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Feel free to leave a message here about anything — it could be an edit (or mistake) I made, something you want to bring to my attention, a question, or a greeting.

Before posting, there are several things I need you to know

• If I left a message on your talk page, feel free to respond there or here, but stay consistent — don't respond here then continue the discussion there.
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• For reference, revision 234435 was done by Kenny2scratch on 09/09/2019

Creating A Professional-Looking User Page

Hello Kenny2scratch,

I was looking at your user page, and I thought it looked very professional. I was wondering if you could give me any tips or suggestions about how to organize my user page, or if you could let me know another place where I can find that information. I'm also curious about how to sign my username. I tried using the "Sign your username" wiki markup code, but I couldn't figure out how to use it.

I'm editing this message to ask another question. I'm really new to the Scratch Wiki (As you probably know) and I saw that there was a bullet point on your talk page that said: "For reference, revision 231783 was done by AdeptMind on 17/07/2019" I'm worried I accidentally edited your page. If you could let me know how this works, and if I'm doing it right, that would be great! Thanks, and sorry for all of the questions!

-AdeptMind

Hi! Did you read the Welcome tutorial? One of the things it covers is how to use talk pages properly. In advance, though, you sign your name with four tildas (four of these: ~) at the end of the last line of your message.

I built up my userpage over months and eventually years. Under the surface, it's actually a hideous mess of styling and failed experiments (though I have attempted to refactor it before). I encourage you to learn some stuff about HTML, then try to recreate (or approximate, I wouldn't recommend going for a complete or accurate reformation) my userpage without looking at the source code; once you have done that, you can start thinking about how you want your page to look at a higher level without having to worry about the execution of the concept. TL, DR: Learn about HTML and figure things out - it's your page and I can't tell you how to make it.

The "revision NUM was done by NAME on DD/MM/YYYY" is just something I have in there for fun - it uses the magic words REVISIONID, REVISIONUSER, REVISIONDAY, REVISIONMONTH, and REVISIONYEAR, all of which you can look up in the linked page. Also, talk pages are meant to be edited by others - it is only userpages where you are not allowed to edit others'.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  22:40, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help! I don't currently have time to learn HTML, but I'm going to be taking a programming class in school next year, so hopefully that will cover HTML, or at least help me learn fundamental skills that will help with HTML.

AdeptMind (talk | contribs) 15:44, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I thought signing your username literally meant signing it XD. I was confused about if it would ask me to use my mouse to sign my name for each message, or if there was a place I could create a pre-made signature for each message, but now I know that's not what it means. Thanks!

AdeptMind (talk | contribs) 15:49, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I don't want to interrupt but when posting we always indent one more than the other person (using :), and use {{outdent}} after 6 or 7 indents!

For example:

This is aligned all the way to the left.
:This is indented slightly.
::This is indented more.
:::This is indented more.
::::This is indented more.
:::::This is indented more.
::::::This is indented more.
{{outdent|6}}
This is an outdent.

is shown as:

This is aligned all the way to the left.

This is indented slightly.

This is indented more.

This is indented more.

This is indented more.

This is indented more.

This is indented more.

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ This is an outdent.

And keep up the great editing!

Haha Ken, betcha to it!
TenType (talk | contribs) 16:14, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

dood I pointed them at the Welcome tutorial - they were meant to learn indentation from that.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  16:17, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Ah sorry, I just saw that they hadn't indented after you telling them to go to Help:Welcome (assumed that they read it but didn't read the part for indenting)
TenType (talk | contribs) 04:43, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

ed/ing

So, about the grammar on the "need edited/ing", I've had issues with this before, when my friend told me it was wrong. I guess where I'm from the the "to be" is implied, e.g. "the dog needs fed" really means "the dog needs to be fed". My friend said it wasn't implied (I said something like "need punished"), so I was like "Haven't your parents ever said "the dog needs fed?" And some of my friends agreed with me, and she disagreed. I guess when it comes to talking, in casual conversation, it's implied to most people, but on the Wiki I should be more careful :P Plus, I guess you interpreted it as what I meant was "ing", but I saw that and was like "What? That isn't what I meant." If I had realized that I would have changed it to "need to be repositioned".

Just felt the need to note this.
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  23:43, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Wait so what are you talking about?

Regardless, in standard English grammar, the only correct forms are "the dog needs to be fed" and "the dog needs feeding". "The dog needs fed" is simply invalid.

But I need to know what the context is.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  16:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Haha sorry, I meant the latest revision of this

I didn't mean you were wrong to correct me, I knew that it was wrong once I saw your edit. I just felt like saying something about it since I've had an issue with it in the past. I know that it's wrong, it's just that I would have corrected it differently, and I thought it was kind of funny.

I guess I just have a strange sense of humor.
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  18:14, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Ahh, it is all so clear now.

Interesting. I actually considered both corrections, but I went with the ed->ing change because a) I thought that that was what you meant to say and b) ed->ing made for a shorter sentence than ed->to be ed.

You do have a strange sense of humor :Kappa: but I only say that because I find it intriguing rather than funny :)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  18:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

I had to look up what kappa was XD
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  22:36, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

How did you make the line on top of your status?

How did you make the line on top of your status in your header? I'm just wondering because I want to make one in my header (User:Ajsya/Header). To add some other text under.
ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  17:05, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

You can view the source of my header to find out how, but in short I do it with a bottom border on a div. (Look up anything you don't know.)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:57, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Did I make the right decision?

Hey, could you please look at this request? I was really, really, really, really hard-pressed on this one, and I feel bad rejecting it as they had all the right parts, but were not specific enough and did not use complete sentences. Would you mind looking at it, and if you think differently than I do, possibly change it (as I trust your opinion more than mine)? Again, it was really hard for me to make this decision. Thanks (I hope it's okay that I'm posting this on your talk page).
bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:49, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Heh, I saw that one and left it for later because it was hard for me as well. It's easier to justify a decision in retrospect than it is before making it, so thank you for making that decision :)

I think that was the right thing to do because:

1. It's not clear enough what each flaw is correcting (e.g. "the", but what was the original spelling?)
2. (Incorrectly) Linking to the Vector Graphics page doesn't tell us the intent - did they mean to add some info from that page? or add a link to that page? or...?

And in general as you said it wasn't specific enough and didn't use complete sentences.

(Posting this on my talk is fine since you don't have any other method of contacting me. *hint hint*)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  00:51, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I see. Thank you. (About the text in the parentheses: even though the Wiki is seperate from Scratch, it is still connected, so, I still don't think having a real-time wiki talk is okay unless we contacted the Scratch Team about it. )
bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi!

I live in Hong Kong too and am horrified of the situations (Yuen Long Station fight etc.)

I want to ask you how to do user page cutoffs (e.g. USER:Kenny2Scratch/something).

Thanks!

Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 12:06, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

They're called subpages, and you create them by literally just visiting them - type User:Congyingzhou/subpagename into the address bar where a page title would go and then choose "create" from the pencil menu.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  23:08, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello

Is there a extended cheatsheet or something like it?
AFNNetworkK12 (talk | contribs) 04:04, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

What sort of cheatsheet? The help pages give more detail but the cheatsheet is the cheatsheet.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:13, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

I guess the cheatsheet with the template and bold stuff
AFNNetworkK12 (talk | contribs) 04:15, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

If you're just looking for it, here it is
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:22, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Question

Uh I see you're worried about Hong Kong's future now. Also, how do you create the sidebar?
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 06:46, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Er, hello?
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 12:12, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, missed this! My sidebar can be seen here - I know it's a mess but I don't know how to explain it other than by showing it. Feel free to click edit but don't save.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks so much!
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 05:02, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Signature Change

You changed my signature background. I could read it.
Scratch-Coding (Talk |Scratch |341 edits) 16:23, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

I will add the background back with a lighter shade of green.

Scratch-Coding (Talk |Scratch |341 edits) 16:26, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Your signature was unreadable and therefore was not an acceptable signature. I fixed it for you. Nonintrusive backgrounds are fine - go ahead. (Also, I just fixed it again - we require signatures to have a line break at the start. Yours didn't have one. See S:GOODSIG.)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Questions cuz im a n00b

Hello there! I have seen a lot of people on the Scratch Wiki with custom signuatures and was hoping you could tell me how to do one myself! Do I need a javascript file? or do I need this page here? Thanks!
TheAwesome98 (talk | contribs) 13:15, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

S:GOODSIG documents the method you should use for making a custom signature - but keep in mind if you think it's too complicated the default scratchsig is a good fallback :)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Does Scratch Wiki have a Sandbox?

Hello. I was wondering if the Scratch Wiki has something like Wikipedia's Sandbox whihc is a page for messing around and getting familiar with creating pages!
ScratchToolBox (talk | contribs) 20:53, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

S:SANDBOX
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  05:25, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Ur Bot

um, how do I compress files, ur bot alerted me
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 12:35, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Go to TinyPNG.com
bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Where do you draw the line?

Where do you draw the line for unessesary formating of talk pages. I know a user who's talk page is very anoying and has so much formating to the point that It's ruining the messages, templates, signatures, etc. Where do you draw the line? (I'm not trying to be mean to this specific user or anything)
ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  02:33, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm going to need more context (and better spelling: unnecessary, formatting, annoying) than that - I draw the line on a case-by-case basis, and my line may be different from other EWs' lines. If you really don't want to snitch publicly, you can report the latest revision of the talk page concerned (go to history, next to "undo" is "report") and state what you think is excessive, but I think it would be better to just say here.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:27, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay thanks
ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  16:30, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Violations of Scratchers' Privacy

Hi! As you know, when a user submits an account request, they input their email. There is no problem with that. However, the problem I have is that those emails show in the account request queue. This feels like a violation of Scratchers' privacy, especially as Experienced Wikians are just normal Scratchers like them. Of course we'll never use their email addresses for anything non-Scratch Wiki-related, but that's exactly my point. We don't need to see their email addresses. All emails are handled by the system. Therefore, I don't see why we need to be able to see their emails. It's fine if you can't/don't have time to/don't think it's necessary, but I was wondering, if it isn't too hard too, if you could remove "email" from what we see in the request queue. Again, it's okay if you can't or have other opinions, but I'm just telling you mine.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:30, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I agree with this.
smileycreations15 (talk | contribs) 16:33, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

That's not so possible since CA relies on emails and we rely on a bold confirmed symbol, but I can try and wing it if someone sends over a copy of the modified CA.
banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,608)) 16:41, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

That makes since.
ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  18:22, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

(*sense)

Actually, though the English wiki procedure ignores the emails and only requires their confirmation, the Test wiki actually uses emails for when the request is held. Additionally, "Experienced Wikians are just normal Scratchers like them" is not entirely true - on the main site, sure, there is no higher rank than Scratcher besides the Team, but on the Wiki you have been elected to be trusted with this information and, in the rare cases when it's necessary, use it. Besides that, showing the email can help with reviewing the request in the first place - if the email looks like a student email (which frequently can't receive external mail) or looks fake, EWs can then refer the case to a bureaucrat; and that can't be done automatically by the system.

As to the whole "privacy" thing, we make it clear that we collect emails, and it would be foolish not to expect them to be seen. We also cleared our email collection (and viewing) with the ST, during both the transfers to wiki.scratch.mit.edu and to the current domain.

All in all, removing emails is more trouble than it's worth, and worth more than its trouble.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC)