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Unfinished discussions

EW election (we are NOT hosting one right now just to be clear)

As I said in the title, let me be clear that we are not hosting an EW election now or in the near future.

Anyway, that aside, we have had several instances where there have been no EWs or admins around for periods of several days. This means that the news doesn't get updated promptly and that disputes can take a lot longer to resolve. Obviously, this isn't a good thing, and several people have suggested that we elect a new EW to help mitigate this problem. I have discussed this a bit with the other EWs and admins, and we haven't reached a conclusion yet. While electing another EW would help mitigate the problem, it does come with some costs. As some of you remember, the last election had several disputes over the procedures, and that could happen again if we have another election. Also, training new EWs takes a while, as there are a lot of subtleties to the rules that have to be picked up, especially those about processing account requests. That would take time to do, and it's possible we'll end up with someone who ends up causing a lot of problems.

Given the potential risks and benefits, what does everyone think about voting for a new EW sometime in 2016? The election would not be immediate (nominations would start February at the very earliest, and probably significantly later), and we would probably only choose one new EW. Also, if anyone has any other comments or suggestions about having an election, please say them now so that they can be taken into account.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:55, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Anyone could cause problems its more of trying to figure out who would cause the least. Also since you said there isn't really an official process it would be confusing for some. The EW's and admins are also probably getting older which means more homework which means not as much wiki time. I think that some new ones MIGHT be worth while, But that's my opinion. Also if you do get into MIT (which many are hoping you will) means even LESS wiki time so I'd say Yes, most likely.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 18:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I definitely think an EW election is in need. I feel that almost none of the higher authorities are active anymore :( As for this disputes, I would ensure that the Scratch Team plays a role in the election to help settle arguments. I do think an election would be a good idea. As for the training problem, I would make sure to only allow people to run that have shown a history of activeness on and off the wiki, meaning the website, to prove that they will be there to receive their training as quickly as possible to reduce mistakes. What does everyone else think?

St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  21:55, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I think what is being inferred here is that an election at this time isn't the best time because the current ews and admins are very busy. Teaching new ews take a lot of effort and time, which the ews and admins don't fully have at this time, so it wouldn't be the best idea.
stgalla, your custom signature needs to be transcluded, not a copy and paste raw format. (look at my signature markup for an example) Could you please change that as soon as possible? Transclusions make it way easier to fix and change the sig if ever needed. Thanks..
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:13, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
I think an election is in need. EW's are important for the community to run, and our lack of any super active people is not good. Not that I'd be a good EW :P
Rollercoasterfan (talk | contribs) 16:23, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── After reading everyone's responses and talking a little bit with KrIsMa, I think we will have an election sometime next year. I have outlined the rules and procedures that I think we should use in my sandbox. Please take a look at them and suggest any changes you think we need.

I also asked scmb1 if having an election would be ok. Once we have a clear idea of how it's going to work and that scmb1 is ok with it, we'll decide on a date. As in previous elections, the existing EWs and admins will be in charge of running the election.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I took a look at the rules and procedures. They all made sense and were very well said. I would suggest adding something along the lines of "being 'friendly' with admins and EWs will not increase your chances of being selected." as I foresee users commenting on admin/EWs talk pages saying hello, etc. to get them to like them more xD

St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  22:27, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
The rules and procedures look good! I think maybe we might need two new EWs...

Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 00:35, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I think that two new EWs might be a good idea. What specific problems were there with previous elections?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 00:49, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I agree with two new EWs, but I think we could get away with 1 :)

St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  01:10, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I have one suggestion. In the section above "Rules" you refer to "the rules listed above." I suggest that the Rules be actually listed above that section, or that "the rules listed above" be changed to "the rules listed below." ;)
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 01:38, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

The rules look fair to me. I wonder if any wikians without a lot of edits on big articles will start editing. That's my only worry.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 01:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm replying to a bunch of people here, so this is going to be kind of messy.
1. While that is something of note, the detail about being friendly with admins is not an actual rule that people need to follow in order to keep a civil election. While it is true that we only really consider the stuff specifically listed, it's not an actual rule in the same way as the others.
2. I'm not sure whether we need one or two new EWs at the moment. I'll discuss this with the other EWs and admins that we have now and we'll decide. I'll keep everyone posted.
3. The problem with the previous election is that some users were rather angry about not being chosen to run in the final vote and the fact that someone who wasn't actually in charge of coordinating the election was trying to run it himself. I'd rather not go into more detail.
4. "Rules listed above" refers to the previous lines the user posted (all the "I agree/understand that..." stuff).
5. We will consider the overall behavior of all candidates who nominate themselves, and this includes anything they do in an obvious effort to be chosen. If someone just looks like they're making edits to get attention, then they probably won't make it onto the final list. The best thing to do from now until the election to be chosen is just to keep editing productively like normal.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
What can we do to make sure that no one is trying to run the election if they are not in charge?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 03:38, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Not let them make any decisions :P @jvvg I didn't mean to make it into a rule, I meant rather as an informative statement :)

St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  04:07, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Purplebook163: This time we're going to be a lot more strict and clear about the rules of the election in order to make sure it runs smoothly. If anyone that's not actually an election coordinator tries to take control of the election, they will receive consequences in keeping with the Wiki guidelines. I'm specifically enumerating a rule about that this time. @st19_galla: I might make a "notes" section, but I'm still thinking about that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:57, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I outdented due to jvvgs text not looping to a new line. I think an informative "notes" section would be nice. It could include a basis on how the election works, voting, speeches, etc. Although it should probably not be called "notes" as those are very important xD
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs 
Ok, I added a section titled "notes and stuff" that explains the voting and how we will decide which candidates will run.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:51, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @jvvg: Your sandbox looks great. :D Could you add a section briefly describing the duties of any elected EWs? Maybe even add a section about what happens after the election as far as what their responsibilities will be, roughly how active they would be preferred to be, etc. that way they can get an idea of exactly what they are signing up for.

Also, would it be a good idea to set up how a tie would be broken? I saw that was a small problem when I looked over the talk pages of previous elections.
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 01:25, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

We already have Scratch Wiki:Experienced Wikians to explain the duties. Most of the other stuff is pretty adaptable and not really set in stone. We also only discussed tie-breaking in the previous election in case it happened, but it didn't. However, if it does, we'll just use the most #1 votes, then the most #2 votes, and so on until the tie is broken.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:36, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Thanks for the answer.
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 02:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Also, I think an EW -> Admin election might be a good idea. Having an extra admin would be useful for those tasks which EWs can't do.

Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 08:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
We already chose KrIsMa to become an admin at the time of the election.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Wow, congratulations KrIsMa! However, if that's the case, then I would suggest electing two new EWs as there would be no more active ones left. Hardmath's last contrib was in January and Turkey3 left a comment on the CP that he/she would no longer be active :(
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs 
I agree, we should definitely have a new EW election!

AghaCool (talk | contribs) 010:28, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Like I said, we'll discuss whether one or two is better after ErnieParke is back. I'll keep everyone posted. Also, we will probably have the election in March, but that isn't the final chosen date yet and may change.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Ah sorry, I wasn't aware of that. Congrats to KrIsMa!

Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 01:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
It is stated in the rules that "The only advertising candidates may do is the speech on the candidates page". Does this mean users can not say on their userpages that they are running? Can they copy their speech to their user page? Is advertising on their own user page allowed? What is the deffinition of advertising? I think this rule needs some clarification.
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 00:07, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
I will discuss with KrIsMa and ErnieParke about how much advertising may be done. That rule is currently in place since the last election had some issues with people doing advertising on their userpages, but we will discuss how to deal with it this time. We will have a clearer definition by the time we choose candidates to run.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:49, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Just informing you I'm not dead.

Yes Done

I just have more productive things to do at the moment. ;-)
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 02:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I think most of us are happy about the fact that you're not dead and sad that you got no time. Me too :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 18:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Spanish Scratch Wiki?

Hey,

The Spanish population is quickly growing! I was wondering if we have a Spanish Scratch Wiki (although I don't think we do.) I can speak Spanish pretty well. Do you know if someone could start a Spanish Wiki?

Thanks,
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I also speak Spanish fairly well. If you want to create a Spanish wiki, just go to the Test Wiki and request an account (I'll approve it, just mention that you want to create a Wiki in Spanish). For all of your articles, start them with "es:", such as "es:Página Principal". Once we have a bunch of articles and enough people join, we can ask for it to be made into its own Wiki.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Scratch Credits

Hey guys, I just noticed something! On the Scratch Wiki if you scroll all the way to the bottom and click "Credits" it leads to the old credits page. The new credits page is https://scratch.mit.edu/info/credits/

So yeah...


AghaCool (talk | contribs) 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Once the new skin (the one on the front page) is pushed to the entire website, we're going to port it to the Wiki, and when we do that we'll fix the link.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:08, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Is that when the donate link will be fixed?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 19:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Assuming the new skin doesn't contain the donate bug, then yes.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:49, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Feedback

Hey guys, Could you guys possibly give me some feedback on how I'm doing with creating the Spanish Scratch Wiki Home Page and some suggestions? Here are some links http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Es:Scratch_Wiki_Espa%C3%B1ol , http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Es:ScratchEquipo , http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Programa_de_Scratch Thanks!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 17:47, 31 December 2015

I can't understand more than a word of it, so I think you're doing a good job! :P
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 18:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I also added some more links, so you can check those out too!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 18:30, 31 December 2015
For the http://test.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Es:ScratchEquipo one, I suggest that you get another screen shot of Paddle's logo ect after changing things to Spanish...that way the text in the shot will be Spanish. ;)
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 18:26, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
By the way, Scratch Team in Spanish is "Equipo de Scratch" :P--
Fmtfmtfmt2 (talk | contribs) 19:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Seems like you know some Spanish! Would you like to help out with the Scratch Spanish Wiki, fmtfmtfmt2? Also, yeah I knew that I just wasn't thinking XD

AghaCool (talk | contribs) 19:59, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
I only know enough spanish to ask you where the bathroom is, and even then I can't write it. :D Otherwise, I'd help.
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 20:03, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
XD, it's [upside down "?"] Puedo ir al baño, por favor?

AghaCool (talk | contribs) 20:05, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
I can speak Latin but I can only Say "The Smell Of The Bathroom" in spanish :P
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 22:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Interesting! I know some Latin also. I wonder why you know how to say that...That's not what I'd want to learn if I took Spanish. xP
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 22:26, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Foxtrot Comic. It was in a strip
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 01:51, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Oh. I see. :P
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 02:21, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Like I said, I actually am fluent in Spanish and will do my best to help. However, we really do need to get some active editors who are native Spanish speakers, as there isn't really any point in having a Wiki just maintained by people who also speak English, where there is already a Wiki.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:18, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Yo mejoré la página principal, especialmente la sección de “bienvenidos”. Todavía hay partes que tenemos que reparar (por ejemplo los enlaces – por favor usa enlaces de Wiki para orientar usuarios a páginas en el Wiki en vez de enlaces externos). También voy a traducir las páginas más importantes, pero no olvides que tenemos que atraer usuarios que hablan español nativamente y no solamente usuarios que hablan español como un idioma secundario.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 04:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I am currently talking to one of the Scratchers that has Spanish as their native language. I'll let you know if she decides to help.You could also leave a comment in the Spanish Discussion Forums to see if anybody is interested!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 013:12, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I would love to help:D
Fmtfmtfmt2 (talk | contribs) 18:04, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
YAY!! Check your talk page. I left a comment on how you can start.
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 19:16, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

The RollEyes Template

When useing Pizza emoji.png, Template:Eggplant, x(, or Meow.png is you hover over the emoji it does not link to anything, due to the coding that states [[File:Pizza emoji.png|link=]]. Pizza works just fine, but RollEyes seems to link to the image (like this Forum Smiley - Rolleyes.png), even though the coding is exactly the same. Does anyone know why?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 19:53, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't really understand this question...Although it did teach me how to make the rolleyes emote! (Thank you! ;))
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 13:18, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
That is an odd bug, but anyways, I fixed it.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:55, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Back from Vacation

Yes Done

Hi! I was recently visiting my cousins in California, so if anyone was wondering, that's why I have been inactive the past about two weeks. I got to see a lot on the trip, from San Fransisco to Lake Tahoe, and it was definitely very pleasing!

Anyways, I'm trying to get caught up on what's happening. I've read the CP. Is there anything else interesting, big or small, going on?

Also, as a small update, currently the interwiki code for InterwikiBot seems to be broken. I'm trying to fix it and will run it when it is fixed.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:48, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Hey ErnieParke! The Wiki Team completely understands and we understand that life comes first. I hope you had fun!
As for anything new that happened while you were gone is that I decided to start a Spanish Scratch Wiki so we are currently working on that and I made some updates and made a new section to the Scratch Team Wiki Page. Oh yeah, and also we are thinking of possibly electing another EW/admin in the upcoming February at the earliest so yeah. Hope that helped!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 01:53, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Yo estoy de acuerdo. Nos necesitamos un EW nuevo... El wiki de Inglés tiene algunas problemas que resultado de falta de EW activo (menus KrIsMa).
¡Bueno suerte con el wiki de Español! Deseo que tiene muchas páginas.
On the bright side of things, I got InterwikiBot working again. It caught quite a few interwikis this time around.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:11, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi Ernie, Happy new year! I'm happy that you are back and hope you had a great time in California. 20 years ago I was on a 3-week holiday-cranaven tour from San Francisco including Las Vegas down to Los Angeles and even Tijuana (though I don't speak Spanish like you do): Great! Things I'm looking forward in 2016:

MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 11:19, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
¡Gracias! En realidad soy más probable va a ejecutar para la EW ya que soy muy activo en el Wiki de Scratch y ya que es mi pasión!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 19:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
@AghaCool: Si, si. Es possible.
@MartinWollenweber: Maybe. I also applied to MIT, so there is a chance. However, like jvvg, I also got deferred.
During the next Scratchclub, I would like to talk with you about a few things. (Reminder to myself: forum and cp)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:39, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
@Ernie: de:SC I'm looking forward to it, hear you this evening 20:00 german time :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 07:16, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Home Page...possible change?

Hi...On the Home Page, There is this text:

Made by Scratchers, for Scratchers. 967 articles since created on December 6, 2008

This doesn't seem to flow very well to me...

I like to suggest that it be changed to:

Made by Scratchers, for Scratchers. 967 articles created since December 6, 2008.


Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 22:24, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that looks good. I'll do that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:45, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Ok! :)
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 22:47, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Interesting...

It's been nearly, if not two weeks since I changed my logo on the Main Site, nothing new on the Wiki yet though. Not terrible, but I thought it would have changed by now. :P I know it can take awhile for it to propagate to the Wiki, but I've never had it take this long before.
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 22:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

It's been like a month since I changed mine. But still, nothing....

Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 23:44, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Maybe there's a glitch...
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 21:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Will add this to bugs.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 00:25, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes Done. See S:BUGS.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 00:29, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
I just changed mine about a week and a half ago and it's already updated on the wiki for me... :/
Flame2957 (talk | contribs) 22:20, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Still nothing for me...
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 22:41, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Just hang tight, it will change eventually :)
Flame2957 (talk | contribs) 23:53, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

For me, a Hard Refresh did it.
Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 00:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
May try that. It's still the same... :P
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 02:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

new pages

Hey! I've let my bot pass through all new pages that were created (here) (notice the interwiki bot working! yay!). Wonderful work everyone! Just a small reminder:

  • The best way to find out about how to make a page (say, a tutorial) is by looking at other tutorial pages.
    • Tutorials should not be super specific or super obvious. Tutorials should be made such that it can be developed. For example, how to open up a project isn't ok, as it cannot be developed further than Press "Open Project".
  • Avoid making stubs. Develop ideas fully. Even if there are format issues, a developed article can be changed easier than an undeveloped one.
  • If you don't know whether or not to make an article, begin it up in the CP!
  • All the rules on making a new page is located Scratch Wiki:New page policies and Scratch_Wiki:Editing_Conventions, but you can just look at other wiki pages to get a hang of what a up-to-standard page looks like.
  • small change It is "See Also" and "External Links", not "See also" and "External links" (capitalization). Also, the order you put the sections are See Also, External Links, References. ref:Scratch_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive_69#about_the_order_of_S.A.2C_E.L_and_Refs

That's all! Thanks for all of your help.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:38, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you KrIsMa for all the help you've done on the Wiki! We greatly appreciate it! Keep up the good work!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 01:47, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Hey guys, First a big thanks to jvvg, KrIsMa, and ErnieParke for being great EW's/admins! We really appreciate all the hard work you guys do including confirming/rejecting Scratch Wiki Accounts.

Second, a thanks to all the past EW's/admins for helping in the early stages of the Wiki.

Last, but not least a big thanks for all the Scratch Wiki Editors that keep the Wiki going!

Happy New Year, Everyone!

New Year's Resolutions for the Wiki this Year:

  • Added at least 10 new articles!
  • Edit at least 60 articles!
  • Have at least 20 active wiki users by the end of this year.
  • Get the Spanish Wiki launched.
  • Get the other Wiki's that are in their testing stage launched.

Have another New Year's Resolution for the Scratch Wiki this year? Feel free to add it to the list!

Thanks,
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 02:04, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you also! :)
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 02:37, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you!

AghaCool (talk | contribs) 02:44, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
2015 has been a fun, supersonic year, but 2016 will be much better?
BEST GIF EVER.gif
PARTAY!
PrincessPandaLover Still Icon.png ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 02:46, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Happy New Years too! I hope that we'll be able to expand every wiki a lot in 2016. :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:03, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Happy new years everyone! I hope to be very active this year and write at least one article :)
Flame2957 (talk | contribs) 23:10, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

If it helps, we're currently lacking transcriptions for several video tutorials. Just check out Video Tutorials to see which videos don't have one.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:18, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, ErnieParke! I am so excited for this year and what new things we may do in the Wiki! I'm especially excited for the EW Election!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 00:38, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Oh thanks Ernie! I'll do some of those then :)
Flame2957 (talk | contribs) 15:13, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

New year, new EWs

I said that I would keep everyone posted on the election, so here's the first major update:

The third Scratch Wiki election will take place in February 2016.

All relevant information is on the election page and the nomination page.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:06, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Quick question! Do we have to have Scratch Accounts (I have one that I can use) but I was just wondering. Thank you! I'm so excited! I'm going to run!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 14:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
No, you just need a Wiki account to run. The only requirement is that your account must have been created before January 1, 2016 (yesterday) and must have at least 50 mainspace edits (if we someone doing a lot of edits to increase their edit count leading up to the election, we probably won't choose them as a candidate).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:04, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Okay! Cool! I'm really active in the Wiki and I'm definitely going to run! I'm so excited! Also, how can you find your edit count? Thank you.:D
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 15:24, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Whoo, thanks for the update jvvg :) I'm looking forward to see who is elected :D Also, @AghaCool, make sure you are looking at this page for your edit count: http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Special:Editcount
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs 
Oops, thanks st19_galla! Are you planning to run?
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 19:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'm also going to run for EW. I have 1 February placed on my planner already. I may not seem active at the moment, but it's because of procrastination reasons. I'll get my procrastination under control this yeaar!
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 03:28, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Awesome! Good luck!:D May the odds be ever in your favor.


AghaCool (talk | contribs) 15:19, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Aw... My account is just 3 days too new... Does that matter?
Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 02:49, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, unfortunately it does matter. Sorry. Keep editing on the Wiki though!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 03:03, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I have a few updates to share:

  • Nominations will open February 1 (that hasn't changed)
  • Discussion about who will be chosen to run will remain private
  • Please do not try to make a lot of small edits so that we notice you when deciding the candidates - we will make considerations with all the information we have, and that goes pretty far back (I'm not accusing anybody in particular, but I just want to make it clear)
  • The top two people in the election will become EWs
    jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:41, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, jvvg!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 16:16, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good! Thanks for the update, jvvg!

Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 02:06, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
I have one more brief update to announce: voting will be private this time. I have set up a system where you can vote privately, but you still have to log in to your Wiki account to use it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I don't have any additional updates to announce, but nominations will open in 5 days (really 4 days since the Wiki runs in UTC). Just a few reminders, though:

  • Nomination will be open for several days - there is no need to hurry once they do open, and we don't give any weight to the order that users nominate themselves in
  • Nominating yourself does not guarantee you will run in the election
  • We will not comment about the status of any user in the election (except for noting that we recorded their nomination and added it to the list) until the final list of candidates is released
  • The actual election won't be until a little while into February

Other than that, just be ready to nominate yourself if you wish to run.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

FAQ

I will start reorganizing the FAQ category by topic.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 17:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes Done. How well does the new organization work, and how can I improve it further?
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 18:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Hey there! Could you explain more in-depth what edits you made and maybe include a link to it? Thank you!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 19:28, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:FAQ, by subject. For example, the fictional page How do I build a time machine? would go under "Time machine". Right now, I have also reorganized all the H's in Category:How To Pages except How to Join the Welcoming Committee (because it's protected) by the things after "How do I" or "How to". For example, the fictional page How to Make Orange Soda would go under "Make Orange Soda", and the protected page previously mentioned would go under "Join the Welcoming Committee". I will need an admin to finish the job; see Talk:How to Join the Welcoming Committee.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 20:50, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

 Checking with admins now
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:52, 2 January 2016 (UTC)cats

I forgot to mention one thing: There are still more cats to organize. I'll list them at User:3sal2/Cats to Organize as I go.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 20:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Created Template:Recategorize and Category:Categories to Reorganize.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 22:23, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Hey there 3sal2 remember to put a colon : or how many every colons when you're replying to someone's message (if you don't understand what I'm saying look at the HTML)
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 00:41, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Boom! See two colons, whenever you reply to someone's message make sure you always have one more colon then them. Thanks!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 00:41, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Delete

EWs/Admins: As of yesterday, there are 4 pages to be deleted. Please report to Category:Pages in Need of Deletion immediately.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 18:32, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Hey there! We greatly appreciate all the help you've been doing! The EW's/admins are pretty busy, but they'll be sure to look over those pages and decide to delete them. Thanks!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 19:29, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes Done
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:29, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Scratch Update History Wiki Page

The Scratch Update History Wiki Page was extremely out-dated. The last time it had been updated was on March 10, 2015. The Scratch Update History Wiki Page has a list of all the updates on Scratch since Scratch 2.0. I added all the Scratch Updates from March 10, 2015 until now. If you see an update that I may have skipped, feel free to add it here
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 19:08, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Would it make sense to ask users to set their email in our welcome message?

Hello and happy New Year! Perhaps you've noticed that when users need to reset their password, they often cannot because because they haven't set an email to use for password resets. Because they can't set their passwords by themselves, I have to manually change their password in the database via a command line script and then email them their new password-- which is a little janky. :) I'm wondering if we could mention that new users should set their emails in our welcome messages on their talk pages. Maybe something like this?

Welcome to the Scratch Wiki! We hope you will contribute much and well. Before you get started, make sure to set your email in your account preferences so you can reset your password if you ever forget it. You'll probably want to read the help pages before doing anything else. If you have any questions, you can ask anyone on the Scratch Wiki. We will appreciate it if you make a lot of edits to the wiki, but make sure the edits are good quality edits. Again, welcome and have fun! :)

That might be little long-- I'm open to suggestions
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 23:27, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I think it's fine as long as it does not force the user to confirm their email...doing so to get my Main Scratch account was bad enough...I view my email as very private information, if you know what I mean.
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 23:32, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
That's a good point. I don't think it would. Although, I just tested it and sending email is failing all together. I'll investigate... clearly that needs to be fixed first.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 23:46, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Email has been an issue for awhile. Have you tried looking at LocalSettings.php? Are there any email-related properties set to true or false?
A list of the Mediawiki email settings can be viewed here: Link to Mediawiki
Anyways, if we do get email working, it would be nice to add on a message mentioning adding an email to an account. Instead of mentioning email in the middle of the welcome message, maybe we can mention it at the end? Ex. "p.s. You can set your email in..."
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:08, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Hey there! Here are my thoughts: So well, I think it would be a great idea to have Scratchers include their email in case they forgot their password, although I think it should be optional because people might not want to give out their email. But, overall I think this a great idea and has been needed for a while now! Thank you, scmb1!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 00:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips ErnieParke! It was an easy fix (I think). Now there is no error, although I'm not 100% sure the emails sent...
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 00:54, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
The problem before was that email wasn't working properly, so users actually couldn't set their emails at all (they have to be confirmed). The original version of the ConfirmAccount extension actually required users to enter their emails, but I disabled that since Scratch doesn't necessarily require all users to have emails. Should I add that back?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:27, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Scmb1: I tried resetting my password, and I did not get an email.
@jvvg: I think I will echo Amateurradiogeek15 and Aghacool. Having a message about adding emails is nice, but requiring it is too much. Maybe it can be an optional field?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:34, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I checked too, and it doesn't send the emails. :(
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:36, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
It didn't send the email for me too.
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 01:46, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Bummer! I'll check it out later in the week. :)
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 23:29, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
I think there should be an option to set the email to your scratch email, set a new email, or don't set it at all. btw can the EW's and Admin's see the emails? Or just the ST?
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 13:16, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Maybe we can just have it so your scratch account is set (an you can change it if you move) and you will get a alert with a new pass.
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 13:17, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it's not as easy as it sounds. There's no easy (or even hard) way to send notifications from a website outside of the Scratch Website. Scratch notifications are not email and use entirely different systems, so they are incompatible with each other. If we could send notifications from the Wiki, I would have included that in the ConfirmAccount extension, rather than using profile comments.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:41, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Two things

  1. I have found the search bar issue to be unfixable.
  2. The pencil button in the top right doesn't seem to work.


3sal2 (talk | contribs) 00:19, 3 January 2016 (UTC) Edit on 2: In fact, none of the archives seem to have a functional pencil button.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 00:24, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

The pencil button is working for me, even on archives. Are you sure nothing happens when you click the pencil button?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:33, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Maybe what he means is that the "Edit" button doesn't work, maybe? I don't think it's supposed to work since you can't edit an archive for safety reasons? Correct me if I'm wrong.
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 00:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
This probably means that there is some issue with JavaScript in your browser. Check if you have it disabled. Also, try the ACID3 test and see if your browser meets modern HTML/JS standards.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

;_;

I've been banned on Scratch already, both my test and main account. Is it okay to announce my ban here and will I get banned here?
PrincessPandaLover Still Icon.png ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 22:56, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Hey there! I’m sorry that you got banned. :( If you get banned on Scratch you do not get banned on the Scratch Wiki. However, if you are banned on the Scratch Website and continue your behavior (that you had on Scratch) on the Wiki, then you will be banned until unbanned from the main site. Hope that helped!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 23:38, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks!
PrincessPandaLover Still Icon.png ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 00:07, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Please do not bring up any further discussion related to the ban, as this places this account in jeopardy of being banned. The general policy is that main site bans don't carry over to the Wiki unless the user causes drama about it or otherwise continues the behavior on the Wiki. That being said, as long as you don't discuss it more, you won't be banned here.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:46, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
Uh huh.
PrincessPandaLover Still Icon.png ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 17:54, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

New Scratch Design Studio

Are we going to add the new Scratch Design Studio on the Wiki Front Page? New Year's Celebration: Express 2016!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 02:01, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

It is already there.
Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 16:14, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I know they added it.
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 21:07, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

New FPC

Hey guys, The new FPC is coke11! Please also update that on the Scratch Wiki Home.
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 23:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Graphic editing

Hey guys, I just want to let you all know that I can do any graphic editing you need done for any article (like removing/cropping out backgrounds from screenshots of Scratch blocks so they can be put into an article and look nice). :)
Flame2957 (talk | contribs) 22:18, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks for letting us know.:)
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 22:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
:D
PrincessPandaLover Still Icon.png ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 02:06, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Glitch

http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/File:WritingVideotoFile.png
It displays the wrong image.
PrincessPandaLover Still Icon.png ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 04:22, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

what do you mean? Try a hard-refresh.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 06:13, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

New Feature: Emergency Read-Only

Yes Done Hi! I have a good idea for a new feature on the Wiki (if MediaWiki supports it). An emergency read-only mode, so the if a lot of pages got vandalized, the Wiki would only be editable to EWs and admins.
Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 16:17, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be the same as the EW protection which already exists?
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 16:32, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
No. It would be for probably less than a day, it would apply to the whole Wiki, and it would apply to all users. Basically, it would be kind of like banning everyone, but with a different message. It could be like:
Sorry, the Scratch Wiki is currently in Emergency Read-Only Mode. Please try again later.

Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 17:00, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't think there ever will be a situation that merits the lock down of the entire wiki.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
^That's my thought...If there's an argument/edit war over an article or articles, the EW's can protect it/them, and if necessary, the admins can protect it/them from even the EW's. And if the admins are part of an edit war...then we really do have Good Grief. < Good thing there's practically 0% chance of that ever happening. ;)
So there's my (most likely imperfect) understanding of the situation. :P
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 18:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
For this to happen, we will either need the Protect Site extension, or access to LocalSettings. Having access to LocalSettings is not going to happen anytime soon, and the extension would be too much power for an admin/EW to have. If only sysops can access the extension, we would only get vandalization relief maybe a week after it began.
Although I do like the idea, I don't think the current situation is conducive to implementing the new feature either of the above ways. There might be more options, but I have not found them yet.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:12, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
So I had the gist of it. ;)
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 00:27, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── One thing I do have is the ability to mass-revert edits by a user with a little script I wrote. In the event of serious vandalism, I can run that and in a matter of seconds remove all offending edits.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:44, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Ben Berg

Do you think Ben Berg is important enough to have his own page? I know it brakes the Wiki Guidelines but kaj had one and it was ok'd. The reason I think this was because his username was unknown for a while, the last edited by kaj on the post, therealbenberg account, etc.
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 01:59, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that is a good idea. It wasn't that big of a deal. So no, I don't think it should have its on Wiki Page.
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 23:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Anyone else have anything to say?
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 22:55, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
I have not heard of Ben Berg before. Without some sources showing how (s)he has played a significant role in Scratch, having an article about them would not be warranted.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
I haven't heard of Ben Berg before either...
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 01:09, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
See this https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/168951/
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 01:34, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Credits Link

The credits link from the Wiki brings me to a 404, but on Scratch it brings me to the credits page.
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

That's because the redesign on the Scratch Website hasn't been transfered to the Scratch Wiki. The redesign includes a new Credits page. The redesign will merge with the Scratch Wiki eventually. Thanks!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 23:23, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Oh ok
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 01:48, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, we will have to create an updated version of the Scratch Wiki skin at some point. Currently, we're waiting until the skin on the homepage is put on every page, and then we'll use that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:25, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes...I dread that event. :/
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 13:29, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Wiki Updates

Hi everyone! Thanks to scmb1 the Credits and Donation links are fixed. The Blocks Plugin should be updated and the favicon should be updated soon. Does everything work for you? - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 10:42, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

yes, thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:08, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Everything is working for me! Thanks scmb1 :D
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs 
Yep it works for me! Thank you!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 18:41, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Awesome! It seems to be working for me!
Coke11 (talk | contribs) 22:18, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

New FPC

The new FPC is Tazzybazzy.
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 20:04, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes Done, and thank you!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:49, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for adding it!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 16:34, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Relative vs. Absolute Dates

This is a pretty minor thing, but I recently saw an article in the RC that said "this year" when referring to 2015. It is now 2016, so it had to be updated. However, for 17 days, the article was incorrect in the year, and I'm guessing this occurs in other articles.

When writing an article, please always use absolute dates (e.g., "2015", "March 2016") as opposed to relative times (e.g., "soon", "this year", "next month"). If you use relative dates, they will have to be updated once they pass, adding unnecessary workload to everybody. Absolute dates will always be correct (unless the date of the event changes, in which case the article needs to be updated anyway), so please use them in articles.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:06, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Yep! I've been seeing some pages that have that (i.e. the Scratch Day Wiki Page) I changed it and I know more pages have relative times as well. I agree, we need to only put the absolute dates only so we don't have to change it every year. Thanks!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 15:31, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Howdy Do!

Hello everybody! Looks like everything is going well. Things are going well for me. I'm going into Computer Engineering officially next year at Ohio State University. I'm glad to see the Wiki is still alive and strong. I just wish the main Scratch site progressed as much as the Wiki (c'mon, we all want Scratch 3.0 and HTML5.)
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 17:02, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, turkey3! Glad to see you here again! Yes, the Wiki has been tremendously growing, compared to the Scratch Website. We've reached about 970 articles! We have a lot of registered wiki users, but the majority of them aren't active. And some exciting news is that there is an Experienced Wiki election coming up in February! I think that's about it! And congrats! :)
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 17:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! I still see jvvg and Ernie are active.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 17:45, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, we're still around, as well as KrIsMa. It's nice to hear you're doing well! I am currently going through all the fun of applying to college, and will keep everybody posted if I get in anywhere good.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:50, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
@turkey3 - Yep! They are still active and continue to be great admins:)
@jvvg - Best of luck to you!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 17:57, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure you'll get in great colleges, you're an intelligent person.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 18:31, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Jvvg and I are both in that time of college applications and fun. On the bright side of things, Turkey3, I got accepted to OSU, so if I don't go to one of my top choices (like MIT), I might see you at OSU. ;)
On the international side of things, we have created a Test Scratch Wiki. Basically, any new language Wikis get put their instead of on their own website. This way we can see how well the Wiki will do before making a website. See: http://test.scratch-wiki.info
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

New FPC

The new FPC is PastelDreaminq.
Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 01:10, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes Done It's already been updated.

Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 03:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Video Transcriptions

They should be all done now, I finished the last four. Unless there's some which haven't been completed yet...
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 05:28, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:43, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks a ton, Hamish752!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 15:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Hamish752! It's so nice to see someone helped here. There were a lot of pages to make...
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:29, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Time for an Archive?

I think we need an archive.
Mitopolis (talk | contribs) 20:42, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

yes, that's right! But before that, everybody who is involved in one of the threads should put Yes Done oder No Not done at the top of that thread, so the right threads will get archived. Every thread that posts are old but that is No Not done should be moved to the: #Place for CP-threads that need "long time and hard work".
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 13:28, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

New FPC!

The new FPC is... Arisandra!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 14:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC)