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faulty talk page welcoming...

Sorry for faulty edit summary (lol), but is it really a hassle (is it really worth it?) welcome people with JSO's account? (If this discussion was debated somewhere else, please tell me thank you!)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

It's just the template. If you don't like JSO, who's sig should it be then? And "nobodys" is not an option, IMO.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Why not use User:ThisIsAnAccount or something?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:01, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, I figure, it's like a big tree.

Krett12 was created by jvvg, jvvg was created by Johnathanpb, Johnathanpb was created by JSOadmin (I used JSO instead). When you get down to it, everyone got in from JSO. Did ThisIsAnAccount create the Wiki? No, it was made by Mathfreak231, who got in from Johnathanpb, etc. So, I really think JSO would be best.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

You are also forgetting about Lucario621, who is the one who actually founded this Wiki. The reason I suggested TiaC is that it doesn't suggest a specific person.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
JSO installed MediaWiki. If that's the route you wanna take, let's not forget LukeTek :P . But sure, I'll change it to TIAC's sig.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:33, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
The image didn't work, back to JSO
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I have an idea. Instead of debating who's sig it should be, how about we make a generic account solely for this purpose? A name along the lines of WikiBot or WelcomeBot would be nice.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:15, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
However, we have stated that bots solely to welcome users are not necessary and therefore should not be created. Creating a special account just for this purpose would only serve to confuse people.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Wait, I thought of what user to use. Why not ScratchTeam? The sig works even if we don't create a Wiki account (I tested it, don't worry). Also, unrelated, but is the Wiki now displaying history timestamps in local time?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:18, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
ErnieParke, I said Tweaker should do it, but they shot that idea down. So I'd like to run it. Infact, maybe the new welcome messages should be by that bot. It would give us more control over functionality. And jvvg, Scratchteam does have a Wiki account. I'll change it, see if it works.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
in my own opinion, using jso's sig wont retain the original purpose of the sigs, identifying a post someone posted
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:46, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
We have already established that we should not have bots for writing welcome messages. The current messages are at least signed to the user who created the account (giving it a more personal touch), while receiving a message from a bot just means somebody is running code but doesn't give any emphasis on caring. Finally, there is the last point, which is creating bots uses resources and creates more potential to malfunction. There is absolutely no way you could argue that the costs and risks creating a bot that does something the software already takes care of for us (and then many users add on top of it and don't have any complaints about it being repetitive) outweigh the benefits, which are next to none.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:49, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh, while I'm at it, we should create a policy about people writing bots on their own accounts. For now, I'm going with this: "Users can create bots on their own accounts, but they must notify everybody via the CP before operation and stop if an admin asks. These bots also may not run any background scripts that periodically poll the Wiki (e.g. the way WikiMonitor does).".
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
i say make a new discussion on that, jvvg.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:04, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
I did a test in my sandbox a couple days ago, you can still make a working scratchsig for someone who doesn't have a Wiki account.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Policy on users running bots on their own accounts

No Not done
I propose "Users can create bots on their own accounts, but they must notify everybody via the CP before operation and stop if an admin asks. These bots also may not run any background scripts that periodically poll the Wiki (e.g. the way WikiMonitor does).". Users should be allowed to write simple scripts if they want to make a repeated edit (such as bulk-renaming pages), should notify everybody so we aren't alarmed and know it's a bot, and no background scripts because those are more resource-intensive and want to keep them to a minimum.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:07, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't like the idea, they should have to request like everyone else.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Bots without a dedicated account would only be allowed in the following two situations: 1. a bot pending approval that is being tested (in which case it would be approved) and 2. very minor bots that are most likely single-use (if there is a single grammar error that keeps coming up, for example, and I actually did write a bot to fix that a long time ago). The bot approval process takes a while, and the whole point here is to make a bot to make minor but repetitive changes easier than doing them by hand.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:18, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree. What if a user wants to bot edit and user edit?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
let's vote to see if people agree! Krett12 says no, KrIsMa says yes. It's 50/50 now
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:29, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Addition to Interwiki

Dmith has been asking me to help him with his Russian Scratch Wiki. He has moved it to Media Wiki. He asked me to add his wiki to Interwiki. I would like permission. I also think only an admin can add. Ask any questions here or on my talk page. I will forward questions I can't answer to him.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:40, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Only bureaucrats can edit Interwiki.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 21:56, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
That isn't relevant.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
I also think only an admin can add.

– -PRO-


Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
I just left a comment on his profile directing him to @scmb1. However, there are only 38 pages and 2 users at the moment. I advised him to get some more.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 22:36, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
I totally understand sci. He has been asking me to help him with it but I don't know russian. Maybe I could help him set up the confirm account?
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:25, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
It's harder than you think.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:41, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I understand that.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:45, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Then get ol' Krettie on board.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── You can help.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:59, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

your pseudonym sounds really nice and cute ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:04, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't know what that means but thanks.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 17:51, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
It looks pretty nice to me-- do y'all think it's ready to be added to the interwiki, or should we wait until it's bigger?
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 23:37, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I think it is ready to be added to the interwiki.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 23:51, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I know I'm jumping in a little late, but I also think it's fine to add to Interwiki. Anyway, setting up ConfirmAccounts is actually very easy. It's just that if you don't have CLI access, you have to manually import the database structure, although that's only one file.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:29, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
The big issue with it though is that the additions to the UI designed for Scratch were not designed with the translation architecture (i.e. the strings are hardcoded in English).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:30, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
The blocks are "hardcoded in English" in 1.4 but you can still make them any language you want.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:55, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
You don't understand how the software works. There is a UI feature that allows you to easily override block text in Scratch 1.4. However, MediaWiki has existing translation architecture that doesn't work the same way. It stores the UI text in separate files that are switched around for different languages.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:08, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Mass revert

I just had to revert a large amount of edits (I'm counting 23 reverts). If I accidentally reverted a legitimate edit, I am sorry, please put it back with the "Undo" button.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

This was mainly with userspace?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:15, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
They all should have been userspace. Also, when I was talking about non-dedicated bots, one I was thinking of making was one that lets me revert all of the recent edits by a user in case something like that happens again.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:54, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I was thinking of a "SysopBot" which would be dedicated to performing actions not granted to normal users.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:22, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
There are very few times when we need a bot with sysop capabilities, and in every case I can just run it on my own account.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:30, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
yeah that's true plus sysop functions with bots = bad option in my opinion! Ps: I'm using airplane wifi at 30,000 ft altitude
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:47, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
we need to add an addedum on the bots page about not all task needs bots but good idea Krett12 (lol Krett your name is in my auto correct so whenever I type Krett only I get Krett12. Lol!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
darn there already is well I'm editing it lol
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I've used airplane wifi before. I'll send you some pictures while I'm up there this year. Anyway, Wikipedia has bots with admin privs. But before you let me have a sysop bot, we should have an admin election. I agree it's kind of a little bit of a trust thing, which is why we only need 1 sysop bot. (if we need any)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:49, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Cool! Here, I'll show you some photos soon!! ;) ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:29, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

divider

here you go, as I promised! I was on the plane back home ;)
Azure.jpg

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:29, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

I kind of like the SysopBot idea, but remember, this isn't Wikipedia. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Q

I think we are forgetting something important that was in fashion a long time ago - adding comments to only the end of a discussion. Let's say we have a discussion. Which way should we reply to bob?
Hello! (Max)

Hi? (bob)
Welcome! (Sam)
@bob why question mark? (Option 1)

Or
Hello! (Max)

Hi? (bob)
hmm? (Option 2)
Welcome! (Sam)

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:50, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I am confused. Funny that you picked my name. Guess which one.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 17:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Given that your name is both on your email and user page, I guess Max.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:54, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
And I think the first one. Or either one they want.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I think both are viable options. Option 1 is nice if you're replying to multiple people or want to be clear, and option 2 allows for an easier way to see who's replying to who.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:57, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Wow. Just wow. I still don't understand what this is stating.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 18:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
But on the MS, they use 2. Although I kinda think 1 is the way to go.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:25, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
@-PRO-: You're confused, right? Let me make a more realistic example. In it, I will be replying to jvvg. Keep that in mind. The difference between the two is how I indent the comment and reply to jvvg:

Favorite Pie (Comment Option 1)

Hello people! What's your favorite pie flavor? GameCentral logo.png jvvg 4 PM

Apple pie is my favorite flavor. It is so delicious! GameCentral logo.png -PRO- 5 PM
Nah, apple is terrible. I have an allergy to apples and pie. GameCentral logo.png Krett12 6 PM
I like blueberry pie the most. It's absolutely scrumptious! (★^O^★) GameCentral logo.png ErnieParke 7 PM

Favorite Pie (Comment Option 2)

Hello people! What's your favorite pie? GameCentral logo.png jvvg 4 PM

Apple pie is my favorite flavor. It is so delicious! GameCentral logo.png -PRO- 5 PM
Nah, apple is terrible. I have an allergy to apples and pie. GameCentral logo.png Krett12 6 PM
@jvvg: I like blueberry pie the most. It's absolutely scrumptious! (★^O^★) GameCentral logo.png ErnieParke 7 PM


Make more sense?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:45, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
But I liked continuing to talk about the topic while he gets more and more confused.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I've used option 1 the most. Discussion threading can be complicated for new users, so I think we should use option 1, but not kill users for using option 2. Also, in case of outdenting happening, if two comments are indented at the same level, the correct indentation should be used (option 1) WITH an @ mention (option 2).
Oh, and how dare you not use me in your example, Ernie.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 13:48, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I still don't understand how they are different.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:40, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Good.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:57, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

April Fools Wiki

Would anyone who would like to participate in the new April Fools Wiki replacing the Un Scratch Wiki please come over here to request an account.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I requested an account.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 14:43, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I accepted it. Btw, it's worth noting that this software doesn't notify people when requests are accepted, so Krett, remember to tell people.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:09, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Dang it, I wanted to accept Swamp. Can I do the next one?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:49, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, sure.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't think I've been accepted, I haven't gotten an email yet. Can you make me an account?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
You have to fill out the form.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:56, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Undefined block

There's a glitch when you import custom blocks from your backpack into a different project. A red undefined block shows up in place of the custom block. Has anyone made a page involving that? If not, could I add it?
-unsigned comment by NeonTech (talk | contribs)

Yes, there is. Undefined Blocks
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:33, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

?edit war

It is starting at [1] and mediate it now thanks
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 15:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry I am not going on the Wiki much, I am busy with other things
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 10:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

it is ok me too especially with school starting
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
That is okay.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 15:27, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank guys! :)
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 17:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 17:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
It's fine. :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

A little reflection on the nature of the Wiki and my position as admin

I was looking at the Scratch Mentors article and saw that there is a private forum for Scratch Mentors. I then thought about the Wiki, and realized that we have no equivalent of that. The Wiki is completely open. Everything that I know, everybody else knows or at least has the resources to find out. We don't have private discussions here. I view this openness as a very good thing. It means that we can trust each other and that we all view each other as more or less equal, even though some of us have more privileges. Even though I am an admin, unless I'm mediating a dispute (which fortunately happens very infrequently), I don't see myself as any different from other users. From what I've seen, the other admins have a similar mindset. Although I'm an admin, in most discussions I view my opinion as no more valuable than any other person's. This has created a really wonderful Wiki community, and I am very appreciative of everyone that has made this possible, and I know we will still go on strong into the future. Wiki on!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:08, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Here, I have a little more. In the history of this Wiki, very few users have ever been blocked for bad behavior, and most of those cases were resolved pretty quickly. We have a community here that can follow rules without enforcement. My English teacher last year said the only thing that can make people follow rules without enforcement is an empathy and respect for others. It seems that we all have that. As I said in the message above, this forms a very strong and close community. I doubt any of us have ever met each other before or will ever meet in the future, but many of us still work together and cooperate as if we'd known each other for years. Not many people can do that. I hope you all realize how awesome you are for being able to do that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:13, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
What I talked about above could most easily be compared to collabs on the main site. With only a few exceptions, most collabs don't last longer than a few months if that. However, we've managed to keep the Wiki going for years, and many people have been here for a long time, and the new users seem very engaged and unlikely to leave any time soon. In this sense, the Wiki is the biggest and most successful collab on Scratch.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:18, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I want to place this somewhere. I just have to. For everyone to read your words of perfection.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 04:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Amen.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 12:49, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
You know, I just realized something. I know why we can all work together. Let's pretend we all came on at the same time (even though we're really years apart). The ones who could would stick around, and the ones who couldn't wouldn't. (Now I just need to say, "Shouldn't" to be like Dr. Seuss) Eventually the only ones left would be the ones who could. We've all had a few mini-disputes. But hey- we all know how to move on. If Sci didn't (Sorry I'm choosing you as my example), we would've been blocked a long time ago. But since he can, he's still around, we know that he can fit in. Part of the thing is that you have to request an account- only four people have been "bad" so far. I hope that's how it is in a million years.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Very nice essay jvvg. I've been an admin for 3.5 years already, and completely agree. With this much experience behind me, i feel as if i do have a better grip on how the wiki works than some of the newer users, but nonetheless participate in discussions, and never try to force my opinion on others. BTW, occasionally there have been offsite discussions about the wiki, but they were usually transported to the wiki proper.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Jvvg...
There are trolls out there. Would you want them seeing the info that the Mentors share?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 20:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
I was just comparing the nature and how we are a community where you don't need to hide information. My point is that we really don't have trolls at all here.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but we don't publicly perform discussions about whether or not one specific user should be banned or not.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:37, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
eloquent! Well-written!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:27, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Admins used to be able to ban

How come admins can no longer ban users?
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 22:22, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Wiki admins could never ban users.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 22:25, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Clicky!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh right, i guess so. Anyways, jvvg's link answers your question @swamp.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 22:52, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay and thanks jvvg.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 01:29, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Back on Wikia (the site that used to host this website), admins could ban people and do almost everything.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 18:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Actually, that is the case with almost all wikis, not just Wikia.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 01:46, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
hi joletole! /off topic
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Categorizing redirects....

So, there was a bot script to add redirects, and a bot script to remove them. here. And they were added by VoxBot, and removed by ThisIsAnAccount. Huh?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:46, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Originally, it was decided to categorize them. However, later, it was decided to remove them. The current policy is no categories on redirects.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:08, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I know that, I just think it's confusing.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:45, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
it is o.o lol now that I think of it but have a weary grip on the subject.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Grammar

One of the rules of formal writing is never to use contractions. Another is never to split infinitives. At least the contractions one is rampant here, and I do see split infinitives occasionally. I am proposing a major grammar cleanup. If you notice any other chronic problems, please post them here and fix as many as you can.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:03, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

In favor.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:45, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
bot or hand? Also some unwonted contractions: mightn't - might not, mustn't - must not, shan't - shall not, what'll - what will
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:50, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
For these, it would in theory be possible to do a bot edit (and I have a script ready to go), but for now I'm doing them by hand.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:52, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
did you want me to use my bot? (It fits the crit. because I already have it set up) or not? (I mean I have a find-replace function ready to use)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:54, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh, WM has one too. I'm going to fire it up shortly. I've wanted a chance to test it out large-scale before.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:57, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
edit CONF - oh ok but don't you think that goes through the usage of your bot? (sorry asking nicely not demandingly) (I mean if you want to do edits like this over and over again)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:00, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Mine was more intended as an emergency measure (i.e. if one person made the same mistake 20 times before anybody came online to fix it). My goal is to make it start quickly, so I want to test it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

ohh so this is a test? (Because in honestly I think this is a great bot for me) and once you are done testing your bot will only be used on emergency use only (not like for bringing out old pages and editing them)? (Sorry I might seem mean again but I'm not! :)) idk right now I'm really tired because the giant steak I ate is a extremely(!) soporific.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:07, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, this is just a test for an emergency feature. I am creating a bunch of emergency features, including this as well as a tool for mass reverts (i.e. undoing all of the recent edits by one user).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:11, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
oh ok if your bot misses any contractions my bot will pick it up and I'll tell you ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:13, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm only running on a few of them. You can have the rest.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:15, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Ok, all done. I fixed "can't", "won't", and "shouldn't" (note that I only got them when lowercased, it didn't get the ones that started sentences). Have at it for the rest of them.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
oh thanks! you can edit more if you want to try out mass editing, but other than that I'll get on it (in a few days) :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:22, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I know that feature works, so now I'm testing my mass revert tool. Check out the output! That's what a stereotypical awesome program should output.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:47, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

cool! all my output for, let's say find and replace, is something like this: user: voxbot find:hi replace:bye (start press enter) select pages (popup) (press enter again) running 3/10 replaced (30 percent)... (finish) done! so concise lol
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
any contradictions? If so speak now or forever hold your peace!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

New WM emergency features

I now have a feature in WM that will allow me to mass-revert all recent edits made by a user. If you see massive vandalism (i.e. spread across many pages), DO NOT REVERT IT YOURSELF. Don't even use rollback. Let me know and I will run the script. It can revert 100 edits in under a minute.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 12:38, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

That's nice, but bots don't have the rollback. Oh, I think you mean like clicking edit on an old revision, then saving it. Well, I guess bots don't "click" at all, but yeah, that's okay. If you want, I can turn that free-hosting april fools wiki I made into a place to test bots. Or maybe that would be nice in the not-yet-existing-but-i-hope-it-will-soon SysopBot. I guess here is how I think of all our bots

WikiMonitor : Its actions are based on looking at Recent Changes

VoxBot : Inspects things article-by-article

ThisIsAnAccount : Any one-time task that needs to be done

If we had a SysopBot, it might also do a little bit of each, but maybe update the curator and SDS.

So, long story short, yeah, GO WM!! And Krett12
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:43, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, here's how my script works in a nutshell: 1. It gives the operator the list of recent revisions by the chosen user (last 100). 2. It asks the operator to pick where to stop reverting (i.e. if only the 50 most recent edits were vandalism). 3. For each page affected, it picks the revision before the earliest one in the list of edits to revert. This means that if somebody edits it afterwards, that edit will also be reverted. However, this script only runs on WM because I copy-pasted the code from the WM login script and it's a handy account. I am thinking about providing the code to the other sysops as well for them to use, as this doesn't require special bot privileges and it's something all admins might need to be able to do.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:15, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

VERY IMPORTANT: Mass revert testing coming up

Sometime in the next few days, I will be testing the mass revert feature on WM. This will involve me vandalizing a couple random articles (I'll just add something like "this is vandalism!" to the top). If you notice I have "vandalized" an article, please do not revert the edit, WM will revert it soon. If all goes well, I will only have to "vandalize" 20 or so articles, but if it doesn't, it will take much more than that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:19, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

All done!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Check out the output!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:47, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I still think you should've used the special bot wiki.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
This requires a certain directory structure in the Wiki unless I want to rewrite every API query after testing.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Cool! Just make sure it doesn't revert 1000 edits :P
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:14, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
hehe ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:46, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Necroposting

Necroposting exists on the wiki? Oh I thought it was only effective on the wiki because posting would bump out the post ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:31, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Yup, it does.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:54, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
wait what is the reason necroposting exists on the wiki?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:46, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I'll necropost every day. You'll notice it very very fast.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
no need to necropost to tell me the importance of necroposting ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:28, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Over at File:RequestAccount.PNG

vote which category it should be? Seems like user images and scratch wiki images are the two most popular options
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:48, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

It should be Scratch Wiki.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Maybe make a new category for interface images?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:36, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay. Perfect timing because I intend on making a third button soon, to go to those words you wrote.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:50, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
what is the difference between interface images and wiki images?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:28, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Interface images would be specifically designed for buttons and stuff.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:42, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
oh hmm could just use wiki images?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:01, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

(Possible) Another new language coming to a wiki near you!

I wanted to point out that the Deutsch Wiki is in the process of setting up an Indonesian Wiki after 5 Indonesian members became interested in creating one. Here's a topic where they talk/translate our wiki: topic
Here's the current discussion in the Dutch Wiki: Indonesian Wiki
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:30, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 23:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Nice! The Wiki is really catching on in different languages. :)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:12, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Ernie could you add me to the French part? (I requested a while ago but it was left alone)?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:17, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
I would add a Wiki in another language except that English is my first language. :P I do speak Spanish fairly fluently, but it's not my native language.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:19, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
I speak Chinese but it's not my native language too lol I know what you mean ;) I don't know why I am so excited but I am on the plane tomorrow !! It's going to be fun!!(school starts way later for me idk why in Seattle but it's a rural place)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:23, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
"Dutch" and "Deutsch" sounds pretty similar, but it's not the same thing. "Dutch" is "Dutch" and "Deutsch" means "German" :) Just wanted to point that out. Anyways, I'm excited for the Indonesian Wiki! - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 07:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @LiFaytheGoblin: Ops... my mistake. As you can see, I never learned German. Thanks for the tip!
@KrIsMa: I thought you already were listed under French? Let me check... *a few moments later* Ops! I just added you to the list. That leaves French needing 1-2 more people before they can start their wiki.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Update: The Indonesian Wiki is online here: http://scratch-indo.info :D - LiFaytheGoblin Avatar.png LiFaytheGoblin (Talk) 10:19, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
They've made their first two articles! Wo! :)
Anyway, when will we add them to our interwiki?
Now that I think of it, when will we add the Indo Wiki to the Front Page under "The Scratch Wiki"? We also need to update this page.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:03, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Category

Please move all images from Category:Wiki Images to Category:Scratch Wiki Images and delete category thanks ! Also I posted this a while ago it's at archive 71 first element thanks :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I actually have a bot task for this. :) I will start now.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:20, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 ;) but can it recategorize protected images? ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
That might explain why it's not working.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
just curious, but does your bot just stop (seemingly forever) or crash when this happens?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:29, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
In this case, nothing. It doesn't have error handling built in, it just submits the edit and hopes for the best. From the output point of view, it looked as if it it recategorized properly.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Ah, because I thought about asking an admin to protect my talk page. Not the categories, but the actual page itself. So if it wouldn't crash your bot, that's a +. But I still wouldn't get the notes (I make Wiki errors a lot) and I wouldn't be able to add new categories.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:55, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
And for protected images, just run it on your main account. Sysops get the same entitlements to the API as bots do. The script won't even know it's supposed to be protected!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
This would've been another job for SysopBot...
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Just saying, we never protect user talk pages. Also, I would have run it on my main account, but it was only three images.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:15, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

IHeartGaming used to...
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

one time bot edits

a couple of discussions above, there was a mention that bots that only ran one short task did not need a bot account. Does anyone agree? ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:38, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

One time tasks should be performed by ThisIsAnAccount.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
oh ok! Updating page!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:33, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Question

Is there a feature in the wiki where you can put in the user who is viewing the page? Say I'm Mathfreak231 (which I'm not.) I would see: "Welcome, Mathfreak231" or something. On my own account, it would say "Welcome, SuperSmashScratch."
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 23:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but there isn't :(
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:00, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, shoot. I was going to make it so it would show the number of revisions that you have on a page in my userspace.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 00:01, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Not even editing. But you can tell who last edited a page. Just now, it was Jvvg
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Delete the page "When will the downloadable version of Scratch 2.0 be released?"

It is already released.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 23:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I support deletion :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:17, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
in these cases, please post in the page's talk page and add the template {{NotUseful}} :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:18, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Done.
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 23:56, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Good. I support deletion.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 00:13, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Deleted. Parts of this wiki need a serious dose of clean-up!
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 01:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

WM format checking

I am considering making WM check for edits that break format using WM. It will just check for simple stuff like forgetting to close your tags. Thoughts?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:54, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

That sounds awesome.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:06, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I got a lot (and I really mean a lot) of practice writing the Webcomic Assistant (I had to code regex to parse over 40 comics, and each one had at least three things to parse, some had as many as five, so that was about 150 regexes I had to write). Writing regex to recognize basic formatting mistakes should be pretty simple compared to that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:08, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm Back!

I have been off pursuing personal interests, eating too many chicken wings, watching many series' of TV shows, and answering questions on tomshardware. But now I am back!
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:47, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

dude ur on the top ranked people (i stumbled upon you) wow
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:36, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey, welcome back.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:24, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I've learned a ton about computer hardware, and set up a web server, but now I am back to coding. I also became a lot better at HTML and CSS, and now use Ubuntu.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 11:15, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Cool! I love eating chicken wings. I think you might have watched the Every Simpons Ever marathon?
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:27, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
No, I watched That 70's Show and Avatar: The Last Airbender
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 14:45, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
That 70's Show looks really cool! I am going to watch it!
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:41, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Just be noted that it may have some inappropriate content, nothing too bad though, just some drug use.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:14, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I saw it was rated TV-14. Which is fine for me. Right now I am kind of hooked on Spaceballs.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm mainly watching Doctor Who and Family Guy right now
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:04, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Footer Update

I would like who people who use the default skin that there is an update to the footer. I noticed on the main site that they added the Scratch Family section so I made a pull request and it was merged today and I made sure it was updated. Just an update!
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:22, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

This really doesn't make me feel good, when you want to make an update it happens, and when I want to, it's been ignored for over a month now, I feel that nobody gives a dang about how I feel.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:26, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Does that include me?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:49, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Does what include you?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:47, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Nevermind. I am lost after a couple months away.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 03:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Scmb1 posted yesterday on your pull request ans said it wasn't needed.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:16, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Krett12, he doesn't want to make an update, it's an update that the Wiki needed. :/
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 19:36, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Exactly. I use the Vector skin so I really don't care. I just wanted to help the Wiki.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 00:01, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Cool! Vector twins! But here's how everyone else sees it. And I think you can get (offsite) skins for the Main Site.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:48, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Nope, I use vector as too, so I do not see any difference.
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 12:35, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
@Krett12: I know what it looks like because I used it for a while before switching.
@JayceeMinecraft: No difference of what?
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:05, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
@-PRO- No difference of the footer because I use vector too.
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 13:14, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
@JayceeMinecraft: Ah... I understand now. I just wanted to help the wiki.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:30, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I use vector because
1)SWS is broken on 1 machine I use
2)I want this Wiki to look like other Wikis I contribute to.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:35, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── So what are you complaining about?
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 16:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Nobody cared when I wanted to make an update.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:14, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
What update did you want to do?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:52, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Krett wanted to bold the name "Scratch Wiki" in the footer.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 20:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

bot

im running my bot and making it check all pages, with an edit delay of 5 seconds - it will auto shutoff. if it malfunctions, please block it. thanks.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:11, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

For your convenience, here is a link to the recent changes with no bot hiding, and this will turn red when the bot is done:
not active
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:18, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Why not use this one that features ONLY bots
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:10, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
What exactly is your bot checking for?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:34, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Update News with new SDS

^
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 14:20, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

If we had a SysopBot, that would've already been done.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:20, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
if you want to make sysopbot, want to request it first?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:30, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Meh, okay.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:31, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes Updated
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

A note to admins and EWs

Reject ALL account requests unless a user specifically says he/she read S:CONTRIB. I added that little thing in to see if people are actually reading it. Naturally after a while everyone will hear of it, but it will save effort for now.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:03, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I wish it would be easy to automate that...too bad that would be hard.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Automation seems to be the new trend since VoxBot and WM were created. However, I think it's time I publish some emails:

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Me Because the old Scratch authentication API has been removed, sites such as the Wiki and Scratch Resources are unable to authenticate against this website. This means that nobody at all can upload stuff to Scratch Resources and nobody can create an account on the Wiki.

Is there any way I could help out in fixing those? (They’re both PHP, right?) I have developed a user verification technique, and it has been tested extensively on Mod Share, and I am fluent in PHP.

Lightnin Thanks for offering to help!

We've had some different discussions on how to authenticate on the wiki - IIRC, you had proposed using a key placed in a comment? Can you describe that method again?

Me Yes, that was my basic idea. If you are interested in seeing the code in action, I have it in PHP at https://www.assembla.com/code/mod-share-iv/git/nodes/master/pages/register.php

The process works like this: 1. User enters username on form 2. User is given randomly generated code and link to verification project 3. User comments code on project 4. User hits continue button, which then checks if comment was entered. If yes, continue. Otherwise inform user that the code was not found. 5. Registration continues as normal

Lightnin I talked this plan over with some others, and we think it sounds like something we should try out! Thanks again for suggesting it.

I've asked Sarah (scmb1) to contact you to discuss how to proceed. Probably it would be best to make this into a wikimedia extension, and put the code on github under a license we can use (MIT, or apache, and I think GPL would all be ok.) Blob8108 has recently made the scratchblocks and scratchsig extensions, so they probably know a lot about it - they might be a good person to invite as a collaborator. They've also been using github for a while.

Me Since there already was an existing system to do that (http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/accounts/request.php ), wouldn't it be simpler just to take the old page and just adapt the code for the new system?

Anyway, thanks for letting me help out!

Lightnin We could do it that way - but generally hacking the wiki directly isn't a good strategy in the long run. Extensions provide an interface that makes it easier to test / upgrade / and generally understand what's going on in the code. Also, if anyone else with a wikimedia wiki wants to do the same thing, it's much easier for them to fork an extension from github.

If we look into it and it turns out to be very difficult to do this with an extension, we can re-evaluate. But I think the first pass is to see if it can be done that way. Blob8108 just made and shared a few and said he'd be interested in helping out.

...a bunch of stuff about the code for a few more messages...

Lightnin ...more stuff about the code...

As for the review process - seems easy to keep with that, since it ain't broke. But I could see someday switching to an automatic approval as long as the account is a Scratcher, and maybe over 1 month old (with perhaps some other limits to prevent trolling - maybe minimum of 10 projects or something.)

Back to my message So it turns out Lightnin also thought about automating the process. However, we decided that manual review is the best option. This way, we can check that users will actually contribute, and the occasional "special accounts" don't accidentally get auto-rejected.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:53, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll keep an eye out for this in the future! (Thanks for posting the email exchange too! It was very informative.)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought about Special accounts too, you can accept a request once it has been rejected. Also, maybe there could be a "secret phrase" in the request notes that will cause SysopBot to ignore that request.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:31, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey guys....

I know a guy, and I'm wondering if they should be promoted to an admin.

They've got over 1.5K edits, they've created and maintained several Wikis. An admin once chose them to run the Wiki's most valued bot, and they check the wiki over 50 times day (not joking!) Should they be promoted to an admin?

that guy is me
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:38, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I would say no. One of the main reasons is that we don't need another admin at the moment. jvvg and the other admins we have do a fabulous job at running the Wiki, and I wouldn't want that to change. (On a side note, three cheers for them and the bureaucrats!)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:52, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
admins are doing well this moment, as past discussions says, most likely a EW will be promoted to admin not just a regular user :(
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:59, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but we're getting new contributors fast, and I say, more contributors, more admins! Right? Besides, with these admins, we're doing a fabulous job, with me one the team, we'll be doing a fabulouser job! Also, let's admit it, many accounts are created by jvvg and Mathfreak231. That is if I don't become an admin. If I do become an admin, they will be approved by THREE users, jvvg, Mathfreak231, and Krett12. That simple, really? Also, KrIsMa, 1) You edit-conflicting devil :P 2) What about when EWs didn't exist?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:05, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
And you forget that I can also create accounts. :/
Anyway, what task could another admin do that the current admins can't do? This isn't a race to do "a fabulouser job", but to do a few small (but very important) tasks for the Scratch Wiki. The biggest thing a Wiki admin would do is update the news, and that can't become more "fabulouser" If anything, I think KrIsMa should become admin because of their dedication to the Scratch Wiki.
Also, it's not more contributors = more admins. Like I said earlier, the Wiki wouldn't benefit from another admin. Besides, minimizing the number of admins we have reduces the risk of problems occurring. As scmb1 said:

Quote Icon.png Quote:

Author: scmb1
Text:  We try to keep the number of admins to a minimum because, the more admins we have, the riskier it is. In other words, we don't just add admins because being an admin is fun-- we add them when it is really necessary to have more people with the additional permissions.  
Source: http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Scratch_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive_66#What.27s_the_point_of_having_EWs.3F

ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
While i don't doubt your technical abilities, Krett12, i seem to remember you having a couple issues with respecting other users. Would you like me to point them out, or can you think of things on your own?
And besides, being admin is a big responsibility, and not just something "cool". Hardmath123 wanted to be an admin once (somewhere in the CP archives), but his request was rejected, as it seemed like he wanted it half for the "cool" factor. And this despite being a very helpful and capable editor.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
If I was being disrespectful to editors, please point it out! I don't make deliberate attempts to be rude. I'm truly sorry if I hurt someone's feelings-can you please give me a link?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 08:05, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
From just yesterday. A couple weeks ago. And was it you who went ahead with all of the {{nored}} additions despite people saying no?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:16, 8 September 2014 (UTC)::I didn't say it would be fun--I said it would be better. I used to have some bot planned out or something--but I kinda trashed that. And I do actually think that, let's see, I enter this code into the wiki:

{{NUMBEROFUSERS}} /// {{NUMBEROFSYSOPS}}

1,785 /// 27

I put that into Wikipedia, and got this:

22,416,209 /// 1,393

I put that into the April Fools Wiki, and saw this:

11 /// 3

I think we can all understand that one--am I wrong? And about the first two--yeah, I probably shouldn't have done that.

With the Nored thing, nobody ever made on official an decision.

So I really agree with you on two points, but not that third one.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 08:21, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

There was an official decision on the Nored topic, maybe a bit unobvious, but you should still ask a question or two before doing something that might go against an official decision. It's not good to assume the possibility that you like the most. I remember you doing that earlier as well. Maybe you can think of it, or shall I link to it?
And again, it's not always "more users = more admins". If we follow Wikipedia's example like you brought up above, we should lose 15 sysops, not gain another!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 10:59, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Once again about using Wikipedia: WE ARE NOT WIKIPEDIA!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:05, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
You aren't even a EW yet.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:30, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Do I need to be one? It's worth pointing out that this wiki invented EWs, and even we didn't always have them. But if you want, I'll turn this into a request for EW. And yes, I may have a few problems, but I'm a pretty good guy overall.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
The stats that you brought considering Wikipedia vs us (i'm not counting your April Fools' Wiki) proves even more that we don't need another admin. They have around 1 admin to 15,000 users. We have a 1:60 ratio. Adding an admin would make it 1:55.
It's worth pointing out that we have only had around 50 users who made at least one edit in the past 30 days. Then we get the 1:3 admin:user ratio (though most admins are inactive).
Even if you are "a pretty good guy overall", why do you need to be an admin, or even EW? You have not provided a convincing case.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Is it convincing enough that we need more users patrolling the request queue? (I'm applying for EW, I trashed admin)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:24, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Edit conflicted.
@Krett12: I'd still not support you becoming EW because we don't need one at the moment (and probably won't need one till after an admin election or someone leaves the Wiki). Also, from your previous actions in the Wiki, I wouldn't trust you as an EW. (Although that can always change in the future!)
On a side note, maybe you'd want to update your first post about becoming EW instead of becoming an admin.
@Krett12 new post: No, we definitely do not need more users patrolling the request queue. jvvg, mathfreak231, I, ect... already handle the queue easily.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 13:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

EW request, admin trashed

@ErnieParke, why would you not trust me? If I've done some bad actions, they've already been pointed out, and I'm trying to not do them in the future.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

You'll need to show some consistency. The most recent case i pointed out was from yesterday. I know you've deleted it, but who's to say you won't slip up again next week, or a month from now?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:38, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Alright, let's examine the four things they can do: rollback, patrol, delete, confirmaccount.

rollback due to a glitch I can already do that

patrol we don't do that anymore

delete that is limited to a very small history

confirmaccount You say you have it covered, so I may or may not actually use that. And Sci, thank you for edit conflicting me, but the worst thing an EW can do is rollback, which I can already do
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:42, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Edit conflicted again.
@krett12: For the same reasons as @Scimonster pointed out above ^^.
@krett12 new: Deletion is definitely not something I would trust you with due to your behaviors. And again, what do we need another EW for? You haven't given a good reason yet.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 13:47, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I didn't realize this was bad before-I wouldn't attempt it. I agree I should not yet be trusted with regular deletion, but we're talking about VERY limited things here
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:14, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
What is "regular deletion"? How is EW deletion very limited?
As Ernie said, you have not given a good reason for why we need another EW.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
How many active EWs do we have? One. Also, the right "delete" only allows for small histories. You need the right "bigdelete" in order to delete however you please. Also, now that jvvg is an admin, we need another EW is his place.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Why do we need more than 1 active EW and 3 active admins+EWs? That's almost 15% of the active Wikians!
So what if it only allows small histories (i'm not sure exactly how many is needed to qualify as big)? It's still deletion.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:59, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Not a single active admin/EW didn't go on vacation this summer. We really have to be secure. Also, what harm could I really do? I might lose my temper sometimes, but I'm not a vandal. (Also, according to the special page, I could delete some redirects, but that's about it.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── You'll notice that most of us didn't go on vacation at the same time. If we do decide to have a new EW (which we might, but don't hold your breath), we will hold an election and you can make your speech there. In the meantime, please don't.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:31, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

I recall that when I was an EW, I never had a single occasion where I couldn't delete a page, and I deleted some pages with reasonable-sized edit histories. I'm pretty sure that the limit is pretty big for what can be deleted. That is my first point. The second point is behavior, which has already been addressed by users above me. The third, and probably biggest one, is the lack of need. The first two points were about why you would not make a good EW, or at least not at the moment, while the third one explains why we aren't looking for EWs at all. When we need an EW, we will have an election, but for now we don't see the need.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:56, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, but jvvg, you said "I have to be an EW because I made it", you did not even ask.
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 19:01, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I didn't ask to be an admin either.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:04, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I know, but jvvg said that he has to be an EW because he kind of made it, you got elected/appointed.
JayceeMinecraftlogo.png JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 19:07, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
The admin's decision was no, you shouldn't keep bugging after that. A user doesn't just become a EW because that user wants themselves to.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 21:10, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
JayceeMinecraft, your message has a big [citation needed] in it. I actually asked politely. The wording I used was something like "Could I have the permission to view the account queue, at least for a bit so I can make sure implementation was successful?" I can get the emails if you don't believe me.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I am not going to ask. I am going to let the community decide. Don't be greedy. I wouldn't trust you either.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:42, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

sorry to butt in but let's try to settle this discussion in a more professional way (to some people, don't want to ruin the reputation of the wiki ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:44, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
@KrIsMa I noticed an error in your comment there- there's only one ). There is supposed to be ";) )" or ";))". Get what I'm saying?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 22:47, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
ohh! i do that so my smiling face looks like its smiling not like it has lipstick :)) but thanks for telling me ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:48, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
LOL.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 22:51, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I respect the consensus, however I do think that we should have another election soon.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:24, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
About you saying we don't use patrol anymore - look at the patrol log, jvvg does it very actively - the other people with that power basically do it. I honestly think there should be another EW/admin who actively patrolls ;) Also - why do you want/need to be an EW? :/
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── IMHO, if we need somebody else with power - I think we need one more bureaucrat. None of them are active, and we can't rely on scmb1 to do all of the bureaucrat tasks because she's already busy with college.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, for that, we should probably just get one of the ST members to take a more active role around here. We are pretty autonomous, after all. We operate mostly by ourselves without the Scratch Team, except for technical maintenance. However, for patrolling, I am the only one that actually clicks "Mark as patrolled". Since the other EWs and admins look at almost every edit but don't mark them as patrolled, I use it as a way to track what I've seen.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:48, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Ok :P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:53, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Bureaucrat?

Or just upgrade one of our active admins to bureaucrat. ;)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 11:11, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Who would that be? I would vote Sci because he has been on for super long and has lots of knowledge.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:30, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Sci would be good except that until very recently he hasn't been that active. I think Mathfreak would also be a good choice.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I've checked in often enough, even if I didn't post every time.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Scimonster has been an editor for over 3 and a half years, and he was trusted enough that he got promoted to admin without any notice. There was no election, Lucario621 just promoted him out of trust (look in the user rights log). And, he did an awesome job with the extra power. He's also the active admin that's been here the longest, so he's really experienced, too. He also programmed the 2.0 Wiki home page in one of his sandboxes. On top of that, he was a 1.4 community moderator. So, with all of that, I honestly think Scimonster should become a bureaucrat.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, derpmeup. BTW, all of the bureaucrats are either (retired) mods or ST. FWIW, the ST didn't retire the mod program for a couple years after 2.0 launched, so "1.4 mod" isn't totally accurate.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:18, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── hmm for bureaucrat we need to ask scmb1 ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

and btw, imho, i dont think a bureaucrat is needed. when did one need a bureaucrat recently? changing usergroup doesn't happen often, and scmb1 is doing that job perfectly.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:05, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, you make a good point. We only really need bureaucrats for technical changes, usergroup changes, and blocking users. Thankfully, none of those (especially the last one) happen much.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
While it's true that we rarely need a bureaucrat here, it's usually better to have someone ready who can do so, than relying on getting someone.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 15:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
True. Maybe we could incorporate this with the next EW election, whenever that may be (not saying we need one now). It's not urgent, so it can wait a few months if need be.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:19, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
yeah lets do it when we elect not here ;) then we can write speeches!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:45, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah! So anyone that is eligible can like run for EW or Admin or whatever.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 23:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Project Tags ;; Thoughts Appreciated

No Not done
If you may have noticed by now, I've started updating Project Tags. One thing I noticed is that we don't have problems with Waffles tags or [+] tag spam anymore, but do we have any trends in their place? For example (although obviously not true), is there a trend to use all caps in a tag?
So, has anyone seen any widespread trends involving project tags after Scratch 2.0 was released?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:07, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

ive seen people try to spell out a phrase with them, like hello, im, steve
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I think the waffle spam is important.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 00:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
@-PRO-: I think it's important too, but I haven't seen it since Scratch 2.0 was released, so I'm thinking it should only be mentioned in Project Tags (1.4).
@KrIsMa: I haven't seen that yet either. Could you link to an example or two? Have other people seen people spelling out a phrase?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:13, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I haven't really seen much on the 2.0 website since only the creator can add tags and they're limited to 3. However, on the old site I did see a lot of spam tags, such as "jvvg was here" (I never did that, but I don't want to point fingers), and "waffles" was everywhere.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree that I saw lots of those spammy tags. Now that I think of it, wasn't there a report option for spammy/irrelevant tags, or am I imagining that?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, there was.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Help with an algorithm

WikiMonitor is still pretty much operating on the original algorithm for what counts as a new post on a talk page. Here is the definition:

  • On a talk page (obviously)
  • A non-minor edit
  • Adds more than 25 characters
  • The page already has the text <scratchsig> somewhere on it (meaning it's not something like the help box here)
  • The text added starts with a colon or the edit summary has the text "new section" in it
  • The text (UTC) is not present

Can somebody please help me come up with a better algorithm to check? Remember that it needs to be something I can get with only access to the edit metadata (summary, difference between old and new pages, how much is edited, and existing page contents).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:20, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

How about checking for outdents?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
That might help a little bit. What I'm really concerned about though is if the user is new and doesn't know about indentation yet (also the most likely users not to sign posts). I haven't found a way to work with that yet.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:25, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm getting lots of edit conflicts today.
@jvvg: I think I have a few ideas, but before I give them, what help box are you talking about?
@Krett12: You can't always do that; not every comment has outdents. jvvg's doesn't, and neither would a comment that has {outdent} before it.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:27, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I was referring to stuff like the CP help box that's transcluded from the talk namespace but not an actual discussion page. I did add outdent detection, though. Any edit where the text {{outdent| is present is counted as a new message.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
ohh so wikimonitor doesn't see my post because its always minor?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:31, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
I just realized something that I should've asked earlier; what's wrong with the current method? Although I think you could remove that last rule without consequences.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
maybe just for improving the bot? i mean, i always improve my bot a bit because some functions are turning old and innacurate!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
The last rule is how it detects if the post is signed. :P The problem with the current method is what I stated above: it still misses a bunch of messages, especially ones by new users that don't know about the indentation rules.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Why does it check if (UTC) isn't there...?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:58, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Let me quote jvvg: "The last rule is how it detects if the post is signed. :P"
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:06, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh. :P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
What about if a new line is added at the end, that's a new post?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 11:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, that seems like a good idea.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

{{April Fools}}

sorry if I am bringing this discussion up again, but on April fools, do we want to use the template {{Fools}} and mathfreak231's April fools pages, or link to krett12's April fools wiki? just to keep in mind, the April Fools template should be deleted if the consensus votes use local april fools pages.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

also {{AFsneakpeak}}
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:00, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
We are probably going to use mine because I asked mathfreak if we should just make a new Wiki. Now I'm just waiting for mathfreak to delete the old one...
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
oh ok ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:57, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Look at us, planning April Fools in September XD
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:16, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
October fools. :P
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 06:33, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

{{delete}}

[2] is the edit that adds the div into the delete template, basically what it does is anything under the template is cleared. do you guys want the div?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:07, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know. He didn't ask to put it there.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 22:39, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
admins, please decide (quickly)! there seems to be some disagreement! [3]
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:42, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I have temporarily protected the page (for one day) while this is discussed. I personally don't think clearing the page is needed. It can sometimes be useful for an admin to look at the page and decide whether or not it should actually be deleted. Also, that has the potential to break formatting.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes Done
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:11, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

remove the red links from the main page?

thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes Done
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:03, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
I still see the April Fools links at the top.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
What is this red link deal? I see no links. Infact, I couldn't even tell it'd been edited.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:15, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh I see. I've fixed it, you can re-enable the template.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:17, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Using "Code" in Scratch Terminology

I notice that many articles use the term "code" even though this is Scratch and we don't really write code. For example, look at Who Created Scratch? which says it teaches kids to code. I would think that it teaches kids to logically program rather than code, because I think "code" should be taken more literally. Eh, just a random thought to blurt out.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

That seems to be a good point.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps "program" is better, but it's just semantics.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:46, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

New rule on reverting?

I think we should have a new rule regarding reverting edits: If you make an edit and it is reverted by another user for any reason, then it must be discussed before putting it back. I am thinking of this as a result of what happened on {{delete}}, where Krett12 added the blank page thing and it was reverted several times by others while Krett kept putting it back. We could also do instead of only one revert, if an edit is reverted twice (especially by two different people), then discuss.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

That seems alright.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
¤yes! i agree! (if this goes trough we need to edit somewiki pages on this rule)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree, this rule would be nice. I think if we implement this, we should use the two revert rule so that everyone nows for sure that there is opposition to both view points.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I added it to S:GUIDES.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

New Featured Article?

How about Development of Scratch 1.0
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:38, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Sci featured it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:49, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

New featured images

Suggestions?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:49, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I think this would be a fun image to feature: File:Graphical Effects.png
And this would also be nice: File:Lego WeDo Being Used With Scratch.png
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:57, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I featured the graphic effects one. Perhaps the WeDo could be done at a later date.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:17, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Well then how about: File:PianoDiagram.png
And: File:Droste.jpg
I know the second isn't Scratch related, but it's still fun to look at!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:02, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Hahaha, Droste all the way. And hey Ernie, long time no speak!
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:49, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Article: Scratch's Effect on the World

I think we should all team up and work on a major article on how Scratch has affected this world more specifically the world of programming since it's release. We could scavenger hunt the Internet for Scratch mods and someone could design in Photoshop an image of Scratch and all the languages that branch off it, including mods, Snap, and Stencyl even. Then we could add sort of biographies or interviews with people who Scratch has affected greatly in life, and have them in the article. We can find statistics and such things that support how Scratch has helped the world! Like this innovative idea that I came up with after my recent vanishing?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:53, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

interview me! scratch started my program love!!!! ;) sure i love the idea!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Wooot! I loved the idea! I saw that Scratch's concept is really inspiring. :These, Stencyl, Tynker, Code.Org, etc used the concept and credited "MIT :Scratch". There's also MIT app inventor, although is also created by MIT, might :have been related to Scratch. I vote yes!
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 11:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Scratch actually changed my life. It got me started in programming back when I was in fourth grade, and it taught me the fundamental structures I needed to move on to more complicated languages as time went on.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, yes. Just make sure it's all well referenced.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
@jvvg same :) we have some great people to interview here!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 15:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I totally agree with Jvvg. Except I was in 6th grade. This gives me an idea to write a article/speech on how Scratch changed my life! We should all do that!
Everyone write an essay about how Scratch changed their life! Then we can send it to the ST!
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
@-PRO-: I've already done that for an English class. ;) (Minus the sending to ST half.)
@Turkey3: That sounds like a really nice idea! It'd have to be well referenced like Sci said above, but it would be lots of fun to have too.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Awesome! I am glad to see a lot of support! I'll start researching some stuff.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:31, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
do you guys want me to start a page on the wiki where everyone could write a quick essay of their scratch experience, then at the end, we can quote (or just put the whole speech) some parts of the essay into the actual page?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── also, we should start a page outline, such as testimonials first, then body of text about how it changed the world, then actual speeches.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:20, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Edit conflicted.
@KrIsMa: I think it would be fun to do, but also a bit biased since the quotes would only be from Wikians.
Anyway, would you mind if I posted a 5 page story about one of my Scratch experiences?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:24, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
yes!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

speech applications

ok now anyone can add their speeches! after this, we can quote/add speeches into the paragraph! [4] here is how to access the responses, [5] i have also sent a message to the st about if i can sticky the link on the forums. thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:55, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

First post! :P
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:57, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
2nd lol but ErnieParke said he would make a 5 paged speech so idk if we were the first to start! ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:09, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I posted it! Wow, does it take up a lot of space in a google doc.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
nice! i cant shrink the space lol are you anonymous narwhal? \and your speech is so eloquent! it truly touched me!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Me and ErnieParke came up with a plan on Google Docs:

Ernest Parke 6:18 PM Hi Krett! me 6:19 PM Do you own this document? You look like ErnieParke Ernest Parke 6:19 PM No I don't, KrIsMa is. (And I am ErnieParke! ;) )

  • KrIsMa owns the document

me 6:19 PM Who is scratchblockprogramming? Ernest Parke 6:20 PM Wait, Google turns smileys 90 degrees? (I think that's KrIsMa.) me 6:20 PM Hum, okay. Let me get KrIsMa, and maybe we should ask the ST to feature this, hold on a second Ernest Parke 6:20 PM Who do you think the anonymous narwhale and ibex are? me 6:21 PM I see a sheep, no "ibex" over here, maybe the ibex is me :D Ernest Parke 6:21 PM It would be nice if you were the ibex! :D (Good idea about the feature! Although I think an announcement would be better.( me 6:22 PM Nope, it's not on the forums. Maybe, we should use the Contact Us feature on the main site, and then we would, um, post a forum topic about it, ask the Scratch Team to move it to announcements. Ernest Parke 6:22 PM I'm actually a Scratch Mentor, so if this idea gets enough support, I could propose the idea directly to the Scratch Team themselves in the Scratch Mentor forums. me 6:23 PM They are kind of known for going nuts over the smallest things Yeah I know you're a mentor I just didn't think of that But what does the ST check more, their email or the forums? I can't see either. Ernest Parke 6:23 PM But then those small things are important. It's always good to consider everything! As for which they check more... me 6:24 PM I assume you'll leave another message now Sorry to bother you but I am impatient I need to work on that Ernest Parke 6:25 PM I think it'd be best to do a forum post because with an email, only one ST member is likely to see the request, but with the Scratch Mentor forum, a few (including other Scratch Mentors) are bound to see the request. It's okay @Krett12! me 6:25 PM That doesn't work on Google Chat Ernest Parke 6:25 PM I know. I just like to add in the @. me 6:26 PM So maybe we should start a speech on Scratch Wiki namespace So we can all work on it, not just you Then when we are done, you can post it in the special forum.... And maybe I can post the topic maybe? Or, maybe better yet..... Actually, NVM that was a bad idea Alright, I will C&P this chat onto the Wiki


Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:30, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

oh thanks! can i get the link to the google doc? sorry it might be easier to see there ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
@KrIsMa: Nope, I'm not the narwhal, and Krett12 was the ibex. I've already guessed you were Scratchblocksprogramming, which means jvvg was probably the narwhale.
As for the narrative, I find it rusty at places, but I'm still glad that you really liked it! Personally, the mix of fiction and nonfiction is my favorite part of it. :)
@Krett12/Everyone Else: I just want to throw it out there that *if* I post this in the Scratch Mentor forum, I'd like to hear more opinions first.
@KrIsMa new post: The discussion was in your google document.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:35, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Wiki_Interviews, the Scratch account is MINE! We can use it for our project
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:12, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I was kind of thinking, instead of the google doc, we would do what I explained here
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
And then Wiki_Interviews would post that on the forums and the ST would sticky it and stuff.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
So who wants to do interviewing? Please do it with the Wiki_Interviews account, and not reveal who you are until this is all done. Let me know who I should give the password to.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── wait are we going to do both speech and interview, interview only or speech only? both are just going to be used in the "testimonials" section of the "How scratch changed the world" article. I feel like docs is fine because in interviews, the first question we are going to ask is going to be 'how did scratch change your life', which is covered in the speech already. ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:06, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Edit Statistics

I created a box and whisker plot of Wikian's edit levels (for Wikians with over 200 edits), and I thought I might as well share it: http://tinypic.com/m/id50m9/1 On a side note, can someone please reply to me in "Project Tags ;; Thoughts Appreciated"? I still need some thoughts there.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I am confused as what it's for?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
I created the graph for fun, so I thought that I might as well post it. (Although I also posted to give the reminder, because I've had a few previous discussion that stalled, and those never got completed...)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:08, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
i like that top dot at the top (maybe scimonster? lol)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:17, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
it is lol
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:23, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't get how the graph works. How did I get all the way up there? :p
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:59, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
basically it plots all the people over 200 edits in the graph, y axis being edits, and x being the density of people. so if there is 500 people between 200-250 edits, the horizontal bar will be bigger. otherwise, the bar is small, or sometimes shows as a "dot".
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Upcoming changes to WM

Sometime in the future (hopefully starting this weekend), I will be testing some new features in WM. This includes the following (in order):

  • Better algorithm to detect new posts on talk pages (new line/end of section)
  • Different messages when people
  • Checking formatting (specifically breaking formatting)

This means that once again, I am warning everybody that whenever I test software, it has a tendency not to work properly. I will test what I can on a local Wiki, but I will also have to do some testing here.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Archive!

Please archive the CP!
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 12:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)