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proposing a name change from Category:Wiki Images to Category:Scratch Wiki Images (and I can rename all the redirects) because of consistency (Category:Scratch Program Images) should be Program Images if Wiki Images was allowed.
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:32, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

+1 To KrIsMa, Wiki Images might mean images from wikipedia:
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 18:34, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't care either way.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok I'll just wait.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:05, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok since no one is opposing ill do it now :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:39, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Admin : please edit the remaining images in Category:Wiki Images and delete category! thanks a lot!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:51, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Dating templates?

Don't get mad at me because I am suggesting that we do something the same as Wikipedia. Anyways, Wikipedia puts date arguments in their templates to show how recently this was found or if it was from long ago. It's pretty much a page tracking tool. I can't really find any other reason because I'm not 100% sure why they actually do it... But could we make it a thing?
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 00:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

But why? What use would it serve us?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 09:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

it shows how long a page has it's template on the page for. I don't think it will benefit many because if for example an inaccurate template was placed on a page it should be fixed ASAP and adding a date won't really make people want to edit the page more. Mathfreak231, an example of a template this date param suggestion will go great with?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:23, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps {{In Progress}} (as we kind of have a time limit). I can't really think of others; it just seems like a general thing.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 23:24, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Front page problem

Zoom in very closely on the "Scratch News" header and look at the corners of the division as opposed to the other sections on the page. They are not rounded but the division inside the division has 90° corners.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 03:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

arent (all rounded corners) always like that? (if i know what you are thinging about) :)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:33, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

oh i see what you mean - ill check the code later - maybe because of a background image

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:34, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Scratch Modifications

I think that we should have a place where it lists if it is open source, if it is still being worked on. I could be in charge of asking the developers but I know some of them still are. Opinions?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 18:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Explain further. Most mod articles were deleted anyways especially those that aren't being worked on. We wouldn't want to bring those back.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 21:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I was talking about the ones that were already created. So I would put on Explore that it is still being developed.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

We reached 70 archives!

Yay! This is the 70th one :)
SSS User 13:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Yay?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 15:30, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

What?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 15:32, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Should I be happy it is the 70th archive?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 15:35, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

It's a new ten.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 15:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

So?...
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 15:37, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

NEWS!

As of 4 minutes ago, Scratch Jr is available. Let's add to the news!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:39, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Usually, we only put in the new SDSs and curators.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 15:41, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Oops, I was wrong there.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 15:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Naw, that's not true at all :P
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:45, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Clog

I am going to go in a NoRed making phase, use this filtered recent changes
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:13, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Maybe I will too. :P
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:14, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

its actually [1].

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about the clog.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I thought several more experienced users had voted against doing it? :/
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:16, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Since Krett12 did it I thought I could. I thought she'd gotten permission.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Krett12 is a boy. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 17:04, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks derp.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:16, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Scratch Jr Wiki

Anyone else like this idea? I am building a web server in a week.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

hmm, scratch is scratch though

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

I think we should just use this wiki.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Naw, we're makin' it a wiki! We can be the entrepreneurs (I didn't use spellcheck!) of this idea!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:21, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I could snap scratch-jr-wiki.org. Anyone got better ideas?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't support. Although a Wiki would be a great source of knowledge, would a 4-6 year old really be interested in looking through a Scratch Jr Wiki? Besides, how would we tell 4-6 years olds about the Scratch Jr Wiki in the first place?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Maybe it could be for parents. If we do make it, just let me know how to log in, I will set it all up.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:30, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea, considering in maybe half a year there will be an online community. There would be a lot to cover surely.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 04:23, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Alright let's ask them for a sub domain.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 04:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't support. We would have to make that wiki in different languages as well.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 09:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I think we should make it for parents. Then if their child is having trouble with it, they can go to the wiki and find some info and help them. If kids can't figure it out, then they won't participate.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:33, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Who says we need different languages? The Scratch Wiki only started out in English.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 12:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Yeah, this wiki went for four years with just the English one. And we still only have the German one.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:38, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, let's start it now off site, then in half a year when there's a community we can ask them to move it. Sound good? I'll start getting it set up.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:45, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

[http://scratchjrwiki.x10.bz/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Here's a temporary one. If you want an account, let me know, I'll set you up with one. But make sure you've set up your wiki e-mail on this wiki so I can send you your temp password. After we've gotten it built up, we can send the database to the Scratch Jr Team, and they can place it on their site. I tried to set the logo to the Scratch JR logo, but due to squaring, all it shows is a giant T :P.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd like an account. It would be great if someone got MIT and Tufts to approve a wiki and have it moved to wiki.scratchjr.org.
Djdolphin (talk | contribs) 02:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

What's the .x10? And why .bz?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 13:01, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Free hosting sucks.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

How do you sign up?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:23, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

You ask me to. Would you like an account? I already have the e-mail from the account request notes log.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

It's cool that your starting a ScratchJr wiki! :) Looks like you're off to a good start. The Scratch started on a different domain for a while before it moved to the Scratch website. So it's great that you started out on your own domain!
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 18:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Do you think if it gets large enough you guys would be able to migrate it?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 19:01, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

They probably will, but I'm not sure about me. I've only got about 500MB of space, and I can only make the database into .tar.gz files.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:41, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't know- I don't really work with the ScratchJr team.
Scmb1 (talk | contribs) 20:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

NoRed User Pages

Um... I thought the consensus was to not create all the nil user pages "just to avoid redlinks"?
AonymousGuy (talk | contribs | Scratch account) 01:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I thought that too but I guess there is no point of return anymore.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, even if the pages are deleted it will still show the deletion log :/

AonymousGuy (talk | contribs | Scratch account) 01:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Even if there was one, it was to do it this way. We should keep making them.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

From what I read, a large majority of people disagreed that they should be created.

AonymousGuy (talk | contribs | Scratch account) 02:00, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

People, please, before you create pages, discuss it on Community Portal :/
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 11:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Looking back at the discussion, it seems like Krett was the only one that actually agreed.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 12:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

It looks like -PRO- also agrees now that they're creating the talk pages. Is there something we could do to prevent this in the future?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 12:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I could run a bot on my main to delete the pages.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 12:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

No., you really couldn't, since people besides don't want them deleted. You could create a a script to make them though.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:35, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Maybe we could also protect the pages? Does that sound possible?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 13:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Protection might be nice, but TIAC is only a normal not.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

deleting it would ruin the historical status of the page more. How would we protect the pages but allow the users to create them if wanted later on? It will cause some inconveniences.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:58, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I know, that's why I told him he couldn't. Besides, I bet you to find a user that has no userpage that has signed in in the past year.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean "prevent doing this in the future", ErnieParke? That statement is a bit nebulous but I am assuming you mean prevent people from doing something that will change the wiki substantially? I think the main problem in that was the discussion ending with unclear verdicts. This is what caused no concrete embodied concensus to be formed. Ps Krett what do you mean signed?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:05, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I only did it to User:Adlogi because they actually log on and I hate looking at red links. Then Krett decided to do a whole lot so I thought I could too.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Why why why. Why can't people respect consensus, especially for something like this? It's going to be hard to fix. Perhaps the best thing is to replace the contents of {{nored}} to essentially imitate the current system, and show nothing for user pages, and a welcome message for talk pages.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Genius Sci!I'll do that!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I thought Krett asked someone.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

@KrIsMa: When I said "prevent doing this in the future", I was referring to preventing the creation of non-created user talk pages because it would destroy the historical aspect of the non-created pages. Besides, as @Scimonster said, we've already reached a consensus in the CP earlier.

@-PRO-: I don't remember seeing @Krett12 ask.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Well she might not have. She told me she could. Look on her talk page.
-PRO- (talk | contribs)

I am a boy. Even the Wiki database knows that.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)19:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

ernie can you point me to the place where the idea "dont create red link user pages" was stated not to go on?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:58, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

I completely agree with Scimonster - the pages that have the nored template on them should probably be blanked. For the talk pages, I think we should either blank them or provide the normal welcoming message with the date and time the account was created for the timestamp and the message appearing to be posted by the person who created the account. We can find the date and time of an account creation and the person who created the account through the user creation log. I think we should blank the user pages that already have the nored template, and I think the talk page should be blanked, or have the second idea. For the talk pages, I think blanking them is a better idea, because the default welcome message sent when the account was created was introduced in jvvg's system, so I think we should probably blank it instead to keep the talk page's historical status. Those are my thoughts. :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:02, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

if were blanking, then are we deleting the nored addition revision? Also, Krett, don't start blanking the pages yet. Ernie, please read above for a question I posted, I'm in iPad so I can't copy and I'm a bit indolent.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:28, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, why would we need do delete the revision? It seems ok to keep. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 05:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I think we should keep the creator of the page obscure so one might not blame him (maybe)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:38, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

What i mean by blanking is to have the template show nothing. Don't bother editing each page further. And for the talk pages, we can just ignore the timestamp. Don't change the content of the page; just have the template place things there.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

are we just going to blank the template and add a documentation about no red links or something along the lines?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:18, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

@KrIsMa: Don't forget that I'm on vacation.

Anyway, didn't we reach a consensus in the CP?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:38, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

The update is good, much less offensive to users. ;)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 11:05, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

New Article

I was thinking that I could make an article on how to modify the JSON file of a Scratch project to get in new features, but I'm not sure because of this post. What does everyone else think?
AonymousGuy (talk | contribs | Scratch account) 16:36, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Sure, and I'll help you. But let's make a notice that they don't like it.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:46, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

That sounds like a nice idea because we do have a Squeak Tutorial.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 19:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Awesome!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that would be a good article.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 21:40, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

New button

 Rejected I think there should be a new Stop editing button after the show changes because the only way you can stop editing is to press the browser's back button which sometimes comes out as a disaster.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 10:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

By the way, the code would be:

<script>

function noEdit() { window.history.back() } </script>

<button onclick ="noEdit()">Stop Editing</button>

JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 10:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Just go to another page like Recent Changes or click on the Read tab (probably under the pencil menu in SWS)
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 12:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

But it would make more sense to be in the editing section because it has got to do with editing.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 12:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Why does it come out as a disaster?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

That code has the same effect as clicking the browser's back button. And isn't there already a "Cancel" link?
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 00:13, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Just, nevermind.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 07:51, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

slight change to the welcome message.

Welcome to the Scratch Wiki! Please read the help pages before making any edits, as they provide a very useful basis for editing. If you have any questions, you can ask me on my user talk page, or you can also bring it up on the Community Portal. Please do not use this wiki for spam or be mean to other users, look at the Scratch Wiki Guidelines for more information about this. We hope you will make many useful edits to the Wiki.

Would anyone agree?
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 10:21, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I think you just made it way to long.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 12:29, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

^
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 12:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Scratch Wiki! Please read the help pages before making any edits, as they provide a very useful basis for editing. You might also want to look at the Scratch Wiki Guidelines. If you have any questions, you can ask me on my user talk page, or you can also bring it up on the Community Portal. We hope you will make many useful edits to the Wiki.

Better?
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 12:56, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I still think that it shouldn't be changed. We just had this discussion less than a month ago.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki News

Could someone add the new SDS on the Scratch Wiki frontpage? Thanks!
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 16:37, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 18:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

personal information

even though admins can delete edit histories, should we allow people to post personal information on the wiki (email)? [2]
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Until we can request accounts, I think we should then we remove it. We should trust each other.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

sorry, clarify please?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:19, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I think we should say the email then remove it and Scimonster will remove the edit.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:48, 1 August 2014

Every admin can do it, not just Scimonster. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd prefer if we don't.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:28, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

New Featured Image

I think we should put the logo of the LLK as a featured Image. The ones up have been up since I last suggested.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 23:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 14:26, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

ScratchWikiSkin

Does anyone know how to find/get it? I'd like to use it on the Scratch JR Wiki.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I'm working on it too. Anyways, I think you have to program the wiki itself.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 02:02, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I am the css kind of guy, and I am really good at styling things with css, so I could use css and a bit of jquery magic to make the ScratchJR wiki skin.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 07:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Good! :)
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 12:11, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I will do it as soon as krett12 signs me up. :-) But the main page is sysop protected. That is going to be a problem.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 12:41, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Why do you need to edit the main page to make a skin? And also, because that's the way the wiki was set up out-of-the-box when I installed it, I'll need an email address. Put in in comments so nobody can see it.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:23, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Because it does not look like scratch. It looks like wikipedia, we are NOT wikipedia.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 14:29, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

No, Wikipedia uses one of the default MediaWiki skins, and so does this and many other wikis. It's not a skin that belongs to Wikipedia. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 16:46, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

The code for the ScratchWikiSkin is right here.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 16:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Cool, you did it now!
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 18:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Cool that I installed ScratchWikiSkin?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:15, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

BYOB/Snap!

It says on Alternatives to Scratch that Snap! is not a Scratch modification because it is written in JavaScript. BYOB is a Scratch mod because it was still written in Squeak. Since Snap! and BYOB redirect to Build Your Own Blocks (Scratch Modification)(Which also tells about Snap!) should that page be linked in List of Scratch Modifications?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:29, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Good catch! I think so. BTW, check your e-mail, I made your account.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:24, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Grammar Template

We should have a template that appears at the top of a page stating that it has grammatical errors and needs a more consistent, proper writing style. This is different than the "wiki standards" template because a good article may just have bad grammar that needs fixed.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 03:06, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I can't think of a place where we would use this. Even grammer/spelling is still a little mysterious.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:41, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

What about articles that say stuff like "Okay! Now let's move onto the next thing". Or use second person a really lot?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 15:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Doesn't the "Wiki Standards" template have a place to put a reason? If so, then just put the reason for it, right?

AonymousGuy (talk | contribs | Scratch account) 15:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with AonymousGuy.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 15:41, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

{{Wiki Standards|needs better gramar or whatever the reason is}} We also allowed a reason to be put in for a reason. Reason-ception.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 16:22, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

HELP!

Can we use HTML and CSS on our userpages? Do we have to put <html> tags? Some one please explain what we can and cannot do with HTML/CSS.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:12, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, how do I move a page?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

You can only use a few tags, such as <div>, <span>, <table>, <code>. Just use them in wikitext the way you do custom tags.

To move a page, select move from the pencil menu.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks sci!
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 16:41, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

just use the style attribute in the span or eiv tags to add css to any page.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:12, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Capitalization of the Stage

Should we capitalize the Stage (or should I say stage)? I feel like it could go one way or the other because the stage is a common Scratch term but itself acts as a sprite with the name "Stage".
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 18:02, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I think it should be capitalized.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 18:32, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I also think it should be capitalized.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 19:52, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

From intuition, I agree with Swampert11 and -PRO-.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:43, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

When in doubt, don't change it. Keep it capitalized.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 10:59, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Scratch Box Template

You know that lovely division box that is used on all Scratch sites, you know, it even wraps around all content on a wiki page? I think a template for this would be cool with the parameters of header title and width. It could come in use on some pages which use it, such as the TOC or my user page :P
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 20:57, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I have no clue what you just said. Example?
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I just had a look at a CSS bit from the Scratch main site:

.box {
  background: #f7f7f7;
  border: 1px solid #e0e0e0;
  -moz-border-top-left-radius: 10px;
  -moz-border-top-right-radius: 10px;
  -webkit-border-top-left-radius: 10px;
  -webkit-border-top-right-radius: 10px;
  border-top-left-radius: 10px;
  border-top-right-radius: 10px;
  -webkit-box-shadow: 0 2px 3px rgba(34,25,25,0.3);
  -moz-box-shadow: 0 2px 3px rgba(34,25,25,0.3);
  -o-box-shadow: 0 2px 3px rgba(34,25,25,0.3);
  box-shadow: 0 2px 3px rgba(34,25,25,0.3);
  margin: 0 0 20px;
  padding: 0;
}

I could add something like this to Common.css if you really wanted.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 21:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

change continue

scimonster, do you prefer in Category:Scratch Website Images only two subcategories! Scratch 2.0 and scratch 1.4 images, or do you want a lot of subcategories on scratch 1.4 profile pics, scratch 2.0 profile pics, 2.0 front pages, 1.4 front pages, etc?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:20, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Subcategories that are specific to one version (ex. Navigation Bar Images) could go in that version, while others (ex. April Fools' Day Images) can go in the main category.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 11:36, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean, scimonster? do you mean like navigation bar images be separacted into 2.0 and 1.4 but not april fools day? or vice versa?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:30, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Tell you what, i'll just fix the categories myself.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:28, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually, after a closer look, we might as well just leave them, and only recategorize the images themselves.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

? Those are already all images

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:51, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

recategorize the pages into which categor(ies)?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:19, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

The stuff in Category:Scratch Website Images into 1.4/2.0 images.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:26, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Into the Category:Scratch 1.4 Website Images and 2.0?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ maybe we can work on it later at a predefined time (or elongate the time when we edit the images)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Tweaker

It will be off because it is currently having some issues. At first a file was broken, but now what's happening is that it has attempted to log in too many times and it has been blocked. :(
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I am trying to fix the "Fatal error: Call to a member function attributes() on a non-object in /home3/deh/wm/main.php on line 308" issue.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

wasn't it always off/defunct though?

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:52, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

No, it wasn't always off.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

the interval of editing is massive! July 14, 20 then 3rd? The intervals are way to big to be effective. Anyways if you want you can post the line here.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:55, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

That's the interval of when people need a message ;)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

??? if a user takes 6 days to read a message - for example, another user who breaks a rule should be notified immediately.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:58, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ They are!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:04, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

huh. We had a lot of discussions about your bot idle.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:51, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

It is not idle.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 05:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

CrazyNimbus is curator

Add to the news?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:22, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 15:52, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Template

I am requesting a template called {{circle}}. You use it like this:{{circle|<color>|<background color>|<width>|<height>|<text in the circle>}}. Here is an example. If I did: {{circle|cyan|orange|50|50|test}} I would get:

test

Sound good?
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 20:54, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

It does not sound good.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 21:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Jaycee- It is good you want to help the community with templates. However, that one is unneeded and can be substituted for other, more Scratch-like boxes. Plus, that one wouldn't be used in pages most likely.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 23:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I've seen them in many pages, especially user and user talk.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 08:00, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I like the idea! Although, I think the boarder should always be black, and the background always white. It's still a wiki.
Mariobros406 (talk | contribs) Talk to me here! 22:30, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Such as (except for yours)?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 22:35, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

We try not to have userpage-only templates.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:34, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

You can still make the color be black and the background color be white and I have seen borders in a few pages.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 08:20, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Such as? It's definitely not standard.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:47, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

I forgot the name but there is a page where it says features and its in a cyan circle.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 15:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Are you thinking of this? It's gone now.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:00, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Page Deletion

Do you think How to Download Scratch 1.4 and How to Download Scratch should be deleted as we do not need articles about how to download things?
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 00:02, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's really not that good.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 01:07, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I think that instead is deleting the pages, it would be more helpful to turn them into redirects. Thoughts?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:21, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Swampert11 tagged the pages when we didn't even reach a consensus, therefore I don't think they should be deleted-that is only promoting this.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:02, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

File Namespaces

I can make an extension that would let us have 2 or more file namespaces. This might be useful for userpage images, april fools day images, what do you think?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:18, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

No. Categories work fine.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:35, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Scimonster, so no.
Swampert11 (talk | contribs) 16:07, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Two to one! I think at four for either, that is a consensus. Darn, I wanted to win my vote.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:26, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

consistency problems. And at four for either.!?! Lol I'm having a bit of trouble comprehending that ;)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:49, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Help Page

Does anyone think that there should be a page called Help:Pencil Tool about the pencil tool? I will draft it in my sandbox.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 15:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

No, not really. That doesn't seem like the right thing. Besides, if you use this skin like me and Mathfreak do, you don't even see any pencil.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 16:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

before making a link, put the hypertext protocol in front of it. That brings up the hyperlink.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:06, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. I don't use the default skin either. I don't think it is necessary.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 18:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

That only works for the home page. How do you make it to be like that every link you press is in the vector skin? If you press a link it is in the default skin. How do you make it not be like that?
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 19:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I have no clue what you just said.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

In vector mode if I press any link it takes me there in default skin. How do I make the skin always be in vector?
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 19:18, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Never mind. I figured it out.
JayceeMinecraft user | talk | contributions 19:25, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Examples for Scripts

I was wondering if I could create projects on my test account that showcased scripts that are shown on the Wiki. Like the terrain generator and such. I want to get approval first. I will make them.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 18:24, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

nice idea - you are planning to link all instances of the scratchblocks in the wiki to an account? i would use like a generic scratch account - but its going to take a long time! a practicable option is using a shared account - not allowed. if a shared account is allowed, its really easy to accidently create the same scratchblock script again by accident. hmm it will take a long time, and unless you have a structured plan dont do it because it is easy to be in a quandary once you start.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I would link to the project not the account. I see what you mean at the end.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:21, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe a different account to do it? Personally, I probably wouldn't want to make projects for the Scratch Wiki bundled together with all my other test projects. And seeing the word "Test" (in the username) may get people confused - they might think something along the lines of "So wait, this is just a test"?

AonymousGuy (talk | contribs | Scratch account) 23:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

@KrIsMa Generic Scratcher you say?? Wow, that is so ironic. The account GenericScratcher belongs to me, I'll be happily obliged.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

No. I would create one called WikiExamples. Good point, AonymousGuy
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:54, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ WikiScripting is now mine!
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:19, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Good for you.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 21:11, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

You've all had your vacations, now for mine.

I'm heading down to Chicago for a few days tomorrow afternoon. I probably won't have access to a computer with internet. Just thought I'd notify y'all of my leave. Cya!
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 00:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

You're going to Chicago? My sister's already beat you to it; she moved there over a year ago. She'll be moving to London pretty soon!

Anyway, see you later Mathfreak231! Have a fun time in Chicago!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:28, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Awesome! Have fun! :)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:30, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

i think you guys will be my impetus to go on a vacation. i jsut dont know when the inception will be. maybe when my studies are at their nadir.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Then i suppose i'll be the only admin for a few days...
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes. That means all of us can spam your talk page with requests! (sci's page)
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:36, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

We haven't taken our vacation this year.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:20, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Have fun in Chicago!
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:40, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

UPDATE: If you have noticed, I have been able to access the internet. However, I can only do so in the morning for a short amount of time. Also, it's still my vacation, and I would prefer not to have to work too hard.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 13:11, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

hotel complimentary wifi?  ;) gratis wifi really is useful especially going abroad.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:56, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Complimentary computers during complimentary breakfast. Thank goodness I returned in the afternoon. I'm back and better than ever! xD
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 00:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I am returning

I get home tomorrow, so WM will return to my control and I will resume doing admin things.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back! :D
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Tweaker has been a bit broken lately, you're just in time.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:25, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, it's worth noting that school starts soon for me, so I won't be quite as available as before, but will still be on at least once a day.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

hi welcome to the (stagnated [became more so after you left]) wiki ;)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back @jvvg! I'm glad to see that you're here. :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs)

It's great to be back. I started WikiMonitor back up again, and look forward to maintaining this Wiki.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Ok!
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Skin

I would like to let y'all that use the default skin that the footer should be updated soon because I submitted a pull request on GitHub. I know none of you really care but just telling you.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 23:19, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

It's not gotten right off GitHub, you'll have to get Scmb1.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I commented on her Scratch profile. but I know she like to keep the GitHub files updated.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

However, when a pull request is received, scmb1 usually does update it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:25, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

So any of us can work on the skin?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

If you have a GitHub account, yes. The wiki skin repo is here.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Yes, anybody can work on the skin. However, the ST has veto power.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I created a pull request. It should get through because it is updating the footer.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Did you also test it on your own installation of MediaWiki? You should always do that before submitting a pull request. Also, this is something very important: is your HTML completely valid? scmb1 needed help on the new skin because various features were not working properly a while back, and the first thing I did was check the HTML syntax, and sure enough that was the problem. I am known for having high standards with grammar, but I have even higher standards with HTML. My policy is that a single parse error is not acceptable, and everyone else should follow that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:42, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

First of all, I have tried to install MediaWiki and it didn't work. Second of all I tested the footer html and it worked just fine. All of my HTML is correct. I have standards too.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 19:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

April Fools Template Broken

This should not go on the template talk, this is very big. Look at this:

Uh-oh!

We've got a problem.

What should we do?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Try with the normal skin?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 17:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Only those who have an account can use Vector, unless you count useskin=. I'll change it back and try it again.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:37, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I replaced the image with what it looks like normally. How does this look for those of you who use ScratchWikiSkin?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Looks just fine.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

vacation

Finally decided to go on a vacation to Whistler in about a week until forever! Yay now I can go on a sojourn and relax ;) should I go to study in serenity or have fun?
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

It's up to us? I choose have fun.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

When you say "until forever", does that mean you're permanently leaving the Wiki? If so, you will be missed.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:56, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE A DEDICATED EDITOR! PLEASE DON'T LEAVE!!!
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 20:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

No, they just mean "for a long time"
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:41, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

aww thanks guys ;) no I'm just going there for a long time (probably a week or so) but I should totally go there for fun! ;)

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Fun for sure. :)

Have a good vacation KrIsMa! :)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 10:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

thanks everyone! I'll edit once I'm on airplane!

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:55, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I thought you can't access wifi on the plane, as it messes up their communications. That's why airplane mode turns off wifi, GPS, etc.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 22:26, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Actually, most airplanes actually let people use it after the plane has taken flight ;) (well all of the ones I went to!) right now I'm in about to go to go in about 5 hours ;) (I can data share my dad's phone to this iPad and then I get wifi ;)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 06:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Changes to WM

Right before I left a while ago, there was major discussion about making changes to WikiMonitor. A lot of ideas were thrown around, and it became difficult for me to track it. The discussion died down a while ago, but left everybody a while to think about it. So, now, what changes should be made to WM?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

What changes were disgust again?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

There was the ongoing discussion about whether to make the messages nicer and about messages changing as users receive more.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I think that the messages should override talk page formatting. Like, make a white background, black text, placed on the left, etc.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:40, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

scratchblocks2

It seems that the wiki's version of scratchblocks2 has not been updated recently. Can someone do this please? For example, I can't make custom C loops and the whole //category= thing is pretty glitchy.
Davidkt (talk | contribs) 21:04, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

It's not glitchy, it's just picky with formatting.

This block doesn't exist, but it is light-blue sensing downright anyway //category=sensing

What did I tell you? //category=motion
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 02:42, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

lol //category=control

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:05, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, krett12 is right. :P //category=operators

derpmeup (talk | contribs) 18:08, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I am pretty awesome //category=looks
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

xD //category=motion
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 04:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Apparently, it is (outdated :: motion) :: looks
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 11:38, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘The colon method was removed, I believe. //category=sound
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Not removed, added. The comment method is the old way, colons are new.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:31, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Really? Oh, I guess maybe it should be updated then! //category=pen
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 14:33, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

When blob8108 created the scratchblocks tag for 2.0, was the Wiki updated with his scratchblocks tag, or did it keep JSO's?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 15:26, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

It's made by The Blob. //category=events
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:26, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

We're using blob's version for 2.0, but he then updated it, which hasn't made it to the wiki.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 20:00, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

This is what I was trying to do. ::cstart control

Davidkt (talk | contribs) 22:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Experimental block pages

DevanWolf created a couple pages about blocks included in 2.0 builds that never made it public. So, the question is, do we keep them? We do already have Stamp Transparent (), Show Monitor (), All at Once, Color FX Test (), etc., all of which did not make the cut. I say that they could be interesting.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:06, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I say that we keep them because like you said Sci, they'd be interesting to look at from a historical perspective.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 10:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

keep, but place in removed block category and navbox :>

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Don't we already have links in the block category? And for the navbox, (Double Checking), do you mean this page?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:27, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I think they should be kept.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 21:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

BYOB/Snap Pages

It says on Alternatives to Scratch that Snap! is not a Scratch modification because it is written in JavaScript. BYOB is a Scratch mod because it was still written in Squeak. Since Snap! and BYOB redirect to Build Your Own Blocks (Scratch Modification)(Which also tells about Snap!) should that page be linked in List of Scratch Modifications? I think that I should create a Snap! page and it will be in the page List of Scratch Extensions. Support? It should be separted. I will say when I copy and paste the Snap! part that it used to be known as BYOB.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 11:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you by the way you say it, and the fact that nothing about "Snap!" is in the title.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 11:42, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

I am just saying that Snap! isn't a scratch mod.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 22:30, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

2 Art Program Pages Addition

Hello everyone! I'm NeonTech, a new scratch wiki editor. I just wanted to notify everyone that I would like to write information pages about two major art programs used by Scratchers , Gimp and Inkscape.
NeonTech (talk | contribs) 00:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Scratch Wiki! We already have an article on that type of thing - Alternatives to the Paint Editor. Also, don't forget to sign your post on talk pages by typing ~~~~ at the end of your posts. I added your signature for you. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 00:51, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

faulty talk page welcoming...

Sorry for faulty edit summary (lol), but is it really a hassle (is it really worth it?) welcome people with JSO's account? (If this discussion was debated somewhere else, please tell me thank you!)
KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

It's just the template. If you don't like JSO, who's sig should it be then? And "nobodys" is not an option, IMO.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Why not use User:ThisIsAnAccount or something?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:01, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I figure, it's like a big tree.

Krett12 was created by jvvg, jvvg was created by Johnathanpb, Johnathanpb was created by JSOadmin (I used JSO instead). When you get down to it, everyone got in from JSO. Did ThisIsAnAccount create the Wiki? No, it was made by Mathfreak231, who got in from Johnathanpb, etc. So, I really think JSO would be best.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

You are also forgetting about Lucario621, who is the one who actually founded this Wiki. The reason I suggested TiaC is that it doesn't suggest a specific person.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

JSO installed MediaWiki. If that's the route you wanna take, let's not forget LukeTek :P . But sure, I'll change it to TIAC's sig.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:33, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

The image didn't work, back to JSO
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I have an idea. Instead of debating who's sig it should be, how about we make a generic account solely for this purpose? A name along the lines of WikiBot or WelcomeBot would be nice.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:15, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

However, we have stated that bots solely to welcome users are not necessary and therefore should not be created. Creating a special account just for this purpose would only serve to confuse people.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Wait, I thought of what user to use. Why not ScratchTeam? The sig works even if we don't create a Wiki account (I tested it, don't worry). Also, unrelated, but is the Wiki now displaying history timestamps in local time?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:18, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

ErnieParke, I said Tweaker should do it, but they shot that idea down. So I'd like to run it. Infact, maybe the new welcome messages should be by that bot. It would give us more control over functionality. And jvvg, Scratchteam does have a Wiki account. I'll change it, see if it works.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:31, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

in my own opinion, using jso's sig wont retain the original purpose of the sigs, identifying a post someone posted

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:46, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

We have already established that we should not have bots for writing welcome messages. The current messages are at least signed to the user who created the account (giving it a more personal touch), while receiving a message from a bot just means somebody is running code but doesn't give any emphasis on caring. Finally, there is the last point, which is creating bots uses resources and creates more potential to malfunction. There is absolutely no way you could argue that the costs and risks creating a bot that does something the software already takes care of for us (and then many users add on top of it and don't have any complaints about it being repetitive) outweigh the benefits, which are next to none.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:49, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, while I'm at it, we should create a policy about people writing bots on their own accounts. For now, I'm going with this: "Users can create bots on their own accounts, but they must notify everybody via the CP before operation and stop if an admin asks. These bots also may not run any background scripts that periodically poll the Wiki (e.g. the way WikiMonitor does).".
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

i say make a new discussion on that, jvvg.

KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:04, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I did a test in my sandbox a couple days ago, you can still make a working scratchsig for someone who doesn't have a Wiki account.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Mass revert

I just had to revert a large amount of edits (I'm counting 23 reverts). If I accidentally reverted a legitimate edit, I am sorry, please put it back with the "Undo" button.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

This was mainly with userspace?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:15, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

They all should have been userspace. Also, when I was talking about non-dedicated bots, one I was thinking of making was one that lets me revert all of the recent edits by a user in case something like that happens again.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 13:54, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Archive

This should be archived for the 71st archive of the CP.
-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:15, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm on it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:16, 23 August 2014 (UTC)