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== TestWiki ==
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== Reply-link.js ==
  
Hello Ken, just wondering about the testwiki, i have requested an account, and am wondering if i get accepted what does it take to get sysop rights? or is that something that takes a while, correct me if i am being annoying, kind regards,
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Salutations,
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Could you help me with something, i am trying to make a reply-link javascript file, kind of the same as  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Enterprisey/reply-link.js Enterprisey's reply-link]
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I cant think how to change it so it works here,
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many thanks,{{User:JJBullet/Siggy2}} 14:21, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
  
{{User:JJBullet/Siggy2}} 12:03, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
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== Moving plural page titles to singular ==
:You're way ahead of yourself - at least according to your account request, you speak no languages other than English, and that's one of the crucial parts of editing an other language wiki. Becoming sysop (at least [[User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks#Would you like to get involved in the international Scratch-Wikis?|in my case]]), in particular on the test wiki, takes a general knack of international culture, and ideally a strong intuitive familiarity with MediaWiki.
 
:Thanks for reminding me about the test wiki, though - I haven't checked it recently because I've been flattened by schoolwork. I appreciate your willingness to help, but at the moment it would seem you don't have the skills we're looking for (which, of course, is not to say that you can't acquire them!).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:51, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
::Ok Ken, understood, i will try to learn the necessary skills {{e|:)}}{{User:JJBullet/Siggy2}} 14:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
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The last time we discussed about this topic was in early February, and it's already late April now – almost 3 months. It is very confusing to have both singular and plural pages, and it makes it harder for editors as well. <nowiki>[[Block]]s is the same as [[Block|Blocks]], but there is no shortcut for [[Blocks|Block]]. </nowiki>Shold we move all the pages, or can we just leave them and work with it? {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 21:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
  
== When to archive ==
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==hi==
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hello random user that you probably didnt know that I exist saying hello cause theyre as bored as heck
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<scratchsig>Fashionqueen9</scratchsig> 21:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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:lol hi, how you doin'?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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::I didn't know anyone existed, to be honest.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 09:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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:::Oh god lol <scratchsig>Fashionqueen9</scratchsig> 22:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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::::Yo remember to [[S:INDENT|indent]] replies :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
  
Is there a certain size you would recommend archiving my page at? Or a certain amount of posts?{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 15:51, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
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== About a broken link it's in your main page ==
:No, just archive whenever you feel like it. I personally go with 20 topics, but KrIsMa goes with 100 and you apparently go with 15 KB. You do you. {{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== HeLlO! ==
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See: [[User:Kenny2scratch#cite_ref-6]]{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:52, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
  
HI THERE! LONG TIME NO SEE (on wiki) {{e|:P}}<br/>
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== 0-0 Sidebar ==
一点儿 (BTW, i think), how did you figure out your milestones? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 00:32, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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:(一点儿, or 一點兒 in traditional, means "a little" - "by the way" is 順便說說, or 顺便说说 in simplified.)
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That sidebar is beautiful! How the chicken-horse did you make that?! I didn't know you could do that XD <scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 15:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
:I just keep track of them as they come up - [[Special:Editcount/Kenny2scratch]] lists individual edit counts for each namespace. Additionally, when I actually pass a milestone I don't usually hit it spot on, so I count back in [[Special:Contributions/Kenny2scratch|my contribs]] to find the edit that actually pushed me over.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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:lol thanks, I don't really know how to explain it but in short the <code>&lt;div></code> that wraps the whole sidebar has the CSS attributes <code>position: fixed; left: 0; bottom: 0;</code> set on it so that it stays stuck to the left and bottom of the screen. I found the technique from {{user|GlassGalaxy|name}} whose userpage I was browsing for some reason.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:28, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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== Scratch Wiki Adventure ==
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{{done}}<br/>
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Hi. [[Scratch Wiki:Scratch Wiki Adventure]] is finished finally, also I added a new button style for it. Can you download [[mw:Extension:GuidedTour|MediaWiki extension]] for the project? Thanks!{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 13:46, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
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:It's still waiting but Scratch Wiki Adventure is finished as final. Can someone from admins download MediaWiki extension to Wiki? As a reference, I'm added [[Special: Version|that link to here.]]{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 17:30, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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::I'm so sorry about post that again, but can you run MediaWiki extension in Wiki?(because I posted two weeks ago and that's still waiting). You can also take a look to the project's talk page.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::I saw your second message in this topic ("It's still waiting") and I actually did attempt to install the extension then; however, I ran into some problems, because our MW version is no longer supported by the latest release of the GuidedTour extension, nor by its dependency EventLogging. Additionally, EventLogging requires a server of its own to be running, so I need to figure that out too, which is hard while I'm also studying for exams. Now, however, I don't have exams for another week, so I can devote more energy to it, which I'll start doing today. {{doing}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::OK, thanks for informing me. I didn't know that. I'm sorry if I disturbed you.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:37, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Nah, sorry for not saying anything sooner. Not disturbed - I have to deliberately go on to the Wiki to check it, so if anyone was disturbing me it was myself :P{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 12:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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Okay, I think I've successfully installed it (<code>?tour=test</code> worked). Let me know if you need anything more from me. Some tips:
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* Use <code>?uselang=qqx</code> to find out where the MediaWiki: pages that control the text of things are.
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* Inspect Element is your friend.
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* Since the version I've installed is from [https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-GuidedTour/tree/REL1_28 October 2016], make sure to switch to versions of documentation at or before then when reading it
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Good luck!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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:GuidedTour is working for me. Thanks for all of your helps.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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:I read cheatsheet of GuidedTour again, and I need to create a page in MediaWiki: prefix, right? A note to myself: First, I must create GuidedTour in my Sandbox with definition of text variables, then post it to Community Portal.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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== Question on posting ==
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Hello! I was wondering how to make an individual post. I currently want to make a tutorial on how to calculate FPS in animations. However, I am having trouble finding where you post. Thank you for your time!
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<scratchsig>TinkerGamez</scratchsig> 19:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Hello, and welcome to the Scratch Wiki! I'm not Ken, but I can answer your question. Assuming that what you mean by "posting" is creating a page, you can do so [[Scratch Wiki:Create an article|here]]. Please read that page before you do so, though, and ensure that your page follows the [[Scratch Wiki:New Page Policies|New Page Policies]]. Also, please don't create your page if it has very little or no content when you begin; pages like that may be deleted. It may be a good idea to draft in [[S:USERSPACE|userspace]] beforehand. Good luck, and thank you for being so enthusiastic about editing the wiki! We're excited to see your contributions! {{e|:)}} <br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:18, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
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== The mystery of the [[Help:Welcome]] tutorials ==
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Hi Ken, I hope you're doing well. I was going through the [[Help:Welcome]] tutorials and improving whatever I saw that needed to be improved. While I was doing this, I noticed something odd. These pages reminded me of Wikipedia and its aspects. For example, all of the headings were written in ''sentence case,'' not ''title case'' (I've fixed them now). Now, yes, yes, I know that this isn't enough to "remind me of Wikipedia," but here's another example: previously, the examples on [[Help:Welcome/4]] didn't use scratchsig (look in the recent page history).
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So I did some investigation, and it turns out my suspicion was at least semi-correct. If you look at [[Wikipedia:Help:Introduction to talk pages/4]], it uses almost the exact same example as [[Help:Welcome/4]]. Now, when I first saw this, I had plagiarism concerns; even though it's just a tutorial, I think copying and not attributing Wikipedia may be a problem (keep in mind, I am not a lawyer, nor an expert in Wikipedia's legal policies! This was just my suspicion). I was thinking about what I should do about this, and thinking things like "would a post on the Community Portal voicing my concerns be sufficient?".
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So I did some more investigation, but this time it was in the form of copying some text from the [[Help:Welcome]] tutorials to my clipboard and doing a web search. Turns out, a lot of other wikis use some of the ''exact same wording'' as our tutorials, but replacing our wiki-specific stuff with their wiki-specific stuff. This kind of relieved my concerns about plagiarism, as now I thought it might be a MediaWiki thing or something like that.
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But the problem is, these tutorial pages were not created when the Scratch Wiki began{{-}}they were created by a Wikian named {{user|Mrsrec|name}} in January 2014. Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything in the early page histories hinting at where that user got the text from.
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Anyway, I'm sorry for that very long buildup, but my question for you is: do you know anything about these pages, and where they originally came from? I know that you weren't on the wiki in January 2014 (and I wasn't either; I joined in October 2014), but you certainly know a lot more about MediaWiki and the technical side of things than I do. As I said, I thought that this could be something that is provided by MediaWiki as a sort of "boilerplate tutorial."
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In the beginning of this "mini-investigation," I had legitimate concerns, but not as much anymore (for the reasons I mentioned above). If you don't know anything about this, that's fine too. I'm sorry for taking up your time. {{e|:P}} Also, I hope I'm not missing something and the answer is really obvious. Then I would have just wasted my time. {{e|:P}}
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Also, I didn't post this on the Community Portal because I felt it was not related enough to daily Scratch Wiki matters to post it there. (However, if someone other than Ken reads this, feel free to reply!)
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Best regards, <br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 04:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Oh, by the way, if you don't want to read something this long or don't care to look into it or reply, that's fine too. {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 05:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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::As far as I know there isn't a boilerplate tutorial in MediaWiki, so our welcome tutorials are probably modified from Wikipedia. If so, that's not plagiarism, it's legitimate adaptation, because Wikipedia, and we, are under CC BY-SA. It's disturbing to me that Mrsrec created the tutorials, though, because there's a bad history with that one. Still, legally it's 100% fine.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::I think like Ken. This wiki is applying one of the CC BY-SA licenses, so someone can apply every CC BY-SA licenses(they are compatible with all of CC BY-SA licenses). Nobody don't need supply it for every use, [https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/License_Versions#Detailed_attribution_comparison_chart that's some kind of "their choices".] Legally, there isn't a problem now, but if Wikipedia warns us - however, that's nearly impossible, internet is a huge world - we must add a notice.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 09:35, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::Interesting. Thanks for replying. I still find it odd that other non-Wikipedia wikis use the same tutorials, though. {{e|:P}} I thought you had to attribute Wikipedia though?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 12:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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*First answer: Yes, sort of.
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*Second answer: No, because of Wikipedia's general rules, you don't need mention as I know. Also, I said in OP, nobody wants to warn every wikis individually.
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*Third answer: There is international laws like fair use or Berne Convention, but I don't think they are working fully compatible. Also, if you take a look Wikipedia's policies, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Copyrights|they allow copy-paste to another place.]]
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In conclusion: Wikipedia's legal status isn't clear so much because they're using multiple licenses+their own rules+includes anonymous and problematic articles/edits. Some of countries banned Wikipedia in the past because of that. As final, I think there isn't a problem for now - without if they change the rules, but I don't think so - We can use without mentioning Wikipedia for now. For example, Scratch Wiki is using Wikipedia with interwiki link.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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:I'm not sure you're right about "you don't need mention as I know," at least according to the "Attribution" section of [[Wikipedia:WP:Copyrights#Reusers' rights and obligations]].
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:However, again, I'm not sure there is a problem, because many wikis use the same tutorials as us. I thought it could be something built-in to MediaWiki, but Ken doesn't think so. Perhaps it's something like that, but more subtle? Like, some pre-written tutorials that anyone can use for their wiki and {{user|Mrsrec|name}} just found? I'm really not sure, though I'm not as worried anymore about copyright (as I said in my original post).
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:<small>Also, I am dedicated to keeping this emoji as the only emoji that is used in this conversation: {{e|:P}}</small><br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:16, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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::Alright, Ken and ahmetlii, look at this: [[Help:Tracking Changes]]
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::Now compare it to this: [[Wikipedia:MW:Help:Tracking changes]]
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::I guess we can confirm that ''this'' was a pre-written page for wikis based on MediaWiki now (and look! it's in the public domain, so no attribution is necessary), though I'm still not sure about the [[Help:Welcome]] tutorials.
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::This helps me, though, because now I know of this: [[Wikipedia:MW:Project:PD help]]
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::So there ''are'' sets of tutorials (in the public domain) provided by MediaWiki for new wikis{{-}} so I was partially correct. Again, I'm still not sure about the [[Help:Welcome]] tutorials specifically, though. Did either of you know about this? {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:46, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::Yes, I can't see any similar tutorial with [[Help:Welcome]].
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:::I know that some of technical articles copied from MediaWiki (and I'm using it for information, MediaWiki has the best resources for Wikitext and server-side PHP-Wiki collaboration). However, lots of MediaWiki articles are created by Wiki system, and you cannot see their histories and cannot edit it (except admins). [[Help:Welcome]] is probably created for helping new users inspired from Wikipedia, like [[Scratch Wiki:Scratch Wiki Adventure]] but I think anybody will not need them '''so much''' in a near future - extensions are developing for Wiki's every years. I think this topic is probably {{done|closed}}.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 21:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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== My new template ==
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Hi Ken, I'd appreciate it if you could tell me what you think of [[User:Bigpuppy/UpDown]], my new template. It was inspired by [[Wikipedia:Template:Skip to top and bottom|this template on Wikipedia]], though I didn't take any code from there.
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You don't have to give me feedback, but you've given me feedback on my templates in the past, so maybe you enjoy it! {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 05:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Oh, and also, I already know of the issues with viewing it on vector. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 05:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Your methods are sound, but what's the idea behind [https://i.gyazo.com/6361b925323de10d07c76cd39f77d4f9.png leaving so much space between it and the side of the page]?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:16, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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::As a second note, [https://i.gyazo.com/470a30749eb84114599dcf8b793e20c8.png up/down buttons isn't working good on mobile.] I think the buttons' place should be at right middle.<span style="color:grey">(I'm talking about mobile phones, tablets, etc. If you look to Ken's screenshot, you will see that it's cropped from a computer.)</span>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 08:59, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::Ken, that's so it shows up nice beside [[User:Bigpuppy|my sidebar]]. Maybe I'll add a parameter to change the position. Ahmetlii, ditto. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 14:29, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::Hmm, I just realized that it's not responsive, so it may not show up nice next to my sidebar on some screens (not just mobile screens, but also desktop/laptop computer screens).<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 14:37, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Ahmetlii, I see that you edited your post multiple times — however, I already understood what you meant the first time. As I said, maybe I'll add a parameter to change the position. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 14:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Ahmetlii, Ken, it now has parameters and documentation for how to move it wherever you want on the screen. What do you think?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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Looks like good, but I'm not sure about CSS page documentation; <code>.updown</code> isn't working.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 17:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Really? It's working for me.. Have you done a [[Help:Hard Refresh|hard refresh]]?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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::Hard refresh is hard in mobile and special CSS pages aren't working accurately. If it's working for you, there's not a problem.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:02, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::Ah, okay. (Also, please don't edit my posts, no matter how minor the edit; I put two periods for a reason {{e|;)}})<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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== As of writing, you have exactly 12,000 edits! ==
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[[Special:Editcount/Kenny2scratch|Congratulations!]] {{e|tenmil}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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:{{e|tenmil}} I realized that this record won't be breakable for another five years... {{e|O_O}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Making a couple edits to blow me past it... 11000 and 12000 now recorded! Yay me {{e|:D}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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== [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal#Logging server faults]] ==
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I realize that this is the fourth topic in a row I've posted on this page, and no one else has posted one in-between, but...
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What do you think about having a separate page for [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal#Logging server faults]]? I've collapsed it so it takes up less space, but that won't help the CP loading time, and since it's a {{not done|never done}} topic, it will only get larger. Multiple people have voiced their support for a separate page there too. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 22:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Moved}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

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