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Empty talk page, called it.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 00:38, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Yep, I archive whenever it gets above 30K or so characters, waiting until it seems the active discussions all die down.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:55, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


I am running, please add me. Thanks!
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Added. :)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:15, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


Can I create a really nice-looking Scratch Wiki:Elections November 2014 page using good CSS styling and formatting for the elections? For some reason I want to make the page.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:18, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Sure. You can draft it as a subpage of your userpage. Please just include all the info on the current page (Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2014), but add anything else you think would be important.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:20, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
It looks great so far.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:23, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


I tried to edit the latest CP archive as a joke b4 you protected it but you were too fast.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Ninja'd! :P
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:18, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Also, whenever I type in the "A" for a subject on your talk page, my browser fills in the "www..." for me :P
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:19, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
My life is full of tragedy :P
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 15:20, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Also, I know the list of candidates for EW?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 23:29, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
I think we're going to wait till September 30th or the day after to release the list.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:41, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Aaaah I'm so excited to see if I'm getting into the election :3
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 23:45, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── What I meant is that I already know. Everyone except for me is getting in.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:51, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Why are you saying that...? How do you know?
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:53, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
And besides, there will be 6 final candidates, and 9 have already nominated themselves ;) Not everybody's going to get in, but honestly, I think you have a better chance than some other people on getting in...
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:55, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Because after the incident with S:S there is no way I'll get in.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:55, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
And Derpmeup the edit conflicter, that makes me feel really happy :)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 03:55, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Honestly, something as small as that won't completely abolish your chances. It was just a mistake, and it was only 2 reverts ;) Also, for some reason, I edit conflicted myself a couple minutes ago xD Weird
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 03:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Per our policy, I am not allowed to distribute the list of candidates yet, as we are still discussing it and the nomination period is not over. All I can say is that 5-6 people will be chosen out of the 9 (so far) that nominated themselves.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 11:04, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
There's 12 now. ;)
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 22:30, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Why is the CP archived so fast ? Want at least one Thread back

CP#Why is the CP archived so fast ? Want at least one Thread back here!


MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

just post a new post in the current cp but add a snippet from the old discussion you want to use.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:19, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh i see that jvvg has brought it back for you ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:25, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

A new question about ScratchR...

Remember jvvg how you uploaded a copy of ScratchR and shared it in the CP? I just unzipped it and got a .vmdk and a .ovf file. I also downloaded virtual box to run the vmdk, and added the vmdm:
After that, I ran the vmdk and got: I'm not sure what to do after this to open the Scratch 1.4 website, or if I'm doing anything wrong. Can you help me? Also, I'm running OSX Mavericks.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

That's odd. You should be getting an OVA file by itself.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:56, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
An .ova file? I'll try redownlaoding ScratchR then.
In the meanwhile, since several Wikians liked the story I submitted for KrIsMa's speech collection effort earlier in the CP, would you mind if I submitted a CP topic about a new narrative? Or would you consider that off topic?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Front Page

You need to update the front page to say something about 4 million scratchers!!!
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 22:20, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes Done
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

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WikiMonitor (talk | contribs) 15:31, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

New Composition #2

I thought I might share it with you: Multiple Personalities What do you think of it?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:24, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

It's good except that the audio doesn't work. :P
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:26, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Actually, hold that thought. The problem is on my end. Since you shared a piece with me, here's my latest one: [1]. Please note that it is unfinished.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:27, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Listening to it on another computer, it sounds pretty nice.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:38, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I had to record my piece with my laptop, which is apparently a worse recorder then my iPod touch. You'd expect the opposite.
But anyway, I'm glad that you liked my piece! I liked your piece too, especially the chords (which is at least half the song). I even think I started to see some patterns in how you write your music. You like lots of tetrads in your music. It's interesting to note.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:28, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, 4 note chords always seem to convey the most "stuff" in them for me.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:42, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Have you ever tried experimenting with chords that aren't just c e g c? (Or the same thing in other keys?)
By the way, what's this talk about a negative ticket balance?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:10, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Well, my Modern Piano Sonata has more variety in chords. I wrote it after taking a thing on chord progression in piano theory.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:35, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Wait, so you could teach me about chord progression? Could you? Pretty please?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, I can only give you the bits I know about it, and I only sort of follow the traditional rules. The basic rule is that you need to include all three elements of a chord (1 3 5) in every chord. You also need to avoid certain things, such as parallel fifths or octaves (that's the rule I break most). I was only sort of following the rules (e.g. having the long note be VII, B Major in C# Minor at the beginning; that's discouraged).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:45, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
pretty much down 5 up 4 for the root chord, jvvg
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:49, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Parallel 5ths means having fifths in two chords in a row (e.g. c e g c, g b d g).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:51, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
that's discouraged? it sounds good though lol
anyways jvvg mor maj its iii vi ii or IV V or vii diminished then I
minor VII III VI iidimished or iv v or vii augmented then i
yeah thats all of the progressions lol
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:55, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
When I'm writing in natural minor (i.e. not harmonic), VII is major.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:01, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── User:derpmeup/Talk About Music :P
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 01:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

at least we aren't talking about this on the cp! ::)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:12, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
@jvvg: I thought c e g c wasn't having two fifths in a row, but having two firsts in a row?
Anyway, never mind about my request on chord progression! KrIsMa just taught me.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:17, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I was more talking about writing chords and stuff.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
For a moment there I thought you were talking about something completely different. I have no clue why.
I also seem to break the octave rule, but not too often.
Anyway, I'm adding this to my music theory document!
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:39, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


Because I know that you have some knowledge with PHP, can you tell me like where a workspace is, so that I can type in code and I can render it?
Jandrewg (talk | contribs) 20:57, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

You need a server with PHP support. Since PHP is server-side code, you need significant background knowledge just to get started.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Alright then

So, that's the way you roll. Bye.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what time zone you live in, but if you live in the same one I do, it's about time to go to bed now or pretty soon. Regardless, please get some sleep when it is time to go to bed. Tomorrow morning, please think about things. I plan to do the same. I know I reacted kind of harshly to what happened, but you also reacted harshly to SSS. If you really do decide that leaving the Wiki is the best thing, then you are welcome to do so and I won't stand in your way. However, the Wiki is an amazing place, and if we all respect each other, contributing to it is extremely rewarding. Think about it tonight, get some sleep, and decide again tomorrow whether you really want to leave. This way, emotions can subside and you can think with a clearer head.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:08, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Maybe you're riYou're totally right, I will still quit, but only for tonight. I will come back tomorrow. I hope we can be happier then. Unrelated : You learned in June that you go to bed right around my dinnertime.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 01:17, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, yeah. Well, enjoy dinner, I'm off to bed.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:19, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
What happened that involves me?
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 15:32, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
The EW speech thing. I have deleted the involved pages, so please let's not discuss it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:35, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

User getting around a ban

I believe Tcodina who recently proposed a Spanish Wiki, is banned on the main site. I don't know how you want to do this but for backing up, look at Superdoggy's comment on Tcodina's profile.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:15, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Actually, a common misconception, we no longer ban users on the Wiki unless they go and continue their trouble here. In one case, Molybdenum, they were banned because they kept complaining about it and nobody could get anything done.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
However, part of the point of the verification code is to make sure that you have not been banned on the main site.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 13:28, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh. I thought they were banned here.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 14:03, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I think I saw veggieman001 once say that they've been banned 4 times on the main site, but never here.
derpmeup (talk | contribs) 14:47, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
The policy is that we don't ban users on the Wiki unless they cause trouble here as well. If the user is banned on the main site but continues to make productive edits here, then he/she remains unbanned here.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:53, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── OK. Thanks everybody. I thought I read about something in S:CONTRIB.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 16:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


Can admins move categories?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:15, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

We can only move them as anybody else can. However, I do have a bot capable of changing the pages.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
No, I cannot move them. So you can't either? I will update my copy of WikiMonitor, so I can recat all the pages.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:50, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
No, I've got this. The WM on github doesn't support recat anyway, I don't think. What do you want me to recat?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Change all the categories from "scratch 2.0 editor images" to "Scratch 2.0 JSON Images", please.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:53, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Also can you update the WM on github?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 17:53, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
WM on GitHub is only the RC crawler. The other tasks are stuff that aren't really specific to WM, so I hold on to them myself. Also, if you think the crawler is poorly documented, the scripts are much worse. They are near-impossible to use, and they all take different input formats.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:57, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
K- but I'd still like them if and when you go on vacation next year.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 18:54, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

You're part of FutureSight, right?

Hey, I am browsing the Wiki on Silvinet. And there are some problems. The skin doesn't work, all the links are orange, Silvinet keeps saying that "scratchBlocksPlugin is undefined", and it is showing 2 logos. The 2.0 wiki one and the 1.4 one (without the text underneath)
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:51, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

That's because it uses the .NET browser engine. Unfortunately, not much can be done about it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:52, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
We can do some stuff about it over here. I use vector so no biggie when I'm logged in, but it is still whining about Scratchblocks2.
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 19:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
That browser doesn't always parse CSS and JS properly. It doesn't pass the ACID3 test, so by web design standards supporting it is a waste of time.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:05, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Reply to an old post

You said: this
I say: I don't care, it's funny anyway! :P
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 20:46, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

I guess.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


I'm not advertising it; I am just offering myself. Is that somehow wrong?
Krett12 (talk | contribs) 22:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

No, but since the feature is only supposed to be available to admins and EWs, we should be encouraging users to ask those people.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:56, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

How did you learn PHP?

PHP is the one thing I really need to do in order to, I don't want to say master, but excel at web design. I passed the course on Codecademy but it really did not apply it to useful situations nor teach how to use it with MySQL databases. Where did you learn PHP?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 13:06, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I would like to know this too.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 13:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, at least to get started, I actually had LS97 give me a short crash course in it. I then just started creating stuff with it (my first project was "CodeShare", a website to upload code). For a long time, I never learned SQL because I just stored everything in files. SQL is pretty complicated, but if you want, I can try to give you a crash course. However, doing so would probably require a better medium of communication than the Wiki.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:10, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I actually passed PHP on Codecademy but felt it did not provide all the necessary uses of PHP. Suppose I have a text file in the same directory as my PHP. What would be the PHP code for modifying that text file? That's all I really need to know honestly :P I just need to know how to modify and access a server-side text storage file with PHP.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 15:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and how to pass on HTML form parameters to PHP. Also I found this which helped.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 15:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Just wondering, how much experience do you have in other languages? If you have significant experience in Java or C(++) then PHP may be difficult for a couple reasons. PHP, unlike most other languages, is hybrid procedural and object-oriented. It also has weak data typing (values have types but variables don't), and arrays are extremely weird (keys can be strings, and the sizes are not fixed).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:36, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
I am best in Javascript, no C or Java experience. I do have some PHP experience from Codecademy.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 16:44, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
^That is why i quit PHP. It's just insane like that.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 16:55, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Despite the fact that PHP has a kind of high learning curve, it is an extremely powerful language that allows rapid development of large-scale web stuff. Anyway, if JS is your only experience in a C-based language, PHP should be a little easier.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:19, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I want to be a mainframe programmer. They make like $104,000 a year. My uncle is one in Canada.
-PRO- Logo2.png-PRO- (talk | contribs) 20:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


Please protect my page.
SuperSmashScratch (talk | contribs) 21:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


How do I create a header like your's and derpmeup's?
Fmtfmtfmt2 (talk | contribs) 21:48, 28 September 2014 (UTC)