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Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
17:44, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Help:Contents Is missing some help pages

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There are a few help pages which aren't in Help:Contents, for some reason.
We need to fix that.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 14:07, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

+1 It's a contents page, it should have contents to all help pages. If you see a contents page in a book, it tells you where every chapter is.
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 15:29, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 14:34, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
I think some of the articles in the Help namespace actually don't belong in Help:Contents. They should be linked to from other help pages instead.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:51, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Block Lag on Chrome (revived)

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I was scrolling through Encoding and Decoding Cloud Data recently, and I found that scrolling past scratchblocks is soooo laggy. This reminded me of a now archived discussion mentioning this... so now I want to bring it back up.

Does anyone else (besides Turkey3) have issues with this? It seems to specifically be a Chrome issue.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
05:00, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't, It is definitely a chrome issue, I use Firefox and I'm not experiencing any lag on pages. If you can download another workable browser, that's what I'd recommend. If its a Chrome issue, It'll properly not be resolved.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 06:53, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 10:34, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Just as Purplewolves said, it is definitely a Chrome problem. I am using a Chromebook, and scrolling through that page normally lags it, or dragging the little bar at the side. I have found that using the arrow keys doesn't make the computer lag as much. --
Phantomsrule4life (talk | contribs) 00:16, 3 March 2018 (CET)

Suggestion: a dedicated page for requests for admin/EW action; idea: subpages for each topic instead of sections

Please respond to each suggestion in its own subsection.

Dedicated page for requests for admin/EW action

I propose that we create Scratch Wiki:Requests for Privileged Actions (WIP title) - basically, if something needs an admin or EW to handle it, post a message there instead of on one of the admin/EW's talks or on the CP.


  • Makes requests for privileged actions more public and easier for all admins/EWs to see.
  • Clears up clutter on admin/EW talk pages as well as the Community Portal.


  • New page.

Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:34, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Any examples of what would required privileged actions that is not covered by a template (such as {{delete}})?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:47, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
I do agree with this.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 19:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
I agree with KrIsMa — and also, if we don't have a template, we could always create a new one, right? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:04, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
There actually is a template for protection but no-one uses it - they simply post on an admin's talk.
As for other actions, it's true that tagging pages with {{delete}} guarantees that it'll be deleted sooner or later... good point.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:46, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
+1 with K2S:Templates aren't very useful forediting protected pages or deleting logs, and some. I asked an admin to add ja-interwiki to the News, but he didn't.--
Apple502j (talk | contribs) 12:57, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
Support. (PS Apple502j the admins are very busy and can't get to everything on time) I think this page will therefore be a nice addition. How are we going to deal with the templates mentioned then?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 14:33, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
@Apple502j: interwiki is only done by bureaucrats (i.e. Scratch Team members) on this wiki.
@KrIsMa: I think we can just use both - it's always helpful to have multiple points of contact and if the categories for those templates have a large backlog we can post on that page too, instead of here.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:38, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Subpages for each topic

My idea here is: for each new topic, we make a separate subpage. So this topic would not be a topic - it would be Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Dedicated page for privileged action requests; subpages for each topic. Once a discussion is resolved, it will be "closed" by having the page protected. Once it is old enough to be archived, it is archived, by moving the contents to one of the normal archives (which will remain in effect) and either deleting the subpage (might break links) or redirecting it to that section (better).

To summarize the above novel:

  1. A user thinks of something that they want to say to the entire community.
  2. The user creates a subpage of the Community Portal, the title being what would normally be the section title (avoiding slashes).
  3. Other users respond to the topic in that subpage, and a consensus is reached as to how to proceed.
  4. Once the consensus has been implemented, an admin protects the page, preventing further discussion, and thereby closes the topic. Other users can ask (at "requests for privileged action", suggested above, or on an admin's talk) for it to be reopened if they think more discussion is needed.
  5. After a while, any admin can decide that the topic is old enough to be archived (meaning truly locking further discussion and requiring a new topic for revival) and moves the contents of the topic subpage to an archive.

Since a central place for asking questions in general will still be needed, I think, we could create something similar to Wikipedia's "village pump"

  • Organizes discussion immensely - this frees each topic from being in context of another.
  • Requires topics to be more important - it's a waste of space to make a separate page asking "how do you make things bold?".
  • Makes it easier to link to particular CP topics - Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/topic name is a lot less ephemeral of a title than Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal#topic name, and also makes it easier to show which topics don't actually exist.
  • Drastically decreases load time.
  • Increases the number of pages drastically.
  • Makes flipping through topics more difficult - you can't scroll through them, you have to navigate to a separate page for each.

I understand this is quite a momentous suggestion - please post your opinion.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:34, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Personally, I think it is good the way it is. It may make it more complicated for new users then just making a new topic, and is it really needed to protect the page, because further discussion is good sometimes.
Another thing about the request, is that, it just makes the wiki seem more untidy (in my eyes) and would be annoying to get around. Plus: The users would have to make a new sub page for it, then make it into a talk page, Etc. Excuse me if I missed something here.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 19:00, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Another pro would be the shorter load time of the CP :P
But..I'm going to have to go with purplewolves — in my opinion it's easier the way it is
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:08, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
That's true, it would make loading time shorter, but as I said, it would get annoying.
Purplewolves (talk | contribs) 03:59, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
There's a reason I suggested having something similar to Wikipedia's village pump - things that would require easier flipping could be posted there, while momentous things that need separation from each other could go in subpages instead. I know it seems like defeating the purpose of the suggestion, but maybe instead of making a separate page for easy-flipping talk, instead making a separate page for suggestions might work?
Basically, the major point of this is that suggestions need to be distinct and worth suggesting; questions can be simple questions that wouldn't need such distinction.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:46, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
something like that is mentioned in different recent posts + continued at: #A little reorganization of old topics
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:35, 22 February 2018 (CET)

A talk about capitalization of article titles

So here, currently, the convention on article titles is title case. However, this poses two major problems:

  • Linking to articles is less natural, as instead of [[linking like this]] you have to do your [[Linking Like This|linking like this]].
  • Searching for articles is more difficult, since searching up (let's say) "list of controversial topics on Scratch" does not immediately proceed to the page List of Controversial Topics on Scratch - it instead either proceeds to a redirect, or shows a search results page, the first result of which is the correctly capitalized article.

This makes the Wiki's articles less accessible, and makes searching more cumbersome and therefore less effective (though it's one extra step, plenty of people will turn away if they don't immediately get results).

Besides this, some pages (e.g. help pages) don't follow this convention, making it not only cumbersome but inconsistent.

The solution: change the convention to sentence case. Page titles should have only the first word capitalized, except for words that are proper nouns, e.g. "Scratch". In this case, List of Controversial Topics on Scratch would become "List of controversial topics on Scratch".

  • Makes linking more natural and saves some space.
  • Makes searching much quicker.
  • Moving every page that is currently in title case will take quite a while, especially since it can't be done by bots (bots are unable to judge which words are proper nouns).
  • We'll have to make a bunch of redirects, so that old links will still point to the correct pages. However, we have tons of redirects anyway (around 8-10K redirects) so this shouldn't be too big a problem.

This is a rather large suggestion, but I believe it has some merit. Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I think Kenny2scratch is right
This really is a problem we should find a solution for.
the problem is explained and many different solutions are suggested:
Case sensitivity in MediaWiki is both a blessing and a curse. Sometimes case matters, and preserving case allows mediawiki to handle those few cases where case matters. However, the case sensitivity can result into a failed search result. For example, when you are looking for an article BBQ by entering bbq, an untwisted MediaWiki will think that this page (bbq) does not exist and ask you to create a new page.
IMHO following suggestion could be the best, because it results in a non-casesensetive search and so there is no change of capitalisation needed:
Wikimedia solution

One of the solutions used by Wikipedia is to create a separate table for the keys, so if it works cleanly it can be deployed without an expensive rebuild of core tables, and dumped when Wikimedia gets a nicer backend through lucene. For Wikipedia, this is done by installing Extension:TitleKey. It usually can solve most problems related to the case sensitivity during making a search query.

Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
I prefer capitalization as it is now.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 16:52, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
How do you want to solve the problem: "However, the case sensitivity can result into a failed search result." ?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
22:11, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
If we were to move all the pages into sentence case, I have a procedure suggestion:
  1. Add a temporary category to all pages
  2. Move pages and remove the category from them until no pages are left in that category.
That way it would be clear which pages hadn't been moved yet (if a page doesn't need a move, still remove the category).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
My question above was to User:Turkey3 who said: "I prefer capitalization as it is now". I either don't want to mass-change articlenames but I think, a solution, where seaching is no more case-sensitive, helps best and easiest.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
I also prefer the capitalization as it is - there is no need in changing the titles themselves. How long it would take!!
The extension Martin brought up seems like a better idea
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


@KrIsMa: However, that doesn't solve linking - it's still more natural and also much easier to do
there is a [[list of controversial topics on Scratch]] on this wiki
there is a [[List of Controversial Topics on Scratch|list of controversial topics on Scratch]] on this wiki

Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:40, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Makes linking more natural - I would (and others may) rather link unnaturally than have the name change of most wiki pages. I haven't seen others mention/talk about unnatural links yet; I see it as a petty issue.
About the ease of linking in sentence case, is it easier to capitalize more words in a title or un-capitalize ~1000 wiki pages?
  • ...and saves some space - Really? I thought it would be negligible.
  • Makes searching much quicker. - This I agree with. An extension solves this.
  • Besides this, some pages (e.g. help pages) don't follow this convention, making it not only cumbersome but inconsistent - there are more mainspace pages than help pages, etc so I presume there will be more pages that use title case. This would equally bring up the case of changing all sentence-case titles like help pages to title case for consistency - which is a contradiction of what you are suggesting.
  • We'll have to make a bunch of redirects, so that old links will still point to the correct pages. However, we have tons of redirects anyway (around 8-10K redirects) so this shouldn't be too big a problem. - we removed capitalization redirects a while ago.
Don't support link change, support extension.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
I brought this up around 5 and a half years ago, and a bunch of people were in favor for the reasons Kenny2scratch mentioned. JSO, who essentially founded the Wiki and was a bureaucrat at the time, stepped in and pushed it down. Clearer heads prevailed, and as you can tell, we never made the change.
I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but I really think this is a change we should not put our efforts and time in. I think the titles look just fine as they are, but most importantly I think it's not worth either breaking every single link ever created to the wiki or messing up the wiki by creating hundreds of redirects.


Since we long ago removed capitalization redirects, this would require bringing back that discussion, and fixing thousands of double redirects. JSO also suggested finding an extension, so i agree that that is the way to go.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
There is a major problem with installing or making an extension. If we were to have an extension enable case insensitive linking, one of two things would have to happen. Either:
  • Do an exhaustive search of every possible capitalization of the page's name - not recommended!
  • Move every page to a fully-lowercase equivalent and then have the extension simply redirect links to all-lowercase - defeats the purpose.
Unless there is a way to make an extension always redirect from other capitalizations to the correct and original capitalization, an extension is not going to help us.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:38, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
As far as I know the Wilipedia-Community has solved this problem. So we should find out how they did it and try to use the same solution here.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
They have solved the problem of searching, but they have not fixed capitalization in links - see my sandbox on Wikipedia for an example of case sensitivity in linking.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:59, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
OK, saw it. Yes Wikipedia didn't solve the "capitalization in links issue" Perhaps best solution was that we stay with it like it is, but try to find a comfortable editor-addon, where you get a suggestion-list-menu as you type when starting to create a wiki-link with all fitting articles.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:56, 19 February 2018 (CET)

My edit count seems to be out of sync

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If I transclude my edit count, I get 5,716; but on the actual page, the "Total" count is 326 more than the transcluded count! What's going on?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Werid. If I do it, I get 326 but that is actually a few less than the count on the page.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 13:43, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Same here! The only difference is that mine is only 10 behind.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 14:21, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Is anybody else having the same problem?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:18, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Actually, when transcluded, my Editcount is 25 less than the real count...:/
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 11:45, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Is this discussion still active? If so, this is happening to me too. My transcluded edit count is 34 less than what it says on Special:Editcount/bigpuppy.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 13:38, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Mine is 3 less, and I think I found the problem: Uploads of new image versions are not counted in the transcluded count, but they do in the real page.
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 11:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Ah, that makes sense.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:33, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes Done?
bob1171 (talk | contribs) on the Community Portal. 17:59, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
No, we don't know how to fix it yet, it's No Not done
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:04, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Compliment Tuesday?

The really good idea about Scratch_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive_74#Compliment_Tuesday was also introduced and continued until today in the DACH-Scratch-Wiki as de:Scratch-Wiki:Lobtag (see a google-translated version: here ). Wouldn't it be good to have it also here in the english scratch wiki again?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that's a great idea! I just joined in on the German side. ;) This should definitely be revived. How about we start this coming Tuesday?
We will need a system, though. Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:13, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Who wants to start it and care for it? Shouldn't we have a kind of "Compliment Tuesday Manager"
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:48, 19 February 2018 (CET)
I think that the EWs could act as the CT Manager :)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:05, 19 February 2018 (CET)

3.0 updating

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Warning Note: before writing please read this

As a result of Scratch 3.0 releasing, we have to update a lot of articles.

  1. Is there anything more to update?
  2. Is it OK to use bots?
  3. When to update?

Updates are:

  1. {{Pen Blocks}} to {{Pen Extension}}
  2. Category:Pen Blocks to Category:Pen Extension
  3. Change {{block}} for 3.0 blocks (it's larger than 2.0!)
  4. Music Extension, LEGO WeDo Extension categorize and put a new template
  5. remove {{unreleased}}
  6. if there's XX (1.4) and XX, XX moves to XX (2.0), and XX (3.0) moves XX
  7. TOC remake
  8. Tutorials remake
  9. Upload blocks' images
  10. Remake scratchblocks
  11. put {{Obsolete feature}}

(everybody can edit this list, with Siggy!)

Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 04:58, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

The ScratchBlocks plugin might need a style update.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm making for it. 
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 10:21, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
...that repo is (effectively) empty? Also the current ScratchBlocks version is 3 - if we rewrite it the new version will be 4.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
i don't know how to use source from other repo..
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 22:06, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
The ScratchBlocks extension is fairly complicated. I think we would have to rely on Blob8108 to update it, if he feels like it. If you want, you can ping him on his Scratch profile to let him know he needs to get cracking on updating ScratchBlocks.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:51, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion: Allow user CSS and JS

I know that user CSS and JS were disabled on the grounds that it would be harder to solve problems if everyone's view of the site looked different... but thing is, userscripts can do the same thing - so what's the harm in enabling a built-in way to customize your view instead of having everyone depend on a browser extension?

As always, feel free to discuss.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is what you mean but JS enabled for users sounds like a huge security issue. If people decide to use a userscript - okay, they do it in their browser and it doesn't affect anyone else. However, if someone programmed some malicious JS directly on the Wiki, that doesn't sound good :( -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 17:02, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
No, no! User JS is only enabled for the user that makes it - e.g. User:Keny2scratch/common.js is only loaded for me, and nobody else can edit it (except admins). Likewise for user CSS.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
23:25, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
agree,+1 For Ken. --
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 08:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Allowing CSS/JS would allow more powerful userscripts that cause an incentive for more userpages to heavily customize their pages, potentially causing them to be annoying to other users. I hope I'm interpreting this question right.
What are you planning on using JS for?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 13:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
I personally was going to move my userscripts to user JS instead, and maybe experiment around a little more.
However, I think that you're incorrect when you say this would cause an incentive to use it. Enabling it does not mean that it is advertised or encouraged - if you recall custom signatures are discouraged but what do you know, people use it anyway. Enabling user JS does not mean promoting it - it simply means easier customization, for yourself and yourself only.
You also seem to think that the JS would be loaded for all users - but no, if you heavily customized your user page with JS/CSS, it would only be customized for yourself, not for anyone else.
Hope that clears things up!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Is this the only use for enabling JS? If so, I don't support because there is no immediate need for it.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:46, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I really like this idea, especially the user CSS.
Vuton Logo.png-Vuton- (Talk | Contribs | Pages) 16:36, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Account Request Notes

I, when, recently doing account requests (yes, I do still use this thing) I have noticed that I am not learning much about what this user wants to edit and why they want to join the wiki. I like this system which identifies things to fix, but I feel that we should also add back some of the old application. I suggest adding the wiki experience, why they should be accepted, and an article to edit, and then have the current Find 3 Add 2 system. Opinions?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 02:34, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Take Example:

There is a capital S in the word "Screen" in the middle of a sentence that should not be capitalized. There is a dead link to the page "Oranges." There is the first person used under the paragraph called "Pineapples." It would be possible to add a section about Kiwis under the header of "Awesome Fruits." It would be possible to add a picture of an orange to the section titled "Oranges". The secret word is "Bananas"

With this example (which is totally about fruits) as long as they use complete sentences and basically fit this point:

  • In the request notes, does the user properly identify at least 3 flaws in the flawed article and 2 things to add?
  • Saying "I found a grammar error" is not clear
  • Users must actually make sense of what they are talking about.
  • If the specific examples of what they would add to the flawed article are not allowed on the Wiki (e.g. writing about their projects), fully reject if there was little effort, partially reject if it seems like you could get more ideas out of them or explain to them why it's not allowed.

Then they can be accepted into the wiki. This system, In my opinion, only tests the reading comprehension and if the user can write in complete sentences. It shows nothing about if the user can navigate the wiki or know what they want to edit. We get nothing of why they deserve to be a wikian. I belie these systems need to be combined.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 02:45, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm hesitant about making request notes more intensive like this because it makes it harder, and scares away more people. I think the current system is good enough on its own.
That being said, I do agree that the current system doesn't really make users show why they want to join; perhaps require an actual article that they would edit, as before, but nothing beyond that.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:37, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Interesting; I do see what you are saying, Customhacker. But I also see what Kenny2scratch is saying. I don't think it would hurt to add another small thing, like "Please explain why you want to join the wiki in your request notes."
I don't think that's too much, is it? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:27, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Not Done doesn't get enough attention

So I was browsing through Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done and realized that all of the discussions had been moved there and left to rot simply because they happened to last longer than an archive period. I suggest that we do at least one of the following things:

Don't have a separate Not Done page at all and keep the not done discussions on the main CP.
This would be effective but not feasible.
Great at keeping attention on topics.
Would likely break links and increase CP loading time.

Link to them in a more obvious way
This would be feasible but potentially not effective.
Saves space, keeps links.
Doesn't really solve the problem. Nobody wants to click an extra link just to get to topics they might not even care that much about. From my point of view, people comment on discussions because they're new and they want to get their opinion in. When a discussion takes an extra click to get to and has been rotting for so long, it no longer is attractive to comment on. Also, the Not Done page actually feels like an archive more than another discussion page - thereby discouraging new comments on it.

Have an entirely separate page for not done topics (maybe "Scratch Wiki talk:Not Done"?).
This would be partially feasible but potentially effective too.
Wouldn't break links (redirects exist, people), and would remove the feeling of an archive since it's a talk page of its own; would also save space on the actual CP because the content is literally in another page.
Still needs another click, and still seems too separate from the actual CP.

What are your thoughts? Do you have another suggestion for this problem? Do you have an opinion on or amendment to one of the current suggestions? Discuss!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:12, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

I think putting {{Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done}} is better - we can still put them here, and no problem for page size.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 02:15, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Page size would still be a problem - the point is, there is so much content here that browsers need a long time to load the page. Also, by transcluding the not done page, it has to parse the contents of that page anyway, so the only thing that does is increase loading time.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:36, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
This is something that definitely needs to be addressed, I personally think the last option is the best, but it is a hard one.
Vuton Logo.png-Vuton- (Talk | Contribs | Pages) 22:40, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
I also vote for the last option.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:42, 19 February 2018 (CET)
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 12:52, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Something like that is mentioned in different recent posts + continued at: #A little reorganization of old topics
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:39, 22 February 2018 (CET)

Things We have to Do

  • ST, please change the forum BBCode [wiki].
  • Admins of international Scratch Wiki, please change the interwikis!
  • PyWikiBot owner in ALL INTERNATIONAL WIKIS, please check the "family file" again! This is placed at "/pywikibot/families/(family name).py". Change the domain to "" and the version to 1.28.3
  • Bot Owner of this wiki, please check things like above.

Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 12:43, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

On the main site, the footer link needs to be changed too (and on this site). :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:23, 17 February 2018 (CET)
You could just ping Ernie on Discord
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 18:45, 18 February 2018 (CET)

We need to have a disclaimer

Now that we are not related to MIT, we need a disclaimer page covering the following points:

  • The Scratch Wiki is not sponsored or controlled by MIT
  • Scratch is a project of the Lifelong Kindergarten Group at the MIT Media Lab
  • Though vandalism is rare here since accounts have to be approved, it does happen once in a while and viewers should be aware of that

And any other potential legal points that might arise. Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:08, 17 February 2018 (CET)

Nice idea!
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 10:11, 17 February 2018 (CET)
my idea:whenever something is copyrighted or trademarked, we won't add (C) or (R)
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 15:10, 17 February 2018 (CET)
See a draft of the disclaimer here: User:Kenny2scratch/Sandbox 2#Scratch Wiki:General disclaimer
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:20, 17 February 2018 (CET)
Something is wrong. "a limited license to copy"? according to FAQ and your talk, this wiki is in public domain.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 23:31, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:09, 18 February 2018 (CET)
@Kenny2scratch+Apple502j: Thank you very much for making + improving that first draft of the disclaimer that already looks good to me.
@Admins+EWs: Please have a look at this important issue and comment, if there is a need for improvement. We should put the new disclaimer policy in effect asap.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:18, 18 February 2018 (CET)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Good idea. We should

wrong 2:pico,giga,nano,tera is also trademarked
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 14:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure in the terms of use it says that all scratch assets (which would include pico, giga, nano, tera, etc.) are under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike. should we say that?
Goldfish678 (talk | contribs) 23:05, 25 February 2018 (CET)
@Apple502j: Only the Scratch Cat and Gobo are trademarked, according to Scratch's ToU.
@290Scratcher: We need to make sure that the drafts are ok legalese-wise since once we put them up they are actually legal documents. We're not going to make the pages until we have everyone's ok on the quality of the drafts.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:39, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Tera,Pico,Giga,and Nano are,too, according to GitHub's scratch-flash.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 13:05, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Ah, thank you. Changed.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:48, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to make Japanese translation for ja wiki. I'm translating it.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 07:58, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

VisualEditor extension

Everyone knows that wiki markup is difficult to understand, and frankly, it disconnects users from the actual content. Though previewing is possible, it's annoying to do frequently, and some people don't even use it at all.

Therefore, I propose we get VisualEditor. This allows editing of pages without having to interact with wikitext at all - select some text, press Ctrl+B, and it becomes bold right in front of your eyes! Type in {{, and a menu will pop up asking which template you want to add.

I feel like this would help a lot for new users who might not feel like learning a whole markup language.

There is a prerequisite - I need to make sure that the SWS is compatible with it. But otherwise, I think this would be very helpful to install.

Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:16, 17 February 2018 (CET)

+1 very good idea!
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:24, 17 February 2018 (CET)
After looking at the extension, It's a big +1 from me.
Vuton Logo.png-Vuton- (Talk | Contribs | Pages) 11:04, 17 February 2018 (CET)
I definitely like this idea.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 05:54, 18 February 2018 (CET)
There is a large prerequisite I didn't notice before: This requires Parsoid to be installed. This may pose a larger challenge - especially for FTP backend people, Parsoid can only be installed via command-line.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
05:58, 18 February 2018 (CET)
I‘m not sure if Parsoid will be possible at our webspace. We have to ask akhof.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:11, 18 February 2018 (CET)

Privacy Policy

The Privacy Policy page is linked at the bottom of every page, but currently shows just a copy the Scratch privacy policy. Since we are no longer managed by the ST, should we look into changing up this page?
Vuton Logo.png-Vuton- (Talk | Contribs | Pages) 11:47, 17 February 2018 (CET)

I think we should
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 13:43, 17 February 2018 (CET)
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:43, 17 February 2018 (CET)
I made: User:Apple502j/Sandbox
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 23:22, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
@Apple502j: Thank you very much for making that first draft that looks good to me.
@Admins+EWs: Please have a look at this important issue and comment, if there is a need for improvement. We should put our private policy in effect asap. I would like to add something about email-adresses because you already could add it in your scratch profile, what helps you to get informed about changes of articles and to reset your password. We are planing to make eMail-Adresd mandatory for new users, like we have it slready in the other international scratch wikis. So it must be mentioned in the Privacy Policy.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:42, 18 February 2018 (CET)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────IMPORTANT:Ken made a very big edit. Please check again!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 23:31, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Oh wrong time
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 10:31, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Some things...

No Not done

Why is Recent Changes visible when not logged in?

Should the second word be capitalized for Recent "changes" and Random "page"?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:50, 17 February 2018 (CET)

What is this CET in the signature? Why is Edit Summary not able to be written when starting to post on the CP?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:53, 17 February 2018 (CET)
Why does the OP come in one font and replies in another?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:54, 17 February 2018 (CET)
I think CET is the timezone, although it used to be UTC...
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:57, 17 February 2018 (CET)
Why is the font in the news section one font and the rest of the front page another font?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 18:13, 17 February 2018 (CET)
It appears that indented text has a different font than non-indented text.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:37, 17 February 2018 (CET)
That doesn't only go for indented text on talk pages, but any indented text; that's why the news items use that font.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:39, 17 February 2018 (CET)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Customhacker 1st post: Recent Changes were always visible when not logged in, what are you talking about? Also the recent changes are normally not capitalized; in fact, the system message dictates what that text says, and it's not capitalized by default.

Customhacker 2nd post: CET is the timezone that the new server is in; it used to be UTC because it was in the US. I think CET and UTC have no actual difference besides name. Also, what do you mean the edit summary isn't available? I have it just fine...

Customhacker 3rd post: Argh, the font for <dl> elements is the same as the footer font; I didn't realize indenting used dls.

Customhacker 4th post: Same reason as 3rd.

I'll fix the skin soon.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
05:46, 18 February 2018 (CET)

Wait, I don't see any different font? [1]
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:02, 18 February 2018 (CET)
Actually, there is a difference between the Time Zones. UTC is the time standard for the world, and is basically GMT but without Daylight Saving Time. CET is Central European Time, which is UTC+1. It is used in countries like France and Germany, which is why, as it is hosted in Germany by MtWoll, CET is the Time Zone used by the Wiki.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 12:38, 18 February 2018 (CET)
@Kenny2scratch Maybe it only shows for certain browsers? I see a different font for any indented text.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:23, 18 February 2018 (CET)
Actually, I'm not sure if there's a font change in bold text.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:26, 18 February 2018 (CET)
By the way, GMT does not involve daylight saving time (that's stuff like BST). The time in UTC and the time in GMT is the same. UTC is technically not a timezone; instead, it's a time scale designed to approximate GMT[2] independent of the Earth.
Jokebookservice1 (talk | contribs) 01:11, 19 February 2018 (CET)
@Bigpuppy, could you "inspect" the indented text and look at the computed styles of the dd to see what its "font-family" is? Thanks
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:15, 19 February 2018 (CET)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────It says multiple names of fonts, is it supposed to? (I might not have found the right thing though?)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:45, 20 February 2018 (CET)

What it's supposed to say is "Helvetica Neue", "Helvetica", Arial, sans-serif. Is that what you're seeing? (actually, screenshot that panel for me?)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:26, 20 February 2018 (CET)
Well, that's what I'm seeing.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:09, 20 February 2018 (CET)
Hmm, it looks like it's specifically Helvetica Neue that's acting weird on some devices: [3]. I guess a switch of font might do the trick; but I'm hesitant to do that because it would further distance us from the main site's style :/
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:29, 21 February 2018 (CET)
Actually, when I use the vector skin, I don't see a different font. Are you using the vector skin?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:03, 22 February 2018 (CET)
No, I'm using the new SWS. Could you look at the "computed styles" pane again and scroll to the bottom? It'll tell you there what font is being rendered. So could you please see what font is being rendered for <p> elements and <dd> elements?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:42, 4 March 2018 (CET)

Removing the "EW" usergroup

Let me give you some background on the EW usergroup first. It was created for two main reasons:

  • All the bureaucrats were Scratch Team members - the Wiki didn't have control over its own usergroups. So EW was created to be the equivalent of "admin" in a bureaucrat-less wiki. Basically, EW substituted admin and admin substituted bureaucrat.
  • There were a lot of account requests, so EW was made to help the admins process them all.

The first thing is no longer true. We now have our own bureaucrats (*cough cough* yours truly *cough cough*).

The second thing, though still true, is not as pressing. Now that we have active bureaucrats, we can confirm accounts just as quickly as we did before with EWs. In fact, there are very few EWs now that are not also bureaucrats.

So some of us have proposed that we get rid of the EW usergroup entirely. Then elections would be for admins, not EWs; and (I guess?) any current EWs would become admins.

Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:32, 18 February 2018 (CET)

I always saw the EW role as a way to gain trust in users, before giving them full admin permissions, however, I do mostly agree with you.
Vuton Logo.png-Vuton- (Talk | Contribs | Pages) 14:37, 18 February 2018 (CET)
Support! Here are some ideas upon what we could do:
Unlike Cazzy's server, we shouldn't get rid of one of the EWs for no reason at all. We should have admin in place of EW and per election, those admins would be upgraded to bureaucrats. Ernie told me that we'd have admins for a few months, then upgrade them to bureaucrat. I prefer this idea. It's not necessary and confusing now.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 16:38, 18 February 2018 (CET)
Good arguments, but perhaps it's still a good idea to have a "two stage way" to admin rights? The important thing would be to have a acceptable difference in rights between admin and EWs.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:04, 19 February 2018 (CET)
But really, I don't see the point in EW.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 12:29, 19 February 2018 (CET)
I agree with Martin. The only major right EWs have other than admins is protect, so EWs can't edit pages that only some more experienced users such as admins can edit effectively (such as the front page). I also think EWs should get all other perms such as undelete, etc. so they can maintain the Wiki as stated in their position description. But then there wouldn't be an acceptable difference in rights between admins and EWs.
My thoughts:
  1. Delete EW role and promote directly to admin.
  2. Protect admin only pages (such as the FP) as bureaucrat only. This means adding that protection level.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:38, 19 February 2018 (CET)
I feel like protecting admin only pages as bureaucrat only would be editlockedpages all over again - but hey, the FP is protected for a reason, so it's not too big of a deal. Support.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:32, 21 February 2018 (CET)
Support! This makes sense as the roles aren't really different. EWs could definitely serve better with more adminship positions. I also support the idea of new protection level.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 15:21, 3 March 2018 (CET)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Just note: this would likely re-introduce an "editlockedpages" equivalent and also promote every current EW to admin.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:25, 3 March 2018 (CET)

Some GIFs aren't animated at smaller size

For example:

I'm an optimist, but I'm also a realist.gif BEST GIF EVER.gif

PrincessPandaLover Still Icon.png ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 01:19, 19 February 2018 (CET)

Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 12:31, 19 February 2018 (CET)
(actually these images are not allowed now, see #We have to delete Fair Use.)
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 08:14, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Found the problem: [4] - turns out it's a limitation with MediaWiki itself. Sorry, but those GIFs won't be animated at those sizes.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:22, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

New page idea: Scratch Wiki:Community Projects

No Not done

I have an idea for a new page, which is Scratch Wiki:Community Projects. This page would be for, well, "projects" the wiki community is working on. Each "project" would be in a subpage of Scratch Wiki:Community Projects.

An example of something that could be worked on using this is the in-progress privacy policy. After the project is done, it would be moved to the correct place.

I'm suggesting this because when working on stuff like this at the moment, we mostly use personal sandboxes (I think). This works, but a downside is that you need to give permission for other users to help edit, as it's a personal sandbox under userspace. I don't think we could use the main sandbox, as WikiMonitor clears it (and I don't think it's really intended for this kind of thing). This new page would be specifically used for community "projects" that anyone can help work on.

On the main community projects page, there would be...

  • An explanation of the page
  • A list of current "projects"
  • A list of finished "projects" that used the page

So, what do you think? Sorry if I'm not explaining my idea that well, so feel free to ask questions (and give feedback).
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:40, 19 February 2018 (CET)

That sounds like a great idea. Although, couldn't we not use our sandboxes to house these articles and just put it in mainspace with the {{In Progress}} template?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:45, 19 February 2018 (CET)
+1 This sounds like a great idea. It'll also help users interact with the community more, as well as allow for better collaboration on large projects and pages.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 20:32, 19 February 2018 (CET)
@KrIsMa True, but this could also be for stuff like the privacy policy page that is currently being worked on, which wouldn't be a mainspace page. Although, I suppose we could just put it under "Scratch Wiki:" and put that template on it...
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:34, 20 February 2018 (CET)
But this is for community projects, so maybe {{stub}}? I still think we should have a page for it though. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:51, 20 February 2018 (CET)
Yeah that was what I wanted to say. So, I am not sure. Maybe the reason why people start articles in their sandbox is because they don't know that inprogress articles can also be put into not their subpages, I have no idea.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:20, 20 February 2018 (CET)
I apreciate introducing something like projects and projectpages very much. But I would‘t like to have a separete (project) list, I had to look for additional to CP, to know „everything discussed in public at the wiki“. I think this Community Portal should stay the general List to get an overview about all this matters. And CP is also the location where new projects „grow“ that have no project-status at first. So why not combine all the issues:
  • Community Portal often gets to long
  • „not done“ does not get enough attention
  • let‘s start with project pages
We could "allow" or "suggest" to make a (project) subpage for each CP-issue that gets "to long + to old" and let only a header with an introduction (not longer then a teaser) here in CP. We could this header give a marker „this is a project“ (instead of „not done“). Fineshed projects go to the CP-archive. So the whole Project-Ideas could be introduced simply as an enlargement of this Community Portal without disrupting attention of the community in to much different locations. What do you think?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:22, 20 February 2018 (CET)
+ As the result of a project mostely is a new article, but the project-page where you move a discussion, started in CP, is always a talk-page, there could be always this combination: Projectresults go to an article-page, project-discussion goes to the talk-page of this article.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:32, 20 February 2018 (CET)
+ continued at: #A little reorganization of old topics
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:40, 21 February 2018 (CET)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Please note: I know I said in the first post that I think we use personal sandboxes for the most part now, but I noticed we also use other stuff under people's userspace (at the moment).
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:41, 23 February 2018 (CET)

mentioning users on the Wiki

I see people trying to mention admins + ews on the CP by typing "Admins+Ews:..." but honestly no one notices these anyways unless they are watching the topic. I think we should have a mentioning system on the Wiki (such as @admins etc.) that was previously discussed by never reached a conclusion.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:52, 19 February 2018 (CET)

The problem is that there's no real notification system on a wiki, unless we get the Echo extension; but that extension makes the wiki too much like a social network.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:22, 20 February 2018 (CET)
Or, we can make a "Admin Noticeboard". see also #Dedicated page for requests for admin/EW action
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 09:33, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

A little reorganization of old topics

So, MartinWollenweber has been suggesting this for a while, but nobody's thought to bring this up as a topic of its own, so I thought I'd take the liberty of doing so.

The suggestion is: if a topic remains "not done" (or anything other than "done") for a long time, move it to its own subpage of the CP. This would remove the need for S:CPND, and would likely reduce loading times. Of course, there would be something at the top of the CP showing all the current "long time + hard work" topics.
Once the topics are finally "done", they should remain in their subpage, but the subpage should be protected to prevent further editing. That way, previous links to that subpage won't break or have to be redirected.

This would likely transcend the need for any of these suggestions or any of these suggestions, and would be a lot smoother, too! But there may be something I overlooked. Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:12, 21 February 2018 (CET)

We are moving to the right direction, but let‘s also include S:CP#New_page_idea:_Scratch_Wiki:Community_Projects. There you see that making the „long + old not dones“ a „scratch wiki project“=SWP could help. As there seems to be many SWPs that are the “creating or overworking of an existing article” but also others, that have no article in the mainspace I suggest:
Introducing SWPs = Scratch Wiki Projects
  • Let‘s make some SWP-templates: One is a SWP-marker+data template you use as a the head of a SWP. This SWP-marker+data holds the projectname, projectdescription, projectowner (=responsible!!!), project team members, project status, start+end date and so on. Also a project numer cold help to organize and reference to the projecs.
  • This SWP-marker+data gets in the only-include section of the projectpage. A second SWP-reference-template (or simple “SWP-box”) can be used, to represent the SWP-marker+data at an other location, specially here at the CP but perhaps also at other locations like a project list page or when you want to reference to SWPs at other discussions. :*Because this projectmarker can include categories its possible to have projects automatically be listed and sorted by category.
  • I would prefer that every SWP has a separate SWP-article and SWP-talkpage. The project article can, but must not be an article in the mainspace. It can also be an article in a “project sub space” but it always has a talk page for the discussion and a result-page, that can be the article itself in case its located in the mainspace.
  • The SWP-reference templates (you can have multiple, depending how detailed the cited projectdata shoud be shown) can also include links to the project resultpage and the project talkpage.
  • If a thread here in the CP gets to long, to old, or should better move to the artile discussion, you are free to set up a SWP by choosing or creating an article where the SWP should take place and putting a new SWP-marker there with yourself as the projectowner
  • As there will also be a status and list for “rotten projcts” you should only start projects you really feel responsible for because else you get the reputation of “the owner of the most rotten projects” ;-) this helps to avoid “project inflation” that could be caused by the thought “I cearate many project, but will not do the work”.
  • After the SWP-marker is set up, the SWP can be presented at the CP discussion by using one SWP-reference-template that gives you a nice box with the projectdata. Later the CP thread itself can be moved to the SWP-talk page, so that only the SWP-representation-box stays in the CP until the status of the project project is "finished" or "rotten".
  • SWPs could automatically get “rotten” if nobody edited their result-page or their talk-page for a certain amount if time.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:30, 21 February 2018 (CET)
I think the SWP template could be something like this? (That's an old template idea of mine.)
So if I'm getting you right, you're thinking of something similar to the CP but for things that specifically need "long time + hard work"? And each project is in a subpage, instead of as a section? That seems like a good idea - for example the ScratchSig extension's discussion could go in one subpage?
I'm not sure what you mean by "each SWP should have a separate SWP-article and SWP-talkpage", though - isn't each SWP a discussion? Or am I missing something?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:38, 22 February 2018 (CET)
  • Your suggestion for the SWT.template looks interesting. Originally I thougt it should look a littel bit like the round boxes used in FAQ-answers (e.g. What is SEO spam?) because additional to the different fields it must contain a teaser-like Projectdescription and the SWP-box will be the last that stays in CP when a CP-thread is moved to a talk-page of a project. So perhaps better have something that fills the complete row, not just a box on the right.
  • To explain better what a SWP would be: Any article in mainspace, but also in any other space can get the status to be a project, just by adding the SWP-marker+data template at the top of its talk-page. If an article in mainspace is declared as a project the project-resultpage is the article itself: So it's very easy to say: "I want to work myself and am searching people to help me with this article": Only put a SWP-marker+data template at the top of the articles discussion page and put the SWP-reference-box in the CP.
  • Good examples in the actual CP where you could use that kind of projects are the threads:
  • Naturally there will be projects, that have no article in mainspace and that are "just projects": But also for this "just projects" its helpfull to have two pages: The result-page where you find all generell information an decissions in a brief form and the talk-page where you find and can talk part in the discussion that has lead to this results. Fo this "just projects" we should define a space where we can collect them.
  • It's even possible to create a project at a subpage of your userpage and invite others. Here I made a example to show how it could roughly look like (just how it would look like!!! Doing it with templates would be much more spophisticated) :
SWP 001 - My Test Projects Name

This is the description of my test project

project data project data project data project data
  • In this case I put the SWP-box also at the project results page because it helps with navigation. We should discuss if this is acceptable in generall, specially if the project is an article in mainspace.
  • I think with this realively easy concept of projects we are fast, flexible and easy to understand, if it's transfered to templates that are looking good and very handy to use.
Do you now understand what I tried to explain above? What do you think?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:59, 22 February 2018 (CET)
Ah, that makes more sense! So you mean any page can be converted into a SWP just by adding the template, and then discussion for the project will be on the talk page? And there will be a link to the project from the CP as well? That sounds like a great idea!
I think we should wait for others to comment on this discussion; then once we know everyone's ok with it we can proceed to design the template and then get this started!
How about the idea of moving "long time + hard work" topics to subpages of the Community Portal, though? I think that would still be a good idea to keep, since it still does make the CP more organized and reduces loading time a bit. Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
17:06, 22 February 2018 (CET)
  • more sense: Yes, now you got me right!
  • Waiting for others to agree: Yes, in any case. Hope they also like it and add more ideas...
  • moving "long time + hard work": You could do that with exact the same technique, if there is no fitting article to put the project in, e.g. you could use:

Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
17:31, 22 February 2018 (CET)
I like the template! A +1 from me. I have some questions:
  • How exactly will the template work? Will it be like this?
{{SWP|link to talk page|link to project page|link to Community Portal section|project #}}
  • Will there be a main page with a list of projects and their numbers (and possibly a description of each one)?
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:52, 22 February 2018 (CET)
There will be at least two templates, one top at the project page like:
* {{SWPdata| projctnumber |projectname |projectdescription |projectowner |projectstatus | projctstartdate | projectenddate |...}} and
* {{SWPbox|projectpagename}} (used in CP, no other parameters needed)
Any not finished project should have at least a SWPbox in CP. Additionell there could be other articles that list projects, but if the SWPbox-trmplate could also include categories, list of projects could also easy generated automatically
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
18:18, 22 February 2018 (CET)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Okay. Should we make a page with an explanation and a list (automatically updated like you said)? Or the template(s)?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:26, 22 February 2018 (CET)

Maybe Scratch Wiki:Projects?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:27, 22 February 2018 (CET)
An additional listing of SWPs at an own page is always possible, but never essential as project will always be starting in a CP thread and the SWPbox stays there , after the duscussion of that thread was moved to the projects talk page, until the project is finished or rotten. A lists of projects can be automatically created by categories. A page with a separate manual listing of all projects is somewhat artificial and tends to be unmantained. But it can be done by somone who is interested. I supphose that the projectowners will not care for that separate list themself, because for them it‘s enough to put the SWPmarker in the project and the SWPbox in the CP thread.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
23:18, 22 February 2018 (CET)
Or maybe we could have a page that has an explanation but only links to the category so it doesn't need to be updated?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:42, 23 February 2018 (CET)
Yes, that‘s a good idea! The concept of SWP has to be explained somwhere in any case, and to present the SWP-categories there is the best place. We can have multiple SWPcategories e.g. sorted by projectstate and by projectspace, because the category inside the SWPdata-template could be conditional and dependent of data or space. So with your suggestion we have a place to explain the SWP-concept and to jump into the „list of all active/finished/rotten project“ all projects in „mainspace/projectspace/userspave“ and so on.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:15, 23 February 2018 (CET)
Okay, I have a prototype of a template, here. How's it look?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:40, 23 February 2018 (CET)
Looks good, but do we understand each other right concerning that the SWPdata should only be defined one time at the top of the SWP-talkpage? The SWPbox in the CP and anywhere else should only be a template that shows the same data, but does not include the data itself in its parameters (the only paramter would be the pagename of the SWPdata). Its a littel like the Translate-template at the Test-Wiki ( tw:Eng:Scratch_Wiki_Home/translate ). To have multiple SWPbox-formats e.g. small and big ones (SWPbox1 , SWPbox2 ...) the SWPdata could be in <onlyinclude> so you don't see it at it's page and it delivers only the parameterstring that than goes into a SWPbox within <noinclude> that does the visualisation on that page. You could than put the {{page}} within any SWPbox-template, that can visualize that parameterstring. That's really a bit of sophisticated template programming but I think you are familiar with that. Right?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
16:28, 23 February 2018 (CET)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I created a page with an explanation of Scratch Wiki Projects here; feel free to add to it and edit it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:29, 23 February 2018 (CET)

I fixed up my template (again, see here). Also, I will demo the CP-topic part:
SWP 001 - Make SWP template
This template will eventually be the template used for Scratch Wiki Projects.No Not doneKenny2scratch23/2/2018Project results
Project page
Project discussion
@mtwoll: is this what you had in mind?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:45, 25 February 2018 (CET)
Yes, looks good! You saw my idea below that would enable us to have all projectdata at one page? You already said „it‘s to much“ but it has some advantages...
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:09, 25 February 2018 (CET)
I got the impression we have been a little bit stucked with this perhaps the best is to give one version of SWP a try and see how it works?
I would prefer that the first version of the SWP-box looks the same everywhere to get used to it. I', mot sure if my last idea to have all SWP-data at one page with the help of section-transclusion is best, but it would help to always find the last number and have a section with an existing PWC-data-definition to copy from if you create an new one...also you could reference the PWC-data with the section-headline that could be year+PWS-Nr (starting with PWS 1 every year again,(e.g. PWS2018-001..PWS2018-038 and PWS2019-001..PWS2019-033). But perhaps also having the data in each separate PWS-discussion-page is best...we will see..
Better let's start now somehow and learn if it works than waiting much longer.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
17:11, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

We have to delete Fair Use

The server is in Germany now. German copyright law doesn't allow Fair Use, so we have to delete all the fair use images. For example, screenshots of games are prohibited.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 08:13, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I don‘t like that idea, even if I am the one that would have to bare the struggle, if we would really get legal problems. Until now in the DACH wiki we acted according to the saying „without complaint, there is no redress“... but you are right, that we must take the matter more serios. I‘m even considering moving our sever somewhere, where we have less legal problems...
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:20, 21 February 2018 (CET)
I think that legally, the images are not illegal until the owner of the game or whatever claims the images as their own - that is, until someone says "you cannot use this image, it contains my project in it" then that image is not illegal.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:00, 21 February 2018 (CET)
Are they copyrighted?
Dilek10 (talk | contribs) 00:08, 22 February 2018 (CET)
Just move the server to a different place!
PrincessPandaLover Still Icon.png ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 02:29, 22 February 2018 (CET)
@PrincessPandaLover: That's not "as" easy: It needs trust (in the new place, e.G. the new host should not sometimes "pull our plug"), knowledege of and trust in the law of that country + trust that we could cope better with that countries law than with German law, + econonomic work (which hosters offer's best), + technical work to analyse new server and not the last doing the transfer itself...IMHO - because we never got problems since 2012 wether with the DACH Scratch wiki, nor with the others - and because I don't got the time, we should postpone decissions about that.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:07, 22 February 2018 (CET)
Hi everyone! I consultet with someone who is studying law in Germany and has some knowledge. Pictures like eg. a Mario sprite can not legally be on the Wiki. We could be fined for it. It is more likely that we get a "Aufforderung zur Abgabe einer Unterlassungsverpflichtung" which means we need to sign something that states we'll remove the picture and won't upload that content again, else we need to pay something (probably 5000€+). However, we can most probably put screenshots of Scratch games or so on here that have these sprites, since this would be categorized as "Kunstfreiheit" (freedom of art) because a new piece of art is created with it. Which images are these pictures that fall under fair use? Are they all in a certain category? Also, how do people upload profile pictures? They should not have copyrighted content. We should add a notification or so for that. -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 18:43, 23 February 2018 (CET)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I made a template {{fair use}} and a category Category:Images under Fair use.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 07:50, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@Apple502j: Thanks! It‘s good to have an overview and to have the users of that pictures warned, even if we wait with the decission what to do with that pictures. How did the pictures that are already in that category get there?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:07, 27 February 2018 (CET)
I checked a lot of images one by one.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 07:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but why are you treating Fair Use images like they have to be burned immediately?
PrincessPandaLover Still Icon.png ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 00:37, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Because they basically do. Now that the servers are in Germany, we have no right to keep such images without being sued. So unfortunately all your game screenshots are now effectively illegal, and will likely need to be taken down.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:39, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Screw lack of fair use.
PrincessPandaLover Still Icon.png ♥PrincessPandaLover Talk | Contributions | Scratch Account 23:26, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Section_Transclusion AddOn

I would like to have:

It has many advantages, specially it would be helpfull for #A little reorganization of old topics:

  • you could put every SWPdata in a section of an article at the same page (that could have the name of the year) and reference it by transcluding only that section. The sections could have the Numbers of the SWP's so you could have a SWPbox just by using the project-number like {{basepage/SWP-2018#033}} (that would give you the SWPbox of the SWP number 33 of the year 2018). Am I right? What do you think?
    Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
    18:50, 24 February 2018 (CET)
shouldn't it be "{{#lst:page|section}}
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 23:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
I think that that's a little too much. I like your previous idea of something similar to the Test wiki's "Translate" template! That seems a lot more concise, in my opinion.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
05:50, 25 February 2018 (CET)
Independent of the decision if we use Labeled_Section_Transclusion for SWPs, I would like to have it at all scratch wikis, because it expandes the possibility of template design very much and makes it easier and also more readable: You can use it to have a very readable and enlargable case structure in complex sub templates. It‘s also stable and used in many established Mediawiki projects (see ). Espesiallly it is enabled on all Wikimedia wikis, naturally including Wikipedia (see ).
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:03, 27 February 2018 (CET)
Wikipedia uses it for the same reason that they use Scribunto - they actually have a need for it. Can you show me some templates that would benefit from this extension? But I would think that this would be better for transcluding sections of mainspace pages, not templates, since templates don't involve sections. Why do we actually need this extension?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:16, 28 February 2018 (CET)
I tested it here: de:Benutzer:Mtwoll/s1 perhaps the advantages are more understandable when having a look.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
17:26, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
I see how it works, but I don't really understand why we need it... is there something we could use this for here?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
01:53, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Naturally we would need it for the SWP-design I sugested: Only with that method you could have all SWP-data of a year at one page and so could profit from better overview e.g. for incresing SWP-number and easier creation of new SWPs by just copy&paste+change an existing section. Further on you could separate conditional branches of complex templates, e.g. if a template produces different content, you could easy separate this content in sections, to make it easier to be understood and mantained. It keeps order for small Mediawiki-snipets that belong together, and that without had to be separate unoverviewable pages or had to be unreadabley integrated within the calling template.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:37, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── For presenting different content depending on a parameter, you can use a switch statement:

content for option 1...
content for option 2...
content for option 3...

I don't see how an increasing SWP number would help? There's no way to keep track of the number automatically, even using this extension.

Out of curiosity, what does Wikipedia use it for?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:06, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Switch statement: Exactly! And so you could have all options orderd at one page, so someone who don't want to get into the complex bracket structure of the template can have a look at it and mantain it.
SWP-Numbers: If you had all SWP-data in one article and just add a section for each new project you only have to copy the last section, change the data and increase the Project-number by one. If not you have to find the last number somehow somewhere, and ask yourself how and where to write the your projectdata...I‘m wondering if the SWP-idea will get sucessfull by that having a page for each year with all projectdata it seems more likely to me, that people will adopt it...I‘m aware of that this is in opopsite of my first suggestion, to have a „projectmainpage“ for each projet (normally it‘s discussionpage) with the SWP-data at it‘s head to be‘s more „back to the roots“ of bigpuppys original idea in #New page idea: Scratch Wiki:Community Projects ....
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
17:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


No Not done

@Ernie: Could you care for the Stat-Bots?
Wouldn't it be great to create international stats for all scratch wikis at the long term, where you see multiple data about clicks, edits, useres etc. at once for all languages? Is it possible to get in the direction of ?
@All: Questions?Thought?

Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:30, 1 March 2018 (CET)

@ErnieParke: Hello?
@All: Questions?Thought?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:45, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
It would be nice to have all the Google Analytics data presented in one place, instead of showing local activity on each wiki (though each wiki should link to the central presentation page too). Since it seems most appropriate, I'd say the central analytics should be on the Test wiki... maybe tw:Test-Scratch-Wiki:Statistics?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:44, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree that these statistics are interesting! I'd like to see them in one page! -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 17:06, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
I also agree that a combined statistic was good, but it should be easy accessible from each wiki in any case. Hopefully ErnieParke materializes in this thread, because he made the stat-bot, we're talking about.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
17:10, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


@ErnieParke: Hello? ;-)
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:02, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Ernie answered:

ErnieParke - Today at 7:09 AM
I'll do that later today when I have some free time.
ErnieParke - Today at 10:21 AM
It appears that's because we moved wikis and I forgot to update links.

– ErnieParke at Discord

Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 01:24, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
oh time zone is JST (UTC+9 Scratch Time+14)
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 01:25, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
As a slight status update, I am currently wrestling with some obscure Java bugs that have cropped up. This will take a bit longer then expected.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 05:52, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
The GA stats, as well as "International Stats" page, are back up and running.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 16:41, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
@Ernie: Thank you!🙂 But:

"Done" in S:CPND

Shouldn't they be archived?
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 07:22, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the custom is for topics in there - I guess they would be archived at the same time as the normal CP. We'll just wait until the next CP archive (remember we archive once it hits 125K bytes)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:33, 2 March 2018 (CET)
Yes Done
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 22:03, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

A Reform Package

I've been mulling over some new ideas for the Wiki, and proposing them to Kenny2Scratch to see what he thinks about them. He seems to have forgotten about them already :P, so it seemed like a good time to speak to the community. Here are a few of the ideas which I thought of as reforms.

1.) Wikian Level's I, II, III, IV. These would be earned through daily activity. Level I would be earned after fifteen days in which you make at least one mainspace edit. Level II would be earned after thirty days, Level III after 60 days and Level IV after 120 days. This would promote daily activity and involvement in the community. Your rank would be displayed in your signature. Inevitably we will be asked "But what if I miss one day." Well an appeals process will be set up and you can apply to have a specific edit count for two or three days of credit. If you created a new page on your own, added a major component to another, or turned a stub into a real page, then those may be eligible for this. Overall the program looks to increase the quality and frequency of logins as a way to have more engagement in the community. This program does not force there to be a higher quantity of edits, because clogging up the RC one day does not help your chances of gaining these merit ranks. We could also set up protection levels around the different ranks as a way to incentivize this program. For example, maybe you could only begin to edit the help pages after you have reached Wikian Level II.

2.) I do not see the Wiki anywhere on the Tips page. We should encourage the Scratch Team to add a link + icon to the 9th empty tutorial box as a way to fill the space and promote the many tutorials which are present on the wiki.

3.) Suggestions with Connections. This idea may seem to be the most far-fetched but it is certainly another way to build a connection to the community. It would involve the creation of a new "Opinion" space which would house different opinion pieces written by members on the Scratch community. These would need to be high-quality suggestions which prove (sort of like a professional OP-ED) an interesting point. We would have a new stickied forum in the Suggestions page encouraging users to submit different articles. This would encourage high-quality writers to join the wiki after there opinion piece has been accepted. We would display these opinion pieces at the bottom of the front page (it would select five at random each time the page is refreshed).

These ideas overall increase the connection between the community and the wiki and encourage participants to come back time and time again to improve our community. I look forward to the discussion generated by these ideas.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 14:22, 3 March 2018 (CET)

1) Sounds complicated but could work. Not sure if I would support that.
2) Good Idea! We should try that!
3) Sounds even more complicated ;)

Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:53, 3 March 2018 (CET)
What convincing evidence is necessary?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 15:18, 3 March 2018 (CET)
I think only doing it could proove that it works. To start, there shoud be more likes of others and somebody who can and wants to do the work ;-) Also the (1) seems intersect with #"extended confirmed" usergroup. Perhaps we should concentrate on (2)? BTW: As one of the translators for german language, I realized that we can make links to wiki-pages in the process of translating even if there are noe in the original, but that's not official and doesn't help for the english original. Separate Threat for (2)?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:37, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
I don't support 1) because a help page was the first page I edited back then. That people trusted me really encouraged me and gave me self confidence. Who knows. If I wouldn't have been able to edit the page, maybe I wouldn't be here today? Anyway, maybe two-layer system that isn't so strict (you have to log in every day or so - that just isn't possible for some people) would work. Quite like New Scratchers and Scratchers. For 2) Good idea! It was in the old help page. I think at "Questions" it would make sense to add the Wiki! 3) I am not sure if I understand - Opinion pieces about what exactly? Finally: Hey, thanks for thinking about all these things and bringing them up! -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 17:02, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

link to the forum thing

I think the thing at the top should link to the forum community portal thing.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 01:31, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

You mean the discuss button should link to the Wiki forum topic? Seems like a good idea, actually - but I'll wait for more support before going ahead.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
01:45, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:47, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Maybe we could have both? I think having a link to Scratch discuss makes sense. Someone pointed this out somewhere before, but it is logical to go to the forums when you can't find an answer here. Can't we replace the Create or Explore button with a link to the Community Portal? -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 16:55, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
No. I mean link to it at the top of the community portal. But good idea.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 03:50, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
@LiFaytheGoblin - That seems a good idea, we also have the option to add it somewhere else on the navbar. Maybe a chat icon could go beside the pencil icon, and it would link to the community portal?
Vuton Logo.png-Vuton- (Talk | Contribs | Pages) 09:05, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
@Ziggy: Oh, you meant link to the forum topic from the CP, in the help box? That seems much milder but hey, it also seems nice.
Actually, I feel like we should have a third menu (apart from the pencil and user menus) for general convenient links related to the Wiki - but that's a rather long shot so I want more opinions on that. Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Mayby the "discuss"-button could change into a menu where you can jump to different locations like "forum", "community portal", "community portal forum thread", "you language forum"... So all locations for discussions coud be found at one place that is already well known...
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:57, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes. I like that idea
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 17:50, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Regular Scratch TV show in japanese public TV

I‘m realy facinated about: googletranslated article about regular Scratch TV show in japanese public TV. NHK is a realy big broadcasting channel in Japan and they seem to have a weekly show about Scratch. So that‘s imho the reason that scratch is so popular in Japan and the japanese Scratch Wiki is growing so fast! The TV show itself looks like a japanese style Sesame Street about learning to code“ 😀( see here ). I would like to transfer that brilliant japanese idea, to motivate more kids to start programming, to other contries specially to germany where we also have big public broadcasting organizations. I met abee (see de:WhoIsWhoInTheScratchCommunity#Kazuhiro_Abe) and people of the japanese TV at Scratch Conference 2016, but I didn‘t pay enough attention to it to follow up that contact.

@Apple502: Are my assumptions above right? If yes: Could you help to spread information about that to the international Scratch Community? Could you start with a traslation of that article to the english scratch wiki?
@All: Are there weekle TV-shows about Scratch in other parts of the world?

Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:05, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't say the same about Hong Kong or China - we were taught Scratch in IT class two years ago (hint: I aced the class) and with a few exceptions everyone despised it. I'm not sure whether that's a consequence of the teaching style, the language itself, or their own coincidental preference, but nobody was keen to continue Scratching after the class was over.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:43, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
I love this show :O (I don't understand a word tho). Martin, our contact Mr. Yogeshwar has a lot to do with TV. Can't we propose this idea to him? -
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 08:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Not for Us in the east coast of the U.S. either. We had a coding club before, that used scratch, but some people did not like it cause' it look too "basic"  :( I do know Russia had a Scratch magazine. (at the bottom.) I don't know if it is still published.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:05, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
This show seems so cool! I hope that the US gets some sort of equivalent to this show sometime.
Nickeljorn (talk | contribs) 21:08, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
User:Apple502j/Why!? Programming translated
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 02:31, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
@Apple502j: Great. Thanks! Would you like to move your article in regular wiki-space? Is there an easy oportunity to watch all episodes of Why!? Programmingin the web? I couldn'tto find it at YouTube, where i hoped to have it with english subscripts.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:34, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
At the official website, here. (but no English subtitles, sorry! )
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 10:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Block template

You can make block template like this.
-unsigned comment by MathsGames3 (talk | contribs)

We stopped publicizing blocks a while ago, and deleted its respective template.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:38, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Some things

I have a few questions:

1. What is MediaWiki 2. What is MediWiki talk 3. What is interwiki
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 13:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Unique title, much?
  1. MediaWiki is the software that Wikipedia, the Scratch Wiki, Wikia, and a lot of other wikis run on. If you mean the MediaWiki: namespace, that is a namespace that controls interface text (e.g. MediaWiki:Scratchwikiskin-create controls the text of the "create" link in the header.)
  2. The MediaWiki talk: namespace is a normal talk namespace for discussion of the corresponding MediaWiki: page
  3. Interwiki is the thing on the left that says "Other languages" (see Scratch Wiki Home) for an example - it's a way to connect different language wikis.
Hope that answers the questions!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

The new header color

Those of you coming back to the Wiki may have noticed that the header at the top of the screen has changed - it is now a deep purple (#7953c4) rather than the previous light blue (#25aff4). This change was made at the request of the Scratch Team. Since the Wiki is no longer an MIT website, it must be changed to no longer look like one, so we decided to change the header color to differentiate the sites. Just giving y'all a heads up!

Note: There was a short time period where I messed up the colors and made the dropdown menus transparent and the button icons disappear. This was fixed almost immediately, but if you happened to load the Wiki during then please do a hard refresh.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:59, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

OwO I did notice that this when I came in. It seems more pleasing to the eye than the light blue too. I'm surprised that they required that though - perhaps they didn't want further legal trouble.
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 15:13, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
I came on to the wiki and was like where are the buttons!? "I'm losing my mind" I am glad I was wrong. :D Also might want to update the News section that there is a new header if the user does not notice. lol
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 21:23, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
I accept this change and when I first say it I was like “What just happened” :P. Anyway, maybe we can allow an option for users to change the header colour in their preferences page. In case people want to change the colour back. Idk it’s late where I am so...
290Scratcher (talk | contribs) 21:48, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to be adding a preference option within the week, hopefully :)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:20, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I think it looks good and you can easily see the difference, but also the connection to the main page. I also hope ST will do the bespoken redirects now soon. I suggest to have a purple „declaration of independence“ ;-) at the wikis start page for a period of time, so every scratch wiki user gets it. What do you think about this idea and how could the design of that „independence information box“ look like?
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:38, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I think we should have a disclaimer and privacy policy before we do that - by "declaring our independence" we are opening ourselves up to legal vulnerabilities unless we have those two. (BTW see #The header color is now a user preference option)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:52, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
I like the change. I am even keeping the current color as i like it.
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:59, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── If that's the case, then good for you. :) I set my header color back to the original so that I can tell when I'm logged out - if it's the normal color I'm logged out, if it's my color I'm logged in.

@Jakel181: Eh, not a bad idea - I'll do that later.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:31, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

disclaimer + privacy policy ready before having an „independence information box“ at start page: yes, I agree + also DMCA + Imprint...seems still a lot to do
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:34, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Do we need a DMCA? I feel like that could be included in the disclaimer.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I think it should be put back to regular blue. The purple looks pretty bad in my opinion.
Best_at_scratch2507 (talk | contribs) 21:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

It looks like you didn't read the entire thread. We were required to change the header color; if you don't like it you can set it in your preferences.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
23:17, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Unsigned post

What do you do if you you see an unsigned post?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:14, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

You put {{Unsigned|USERNAME OF PERSON WITH MISSING SIGNATURE}} where their signature is meant to be.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 23:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:55, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes Done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:58, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Protected Page Edit Request

At Scratch Wiki Home/News
Add [[ja:メインページ/ニュース]]
At Scratch Wiki Home/Featured Article
Add [[ja:メインページ/注目の記事]]

Thank you!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 08:29, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes Done
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:34, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

The header color is now a user preference option

Since everyone was so suddenly shocked by the header color change, I have implemented a suggestion from #The new header color: You can now set the header color you want in Special:Preferences. Logged out users will still see the new color.

To set the color, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering, and enter any CSS color into the "Header color:" box, and click save. Your header's color will be updated accordingly.

Those who want to translate the "Header color:" string, please submit a pull request to the GitHub repository with a new/updated i18n/xy.json.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:52, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Can someone make a color picker so it's easier to get a color thing?
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 00:51, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
I put something together to make it use a color picker. Does it work for you?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:51, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes it works. Thanks!
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 02:10, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Oh wow, I like the option to view it as vector now!
DownsGameClub (talk | contribs) 02:59, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

you can change the color in settings

NYCDOT (talk | contribs) I AM THE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 22:02, 15 March 2018 (UTC) 21:57, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Link to forum topic on account request

On the account request page there should be a link to this forum post made by Kenny2scratch
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Should there be a link? I'm not sure about that. I feel like most of the people who actually click the link will be people frustrated over "why was my request rejected?!?!?!!11//1/1??/1one?/slash!" - and we definitely don't want that topic to become a forum topic for rejection complaints.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:29, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

A Question

On this article in the external links it has a link to a discussion topic. Does that count as a external link?
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 17:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

No. It is only an external link if it leads to outside the Wiki, Wikipedia, or Scratch, so in this case, as it links to Scratch it does not need {{External Links}}.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 19:57, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
@DS, you misunderstood the question - there was a section named "External Links" at the bottom of the article which contained a single link to the subforum. Asqwde was asking whether that link should have been in an "External Links" section. It shouldn't have - so I've removed the section. Yes Done
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:26, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks both of you. In the future I will know I just wanted to check
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:57, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
@Kenny2Scratch Oh, okay. XD
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 15:48, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Some questions

Sorry for asking so many questions but here are some more:
1. Do Ew's / Admin have access to a private community portal? If not then how did the scratch team inform Kenny2scratch to change the header color as there was no comment on his profile?
2. Can pages protected as "indefinite" be unprotected?
3. How can you edit a page like preferences which is marked as special page as Kenny2scratch edited it when he allowed users to change the header color?
4. On the main website why is the link to the wiki in the footer still incorrect?
Sorry for all my questions :P
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 17:56, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

1. On the Wiki, we can see all the same content pages everyone else does. However, some of us do communicate with each other off-site. 2. Any page that has been protected can be unprotected at any time. 3. You can't edit it like a normal page. It requires either programming an extension or directly modifying the source code of MediaWiki. 4. That's just because the Scratch Team hasn't updated it yet.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:02, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Neh, I always ask questions haha
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 20:48, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks :P
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:56, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Deploying Huggle

Honestly, I have not seen so much vandalism on this wiki in forever. Huggle may help us fix these issues with less trouble. Huggle is basically software that undoes vandalism and unconstructive edits on those wikis that have deployed it. It may be better than just undoing and deleting revisions. Thoughts?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 20:58, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

How can it detect what is vandalism and what is harmless?
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 20:58, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
I know what Huggle is, and I honestly believe that a) it's unnecessarily powerful, it was made for a wiki where anonymous users can edit and b) it's not actually too hard to manually revert edits.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:58, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree with kenny2scratch
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 10:43, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
@Drunk Point, I believe it's a diff browser, so that means, uh, it shows rc? I don't know. @Kenneth a) Point, but we seem o be getting more and more vandalism. Firstly, [removed], then [removed]. Worse, it's in the space of less than a weel. b) Point.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 16:39, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Updating Skin Language + Design independently + Process-Docu

I think to multiply and mantain the new Wiki Skin - that I like very much (thanks kenny2scratch!!! :-) - in all international Wikis, it would be very good to completely separate language and design, so both could be updated separately, since both are changing independently. If new design introduces new language snippets, english should be the “fall back” until translation is done. So the design could be updated at all scratch wikis at once. There should also be a documented process how to translate and transfer updates of design and translation to a certain wiki. And there should be a complete explanation at tw:International-Scratch-Wiki-FAQ.
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:47, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't really know the best way to handle translations quickly. The Vector skin actually handles translations the same way as the SWS. There's no elegant solution that comes to mind.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:31, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
If it's not possible to define the Skin in a separate design + language file naturally, it could be a solution, to build a "translated skin creator" where you put in a "translation friendly skin file set" and a "translation file" and get back a "translated skin file set" of that language that you than can upload. It would be ingenious if people could use this "skin complier" via web-interface by downloading a "file to translate" and upload the "translated file" of their language. ('s sounding more and more like wikipedia:Pootle or wikipedia:Transifex for translating the mainsite, see: How_to_Translate_Scratch)
Mtwoll logo.jpg MartinWollenweber  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:26, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
The Scratch website still needs to regularly pull translations from Transifex, it's actually no better than us right now. I think webhooks would be the best thing to use, but it would require Arne to update linux permissions - I'll contact him when I need it.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:29, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Update: I have set up a GitHub webhook for the English wiki, and it turns out I don't need to set up file permissions with Arne after all - it works fine on its own.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Protect Page Edit (2nd)

Replace with User:Apple502j/Sandbox 2.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 11:56, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes Done - I edited it a bit before applying the changes, FYI.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

AbuseFilter Suggestion: Only Wikians can edit others' userpages

See the title.

Actually Wikians cannot, either, but there are some exceptions like "removing bad things". But abuse filter cannot check them, so I only restrict New Wikians. I also suggest to have {{permission}} template to detect if a page can be edited by any Wiki user. example: User:Apple502j/AbuseFilter
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 11:13, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Nice idea. Support!
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:20, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes Done Added by Kenny2scratch.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit23:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit protected page

on Scratch Wiki:elections where it says the note about the move in February 2018 shouldn't is say "appointed as bureaucrats" instead of "appointed bureaucrat"
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:26, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

No, it works perfectly well as it is currently.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 13:28, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
I changed it. It was unnecessarily wordy.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes Done
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 23:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Weird header

I had a weird header. A picture can be found here
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:41, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Did you use ?uselang=qqx? Those are the system message keys for the header text. If you weren't using qqx, what interface language do you have set?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:46, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
What do you mean? I din't change anything. The header just went blue and displayed that bu it is working now
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:48, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

User Page Glitch

Has anybody else noticed on their user page that if they press the spacebar, it deletes something?
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)I AM THE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21:14, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Can you tell us the userpage, your OS and browser? (When I do at Win7 64bit HomePremium Firefox 59.0.1, the page scrolled.)
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 23:52, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

What should we call the Scratch 3.0 player?

There are some player articles like Flash Player, Java Player, HTML5 Player. So what should we call the 3.0 player? HTML5 Player is different from Scratch 3.0. My opinion:

  1. Move HTML5 Player to HTML5 Player (2.0) and make it as HTML5 Player (3.0)
  2. WebGL Player
  3. Scratch 3.0 Player
  4. JavaScript Player (added 01:56, 18 March 2018 (UTC))

Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 23:50, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I thought the 3.0 Player used JavaScript?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:47, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
HTML5 Player does too
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 01:56, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
"React Player" might work too - the 3.0 editor uses ReactJs
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:10, 18 March 2018 (UTC)


Sometimes when i click the pencil thing it doesn't work so i have to reload the page for it to work.
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 17:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

This only seems to happen to me if the page isn't fully loaded yet (i.e. when the loading bar/circle/whatever disappears). If I wait for the page to load fully and nothing times out, then it works fine (currently using Firefox 58.0.2 on Windows 10).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:47, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Seems to glitch even if the page fully loaded for me
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 00:58, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
@Jacob B-b-but you use Ubuntu. :(
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 07:41, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Unbuntu? Is it Ubuntu?
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 08:05, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
I also have this problem occasionally. I don't really know what causes it - I suspect it has something to do with ResourceLoader and the way it loads scripts. If you could find a reproducible case, that would be great!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:24, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Occasionally i also have this problem
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 12:42, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Now it's not working at all
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 00:23, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Try doing a hard refresh - does that help?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:45, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 01:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
It's okay if I use the vector skin, but I don't really like it...
Ziggy741 (talk | contribs) 03:06, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Fix request: collapsible table out-of-order

We cannot use collapsible tables now. I found what is bad: MediaWiki:Common.js. We cannot use addOnloadHook. Replace it with window.onload=function(e){createCollapseButtons();}; or window.addEventListener("load",createCollapseButtons);
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 09:47, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes Done
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

The header buttons are now all menus

Those of you logging onto the Wiki after now might notice there's suddenly a little dropdown arrow next to all the header buttons. Click on it, and you'll find out why - the buttons are now dropdowns! The Create dropdown has links to create a project and a page; the Explore dropdown has links to explore projects and the Wiki (via Special:Random); the Discuss dropdown has links to the forums, the Wiki CP forum topic, and the CP; the Tips dropdown has links to the Scratch Tips page and the Wiki FAQ; and the About dropdown has links to pages about Scratch and about the Wiki.

Since all of this really squashes the search bar, I made it so that when the search bar is focused, it expands and fills up all the space, so that when searching you can still see what you're typing. Defocusing the search bar (i.e. clicking away) will make it return to normal size.

Tell me if there are any bugs, and hope y'all like it!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:15, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I love it! The only thing I would fix is if it is possible, make the sentences into 1 line.
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)NYCDOT 16:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
I like it as well and I agree with NYCDOT :P
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
"make the sentences into one line"? You mean break up this CP post into more lines?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:46, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
instead of

Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 00:53, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Please wait for merging this patch...
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 01:25, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Merged. Should be fixed now.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
01:40, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Yep, that's what I meant. Thank you!
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)
NYCDOT (talk | contribs) 20:12, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Block Levels

Here is a suggestion. To have block levels. When a user does something wrong their block level goes up. If their block level reaches 4 or higher then they get blocked on the wiki. When you do something wrong depending on wat you did (list down below) you get your block level higher. All block levels reset after 6 months.

Change block level by 1:

  • Editing another userpace (no warning given before)

Change block level by 2:

  • Editing another userpace (a warning was given before)
  • Vandalising other users' files
  • Turning off a bot without permission (no warning given before)

Change block level by 3:

  • Creating spam pages
  • Vandalising pages

Thoughts? Any other stuff to add?
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:53, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Hmm.. I think that this is a good idea but I think we need to give 5 chances and the block level will reset whenever a scratch wiki bureaucrat decides to unblock them.
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)NYCDOT 17:55, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
We basically kinda do that already. When we spot someone editing someone else's userspace, we usually just warn them on their talk page, since that doesn't warrant an immediate block. If they turn off WM without good reason (fyi WM is the only bot that can be turned off via a page), then that's considered vandalism - if it happens again within a short enough amount of time, it's a block. Editing userspace for the second time will likely get a more firm warning.
I don't think we need to organize blocks into levels. We already unconsciously have our own systems (though it's slightly different for each of us), and having this would likely confuse us.
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23:13, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Ken. Blocking is a process which should not be publicised, and so it would be best if whatever happened to get them blocked stays between the blocking Bureaucrat and the blocked user (hence why Special:Log/block is hidden). Blocking is also flexible policy and varies by user, and each case is different. It all depends on severity and impact.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 17:26, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
@Ken Don't tell them about the shadow government...
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:49, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Userspace creation speed

How often am I allowed to create userspace pages? Is there a limit, or can I create them as much as I like?
Hellounicorns2 (talk | contribs) 05:50, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

You shouldn't create them at all. This is a violation of the userspace policy. You may only create userspace pages under the circumstances that the user who created a page made a userpage under the wrong namespace, mainspace being the most common.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 09:39, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Sorry if I was unclear, I mean how often can I create pages on my own userspace? Thanks!
Hellounicorns2 (talk | contribs) 10:25, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
No limit.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j (Sleeping) Talk/Activities 1,331edit 10:31, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Ok, thanks!
Hellounicorns2 (talk | contribs) 10:40, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Neh, my bad for misunderstanding. Anyway, thanks apple for ninja'ing me.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits) 18:35, 24 March 2018 (UTC)