not done
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 21:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

How do I display the amount of edits I have made?

So, I have been seeing many editors having these automatic edit count on their user page, I was wondering how they do it. Because, it would be handy to show my edit count to other users, and for me to know how many edits I've made.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 23:35, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

{{Special:EditCount/Purplewolves}}
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 00:07, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll test it out :)
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 08:55, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

One more thing — If you want to know how someone does something, feel free to just click the "edit" button on their userpage and see the code, just don't save anything!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:49, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

I know, I just didn't think of it just then. XD
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 03:19, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

This topic is mostly  Done
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 15:40, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Is it a violation of userspace to create a talk page for another's page?

^
bob1171 (talk | contribs) on the Community Portal. 23:10, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Talk page for an article? No (isn't userspace).

Talk page for a user? Yes.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:13, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles are not in userspace.

Userpages are.

Creating talk pages for other users is a violation of userspace.

Creating talk pages for articles is not.

Exception: Creating the talk page when accepting an account is not a violation. Also, if the talk page was deleted and you still need to contact the user, creating the talk page to post the message isn't a violation (I think?)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:56, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it is a violation. As they said, making a talk page for a article/page is is not a violation, but yes, creating a userspace is.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 03:18, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

This situation (question) seems answered,  Done, unless you want to add your point.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 05:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Users unable to request an account,

One of my friends (HehtorOCH) has been having endless troubles with requesting an account, they said the problem was that the wiki was responding to them saying that they hadn't posted the code, I looked on the project and they have posted many codes (which is a sign) I tried to resolve the problem, they read the troubleshooting page, but we still couldn't figure it out. They had tried at least every 30 minutes. Any ideas what we could to do with this? for now, it is  Not done
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 02:04, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

This is being addressed on my profile.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:09, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Great, hopefully there will be a light at the end of the tunnel.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 02:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Wow. I wonder how that happened...
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 08:16, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, If I was Hehtor, I would be seriously confused, its not a normal issue.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 05:05, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

About the new SDS on the Scratch news (front page of wiki)

Hi! EWs and Admins: On the Scratch News bar it says "New Scratch Design Studio — Things to Try!". It should say "New Scratch Design Studio — Gobolympics". Just a note for EWs.

Thanks!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:45, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Good point, I just realized. XD
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 01:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

thank you!  Done

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

My edit count seems to be out of sync

 Not done

If I transclude my edit count, I get 13,207; but on the actual page, the "Total" count is 307 less than the transcluded count! What's going on?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Werid. If I do it, I get 330 but that is actually a few less than the count on the page.
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 13:43, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Same here! The only difference is that mine is only 10 behind.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 14:21, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Is anybody else having the same problem?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:18, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Actually, when transcluded, my Editcount is 25 less than the real count...
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 11:45, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Is this discussion still active? If so, this is happening to me too. My transcluded edit count is 34 less than what it says on Special:Editcount/bigpuppy.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 13:38, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Mine is 3 less, and I think I found the problem: Uploads of new image versions are not counted in the transcluded count, but they do in the real page.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 11:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Ah, that makes sense.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:33, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done?
bob1171 (talk | contribs) on the Community Portal. 17:59, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

should "x__0" become an article?

the user x__0 had a lot of impact on scratch, with theories about them and even users making accounts that worked in the same way. since they left scratch, maybe we could make an article about them?
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 07:33, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't it violate S:NOSP? If x__0 had impact like Kaj, maybe I agree.--
Apple502j (talk | contribs) 11:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a good point. I think it would fit better to be added under Scratch Trends, if it isn't already there.
Auroura_Wolf (talk | contribs) 13:16, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Who is x__0?
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 14:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

In scratch trends, yes. But not his own article.
Pylar (talk | contribs) 14:13, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

I will add them to scratch trends. Thanks for your opinions! When I will add them to the article, this would be  Done.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 14:20, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I disagree, this clearly violates S:NOSP, even as a subsection of an article. Could you name a precedent? If the trend is just making usernames similar to a popular Scratcher, I don't think it's that popular.. *shrugs*
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 18:46, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

It is more popular than some of the things that are in the trends article.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 12:12, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

That's a good point...

I see that you've already added the section, though, so this topic is  Done.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:58, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Making fan pages of a popular Scratcher isn't a trend too much. How many accounts do you see? I've seen no more than 10. What is a "trend" is the popularity of the user, and even if it's more popular than other things, it's not something that belongs on the Wiki, it's advertising.
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 16:37, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

The style of the user is very diffrent than normal, and there are more than 10 of those users. This isn't a fan page.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 16:43, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Is this user more popular than griffpatch? And we cannot have an article about griffpatch as it violates S:NOSP. I would say more people know about griffpatch than this user. That being for its own article. However, even on Scratch Trends, I dont think that this user is as trendy as kumquats. I think it would be fine if you just linked a couple of projects or just put their name in the page of Animated Thumbnails
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:18, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Im changing @kenny2scratch's done to a not done - I will remove your template. This is for now, due to wanting more discussion,  Not done
Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:21, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

No support. We should really remove the Scratch Trends article entirely. I know it's history but we really are not prepared to deal with reporting on these issues when it comes to purely scratch users. I never heard of this user. Why should I not receive an article? I mean :P, that guy only has about double the followers I do :P. In all seriousness though, if we can't agree to give Griffpatch an article, then we won't be giving any other people articles or sections.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:42, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @customhacker please don't edit my message to change its meaning - you can mark it as {{not done}} afterwards instead of changing the {{done}}.

@makethebrainhappy I agree with not giving this an article - I don't know about a section. Also, saying things like "if we can't agree on this we won't be doing that" isn't really acceptable - what if we do agree to do that in the end anyway?

@OP I don't mind this getting a section in Scratch Trends - I wonder if griffpatch should too though.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:31, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion: Protect the non-talk side of the CP

I feel like just in case, to enforce the "post your messages on the talk page instead of here" thing on the non-talk side of here (Scratch Wiki:Community Portal/Archive 93), it should be protected. Thoughts?

also the talk side takes so much longer to load than the non-talk side. So much longer!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  14:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree. There's also not really a point in everyone being able to edit that (is there?).
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Well it's not good to have another thing that only EW's can edit in the event that an update is needed. Plus it isn't really a huge deal if it gets changed. Although I do not see the need to update it coming enough to really make a big deal out of.
  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 01:04, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Make everyone more aware of browser file caching

 Not done

When I look at the history of File:New Studio Button.png, I see many of the same versions that were uploaded more than once simply because the users forgot to clear their cache after uploading - the browser will cache the old version unless you clear the cache.

The extra versions uploaded because of this take up a tremendous amount of storage - I estimate over a quarter of file revisions are simply reuploaded revisions. Please try to remember to clear your cache after uploading a new version of an image.

Could this be somehow made clearer to new users too? I feel like nobody knows about this, despite the file upload page mentioning this.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:08, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I was the cause of it... I think we need to add it to the help pages list.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 12:16, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

You're not the cause, don't worry - I'd been meaning to post this for a while but you just reminded me.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:42, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Yzyzyz — it should be in the help pages (is it?). Or on the welcome template.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 13:55, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Actually, the file upload page already says to clear your cache... but nobody reads that?!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:56, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Does scratch-www deserve a page?

Does scratch-www (The Standalone web client for Scratch) deserve its own page?
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 15:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

No, and neither do scratch-gui, scratch-blocks, or any other GitHub repos. There was a scratch-www but it got deleted, as per my request. Scratch Website should provide any needed info.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:01, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I guess this is  Done
-Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 08:16, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Yep, It is  Done no worries.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 05:03, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Page deletion

Hello! I think this page should be deleted as it is about an SDS studio and none of the other SDS studios have their own articles. I also would like this subpage (from my user page) to be deleted as the redirect is broken.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 17:13, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree with you.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 19:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

For now, this is  Not done
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 21:00, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I agree — all of the SDS studios are listed here anyway.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:05, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I would also like this image (external links since internal links won't work) to be deleted since it is not in use.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 16:01, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

If you want something to be deleted and its either your image, under your userspace, or there's been a discussion that led to needing it to be deleted, you can just put {{delete|REASON}} at the top of it. I'll do that for you on your banner and the page under your userspage edit: userspace.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:15, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Okay thanks! I like how my banner is the only page with a dateless template
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 10:09, 11 November 2017 (UTC)