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Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,236edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Done.

Updated the list as the author.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,236edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Updated!
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,236edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Updated.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,236edit 14:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Logging server faults

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See dedicated subpage
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! April 29^th, 2021

Welcome to the 37^th Thankful Thursday! April 29^th, 2021.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Thankful Thursday

Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User	Thanks
jvvg (talk | contribs)	Thank you for improving the thumbnail-maker! Mlcreater (talk | contribs) 23:15, 1 March 2021 (UTC) Thank you for everything you do on the wiki. You patrol most of the edits, go through the account requests, be an owner of a bot, improving the thumbnail-maker, and everything else you do. Dogsmakemehappy (talk | contribs) 15:01, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Jammum (talk | contribs)	Thank you for your frequent edits, especially ones that are part of complicated topics because it shows your experience with Scratch and also shows how much you help the Scratch Wiki. Filmlover12 Talk Contribs Scratch 15:40, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
hiPeeps124816 (talk | contribs)	Thank you for paying such close attention to blocks on the wiki! play sound (Clapping v) until done Mlcreater (talk | contribs) 20:34, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Maximouse (talk | contribs)	Thank you for bringing Layer (value) up to date and generally helping with housekeeping around the Wiki! jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC) Thank you for fixing links to Change () Effect by () (block) Mlcreater (talk | contribs) 21:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
TheTrillion (talk | contribs)	Thank you for having interwiki'd so many references! Mlcreater (talk | contribs) 18:49, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Pennharlowe (talk | contribs)	Thanks for improving various explanations, especially a couple or so pertaining to programming. (And welcome!) Jonathan50 (talk | contribs) 05:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

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There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

”

The next TT is, May 27^th, 2021 see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:43, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:43, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

ScratchX on Scratch Extensions page

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I noticed that this page about Scratch Extensions contains a section about ScratchX, which doesn't work anymore as it requires Flash. Should I put the {{obsolete}} tag or write that it doesn't work anymore?
Kccuber (talk | contribs) 13:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, I would recommend to do both.
TheTrillion (talk | contribs) 14:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Are You Allowed to Include your ....

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... roblox username on you user page? Roblox users can allow anyone to chat them, not just their friends and so that could be linking un-modded chat.
Dogsmakemehappy (talk | contribs) 20:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

I think you've answered your own question. Feel free to report edits that introduce such information (go to page history, and click "report" next to "undo").
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  21:06, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

But Scratch itself does allow Roblox usernames (and links - post:4285551). There is even a forum topic full of people sharing their Roblox usernames: topic:5086
Maximouse (talk | contribs) 16:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, since Roblox has a very strict filter, too strict in many people's opinions (I can confirm this as I am an active player and have been for the last few years), and the private chat deletes messages with only one word filtered, correctly or incorrectly.
garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 15:43, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Adding on to what others have said, "discord" is censored, and users under 13 years of age cannot send or recieve private messages (excluding your automated welcome message and news), and users over 13 years of age can control if everyone, friends or no-one can send them messages. However users of all ages can "friend" each other, and can chat with each other. However, as @garnetluvcookie mentioned, Roblox has a very strict filter so that shouldn't too much of a worry.
  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,409 contributions • Scratch  00:28, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Can we make all dicussions be on separate pages?

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This scratch wiki forum is so cluttered up
PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs) 19:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

 No support. Discussions which only relate to a certain page can be kept on that page, but other discussions that relate to the whole wiki need a central place for discussion. The main page? No, as talk pages for main pages should deal only with issues relating to the main page.
Dhuls (Talk|621 Contributions|Scratch) 20:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, separating them and transforming the Portal into a decentralized one will make it worse, and that's actually why we have a portal: to discuss everything about the wiki on a determined space, to enable that everyone is able to participate discussions and noticing it on a faster speed, as well as acting as a noticeboard for important updates on software, wiki rules, etc. The Community Portal is also frequently archived for finished discussions to not to do it too way cluttered. Not to mention that there is a table of contents for finding the topic you're looking for.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, the table's really really long...
PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs) 22:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Please make an article for making the painter's 3D algothrim

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It's so non-laggy and high quality But the worst things are:

1. I can't write an article for it because it's too long to build

2. Even if I was able to make it, I don't know how to make the painter's 3D algothrim

PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs) 22:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello?
PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs) 16:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

A draft namespace suggestion

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I think there should be a new namespace (similar to Wikipedia's Draft: namespace) for mostly incomplete pages or for pages that have the Wiki Standards template and need a lot of edits to the entire page to meet editing guidelines. Such namespace could be called Draft:, WIP: or something similar.  
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 15:55, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

A good idea- in theory. I don't really know how this works, and there might not be enough articles to count for the namespace. Maybe let someone more experienced handle this.

ILikeProggraming123 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

As ILikePRoggramming123 said, I don't think we have enough articles to justify this, though this could be a chicken and egg problem (i.e. people don't create drafts because there's no "official" way to do so). For now our system seems to be create an article at Article Name/Draft for drafts, or alternatively your user sandbox.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:01, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) If you don't know how this works, try checking out wikipedia:Project:Draft.
Dhuls (Talk|621 Contributions|Scratch) 00:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

My suggestion for a Draft namespace (based on Wikipedia's) is for articles that are expected to be actual articles soon (so incomplete tutorials and pages that need a lot of work before it meets wiki guidelines) that other users can edit (so Draft pages should follow all rules of mainspace pages, including notability guidelines (draft pages on subjects which are not notable enough could still be moved to userspace)). The namespace could be used to store pages that need some more editing before being presentable, with the title the article is expected to have with a Draft: prefix.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 06:10, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

November Featured Images

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Hello everyone! It's time to decide on featured images for November. If you have any suggestions, please leave them below.

What can I suggest?

You can suggest any image(s) on the English Scratch Wiki that have not been featured previously.

How do I tell if an image has already been featured?

It will have the {{featured}} template on it, shown as a star icon in the top right corner of the image page.

Is there a limit to the number of images I can suggest?

No. However, please don't suggest too many...
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

How about this or this?
  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,409 contributions • Scratch  00:57, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

This?
Petaldancer66 (talk | contribs) 01:28, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

How about this?
wangat talk • contribs • profile 13:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

 Updated
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

"Scratch Contributors (disambiguation)" page?

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I recently spoke with jvvg who thought that adding a disambiguation for the page Scratch Contributors was a good idea. That article is mainly about people who've made significant contributions to Scratch. However, I was thinking of having a disambiguation that shows all areas of Scratch you can contribute (ex. SDS, SWC, FPC, etc.). Thoughts? (I originally posted this on the page's discussion page, but never got a response, so I thought I'd bring it up here.)
wangat talk • contribs • profile 16:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Since nobody has "objected", and since that jvvg believes this is a fairly decent idea, I guess I'll create the page.
wangat talk • contribs • profile 20:49, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Proposal for new scratch:explore style content-actions tabs

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Hi all,

There is a new proposal for "page", "discussion", etc. tabs currently found in the pencil menu to be included in tabs at the top of the page (which could be instead of or in addition to the pencil menu) in the style of the Scratch Explore page.

The pull request, which includes mock-up screenshots, can be found here: https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/ScratchWikiSkin2/pull/95 However, please keep discussion that isn't code review on this topic.

There are several things that still need discussion:

1. Is this change even necessary?

   I think so, because this location for the actions is a click less.

2. Should these tabs replace the pencil menu?

   I think not, because the original explore tab design is unfortunately not very accessible at all... The contrast is simply far too low. The original menu can remain as a more accessible alternative.

   However, it's also not completely out of the question to mildly modify the tabs to be more accessible.

   1. If so, should the pencil now-button remain (perhaps as a quick edit button) or be removed completely?
3. Should this be made a user preference?
   1. If so, opt-in or out?
4. Current behavior is to still not have these tabs (i.e. hide them) for anonymous users. Is this ideal?

   I'd say so: readers won't be using those links and it would only be visual clutter for them (while being convenient for editors).

This is a major change to Wiki interface design, so I would appreciate as much community input as possible.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

I like the idea; it definitely creates a 3.0 feel on the Wiki, which helps to match the main site. This does make it easier to do things like watch pages, go to a talk page, etc., since you don't need to click the pencil icon. I feel like in Preferences, there should be an option to toggle the "buttons" to pencil and back; not just fixed. For New Wikians, I think it'd be beneficial to have the icons as default, as they are, as you said, easier to use.
20px wangat talk • contribs • profile 20:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Just to confirm that I understand you properly, this means your answers to my questions are the following? 1. Yes 2. Unspecified 3. Yes 3.1. Opt out for New Wikians 4. Unspecified
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

My thoughts are: 1. It may not be strictly "necessary" but it definitely is helpful, it will make the interface easier to understand since it may not be obvious to new users to use the pencil menu. 2. I think we should retain the pencil menu for backwards compatibility. 3. Might as well, I would go with opt-out. 4. I'm not sure, since anonymous users may still want to see the talk page or be able to view the source, and they're the least likely to know about the pencil menu. Also, two other comments: I think it may be worth including icons and an alternate display would be like "projects" and "studios" instead of the categories. Not 100% sure how we'd be able to integrate that with the Wiki UI, but imo it might look a bit better and would help with the contrast issues.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright, it has been made an opt-out preference. The "projects" and "studios" tabs would make the whole thing far too tall - it would evict most of the page content and leave very little to be seen without scrolling.

However, there are issues with other languages - see this comment. Any other suggestions or is my current solution as good as it gets in your opinion?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  06:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think this is necessary, though it is definitely useful. And it does help explain what certain buttons do (like the rename button).

I think that the pencil menu should remain. I personally don't quite like this idea and I don't doubt that there might be others that wouldn't be interested in this idea either. Nevertheless, it does sound as if this would be useful for New Wikians since, I assume, most would already be used to a more 3.0 skin rather than 2.0. I agree with the opt-out option because of this. (If possible, maybe make a banner for those who may want to opt out for a short duration).

Anonymous users won't need all of the buttons, but certain buttons may be useful for them: Project page and discussion button and the edit button.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:42, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for suggesting this, Ken; it is an interesting change to the layout. That said, I personally do not think it is necessary, nor do I think it should be the default layout if it is added.

I don't follow the thought process of the users who think it should be added because it might be easier for New Wikians. Learning how to use the wiki's interface is an inherent part of learning how to use the wiki, and I don't think that learning that you can access editing tools through the pencil icon adds a significant impediment to this learning process. I think many users probably see the pencil icon, think "oh, this is a pencil icon, I can probably use this to edit the page," and then realize that they can access other editing tools (such as page history and talk pages) through the pencil icon after they've clicked it. In my experience, when new users join the wiki, they usually seem to have the most trouble with aspects of the wiki such as indenting on talk pages. I don't see many users asking how to access the editing interface, probably because they likely realize right off the bat that they can access it through the pencil icon.

I also don't understand why the editing tools need to be able to be accessed through one click instead of two. It makes sense that something like rollback should be able to be accessed through one click because of its urgent nature (although I and several other EWs have two-click rollback enabled anyway to avoid accidental clicks). However, I don't think that accessing the editing interface or viewing the history of a page have this time-sensitive nature. In my opinion, having two clicks instead of one to, say, move or edit a page does not add a significant enough amount of time to the moving or editing process to warrant this change.

I feel that this change would add unnecessary clutter to the interface. That said, Smrman's suggestion on GitHub of using icons does make it less cluttered.

For the reasons outlined above, if this is implemented, I feel that it should be opt-in and that the current layout should stay as the default.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Short answers to the questions asked on the top of discussion:

1. (1 & 2) Depends. The pencil icon is widely adapted and documented, and this change shall not make it automatically obsolete. I'd compare the situation with new Vector vs. the old Vector.
2. (3 & 4) The buttons should definitely be opt-out during adaptation process. However, I think that it may be opt-in once it's widely adapted by the community. The buttons are also shouldn't be enabled for anonymous readers, as long as it's intended for editing. Though, I think it may be possible to make an "anon-user only" or "light" version with fewer buttons and removing the editing buttons at all. But again, this should also be opt-out while getting feedback from the users, as this is a major change on the appearance of the wiki.

 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  07:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

bigpuppy honestly i forgot the pencil icon even exists as a vector user, i was sat there for ages trying to figure how to access a page from its talk page
banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,153)) 09:21, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Bigpuppy, I think the problem of the pencil menu is an opaque one - it's easy to figure out, but it needs to be figured out, as opposed to something that's obviously right there in front of you. It's an unnecessary friction in the learning process. Also, if we stick to the current behavior of it being shown to users and not viewers, then New Wikians logging in for the first time will conspicuously see the tabs appear after they have logged in, and thus be invited to try using them, as opposed to there being no visible change to the pencil menu without clicking on it to check.

I think the icons smrman suggested are probably the way forward, so hopefully that minimizes clutter as well. Keep in mind the screenshots I posted are from an admin account - regular users will have two fewer tabs to use, which should again not be quite so cluttered. If you as an admin feel that it's too cluttered for you, you can opt out personally; but most people here seem to not find it quite as much of an issue.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I think that the buttons would clutter up the interface, espically on small screens, when there is already a way to acess various pages or actions related to the page, which isn't too complicated to acess or to show to new users. However, I noticed there is a commit to remove it on mobile, but it would still impact small screens on computers.

I also noticed text being replaced with icons, which means it takes time to figure out which icons do what, unlike the pencil menu which says what each button does clearly because it says what each button does. It doesn't need time to be figured out. But, if text is used, people will understand which buttons do what faster, but then it takes up more space. But the pencil icon's buttons don't take up much space and are understandable. So, I think they should not be added. If it does get added, I think it should be opt-in.
  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,409 contributions • Scratch  00:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't think this would change the Wiki experience significantly but I could live with either way. I would recommend though not to go for complicated opt-in/opt-out constructions since it would mean having to support (and test) two versions of the user interface in the future which would be an unnecessary effort IMO. In any case I appreciate the lifely and constructive discussion. You may count my vote as an undecided, I'm looking forward to the outcome though.
Frodewin (talk | contribs) 13:44, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

More Cross-wiki Related Extensions?

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How about we add some more extensions that enhance the multi-wiki editing experience?
1. CentralAuth
This would allow a user to log into all wikis with just one password. It would also allow a user with an account on one wiki to get an account on all wikis, which may help other wikis. Username conflicts are unlikely, since all account names are linked with Scratch accounts.
2. GlobalPreferences
This would allow a user to set their preferences for all wikis, instead of having to change them all manually. Local exceptions exist, so if a user wants a setting different on one wiki, but the same for all others, they can do so.
3. GlobalWatchlist
This allows users to have one common watchlist for all wikis.
4. GlobalUserPage
By setting a userpage on a central wiki (probably twiki), a user can have a user page on all wikis they don't have a local userpage for.
5. GlobalCssjs
Allows a user to have custom CSS and custom JS for all wikis, instead of having to change it all manually.
What do you all think?
Dhuls (Talk|621 Contributions|Scratch) 00:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

My thoughts: 1. It's intentional that each Wiki has its own account system. We require that all contributors here be reasonably proficient in English (which we determine with the account request system), and likewise other Wikis require you be proficient in those languages. Additionally, unifying the accounts of all the Wikis would be very difficult. 2-5. This would be nice but won't work without either using CentralAuth or developing our own system to have a centralized ID, which would be possible but probably a significant amount of work (though I will bring this up with other developers for further investigation).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Additionally, adding CentralAuth would require changes to how the account request system works (specifically how we create accounts using CentralAuth), and I don't see a way in CentralAuth to have an account selectively enabled on specific Wikis. If we can find a way to selectively enable accounts on certain Wikis, then we may be able to make this work (we would need to reprogram the account request system to create an account if one does not exist at all, and enable it on the relevant Wiki if one does already exist).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

bro, wikitext has list formatting

# item one
#:elaboration as necessary
# another

Anyway - responding to each in turn:

1. Rejected by design - you cannot be an editor on another wiki unless you are proficient in that wiki's language (as judged by their specific account request process), or are entitled to access for administrative purposes.
2. I would support this if there was a way to do it without CentralAuth. If the method jvvg describes (modding both CA and CA) is the only way to make GlobalPreferences work, then it's not worth the effort. Also, most people do not have accounts on multiple wikis, and even those who do typically visit a particular one the most, so the actual use cases for this are fairly limited.
3. This doesn't even make sense. Different wikis have different pages. Just add the pages to your local watchlists.
4. This is similar to GlobalPreferences in that it's a nice-to-have but unlikely to be worth the effort given the difficulty and limited use cases.
5. Same as above, but even more limited use cases since few people on these wikis use user CSS/JS.

I do appreciate the ideas, and the extensions are quite useful on sites like Wikipedia which freely welcome cross-wiki contribution, but we are not Wikipedia and we segregate the languages much more strongly. I don't really see these extensions being added any time soon.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:31, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

New Article about Database Works

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There should be an article regarding the database works (where the Scratch Team moved the comment database between servers) on the Wiki. I think it should be located at Database Works. Hope I was helpful for y'all.
EddyTheFox12 (talk | contribs) 16:43, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it's all that notable (in the end from an end-user perspective nothing changed and the disruption was fairly short-lived). In my opinion, it's worth a mention in Scratch Timeline and maybe Comment (website feature) but not its own article.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

This article is not going to be created anytime soon. The so-called "database works" also happens in the Wiki, but not even all of them worth mentioning. (notable ones usually go to their respective articles with regards to the related topic) For example, we also often do not record when the Scratch website was down, and don't have a separate page for that.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done
EddyTheFox12 (talk | contribs) 14:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Proposal for quick FAQ links

Resolved (since 00:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC))

We have a lot of FAQ pages on the wiki and all of them have pretty long names. Since they're FAQs and definitely do get linked around a lot, I was thinking that we could have a quick link for FAQ pages. For example, What happens if a project is false reported? can be made as FAQ:FR. It's definitely much more memorable and easier to link. We can also have another category for these links too: Category:FAQ Shortcuts. What do you all think?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:59, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I support this, it would make linking these a lot easier on the forums. A few others that might be useful would be FAQ:UNBAN for How do users get unbanned?, FAQ:SIG for How are forum signatures changed?, etc.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:15, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I also support this idea because it would be easier to link to them. Also, I created a page in my userspace with my suggestions for shortcuts for most of the FAQ pages (some can be changed, added or removed if needed).
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

+1
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Also, if this suggestion were to happen, I think a few shortcut creations and them being marked on their corresponding FAQ pages could happen gradually over a few days to release strain and clogging on Recent Changes.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 06:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't have to happen immediately. I do think that some sort of agreement must come before adding a shortcut to a page because there could be various different names used instead. We can use Jammum's list as a place to get started though.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ We've gotten several supporters and nobody has expressed any opposition, so I say we go ahead with this.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

How will we go about this? Will there be a discussion about the name for different FAQ pages? Or do we just start converting the FAQs to their shortcuts based on Jammum's list? We can also move his list to a mainspace (or FAQ?) as a list of all the shortcuts and their paired page.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:32, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I think just start creating them. Honestly there isn't much discussion to be had.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I see a bunch of shortcuts already created. Yay!

Also, should we use the {{shortcut}} template for the shortcuts?

And another idea I randomly had, should the regular faq pages go to the FAQ space as well? Since they're "FAQs" as well?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  23:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Using {{shortcut}} would be good. The FAQ: prefix is actually not a namespace (similar to how S: isn't), they're still technically mainspace.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:07, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

December Featured Images

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Hello everyone! It's time to decide on featured images for December. If you have any suggestions, please leave them below.

What can I suggest?

You can suggest any image(s) on the English Scratch Wiki that have not been featured previously.

How do I tell if an image has already been featured?

It will have the {{featured}} template on it, shown as a star icon in the top right corner of the image page.

Is there a limit to the number of images I can suggest?

No. However, please don't suggest too many...
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:30, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

How about this or this?
  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,409 contributions • Scratch  00:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok, let’s try this again... How about this or this?
wangat talk • contribs • profile 21:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Link in the footer

Resolved (since 01:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC))

Hi everyone. On the Wiki footer, under Legal, the second link (Disclaimers). It leads to a German Wiki page, which, using the limited German I know & some help from Google Translate, is the Terms of Use page for the de-wiki. Not sure if this is a bug, or intentional. Could an admin respond to this? Thanks!
wangat talk • contribs • profile 19:09, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

This is intentional. The terms of use are legally binding and since the legal owner of the Wiki is German, the legal documents (also including our privacy policy and a few other things) are also in German. If we provided a translation in English it would have to come with the disclaimer that it is only for informational purposes and not legally binding, with the German version remaining legally binding (the Scratch Terms of Use comes with a similar disclaimer saying that the English version is legally binding with any other languages being for informational purposes only). The reason we do not have a non-legally binding English translation at all is that nobody has translated it into English at all.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:54, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!
wangat talk • contribs • profile 01:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion: Warn users if they add first or second person pronouns to an article

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I think it is very common for more newer users to use first or second person articles to mainspace articles, even though not doing so is part of the guidelines (implying that that section might have been skimmed over) So, I think users should be warned in the editor if they introduce non-third person articles, explaining that the wiki is supposed to look professional and that third person pronouns must be used.

Since quotes and reference citations must be put in articles as it was originally written (unless it needs to fit the Scratch Guidelines), and articles like My Blocks have to use the word 'my', I think a template should be used to mark where it is okay to puy first and second person pronouns (and would not be triggering a warning) or what is used to detect the pronouns could skip over quotes and references as well as the template.

I think AbuseFilter can warn users if a certain condition is met, but there might be a chance warning users for using these pronouns in mainspace articles could be a bit too complex.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:16, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

 No support This would be very difficult to implement. The only real tool we have for this is AbuseFilter which relies on regex, which is a fairly blunt instrument and it would be very difficult to catch all the edge cases for something this complex (and it doesn't help that the word "I" is a single letter, making it all the more difficult to distinguish from legitimate uses), and building a custom extension that actually looks at the parse tree would also be ridiculously overkill for this. Also I think it would be an unnecessary burden on editors to require them to include a template just to say it's ok to use first/second-person pronouns. We also do have a few exceptions where articles are written in first/second pronouns for various reasons, including some cases in tutorials as well as articles like What should I do about unfriendly comments?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

"Long page" template

Resolved (since 18:18, 12 November 2021 (UTC))

Maybe there should be a long page warning template that will appear on huge pages like List of Block Workarounds. I think this will be helpful. The template could be located at Template:Long page. (When this problem will resolved, we'll try to create the template page.)
EddyTheFox12 (talk | contribs) 11:48, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

How would this be helpful? Telling a user that a page is long doesn't really add anything. Warning them would basically discourage them from viewing that page.
wangat talk • contribs • profile 14:30, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

But some wikis use such a template. You know, extremely complex wiki pages can cause performance issues if you have slow Internet connection. Well, maybe.
EddyTheFox12 (talk | contribs) 15:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

By the time the user is opening a page, it's too late to warn them in terms of performance issues, so it won't help in that regard. I also don't really see any other value in warning users about long pages, they'll be able to tell pretty quickly how long a page is in terms of difficulty reading, and if a page is just a lot of text it won't cause performance issues anyway (list of block workarounds uses scratchblocks which involves a lot of client-side logic which is the main reason it's a fairly slow page). And, as wangat said, this will discourage users from viewing pages simply because they are long. (Side note: I expressed support for splitting up the list of block workarounds but the community consensus was not to do so)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:44, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I guess long page template will be completely useless on the Scratch Wiki. I feel like I came here just to annoy you, Scratch Wiki contributors. But this is already  Done (or isn't it?).
-unsigned comment by EddyTheFox12 (talk | contribs)

Scratch Site 404

Resolved (since 20:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC))

So... I just went to Scratch.mit.edu and it shows 404...
I need to finish a school work for tomorrow on it. Anyone know what is happening ?
im so ded

Scratcheur-2020Send (talk | contribs) 19:41, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

It works fine for me...
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Proposal: Create a citation template specifically for archives and web link, maybe running a bot for archiving links

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Hi folks, I've been thinking about the possibility of standardization for more citations. The wiki has {{Cite post}} already, but not an uniform scheme for external links or archives, which could be easily done with a template.

• As another idea separate from the above, I think that there would be a bot that archives/looks to the archives and puts the archived link into template. That would probably require more extensive and exhaustive work which wouldn't be worth for this wiki, but also would help to not have link rots and keep us off from tedious archiving.

What do you think about it?
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  17:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! November 25^th, 2021

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Welcome to the 38^th Thankful Thursday! November 25^th, 2021.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Thankful Thursday

Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User	Thanks
jvvg (talk | contribs)	Thanks for letting me have a wiki account! bobcat0701 (talk | contribs)
Jammum (talk | contribs)	Thanks for renaming many pages with incorrect page title names to make them correct! TheTrillion (talk | contribs) 22:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
TheTrillion (talk | contribs)	Thank you for being so active and helpful! People like you are integral to any successful wiki, and I am thankful for you. bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Queer_Royalty (talk | contribs)	Wow, you joined the wiki ready to help! Thanks for contributing so many helpful edits to the wiki so far, and I hope you continue! bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:06, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for contributing so much! Your contributions are greatly appreciated. I hope you continue to edit the wiki! bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Petaldancer66 (talk | contribs)	Thank you for contributing to the April Fools' pages to make them funnier and better!   TheTrillion • Talk • 2,409 contributions • Scratch  02:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
dhuls (talk | contribs)	Thank you for being active and helpful! Also, congratulations on 300 edits.   TheTrillion • Talk • 2,409 contributions • Scratch  21:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
dullbananas (talk | contribs)	Thank you for making those Elm tutorials!   TheTrillion • Talk • 2,409 contributions • Scratch  21:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC) I second TheTrillion's comment. It's always great to see new language tutorials! bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:51, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

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There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

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The next TT is, December 23^th, 2021 see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Question

Resolved (since 07:41, 26 November 2021 (UTC))

Im wondering if I can add a page with a list of some disrespectful scratchers that have thousands of reports yet have not been banned. I think it will help because it would make more scratchers find out about them and report them, so that ST can ban them for being disrespectful. PS they were disrespectful because they were impersonating others and leaking stuff that the actual people begged to not be leaked.

Thanks!
Joshua-ballesteros (talk | contribs) 05:41, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Such list would not be allowed because its main purpose would be to 'name and shame' or gossip about other Scratchers. Also, because such list would include Scratchers with "thousands of reports", this would be impossible because only the Scratch Team has access to report data and would refuse to disclose it to anyone else. Therefore, anything on the list would be completely speculative and unverifiable.

Overall, such list would be breaking the "Help keep the site friendly" part of the Community Guidelines, especially the part saying not to be "spreading rumors about other people’s behavior".
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:41, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Elections & Appointments

Resolved (since 15:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC))

It's been so long since we've had an Election and an Appointment.
CodeLearnerSai (talk | contribs) 06:40, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

As stated at Scratch Wiki:Elections, elections are held "as deemed necessary by the current administrators." The current wiki administration has not determined that there is a need for new Experienced Wikians or administrators/bureaucrats at this time. If that changes, an election will be held or new administrator(s)/bureaucrat(s) will be appointed.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 06:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

For more information, please see some FAQ about this.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Flawed Article Changing Soon

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Hello everyone,
We are planning to put the new Flawed Article into effect on December 5^th (a week from today). If anyone has further changes that you think should be made to the article, please post them on its talk page. Please try not to suggest new flaws, however; there are already quite a few. Thanks!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)