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FINAL VERDICT from Twitter vs. X Megathread

Resolved (since 19:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC))

Recently I made a post regarding the status of the discussion debating Twitter vs. X. I have made the following proposal, but it was archived. I have decided to bring it back without bringing back the full topic (since that would be insane). Here's the message:

@Purin2022, Co0lcr34t10ns, Mybearworld, BrilliantGamer6, Mrsrec, Vdiu, Kenny2scratch, banana439monkey, Lovecodeabc Alright. There don't seem to be too many major objections, so I propose this:

• All instances of Twitter are replaced with X as a rule.
  • First mention is "X (formerly Twitter)"
  • All subsequent mentions are just X (as we seem to have determined that we can assume people somewhat know what X is)
  • This WILL be a mass edit, unlike mentioned earlier (since my proposal of mass-editing didn't get shot down), so all articles mentioning this will be change to reflect these new rules.
  • This will occur for ALL mentions, not just the ones that speak of X after its name change.
• All links to the X main website will (this is new) link to x.com, because, as of 5/28/24, x.com no longer redirects to twitter.com.

If anyone has any major objections, please object by replying to this thread and {{@}}-ing me BEFORE June 1^st. If there are no major objections by then, everything listed above WILL be done on all pages on the wiki.

Please don't object with small little tiny things that only apply to one or two pages. This can be discussed on that articles talk page, and just makes this massive conversation take longer. I am sorry if this seems harsh, I'm just trying to say things as matter-of-fact-ly as possible, to get this megathread conversation over with. Thanks for understanding.

Please reply to this message by June 1 if you have any major objections. If there aren't any the wiki community will start making the above outlined edits starting on June 1.
Note: obviously I cannot ban anyone from taking part in a discussion, but it would probably better for users to not join in on this discussion if they haven't already been a part of it. Almost every single humanly possible point has been brought up, so I'm not sure how that would help too muchThis is a suggestion, not a 'rule'
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 02:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@han614698 I'll repeat what I have said in the archive:

That looks mostly reasonable. There are a few very minor problems that haven't been properly addressed, but:

• People don't read an article from top-to-bottom as they may read from a specific section (redirect exists). That said, we can assume that most people know Twitter => X so it should be fine.
• There's no definitive conclusion on that 'what to use in headings' thing although it seems like writing "X (formerly Twitter)" in headings is somewhat a consensus. So I propose that to be used. (although there's only one such situations so far, namely Scratch on Social Media, so it can go to another page if someone objects)
  Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 10:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@han614698 "X, formerly Twitter" and x.com look reasonable but I object to further instances just referring to X; I do not believe that reflects the content of the discussion. It seemed split between giving equal weight to X and Twitter and giving additional weight to Twitter. Respectfully, it does seem like you are the only person in favour of X, so I think that one might not be used. My belief is that Kenny2scratch's proposal most closely reflects the consensus-- let's say "X, formerly Twitter" initially-- and after that point, either don't use a name at all (use context), or just say Twitter. Just saying X does not reflect the content of the discussion or any precedents, in my opinion. However, changing the links to x.com does make sense-- while it did not make sense at the time given that they were being changed from a direct link to a redirect, now that that URL is the direct URL it would make sense to do so.
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 10:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@Mrsrec Ok, so we have to have the entire conversation over. I did forget to mention that we would use “the platform” when possible, but that doesn’t always work. I think we need to use X for that. The links are x.com, our first mention is “X, formerly Twitter”. Why would we suddenly call it Twitter for one sentence?

Do other people think it needs to be Twitter in this very specific case or is X okay?

Personally I think that this should be a talk page conversation in those articles - most articles mention X once.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 11:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@han614698, Mrsrec Okay, there are: one, two, three, four... four articles on the Scratch Wiki that mentions Twitter at least twice, excluding twitter.com and X... Grant it that the platform can be used in some of these articles, that still a bit too much in my opinion for individual discussions...

There's like seven mentions on Maintenance Mode, and like none would make sense with the platform. Take this action, "reminding the user to check their Twitter", as an example. If we replaced Twitter with the platform, then, well, who knows what does the platform refer to what platform. If we replaced it with X instead, then, "reminding the user to check their X", well, it works. The general consensus, as far as I'm concerned, is to use X in this (and many other case), it should be used. If anyone finds a mention where X is not suitable, prove me wrong.
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 11:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@Purin2022 I was under the impression, after the previous discussion, that it was to be avoided entirely. I also don't think it is suitable in your example, "check their X" could mean any number of things, especially without clear context. Therein lies the problem with just using X: it's just a letter-- and often one used to stand in for something else. What is the problem with the common name?
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 13:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘@han614698 I propose remove to remove the part If there aren't any the wiki community will start making the above outlined edits. My opinion is that kenny2scratch's last point is in order to avoid mass-edits that isn't too consturctive in terms of a reader.

@Mrsrec You have raised a good point that, after 42 days of discussion, has been forgotten. So I certainly agree that "X" could mean a billion things — variable names, letter names etc. Also re-reading the conversation there's not actually a clear consensus of any sorts — it's more like people coming up with their own proposal but there's always problems or alternative proposals to that proposal. In fact, there isn't any problem with the common name.

@Co0lcr34t10ns, Mybearworld, BrilliantGamer6, Vdiu, Kenny2scratch, Lovecodeabc So where are we leading this conversation to? This really shouldn't be a topic this long, so at some point we might have to do the last resort method: voting. This has been avoided many, MANY times before, but if we don't we just don't lead to anywhere. And my intentions is to not get this topic to S:CPND. Plus that it's mostly a debate with repeatedly-restated-evidences by now, where none of the sides/evidences are outweighing another. This is different to, for example, the Griffpatch Argument, where points are mostly-different-in-strength, thus far this topic has its argument had mostly simliar-strength arguments which could be manipulated for the other side. If you don't like this idea, say it.

Redacted by OP on 14:33, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 14:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@Purin2022 I think, with everything that has been said up to now, we can leave this alone. We have covered all our bases and also ran around the field enough times to win the baseball game, if you get what I mean.

@Mrsrec I disagree with this point. While it's true that in all aspects of Scratch, there are many uses of X, in the context of all articles that mention X, it doesn't matter.

This is MY final verdict. I have no further grievances with this proposal, and I am fine with it's current state.
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 15:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Here's what I think about some of these:

@han614698 — I think the best thing to do is mention both in some way, whether it's doing "X (formerly Twitter)", "X, formerly Twitter", "X/Twitter", etc. As I said originally in the archived version, this does not add much to the page size at all. Adding "/Twitter" adds only 8 bytes to the page for each of its mentions, adding ", formerly Twitter" adds only 18 bytes for each mention, and " (formerly Twitter)" adds 19 bytes for each mention. If a page were to mention X seven times, that would only be adding 133 bytes maximum.

@Purin2022 — Your first and third posts are fine, however I'm mainly talking about your second in this response. Saying "reminding the user to check their X" sounds a bit weird in my opinion, and it sounds like it would probably be confusing to others. However, it'd be somewhat okay to add more meaning to it that shows it's a social media platform, such as saying "reminding the user to check their X account" instead.

@Mrsrec — Yes, this is true. In my very first reply to the currently archived topic, I said that X could be interpreted with many different meanings, as shown on Wikipedia's disambiguation page for X. There's 159 meanings shown, if I counted correctly.
BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 20:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I am trying really hard to not escalate this as Kenny2scratch pointed out, but I think I need to stop participating in this conversation so I don’t start getting rude. I feel like nothing I’m saying is being heard, especially the stuff about my proposal. I proposed that we have a mass edit for consistentcy, and instead of talking about the points, people just said that Kenny2scratch said we shouldn’t - the fact that Ken said we shouldn’t isn’t a point.

I propose that we have a vote since we really aren’t getting anywhere. I apologize for all of this but I am still of the opinion that Twitter is a deadname (of course no one will get offended) and we should not be mentioning it anywhere on this wiki as twitter does not exist anymore and it’s basically a slang term for C (even though the name X might be controversial).

Is everyone good with a vote? We can decide what exactly we’re voting on after the fact, but for now, can we choose that?

Alternate option: we replace all twitter.com links with x, and we have individual discussions on article talk pages instead of a mega thread about many different things.

I did not @ anyone since I’m on a phone and this is really hard on its own. If someone who sees this could reply with their response and all of the @s that would be nice.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 20:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I'm fine with voting. I really don't want to participate in this discussion anymore, so just set up the vote and I'll say my peace there. This is getting so draining. I'll @ everyone as you requested: @Purin2022, Mybearworld, BrilliantGamer6, Mrsrec, Vdiu, Kenny2scratch, Lovecodeabc
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 00:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Co0lcr34t10ns You forgot banana. @banana439monkey
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 00:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

leave me alone.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,485))

09:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I didn't forget Banana. They didn't want to be pinged, so I didn't ping them.
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 09:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@banana439monkey, @Co0lcr34t10ns Geez, how should I know? I never saw anything that said this.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 11:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

They said that they didn't want to be pinged in [[1]]. Purin removed it. I saw the edit history and took note of it. So please stop pinging banana.
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 11:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Co0lcr34t10ns It's off topic but note that I didn't remove the message in question. What I did remove was the last part of my 3^rd reply, which I originally appended that part after an edit conflict of banana saying that message. It was this edit by someone else who remove the message instead. But either way, don't ping banana.

Back on topic. So so far no one said that they don't want to vote. Now not everyone had voiced their opinions on their vote so far but oh we really need to sort this out ASAP, so here is the situation:

This isn't perfect, but are everyone happy about this? Or simply we don't vote?
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 13:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Purin2022 No objections.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 02:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

@Co0lcr34t10ns, Mybearworld, BrilliantGamer6, Mrsrec, Vdiu, Kenny2scratch, han614698, Lovecodeabc — Welcome back to this horrible mess calm discussion. It has been two-or-more weeks since the last post, so I assume that nobody is against voting. Therefore, we can start voting. The voting would start now and end on Tuesday 2^nd July, 23:59 UTC. Under my previous post, I'd cast my vote as Part A: 1st: 3; 2nd: 4; 3rd: 1; 4th: 2; Part B: option ii.

Thank you very much for your time.
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 17:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Purin2022! I welcome you to this miserable hell friendly voting time :))))))) I vote 2. BTW I'm using 2 in Scratch on Social Media#X (formerly Twitter) as a placeholder before we come to an agreement.
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 17:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not really sure that voting is a substitute for discussion, but if nobody can close it then I guess it can't hurt to say my opinion. I will go 3, then 1, then 4, then 2. And @Co0lcr34t10ns, you haven't given your alternative preferences yet, you've only voted for one option. You should rank them all in order of most to least preferred.
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 21:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘2, 4, 3, 1. essentially reverse Mrsrec lol
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 23:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Here's my vote, according to what @Purin2022 said. I'd either vote 3142 or 3412. I think I'll go with 3, 4, 1, 2 though. As for part B, I'm not really sure what it's saying, so I can't really give a vote on that. That's just my vote for this intense argument mild voting.
BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 00:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@Co0lcr34t10ns, Mrsrec, BrilliantGamer6 — It looks like I need to apologise for not making part B clear. There was an argument between, (i), "mass-updating our existing articles for consistency", or, (ii) "clean up the rest of each article you edit in the process". Basically it's between whether you want consistency but clogging Recent Change, or the other way around.
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 18:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

1.
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 18:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I saw that, but I don't think the second part is necessary, because it's not our place to call a vote to prohibit certain types of editing, especially when doing so would undermine this discussion in the first place. I think anyone can change according to the results of the first vote if they see fit. How would such a rule even be enforced? By reverting them to things against the first result?
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 20:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@Purin2022 A: 2431 B: Option 1. (note that I have become very inactive due to some personal things)
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 14:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Voting Period is now over! Final tallies:

For A (the main bit)

Option	Description	Tallies	Ranking
1	Always use "Twitter"	1+2+0+1+0 = 4	4th
2	Always use "X"	0+0+3+0+3 = 6	3rd
3	Avoid the use of either names where possible, but use "Twitter" if not.	3+3+1+3+1 = 11	1st
4	Avoid the use of either names where possible, but use "X" if not.	2+1+2+2+2 = 9	2nd

So it's pretty clear that we should, "[a]void the use of either names where possible, but use "Twitter" if not." As for B), although it was my bad at explaining stuff (oof), it seems like the "mass-update it all" (2 votes) is a bit more popular than no (1 vote). So you're free to edit a page simply because of this Twitter/X thingy! Just don't flame war...

Anyway this is FINALLY the end of this, wild, wild, journey, spanning across two topics. Now we can Finally resolve this topic!
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 19:46, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

S:PRO and summaries.

Does S:PRO apply to edit summaries? I was told to stay professional everywhere on the wiki, but I usually like to inser witty, fun comments while still trying to convey what the edit is about.
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 17:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

No as far as I know. Of course I didn't made that rule so I can't be 100% sure but at the top of the section it says "treat all articles on the wiki as encyclopedia entries", which doesn't include edit summaries. Otherwise "I fixed grammar" is also incorrect. But if you're going to make it funny just make sure that people can actually read the summary.
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 17:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

@Co0lcr34t10ns, Something like «whittled a little silly teeny tiny typo» should do the work. However, «42nd french street», «opyt a dexif» or «ꍏꀸꀸꍟꀸ ꍏ ꉓꂦꂵꂵꍟꈤ꓄» probably won't.

Jmdzti_0-0 ( talk|Scratch profile|contribs (391) ) 14:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Asking for consensus for making a template

So, I've already made a prototype of a template (User:Jmdzti_0-0/measure) that can convert km to miles, meters to feet, centimeters to inches, and vice versa. I have 2 ideas for making this:

• This would be the template «{{convert}}» and would have 2 parameters, {{{from}}} and {{{to}}}
• Having separate templates for different results ({{km to miles}}, {{in to cm}}, between others). Is this a good idea?
  
  Jmdzti_0-0 ( talk|Scratch profile|contribs (391) ) 14:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Not sure where in mainspace would that be useful.
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 21:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

The german Wiki needs Administrator Help please

Resolved (since 8 June 2024)

Hallo ich grüße euch. Ich der deutsche Wiki Administrator benötige Hilfe von den englischen Administratoren. Das deutschschpachige Wiki hat ein Problem bei dem ich überfordert bin und keine Ahnung habe was ich da machen kann, https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/ Auf der linken Seite des gesamten Wikis fehlen die Infoboxen mit den Links. Normalerweise werden dort die Links zu den Tools, Navigation & Spezialseiten angezeigt. Bei dem deutschen Wiki fehlen diese Infobaxen alle. Das Wiki ist somit komplett unbrauchbar. Ich habe keine Ahnung wie und wann das passiert ist. Ohne die Links zu den Spezialseiten bin ich leider nicht in der Lage der Fehler auch nur einzugrenzen. Unser Bürokrat Martin Wollenweber erzählte mir damals bei Problemen könne ich mich auch an die englischen Administratoren wenden. Jetzt ist es leider soweit denn ich habe keine Ahnung was ich da jetzt unternehmen kann. Ich hoffe ihr könnt da irgendwie helfen. Danke

I have a google translation: Hello, greetings. I, the German wiki administrator, need help from the English administrators. The German-language wiki has a problem that I am overwhelmed with and have no idea what to do about it, https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/ The info boxes with the links are missing on the left side of the entire wiki. The links to the tools, navigation & special pages are normally displayed there. The German wiki is missing all of these info boxes. The wiki is therefore completely unusable. I have no idea how and when this happened. Without the links to the special pages, I am unfortunately unable to narrow down the error. Our bureaucrat Martin Wollenweber told me at the time that if I had any problems I could also contact the English administrators. Now, unfortunately, the time has come because I have no idea what I can do about it. I hope you can help somehow. Thank you
Lichtrebell (talk | contribs) 03:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Odd. I entered the DACH wiki and the info boxes were there. Does it matter if you have an account?
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 10:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. The info boxes are actually still there. My eyes aren't that good anymore and that's why I probably enlarged the pages too much. The English wiki must have a different width. I'm a bit embarrassed now. I really thought there was a bigger problem. Thank you
Lichtrebell (talk | contribs) 13:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday 53

Hi Scratchers. Here are the Thanks for June of 2024.

User	Thanks
‎Purin2022 (talk | contribs)	Thank you for your continued verification of information accuracy Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 20:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
‎Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs)	Thanks for your nonstop tireless activity to clean the wiki of errors Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 20:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
‎Za-Chary (talk | contribs)	Perhaps it's a bit non-conventional to thank someone who doesn't have a wiki account, but I do believe that those who contribute from the Scratch site are those who evidently do just care about helping and improving; maybe they will request one day or maybe they just won't. Either way your contributions are important. Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 20:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

A bit of a non-conventional one but interesting nontheless. See you all next month!
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 20:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Don't have to thank me for error-correcting. Natural habit of mine, that's why I made the account. Also letting Za-Chary know rn
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 12:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

[Suggestion] An article about TurboWarp.

Resolved (since 10:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC))

If we have an article about Snap!, Insanity, Tosh_(Scratch_modification) so, why don't we have one about TurboWarp? Should it be added, along with Adacraft?

Jmdzti_0-0 ( talk|Scratch profile|contribs (391) ) 15:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

A rule that disallows the creation of pages about Scratch Modifications was added (see Scratch Wiki:New Page Policies#Modifications), but old pages that were created were remained to stay up. Really, I think that most of the old Scratch Modification pages should be deleted since they're no longer very relevant.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 16:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

It was made after the ban on mod pages, existing mod pages remain though.
Adzboy • Talk • Contributions • Scratch Profile 17:27, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Grandfathering (wait that's American but I digressed) problem! This involves the question, "should our old articles be regulated under our (relatively) new rule?" There is quite a bit of problem with S:NP#Modifications, for one, most of the mods documented on the wiki are not "notable examples", but rather, "historical mods"; there is little-to-no mods documented post-1.4. And there are not, "several", mods documented, but rather, 18. TL;DR of the last two senteces: S:NP#Modifications is quite bad at documenting things. But again, I digressed.

The thing with Grandfathering is that it often gets regulated under the new rules after a period of time. Well in our case, that period of time must have been at least 5 years. So, uhh, we should delete those articles? Or that probably should go to another topic?
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 20:06, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Purin2022 I've made a separate topic regarding this under Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal#Removal of Scratch Modification Pages.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 06:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Twitter Adjustments

I worked on all of the Twitter/X adjustments. Is what I did good? Anything else we agreed on changing differently?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 02:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday 54

Hey Scratchers. I was a bit unexpectedly (but happily!) surprised to see a not-blank table; we are now once again thanking each other!

User	Thanks
Jmdzti 0-0 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for being a good sport on the wiki! Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 19:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Purin2022 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for staying calm and collected in more difficult environments! Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 19:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC) Thanks for being able to always give your opinion straight forward. That helps with everything! han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 01:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Mrsrec (talk | contribs)	I know we have disagreed at times, but thanks for helping with everything on the wiki. All of your edits are in good faith and help everything! han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 01:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Gdxfor (talk | contribs)	Thanks for being an active opinionator in Community Portal discussions. Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 12:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs)	Thanks for not letting me be the only person thinking about Thankful Thursday this month. I'm happy that with enough perseverance it may finally be coming back, and other users join in as well Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 21:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

See you all next month! Feel free to leave your own thoughts at S:TT!!!
-unsigned comment by Mrsrec (talk | contribs)

Did I just get thanked thanking people causing others to thank and be thanked making for a more thankful Thursday for everyone, whether they got thanked or not thank thank? Wow. Thank you.
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 22:45, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@Mrsrec, you forgot to remove the sample thanks.
Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 08:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks

Here are the thanks for May 2024.

User	Thanks
MagicCoder330 (talk | contribs)	Thank you for your continued dedicated to small, but useful, changes. It all adds up! Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 10:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Jvvg (talk | contribs)	Thank you for your continued scheduled commitments to the wiki Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 10:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
Purin2022 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for your respectful tone in controversial topics Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 10:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

See you next month Scratchers! Keep improving the wiki and being awesome while doing so!
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 10:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Citing the Wayback Machine

When editing a page regarding a feature that no longer exists on the Scratch website, is it acceptable to use a snapshot from the Wayback Machine as a citation when describing the feature?
Scratch137 (talk | contribs) 20:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

@Scratch137 Most likely yes.
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 20:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Probably, because a lot of pages do this.
BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 21:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Degeneralize Help pages

Resolved (since 18:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC))

I saw a lot of the Help pages on this wiki simply say "your wiki" instead of "the Scratch Wiki", and also miss out on mentioning some Scratch Wiki guidelines. I'm assuming these were copied from MediaWiki.org, because they look a lot like a help page I would find, copy, and paste from that site if I were to build a wiki. Should I de-generalize these pages?
A-MARIO-PLAYER (talk | contribs) 20:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER Can you give an example of such a page? Cause I don't think I've ever seen one before.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 01:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

@Gdxfor A lot of these MediaWiki generalisation (but not all) have already been "fixed". For example, this edit (which happened recently) and this permalink (which still starts with "MediaWiki" as of writing).

@A-MARIO-PLAYER I don't see why not.
Purin2022 | 💬Talk | 📝Contribs | 🐱Scratch 12:43, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Sticky Page

I know I don't need community consensus to create a new page, but I don't want to do the work for this if it will get deleted. Do you think it would be okay to create a page, List of Stickies by Forum that just has every forum (Suggestions, Annoucements, etc.) in a list and then listed the stickies and who owns them? I feel like that might be beneficial, but maybe not. What do you all think? I'll probably create it if no one says that it doesn't make any sense (in a couple days).
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 14:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Seems helpful. I'm fine with it. I'm not an experienced editor by any means, though, so get some more opinions.
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 14:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't really think this is super necessary. Topics keep getting stickied and un-stickied, and so it might be difficult to constantly check every forum if stickies have changed. Also, it's quite easy to find the stickies. Because stickies are always shown at the top of list of topics in a forum, it would probably be just as easy to look at the forum.
BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 17:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@BrilliantGamer6It may not be super necessary but I feel like it would be good - I often forget which forum stickies are in and it would be nice to have a list to check. I also don't feel like they change very often - especially with active forumers as wiki editors, I don't see updates being an issue.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 23:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@han614698 This would double down as a history of stickies via the revision history. Sounds useful.
mybearworld • Talk • Contributions • Profile 09:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

If no one has any major objections I will create the article on August 21^st.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 14:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Some things came up in my life so I won't be creating it until later today. Sorry!
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 15:20, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Getting used to scratch wiki

Resolved (since 12:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

Can you answer a question? do you have to code in the scratch wiki and how do you?
-unsigned comment by Memes codes (talk | contribs)

@Memes codes No, you don't code in the Scratch Wiki, you mainly edit pages. You edit an article by clicking the pencil icon on the header and selecting "Edit" or "Edit source". See the welcome page for more detail.

(Also, remember to sign your posts when posting on a talk page by using four tildes (~~~~))
BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 23:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday 55

WOW! A lot of thanks this month! Keep up the good work, guys.

User	Thanks
Mrsrec (talk | contribs)	Thank you for taking up the responsibilty of Thankful Thursday! Vdiu | Talk | Contributions | Scratch Profile 10:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC) Thanks for always being willing to help on and off the wiki! han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 14:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC) Thanks for starting this project. I truly believe that this might be one of the best things ever created on the wiki and I'm happy to show off other's contributions. After all, we're all just trying to make a user-friendly safe haven for tutorials and info. Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 19:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
jvvg (talk | contribs)	Thanks for being an admin on the wiki and always helping to make sure everything goes right! han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 14:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Zydrolic (talk | contribs)	How can a user be thanked when they haven't made a single edit? As @Mrsrec has stated beforehand, it's quite unconventional to thank someone who doesn't have a Wiki account, or is unregistered. But anyone can help on the wiki, even someone unregistered. We have a portal where wiki editors and readers can converse about the wiki. But this topic comes with a mild curse. With this portal being an endorsed, stickied topic, large amounts of spam floods the topic. People post random crap there. It's a chaotic sight. That makes every contribution from a reader even more special. And Zy has contributed SO MUCH to the wiki, without making a single edit. They kept eyes on pages, watched for changes, tracked errors, just like an editor would. That level of dedication is telling that all any of us, editors and helpers, just want to make the wiki a better place. And that doesn't require a single edit. So, thank you. Truly, thank you. Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 14:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
JSO (talk | contribs)	I know it may seem weird at first to thank someone who hasn't made an edit since 2017, but this person helped create the Scratch Wiki to be what it is now. And, I understand this was also done with two other people, but this person has the latest edits of the three (not including automated edits), showing that they made the wiki as it is, and then continued to help in it for more years, even still staying on Scratch. So, just thank you for creating, and also continuing for more years, to create and help build an amazing wiki, which eventually became what it is now. BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 02:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Mrgame2012 (talk | contribs)	I'd like to give a thank you and an apology. First off, thanks for fixing all of the errors on the domain article - all those tiny changes add up. Second, I'm sorry to you and allow of our fellow wikians for messing up that article so badly - it may have been decent changes but they were poorly executed (and I had drafted that article to be very different, as the current state was supposed to be temporary, but it never got off the ground). Thanks for your hard work and sorry for the problem. han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 03:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

See you in September!
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 21:50, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Wow that's a big Thankful Thursday. Such a massive one, like honestly... WOW.

Jokes aside, thanks to everyone who participated. This might be a record for number of words in a TT.
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 11:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

user pages

Resolved (since 12:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

so i have a question. it might seem dumb but there's no such thing as a dumb question. see kenny2scratch's userspace for example, and notice the monospace font. how do you do that on your own userpage?
A-MARIO-PLAYER (talk | contribs) 17:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

(sorry if this is the wrong place to ask)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER <span style="font-family:Courier New, monospace">text</span> produces text
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 18:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Gdxfor yes, i know, but is there a way do do it without span tags? and what about more obscure customizations such as little nav popups at the corner, such as han614698's page?
A-MARIO-PLAYER (talk | contribs) 18:58, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER There's no way to change the font without a <span> tag as far as I'm aware (you can also use <div> but that's basically the same thing). As for the navbar, a very basic one is done with:

<div class="mw-collapsible" id="mw-customcollapsible-sidebar" style="background:#fff;color:#000;position:fixed;left:0px;bottom:0px;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:0px 7.5px 7.5px 0px">
<div style="text-align:center;font-size:140%">hi</div>
</div>

Moreover, you can always look at a userpage's source code in order to see how they're achieving something specific (just make sure to not accidentally submit anything you change). If you see something in curly brackets that starts with a slash (like in User:Kenny2scratch), that means that the page is using a template located at that name (for example, the {{/Header}} used in the User:Kenny2scratch means that the page uses the template at User:Kenny2scratch/Header).
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 02:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Server Fault ***Not 503/8***

idk Where to log server faults anymore, so I wanted to report this rather unusual one. Details:

• 05 Sept 2024
  • 7:25 PM CST
• This error.
• Worked upon reload

Anyone know the cause?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 00:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@han614698 This also happened to me a few times. When this happens, the page title just says "MediaWiki", which means it could be an error with MediaWiki. I'm not entirely sure though.
BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 02:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@han614698, BrilliantGamer6 This happens quite often to me, and at seemingly random times. The backtrace in the screenshot isn't very useful as far as I can tell, just saying that there's a connection error.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 13:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Scratchwikiskin

Resolved (since 12:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

Wiki skin is literally crowded.

The search bar is only wide enough to show the icon, at least under my username.

If anyone has a css snippet to fix this it would help.

A-MARIO-PLAYER (talk | contribs) 06:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC) (Pulled this from the community portal topic)

Major Image Recategorizing

Resolved (since 12:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

Hi everyone,

Consistency is a big thing that bothers me, and when looking at images on the wiki it bothers me.

Their are many images in mainspace that aren't used (nor ever have been) or categorized wrong.

Currently, their are 3 website image categories - 1.4 Images, 2.0 Images, and 3.0 Images.

I'd like to name them Historic/Archive Images, Scratchr2 Images and scratch-www images. Misconception - Scratch 2.0 categorized images are currently NOT from 2.0 - just from 2.0 styled pages.

Anyway, I'd like to do the daunting task of re categorizing a ton of images. However I want to get a community consensus to make sure people are okay with me changing a ton of categories and images. I won't get in to everything I'd change, because that would be insanely long. But basically just renaming some categories and moving some things between some. Please share your thoughts.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 22:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

yes that sounds awesome
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 12:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

This does sound more accurate, however those terms might be slightly confusing. Content on the Wiki should be able to be understood by lots of Scratchers, and those terms sound either ambiguous/not clear enough or just jargonistic. Maybe the pages for the categories could give more information about what images are really in the category.
BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 14:32, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

If there are no negative opinions by Sunday, the 15^th I will go forward with this.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 01:55, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Alright I am starting this, may be messy for a bit.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 01:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Over 100 edits tonight... not done yet. Messy for now.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 03:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Are these images still being updated? I don't want to sound like I was ignored or my opinion needs to be heard, but it seems like nobody else replied to this topic, which means I am still slightly unsure and/or confused about this. Although, I don't know if it's necessary to elaborate any further or ask for further discussion, since this has already been/is being done.

(Also, was I supposed to outdent here?)
BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 01:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@BrilliantGamer6 Did you have an issue with some of these things? If you did, obviously we should discuss but I was not aware of any issues. This is mostly just changing categories to make more sense.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 11:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

show me the differences between the versions no longer work

Resolved (since 14:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC))

Hello to the English-speaking administrators. There has been a problem in the German DACH wiki for a while. The links that are supposed to show me the differences between the versions no longer work. The following error message always appears:

Hallo an die englischsprachigen Administratoren. Seit einer Weile gibt es im deutschen DACH-Wiki ein Problem. Die Links die mir die Unterschiede zwischen den Versionen anzeigen sollen funktionieren nicht mehr. Es kommt hierbei immer die folgende Fehlermeldung:

Not Found The requested URL was not found on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Even as an administrator, I am unable to see more than the current version of an article. This makes it almost impossible for me to properly assess changes. I usually take a close look at every change made by users.

Selbst mir als Administrator ist es so nicht möglich mehr als die aktuelle Version eines Artikels zu sehen. Das macht es für mich nahezu unmöglich Änderungen richtig einzuschätzen. Normalerweise sehe ich mir jede getätigte Änderung der Benutzer genau an.

Since the problem has been around for a while, I'm wondering if you are perhaps familiar with this problem? The error does not seem to occur in your EN wiki. Could it be that some changes were made to the WIKI and the German WIKI was simply forgotten when fixing the problem?

Da das Problem schon eine ganze Weile besteht frage ich mich ob euch dieses Problem vielleicht bekannt ist? Bei Euch im EN-Wiki scheint der Fehler nicht aufzutreten. Kann das sein das irgendwelche Änderungen am WIKI vorgenommen wurden und das deutsche WIKI bei der Fehlerbehebung einfach vergessen wurde?

It would be very nice if someone would answer me on the German community portal:

Es wäre sehr nett wenn mir da jemand im deutschen Gemeinschaftsportal antworten würde:

de:Scratch-Wiki_Diskussion:Gemeinschafts-Portal#show_me_the_differences_between_the_versions_no_longer_work

Thanks / Danke
Lichtrebell (talk | contribs) 06:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Lichtrebell I don't have access to the German Wiki, so I'm going to post here. The diff button's functionality has been temporarily removed for non-editors as a website stability measure. If you're an editor and the diff button still doesn't work, you should probably contact @jvvg.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 12:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

No Problem i have read it here. Thank you for your quick answer. I am not a normal editor. I have the status of an administrator. Normal editors have the Problem too. OK, i try to contact jvvg. I will give him the link to this. Sorry witout translater i fear my english is very badly.
Lichtrebell (talk | contribs) 13:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Lichtrebell It should be fixed now. They still are only available for logged-in users.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

just here to fix the ping
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 15:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you jvvg very much. Now it works and i can reed it all. But i have testing this. I am log out the wiki and it is the same. I can see all the pages who swow the differences. I think this is not what you want.
Lichtrebell (talk | contribs) 02:26, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Since when and why are diffs and history not available when signed out?

Resolved (since 12:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

It’s very very frustrating, because I check RC on a device that is very challenging to sign in on. It takes upwards of 10 minutes and lots of cellular data sometimes due to cookie issues and some other complicated stuff. I only log in on a different device if they’re something to do - something I’d like to know about by checking diffs. Why the change and what would it take (from the community) to get this reversed?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 20:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

I've asked @jvvg this before, and the answer to why is here. As for how to fix this, I have no idea and he should be the one to answer that.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 01:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@han614698 The link in the previous message explains the reason. There isn't really anything the community can do to help fix this, unfortunately. This is really only something that can be done with internal engineering work.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@jvvg Okay, thanks for your response. My first guess was for safety reasons, in which case I thought a community vote could help. I understand.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 02:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@jvvg The diff button now works even when logged out, is this intentional?
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 11:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

@Gdxfor Yes, it is. I added a bit of logic to distinguish legitimate traffic from bot traffic. It's not perfect but it's an improvement from before. I didn't publicly announce it at the time (it's been in place for about two weeks now) since I wanted to see the impact on traffic first.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:06, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

A bit of a problem with Internal Links.

Resolved (since 12:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

Hey Wiki-wizards! So i have a bit of a problem. I was trying to design a custom wiki signature, and i tried adding a link to my talk page, but when i used the same method i did for the link to my userpage, it looked...very off, it had the number 1 in square brackets and the lil external link icon. I tried making it into an internal link, but that also did`nt work. Even tho the method i used for linking my userpage worked perfectly fine. So im thinking about using the internal link code in the help section for editing pages n`stuff, but thats also kinda confusing, cuz idk what to put in the "Page Title" section- Sooo yeah, good job if you read through my rambling, and thanks in advance for putting up with my newcomer sillyness :P
Iam_monki (talk | contribs) 15:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

OMG IM STOOPID- so i got it fixed, and turns out the userpage code i used DID WORK, i guess i just did it wrong-
Iam_monki (talk | contribs) 16:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Editing a Scratch Project's JSON code.

Resolved (since 15:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC))

Hey everyone! Recently, I’ve been having fun experimenting with Scratch by modifying the project.json file to create custom blocks and other unique features. However, I realized this process can be quite time-consuming and difficult on certain devices. To make things easier, I’ve developed an online SB3 file editor, allowing you to edit your Scratch project files directly in the browser!

At the moment, I’m hosting it on PlayCode as I work towards getting my own domain. To use it, just click "Skip Intro" on the PlayCode page, upload your .sb3 file, and you can start editing right away!

https://sb3editor.playcode.io
-unsigned comment by PaSc_Clan (talk | contribs)

@PaSc_Clan — What does this have to do with the wiki? This topic is only for wiki discussion. Also, please remember to sign your posts with ~~~~.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 01:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday #56

Here are the thanks for this month.

User	Thanks
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs)	Thanks for commiting to the Wiki, and never giving up! Jmdzti_0-0 ( talk|Scratch profile|contribs (391) ) 15:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Jvvg (talk | contribs)	Thanks for always ensuring a consistent influx of new users, so that the wiki can always have people active on it. Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 16:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Lastly, thank you all for not calling me out on the fact that today is not Thursday. For some reason I thought Thankful Thursday took place on a Friday and had been looking at a Friday all month. Oops! I will get it right next month.
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 16:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thankful Friday? Never expected that
[ File:GreenFlag-PFP.pngA-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Contribs ] 18:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

When the friday thursday and the week weekend:

All jokes aside, thanks for letting me thank!
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 19:57, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Signautre

Resolved (since 12:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

Hello, is my signature valid? I heard it could break pages if it isn't.
❯❯ | ᵍ ˡ ᶦ ᵗ ᶜ X | 💬 Talk | 📝 Contribs ❯❯
22:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

There's no such thing as </br> lol
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 19:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Co0lcr34t10ns alr.
❯❯ | ᵍ ˡ ᶦ ᵗ ᶜ X | 💬 Talk | 📝 Contribs ❯❯
23:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Visual Editor Issues

Hi, I noticed this in the visual editor. Amy chance this could be fixed? Like this, its hard to read the notices on a page.
GvYoutube (talk | contribs) 13:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@GvYoutube Can you give an example of a page which displays warnings?
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 15:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

The page in the image (Get Energy Units) Is an example.

GvYoutube (talk | contribs) 15:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Requesting to make a template.

Resolved (since 18:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC))

I would lie to make a welcome template for newer users (like the thers who greets them!) May i do this?
GvYoutube (talk | contribs) 18:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

There already is {{welcome}}.
However, if you mean a custom one, you can make a sub-page of your profile, no permission needed. User:GvYoutube/welcome, for example!

Jmdzti_0-0 ( talk|Scratch profile|contribs (391) ) 16:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Jmdzti_0-0 How would i use it on ones talk page?

GvYoutube (talk | contribs) 13:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

@GvYoutube apologies for the late response but just use {{User:GvYoutube/welcome}} ~~~~ in a new section.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 15:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER If I understand this correctly...

I make the template, link it via template tags and it works?
GvYoutube (talk | contribs) 14:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Test! I finished it!

when green flag clicked
say [Welcome]
say [to the...]
broadcast [Scratch Wiki! v]
when i receive [Scratch Wiki! v]
say [The Scratch Wiki is a place of info about Scratch!]
say [Anyone can edit it!]

Get started by making your user page, or click here for the Welcome tutorial, Community Portal!

The reason it says "tutorial, Community Portal!" is due to the tag: {{ROOTPAGENAME}}. It essentailly gets the original page name. For example, if i posted this on Test1's talk page, the root name is Test1.
GvYoutube (talk | contribs) 14:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Block article titles has (seemingly) unnecessary disambiguators

Have I ever seen anyone talk about the titles of articles about blocks?

So, every article about an individual block is suffixed by (block) in their title. This might be in handy at first glance, until people start to think it's unnecessary. Why do we need such a disambiguator for a block's article title to stop conflicts even if a topic of the same name to that block is very unlikely? Especially the ones with inputs. Who is concerned that someone is going to create a page at set language to ()?

I say, this should be a practice that we should have abandoned by now. This is redundant for multiple reasons.

1. It takes time to type up the title of a new article about a block that hasn't been documented yet.
2. It potentially requires more redirects like Clear Sound Effects to Clear Sound Effects (block), which is exhausting on the servers and maintenance.

Maybe you should already think that's enough reasons. Well, seriously, can anyone tell me why is there a reason to name articles like that and should we consider changing that?
JustThatSpecificUser (talk | contribs) 07:41, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@JustThatSpecificUser I'll start this myself when plenty of editors say they're fine with it, see #Large Page Moving
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 12:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Should dates link to that year's section in Scratch Timeline or whatever?

I've seen this, and it just doesn't feel quite right. Should we make dates link to that? Should we not?

Thanks for clearing this up.
50_scratch_tabs (talk | contribs) 02:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Can you explain what dates you are referring to? Do you mean all dates in wiki articles linking to the year in Scratch Timeline or something else?
Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs) 14:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I've seen articles like, "It was released to the public on July 20th, 2017" and 2017 is a link to Scratch Timeline article. BTW that was just an example.
50_scratch_tabs (talk | contribs) 04:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Would it be appropriate to create an article about today's DoS attack?

Resolved (since 12:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

I asked jvvg on his profile and he said to ask here. What do y'all think?
-unsigned comment by 50_scratch_tabs (talk | contribs)

There is already a page at 2024-10-28 Outage, it was created before you asked.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs) 21:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Oops, I couldn't find that. Thanks for pointing that out!
50_scratch_tabs (talk | contribs) 01:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday 57

Hello everyone. Welcome to a very spooky Thankful Thursday!

User	Thanks
A-MARIO-PLAYER (talk | contribs)	Thanks for having a long stream of frequent activity. If the atmosphere feels dead then nobody wants to edit-- and you bring atmosphere to the wiki, so that's important, you are helping keep it alive! Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 15:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
50_scratch_tabs (talk | contribs)	Thanks for jumping in and doing your best to improve pages. You are new to the wiki but have already helped improve multiple pages. New editors are great and very important because nobody can edit forever so when old editors leave there have to be new ones to replace them, and that's you! Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 15:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Mrsrec (talk | contribs)	Thanks forrrrrrrrrrrrrvgdtphsd.e0r229ba9c8..YOUR SOUL..@@@@@@@@@@dy can edit forever so when ollllllllllllllllllllllllll+++++...!!(((###****}}}}}}||||''''''s you! kaj (talk | contribs) 15:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

See you in a month!
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 15:40, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Why does the last thanks look like the person was drunk texting fell asleep on the keyboard?

Jmdzti_0-0 ( talk|Scratch profile|contribs (391) ) 09:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Custom Signature

Resolved (since 18:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC))

How do i make my custom signature in one line, with the time and signature in the same one.

❯❯ | ᵍ ˡ ᶦ ᵗ ᶜ X | 💬 Talk | 📝 Contribs ❯❯ 03:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@glitcX: Get rid of the <br> and </br> at the beginning and end respectively of your signature.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@jvvj Thanks!

❯❯ | ᵍ ˡ ᶦ ᵗ ᶜ X | 💬 Talk | 📝 Contribs ❯❯ 15:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Possible Logic Typo

Resolved (since 18:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC))

According to @jvvg, you are supposed to be unable to view diff pages when logged out but be able to view them when logged in. For me, it seems to be the exact opposite - you can view diff pages when logged out, but not when you're logged in. Was this a mistake?
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 18:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER: I have not received any reports of being unable to view diffs while logged in, and I am able to view them myself.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@jvvg On my phone, I cannot view diffs when logged in (nor when I'm logged out). On my computer, I can view them only when logged in, I think.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 18:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER I have made an update that should allow non-logged-in users to view diffs. You just have to click a few buttons.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Picture Size is Wrong

I have no clue anything about image display on pages. How do I make the image here smaller. Like a lot smaller. Thanks!
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 19:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@han614698: Help:Images to the rescue! You can do this: [[File:Image.png|100px]] to specify the size.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@jvvg If you look, that's what I have. It doesn't seem to work, though.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 19:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@han614698 I’ve got size changing to work correctly by using the thumb keyword rather than frame. I’m not sure if frame does anything specific; if it does, reply with what you want the image to do specifically.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 11:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gdxfor Honestly doesn’t matter to me - I only changed the image because the old one was a duplicate and poor quality and was being deleted. I just left frame because it was already there when I started, and I don’t know enough about the system to change things. All I want is for the page to be satisfactory.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 16:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Large Page Moving

Resolved (since 19:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC))

I am planning to move a bunch of pages related to blocks for reasons in #Block article titles has (seemingly) unnecessary disambiguators.

• All pages with (Category block) disambiguation will stay like that.
• All other pages about blocks will be moved, and the (block) part will be removed.

Does anyone agree with this?
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 00:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I am OK with it. Would this apply to just blocks, or also other unnecessary disambiguation like Advanced Topics (forum)? Also, would it also be a good idea to remove the unnecessary Title Case capitalization that most other wikis don't use?
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 04:25, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER, Mrsrec I was initially against changing title casing, but after checking I realized that literally not a single wiki that I use uses title casing, so I think we should drop title casing. As for the two original proposals, I think that they are both fair changes.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 08:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Seems like there's plenty of support, but i'm waiting for jvvg or some other EW
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 12:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't call only two people plenty, especially for a really large change like this. There's no real hurry; I think it's fine to leave the discussion around for a bit. Especially when some of these pages are 14 years old, no harm in waiting a month or so.
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 13:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER Generally I don't leave my opinion unless I have something to say or an objection, but since apparently we're counting votes here I'll say I support this as long as we leave them as redirects.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 22:45, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER I am with you on this. Please leave any ones that are actually ambiguous with the (block).
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 13:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘We've got 5 people to agree, and since I don't expect anyone else to contribute to this conversation, I think this is enough. I'm gonna ping @jvvg and the page move can happen if he agrees.

Also, for any future contributors to the conversation, please give two separate opinions on removing title casing and block disambiguation.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 16:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't have any objections, and the community support is there.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@jvvg Apparently I can't do the move because the target titles already exist as redirects to (block). Please delete all pages without (block) if you can so I can move the pages.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 17:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind, I'm moving the redirects to my userspace to make space for the move. Anyways this can be resolved now.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 14:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER Hey, wasn't there also consensus to remove the title casing? It kind of sucks that all the pages were moved just to move them again. But let's confirm this as a community before marking it as resolved. Also, this also applies to the forum pages, not just the block pages, right?
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 16:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

@Mrsrec I want title casing to be fixed as well, but I didn't know whether everyone only wanted the (block) thing to be fixed or if everyone agreed on title casing as well. I've mad a new topic here to discuss this.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 19:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘All of the articles with an extra "(block)" have been removed! (There's still more work to be done though).
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 18:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

More info on Scratch 4.0

We should get more information on Scratch 4.0.
BabyBellaBoor (talk | contribs) 21:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

We could get more info on 4.0, but the current official information on it is currently scarce, so we can't add anything else until another official source comes out.
ninjahanzo ( Talk | Contribs | Scratch ) 16:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

There is next to no official information out there. The Wiki is not a place for speculation or "leaks", we should only include officially confirmed information.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Image

Resolved (since 00:53, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

I just want to know how to add images onto pages since I'm finding it difficult.
Fredston123 (talk | contribs) 17:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Fredston123 We explain how at Help:Images.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Forum closed????

Resolved (since 18:36, 13 December 2024 (UTC))

Hi, I noticed that the CP on the fourms isnt letting me post a reply, why is that? Is it closed?

:(

GvYoutube (talk | contribs) 18:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@GvYoutube: It's open for me and there was a post in it recently. I don't know if it was momentarily closed or if you got logged out on the main site.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@jvvg It's working now. I was logged in and it wasn't a scratch bug, no matter how much i reopend the page it was closed.

GvYoutube (talk | contribs) 21:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@jvvg, GvYoutube — It looks like it was temporarily closed either by accident or because of insistent spam. It was only for about 30 minutes, and should be open now.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 00:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Is there enough to say and enough impact from the /abouta bug to create an article about it?

Resolved (since 12:01, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

The Scratch Bugs article has a section on the abouta signout bug, but I feel like it could be elaborated on and given its own article, especially with the Tinypic bug.
50_scratch_tabs (talk | contribs) 21:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I can agree. I think it's a very important bug caused specifically by tinypic.
-unsigned comment by Han614698 (talk | contribs)

I don't think it's impactful enough to merit its own article, but it may merit a mention in Scratch Bugs.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree, just like most how Scratch Trends do not have thier own separate articles, they are not important or to warrant their own article. Also, if they had their own article it would be so short because there is just not enough stuff to write about.
Ideapad-320 | Talk | Contribs | Scratch 19:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Template Request

I want to create a template that is a shortcut for AF templates. Could I create this? It's mainly for people like me who keep forgetting to type in the Template prefix.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 15:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

You need permission to make templates in the Template: space. You probably can't, so you need to make one on your userpage. Unsure though
ninjahanzo ( Talk | Contribs | Scratch ) 18:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

BBCode on the Wiki

Resolved (since 19:38, 13 December 2024 (UTC))

Is there a way to use BBCode on the wiki instead of wikitext?

❯❯ | ᵍ ˡ ᶦ ᵗ ᶜ X | 💬 Talk | 📝 Contribs ❯❯ 18:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

@glitcX: No.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Should Scratch 4.0 be redirected?

Resolved (since 19:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC))

I noticed that someone removed the redirect and people had polarizing opinions on this article on external sites, so thought I'd bring it up here to try and get some kind of official consensus regarding the article.

While I enjoyed working on the Scratch 4.0 article, I think it's best if it gets redirected for now, at least until there's literally any kind of additional information on it. The entire article's main source is a single sentence from something that, apparently, we can't even link directly to, so we have to use a screenshot in a project instead, which isn't a very good source in my opinion. This one sentence barely says anything, and yet the article effectively tries to stretch this one vague sentence into an entire article. Additionally, this update might not even be 4.0, for all we know. As cheddargirl stated, "It's just an anticipated number change. But if ends up being a new feature built on top of 3.0 and not a change to 3.0, then it's still part of the 3.0 family."

I think it's a good idea to just redirect the article to Misconceptions for now, but there might be some other course of action for the article that's better. What do you guys think?
Minikiwigeek2 (talk | contribs) 00:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

No, simpily no, but will exist in the future
BabyBellaBoor (talk | contribs) 21:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Prior to the job listing, we had it redirected to the misconception. Not all that much has changed, but there is a lot more incorrect thinking and speculation, and people may be coming to the Wiki to get more information, and redirecting to the misconception is probably the best way to clear it up.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

That's another thing I missed when writing my reasons, I think keeping this article up is doing far more harm than good. Since nobody else has really commented here and it's been a few days, I think I'm gonna take action and just redirect the article if nobody here says that it needs to stay up (and provides a really good reason why it needs to stay) within the next few days.
Minikiwigeek2 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

It's been two weeks since this discussion began, and there haven't been any other objections to keeping the article up. From the conversations I've seen/had with wiki editors outside of this discussion, redirecting the article to Misconceptions seems to be the best option for the article. I'm gonna go ahead and take action now.
Minikiwigeek2 (talk | contribs) 03:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Im quting scratch
BabyBellaBoor (talk | contribs) 17:28, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@BabyBellaBoor And what does that have to do with this conversation?
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 19:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday 58

Happy Thankful Thursday, everyone. This is a very special thankful Thursday, as it just so happens to fall right on Thanksgiving.

User	Thanks
Gdxfor (talk | contribs)	Cleaning up formatting across the wiki Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 13:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Turkey3 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for giving thanks in a Thanksgiving — with kind regards from a turkey dinner in Turkey!  ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

See you in a month, and happy Thankful Thursday!
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 23:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Bring back 4.0

Resolved (since 12:08, 14 December 2024 (UTC))

If you don't i will quit scratch entirely, jokes aside, we should make this a page and NOT a redirect because making this a page is great..
BabyBellaBoor (talk | contribs) 17:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

In your opinion, why do you think it should stay? With all due respect, you haven't given any real reasons why keeping the article up is a good idea other than "no, don't redirect it".
minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions ⁽²³⁵⁾, scratch) 17:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

There is more then 1 sentence of info, there is a project, a comment (twice) and more
BabyBellaBoor (talk | contribs) 20:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

All of those sources have currently not enough information to give a non-stub page. Current information is scarce and possibly private.
ninjahanzo ( Talk | Contribs | Scratch ) 03:57, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Template Request/Idea

I have a template idea that I think might help with subpages. Here's a example I made up from my userpage:

This page is a subpage OR subpage list. Information may be false or dosent quite link to the original page, Community Portal.

GvYoutube (talk | contribs) 23:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@GvYoutube I think this is unnecessary since we already have the breadcrumbs at the top of the page, which clearly indicate it's a subpage
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 17:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER Those are document subopage templates. Im talking like, a subpage thats linked up to info, or a subpage list.
GvYoutube (talk | contribs) 17:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@GvYoutube Stil unnecessary, those pages are almost always related to the root page. Also the software automatically shows breadcrumbs at the top of subpages, which further makes this template pointless.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 08:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Should we add "The Scratch Wiki is not a place for tomfoolery" to the guidelines?

see User talk:MillionOfficial#The Scratch Wiki is not a place for tomfoolery

And I believe most other blocks are for stuff that falls under "tomfoolery" (vandalism, creating joke pages outside of AF or userspace, userspace rules, etc)
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 21:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I think to a large extent this is covered under "The Scratch Wiki is not... Yours" and "The Scratch Wiki is... A professional encyclopedia for all things Scratch, A collaborative effort". It should ideally be obvious that the Wiki is not a place for tomfoolery, and those pretty clearly convey that in my opinion. The more we add to the guidelines, the less likely people are to read any of it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree with these points. The phrase "the Scratch Wiki is not a place for tomfoolery" is effectively implied through the other guidelines, especially "The Scratch Wiki is a professional encyclopedia". I think it'd be best to not add this to the guidelines unless there's an overwhelming majority of people who need more specific clarification on the rules.
minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions ⁽²³⁵⁾, scratch) 16:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Remove title casing

The subject of removing title casing was previously discussed here, but it was unclear whether everyone agreed or not. Thus, I have made a new topic for it.

@jvvg, A-MARIO-PLAYER, han614698, Co0lcr34t10ns, please state whether you would also like title casing to be removed as well, even if you have nothing to add; your opinion is much appreciated. If you are unsure about changing title casing, keep in mind that Wikipedia, the Minecraft Wiki, the Mario Wiki, and basically all Wikis that I could find don't use title casing. There are only two wikis which I could find that do title casing, and both of them are done automatically through software. Also keep in mind that title casing affects searching, so every time you type something in the search bar with incorrect title casing, you have to click on one more link, which gets pretty annoying.

I'm also unsure if title casing should be removed from block names. It seems like a reasonable suggestion, but I'll let everyone else voice their opinion on it.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 19:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

 Support. We're not 2001 wikipedia.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 20:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty ambivalent on the idea myself. The most important thing is we pick a style and it's consistently applied. The one thing is that we should retain title casing in the case where the original title provided by the Scratch Team is in title case, such as the names of some of the forums like Advanced Topics.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

ack god who woke me up oh yeah i'm in discuss invites uh hi I agree with @jvvg here as the change is so minor that it wouldn't make much of a difference and requires a lot of effort but it is a rework of an absolutely pointless feature. Part of me is worried that such a massive edit will destroy recent changes in cold blood but I can't be sure
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 01:09, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gdxfor — Can you give an example? Does this mean that "Scratch Team" would become "Scratch team"? If so, I am not okay with that.
I think that block name titles should reflect their block name in Scratch, and I agree that "(block)" should be removed, but it appears it currently is in the process of that.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 02:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@han614698 The Scratch Team is a proper name, so it wouldn't be lowercased. I mean something like List of Commonly Suggested Ideas → List of commonly suggested ideas. Now that I think about it more though, I agree with @Co0lcr34t10ns that it does seem like something that wouldn't be really worth it for the time investment it would take. Unlike removing "(block)", renaming everything to use title casing would break every link since there are basically no redirects put in place for this kind of stuff.

My biggest reason for wanting to change title casing was because looking up the title of articles is a huge pain (since search is case sensitive), although honestly, implementing a better search engine like the one Wikipedia has would be better. If someone is willing to make a bot that goes through every link and fixes title casing, that would be great, but as of right now I don't really see a benefit anymore.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 02:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘@Gdxfor — Then I do  Not support. I think that Title Case is better for titles, and over all makes it look better. This would be a ton of work and break virtually every link on the wiki as stated - and even if they were redirects, we don't link to redirects from pages.
I think that fixing the search should be the priority here. The only articles that I don't think should be title cased would be sentences for the FAQ, like, "How do I delete my account?".
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 16:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

@han614698 I don't think it would break links. It would actually make linking easier, since links would be the way you use them. For example, right now, you can't do Scratch is a [[programming language]] since programming language doesn't exist. Instead, it has to be Scratch is a [[Programming Language|programming language]]. Of course, this wouldn't apply to something like Scratch Design Studio where it's capitalized always already. This is just proposing that things be capitalized the way that you use them-- or what they're called from inside Scratch. Sometimes, not knowing how something is capitalized can make it harder to find. For example, the "ask () and wait" block. It's called "ask () and wait" in Scratch, but ask () and wait doesn't exist. But worse yet, Ask () And Wait also doesn't exist. Only Ask () and Wait exists. There's no need to capitalize something in a different way than how it's going to be used.
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 12:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

 Support. Though it might some initial work to get everything moved, I think it'd be beneficial in the long run. I find it really weird that "List of Misconceptions about Scratch" is in title case, when virtually every other wiki that I can think of would title the article in lowercase (List of misconceptions about Scratch). Plus it's just kind of a pain to have to capitalize every word when using the search bar, since the search (annoyingly) doesn't accept results that aren't exact. And as mrsrec stated, links would be much easier to write going forward.
minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions ⁽²³⁵⁾, scratch) 15:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Mrsrec, Gdxfor I still do  Not support. It doesn’t really matter to me my how other wikis do it; it, in my opinion, will be weird to see an article title at the top of the page lowercased. “List of Misconceptions about Scratch” will look weird as “List of misconceptions about Scratch”. They are titles. You title case titles.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 21:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I've thought about it and  I'm not feeling this idea. Mainly it's because I agree with @Gdxfor. I don't think it's quite necessary to murder recent changes like that. It's a lot of effort for really no reason. Although aren't links case-insensitive?
Co0lcr34t10ns (talk | contribs) 18:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

@Co0lcr34t10ns  No, they are not case-insensitive. I do agree with changing capitalisation but I also hear the concerns of brutally murdering RC and also the workload of patrolling. I'm honestly not sure how many unpatrolled edits there are, there are certainly a lot, but I feel that many of the (alive) EWs and upwards have real lives that take precedence over the wiki as it is.

banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,485))

14:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I also  Don't support. Title casing looks more professional and grammatical, and what would happen to the capitalization part of the editing conventions page, would that be removed entirely? Also, about the Wikipedia thing, the guidelines say that suggestions should not be made only because they exist on Wikipedia, so are there any other reasons that this should be implemented?
BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 15:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@BrilliantGamer6 There are reasons to implement this change, like for ease for searching. I talked to jvvg as to how easy it would be to implement a better search to the wiki (see the full conversation here), and it sounds to me as though it wouldn't be the easiest thing in the world to implement. As of right now, there are enough people who don't like title casing (even for purely for aesthetic reasons) that I don't think we should drop title casing.

Unless someone wants to bring up some new points,  Title casing will persist for naming articles on the wiki.
Gdxfor (talk | contribs) 18:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

My Signature Doesn't Indent?

How come my signature doesn't indent?

❯❯ | ᵍ ˡ ᶦ ᵗ ᶜ X | 💬 Talk | 📝 Contribs ❯❯ 22:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

The following is a test - I will edit in my actual signature in one moment.
Ok - I've tested it, and I will look into it.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 02:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@glitcX — according to my tests, nothing should be wrong. What exactly is typed in the text box in Special:Preferences? Put it between <code> and <nowiki> tags.
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 02:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@han614698 —{{SUBST:User:GlitcX/sig}}

❯❯ | ᵍ ˡ ᶦ ᵗ ᶜ X | 💬 Talk | 📝 Contribs ❯❯ 19:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday 59 (question)

Is there going to be one, is it weekly, or monthly, or something else? Also, is @Mrsrec the only editor who can make them

❯❯ | ᵍ ˡ ᶦ ᵗ ᶜ X | 💬 Talk | 📝 Contribs ❯❯ 19:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@glitcX @Mrsrec is the one that usually does it, but I believe any editor is allowed to post a TT.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 20:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday 59

Welcome to the last Thankful Thursday of 2024! Since mrsrec doesn't seem to be active today I have decided to post this myself.

These are the thanks for December 2024.

User	Thanks
BigNate469 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for contributing constructively to this wiki. Even before you created an account, you still contributed a lot to the wiki, without making a single edit. Now that you're here, you are able to do that yourself. Thanks a lot. A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits(1,114) 17:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

See you next year!
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 20:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, thank you for checking to see if I'm on the ball! I was just logging in to post the TT when I saw you already had! It's good to know I'm not the only one who cares about TT-- makes me feel like the work is going somewhere :) As you said, any editor is allowed to post them, however, when posting them, be sure to also create the archive subpage, and remove the thanks from the main wiki page. I also try to get at least 2 or 3 (which you can write yourself), but it's not super important. So, I guess I'm thankful that TT is meaningful to others.
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 21:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Don't ew+ featured pages

IMO it isn't very fair. Since there's not very many EWs or admins, that means barely anyone is able to contribute to the featured articles. At least Wikian protection would be good. As for someone changing the lead, we could just set up a bot to update the lead when it is changed.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 12:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@A-MARIO-PLAYER: Unfortunately this needs to be done. We need to make sure the article we're choosing to showcase to the public isn't subject to at best well-intentioned edits that cause issues, and at worst intentional vandalism. We try to pick articles that are already complete to feature, but are limited to the content that's actually here. If you make a request to S:CPAR we should get to it pretty quickly. I have that page on my watchlist so I get a notification whenever it's edited.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Happy new year ²₀²₅!

Hope you have a fun time on the Wiki this year!
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 00:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

This is for wiki-related content only.

MillionOfficial | Talk - Contributions

Should I create a "Clicker game" wiki page?

Hello! I'm new to this wiki so I'm not sure, should I create a "Clicker game" wiki page? I have seen a "platformer game" page and a "parallax" page, so I think it should exist. This is what you see if you search "Clicker game" in the wiki Thanks!
BrilliantStar114 (talk | contribs) 18:23, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

There is already a clicker games section of the article for game projects, and that has a main article link to How to Make a Clicker Game. So, if there's already a section of another article explaining them and an article about how to make one with information, it would probably be best to not make it. Though, that's just what I think, so it could be allowed.
BrilliantGamer6 (talk | contribs) 20:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thanks!
BrilliantStar114 (talk | contribs) 19:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

When are cloud variables gonna get fixed?

I am just curious as I think it is quite distruptive.
R4WU (talk | contribs)

@R4WU This page is for Wiki discussion only. If you have any questions about Scratch please leave them in the Questions about Scratch Forum.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 12:31, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Send an Appeal from Scratch Wiki

Resolved (since 23:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC))

Imagine you were banned from the Scratch Wiki and Scratch website. What do you do? Wait? What if the Scratch ban is PERMANENT and you can’t wait? What if Scratch Team takes a while to respond to your appeal?

Scratch Wiki should add an appeal box, like Scratch.

MillionOfficial | Talk - Contributions

@MillionOfficial  No support. TL;DR: Getting unbanned from the Scratch website should require appealing through the Scratch website (scratch.mit.edu) and not through the Scratch Wiki (scratch-wiki.info) because it's not the Scratch Wiki's responsibility, and vice versa for wiki bans.

Assuming I'm interpreting this suggestion correctly (and I may not be - please correct me if I'm misinterpreting this), you're suggesting an appeal box on the Scratch Wiki to have your Scratch website account unbanned from the Scratch website. However, the Scratch Wikis (as in, scratch-wiki.info and its various subdomains) use their own account system that's completely different from the account system on the Scratch website (as in, scratch.mit.edu). For that reason, if you're banned on the Scratch website, the ban does not apply on the wiki (assuming you don't bring the behavior that got you banned from the website over to the wiki).

Additionally, assuming you're also implying that Scratch Wiki admins should be able to take action on Scratch website bans, the admins and EWs of the Scratch Wiki aren't responsible for dealing with Scratch website bans - that's the Scratch Team's job. The Scratch Wiki team has no say in a Scratch website user's account status, just as the Scratch Team aren't responsible for regulating the Scratch Wiki.

I apologize if that was hard to follow - the two account systems are a little confusing to understand!
minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions ⁽²³⁵⁾, scratch) 23:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

@Minikiwigeek2 NO WAY

The appeal box from the Wiki is for unbanning you from the Wiki, while the appeal box from Scratch itself is for unbanning you from Scratch itself. MillionOfficial | Talk - Contributions 23:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@MillionOfficial Apologies for misunderstanding. However, with all due respect, I still  Do not support, because I've done a bit of research and realized that Scratch Wiki bans already have an appeal system that, as far as I can tell, seems to work fine enough. I see no reason why we should modify the appeal system if it seems to work well already. It's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", you know? :)
minikiwigeek2 (talk, contributions ⁽²³⁵⁾, scratch) 20:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

@MillionOfficial Not to mention to implement this, a whole new MediaWiki extension needs to be created. The wiki runs on MediaWiki, and you cannot easily add some random textbox to MediaWiki:Blockedtext (which contains the text to show up on the blocked page).  No support, both for the reason I provided and minikiwigeek2's reason.
A-MARIO-PLAYER | Talk | Edits^(1,114) 22:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

We already have a process for submitting appeals on the Wiki. The information on how to do so is provided on the ban page. We cannot and will not give out details beyond what's already publicly available. We do require that users become unbanned from Scratch before appealing on the Wiki, and may require them submit a comment to verify they're unbanned. If you're banned from Scratch, then our view is that we cannot establish enough trust to let you edit on the Wiki. If you're permanently banned, then odds are you did something pretty bad on Scratch, and not being able to edit the Wiki is one of the consequences. If the Scratch Team is taking a while to respond to the appeal, that's simply tough luck, we need to ensure that you are welcome back in the Scratch community before we allow you back on the Wiki which is an extension of the Scratch community. Other than that, we are not interested in changing our appeals process. Bans are fairly rare (usually a single digit number per year), and adding a more complicated system would be a bunch of work for something we wouldn't actually use much. Therefore I'm marking this as resolved since there isn't anything suggested here that we are going to implement. That being said, I can answer questions if anyone has any.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@jvvg — Does this mean that users who are banned on Scratch are required to stop editing the wiki, even if they have done so productively?
han614698 talk • contribs (2,513) • profile 04:58, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @han614698: No, but it means if they also get banned on the Wiki they cannot get unbanned until getting unbanned on Scratch first. Our policy is that Scratch bans only carry over to the Wiki if the user also behaves badly on the Wiki or causes drama about their ban here. As for what "causing drama" means we prohibit all discussion of Scratch bans, but will almost always give a warning before issuing a ban for that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)