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Our favorite request notes from December

Your dedicated EW/admin team has been processing account requests diligently, and here are some of the highlights from December...

I Want To Know More Information For The Scratch Wiki
Because, i've heard of new scratchers coming to the site and i would like to help them. :-)
So I can get a job and I love scratch,scratch is my favorite place to go on.
I would like to be a contributor because I want to teach kids about Scratch and help others learn more.
why not
To be able to learn and help people who need help to do what they love.
I would like to be a contributor because I love Scratch. I go on it all the time and I love watching other people's projects and making my own. I would love to make Scratch a better and more fun place.
I would like to share what I know with the scratch community
I would like to help new scratchers and to help update old pages.
To help new scratchers learn how to make games and probably fix grammar mistakes in other pages and incorrect information.
Because helping others to do other things is a VERY nice thing to do and now I have been on for longer than 2 months (That is how long we have to be on scratch to get on it)
I think it is a great opputunity to show my scratch skills to the rest of the community
Because there are some articles i think need approving like how to be a curator.

And i never did a wiki before so i think it would be fun. I will help people find the right wiki pages that there looking for.

I would like to become a contributor because I have become very fond of scratch and want to help other users.
I would like to help add more tutorials for beginning scratchers.
I need the experience and to nail down the basics of sprites. I plan a career depending on a knowledge about them, and many more. Scratch seems like a reliable source to earn my way to where I plan to go.
I would like to become a contributor because I could help translate the Wiki to French (I am fluent) plus, I could explain things to ANYBODy who needs help with things (I would also do that on Discuss Scratch). I know quite a few Scratchers and New Scratchers who could help me with things on the Wiki.

Thank you for your time, (username removed)

i would like to make the wiki a better place
to Show Scratchers around the website
I would like to contribute to the scratch wiki by posting updates about my game and help other people.
Because I would like to help new scratchers learn how to code, and give ideas out to the public so not only I have them in my head
So I can try to fix the glitch of when you put a script it simply doesn't work
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to share ideas and to help scratchers
so I can help update the information on the scratch wiki
Because i like scratch
I would help reference sources and improve project editing articles.
I would love to become a contributor because I love explaining things to others, and I love sharing my ideas, and keeping Scratch Wiki and Scratch a better place!

My commentary: Many people write really sentimental speeches and go into a lot of detail, but don't answer the question we're asking. The question is simple: Why would you like to be a contributor and what would you help with? The question is not "What experience do you have on Scratch?", "What kinds of people do you want to help?", etc.

Another interesting detail is that a few requests say the requester really wants to help on the Wiki, but also contain misspelled words. If the Wiki means so much to you, then surely it can't be that hard to take the time and check your spelling, or at least run spell check?

Anyway, happy early new year! I hope we all can use this as a time to reflect on how last year went and how we can improve ourselves and society this coming year.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:31, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Can I get each EW to pick out one of their favorites for the gallery?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 05:31, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
why not

Scimonster (talk | contribs) 16:02, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't think picking a favorite one would be appropriate as I do not want my name attached to a specific request (you'll notice I also did not include the usernames of the people who processed the requests or the commentary provided, both of which are only visible to EWs/admins).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:30, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

New Year

Happy New Year everyone! It will be 2015 for me in less than 2 minutes. :D
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:58, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Woo!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 05:07, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
happy new year! 2015 woo(although it's technically not for me yet!)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:14, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Happy new year!
JayceeMinecraft (talk | contribs) 11:05, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
I was in the car when 2015 happened. I was awake. I celebrated by announcing "2014 is dead!"
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 15:58, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Happy new year!
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 16:19, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
I always try to explain to people that they need to celebrate when the clock on the tv strikes 2 seconds because of the delay but by time I'm done explaining they're clinging glasses.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 04:36, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

acrc

would it be reasonable to archive the cp now, as it is 2015 and it is getting a bit long? :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:13, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes it is huge.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 04:35, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Done.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:56, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:26, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Two 75s.

On the list of Archives at the top of this page, it goes "71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 75. Fix?
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 20:26, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Fixed!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:57, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, jvvg! (Slightly off-topic: Is this pronounced "jay-vee-vee-jee"?)
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 21:05, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes. It's just my initials.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I say "jay-vug", with the u pronounced as in "push". Much shorter. ;)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 22:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Wait... you talk about me in real life (i.e. outside of Scratch)?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
We all do. Like every day. We all live in Saskatchewan (except for you)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 04:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Ah, Saskatchewan. That one province in Canada where Daylight Savings Time doesn't exist.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 04:44, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
No that's Vancouver. People from the US know like , nothing about us.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:08, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
VANCOUVER IS NOT A PROVINCE!!!
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 21:12, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── woow calm down, thx! Vancouver is a city - in Canada, that is. And, Vancouver has dst, too!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Come on, I've lived there my whole life. And KrIsMa, too bad you didn't run into me on your trip there.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
maybe we did - we just wouldn't know :P
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Vancouver also appears to have a nice rapid transit system. ;)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:17, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
I've only ridden that a few times. But is there something in the wrong Vancouver? As Wikipedia puts it :

Vancouver (not B.C.),
Washington (not D.C.),
Clark County (not NV), by
Portland (not ME)

Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:40, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Get me up to speed?

What's happened since my mysterious disappearance? It's weird how I can't spell "disappearance" correctly without the help of spellchecker.

To be more specific:

  • What large-scale changes have taken place? I haven't found anything in the CP archives that points anything out.
  • How long have I been gone? I didn't look at the calendar when I left inadvertently.
  • What is the Wiki's mode right now?

I have yet to look at the past few days or weeks in RC. Let me do that now.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:21, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Well the last edit before returning was on the 2nd of December and the last day you had over 5 edits was the 18th of October.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 15:33, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
  1. nothing
  2. ^^
  3. it's fine - we have some new members, but you may notice that the wiki community is different than before - because a lot of people have been leaving, coming, etc
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
I have also made a mysterious disappearance with my last edit legitimate edit being December 21st. I have been busy with school and hockey and dealing with family. I don't know if I am leaving or staying or whatever.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 23:04, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
2) A little longer than me, i think. Hope y'all have been fine without us!
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:53, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Should Ex-ST Members be Referred to as Ex-ST in Articles?

I've noticed a lot of articles with quotes from andresmh and other former STers that call them a "Scratch Team member", now they're not one, should we leave it like that since they were then, or change it to "Former Scratch Team member" which might leave the impression they were saying it after they left.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 09:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Support. Or "Scratch Team member (at the time)", but isn't that a bit wordy?
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 01:37, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Maybe even "then-Scratch Team member"?
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 23:38, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good veggie! We all ok with this? I'll start changing them if I don't get any reasons against.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 16:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I would agree with "Former Scratcher Team Member" or "Retired Scratch Team Member"
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:53, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
veggie's idea is consistent with what is used in the real world. For example, people might say, "Then-General George Washington was a great warleader" (before he was president).
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:55, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

External warnings template

Hey all! :) Scratch Teamer Natalie and I were recently looking at this page (http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Scratch_Wiki:Become_a_contributor/Verification_code_troubleshooting) and we noticed the External Warning template. It's cool that you want to make sure Scratchers know that you're linking to an external page, but we thought the template itself looked pretty scare (don't want to scare anyone away!). What do you think of getting rid of those templates and moving a warning to the bottom of the page? Or maybe redesigning the template so the icon and text is more inviting? What do you think?
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 23:24, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I fully agree to this, I myself always saw the template a bit unnecessaruly harsh sounding. (and large)
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:33, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, the big X icon makes it seem like they are actually likely (as opposed to very remotely probable) that the site has viruses, and I am guessing other users were discouraged from viewing other sites (such as mod sites and stuff) for that reason.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:36, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
But we still have to make sure we don't get accused. How about fine print?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:23, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
oh you said that, I'll get started.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:25, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone else object? I will start again if nobody objects in 24 hours as of 14:54, 7 January 2015 (UTC).
Krett12 (talk | contribs)
I do. Putting it in the footer as fine print defeats the purpose. We should make it friendlier and section-specific.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:22, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
SandCastle.jpg This page has external links. Remember to stay safe when using the internet as we can't guarantee absolute safety everywhere.
Just an idea. The image is a user image I found uploaded by -Pro- I thought it was interesting as you can kinda imagine a castle being a safe place. If it got used we'd need to make the background transparent of course.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 16:23, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Love this! +1
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 16:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

I like your template too! It's a great replacement for the current one. The wording is also much clearer that the external sites are not spam sites, but don't have guaranteed safety. :)
If we do implement it, I could alpha the background.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:51, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I like that a lot too. It's friendly, but still gets the point across.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:56, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
good idea! love it + favorite
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:12, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Support!
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 00:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I love that, EH7Meow! The text and icon is much more welcoming. :) I'm a little worried that some kids might not know what an "external link" is. How about "This page has links to outside the Scratch website" instead?
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 14:46, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Everybody else agree?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
@Scmb1 I already did that when I added it to the page.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:32, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
I changed the wording on the template a little bit, I hope you don't mind Krett. I thought that two "page"s sounded a little funny and I thought we should just stress it's very unlikely to be dangerous. Feel free to undo if you think the last one was better.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 15:51, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Looks great, everyone. It crossed my mind a while ago, but i forgot to do anything about it. Thanks EH7Meow for doing it, and scmb1 for bringing it to our attention. :)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:02, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

So, this one guy

wiki account, I tried to help him. I figured out that even if people don't get accepted, they still have good intentions and just aren't very good at writing "speeches". So I was thinking about maybe what I saw another wiki do, was like an "agent" program. If the request reader thinks they have good intentions, they can point one of the "agents" (we'd need a better name for it though) to the user, and while the EWs and admins just process requests, we actually keep trying to help one specific user. It might not sound like a good idea, but I think we'd get When I found out he didn't have a more editors that actually "use" their account.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:53, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

what would the agent do again?
some (most) scratchers realize that if we process their accounts and they can have a second chance on the comments we post - they might lie and talk about something they will never do. Then, we accept their account, and they never log into the wiki (or use it as a social status). we can't also use the speech to gauge what they will do on the wiki because some people wont have that much enthusiasm until they actually get on the wiki.
it's really a dilemma and account acceptors sometimes accept people who do nothing on the wiki at the end.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:56, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I think the current system works better, where we have the person who processed the request talk to the user and ask questions. This way it keeps the process much simpler.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:59, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but the request person would give up a lot faster. I am proposing something that would help people that would do something get their account.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:07, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Subjective and probably controversial idea, but it would be good in the long run.

Yes Done A few times a year, I propose that the big Wiki editors get together and carefully look over EVERY article here, editing and correcting any outdated data, and updating it with new data. This is to ensure that some articles get looked after, and do not "rot" - we don't want to have old 2007 data on a Wiki. This is 2015. Also some data is inconsistent - that needs to change.

Why the big Wiki editors? Some new Wiki editors might not know how to edit a Wiki, and might destroy a few pages in their edits. They might not also know that much about Scratch, and they would not know what to look for.

And with every year, the Wiki grows, making it harder and harder to check every last article to see if it's good. We need to begin now.

THE PLAN

I propose that someone might go through the alphabetical list and assign each person a section (or several, so that each article is checked my multiple people - one of which might specialize in the article and help it get up-to-date).

For example:

User1 - A-B, R-T, W-Z

User2 - C-D, F-H, J-L

User3 - M-N, E, I

User4 - O-Q, U-V (the whole alphabet has been covered)

Users5-8 might repeat the process, each getting different sections. User5 needs to get different portions than User1, so User5 might get M-O, F-J, A-B. User6 might get K-L, C-F, P-S, etc.

How long each section is would depend on the user and their willingness. A less-willing, less-experienced user would get less than a more-willing, more experienced user. Admins might want to go through the cleaned-up pages afterwards.

THE RESULT

The result is a Wiki that is constantly checked by its users for outdaded and inconsistent data, and replaced it with fresh, new data each year on each apge, ensuring the accuracy of each page for a long time to come.

Any supporters/detractors?


TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 01:32, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

but this will take a long time and by the time we finish, there might be the same amount of outdated pages (because scratch is constantly updated). That covers the minor errors but any major inconsistent data and outdated pages will be checked anyways when a big scratch update happens, such as the 1.4 to 2.0 transition!
so maybe this is an ambitious plan - but I do love the idea!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Not if we work as hard as we actually can!!! I love the idea and I can set up the program. (Unless you wanted to help)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:09, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
And if we did this, can we get ol' Tweaker back out again?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:16, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
a bot to change outdated information and inconsistent info? bot?? there's a problem
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:58, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
No!! :P I a bot to keep track of progress and assign people to their parts
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 05:04, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't see why we need a particular time to do this. We're supposed to be doing this all the time. When Scratch gets majorly updated we're generally more active at checking articles. There were huge amounts of edits when 2.0 was released I remember. And if you want an easy way to see which pages are most likely to be outdated. There is an "oldest pages" thing in the special pages section.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 13:11, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
No, we are not supposed to be doing this all the time. Are you checking page after page after page every time you get on the wiki? No! This is putting in more time than normal to check all the pages.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:12, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I do click random page a lot. And by we're supposed to do this all the time, I meant more along the lines of we can do this all the time. So I don't see why we need a special organised check.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 15:19, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
To make sure we are READING the pages. If we do it "all the time" we'd eventually get careless. This organized check would help for efficiency and be a nice tradition.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:22, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I do click random page fairly frequently. When there are only a little fewer than 900 articles, if 5 people click "Random Page" 10 times each day, we'll get through pretty much the entire Wiki in under three weeks. I think a better way to do this would be everybody do that, and if an article appears to be outdated add it to a list of articles that need updating (or just update it immediately).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

But this would make for a nice tradition and would be a great way to encourage people to do this kind of thing.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:03, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I agree with you jvvg. I'd actually forgotten about using the outdated template. It's not hard to just use it on an article every time you see it out of date and add it to the list. Also, 900 articles is a lot of work for say a group of 10 people. Especially if you task them with updating everything. A lot easier to do it when people have time rather than pressuring them to do it at a particular time. Also, we are fairly updated. There isn't a single article that hasn't been edited since 2.0.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 16:11, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
If we need a "tradition" to make people update old pages (what we're supposed to do anyway), then we have problems beyond outdated pages. (On a side note, maybe I should have accepted all of those requests offering to accept outdated pages but not specifying anything... :P)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:12, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Krett, really? A bot to assign people their parts? That just might be too silly a bit idea. I, a human, can do this in 10 seconds:
Person A: you get A-G
Person B: you get H-P
Person C: you get Q-z
There done! Bot-free. Anyways, I oppose the idea because that's what we're supposed to be doing as Wiki editors.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:47, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
even though a user might come up with a controversial idea, we still need to respect their ideas.
but yes we really are supposed to anyways.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:57, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
However, I encourage everybody to look at 1. Special:AncientPages and then look at 10 random pages every day. If everyone does that, we'll be up to date quite quickly.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:05, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
But we don't do that. This could stand as encouragement & also a tradition.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:22, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
If we were doing it already, I wouldn't need to encourage it. My point is that we don't need an established and entrenched system for what we should all do anyway. Just go random page a few times a day and update as necessary. It makes what we have to do anyway less of an assignment and more of something we want to do.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:15, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Just clicking random page a few times a day is NOT the same as hosting this. It could be a special occasion that brings us together and encourages teamwork.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:25, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Indeed it is not the same thing. However, since both of them keep the Wiki updated, they both achieve the same result. I will also reiterate my older point that if we need a "special occasion" or "tradition" to bring us together, we have pretty serious problems. We should always be working together.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:16, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Name about 4 or 5 things it's hurting to do this and then I might see you. Otherwise, I see no reason to not do it.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:04, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Ok...

  1. It's making something we need to do anyway more like a chore and less like something we enjoy and do because we like the Wiki
  2. It counts on everyone doing what they are assigned
  3. It indicates that we need to be assigned to do stuff we should just normally do, which is to say indicating we wouldn't do it otherwise
  4. People might get stuck with articles they aren't interested in
  5. The distribution of outdated articles isn't necessarily even (some are grouped together alphabetically), and inevitably some users will end up with harder articles, even if the topic could be better expanded by another user

That's five.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:50, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

  1. It's optional.
  2. Nope, they will overlap to prevent that.
  3. Well, sometimes we do. That's life. (Also, see #1)
  4. One person's junk is another person treasure. They overlap.
  5. If you say we should always be working together, can't we just ask another person for help?

Do ya see how I feel now?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:52, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm just going to give a general response here. The fact that it's optional still doesn't help. Having an overly complicated system for something pretty simple doesn't actually improve things. It just makes the Wiki seem overly bureaucratic and less fun. Updating articles should be seen as something you like to do, not something you have to do (even if you sign up, and there's going to be the kind of atmosphere where everyone feels obligated to sign up, even if nobody actually does, leading to even more problems). Overlapping will result in people treading on each others' toes and probably at least a little bit of edit-warring. If we start having people ask each other for help, then that defeats the whole purpose of splitting up the articles and we're back to where we are now, with people just updating stuff as they see necessary.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:05, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with jvvg. If we're doing something where we're going to overlap isn't that just what we're currently doing? Everyone helping out on articles they know about.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 21:11, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Okay... in retrospect, maybe this was a bad idea?
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 02:17, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
NO IT WAS NOT!!!!!!! I love that idea.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:58, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
it's not really about the idea. Ideas get talked on, bumped around and either rejected or accepted. The important thing is that you took the time out of your day to type out this - spectacular
I would consider this a success rather than a bad idea ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:14, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Can't someone agree with me??
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 04:53, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
I agree with jvvg. We should be doing this all the time. Doing everything all at once would also be too much for some people.
So, thanks for the idea, but i don't think we'll do it.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:10, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
The Scratch community hates me...
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 23:53, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
don't be so cynical! :( we don't hate you - the fact that you wrote this is awesome. Some ideas get accepted, some don't. some people don't even edit the wiki for comparison or just use the wiki for social status!!! There is only two options, yes or no, so don't let those two options make you feel bad! I know some of my ideas were not accepted - sometimes people treat me like I am not accepted - but then I think of the things I am grateful for, and it helps!
I'm actually really grateful that you took the time to write a 1000+ character response, and to boldly edit and bring up this idea. Bringing ideas up isn't that easy! I know how scared I was to bring up ideas on the community portal and was hindered to do so since - but after all those "no"s, it really helped me to make better ideas relating to the wiki (so it was a learning experience!)
Thanks again!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:07, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
You all hate me even more---and you totally hate him.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 05:08, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
please reply to scmb1's comment on your profile. thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:43, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
It's an extremely vague comment, and I'm not touching until she replies to mine. Then she can explain what she even means.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:47, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Although it could be a long shot; I could spend a few months going over each page and expanding them a bit. :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 18:04, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Fixes to the account request system

I am considering making some changes to the account request system, as the system is known to have a few glitches and can be hard for new users. Most of the changes I plan on making are fairly minor from the user's point of view, but still are important. Here are the ones I plan:

  • Changing the algorithm for generating verification codes (base it on something besides IP address and month, possibly tying it to the session ID or something like that)
  • Better searching for comments (i.e. allowing whitespace, etc.)
  • Allowing holding of account requests
  • Storing more language stuff in the software interface, rather than hardcoding it
  • Other interface fixes to make the system easier for administrators (e.g. including a direct link to the user's Scratch profile)
  • Removing unnecessary stuff on admin page

Does anybody else have any suggestions for what I should add to it?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:45, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I was considering doing something as well. RequestAccount has been edited for Scratch but ConfirmAccounts has not. We should make it more integrated?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:49, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I will ask scmb1 to invite us to the repo.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:55, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I think I've got this. I programmed the original system, have a lot of experience with PHP, and keep in mind that I use this system several times a day. Anyway, I do plan on integrating the behind-the-scenes stuff more with Scratch, including stuff like a link to a user's profile.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:58, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
You can do the code, I'll worry about the text. Hows that sound?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:11, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
And you did not make the original system.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:12, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
He did actually. :P Jvvg is very clever.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 21:15, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── preventing the caps-insensitivity glitch? also, maybe even making it so we can see how long again before they can request again?? idk ill think of more tho

  • make the username it caps sensitive?
  • remove the biography and email space?
  • account request approval prompt?
  • archive account accepts?

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Krett, while I didn't program the complete original system, I did program the Scratch-related parts. For the text, I will probably create placeholder text and submit it to the Wiki community for suggestions, and you are certainly welcome to take part in that.
KrIsMa, I like your ideas. The caps-sensitive issue (at least auto-capitalizing) is unfortunately not fixable due to the nature of MediaWiki. However, I will check that it is caps-insensitive wherever applicable. I will also remove all unnecessary spaces, and it turns out accepted requests actually are archived, but only bureaucrats can see them.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:32, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
STATUS UPDATE: Currently I've moved the majority of the request frontend text to the database (i.e. admins will be able to edit it without messing with the code). In addition, holding requests is now possible and the admin backend gives a link to the user's profile.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:25, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Good news! There is now an entirely new algorithm for generating verification codes! Now, instead of being generated by the sha1 hash of the IP address concatenated with the month, it simply generates a random one tied to the user's session. It will also generate a new hash every two hours in case there's a problem with one of them. Check this out for exact details
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
@EH7meow That is NOT the original system. The real original was made by Aaron Shyullz. And jvvg, I have some text changes I'm going to make.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Once I am done with the implementation, I will submit the interface for the entire Wiki community to view. You are welcome to make any suggestions at that point, but I will reject any pull requests you make in the meantime. Also, when I said that I programmed the original system, I meant that I programmed the Scratch portions, which is the majority of what I am trying to fix anyway.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 12:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Why would I make a pull request for YOU?!?! I would just make a pull request to the copy used. Also, I'm not very interested in the repo anymore.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:20, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Since major changes have been made, only my copy of the repo currently reflects the current code structure (and the interface text has been moved between files, so the LLK or your repo would be out of date anyway).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:45, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Krett, I'm sorry I made a mistake but could you not use caps and bold please? It seems rather shouty.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 16:59, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Mockups and Feedback

You all can see a mockup of what the registration page looks like at File:Account Request Mockup.png. It doesn't look very different from the old one because most of the changes I made were simply allowing admins to edit the text and improving the verification code stuff. Does anybody have any suggestions for what to add or change?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:14, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

You can also see the administrator interface at File:Confirm account mockup.png.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:35, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
I just went to check it out. Oops, didn't realize it isn't live yet. ;)
Looks nice, thanks for doing this, jvvg!
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:14, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

SKL

Just thought of this...do you think SuperKirbyLover deserves a wiki article. It may confuse Scratchers when they hear all the talk and don't know what's going on, and also, it's probably altogether a good idea that everyone knows the story. Maybe we could somehow retell it in a way that fits the guidelines?
-unsigned comment by Mariobros406 (talk | contribs)

Well, I see you encountered S:NOSP. I haven't been on the main site that much, so can you please give me a summary of what happened and what you would put in the article?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:11, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
After some preliminary research, seems to involve some sort of dispute on a Minecraft server and something involving being mad at the Scratch Team. Sorry, but I don't think this merits an article.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 05:35, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
The Scratch Team is publicizing their ban. So, it might be Kaj-the-second. Let's wait until the following text says "02201506" before we make it. "12201815" K?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:51, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Let's not make an article about SuperKirbyLover-- that seems disrespectful. But thanks for checking in about it!
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 23:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
By that logic, "Let's not make an article about Kaj-- that seems disrespectful. But thanks for checking in about it!". Yet we have an article on Kaj.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 00:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
However, Kaj has recurred in the form of users saying they are Kaj, and therefore it's important that users know what actually happened. Interestingly, this has actually been discussed before.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:53, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Yup and that's what we decided.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:28, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for that link, jvvg. Yes, I think it's okay to have an article about kaj for those reasons. Everything that happened with SuperKirberLover occurred much more recently than what happened with kaj. Plus, the nature of what happened was quite different. So yeah, please don't make an SKL article.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 17:39, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Scratch@Amsterdam 2015

Hello! Many of you might have heard of the Scratch conferences that happen every two years at MIT. 2013, there was the first European Scratch conference in Barcelona, Spain. This year, 2015, there will be a Scratch conference in Amsterdam, Netherlands (12. - 15. August). The Theme is "Creative Communities", so Scratch communities from all around the world will be in the center of attention. The Scratch Wiki is one of those communities, and the German speaking Wiki is participating in the conference for sure. I am now wondering if you, the english-speaking wiki, plans to participate as well? Greetings, - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 12:29, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Unless you have some sort of online arrangement set up (Skype, HipChat, Google hangout), I won't be able to make it.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 15:00, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
You mean on the conference? That would be interesting to have a live-online-hangout with wiki-people! - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 15:19, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Can't be there. Can't even be live or something. Sorry.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 16:37, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
im available for skype if you guys are up for it
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:54, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I wish I could but I'm in America.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:40, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
oh, we changed it to Skype so you can be anywhere in the world! :) (i think)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Yes! That's exactly what I mean. This would allow even more people to participate in the conference. :) Maybe you could even push live announcements through it to keep people up to date on important conference news? Or just to compliment a presentation?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:02, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't have Skype.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 18:09, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
A few German Scratchers will be on Skype/ Hangouts too, so I think we could organize some kind of interview/ discussion! The things we need is: Skype or Hangouts? Who has time (we need to be able to rely on you participating ;))? When (Time zones!)? What kind of stuff do you want to talk about? What I thought about is some sort of an online round-table. We would put the video on the wall and there would be some people interested in wikis in the conference who can ask you questions about the wiki. Alternatively I, or some other Wiki-people who come to the conference in RL, can moderate a discussion or so about how/ why you joined the wiki; what your plans and stuff for the future is; your idea of a wiki; what you have learned through the wiki. At the beginning, everyone could introduce themselves. (Also, for the announcements and stuff: There will be some live-twitter-wall I think!) - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 19:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
chat only?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:50, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Actually I don't think that would make sense, since it wouldn't be special and everyone can chat at any time, it doesn't have to be at the conference. But I understand if you don't want to do a video chat... Hm audio only? (Also, all people who are not 18 yet have to ask their parents I think?) - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 13:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
We have this german article about Scratch2015AMS in the DACH-Scratch_Wiki. Who helps to have an english article about it here? :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 13:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello, anybody out there ? ;-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 13:29, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
so, audio only? would that be a bit hard cause a lot of people will be talking at the same time? idk :) introductions on skype seems like a good idea!
also, hi!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:51, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
@MartinWollsnweber/LiFay:
Sorry for not replying earlier, but I think I could help make that article.
As for the online chat, what if we allowed people to choose between all three options: chat, voice chat, and video chat? I know Skype and Hangouts allow all three options, including sharing screens.
Also, LiFay, that sounds like a wonderful topic for the onlic chat! It would be constructive and fun.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:03, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
...I think I could help make that article => Great! Thanks in advance! We have also the Logo of the conference an our homepage. What do you think in gerneral: Is there enough information about Scratch-Conferences/Events in the Wiki?
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 18:24, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
...@Ernie:Scratch2015AMS is still red...didn't you want to make it blue? ;-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 13:23, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
@Ernie: Giving people all three options might be the best solution! I just hope it doesn't confuse anyone, but it should be doable with hangouts! (Btw. is there a chat possibility in hangout calls directly or is it just in the google thingy on g+ on the right of the page?) - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 19:20, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

The new account request system is in place!

The new features are now present. EWs and admins, this means that you can now partially reject requests without marking them as fully rejected as well as delete old requests to let users request again.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:43, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Also keep this in mind. If you are accepting the request, the reason will not be private. It will be the welcome message for that user.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:16, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah? Does that mean i should just continue skipping the messages, or actually write something? jvvg, i didn't see this mentioned earlier, though i might have missed it.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 16:31, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
If you leave it blank when accepting, it will put in the default message.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:45, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Great! I am glad to see the improvements.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:41, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Typo on home page.

one-hundred-forty-eigth should be eighth.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 00:13, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Seems to be corrected now.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 17:49, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Yep, I fixed it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:54, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

why does the ews have the lookupcredentials right?

Special:ListGroupRights ews can look up user credentials? (but the page doesn't work anyways)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:39, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

All that page lets you see is the request notes of existing accounts. I put it in in case we want to start publishing good request notes as examples.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
oh, I recall the usercred right on the april fools wiki, too.
thanks.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 07:14, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

S:CONTRIB is way too complicated

I think one of the reasons most users don't get down to the requirements is that there is so much stuff in the page that it takes too long to read it. Any suggestions for how to shorten it?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:25, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll copy from our chat elsewhere:
""Special accounts" seems like something to get rid of because most people will not go for bot accounts, and can therefore be moved."
""What happens when we get your request” seems like something to delete because it doesn’t seem like it adds to the page. Requestors will get a comment, and the comment will be useful, not a section in S:CTONRIB. Although keeping the sentence “When we get your request, we will process it and comment the response on your profile.” wouldn’t be bad."
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:40, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
I removed those. Hopefully that will help.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

scratch.wiki

I suggest buy http://scratch.wiki DNS and redirect it here. https://start.wiki — buy here (≈20$). Also create http://ru.scratch.wiki, http://de.scratch.wiki, and http://id.scratch.wikiDmith (talk | contribs) 19:38, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't think that's necessary.
PrincessPandaLover (talk | contribs) 21:49, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
yep, you are correct. not necessary!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:57, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
As per PrincessPandaLover and KrIsMa.
Samanyolu logo.PNG Samanyolu talk | contribs | account 12:35, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Feel free to buy it on your own, but the Scratch Wiki really doesn't have funds.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:04, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

What's the point of having new wikis in other languages?

I've been wondering this for a bit now. Each wiki that we set up requires funding to keep the domain up, and they're on different domain sites (.info and .besaba.com). Setting up a wiki in a new language can be a very tedious process, and it requires a lot of dedication to managing the wiki. Here's what I'm proposing. Instead of having a whole different website for every language, I think that articles should be translated on this wiki. For example, the Russian home page would be Scratch Wiki Home/RU, the German home page would be Scratch Wiki Home/DE, and so on. And then, for every page that has a translated subpage, there would be a header at the top of the page with a navigation between its different languages; as a workaround to the interwiki. I feel that this would make the people who are fluent in other languages more able to translate articles to different languages without creating a new website, funding it, and getting other active speakers of the language to help out. I'm good in French and I'm studying a couple of different languages, and I'd like to help out with getting articles translated to other languages faster. For example, I'm pretty sure that KrIsMa knows Arabic well, Scimonster knows Hebrew well, JayceeMinecraft knows Igbo well, I know French well, and so on (I browse the language forums). That's already 4 new potential languages to have articles in, without the hassle of starting a new wiki.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:17, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

A wiki in another language shouldn't just have the pages translated, the wiki should also be in the other language too. For example, "Il s'agit d'une modification mineure" would appear. Also, say you want the wiki to be in French, wouldn't you want to manage it? You'd have to be just a normal user.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:46, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Krett. Much of the interface of this Wiki is predominantly in English, and although MediaWiki is localizable, several parts would still have to be translated (such as the account request system). The account request system brings up an interesting point, as people really shouldn't have access at all to account requests that aren't in their native language. This would lead to a lot of interference between languages. Also, the policies between languages vary as well. Having all languages here would result in having either multiple sets of policies or having to keep translating it every time there's a change.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
The existing Scartch-Wikis in other languages do not only have other content, but are completely separte from this wiki: They have other communities, other rules (e.g. Scratch project inside are allowed in some wikis, see http://wiki.scratch-dach.info/wiki/3D_in_Scratch ) and they are financed (sponsored) on their own. The DACH-Scratch-Wiki hosts and helps http://scratch-indo.info/ and would host and help a scratch-wiki for any language-community that is willing to invest as much work as it is neccesary to run a scratch-wiki sucessfully. The International Scratch-Wikis are connected with each other via Interwiki. Please have a look here:

MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:17, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Danke- ich werde :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 19:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for having a look at the linked pages! And thank you for your suggestions above, how we could get more for scratch-wikis in other languages. I think a scratch-wiki can not only be a translation, but must be the living result of an active community of the other language. Else it will have no future. The most dificult thing is to have that realy motivated community of the other language, not only one guy who does a little bit translation for some time. The technical things with hosting and administrating are not that problem: The DACH-Scratch-Wiki will help with that if we are convinced, like we did at http://scratch-indo.info/ .
The russian http://scratch-wiki.besaba.com/ developed on its own, without our help. We would like to have more contact and help them if and have the user http://scratch-dach.info/wiki/Benutzer:Dimon4ezzz but he didn't contact us until now...
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 13:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
To Krett12 and jvvg- thanks, this was just an idea to provide quicker translations to other articles. I appreciate your feedback :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 19:26, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Btw. the russian wiki is moving to http://scratch-ru.info/ - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 15:39, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

New Shortcuts!

We now have all of these as shortcuts to the wiki:

http://scratchwiki.tk


Yes there is only one shortcut right now, it's surprisingly hard to set up shortcuts.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 04:04, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Featured images

Umm, will the current featured images on the front page continue to stay there? (I don't know that the featured images change like featured projects or they don't...)

Samanyolu logo.PNG Samanyolu talk | contribs | account 16:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, we need to update those. I'll ask for suggestions.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:58, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Wow. And i thought it was bad when we used to go 2 weeks without updating. ^_^
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 06:20, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

New featured stuff

The featured articles and images have not been changed since September of last year. Does anybody have suggestions for new ones?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:57, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

How about Computer Science for the article?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 03:50, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
for some reason I found Creating_a_Color_Palette so interesting - hmm!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:57, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
We should probably have a better system for this... maybe have a list of articles to be featured, then have the system choose a random one to display for a week. It will then take that article off the list, and choose a new one. Comments?
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 21:45, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I like that idea.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:59, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Agree, pretty cool idea, a bot implementation I actually support.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:20, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
bot? how? :) it seems like manual would be easier and faster than a bot.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:24, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Maybe it is time for a new featured article?
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 12:38, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

semi-protect?

at [1], all those pages are semi=protected, but edit semi-protected pages comes with registration to the wiki, thus, all those pages should get their protection removed?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:58, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

just saying , i got a reply by jvvg in Scratch_Wiki_talk:Frequently_Asked_Questions so this discussion can be deleted. thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Question.

I was testing something out in my sandbox (show preview button) and it did not work. How do you display an image from a non-Scratch site (e.g. Wikipedia) in the wiki? Or must you upload it to the site directly?
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 17:49, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

I believe that displaying external images is a setting that manually has to be turned on in MediaWiki. I believe it's turned off for us.
On a side note, it might be helpful for you to read a MediaWiki article on external images, rather than doing lots of tests: Le Link
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Sigh. Okay...
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 16:03, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Just In Case You Didn't Notice

I have taken a huge break. I am not really doing anything on Scratch right now. I have been busing with going undefeated in hockey right now. I have school projects and what not. I am sorry if I let anyone down. I currently only use Scratch to communicate with ErnieParke. I may or may not come back. Sorry.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 15:56, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

YOU'RE QUITTING???
PrincessPandaLover (talk | contribs) 21:02, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Basically.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 15:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
no ! :( you were a great editor!
I hope you come back! ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:53, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
This is incredibly sad, considering that we kind of knew each other on Scratch a bit... I wish you the best.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 16:18, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
I know I helped a lot but I am really busy. TheHockeyist? Nice to see you again. My hockey team just clinched first.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:13, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Well, that's good. First in district? Region? State?
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 13:44, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── You're leaving for now? That's sad, but I guess we all do have obligations. I hope you come back when you have a bit more time! :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:20, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Hockey tops all sports! I've been going along fine myself, I need to check the Wiki more frequently though!
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:43, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
TH: State. We only have 6 teams in the A division.
EP: Yes. I am very busy.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 12:32, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

The latest batch of fun request notes

As with all months, we got a lot of account requests this January (somewhere around 50). As is also true with most months, most people did not read S:CONTRIB or at least missed the important parts of it. Here are some of our favorites:

I want to help other people so she can better scratching.
Because I lost my [removed] account and I want be back on it.
I will help other people and give tips.
i wish to become a contributer because i love to help people, i am not rude in comments just helpful, for example: try using broadcasting instead of the if touching color block, it will reduce glitches and lags
I love scratch and think the wiki might be cool to be a part of.
Because I`d like to learn more about Scratch.
Because, I have a scratch account.
I really enjoy this, even if I'm new to this.
memes
I love Scratch
i like it
To expand my knowledge on scratch coding.
i am good at making progects
I would contribute to existing pages.
Because i am kind an friendly
because everyone is doing it
I want to help others scratchers.
So i can share my wisdom among the people.
Phone Domination is the greatest game ever
I love the Scratch.
"Flying about the world through the airplainez;

Who am I when I'm anything?

Tapping and toppling over piles of dominoes

I know what I'm doing, my head 2 my toez"
I would like my image on scratch to be seen as someone who likes to help people
I like scratch
to use wiki and learn more things
I know alot about scratch and I can explane very well
i would like to be part because i would be very active and comment alot and i am friend and kind

My commentary: We get requests like these every month. For some reason, they seem to have themes each month, this month being "I like Scratch" month. Anyway, you'll notice that some people actually did explain how they would help (there are a bunch more that I didn't list too), but they still didn't read S:CONTRIB. I know the page is a bit complicated (we should simplify it more, and that's on my to-do list), but even if you just read the bullet points, it pretty clearly says that you need to say you read the page.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:26, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Whenever I check them when I see the lowercase "I"s it indicates to me they don't use proper grammar. Except of course for someone like Scimonster who refuses to capitalize it :P
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Yup, i seem to have made that known about myself. :)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:26, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Akward Phrasing

This sounds a little weird to me:

This page has links to outside of the Scratch website. Remember to stay safe when using the internet as we can't guarantee the safety of absolutely everywhere linked to.

This is on the security template for links to external sites. I think the bolded should be changed to "other sites".
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 21:05, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Support.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 03:40, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Good idea. I made the change because the 3 of us support.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:46, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Titles of new featured images are wrong.

Perhaps they weren't updated? Anyway, thought one of the admins should fix them.
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 23:44, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Oops.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Help with the user verification system

The new system where verification codes are tied to user sessions appears to be a little problematic. Several people have complained to me that the codes have changed as soon as they were commented on the project. If anyone could offer any suggestions about how to prevent this, please do. Also, please note that this only happens to some people. Here is where the codes are generated.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:25, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Where are the codes being saved and verified? (On the wiki site, the main site, or somewhere else?) Maybe use a cipher that generates a verification code with the applicants username and the time?
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 13:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
I used to do something like that, but I got some complaints. Currently, the code is randomly generated, stored on the server, and tied to a user's session id. Either the server clock is problematic or the session data isn't saved properly.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:15, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
Sounds like we are having server problems then, not encrypting problems. Is there a way you can check how the sessions are saved?
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 18:19, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
One of my questions is whether I'm saving them properly. Also, it's worth noting that the system works for most people, so it is saving for them.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:16, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Did you check they have cookies enabled? :p
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 14:22, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Well, you can't log in to the Scratch website if you don't have cookies.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:53, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Does the user having cookies not enabled have something to do with it? -paraphrase
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Front Page Image Misalignment

The cat with the globe on the front page hangs a bit below the line for me. Specs:

-1366x768 -Chrome -Windows 10
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:08, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

hmm, I don't see it on my end
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:46, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Nope. The thing that annoys me most is how the Search bar is aligned slightly differently on the Wiki and the main site.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 18:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

*crickets chirp*

There's not been a lot of activity here lately judging from the Recent Changes... where is everyone?
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 17:31, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

They'd installed Windows 10Dmith (talk | contribs) 18:29, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Windows 10?!
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 20:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
They should, um, slow down. Windows 10 already? We're not even over 8!
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:52, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm still on 7!
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 15:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
my dad still has XP ;P
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Same with my grandpa. That was one old computer...
@Dmith: I'm not sure. Maybe it's due to a lack of editing opportunities?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:12, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm still here... if I count.
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 21:25, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I use Windows 7.
PrincessPandaLover (talk | contribs) 18:30, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm using windows 10. Having a dad that works for MS comes in handy. It's only the tech preview though.
Icey29 (talk | contribs) 13:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Friday the 13th Updates

There are a big bunch of updates today which needs to be documented. I already completed the Email Address Confirmation page.
PrincessPandaLover (talk | contribs) 22:16, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok. I've added info about Feb 13th Updates to Scratch Update History...
Samanyolu logo.PNG Samanyolu talk | contribs | account 13:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

How To pages: Should titles begin with "How to"?

While wandering around the wiki I came across the How To Pages category. Around half of the articles begin with "How to" and around half do not. Which way should we choose, or is it ok as it is?
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 19:47, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Nice catch!I like consistency - so I support changing them all!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:50, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
But to which one? "How to" as that's what they are? Or without that as it's obvious they are "How to" articles? I support adding "How to" to them all as you don't know in a link it's necessarily going to be a how to page.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 20:24, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
I would add them to all, but there are some pages that you just can't add "How to" to the title, in which I don't think that should be a how-to page! :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Can I go ahead and do this or do we need another person or two to support?
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 16:29, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I support. :) I'm not an EW, but I support anyway. :)
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 17:25, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

How about make none of the pages have "How to" titles? e.g. Embedding a Project.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 18:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree with TH. I like the gerunds. They're certainly a lot less wordy than "how to" form.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 01:14, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Pages that need editing

Hey there :) I just recently came back to the wiki and I'm sorta out of the loop, and that game me an idea... Why don't we have a page that lists articles that are missing, are stubs, need editing, need images, etc? It would be a lot easier for everyone to help out with the different pages. Thank you guys, see ya around. --
Icey29 (talk | contribs) 21:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

You mean like this? Special:WantedPages. Most of those pages are ones we don't actually one but are linked to to be honest though. Most of the useful articles have been made long ago.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 22:49, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
here you go! Category:Article_Stubs
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:44, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, guys~ --
Icey29 (talk | contribs) 13:03, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Scratch Collaborations?

I know there is a wiki article on Competitions but I was wondering if there's one for Collaborations as well? I searched and didn't find it...Just wondering. Thanks!
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 17:48, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Collaboration (group)
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 19:03, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank You!
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 20:25, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

New Curator!

The new FPC is Ionosphere! Wiki home-page news update?
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 02:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes Done :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:47, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't it say one-hundred-fiftieth not one-hundred-fifty? ;)
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 14:49, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
:O fixed, thank you for that catch! ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:56, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Archive

How often do we archive the CP? Also, where does it all go?
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 17:12, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

We archive it whenever it looks too big. You can see the archives on the list at the top of the page.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:57, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
OK! I see it now. (duh) Um, how big is considered big? Also, I'm assuming that's kind of an admin thing to be able to do? Not that I know how to do it in the first place, so don't worry. :P
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 18:20, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not an admin, of course, and I don't know for sure, but considering how there are only 76 archives and the SW has been around for quite a long time, I would guess quite big. --
Icey29 (talk | contribs) 23:07, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Hmm. That's true. :P
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 23:46, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Does anyone know if it's possible to arcive one's talk page? I'm curious because I think that after awhile, it'll become a pain to have to scroll through it all the time... :/
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 18:08, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes simply make it User:Amateurradiogeek15/Archive1 create that page and put it there.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 03:07, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Ok, and how do I link it back to the main talk page?
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 14:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Just put {{archive header}} at the top of it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:59, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
At the top of my main page? I think that's what you mean, just checking. ;)
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 17:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
No, put that on top of the archive. To link to the archive, just put [[User talk:Amateurradiogeek15/Archive 1]] (replace as necessary). See Help:Links for details.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:13, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Forum System

I'm currently building a forum system that Scratch can use. You can help build it here.
PrincessPandaLover (talk | contribs) 01:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Can you tell me a bit more about it? I followed the link that says Scratch and it told me to put a link before the topic....that didn't look right so I got out of there.... :/
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 18:08, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
I did the same thing.
Powercon5 (talk | contribs) 18:11, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
wow that is a cool idea!! :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:32, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
I would help build it, but I don't know what the idea is. Anyway, once it's finished, I'd love to know about it! :D
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 13:26, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
This looks... cool... but I feel it would be come redundant over time. The Community Portal and the talk pages are forums themselves.
Icey29 (talk | contribs) 22:04, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

New SDS !!

There is a new SDS, Scratch Around the World. Wiki home-page news update?
Really_A (talk | contribs) 22:31, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Updates on the Scratch Wiki in Spanish?

Some time ago I suggested to translate the Wiki to Spanish (A process in which I could most definitely help), but I've not heard anything more about it. Has it already started by some other people, or it just couldn't happen? I feel Spanish is a very common language between the community, who unfortunately, due to the lack of resources in their language, do not progress much with Scratch. So is there any information you know about any of this?
Tcodina (talk | contribs) 14:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

actually, the person who wanted to start the spanish wiki left the wiki, so i dont know if it will happen :(
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:34, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Cheeses, that is too bad... I wish it was as easy as the translation system being used to translate the site itself, which I've used for Catalan. Otherwise maybe I'll just end up making tutorials and things like that in Spanish, haha.
Tcodina (talk | contribs) 14:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately there weren't and still aren't enough Scratchers who've volunteered to make a Scratch Wiki, otherwise we would have one right now.
If you check here... http://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/19841/?page=1
...Spanish needs two more volunteers to become a reality.
I just noticed tcodina, you aren't on the volunteer list. If you want to help, feel free to post. ;)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:27, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
That is easy to say... Well, it's a long story, but let's say the Scratch Team have considered me an untrusted Scratcher (That's how they call me, at least) and banned me, so all of my appeals regarding my unban are just ignored, no matter what. Thus I can't interact in the site. I know it's really unfair, but yeah, at least I have access to the Wiki.
Tcodina (talk | contribs) 20:46, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

New FP Curator!

The new Front Page Curator is Buttons27! Wiki news update? (Also, I noticed that Really_A posted above about the new SDS, so that should probably be added too)
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 13:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Done! I'm not entirely sure I got the dates accurate though, so if anyone sees a mistake, please tell me! :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:01, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
It looks fine to me. The SDS is supposed to come out on the first of every month anyway. ;) I think Buttons27 became Curator on the 2nd though. It would make sense as that's the start of the 2 week period....I don't know.
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 13:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
The SDSs don't necessarily come out on the first of every month, we just target for once a month.
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 14:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
I said "supposed to". ;)
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 14:29, 4 March 2015 (UTC)