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Project Tags ;; Thoughts Appreciated

 Done
If you may have noticed by now, I've started updating Project Tags. One thing I noticed is that we don't have problems with Waffles tags or [+] tag spam anymore, but do we have any trends in their place? For example (although obviously not true), is there a trend to use all caps in a tag?
So, has anyone seen any widespread trends involving project tags after Scratch 2.0 was released?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:07, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

ive seen people try to spell out a phrase with them, like hello, im, steve

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I think the waffle spam is important.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 00:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

@-PRO-: I think it's important too, but I haven't seen it since Scratch 2.0 was released, so I'm thinking it should only be mentioned in Project Tags (1.4).

@KrIsMa: I haven't seen that yet either. Could you link to an example or two? Have other people seen people spelling out a phrase?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:13, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I haven't really seen much on the 2.0 website since only the creator can add tags and they're limited to 3. However, on the old site I did see a lot of spam tags, such as "jvvg was here" (I never did that, but I don't want to point fingers), and "waffles" was everywhere.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree that I saw lots of those spammy tags. Now that I think of it, wasn't there a report option for spammy/irrelevant tags, or am I imagining that?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, there was.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Really? Because I've tried to flag a tag but I didn't know how. Do you report the entire project, or just the tag?
wolfpup500 (talk | contribs) 00:46, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Eug123 (talk | contribs)
Waffles... heh heh.

@Scimonster: Okay. I'd like to include an image of the tags section/report system into the Project Tags (1.4) article, but I can't find any. Do we have one?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:01, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I think there's a small trend of putting your username as one of the 3 tags ;) I do it so people can find my projects on my test and main account through explore, and I've seen others do it, too.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay! I'll look into posting this in the Questions about Scratch forum to see if I can get any examples and more verification about these trends, but my question to Sci still stands: I'd like to include an image of the tags section/report system into the Project Tags (1.4) article, but I can't find any. Do we have one?

Edit: I posted the topic! You can find it here.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:45, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Cool! It's well written.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks derpmeup! :)

By the way, would you mind posting in the topic, and linking to one of your projects where a project tag is your username? That way whenever I cite the page, you could be part of the evidence.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:01, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Sure!
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:02, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @derpmeup: Thanks! @KrIsMa: KrIsMa, could you do that too if possible?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:05, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:28, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Just want to point out that it would be very nice if Wiki editors also contributed to the topic above! Thank you!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Hm, I haven't seen a "waffle" spam for a while now. I saw lots of them back in 2013, but now, they seam more rare. Correct me if I am wrong, the waffle spam might be getting stronger but I haven't noticed... 01:29, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
ZaharaMar (talk | contribs)

Ops... I forgot to mark this as done! It's pretty much wrapped up now, but if more people could post in the topic linked to above, that would be great!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:07, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Election nominations

Here is the current list of users who nominated themselves (in order of posting):

• derpmeup
• JayceeMinecraft
• KrIsMa
• -PRO-
• Krett12
• Jandrewg
• TheHockeyist
• SuperSmashScratch
• Turkey3
• Swampert11
• Fmtfmtfmt2
• Cooldude5367
• Zenet

Nomination is now closed. Thank you for all the nominations!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:15, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I would like to nominate myself.--
Fmtfmtfmt2 (talk | contribs) 00:09, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Added you.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:16, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. --
Fmtfmtfmt2 (talk | contribs) 00:33, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey, fmt :) Nice to see you here
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 01:08, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I've had an account for a while but I am just starting to become active.
Fmtfmtfmt2 (talk | contribs) 02:17, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Yep, I noticed. ;) Anyways, it's pretty fun here - you're probably going to have an awesome time editing. Well, at least I really enjoy it, I'm not sure if everybody does :P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:19, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I`ll love to be in the Experienced Wikian elections!
Cooldude5367 (talk | contribs) 07:37, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Added.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:07, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I hope i'm added :D
Zenet (talk | contribs) 23:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Ok, I threw you on the list.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:05, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

...Well, this was his first day but what do we have to lose?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 02:34, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

The election nominations close tomorrow. We'll announce candidates either after closing tomorrow or the day after.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

YAY!
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 20:29, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Nomination is now closed. Candidates will be announced later today.
jvvg (talk | contribs)

I can't wait to find out who the people are. I will, even if I am one of the 5-6, probably not be chosen as EW anytime soon.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 11:35, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Clarifications about EW election speeches

I notice some of you have already started writing speeches in the form of user subpages for the EW election. Please read this before making your own or adding to one you have:

• There is no guarantee you will be running in the election, the existing EWs and admins have the final say over the list. As such, your speech may end up serving no purpose if you write it now.
• Speeches are supposed to be in paragraph form. Specifically, that means one paragraph. See Scratch Wiki:Elections/September 2013 for speeches from the last election if you're not sure how long they should be. No speech should be any longer than Mathfreak231's.
• Don't be aggressive in your speech. Saying you are more active than other users or comparing yourself to others in any way is not acceptable. Instead, just highlight some stuff you have done, but don't gloat about how you're better than others. Who is better is for the voters to decide.

So while you're welcome to get a jump on your speech, keep the above rules in mind. Failure to follow rule #3 will result in your speech being deleted without warning. Failure to follow rule #2 will require you to truncate your speech on the election page. Keep in mind that when you put your speech on the election page, you will not be allowed to include any links. The whole point is to be concise. Thank you.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't like the no links part. Then I could do something like this: View the full speech here
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:24, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

The whole point of the speech is to explain yourself in one paragraph. If you can't fit it in that paragraph, it's probably not important to potential voters.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:29, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Also, the election has been moved from November to October. The exact dates will be announced later. The nomination period will probably end September 30.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:33, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Humm ok. I might be able to do that. Besides, even though I can name several reasons why it would only be fair for me to be on the list, I probably won't get in.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Also, don't you mean it's not allowed to compare yourself to specific others (e.g. I am more active than GenericScratcher), but I think it's okay to be like "I am one of the most active Wikians", because it's not actually pointing fingers. And plus, in the back of GenericScratcher's head, unless they're the most arrogant person in the world, they will probably be thinking, "every time I get on once, Krett12 has signed into the Wiki 10 times!". But--I do respect your decision, but please keep in mind what I've said.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Basically, don't use an absolute superlative (e.g. "most active"), but stuff like "one of the most active" is ok. If you have to mention the name of another user in your speech, you need to revise.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:52, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Why is the CP archived so fast ? Want at least one Thread back here!

 Done

Somebody has seemed to be very fast with achiving the CP...we just posted a few hours ago in this thread and want it back here, please! We also linked at it in the german wiki here de:GP#Artikel "Scratcher" and now this links are dead only a few hours later. As the CP-Archive here CPA73 is not editable, I have to ask here. Somebody else with fresh Threads that were archived to fast?

• CPA73#Added_Indonesian_and_Russian

MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:00, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, it was big, and when looking at the list of threads I just looked at the subjects and tried to remember which ones were topics of discussion recently Anyway, brought it back.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for re-archiving the thread so fast :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:23, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Linking to CP and CP-Archives very easy using Redirect pages

 Done

You can link very easy to CP-Articles and archived CP-Articles with Redirection pages, like we do it in the german Scratch-Wiki since a long time. To have this advantages also here I added CP and, for example CPA73. So you can now link to:

• CP#Linking to CP and CP-Archives very easy using Redirect pages
• CP#Why is the CP archived so fast ? Want at least one Thread back here!
• CPA73#Added_Indonesian_and_Russian

I hope you also find this usefull :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:00, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't think this is really necessary. It is unnecessary redirects.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Also, all shortcuts need to start with S: We already have plenty of shortcuts for the CP (see the top for a list of them), and making a shortcut to every CP archive is not necessary.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:49, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Please show me a better way to create the links above, that are now red, after you deleted the redirects
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:19, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

SWT:CP#Linking to CP and CP-Archives very easy using Redirect pages

SWT:CP#Why is the CP archived so fast ? Want at least one Thread back here!

Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 73#Added_Indonesian_and_Russian
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:34, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, you can write it a bit longer than we do it in the german wiki, that works:

• S:CPTALK#Linking to CP and CP-Archives very easy using Redirect pages
• S:CPTALK#Why is the CP archived so fast ? Want at least one Thread back here!

but how do you link to articles in archives without complications?
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

You just need to write the full thing out. Archives aren't linked to frequently enough that we really need shortcuts for them.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:35, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, it was only a suggestion. You prefer to have ordered and only a few shortcuts, I prefer to have shortcuts as short and helpfull as possible. So it seems to depend on personal taste.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:50, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not personal taste so much as Wiki policy (although I also prefer simplicity).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:57, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

It's OK for me :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:51, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Added Indonesian and Russian

 Not done

I added the Indonesian and Russian wikis to the interwiki. Their prefixes are "id" and "ru." Here's a page that's already connected to both of them.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 03:26, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I've been adding a lot of russian interwikis :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:27, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Cool!
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 03:29, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

@derpmeup: Same here. :)

@scmb1: Thanks scmb1! I'm glad to see the Scratch Wiki being offered in new languages now.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 03:32, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I have a suggestion that I'm suggesting here because you're ST and why not (:P): On the footer, it just says Scratch Wiki under community. I was thinking - maybe take that out, and add a new section on the footer titled Wikis? And under it would be English with a link to this, ther would be a link to German under that, a link to Russian under that, and a link to Indonesian under that. I might post this in the Suggestions forum later, if you like this idea, feel free to pass it on to the rest of the Scratch Team. :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:47, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Good idea! Perhaps it even would be better to link to the wiki of the language-menu-selection at the Scratch-Website. But perhaps we should wait, until there are more international scratch wikis...they actually seem to pop up like like mushrooms.
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 17:58, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Cool! I just saw it. It's exciting how other languages are joining in! Thanks! :D
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 12:35, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I added the "ru"-Interwiki-Link also to the German and the Indonesian Scratch-Wiki and "interwiki-connected" all versions of the "Scratcher-article (de:Scratcher, id:Scratcher, en:Scratcher, ru:Скретчер) I could edit in all languages: I don't have an account in the russian Scratch-Wiki now, so I couldn't connect "de"= German there. Who can do this? I'm looking forward to the next language-Group asking the DACH-Scratch-Wiki-people to help establishing their Scratch-Wiki (see: de:GP#Indonesian Scratch Wiki). Perhaps we will need an "Interwiki-bot" in the future, to set all "interwiki-back-links" automatically. I think in Wikipedia they have something like that. Who could build such an interwiki-backlink-bot?
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 08:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps we could borrow the code for Wikipedia's inter wiki backlink bot.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:56, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I have a bot that I think does the same thing except in a read-only way. I don't really think it should be moved up to writing just because I've seen so many exceptions on the German wiki alone.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:43, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

mathfreak231 - true, and frankly i really dont want to program another bot lol

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:14, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

mathfreak231 - what kind of exeptions do you mean? Do you meen the usage of Templates with Interwiki-Links? We could get rid of that...Have we to format the Interwiki-Links in a special way, so a bot will find it? Has it to be at the end of every article? The thing is: If we have n wikis and every international wiki sets an interwiki-link only to the same english article manually, that would implicit the n*n-(n-1) interwikilinks that could be done automatically, so by now: 4*4-3=13 and in a few month 21, 31, 43...in wikipedia with over 100 langugages that could be 9.901 interwikilinks....by the way...I found: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_bot
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 15:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

@Martin: It has nothing to do with the placement or formatting of the link in the article; I could easily get around that. It's just that the German and English wikis aren't completely parallel and therefore there might be two pages on the English wiki that have a subject similar to one page on the German wiki, and because there can only be one language link per language per page, we have a problem. That's the kind of exception I mean.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 00:15, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I see what sort of exception you mean now. I think I've even seen a few of them before too, but I can't recall them.
I have an idea. Instead of linking two articles automatically though interwiki, we could maybe force it to only interwiki a list of common articles?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 13:14, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

@Mathfreak231+ErnieParke: The sort of exception, where some articles have not an 1:1 matching translations, are happening all the time in Wikipedia: That's not a problem that can be solved by a bot, but also no argument against interwiki-bots: An interwiki-bot only adds the missing interwiki-links that are implied by the links that human users added: So if the german wiki links to an article and the Indonesian wiki does to, the interwikibot sets the missing backlinks from the english wiki to both, and also the missing link between the indonesian and the german wiki for that article: That's all implied by the frist two links. The first links have always to be done by human user, and human user have to change the structures first, if there are articles, that do not fit for interwiki. In Wikipedia that happens all the time and they have one bot at least for each language to set the implied interwiki-links, see:

• http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_bot
• http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Basic_use

Perhaps we should ask somebody of the interwiki-bot-admins in the folowing linked list, to help us:

• http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Interwiki_bot/Operators ?

MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 11:16, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

minor linking issue

in the news, they link scratchers can be replaced with [[scratcher]]s to prevent to link to redirect.
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:48, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I think it's fine right now, at least it gets you to the page in the end, redirect or not. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:13, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Major is an exaggeration XD
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 11:16, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

More languages for the Wiki

I think it would be very interesting if we added some more languages on the Wiki. At least in my country (Spain), there are many schools using Scratch, and the children, when they don't know something, they ask their teacher. If the Wiki was translated to Spanish, for example, they would be able to research information to be aware of the uses of certain blocks, or how to create X thing by following a tutorial... I know it's been translated into some languages already, but I guess the more the better?
Tcodina (talk | contribs) 15:07, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I was thinking of starting a Spanish wiki. Let's get to work on that.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:07, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I speak Spanish as well. I could help you out.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:09, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm Spanish as well, so I guess I could translate too :) I wonder how shall we do that though?
Tcodina (talk | contribs) 15:11, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

2

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:11, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

We'll just all get together somewhere. I call the technical side.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

*Ahem* I am the one who has four years of experience in PHP and at least two in MySQL. Don't count me out.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I give some of my calling to jvvg.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:22, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Please have a look at de:GP#Indonesian_Scratch_Wiki and the links there. The DACH-Wiki-Community is happy to help establishing more international Scratch-Wikis: We host it and help you to build it up. The only condition is, that you can proove, that you are at least four realy interested Scratchers knowing the target-language, english and Scratch good enough. Proove it, by a forum discussion in the target language and english (mixed) and send the link to that discussion and your call for help in english to interwiki[ät]scratch-dach.info :-)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 18:08, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I think we have 3 right here. Tcodina, Krett12(he is interested in anything :P), and jvvg.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 18:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

You might not have noticed, but there are actually 7 here. The link that KrIsMa gave is a link to a forum topic that collects people interested in forming a new Scratch Wiki in a new language. Currently it has 4 potential Spanish wikians. Unfortunately, after I checked to see if they were active, I haven't yet received a reply from the four Scratchers in the topic.

On a side note, I know some Spanish too. Maybe not enough to make full Spanish articles, but I now enough to hold a conversation.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:36, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

This sounds awesome! My first language is Spanish so I would be totally interested in being a part of this, if it's still open! =D

ZaharaMar 04:14, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
ZaharaMar (talk | contribs)

Awesome! :D
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:16, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

I was wondering if there was a Spanish Wiki already, I guess not. I think it'd be great for the Scratch Wiki to have more languages like the forums!

ZaharaMar 04:35, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
ZaharaMar (talk | contribs)

Put an End to the Arguing

I am not going to mention specific names of users, but it seems there have been a lot of disputes on this Wiki between users and admins and this and that. What is happening to this Wiki? The Wiki is supposed to be a friendly, collaborative place to create information about Scratch yet people seem to focus most of their time arguing over stupid things, or bots, or redirects, or red links. What does any of this really have to do with producing valid information for educators who are learning to program with Scratch?

There is too much blabber-babber (is that an acceptable word?) going on rather than editing. Perhaps it is because there is honestly not too much to edit anymore on this Wiki. When everything migrated to 2.0, it was like the California Gold Rush here, but now it's like the Great Depression. Can't we put aside differences and push our intentions toward enhancing the content of articles?

As I said earlier, in the past two months I was not on here as much, but looking at recent changes I would simply sigh and log out.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, however I think jvvg found a solution to the things that involved me. Other than that, I totally feel ya. I wish I had an account in the day of 1.4 so I could've helped you. Oh well, let's just ask the ST to make Scratch 3.0 so we can, you know, update everything. :P. Back on topic, yes, since we have nothing to do we have nothing BETTER to do.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:22, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

here's my look at it - too much animosity here!

i'm actually a bit sad to think about this after looking at this. We have the capability to be a great wiki which collaborates on edits, and edits the wiki in a great way! somehow, we derailed and we need to get back on track! imagine how happy the wiki can be :)

but i do want to say i care for you all and I want us to be the best wiki that ever existed, and be praised for our dedication and kind with each other! :)!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

krett12,, if you have nothing to do, why not add some documentation to your templates? ;)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:31, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hearing about all these arguments is making me queasy. Like KrIsMa said, we shouldn't be a Wiki full of arguments, but full of kindness and close-knitness.

If you have nothing netter to do Krett12, have you though about looking at my To Do List? I don't mind if you nab a thing or two from there when you can. ;)

Or, this is an idea I thought of, you know how there are templates listing each block in a category? Like at the bottom of show (block)? What if we had a similar template for tutorials?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:44, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I see your views. When I browse the Scratch Wiki's pages, there doesn't seem to be anything that could be improved by editing. Sigh. And I don't like arguing either, and I hope that within the coming days, the situation will die down.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 03:02, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Actually, there are a lot of articles that need expansion. ;) I've expanded about 4 to its full size in the past 3 days. also, the st should really add a new block or 2 soon
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:01, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Really? There's been that many disputes? Either you're talking about a larger timeframe, a ton of things happened while I was on my 3-day Chicago vacation, or I just haven't really been looking at RC attentively.

A great way to look for potential pages for improvement is to look at certain categories in Category:Organization such as stubs/to-expands, Wiki Standards-violating articles, and articles that need to be merged, and to participate in discussions about AfD's, move and merge requests.

You can also go to Special:AncientPages which is possibly the most wonderfulest speshfulest special page ever and if you don't go to it right now you are an abomination to this Wiki.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 12:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Discussing things calmly is always the best option. We may not all agree with each other, but we do need to respect each other. Not everybody will get their way all the time, and we all have to accept that. After seeing the edit wars, I wrote the policy in S:GUIDES about it (if you haven't read that page, please read it before you edit anything more). The most important rule in there is assuming good faith. The rest of the rules are more technical stuff and keeping the formatting right, but the assume good faith rule is really the rule that needs to be followed for the community to work. If we all follow that rule, I think we will get back on track.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:59, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Update on elections

Here is the tentative schedule:

• September 30: nomination closes
• First week of October: candidates are announced
• 3-4 days for candidates to write speeches
• 1-2 day pause for everybody to decide for whom to vote
• 5-7 days to vote
• Results announced, privileges changed, and new EWs take their roles

Also, we are considering an alternative election situation where instead of admins choosing candidates to run from those nominated, everybody can run, but in that case the speeches would need to be much shorter.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 16:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I think we keep it the way we have it.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 16:35, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I think you mean the first week of October.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 16:36, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Oops.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:10, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I think we should keep it the way it is, I don't want to be reading up to 20 speeches :P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 21:39, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ It looks like we're keeping it as admins choose candidates.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that was the best idea.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 21:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay, the admins will choose.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 22:23, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Another update: we are probably not going to hold a bureaucrat election. The admins will stay admins.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the update.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 22:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Scratch Profile Template

I posted this a few days ago, but it got archived with very little discussion: Should there be a template for linking to a Scratch profile easier? I had an idea for one, but I'm not sure if I should make it yet. For example, {{Scratch Profile|<Scimonster>}} would produce Scimonster. What are your thoughts on this template?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:23, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Naw, We don't need that.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:29, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

It would make linking more efficient, but ok - I'll wait to hear some other people's thoughts about it.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:30, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't think we use profile links enough to need a template.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, so most people vote no on it. It's fine, I understand why ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:53, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Agree with Ernie.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 02:22, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

At http://scratch-dach.info/ we use {{u:username}} (u = User) to link to english userprofiles and {{b:username}} (b= Benutzer) to link to our own german profiles: That makes it easy to write a link to the user instead of writing only his/her name: So any reader can have a fast click, to find out who is meant by the name and you dont't have to write "the user ErnieParke of the english Scratch Wiki" but just {{u|ErnieParke}}...I think that's a good idea, but others might think it's not... ;-)

Have a look at this example: de:Scratch-Wiki:Team_Mitglieder#Interwiki Autoren

MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 11:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ hmm, it would be useful to you though because you guys do have a german profile :)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 13:25, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Just an idea...

What if we had a template called "Revisiondate" where we could put in what the revision date of the last revision to a page is.
It gets kind of annoying using "{{#switch: {{REVISIONMONTH}} | 1 = January | 2 = February | 3 = March | 4 = April | 5 = May | 6 = June | 7 = July | 8 = August | 9 = September | 10 = October | 11 = November | 12 = December }} {{REVISIONDAY2}}, {{REVISIONYEAR}}" or something like that all the time.
How about it, guys? I'll create it if it gets approved.
Template:Revisiondate This redlink will stare you down until you approve this template...
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 22:05, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I thought we already had something like this.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:13, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't think so.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 22:18, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

This page was last edited in October.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:24, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I support this :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

@Jvvg That's not the full date, though.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 23:59, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

October 14 2014 19:07:49 better? (btw, my username is lowercase)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

OK then... But wait, the other people have their usernames uppercased. What...!? HOW DID YOU! Oh well, you are an admin...
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:30, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ No, that's not why. I just changed my signature so it's <scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> instead of <scratchsig>Jvvg</scratchsig>. On my userpage, I used {{lowercase title}}. Anyway, despite Wiki nomenclature, I prefer my username lowercase, and the general convention is to call users by their preferred name, not the Wiki-assigned name.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

OK
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

SuperSmashScratch - you haven't noticed how my sig and all subpages of my userpage and talk page are lowercased? ;) I did the same trick as jvvg.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:54, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I usually just look at the icon and I automatically know who it is, not the username.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 20:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

The list of election candidates

The list of election candidates is (drumroll please)...

• derpmeup
• KrIsMa
• -PRO-
• SuperSmashScratch
• Swampert11
• Turkey3

Voting will begin once speeches have been written and everybody has a chance to read them.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:54, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

jvvg, you just made me bang on my laptop for nothing. xD
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 11:58, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

jvvg, my heart is pounding fast right now.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 12:08, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry, that was anti-climactic. I'll probably release it during the second half of chemistry (we usually only use half of the time, as it's a double period - we only use the whole two periods for labs).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 12:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

My heart felt like it was coming out of me.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 12:46, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

i agree with everyone here - that was intense for a second!!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:23, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Haha, same xD -PRO-, I had that exact feeling you're having when I got a comment asking if I was still interested in curator, and when 4 SDS curators recommended me to be one and I got a comment asking if I would like to be one. I accepted both in a heartbeat :P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Let's hope I can sneak in my phone during a period today, and make it look like I'm reading by zooming into the list. :P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ The list has been announced! You can put your speeches on Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2014 (which is now unprotected).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Congratz to all the candidates!
Fmtfmtfmt2 (talk | contribs) 21:04, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm aware that I probably wasn't going to be chosen as I am young, but I hope the election runs smoothly and that we don't run into a situation like the 2000 US election. That was a pretty controversial and botched election!
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 14:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Haha xD
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:52, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

The 200 US election was botched? Why? What happened? (If you do reply, can you do it on my talk page, to keep the CP uncluttered?)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Compliment Tuesday

Recently there's been some negativity going around the wiki. It's sad that a community, one that should be close-knit at that, has gotten so low. To help the situation, KrIsMa and I are hosting compliment Tuesday!
We primarily focused on people with over 50 edits this month, but we included a few other people that we thought deserved to be here. If anyone who isn't on this list wants a compliment, say so, and it shall be your command.
KrIsMa will be posting after me.
On a side note, check out veggie's. ;)

• derpmeup: WOW, are you an active editor! 800 edits in a month! If anything, you are a Wikiholic. You really derp up this wiki. I bet you'll be the next Scimonster too. Not only do you make lots of edits, they are all useful. Thank you for every single edit. You're userpage skills are also amazing (that floating banner was spectacular!), as well as your art skills. I remember seeing your logo projects on your profile, and that art is fancy! (Wingdings was lots of fun!)

• djdolphin: Happy birthday! I hope you get lots of presents. Seeing how you like experimenting with Scratch and sharing your knowledge on the Wiki, you deserve them.

• dolphingirl36: You might not be an active Wikian, but I know you as a great Scratch Mentor, and I wanted to say that I love your optimism. Love it. I can easily see why the Scratch Team choose you as Scratch Mentor, and it was fun overall to be in the Creative Characters Camp with you. (Your CCC cats were purrrrfect. Can't wait to do another with you. ;) ) You make everything fun!

• Krett12: Your edits are great! (Especially the 100,000th!) They're constructive and plentiful, which goes to show: You are an eager, bright excited Wikian who loves making the best of the Scratch Wiki. From the April Fools Wiki to the Scratch Jr Wiki, you always take the opportunity to expand the Wiki (those wikis were unique ideas!). No doubt you are a welcomed member of the family.

• Dmith: Dmith, you are an opportunist. I remember how you started the Russian Wiki all by yourself, and now it's grown a lot! It has over 50 articles, and 5+ active users. Holy guacamole. That's a lot for a Wiki that started in the dust. You're attitude and optimism are gladly welcomed every day of the week.

• veggieman001: You may have become as dormant as a veggie, but deep down, you are a man. Your edits to the Wiki have contributed so much, and the Wiki is appreciative of every single one of them. Why without you and your puppet head touching skills, the Wiki wouldn't be quite the same.

• voxBot: VoxBot, your edits are as sweet as honey, and your edit summaries even tastier yet. There are a lots of things that come to mind when I think of you: delicious, nutritious, wholesome, mouth-watering, and exotic. Oh and that one edit... that capitalized an I... it was the most savory edit ever. I still remember it's taste...

We are glad to have you here VoxBot. :)

• KrIsMa: If I had one word to summarize you, it would be: ~=[,,_,,]:3

Not only are you am amazing Wiki editor (with over 5000 edits! And 20 subpages! :o), you are an amazing person as well. From your emotional music to your poptart-swaggin nyan cat art, from your skills as a teacher to the joy it is to talk with you, you are a great person to know. I am truly glad to have met you. I look forwards to every single chat with you in the future.

B| It's looking at you...

• MartinWollenweber: Your willingness to help thousands of German Scratchers is inspiring. It's motivating to see all of your work with the German Wiki and the English Wiki, and how you helped start the Indonesian Wiki. The work that you've done now will echo forwards for years to come.
  ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

• Scimonster, you are the monster of Science and Wiki edits! You also have a great nickname – psymonster! Do you like psy? you are a great administrator! I love how you have been on the wiki for so long and also edit the wiki a lot! You contribute to the wiki a lot (by replying to discussions and helping delete/protect pages) and also, you were the first person to auto-confirm protect a page! Also, you have a magic power to end disputes! Isn’t that a great power to have? I also love your statuses – some are funny, and some make a lot of sense! Thanks for being a great admin!

• SuperSmashScratch — Interesting name! Have you attempted to replicate Super Smash in Scratch, because that would be COOL! First of all, I love your user page. Isn’t BIG text interesting? I especially love the big text at the top that says CLICK ME!!! So original! Doesn’t OCD make life harder? It does for me - this is because small problems on the wiki, such as abnormal discussion breaks, really distract me. Does it for you – because I hope it isn’t disturbing you a lot! The good thing about OCD - your talk page/user pages are really neat! Nice contributions! You sure love the Community Portal (me too!) and thanks for adding great content to discussions! They help a lot! Thanks for being a gr-8 Wikian!

• -PRO-, you’re the pro at editing the wiki! Seriously! Your edits and thoughts about discussions and edits to pages are really appreciated! Sometimes, you make some small changes to articles – those are appreciated too because you are helping the wiki one step at a time! Also, nice logo! Did you use Photoshop or paint.net? Nonetheless – your art skills are really good (better than mine by a landslide!) Your projects are super nice! I mean, -ArtPRO- has really well-done art! Your poetry – really meaningful! And lastly, your fruit catch game is really well done! I got a score of 25! Thanks for adding really cool projects to Scratch!

• PrincessPandaLover, love your header! I mean, what conveys more meaning than a pink heart and text that says PPL – creating ‘love people’? Also, really nice projects! Those projects take a long time to make, and a lot of dedication! I especially love Club Penguin Shipping in a Nutshell because I play club penguin too! I also love the penguins that you drew! Really cute!! Thanks for being great on Scratch – love your projects!

• Fmtfmtfmt2, nice contributions to the wiki! There was one edit – adding the axis ranges to block pages that I liked. It takes about 1 minute to type and submit, but it adds basic information to the page! And wiki pages need basic information to grow and become complex pages! Also, I really appreciate how you commented on the elections to say “congrats” to others! That shows such a nice heart you have! I wonder what would happen to the wiki if you got cloned 20 times, and got 20 different accounts on the wiki. The wiki would be so nice to each other! Thanks for contributing to the wiki family!

• Turkey3, I still remember seeing that map you drew! I was in awe at that time, wondering how you drew all those trees by hand! That takes a lot of effort to do! It must have taken you a long time – while it would take me years and years to complete! Congratulations on completing the map! It looks awesome! Secondly, I would like to tell you that your contribution to the wiki is immense! You add one thousand byte changes to a page – and they are really helpful! Thanks for that! We all love your contributions! Lastly, I love your poem. Even though you said you don’t like poetry – I like your poetry a lot – and shows how good you are at it! I hope you begin writing more as time goes by; can’t wait to see it! Thanks for all the time you reserve for the internet, either on toms hardware or on the wiki!

• Mathfreak231 – are you a math freak, cause I want 2 31 that you are a great wiki editor! Thanks for all those contributions! I still remember when I first posted on your talk page when you entered the wiki – sorry for being so intimidating – but you understood me and changed! That’s a great symbol that someone is really nice and kind! Now, you are an admin and isn’t admin cool? Also, you are a great admin – deleting pages, editing pages, and reverting oh-so-many revisions from the CP! And you love math! I still remember meeting you and asking you about math Oh, and do you remember the Roblox idea for a Scratch API? That is a smart idea, so don’t abandon it ever! Thanks for being a great admin!!!

• jvvg, ooh! HI! Is admin fun? Thanks for those edits, you also have a magic power - when there is a discussion or a dispute, your brain waves go through the computer and into other people to stop the dispute. Thanks for also helping others! We know your talk page is always busy - but if someone asks you a question, you answer it really well - and that is really appreciated! You also helped me and ErnieParke really well in music! From chord progressions to time signatures - they can never be forgotten! Thanks for those lovely music tips, such as "don't stick to time signature - just let the music flow" and also showing us your piano sonatas! They rock! PS: how's sysing mathfreak231's op?

• Swampert11, wow! did you know, ErnieParke woke up from bed just to tell me that we need to add you? don't you feel so special right now? ;) Your edits are so cool, from talk pages to mainspace then to talk pages then back and forth - you can edit the whole wiki in a heartbeat! Also, thanks for contributing to discussions in talk pages! Without contributions, talk pages would not exist Congratulations on being accepted into the elections! Good luck and many thanks for your edits!

• ErnieParke – We have so much in common! First – we both have skype (), second, we love music and isn’t afraid to have a bit of fun composing it, and thirdly we both believe that the internet can be a place for true friendship! Thanks for being such a great friend! YouareagreatfriendtohaveandIfeelluckytohaveyouasafriend! ALSO, ALL CAPS THURSDAY WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA! WE CAN RULE THE WIKI WITH CAPS! HA HA HA shrimp shrimp! Wow! If I didn't join the wiki, and if you didn't join the wiki, and if we didn't know music, and if we didn't have Scratch, we would of never met each other! If we weren't born... scary to think about, right? hmm, i think so too
  

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! And those 'logo' projects are actually intros, blame Azurine for the name. xD Also, haha, I've looked through Scimonster's contributions from 2011, you're right, we do both have insane activity. :P Do you want to know how I edit so much? I actually do some on mobile during a bit of school, and when I'm going to school I sometimes edit. ;) I also haven't really been getting a lot of homework lately.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 02:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

If anybody wants to see the userpage banner I made that he's referring to, File:RightBackground.png ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 02:40, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I was just reading that, you have club penguin, KrIsMa? :P I was like addicted to that about 5 years ago. xD
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

shh, i totally don't have membership on club penguin too...

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

xD I haven't been active there for years.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:18, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I like what you wrote about me, however it's not very special if everyone got one. I still like it though. At first I thought I wasn't even there, I couldn't find myself, and got very depressed.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully you'll feel better soon, but it's not so bad that you didn't become a candidate - you might in the next election :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment, KrIsMa; and i'll take Ernie's comparison of dermeup to me as a compliment as well. I'm not going to come up with poetic references to people's names, but here are a few notes from me:

• Mathfreak, jvvg, ErnieParke: Thanks for being such great editors. You really make up a good admin/EW team.
• KrIsMa: You've been a helpful editor for a while, keep it up! Great job with VoxBot.
• Turkey3: I first remember all your work on Paint Editor. Since then, i have been continuously impressed.
• derpmeup, -PRO-, SuperSmashScratch, Swampert11: I know you're not the oldest of editors, but you guys have certainly made your mark on the wiki in the time you've been here. I hope to see you guys around for a while longer.
• Interwiki people: Interwiki has been a dream of the wiki community for years. You guys are great!
• scmb1: Thanks for doing the bureaucrat stuff, like EW-ing, Interwiki-ing, and MediaWiki-updating. The wiki would not be quite the same without you.

Thanks to everyone who has helped out the wiki!
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks KrIsMa! And I have tried, and shared it, but unshared it afterwards.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 11:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

KrIsMa, you don't know how much that meant. I was almost crying. Thank you for all of that. Ernie, you too. Thank you.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 12:00, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

@Sci: And I'm not losing interest, so I'll be here for a while. ;) I also noticed that SuperSmashScratch got accepted on the same day as me!
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 13:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Close. I got accepted one day after you.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 20:14, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

@derpmeup new: You did? I guess you can say that SSS and you are twins. That explains a lot of things!

@Psymonster: Aw... thank you Sci. I guess we do make a good team of EW/admins. Thank you for being a great editor and admin too.

@Krett12: Why would we leave you out? As I said, you are a welcomed member of the family. :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I just made a page where everyone can do this! :D
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 21:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

What is "Psymonster"? If it's something about pop culture, i'd prefer if you don't use it for me. ;)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 06:58, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Yes sci, it is about pop culture.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:38, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Oppa Gangnam Style! xD
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 11:50, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

@SighMonster: No, it's not a pop culture reference. It's a rhyming reference. ;)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:52, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I came up with psymonster, haha. I uploaded it in July, here it is:

derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:05, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Oppa sciman style!

If that was a real portrait of sci... :P
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:27, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Are we sure this wiki was created in may?

this edit appears to be made in march.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:03, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

When the Wiki was transferred over from Wikia, all of the revisions were also transferred.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 01:12, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

No they were not. WikiaWiki may be based on MediaWiki, but you can't do that. All of the PAGES were transferred over, but not the revisions. If that was possible, who would it appear made those revisions? Not everyone on the Scratch Programming Wiki got accounts here. If that was true, where is LukeTek's account
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:13, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

If that wasn't true, then why does fieryblackrose not have an account but they have contributions in page history? ;) I said transferred revisions over, not accounts. You can see that the 6 main accounts on the old Wiki were re-created here by JSOadmin in the user creation log (Jonathanpb, andresmh, Lucario621, JSO, Chrischb, and JSOadmin).
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 02:22, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

What Day Does Voting Start?

^^
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 20:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

It depends on what time we take to do all the things, we don't know all that much yet.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 20:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Based on jvvg's timeline above, probably mid-next week.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 21:16, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Monday sound good for everybody?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I think a little earlier would be nice. How about sunday?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:05, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

That would work. Everyone else ok with that?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:11, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Yep, even though that's my birthday party day. Though I'll get voting plans planned right now.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 23:12, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Sunday works! I already have who I'm going to vote for and the order planned out. :3
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:20, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Weekend sounds good to me.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:59, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I am okay with Sunday.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 00:21, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Sunday it is. Can some people who are more active on the main site please try to get the word out to less active contributors?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:24, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure! I have 700+ followers and I joined about 10 months ago, I'd say that I could get the word out with my "popularity". ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 01:11, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey - why not get the Scratch Team to put it in the Scratch News?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 01:11, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

wow 700+!? i have less than 50 - but most scratchers dont have a wiki account - so can they vote?!\

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

http://scratch.mit.edu/users/derpmeup/#comments-3925416
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 02:20, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

nvm! i'll go to some inactive profiles and post

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ done about 12-18 recently active profiles!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:44, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Nice! Who did you notify?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

most of the people that are on the activeuser list but have more than 10 edits ;)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:55, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I noticed you used an account called 'scratchwikipedia' to do it. xD
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:10, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I notified rtftts.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 11:42, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

May I have permission to view the request queue....

There are several reasons why I would like this right. With the new EWs, they all say they are going to accept requests, but what are we going to do if that doesn't happen? I feel that there is a flood of requests. I can already roll back edits, so this would make me a half-ew.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:57, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

i think jvvg has it covered ;)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

He can't do them all, I have a feeling more requests are going to start coming in. When we release the interview thing, people will ask to sign up for the Wiki thinking that they will get into the interviewing team.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:08, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

That's if we release the interview thing.

Anyway, don't forget me and Sci help jvvg too. Plus with the addition of two EW's coming up, we definitely have account requests covered.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:17, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Did you read my speech? ;) I said that I've actually shown to be experienced and good at looking through repetitive tasks, why else was I a past curator (looking through tons of project submissions) and an SDS curator (also looking through tons of project submissions)? I would definitely help out, in fact, if I win - the first thing I do will be looking at the request queue! Well, looking at it, not accepting until I've comprehended how to handle it. ;P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 02:19, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Krett12, 'what are we going to do if this doesn't happen' - the main role of Experienced Wikians is actually doing that, why would they nominate themselves and put that in their speech if they were lying?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 02:23, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

They were originally for that, yes, but they can get very distracted. I am also planning on making some changes and so I would like to use the queue if I helped work on it.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:37, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ distracted doing what? ews was created just for requesting accounts - and ews and admins are 100% covered with account creation right now - most are declined anyways
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:44, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

My point is we need a more diverse group of people handling requests. They all seem to handle it the same way, everyone but jvvg is really lax, jvvg is strict.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:54, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

but the people handling the requests will still be lax, even if you get access to the request accounts. you could tell the admins to be less lax, though :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:58, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Those 'new diverse people' will be the 2 new EWs. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

???

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

What you want is to basically circumvent the EW election and be appointed. The queue is covered well enough as it is, and it will be done even better by new elected EWs.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

You are saying "What are we going to do if that doesn't happen?" That's a pretty big if, considering that's the most important aspect of being an EW. If they don't help processing account requests, then I will continue processing the majority of them. The reason I am fairly strict is that I want to maintain high standards on the Wiki, and as such have high standards for account requests.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 12:42, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I also try and maintain high standards, like @jvvg. If an account requestor doesn't look motivated or doesn't have good standards, I won't accept them. It's important to choose good people because they will become the wiki's standard.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 13:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@KrIsMa: Krett12 said 'we need a more diverse group of people to accept account requests' and I was saying those people who would make it more diverse would be the 2 new EWs.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 13:46, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, when I asked for this, I didn't mean NOW, I meant when the new EWs stop. And let me repeat myself there. "I meant when the new EWs stop". Well, maybe I meant if, but we're all going to leave the Wiki in a few years, right? So I think we're going to need the people processing requests more on the new side (no offense for some of those people who have been around for a long time)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:23, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ If some EWs leave, we will hold another election to get more. You are welcome to run in it whenever it may be.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:25, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm probably not leaving until my adult years, AKA 7 or so years from now.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 20:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

wow!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:07, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@KrIsMa: Yeah. O_o

@fmtfmtfmt2 hi
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:45, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

@mytwin hello!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:20, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

But I'm not asking for the full thing in a few years. I'm asking for just one part closer to now. Also, I think people are missing the point. We don't want active people. We want more people. That way it shows to people that the Wiki is a team effort, and not just a handful of people.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:23, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

“	We don't promote people because it's fun, we promote because we need to have another active user with the specified rank. The less people with power there are, the lower the chance of somebody getting into a user with power's account and causing damage to the Wiki. We want to keep the users with power to as few as we need.	”
– scmb1

derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:27, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

It's not fun. Jvvg (start of a sentence requires an uppercase name) says it's pretty tiring, and I believe him. I am on other wikis with a situation like this. And about the password thing, do you want me to change my password to something like 237948723948723948729384729837492837492837492387429387492837492? Because I am on wikis so popular I have to in order to stop hackers. I can just C&P out of a text file. And BTW, I was thinking on doing some modding to the ConfirmAccount, so I should have access to the queue for the same reason jvvg does : I helped (well, not yet, but I will later)make it.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:35, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't saying it was fun - that's scmb1's opinion on promotion.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:47, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ 'Wikis so popular' is this you? ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:49, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Wow, you're on Wikipedia too @Derpmeup and @Krett12?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 23:53, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but I edit a lot less there - I joined 2 months ago and have about 20 edits.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:54, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ As in my typical style, I'm going to address the frivolous thing first. Please keep my name lowercase, no matter when you are using it. My name is lowercase, even if it starts a sentence. Now for the real point of my message: We do not in fact want more people. That sentence "We want more people." is incorrect. We want a few reliable people, and no more than that. If we have 10 people reviewing account requests, then things will get crazy, keeping things standard will be a mess, and the potential for vandals to get in or legitimate users to be denied goes way up. If we just have a few people (the most active are Mathfreak231 and myself, as well as Sci and ErnieParke that do a few), then it's much easier to keep it coordinated. As for the security thing, I should point out that nobody said anything about your password that I can see. The other big point is that you are changing your goal mid-discussion. You have said the following things:

“

Well, when I asked for this, I didn't mean NOW, I meant when the new EWs stop.

”

“

But I'm not asking for the full thing in a few years. I'm asking for just one part closer to now.

”

Anyway, since when are you an authority on how "fun" it is to process account requests? Although it can be a pain to process the annoying ones, I enjoy discussing with users what they will contribute (provided they have some idea) and accepting the good ones.

Before you go modding the Wiki, please explain why exactly you would be modding the ConfirmAccount extension. Do you not trust or like my code?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:37, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Also, this may sound very cynical (well, it is, it's in my nature to be cynical), but it looks to me as if you added the thing about modding the extension just because you want access to the queue. You didn't say anything about it before, and if that was your primary goal, I'd imagine it would have been stated in the original post.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:39, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Really? I meant to say that *before* I asked for permission. I know how it may seem, I am not just trying various things to get access. And I thought about that too, jvvg. Closer to now ≠ now. I do see what you mean, and if you want I will tell you one thing I want to mod. I am big on no-red, right? Well, instead of the creating user creating the user & talk page, the USER BEING CREATED does it, to make the contribs link blue!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Ya know, red contribs links are a good way to tell how many users accepted shouldn't have been, which can help gauge the effectivity of the account standards. Anyway, making an edit with another user without logging out the original user is pretty difficult.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:49, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

There's also the whole "output vs input" debate. For relatively little output (no red contribs links), there's a lot of input, including potential security holes and bugs.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:50, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

OH NO! THAT'S TOO GOOD A POINT!! (jk, i'm not getting angry again) But I think you're right--however I do have another list of changes. Also, about that, check out this. Nah, not even the great Krett12 can do that.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:53, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

And about that editconflicting post I guess you are right.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:53, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, that brings up the issue of security again. Letting one user edit as another can potentially open up a lot of holes. Then, you have the problem of integrating that extension with ConfirmAccounts, and integration between separate pieces of code (ConfirmAccounts was created by Aaron Schultz, then modified by me, and the Sudo extension was created by Daniel Friesen) is very rarely seamless. As I said in my previous post, it's not worth potentially compromising the security of the Wiki for what's essentially an aesthetic

issue.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:57, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I see you are right--but still should I make the other changes I wanted to make?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:25, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ What changes would those be?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:24, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Making it more step-by-step and also changing MediaWiki pages for the extension.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:02, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

It works well enough now. I don't think changing it is warranted.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:09, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Don't say no to makin' stuff better!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:14, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

If making stuff better also means making stuff potentially break, then I can be skeptical. What actual problems are there with the current system? Just something you want to improve doesn't really qualify as a problem.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:17, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I think that there should be a more step-by-step approach to it, and, I think the verification code should be right after entering the username, and you won't get to anything else until after that. I also think the interface from the EW's perspective could be improved.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:20, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

How can you say that the interface from the EW's perspective can be improved if you haven't even seen it yet? It's perfectly good as it is.

Also, as for updating the account request process, I think it's completely fine at the moment. I think it's better as being seamless versus being step-by-step.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 18:26, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

ErnieParke, I am on the AF Wiki, I have seen the Scratch-modded version of ConfirmAccount. And if you are calling it "seamless" you obviously don't see what I mean. I am talking about walking the user through it gently, not hurtling the whole page at them at once.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:31, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ The page has the following elements:

• Username
• Request notes
• Agreeing to SWG
• Verification
• Password

I don't think that's particularly overwhelming.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:33, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

When it's in a list, yes. But for someone just joining, it's hard and it makes your heart pound!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:37, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Um, ^{[citation needed]}. Seriously, you're trying to sensationalize it. It's actually very simple to use.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:38, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

+lots.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:45, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Sci and jvvg. The process is simple. Put in your username, not shocking. Put in request notes, hopefully takes a few minutes. Agreeing to SWG, not shocking. Verification, maybe some suspense. Password, not shocking. I don't think we need an update. If we did need one, wouldn't other people chip in saying so?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:17, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Although each thing by itself is trivial putting it all together makes a huge mess. Also, I think that some MediaWiki pages should be changed and I will request all the changes (or ask for ability to edit the interface). I know I felt kind of overwhelmed when I filled out the form.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:58, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Do you want to know the reason that I made it one page? The reason is that the original version of the extension was one page and making it multiple pages would also make it a mess. It's not just the kind of "mess" you are saying it is, but a mess that means code errors and makes it much easier to compromise the system. Anyway, making it multiple pages would just make it a "mess" that's spread out over multiple pages instead of a "mess" that's on one page. It's the same amount of stuff, I don't see how splitting it up would make it less "overwhelming" (especially when it's not actually overwhelming in the first place).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

checkpoint 1

If you don't want it on multiple pages, fine. But I still would like to change the wording a bit, do some minor fixes on the code, and make changes to the MediaWiki pages. The finished version will be a lot better.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, you're welcome to create it, but don't hold your breath on it being implemented. Also keep in mind that it needs to be easily installable when the extension already exists. Anyway, even if you do create it, you probably won't be made an EW. I was made an EW to oversee successful implementation of a completely new system, you are just making small changes.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:06, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I was kind of exaggerating on the "small" part. Everything will be fine.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:09, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

should we reference 2.0-related links in 1.4 articles, or vice versa?

ErnieParke brings up a great point!: Talk:Project Tags (1.4)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:18, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, i think so.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:19, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't think so. 2.0 is not 1.4.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 03:36, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree with SuperSmashScratch.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:34, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Stop Using class='faq'

For those frequently asked question pages, I find the grey box to be not so pretty. First off, it should be centered with:

margin:1em auto 1em auto

Secondly, it could use a different border color than background-color, a CSS3 shadow, and you get the point. Maybe a bit less padding.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 17:09, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Should we change the colors of the FAQs to something different?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 17:11, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree with derpmeup.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 17:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I say use the current color as the border which'll be 2px solid, have a background-color of #F5F5F5 and a shadow of color #CCCCCC
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 17:13, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

So instead of not using it, just fix it. 😉
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:44, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

How do I changed the faq styling? It is a CSS class built into Scratch Wiki.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 19:50, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

It's defined towards the end of MediaWiki:Common.css.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:18, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

SWS doesn't show announcement

I defined an announcement at MediaWiki:Sitenotice, but it only shows in Vector.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:42, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, let's fix the skin then! Also, I use Vector and I see no announcement.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:42, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

He removed it.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 17:44, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Least Edited Namespace

I believe I've found it: here
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:27, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I actually edited that namespace 8 days ago, and it's not showing up there because of the 7 day limit. ;) Click on a higher date limit. I think category talk is close behind it.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 18:53, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

There are actually a few edits beyond the 30 day time limit: Clicky Clicky
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:18, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't see 50 changes in 7 days, I see 500 changes in 30 days. I have changed my prefs.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:04, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Still, I think we can all agree this namespace is very, very unused.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 01:09, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Either Fix or Turn Off Tweaker

I am tired of getting messages about election updates when nothing has even changed at all. Every time Tweaker tells me the new score which is different every time when no one new votes. This needs fixed.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 21:58, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Actually the votes have changed. I checked its output.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm still alive

Hello. I know I'm not exactly an active user but I thought someone was going to remind less active users that there is an upcoming election. I don't really mind, I was just wondering. And if voting is still going, where can I vote?
AonymousGuy (talk | contribs | Scratch account)

right here
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:38, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

This link is more specific. :P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Quick log-in

Rtftts asked me to log in as him and vote. He already told me who to choose, so I will be rtftts for a sec.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:33, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Why did he want you to do it for him?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:35, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Because he had no time to. He said he wouldn't be active enough to do so, and he was confused about the whole process. It's even on his profile, the comment that says that, but server maintenance is right now, so you can't go to it.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I would never get into someone else's account without permission, that's not right to do that.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, this'll have to wait. I'm trying to remember the password.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:46, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Scratch works for me....
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:47, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

You probably aren't using http://scratch.mit.edu then. Or maybe it's your cache?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:52, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Just took care of it.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 01:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Please stop taking away rtftts's vote.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 13:55, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

It is the policy.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:58, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Really? I don't see any rule against it and I didn't modify the others' votes.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 14:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

You don't get to arbitrarily come up with policy.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:40, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Compliment tuesday #2

The next compliment Tuesday has rolled around, so let's get started! I'm only going to write a few, but everybody else feel free to join in:

• Krett12: Thank you for being enthusiastic about the election and writing the various bot scripts to help us out. Although I voiced disapproval of your results bot earlier, it looks pretty nice now that the format is better.
• derpmeup: You're still fixing lots of articles, and although you may not always receive much recognition for it, please know that we all appreciate it.
• SuperSmashScratch: You also are hard at work on fixing the various issues with articles that show up. Keep it up!

Feel free to reply with more!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:26, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I always am sure to thank the people who take lots of work to make the wiki a better place. :) I have my own one of these going here, not just on Tuesday.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 15:29, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I just find a lot of articles that I could improve in some way :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 15:47, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

To all the active authors of this wiki and participants of the compliment projects: Wow, I really like how you work together to solve problems and to make the Wiki a nice place and community. Also, all those compliments are very encouraging. At least mine absolutely made my day, if not my whole week and probably every day when I will think back to it. Scratch doesn't pay passion with money, but with something even better: With joy, friendship, appreciation and experiences. That's something unique, that not every website offers and it is awesome that the Wiki communities does their best to preserve the positive spirit of Scratch. That's so nice and inspiring and I think I'll suggest having something like a "compliment tuesday" in the DACH Wiki asap. Thank you everyone! - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 19:30, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome, and I agree, that was really nice of derpmeup to do that.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 19:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

No problem. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 19:45, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Archive

I think this needs an archive. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 16:59, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Please welcome our two new EWs

Please welcome our two new Experienced Wikians, KrIsMa and Turkey3! They will gain their privileges sometime in the coming days.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:48, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

No, no, no! There was a huge miscommunication! It was not to end today at all! Nope! It was to end a week from now'.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

where do you get the week away from?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:19, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Voting started Sunday, so it ended on Sunday too. But then it was extended to Tuesday.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:21, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

tuesday this week? ;) voting started on saterday

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:23, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Nope! It still needs to go on for a week! Geez, not even admins can be trusted to start stuff without asking if they can cut things a week short
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:24, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

wait, an admin explicitly said "next week"? did i miss it? :(

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:26, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Quote:

Author:	Turkey3
Text:	“ How long do the elctions last? Through Sunday I assume? ”

Quote:

Author:	Scimonster
Text:	“ Give a few days. Maybe Tuesday? ”

Quote:

Author:	ErnieParke
Text:	“ That sounds good! ”

Quote:

Author:	jvvg
Text:	“ How 'bout when I get home (8-10 hours from now)? ”

Quote:

Author:	SuperSmashScratch
Text:	“ That's fine with me. ”

Anyway, besides, I think just about everybody that was going to vote voted. Dragging it out another week would be ridiculous. I also do not appreciate you saying we're not trustworthy.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:27, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Through Sunday. So it will be up until the next Sunday, and then to Tuesday. And you might not like me saying that, but because of this, you aren't very trustworthy. Now I have to alert people nothing's changed, this is gonna be hard.....
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:30, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

You only read half of my message. Please read the part after the quotes.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:32, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Anyway, do you seriously think that the two or three more votes we might get in a week would even change the outcome? It's extremely unlikely, and the votes of users who are active enough to check once in four days are the votes that we really want anyway.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:33, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Fine. But we should still wait a week.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

All waiting a week would serve to do is create more anxiety and distract from productive editing, all the while not actually changing the results.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:37, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, Tweaker hasn't posted, so nothing official.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh wait I did program it to post today! It will so so in about half an hour.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Tweaker is not and was never decided to be the official arbiter of the election. It simply was to provide updates and update the results. The official results are from any script and being posted manually.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:42, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Awesome - have fun with your new positions! :D Also, jvvg, the only thing that could change by waiting a week is me passing turkey3, but that's probably not gonna happen. I hope that KrIsMa and Turkey3 will be awesome Experienced Wikians!
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:10, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Welcome KrIsMa and Turkey3 as admins! I know you guys will do great! I can't wait to start teaching you guys about being ew's.

(PS. No ew to admin election?)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:43, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Nope, you're our new admin (as soon as scmb1 changes it). If you have any questions about that, feel free to ask me, mathfreak, or Sci.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:45, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Ernie! I am aprticularly looking forward to doing account requests. I know you guys find it annoying when people post silly things but I find it quite hilarious at times, and am pretty patient at reading stuff.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:46, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

If you want, I can share with you the list of the worst ones (if I do, please keep it between the EWs/admins, though).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:50, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

yes please! :P

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:51, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Hehe, this is already getting exciting! I would probably need promoted first by scmb1 to be shared them.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:52, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Yeah, that way we can safely share emails. I'll leave it in one of the old account requests or something.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

@Turkey3: I agree, account requests can be fun at times. The best thing is writing sarcastic account rejection comments when needed. (Only EW and admin see them!)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that only works for the Scratch Wiki. With other wikis, they will be able to see them in e-mail so you have to be respectful about it :(
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

@jvvg thanks for mentioning the anxiety part.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:11, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Quick vacations

The Wiki has been getting a little heated lately, with a lot of disputes. I'm considering taking a break for a few days once the election results are finalized. If so, I encourage others to follow along. Thoughts?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

taking a break? that means more arguments will be brought up without your dispute skills

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:09, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Lately, my dispute skills haven't been as good as they normally are. Part of the reason I need a break is to free up some time in my life so I can relax some, and my lack of any relaxation is contributing to the worsening of my dispute skills. :P
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

hmm, in this case a break is a good idea!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:24, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I might actually do this too, but I'm worried it will get me in an inactive habit like I was in a couple months ago D:
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 01:42, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Knock yourself out.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:50, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I'll be unactive too, playing Bravely Default, Super Smash Bros. for 3DS, and Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. They are the video games I just got. I am also taking a break because of all the arguments and the Rtftts thing.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 03:39, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I see some disputes jvvg, but some of us don't argue. I think you saw that in my comment on your profile. I think I will take a couple days off. I need it. Maybe run even though my final meet is today.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:47, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

What kInd of things do scratch wiki need ??

What type of articles do scratch wiki need'?
Cool-d1234 (talk | contribs) 06:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Any specific articles about Scratch that haven't been created yet. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 13:44, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Right now, i'm not sure if we need new articles, but there are plenty that can be updated. See what you can do about Category:Outdated Articles. :)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 17:11, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Project Editor Article

I was thinking about turning the redirect I made to a section a few days ago into an article. There's already a Paint Editor article, and a Scripts Area article, but I was thinking, should we have a Project Editor article that covers the whole thing? If so, then I'll get right to making it.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 17:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Seems like it would be more of a disambiguation.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:37, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Actually, there is already something about the whole thing here.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:38, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but that's a small section. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 02:15, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

What I'm saying is, you wouldn't be able to because it is already a redirect to a part in an article, that's just as important as an article.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 18:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

"The Scratch Wiki" on the Scratch Wiki Home

Hello! In the Skype Meeting of the DACH Wiki we noticed that the information about the DACH Wiki given in the Box "The Scratch Wiki" on the Scratch Wiki Home Page is a bit outdated. We have more than 400 articles already :) It would be nice if someone who has permission to edit that page could update it. Thank you. - LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 19:18, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Updated. Btw, we should include something about the Indo and Russian Wikis. Any suggestions for how to format that?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:27, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

You mean to link to them? We could use external links to say "There are also the Indonesian (with external link) and Russian (with external link) Scratch Wikis for those who speak those languages" or something.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 01:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I meant a format. If anybody can come up with a suggestion for better text in that box, I would love to hear it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:07, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I feel it would be crowded in that box with two more languages! I think instead of adding descriptions of the Indo and Russian wikis in their, we could link to a page with every language supported. Something like:

The Scratch Wiki is a free, collaboratively-written wiki that provides information about the Scratch programming language and its website, history, and phenomena surrounding it. The wiki is supported by the Scratch Team, but is primarily written by Scratchers. The Scratch Wiki is a popular source of information for scripts and tutorials, and it continues to grow as Scratchers use it as their primary source of information.
For German-speakers, there is the DACH-Scratch Wiki, available here. It is run separately from the English wiki. It currently has over 400 articles.
Their are Scratch Wikis available in other languages. To view their descriptions, visit [[this page]].

ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I think instead of a paragraph about each, just list them:

• German (Duetchse) — > 400 articles
• Indonesian (...) — ....
• Russian ...

How does that sound?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:37, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

is it possible that i create another account to see the wiki in a non admin perspective?

just wondering ;)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:25, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

VoxBot
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:28, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me!!!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:29, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Haha np :3
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:29, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

test
VoxBot (talk | contribs) 04:30, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, yes, but bots do have some extra prvs too! They have higher API limits, they can be hidden from recent changes, and I can't remember what else. But besides, being an EW does not mean there are bells and whistles here and there, you're thinking of bureaucrat. Geez, I know you're happy, but, it's just an EW. And, one more thing, you can approve accounts, you can't create them.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

"Just an EW" - no offense Krett, but you went on a rage when you found out you were not running :/
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 14:56, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Not because I wasn't gonna be an EW. That I didn't mind. The reason why I was mad is because it was like telling me that I couldn't even possibly be good enough to be a candidate, that I am just some person in the background. That's what I cared about.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:02, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘

“	And, one more thing, you can approve accounts, you can't create them.	”
– Krett12

KrIsMa could just send a request with a new account he could make on the main site with the request notes simply being "alt", and then KrIsMa could log into their main account and accept it. So, they kinda can create their own alts. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:05, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

@KrIsMa Do you mean in a non-EW perspective?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 14:51, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, he's goin' a little nuts with this "EW" thing.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:03, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

i'm not going with this ew thing just asking

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:07, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

It's fun doing this
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 15:10, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

No it's nut!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:12, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

@Derpmeup Yes, that is true, but 1) They have to own that account on the main site 2) The user & talk pages will be autocreated 3) It's a bit more work
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:14, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

jvvg, turkey3

should we share emails/skype names so we can chat together? ;)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 13:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

i mean post emails so we can talk on emails/skype ;)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 13:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

My email is currently stored in the oldest rejected account request still on the list.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:50, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

did you want my email?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 13:51, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Just shoot one to me and then I have yours.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:53, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

oh i tried going to the oldest revision and it isn't there :(

maybe it only shows to you??

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 13:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh, the queue just got purged. Try the oldest one now.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ still can't see it, weird! maybe User:jvvg/emails?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:03, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure, put it there then delete it. I'll email you.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:03, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Go to my website Gwiddle and you can find the email on the Get an Account very first section of the documentation. page.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 14:57, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

For some reason, on Site Advisor (by McAfee), it says your site is risky to visit xD
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 18:38, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

That is a Mcaffee-only problem for unknown reasons, I contacted them but never seemed to get it white listed.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 18:48, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Wow, this is cool.

When creating a user account, the user page & talk page, and the account will all be created in about 1 second.

KrIsMa managed to make an edit in between those:

Let's all give KrIsMa a round of edits! (or whatever applause is on a wiki)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

LOOOOOOOOOOL
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:49, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

If that was me, I would claim I did it on purpose.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:20, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

You probably would've have to have been a psychic to detect the exact second jvvg hit the create button ;P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:21, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

What did i miss?

I haven't checked in since Tuesday. What did i miss? (It's holiday season...)

I already saw that turkey3 and KrIsMa became EWs, and ErnieParke is now an admin. Congrats, guys! You deserve it. :)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 17:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Nothing, really.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 19:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Sci! I'm glad to be admin. :)

Other then nothing, jvvg, Sci, KrIsMa, and I all exchanged emails (and Skype accounts) so that we can be in contact with each other, and I also composed another song (to be posted on jvvg's talk page).
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Question about a page

Do we have a thing that has a tutorial for making a simple platformer yet, without scrollX or scrollY?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 21:06, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes we do: How to Make a Basic Platformer
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:08, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Merging…

See it: metawikipedia:Help:Unified login. What do you think about it? We can merge Indonesian, Russian, Deutsch and English wikis! — Dmith ^{(talk | contribs)} 18:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

That would be a cool idea.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 18:08, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

I like the idea of merging account creation between the wikis because it would make having multiple language accounts easier, but it would also create a lot of accounts that don't get used. Like how Indonesian users wouldn't need accounts on the German Wiki.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:57, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

ErnieParke has a point, however nice idea anyways Dmith.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 00:13, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that is true. However, I think that unified login could serve some other purposes
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:35, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

That looks really cool, but I can't find anything on that page on how to implement it on other Wikis. I only can find the description of its usage on WikiMedia.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:10, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh, tnx 4 supporting! I really don't know, how to do it, but we can ask WikiMedia admins! — Dmith ^{(talk | contribs)} 20:43, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm Back

After taking a well needed mini vacation from the Wiki, I have returned. I had my final CC meet on Wednesday and I got 22nd out of 70 runners. I also ran my best time all year by far. So did I miss anything?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 12:39, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I think the winners had their rights changed while you were gone
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:17, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

ooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (Like what kids used to do in fifth grade). You just got burned!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:18, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Hmm... Thanks. Very exciting time for the Wiki. Surprised no one has thanked me for getting the election ball rolling. Krett you edit conflicter.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:20, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah - thanks for that! But, I was actually thinking about starting a CP topic for a bureaucrat election between the 3 admins for months, because every active bureaucrat was in the Scratch Team.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:22, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I got the whole thing started. Then you wrote a novel as a reply.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:23, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Haha I remember that x3 I think my post kicked off the idea of the bureaucrat election.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:25, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Yeah. No one got picked bureaucrat though.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:50, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I remember in the email conversation where we picked EW candidates, it was brought up that Scmb1 wasn't excited about a bureaucrat election, so eventually we decided that we wouldn't hold a bureaucrat election.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:49, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. I heard that.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 23:11, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

WARNING TO NEW EWS : NOOO!

Click anywhere on this blob of text. You can't do that. It's bad. Getting yourself tangled up in a web of rollbacks can really confuse the rollback system, users, and a lot more. If you believe that a rollback was wrong, undo or bring it up on the talk page. This is not good and I don't believe that anyone should be doing it. It's not good, and once it took down the whole page. Don't ask me how, I wasn't involved in it. But please remember not to do this, this is very important.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:55, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

What in salamander Jimmy's name are you talking about.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 13:59, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

A talk page message was removed by a rollback. I think that was you, Turkey.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 14:01, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

if you are patrolling edits, make sure it pops up a message afterwards saying "edit patrolled", and if the page refreshes, you probably accidentally rolled back an edit.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:11, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

If you are taken to a new page, you rolled it back. If you see a small pop up, you patrolled it. I think that's a lot easier to understand than what you said :P
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:14, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm not patrolling anymore anyways. I think it's dumb that there is no javascript confirmation before rolling back.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 16:34, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

It's supposed to be quick and fast; confirmation ruins everything.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:00, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ true.
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:52, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I swear there was a discussion, before my time, started by Sci about adding an extension for rollbacking. It would have a confirm option and allow an edit summary to be added.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:55, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Namespace Suggestion

I know this might be a bit hard to add (due to it not normally being included in MediaWiki), but I have a suggestion for an entire new namespace. Normally, special pages are just data reports - but I was thinking about something. Every namespace except for special pages has a talk namespace to go along with it, so would it be possible to add a "Special talk" namespace? I think it would be a good idea to have for discussing special pages, but I'm not sure if it actually is able to be added in the first place. So, if it's possible to create, I'd like to suggest for the "Special talk" namespace to be added.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 19:42, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

I think you can only have talk pages with regular namespaces, and special pages by definition aren't in a regular namespace. I don't think you can add "Discussion" to the pencil menu without hacking the software, which could be done in theory, but would be a lot of work for a fairly small gain. For talking about special pages, I think we can just keep it on the CP.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:51, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Agree with jvvg. Way too much work for way too little benefit.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:00, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

MobileFrontend extenstion

mediawikiwiki:Extension:MobileFrontend — I think, we can use mobile interface forum our wiki. — Dmith ^{(talk | contribs)} 20:57, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

That actually looks like a nice extension! I support it.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:01, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it can be such a pain to use the wiki on my iPad. :)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:13, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

really? i find it about the same ;)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 08:02, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't like mobile interfaces, let's just keep using the users' default skin everywhere.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 10:55, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

No, I mean, this skin will be as default for mobile — Dmith ^{(talk | contribs)} 13:04, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I think that we should use it for mobile devices. Then I can edit with my tablet and my computer at the same time! It can be hard on tablets to edit.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Support! Did you know about 70 percent of my edits on weekdays are done on mobile?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 17:41, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I need your opinion on the potential new Guidelines.

So, I created a new version of the Scratch Wiki Editing Guidelines that is, at least in my opinion, clearer, more concise, more organized and more appealing to new users.

Check it out! Compare it to the current one!

I was thinking that the more stylistic things (proper discussion formatting, capitalization, etc.) should go in another page all their own, a style guide.

So, what do you think of the new version? What does it still need to include? What shouldn't be there? Should it be completely rewritten again?

I'm eager to see what you think. :)
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:53, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I like Alex's, mathfreak's version better.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 16:23, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Looks nice! I'm just fixing a few writing mistakes. It looks a lot more human to read and less like just a list of rules.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Read and less?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:29, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I was trying to say the article was more human (easier to read) and that it looks less like just a long list of rules like the old guidelines.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:31, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

In my head, I was placing the comma in the wrong place.

You:
more human to read, and less like
Me:
more human to read and less, like

I see it now.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:37, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Great job, Mathfreak.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 17:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Not bad! Support!
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 20:55, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Nice - it's now official!
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 20:56, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks -PRO-. You probably know I don't like it when people call him "Alex" because I am Alex too. :P
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 17:49, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure there's also another editor named Alex here, active or not lol
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 19:01, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

What OSes (in real life, not Scratch OSes) can Scratch be used on?

^^
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 17:53, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I believe PC's (not sure which version of windows and up), Macs (same), Linux (same), Ubuntu (unsure), and Chrome OS (same as PC). There might be other OS's that support Scratch, but they're getting a bit vague.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:32, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

The downloaded version only runs on Desktops(Windows, Mac, Linux) but the online version can run if Adobe Flash is installed.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:08, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Time to archive

It doesn't seem like anything is getting anymore posts anymore, and there is a lot of topics.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 18:11, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

I brought this up about 20 topics ago but nobody actually archived it xD
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 18:13, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

I see that.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 18:15, 14 October 2014 (UTC)