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Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,190edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Done.

Updated the list as the author.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,190edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Updated!
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,190edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

 Never Done

See dedicated subpage
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Misdirected Request error

 Moved to Scratch Wiki:Bugs
Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I have this problem too, also on an iPad. I might have gotten it on my computer before, but I don't remember.
----  Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,562)  Scratch  Directory  11:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

It happened on my Windows desktop just today. I think the Wifi disconnected when the screen turned off, maybe something similar happened to the iPads?
Jettypumpkin07 (talk | contribs) 11:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically

 Not done
It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

TemplatesFTW already does that; or do you mean a different way of automating it?
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...
ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@ContourLines — you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, S:STYLE says not to use the external link markup (see #internal-scratch-links). You can use [[users:USERNAME]] for users, [[studios:ID]] for studios, and [[projects:ID]] for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to S:STYLE (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot.
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

How to Connect to the Physical World Is really outdated

How to Connect to the Physical World is really outdated.
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Please use internal links for links to other Scratch Wiki pages. As for this, maybe you could try to update part of it yourself?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jammum Thank you for pointing out the usage of an external link. I've corrected the formatting so that @GrahamSH can see how it is done correctly (@Jammum please wait for an EW/administrator to correct if you see this elseware). @GrahamSH I would ask that you be more specific in the types of changes that we should collaborate in order to accomplish. Thanks
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 17:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Would it possible to prevent users from using external links to wiki pages in the AbuseFilter?

Question is in title. If this were to be implemented (if it even is possible), would it apply to all non-userspace or just mainspace?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 10:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

It's possible but I would never do this because sometimes there's a legitimate use for external links. Possibly an AbuseFilter warning, rather than disallow?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I am asking about disallowing external links to other Scratch Wiki pages, not all external links.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 09:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

There is sometimes a legitimate use for external links to the Scratch Wiki, e.g.: [1]

Unless you're just talking about content pages. Still, though, there are probably some special cases where disallowing it would be inconvenient. A warning might be good, though.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

The fullurl template can be used for some of those links that cannot be linked normally, so does that solve the problem?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 07:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Allowing borders in custom sigs

I think we should allow borders in custom signatures. S:CSIG states that there shouldn't be borders in custom sigs, but so many people already have it in their signatures (kenny2scratch, 12944qwerty, EIephant_Lover, Dominic305, ahmetlii, ContourLines, ajsya, etc.) As long as the border isn't needlessly large or flashy, I believe it's fine.
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  03:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't recall whether the rule disallows all borders. In either case, though, this is a conflict of interest because I see you have borders in your signature too...

I agree, but then again I have borders already as well. I'd prefer if some people without borders contributed an opinion.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I think it's fine as long as it's not too large or draws any extra attention to the signature. I'm not sure how large "too large" would be though.
Groko13 / talk / contribs 15:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree too; I think also as long as it doesn't break lines (like text shadows) it should be allowed. But I'm biased too because I use them :P
----  Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,562)  Scratch  Directory  16:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! August 27^th, 2020

Welcome to the 31^st Thankful Thursday! August 27^th, 2020.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Thankful Thursday

Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User	Thanks
EXAMPLE (talk | contribs)	Thank you for Unix time! Example (talk | contribs) 00:00, 1 January 1970 (UTC)
Groko13 (talk | contribs)	Thank you for pointing out the error in my TT post! Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)	Thank you for fixing the error in my TT post! Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
ContourLines (talk | contribs)	Thank you for suggesting to merge the EV3 page because I think it was a good desicion to suggest it. Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 08:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)	Thank you for adding templates to articles frequently! It has really helped! ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 07:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC) Thanks for adding all of the RPi blocks, you really helped the wiki a lot.  VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:36, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)	Thank you for always being kind when telling someone about a mistake and always using a smiley emoticon at the end of your posts! ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 08:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC) Thank you for showing me how to format posts correctly. Acebsa (talk | contribs) 20:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs)	Thank you for hosting the wiki, we wouldn't be here without you.  VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  20:44, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)	Thanks for purposefully triggering a mute!  VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  02:53, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

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There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

”

The next TT is, September 25^th, see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 00:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done
<scratchsig>Jakel181 (talk | contribs)

Time for some more...images that will be featured!

 Not done

I don't know, I had to think of another title idea.

If you have any ideas for featured images, feel free to post them below!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I think we should feature an image of the S:CPND discussion that suggests adding a designated page for featured image suggestions.

I think that this image is nice, but perhaps we should update it (and the other images on Scratch Statistics).
Groko13 / talk / contribs 03:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm thinking this image is good enough to be featured.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  07:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Groko13 — yes.

How about File:Flag as Inappropriate.png?
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

+1, but first change the file's name with a consensus.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  16:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

(Update: File:Flag as Inappropriate.png is now File:Report Project.png.)
bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

File:Flag as Inappropriate.png also needs to be updated, the report button was moved.
----  Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,562)  Scratch  Directory  01:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘+1 for the report project image!
@Dominic305 Added the template to File:Report Project.png. Someone can update it if they wish.
TenType (talk | contribs) 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

 Updated
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  18:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

RfC about the usage of fixed with in ScratchWikiSkin2

Hello all. As you may have noticed, ScratchWikiSkin2 seems to used a fixed width (similar to Fandom's Oasis skin), as a holdover from previous skins designed to look similar to scratch.mit.edu -- however, I and several other users have noticed an increasing number of problems using fixed width. Fixed widths generally leave a large amount of the screen entirely unused, and show a small amount of the page content. It also introduces design problems that rely on fixed width and break for some users. The current, fixed width style, looks a bit like this. I am proposing to use free-styled width based on the screen resolution (a mockup something like [ https://i.imgur.com/UEd14yX.png this], ignore the blue line, that is accidental and will not be shown in the final version). This allows for a larger content space, as well as making the view more consistent across skins. Please let me know if you support or oppose this proposal.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: I would also appreciate if all could specify what skin they use when commenting? (The information is helpful, most are likely either using ScratchWikiSkin2 or Vector, but others like me primarily use Monobook).
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 01:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I support. Fixed width looks terrible. (Reply to the addendum: I use SWS2)
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  01:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

(SWS2 user) Consistency across skins is completely irrelevant - consistency with the Scratch website is more important. We use fixed width to emulate the mainsite, which does the same. If you want free width, you can make a user CSS file for it.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

I personally am of the belief that consistency with the Scratch website is "completely irrelevant" -- this is a third party site with different needs and goals. This is where a lot of the design has been poured into as well, such as by changing the header to a different color. There does indeed appear to be support for increasing the width apart from Kenny2scratch's comment. However, custom CSS files are not relevant here as what is being discussed is not personal views (I use Monobook) but what would actually improve the skin, primarily to those logged out and browsing the wiki.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 17:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the above statement. I have an ebic gamer HD monitor, and SWS2 is tiny on my monitor. There are at least 500 pixels of free space. It almost looks like it was designed for a tablet (it fits perfectly on iPadOS). This is the reason why I use Vector because it takes up almost all of my monitor space. You technically could make a CSS script for it, but the majority of users here (not everyone) don't know any other programming languages and/or markup languages than Scratch.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

If you like Vector, use Vector. If you like SWS2 enough to keep using it but also want non-fixed width, then use user CSS. For those not logged in, fixed width is what they get, because that's what they'll be used to from the Scratch website. I don't consider fill width an improvement, only a matter of preference. Find me examples of people (who have no relation to you) actually asking for fill width SWS on, say, the forums, and then it'll be more worth considering.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  15:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

I support. While garnetluvcookie said it looks like it's designed for a tablet, personally I prefer setting zoom to 75% or 85% on most pages. However setting the zoom on the Wiki causes content to get squished and lots of tables (including on File: pages) to overflow into the empty space. And on my 1080p display, it looks like a site designed for computers from 2009.
----  Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,562)  Scratch  Directory  17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Centralized Cross-Wiki Discussion

Hi everyone,

Since all of the various Scratch Wikis are hosted on the same server and part of a common community, they have a number of things in common, including outreach efforts (such as Wiki Wednesday) and technical aspects. This means that some changes (especially technical ones) will affect all wikis, not just the Wiki for one language. We usually like to seek community feedback before implementing major changes, but currently there is no centralized place to do that between all languages. As a result, changes either do not get community input at all or just get input from the community for one language (usually English, i.e. this one). We do have the Test Wiki for both new language-specific Wikis off the ground and coordinating cross-wiki stuff.

Therefore, I propose making it so anyone who has an account on any language-specific Wiki may have an account on the Test Wiki (you would still need to request it, but you can just say "I have an account on [language] Wiki") and that we host all cross-Wiki discussions there. Announcements for any major discussions would still be posted on the English Community Portal so everybody remains aware of any active discussions without having to check the Test Wiki Recent Changes.

Thoughts, everyone?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea. Probably because I helped with writing the proposal, but good!
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 01:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I also think this is a great idea! It's important that we have a place for conveniently discussing matters that involve all the wikis, and this would provide that place.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree with this as well!
Groko13 / talk / contribs 01:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Handy links to the discussions on the other wikis about this:

• German: de:Scratch-Wiki Diskussion:Gemeinschafts-Portal#Zentralisierte Cross-Wiki-Diskussion
• Indonesian: id:Pembicaraan Scratch-Indo-Wiki:Portal Komunitas#Diskusi Lintas-Wiki Terpusat
• Russian: ru:Обсуждение Скретч Вики:Портал сообщества#Централизованное кросс-вики-обсуждение
• Japanese: ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場#一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション
• Dutch: nl:Dutch Scratch-Wiki:Gebruikersportaal#Gecentraliseerde cross-wiki-discussie
• French: (no discussion as of posting)
• Hungarian: (no discussion as of posting)
• Test: (no discussion as of posting)

The discussions on the other wikis link back here (since jvvg used Google Translate to translate this version into each language). I wanted to post these here so that the users reading this topic can see what the users on other wikis think about this idea.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

This idea would benefit a lot. Also, I have a question about this: would the cross-wiki discussion be separate from the Test Wiki community portal, or would they be on the same page.

I also wrote earlier in a probably now archived topic that I was not planning to join the test wiki, but if this gets implemented, I might join to take part in those discussions.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

The French Scratch Wiki now has a discussion about this here: fr:Discussion Scratch Wiki en Français:Accueil de la Communauté#Centralized Scratch Wiki Discussions
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, the discussion on the Japanese Scratch Wiki was moved to this page: ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場/一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I have another question about this idea: if this were to happen, would any language be used (I myself do not speak any language other than English fluently) or will only English be used in cross-wiki discussions?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 17:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I support, even though I already have a test wiki account . Also, we should consider modifying common.js so it shows "Test" rather than "Twi" in the left sidebar, but I'll add that as a proposal to the new Test Wiki CP when it's set up.
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  19:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ (Level of indentation is to reply to OP) Question about the Request on Test Wiki thing; I have moved since I requested, do I have to request an account for this account, or can I use my new account?
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I support, maybe we should make a single sign on so when you have a wiki account you automatically get a test wiki account.
Acebsa (talk | contribs) 20:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

An idea

Hi everyone, I had an idea recently to make a way for non-wiki editors to suggest changes if they don't want to go through the hassle of making a wiki account. Maybe a google form or something that editors can look at and, if needed, make the change.
Acebsa (talk | contribs) 04:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Scratchers are allowed to suggest changes through the Scratch Wiki's forum topic.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 04:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

For reference, the Scratch Wiki forum topic is located here. It is also used to ask questions about the wiki as well.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

The issue with that, I found, is that few actually know about it and the non-wikian posts are just random questions about scratch in general.
ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 16:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 107#Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies continuation

I am just reviving the discussion mentioned in the title above because it was archived and it did not seem to be completed. Also, on the latest Wiki Wednesday topic, no notice in the first post telling Scratchers not to spam in the topic was put in.

In the discussion linked above, I mentioned some examples of what the notice would mention as being spam. I also think posts only saying 'Hi', 'Hello' or something similar could also be mentioned as being spam.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 15:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Isn't it just common sense not to spam? It's already against the CGs, so I don't see a use for it or it's because I stalk the Announcements forum, get a first-page post, and move on. It could be useful to the 5 year-olds here that need a notice saying "Don't spam, it's sUpEr AnNoYiNg!11!!1"
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

RfC about User:Gdpr000001, User talk:Gdpr000001 and S:B redirects

As explained in the title, these are discussed on their related talk pages and User talk:Ahmetlii, but I'd like to an RfC for solving the question.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  06:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

The first two have already been discussed at Talk:Gdpr0000001#Removing_several_redirects_to_this_page to delete, neutral on where S:B is targetted.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 06:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

But also, the discussion about gdpr has a few users and only 2 active users(me and Naleksuh), this doesn't mean a consensus because it goes to a discussion between two users.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  06:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Resolved and Unresolved Templates

 Not done

There are many discussions on talk pages on the wiki that get abandoned until someone discovers them again. Wouldn't it be helpful if we had a list of all the pages with unresolved discussions that have yet to be finished? Here are some advantages to a list like this:

• In many cases, discussions won't get abandoned without being documented as unresolved discussions somewhere.
• Users who want discussions to contribute to can just look at the list for some unresolved discussions.
• It would improve the wiki's organization.

I think one way we could implement a system like this would be with two templates: {{unresolved}} and {{resolved}}.

The {{unresolved}} template would mark the discussion with "unresolved." It would also add the page to the hidden category Category:Pages With Unresolved Discussions, and provide a link to the category. If the page was in the "User talk" namespace, it would not be added to the category. This is so that if users want to use the templates on their own talk pages, they can, but users looking for discussions to participate in won't have to dig through user talk pages. There would also be a cat=no option to manually prevent the page from being added to the category. I've created a draft of this template at User:Bigpuppy/Unresolved. Note that the category part is commented out right now, so that pages don't get added to a nonexistent category. If this suggestion gets accepted, it will be un-commented.

The {{resolved}} template would mark the discussion with "resolved." It would have a date parameter that would show when the discussion was resolved. Resolved discussions would not be added to any category (unless that is something we want). I've created a draft of this template at User:Bigpuppy/Resolved.

Here are answers to some questions you may have:

Don't we already have the  Done and  Not done templates?

Yes. However, those templates don't have all of the functionality that the {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates would provide. If we added this functionality to the  Done and  Not done templates, all of the discussions that were not actually marked  Done but still have the template on them (e.g. if the template was used in casual conversation) would be added to the category.

Would these templates replace the  Done and  Not done templates?

No. Those templates would still be used in casual conversation and in tandem with the {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates (e.g. "is this conversation  Done?"). The {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates would be used more formally at the top of discussions.

Would use of these templates be required?

No. However, it would be recommended, so that the page gets added to the category of pages with unresolved discussions.

Would anyone be allowed to add these templates to any discussion, even ones they didn't create?

Yes. Similar to how the  Done and  Not done templates are used now, anyone would be able to mark a discussion as resolved or unresolved, even if they didn't create it.

The drafts you created look curiously similar to the {{shortcut}} template.

That's because I based part of their code on the {{shortcut}} template.

Kenny2scratch implemented semi-similar templates at User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks. They are similar in that they are templates located in the top-right of a discussion and show whether the discussion is done or not.

So, thoughts? Do you like the idea? Do you think it could use some improvement? Do you think we shouldn't create these templates at all? Please share your thoughts below.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

We already have S:CPND as a "unresolved" placeholder archive. I didn't see any usage of it unless marking "resolved" and "unresolved", and this gets another question: Will it be done or will not? (like 1 and 0, not includes 2 or 4). I don't think it's not important enough and @Kenny2scratch is using his permalinks to "never done" topics. I can support never done but not resolved-unresolved. Any opinions?
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

S:CPND isn't really relevant here because this wouldn't necessarily be used on the CP (but it could); the main purpose is for things like article talk pages. Could you clarify what you mean in the rest of your comment? Also, User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks includes done topics; look at the statuses on the right of each discussion. However, that was just an example.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary for article talk pages, because they don't need an archive or a job queue. It's not necessary as I think and said before.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  06:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Couldn't we just add the functionality to {{done}} and {{not done}}?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Please see the answer to "Don't we already have the  Done and  Not done templates?" in my original post.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:41, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

True, but you also stated that we could use cat=no as the default cat option. That way, all you'd need to do for casual conversation is add {{not done}} on the section. But on an "official" conversation, we would add cat=yes.

2 questions though: Would only {{unresolved}} add to a category? And, doesn't adding to a category add the entire page?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Oops, first question has been answered as soon as i posted lol
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

GitHub interwiki links

There seem to be a lot of GitHub links (including references) to the Scratch Wiki. Although the URL is not very long, maybe LLK github links (and maybe other github links) could have an interwiki link made for them (such as gh-llk, not 'gh' due to the presence of non-LLK github links as well).
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think so. Github is an external link, even its links host Scratch repos. They may cause confusion. Plain links are a better solution.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  06:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

About updating MediaWiki

TL;DR: We're doing some tests to update MediaWiki due to some problems. Probably the wiki shut down for a few hours when it's ready to be installed. (Note: This is not an official explanation because made by me, so may be ignored)

As the developers, we're currently experiencing some problems on general extensions due to errors; and to solve them, we're thinking to upgrade our wiki to 1.35. This upgration will change a lot of things, from icons to security patch; so we're doing patches to ensure that our extensions will work successfully. When all preparations are completed, probably someone from admins will make an explanation.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Where did you get the information about the MediaWiki update here?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump

TL;DR: We're upgrading to MediaWiki Version 1.35. Date: (to be determined)

Why upgrade?

Currently we're using MediaWiki 1.28, which is unsupported. This caused some problems and MW 1.28 is also incompatible with some extensions. This is why we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35, a LTS version soon to be stable.

Timeline

Time not set, but this is a big project which can take weeks.

Checklist

Extensions and Skins:

•  Compatible ScratchWikiSkin2
•  Compatible ScratchLogin (patch applied to fix warning)
•  Incompatible ConfirmAccount (new version WIP)
•  Compatible Report (patch needs review)
•  Compatible ScratchSig
•  Incompatible EditAccount
•  Compatible ScratchBlocks4
•  Compatible RecentChangesWebhooks
•  Compatible VisualEditor (but sb blocks will be only seen as string)

Bots:

•  Compatible InterwikiBot
•  Compatible TemplatesFTW
•  Internal errors WikiMonitor (has problems about dependencies)

Misc:

•  Compatible Special:BlockList patch - new version created
•  Compatible Common.css
•  Incompatible Common.js (sigwarn is problematic)

Discussion

This is gonna be big.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,190edit 08:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Question: Is Vector going to be compatible with it? I sometimes use SWS2 but I mostly use Vector on my laptop.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

@garnetluvcookie: Definitely because MediaWiki uses Vector as default.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  13:45, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

While we are doing this, can we add the VisualEditor? I have used it at snapwiki.miraheze.org, and it works great! I'm so excited for this update!
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 22:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

We are planning on adding the Visual Editor, however a bit of adaptation is necessary.
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  01:03, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Why is the VisualEditor incompatible with ScratchWikiSkin2? As far as I know, (and I've been exploring this) the skin has all of the necessary hooks. Has anyone tried it?
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 16:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

@GrahamSH: I tried and tested. I know it has all necessary hooks, but also it cannot simulate the editing visually(because our skin is restrictive). We (as all developers in the Wikis) are looking for compatibility.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  16:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Update: VisualEditor is working currently with a few unimportant things like sb is not seen as block.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘(Remember to outdent at 6) What changes are there between 1.28 and 1.35? I know there's visual editor but I'm not sure what else.
----  Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,562)  Scratch  Directory  00:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

If Scratchblocks are to be added to the VisualEditor here, how will they be inputted?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 07:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

@Jammum: We're working on it for editing blocks visually. Probably we will use text, but also the blocks will be seen instantly on VisualEditor when someone did an edit on the Scratchblocks text.

@Dominic305: There are a lot changes, I suggest you to read all changelogs between 1.28 and 1.35.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  07:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Will the extension Popups be enabled instead of the current thing in the common.js? Popups, (the extension) is much better.
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 12:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, since Special:BlockList patch is broken, you could try using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 14:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the helping, but the developers is thinking that manually editing MediaWiki is better than use an extension for it. Anyway, thanks again!
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  14:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure where Ahmetlii got the idea above-- nobody has even suggested that, in addition to it being a bad idea for a number of technical reasons that I am sure ISW understands. There have not been any suggestions for a way of implementing Special:BlockList privacy, but I will see about some solutions.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 18:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ For VisualEditor, couldn't you do something similar to the way it's done in scratch forums?
I wish I could help but I don't know a single thing about PHP
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think so. BBS systems and wikis are two different things. btw, I'm not also good at PHP (my specialty is Python on backend)
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

They are, but I wasn't saying that you use the systems. I was just saying to use the concepts of how the scratchblocks are entered into the visual space.

SAME, but I actually don't know a single thing of PHP
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Actually, it could look for typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean by the tags are found? We use <scratchblocks> tags to make scratchblocks on the wiki...

In the visualeditor, we could just make a button, that will make something similar to the templates popup in the visualeditor. Then edit and it makes the block!

Edit conflict lol, but I wouldn't recommend deleting your entire post and replacing it with something else. It doesn't tell others what your previous thoughts were, (they could support you, or not) And is that typof= supposed to link anywhere?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

In the visualeditor, elements with scratchblock have typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks" in their html. But, there is no text (shown) that says <scratchblocks>
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 01:05, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

That's because <scratchblocks> get's replaced with <pre class="block"> or <code class="block"> to make scratch blocks...

I'm sorry but I don't understand your point.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I looked at the MediaWiki website and it said that the EditAccount extension is archived, which might be why it does not work on the latest MediaWiki version. Is it going to be forked or replaced?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 10:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

We're working on it. The only thing is we will not use EditUser (because it's so restrictive). Please check the GitHub repos of the International Scratch Wiki for public changelogs of the Scratch Wiki systems.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  11:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

am i allowed to edit user messages if...

Am I allowed to edit user messages if the user calls me something I don't like to be called (only to fix what they call me)? Lots of people call me "Garnetluvcookie", which I don't like because I'm very sensitive about how the G in my name is capitalized.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

That is not an allowed usage of editing others' messages. Especially not when Garnetluvcookie is infact your username, although you may prefer something else and are allowed to make others aware of that.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

oml is this just to trigger me
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

also my scratch username is @garnetluvcookie, MediaWiki just auto capitalized the G.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

The message was not intended to "trigger" anything-- you asked a question and I answered it. While I am aware that MediaWiki does strictly capitalize username, and you are allowed to edit your signature or use displaytitles on your user (talk) page as appropriate, it would not be appropriate to chastise others for referring to what is your actual name. It also does not constitute editing another users' message as this can sometimes misrepresent what they are saying.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message. To garnetluvcookie, ask Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him.
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Just don't ask him right now, of course. He's busy with his studies. (So am I but I can't resist replying to talk messages...)
----  Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,562)  Scratch  Directory  00:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

"Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message." This sarcastic comment is not helpful here. The point is that messages are edited when they are in violation of policies or when they are causing some other problem (for example, messages with erroneous formatting such as unclosed tags, messages adding a page to a category, or something like that. In addition, I have had others edit my messages in a way that changes their meaning before that has needed to be undone. The actors were doing so in good faith, but it was still problematic.

"Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him." So, he has a bias, meaning probably not the best ask. Instead, see the already existing well-established policy which says it should not be edited. In general, talk page messages are treated like userspace.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

garnetluvcookie, I realize that you may not like the name, but you shouldn't change another person's edit. Instead, you should reply kindly asking them to stop calling you that and to call you the names you prefer.

You also shouldn't be "triggered" against a capitilization. MediaWiki, and autocorrect, will capitilize yours, and others, names.

If they continue calling you that name (or purposely capitilize it), that's a completely different story.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

The user repeatedly keeps calling me Garnetluvcookie , and I've reported the revisions and no action has beeen taken.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Have you asked the user to stop?

I also don't think reporting the revision for this matter is appropriate.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I have asked the person to stop at least 4 times.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  17:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok... but instead of reporting their revision, ask an admin or someone. But please assume good faith in the future. It may be an accident.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I am assuming good faith. It's most likely an accident, but it's just something I'm sensitive about and annoys me... a lot.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Great! Just a suggestion: maybe include the names you don't want to be called on your userpage.

May I ask why the capital 'G' annoys you?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Sure. There are many reasons why, but the important one is that I never put capital letters in my usernames because it messes up literally my whole profile page for some reason and makes me look like someone who Talks Like This.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

i just realized i single-handedly blew up the CP 😲
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

That's a weird reason in my perspective, but you do you....

Only 4 KB left to go before archiving
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Do I what?
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Clarification: You must not use Report extension unless you need to contact admins urgently and privately, like sharing email or vandalism. If you "abused" Report extension, you may be blocked.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,190edit 19:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I don't want to start a flame, but I believe that was a fair report because it may seem small to you, but it affects me mentally and emotionally.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe make a less strict report extension? In this case, the 'new' report button could've been used to report a user that hasn't stopped calling garnetluvcookie with a 'G'...

I'm not sure, it's just a thought....
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

So there's been a lot of discussion on both sides of this matter - I thought it would be appropriate to share my two cents on the matter. To be clear, I do not wish for my reply to be hostile, demeaning, or rude, simply a summary on my thoughts.

I do not believe that it is a "weird perspective" to have a preferred way of being referred to as. Sometimes the little things can really tick people off, and I understand that. I also understand that MediaWiki autocapitalizes names, such as jvvg/Jvvg, however we should all take note of people's preferred names and call them by that rather than their MediaWiki name.

In instances where a user has been referred to incorrectly, whether intentionally or inadvertently (as has been stated before, Assume Good Faith ), the proper course of action should be to ask the user nicely not to refer to you as that and give a correct preferred name, which I can see has been done here multiple times. I understand it may upset/annoy the user who has been incorrectly referred to, however editing a message should not happen, which I can also see has not taken place. Good job!

Reporting should also not usually be used in these circumstances - instead, CC an admin or EW into the conversation and they will (hopefully) ask the user nicely to use the correct name.

@garnetluvcookie I understand that how you are referred to affects you deeply. Please don't think you are being told off here. In fact, by asking the user nicely to not call you by a certain name, you've done the right thng. Well done.

I think we all need to calm down and hold off sarcastic, snidy, or mean comments. We're a community built on being welcoming and enjoyable, let's keep it that way. :)
Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 20:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Small question: what do you mean by CC? Isn't that a copyright
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

@12944qwerty CC, as in, carbon copy, I assume.

If you didn't know, CC is for sending a copy to another user for their information. Primary recipients are addressed as "TO" and others as "CC". (there's also BCC, but I don't want to go into more detail)
TenType (talk | contribs) 20:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh, that makes sense lol. thanks
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  21:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

archive the CP

I'm amazed that i basically made it blow up :P (i need to reset my sig so unsigned)
-unsigned comment by garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)

 Archiving...
bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

 Archived
bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it)

 Not done
i can't explain anything so here goes... I've seen many people getting the "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB" message. Why? These users uploaded files that are like 6 KB. 6 KB!!! That's incredibly small, at least for file sizes. I believe that the minimum file size for compression should be raised to 20 KB because that's a size that's small, but large enough that it's too big. Thoughts?
♥ garnetluvcookie ♥ | ♥ talk ♥ | ♥ contribs ♥ 00:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I think the title of this topic should actually be "Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it)" (or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?)

Also, could you please clarify which message you're talking about?

• Special:Upload states "Is the image's filesize over 300KB? If it is, please compress it. TinyPNG is recommended for PNGs and JPEGs (contrary to the name, it does support JPEG)."
• The abuse filter warning that appears when you upload a file that's too large also uses the 300KB number, stating "If your file is over 300KB, please compress it. TinyPNG is recommended for PNGs and JPGs."
• The message that TemplatesFTW posts on users' talk pages after it compresses their files does not state any number, but rather states that "... the image size was kinda big ...".

None of the above messages mention that you should "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB," so could you please clarify which message you are talking about? If I'm missing something obvious, please point it out. Thank you!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Ahh, yes I meant increase, it's just pretty late where I am and I'm a bit sleepy. Also, the compress if it's over 2 KB thing was a joke to show how low the compressing thing is :P. I'll fix the post before I fall asleep in my chair.
♥ garnetluvcookie ♥ | ♥ talk ♥ | ♥ contribs ♥ 02:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah people take compression way too seriously. Maybe at 30mb losslessly you should consider compressing, but there's no reason to compress something already only 20 kb (which is incredibly small in 2020, a lot of JavaScript files are bigger). Some images have been compressed so aggressively that the text becomes difficult to read and have needed to be reverted. The file dimensions were recently increased to 1080p a couple weeks ago, but there hasn't been much comment on file size. I personally think that an increase on file size limit would be very helpful as compression has been taken way too seriously (in most cases it has almost no benefit, although there are always exceptions). In addition, admins for some reason can upload files up to 218 times larger than non-admins, which again I think is another unnecessary line.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 02:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Exactly. All it does is decreases file size by like 4 KB. Personally I think that compression is taken wayy too seriously here.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  02:31, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Tone down the rejected messages on S:BR archives

Note:

None of this was made to offend the people who reject bot requests. Please take no offense.

Some of the rejected summaries at S:BR rejected requests are very unwelcoming. For example, my rejected message had "User has no programming experience" which comes off extremely rude, and when I do have programming experience (if you count Scratch as a programming language... *awkward smile*). The only reason that I don't is because I'm incredibly young, not even in middle school. If I was 5 years older, I would've created a bot already. (Please don't argue this point against me, I don't want the summary bored into my head)

Also, a user may not have much experience in the language, but that doesn't mean that they are incapable of creating a bot. I know many people online (haha don't ask about IRL) that are new to the language that they chose, but they've created amazing stuff. It's enforcing the stereotype of "young children are dumb and can't do complex stuff". No matter how minor, it's still showing bad behavior as a role-model.

This doesn't mean that the admins need to rewrite every single rejected summary, they just need to be more considerate about how others will feel. extreme nostalgia and/or cringe side affects may occur in 3... 2... 1... It's like that concept that everyone was taught in early grade school, fill others buckets, don't dump them.

now my fingers hurt :P
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

As mysteriously as he arrived, NYCDOT was gone again. Hi. I checked out your BR, and it appears that Ken wrote "Proposer has no programming experience and VoxBot is the only approved typography bot." He said it like it is, you have no experience. What is he supposed to say? We aren't going to give out gold stars to people who propose that they create their own bots without any idea how to do so. Try out a some programming languages before proposing a a new Wiki Bot, and I'm sure the next time you have a BR the admins will be more than happy to review your request. As for the bot idea itself, VoxBot is an approved bot that we know works well and does its job. If you have problems with it, I'm sure KrIsMa will listen to your suggestions.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 18:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I do have programming experience, I just only knew Scratch at the time I suggested it. Also, even though I apparently am dumb, I do know a good bit of Python.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Two things. One, no one ever said you were dumb. Not knowing how to do a certain thing doesn't make you dumb. Two, at the time of the bot request, you pretty much had no experience. While you may have some now, that doesn't change the past. If you think of a new, useful bot, you can propose one again.
NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 18:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Welcome back NYCDOT, I came back recently too , also, remember about your indents :P

Scratch is not counted as programming knowledge. Although you could use scratch knowledge to code with other languages, knowing scratch only isn't enough. Can you make a bot with scratch coding? No, you cannot. Ken writing that you have no programming experience is completely fine. You agreed you have no programming experience outside of Scratch.

Although it may be rude for you, it is in no way meant to be rude. Ken wrote all details in his rejected message so that everyone understands why this bot got rejected and so that users don't make a bot for the same reason. There's always a reason for writing things the way it's written.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Try it yourself! (button)

My idea is that there will be some visual scratchblocks, and a button next to it. The user can click on the button, and it will bring them to scratch and remix a project with the code in it. They can then mess around with it.

You could probably use this in

• Tutorials
• Scratch Block pages
• Default Value (I thought of this idea on this page)

 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Can anyone help me understand why the category links aren't showing up?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Actually, we're also working about the embed projects (we have different opinions for make it, so I cannot say a specific info.). You can see everyone in here whose want to help for the Wiki!

For the second question, I've fixed it.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

What? I'm confused. What do you mean by "everyone in here whose are want to help for the Wiki"? There's a lot of English mistakes.... can you please fix it so I can understand? Thanks!

OH YEAH, I forgot about putting those for some links...
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I meant "please check public and private changelogs and also look at RC".
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

For embedding a scratch project? Can you direct me to it?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  12:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Something's wrong

 Done
Something’s up, my signature turns timestamps into code boxes, without the actual code tags appearing. Is this an error with my syntax or is it an actual bug? I’m not sure, so if someone could help me with this, that would be great. I’ve been trying to get it right for weeks. An example of the issue can be found below, or at this page
78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 00:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

It's because User:78ch3/Sig has some new lines it should not. There are two line breaks between </span> and <noinclude>. Those new lines should simply be removed (so that it is </span><noinclude> on one line), and then it should be fixed.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I got up this morning to fix it, but didn’t read this, so when I came here, it turns out I did exactly what you wanted me to do.
78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 21:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done
78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 21:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

My Banner

 Done

Why did my banner get removed? I needed it for my forum signature and I can't use assets on my computer because it won't load and now my signature won't work.
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom

Is this problem related to the forum? If it is, please bring up the topic there and they'll be able to help you more.

Also, remember for the future to write your texts before your signature. This means that you do REPLY/TEXT ~~~~. The four tildes are your signature. Thank you!
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:21, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

It was not deleted, it was moved to a different title that was less generic.

Also, the Scratch Wiki should not be used as an image host for Scratch or anywhere else outside the wiki. I recommend you use another hosting site such as CubeUpload to upload your banner.

and i was caught in an edit conflict
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

We're not an image host. Use extensions that upload images to Scratch assets, or look to index.php for deleted images, or host in another website that Scratch allows.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  16:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I just looked at Recent Changes. Your banner didn't get removed. It just got moved so that it had a more specific name. Banner.png could mean that it's a banner for the Mainspace Scratch wiki pages instead.

Your banner is now located here: File:Banner FollowCherryBlossom.png

I had edit conflict too lol, with both jammum and ahmetlii at the same time AND MYSELF oh gods
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I've editted like three times and the same has happened and okay
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom

The reason for doing so is because I don't use cubeupload or photobucket, I thought it had been deleted
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom

You should though. This wiki isn't meant to host images, you should use an actual hosting server. Those are some of the best hosting servers.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ "Those are some of the best hosting servers" no, those are just the ones allowed by Scratch.
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

out of curiosity...

What's the 3 Revert Rule? I know we use BRD but it's referenced in many places, most notably nutshell. 

also, whatup with my message it's being weird or *looks above* close your tags!!!
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The 3 revert rule is when you stop to discuss the revert if it has been reverted three times. At least that's what I remember.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think we have 3RR(Three Revert Rule) here. We instead have BRD - Bold, Revert and Discuss.

Also, indenting your post with a space makes that box thing.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,190edit 13:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Another user’s talk page organization

Another user (not mentioning who) on this wiki requires users who post on their talk page that they use level three headings for discussion headings and put their messages in a section (some of which are not at the bottom of the page) on that page, whilst all other talk pages (including user ones) are supposed to use level two headings and require all messages (including bot ones) to go at the bottom of the page. Is the user's way of organising their talk page allowed?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I know this user and I don't believe so.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think it's allowed, but if it is right now then I think it shouldn't be. It's confusing.
----  Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,562)  Scratch  Directory  12:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

How to curate a project?

I want to know how to curate a project as I am interested to learn how to. I want to encourage my friend so thats one reason. If you got an idea how, please leave a reply so I can see. Thank you so much for everything and may god bless you abundantly! :)
Ani_coding_PRO (talk | contribs) 11:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Here ya go: Curator (front_page)#Application_and_Selection
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ani_coding_PRO: Please ask in the Questions about Scratch forum (link to the forum is on the page) for Scratch-related questions that do not involve this wiki. The wiki is not a replacement for the Scratch Forums.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Wiki down?

I got an HTTP 500 error for about 30 seconds a minute ago. Other wikis (I checked de, test, and fr) were up. Was this a server problem?
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

And again...
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

This was a result of some preparatory work we're doing for the upgrade. Unfortunately there wasn't any way to do it without any disruption. However, it should be done now. You may experience some slowdown for a while, but not any more downtime.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I am experiencing some slowness (a page takes around 1 minute to load) so that explains that.
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I think the slowness has finally been resolved, so we should be good to go going forwards. I do not anticipate any remaining disruption to the Wiki until we actually perform the upgrade (we do not have a specific day planned yet, but hopefully soon).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Yay!
garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  20:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Also running great for me! Did you figure out what was causing it or did it just go away by itself?
----  Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,562)  Scratch  Directory  20:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ With some help from apple502j and banana439monkey I was able to fix it. The issue was that 1. apcu (a PHP extension that greatly improves performance) wasn't enabled and 2. there was a setting keeping it from actually running even after I enabled it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)