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Welcome to my talk page!

Feel free to leave a message here about anything — it could be an edit (or mistake) I made, something you want to bring to my attention, a question, or a greeting.

As a little note

Before posting, there are several things I need you to know

• If I left a message on your talk page, feel free to respond there or here, but stay consistent — don't respond here then continue the discussion there.
• Unless you ask me to do otherwise, if you talk to me here I will reply to you here.
• All guidelines (Community and Scratch Wiki) still apply here — please follow them.
• If you leave me a disrespectful message, do not expect a response and expect to see your message deleted.
• If I made a mistake, of any kind whatsoever (assume good faith), please post your view calmly and collectedly.
• Think about your post before posting.
• I welcome all questions — Wiki-/Scratch-related questions and personal/offtopic questions are equally welcome here.
• When referring to me, please make sure the name you use matches this regex: https://regex101.com/r/QSyeGl/3 - examples of OK and NOT OK names are shown in the "insert test string" box. If you're unsure, just use one of the "OK" examples.
• For reference, revision 252081 was done by Kenny2scratch on 04/07/2020

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Reply-link.js

Salutations, Could you help me with something, i am trying to make a reply-link javascript file, kind of the same as Enterprisey's reply-link I cant think how to change it so it works here, many thanks,
JJBullet (Talk ★ Contributions ★ 918 edits) 14:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Moving plural page titles to singular

The last time we discussed about this topic was in early February, and it's already late April now – almost 3 months. It is very confusing to have both singular and plural pages, and it makes it harder for editors as well. [[Block]]s is the same as [[Block|Blocks]], but there is no shortcut for [[Blocks|Block]]. Shold we move all the pages, or can we just leave them and work with it?
CrazyBoy826 Talk | Contribs | Scratch account 21:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

hi

hello random user that you probably didnt know that I exist saying hello cause theyre as bored as heck
Fashionqueen9 (talk | contribs) 21:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

lol hi, how you doin'?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I didn't know anyone existed, to be honest.
banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,137)) 09:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh god lol
Fashionqueen9 (talk | contribs) 22:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Yo remember to indent replies :)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  01:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

About a broken link it's in your main page

See: User:Kenny2scratch#cite_ref-6
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  16:52, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

0-0 Sidebar

That sidebar is beautiful! How the chicken-horse did you make that?! I didn't know you could do that XD
Mohie (talk | contribs) 15:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

lol thanks, I don't really know how to explain it but in short the <div> that wraps the whole sidebar has the CSS attributes position: fixed; left: 0; bottom: 0; set on it so that it stays stuck to the left and bottom of the screen. I found the technique from GlassGalaxy whose userpage I was browsing for some reason.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:28, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Adventure

 Done
Hi. Scratch Wiki:Scratch Wiki Adventure is finished finally, also I added a new button style for it. Can you download MediaWiki extension for the project? Thanks!
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  13:46, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

It's still waiting but Scratch Wiki Adventure is finished as final. Can someone from admins download MediaWiki extension to Wiki? As a reference, I'm added that link to here.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  17:30, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm so sorry about post that again, but can you run MediaWiki extension in Wiki?(because I posted two weeks ago and that's still waiting). You can also take a look to the project's talk page.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

I saw your second message in this topic ("It's still waiting") and I actually did attempt to install the extension then; however, I ran into some problems, because our MW version is no longer supported by the latest release of the GuidedTour extension, nor by its dependency EventLogging. Additionally, EventLogging requires a server of its own to be running, so I need to figure that out too, which is hard while I'm also studying for exams. Now, however, I don't have exams for another week, so I can devote more energy to it, which I'll start doing today.  Doing...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks for informing me. I didn't know that. I'm sorry if I disturbed you.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  12:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Nah, sorry for not saying anything sooner. Not disturbed - I have to deliberately go on to the Wiki to check it, so if anyone was disturbing me it was myself :P
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Okay, I think I've successfully installed it (?tour=test worked). Let me know if you need anything more from me. Some tips:

• Use ?uselang=qqx to find out where the MediaWiki: pages that control the text of things are.
• Inspect Element is your friend.
• Since the version I've installed is from October 2016, make sure to switch to versions of documentation at or before then when reading it

Good luck!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

GuidedTour is working for me. Thanks for all of your helps.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  14:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I read cheatsheet of GuidedTour again, and I need to create a page in MediaWiki: prefix, right? A note to myself: First, I must create GuidedTour in my Sandbox with definition of text variables, then post it to Community Portal.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  14:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Question on posting

Hello! I was wondering how to make an individual post. I currently want to make a tutorial on how to calculate FPS in animations. However, I am having trouble finding where you post. Thank you for your time!
TinkerGamez (talk | contribs) 19:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Scratch Wiki! I'm not Ken, but I can answer your question. Assuming that what you mean by "posting" is creating a page, you can do so here. Please read that page before you do so, though, and ensure that your page follows the New Page Policies. Also, please don't create your page if it has very little or no content when you begin; pages like that may be deleted. It may be a good idea to draft in userspace beforehand. Good luck, and thank you for being so enthusiastic about editing the wiki! We're excited to see your contributions!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:18, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

The mystery of the Help:Welcome tutorials

Hi Ken, I hope you're doing well. I was going through the Help:Welcome tutorials and improving whatever I saw that needed to be improved. While I was doing this, I noticed something odd. These pages reminded me of Wikipedia and its aspects. For example, all of the headings were written in sentence case, not title case (I've fixed them now). Now, yes, yes, I know that this isn't enough to "remind me of Wikipedia," but here's another example: previously, the examples on Help:Welcome/4 didn't use scratchsig (look in the recent page history).

So I did some investigation, and it turns out my suspicion was at least semi-correct. If you look at Wikipedia:Help:Introduction to talk pages/4, it uses almost the exact same example as Help:Welcome/4. Now, when I first saw this, I had plagiarism concerns; even though it's just a tutorial, I think copying and not attributing Wikipedia may be a problem (keep in mind, I am not a lawyer, nor an expert in Wikipedia's legal policies! This was just my suspicion). I was thinking about what I should do about this, and thinking things like "would a post on the Community Portal voicing my concerns be sufficient?".

So I did some more investigation, but this time it was in the form of copying some text from the Help:Welcome tutorials to my clipboard and doing a web search. Turns out, a lot of other wikis use some of the exact same wording as our tutorials, but replacing our wiki-specific stuff with their wiki-specific stuff. This kind of relieved my concerns about plagiarism, as now I thought it might be a MediaWiki thing or something like that.

But the problem is, these tutorial pages were not created when the Scratch Wiki began—they were created by a Wikian named Mrsrec in January 2014. Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything in the early page histories hinting at where that user got the text from.

Anyway, I'm sorry for that very long buildup, but my question for you is: do you know anything about these pages, and where they originally came from? I know that you weren't on the wiki in January 2014 (and I wasn't either; I joined in October 2014), but you certainly know a lot more about MediaWiki and the technical side of things than I do. As I said, I thought that this could be something that is provided by MediaWiki as a sort of "boilerplate tutorial."

In the beginning of this "mini-investigation," I had legitimate concerns, but not as much anymore (for the reasons I mentioned above). If you don't know anything about this, that's fine too. I'm sorry for taking up your time. Also, I hope I'm not missing something and the answer is really obvious. Then I would have just wasted my time.

Also, I didn't post this on the Community Portal because I felt it was not related enough to daily Scratch Wiki matters to post it there. (However, if someone other than Ken reads this, feel free to reply!)

Best regards,
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, if you don't want to read something this long or don't care to look into it or reply, that's fine too.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 05:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

As far as I know there isn't a boilerplate tutorial in MediaWiki, so our welcome tutorials are probably modified from Wikipedia. If so, that's not plagiarism, it's legitimate adaptation, because Wikipedia, and we, are under CC BY-SA. It's disturbing to me that Mrsrec created the tutorials, though, because there's a bad history with that one. Still, legally it's 100% fine.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

I think like Ken. This wiki is applying one of the CC BY-SA licenses, so someone can apply every CC BY-SA licenses(they are compatible with all of CC BY-SA licenses). Nobody don't need supply it for every use, that's some kind of "their choices". Legally, there isn't a problem now, but if Wikipedia warns us - however, that's nearly impossible, internet is a huge world - we must add a notice.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  09:35, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Interesting. Thanks for replying. I still find it odd that other non-Wikipedia wikis use the same tutorials, though. I thought you had to attribute Wikipedia though?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 12:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘

• First answer: Yes, sort of.
• Second answer: No, because of Wikipedia's general rules, you don't need mention as I know. Also, I said in OP, nobody wants to warn every wikis individually.
• Third answer: There is international laws like fair use or Berne Convention, but I don't think they are working fully compatible. Also, if you take a look Wikipedia's policies, they allow copy-paste to another place.

In conclusion: Wikipedia's legal status isn't clear so much because they're using multiple licenses+their own rules+includes anonymous and problematic articles/edits. Some of countries banned Wikipedia in the past because of that. As final, I think there isn't a problem for now - without if they change the rules, but I don't think so - We can use without mentioning Wikipedia for now. For example, Scratch Wiki is using Wikipedia with interwiki link.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure you're right about "you don't need mention as I know," at least according to the "Attribution" section of Wikipedia:WP:Copyrights#Reusers' rights and obligations.

However, again, I'm not sure there is a problem, because many wikis use the same tutorials as us. I thought it could be something built-in to MediaWiki, but Ken doesn't think so. Perhaps it's something like that, but more subtle? Like, some pre-written tutorials that anyone can use for their wiki and Mrsrec just found? I'm really not sure, though I'm not as worried anymore about copyright (as I said in my original post).

Also, I am dedicated to keeping this emoji as the only emoji that is used in this conversation:
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Alright, Ken and ahmetlii, look at this: Help:Tracking Changes

Now compare it to this: Wikipedia:MW:Help:Tracking changes

I guess we can confirm that this was a pre-written page for wikis based on MediaWiki now (and look! it's in the public domain, so no attribution is necessary), though I'm still not sure about the Help:Welcome tutorials.

This helps me, though, because now I know of this: Wikipedia:MW:Project:PD help

So there are sets of tutorials (in the public domain) provided by MediaWiki for new wikis— so I was partially correct. Again, I'm still not sure about the Help:Welcome tutorials specifically, though. Did either of you know about this?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:46, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I can't see any similar tutorial with Help:Welcome.

I know that some of technical articles copied from MediaWiki (and I'm using it for information, MediaWiki has the best resources for Wikitext and server-side PHP-Wiki collaboration). However, lots of MediaWiki articles are created by Wiki system, and you cannot see their histories and cannot edit it (except admins). Help:Welcome is probably created for helping new users inspired from Wikipedia, like Scratch Wiki:Scratch Wiki Adventure but I think anybody will not need them so much in a near future - extensions are developing for Wiki's every years. I think this topic is probably  Closed.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  21:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

My new template

Hi Ken, I'd appreciate it if you could tell me what you think of User:Bigpuppy/UpDown, my new template. It was inspired by this template on Wikipedia, though I didn't take any code from there.

You don't have to give me feedback, but you've given me feedback on my templates in the past, so maybe you enjoy it!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 05:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh, and also, I already know of the issues with viewing it on vector.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 05:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Your methods are sound, but what's the idea behind leaving so much space between it and the side of the page?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:16, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

As a second note, up/down buttons isn't working good on mobile. I think the buttons' place should be at right middle.(I'm talking about mobile phones, tablets, etc. If you look to Ken's screenshot, you will see that it's cropped from a computer.)
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  08:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Ken, that's so it shows up nice beside my sidebar. Maybe I'll add a parameter to change the position. Ahmetlii, ditto.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:29, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, I just realized that it's not responsive, so it may not show up nice next to my sidebar on some screens (not just mobile screens, but also desktop/laptop computer screens).
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:37, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Ahmetlii, I see that you edited your post multiple times — however, I already understood what you meant the first time. As I said, maybe I'll add a parameter to change the position.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 14:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Ahmetlii, Ken, it now has parameters and documentation for how to move it wherever you want on the screen. What do you think?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Looks like good, but I'm not sure about CSS page documentation; .updown isn't working.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  17:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Really? It's working for me.. Have you done a hard refresh?
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Hard refresh is hard in mobile and special CSS pages aren't working accurately. If it's working for you, there's not a problem.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:02, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Ah, okay. (Also, please don't edit my posts, no matter how minor the edit; I put two periods for a reason )
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 18:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

As of writing, you have exactly 12,000 edits!

Congratulations!
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I realized that this record won't be breakable for another five years...
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Making a couple edits to blow me past it... 11000 and 12000 now recorded! Yay me
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal#Logging server faults

I realize that this is the fourth topic in a row I've posted on this page, and no one else has posted one in-between, but...

What do you think about having a separate page for Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal#Logging server faults? I've collapsed it so it takes up less space, but that won't help the CP loading time, and since it's a  Never done topic, it will only get larger. Multiple people have voiced their support for a separate page there too.
bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

 Moved
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)