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== Thankful Thursday! August 27{{th}}, 2020 ==
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 031}}

{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}


The next TT is, September 25{{th}}, see you then!<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{done}}<scratchsig><scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig>

== Time for some more...images that will be featured! ==
{{done}}

I don't know, I had to think of another title idea. {{e|:P}}

If you have any ideas for [[Scratch Wiki Home/Featured Images|featured images]], feel free to post them below! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
:<s>I think we should feature an image of the [[S:CPND]] discussion that suggests adding a designated page for featured image suggestions.</s> {{e|:P}}

:I think that [[:File:Comment Activity.PNG|this image]] is nice, but perhaps we should update it (and the other images on [[Scratch Statistics]]). {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 03:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
::I'm thinking [[:File:P2S_is_a_bunch_of_fluffy_kittens.PNG|this image]] is good enough to be featured.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 07:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
:::<s>@Groko13 {{-}} yes. {{e|:P}}</s>
:::How about [[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]]? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
::::+1, but first change the file's name with a consensus.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::(Update: [[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]] is now [[:File:Report Project.png]].) {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
::::::[[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]] also needs to be updated, the report button was moved.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 01:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}'''+1''' for the report project image!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
<br/>@Dominic305 Added the template to [[:File:Report Project.png]]. Someone can update it if they wish. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{done|Updated}} {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 18:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
::{{done|Updated}} the featured images to [[:File:Comment Activity.PNG]], [[:File:P2S is a bunch of fluffy kittens.PNG]], and [[:File:Report Project.png]]. (Groko13, I also updated [[:File:Comment Activity.PNG]] to the most recent statistics.) Thank you everyone for your suggestions! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

== About updating MediaWiki ==

TL;DR: We're doing some tests to update MediaWiki due to some problems.  Probably the wiki shut down for a few hours when it's ready to be installed. (Note: This is not an official explanation because made by me, so may be ignored)

As the developers, we're currently experiencing some problems on general extensions due to errors; and to solve them, we're thinking to upgrade our wiki to 1.35. This upgration will change a lot of things, from icons to security patch; so we're doing patches to ensure that our extensions will work successfully. When all preparations are completed, probably someone from admins will make an explanation.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
: Where did you get the information about the MediaWiki update here? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

== am i allowed to edit user messages if... ==

Am I allowed to edit user messages if the user calls me something I don't like to be called (only to fix what they call me)? Lots of people call me "Garnetluvcookie", which I don't like because I'm very sensitive about how the G in my name is capitalized. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
:: That is not an allowed usage of editing others' messages. Especially not when Garnetluvcookie ''is'' infact your username, although you may prefer something else and are allowed to make others aware of that. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 19:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
::: oml is this just to trigger me <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: also my scratch username ''is'' @garnetluvcookie, MediaWiki just auto capitalized the G. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: The message was not intended to "trigger" anything-- you asked a question and I answered it. While I am aware that MediaWiki does strictly capitalize username, and you are allowed to edit your signature or use displaytitles on your user (talk) page as appropriate, it would not be appropriate to chastise others for referring to what is your actual name. It also does not constitute editing another users' message as this can sometimes misrepresent what they are saying. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 19:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message. To '''g'''arnetluvcookie, ask Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}Just don't ask him right now, of course. He's busy with his studies. (So am I but I can't resist replying to talk messages...){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
: "Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message." This sarcastic comment is not helpful here. The point is that messages are edited when they are in violation of policies or when they are causing some other problem (for example, messages with erroneous formatting such as unclosed tags, messages adding a page to a category, or something like that. In addition, I ''have'' had others edit my messages in a way that changes their meaning before that has needed to be undone. The actors were doing so in good faith, but it was still problematic.
: "Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him." So, he has a bias, meaning probably ''not'' the best ask. Instead, see the already existing well-established policy which says it should not be edited. In general, talk page messages are treated like userspace. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 00:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::garnetluvcookie, I realize that you may not like the name, but you shouldn't change another person's edit. Instead, you should reply kindly asking them to stop calling you that and to call you the names you prefer.
::You also shouldn't be "triggered" against a capitilization. MediaWiki, and autocorrect, will capitilize yours, and others, names.
::If they continue calling you that name (or purposely capitilize it), that's a completely different story. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::: The user repeatedly keeps calling me Garnetluvcookie , and I've reported the revisions and no action has beeen taken. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Have you asked the user to stop?
::::I also don't think reporting the revision for this matter is appropriate. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::I have asked the person to stop at least 4 times. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 17:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Ok... but instead of reporting their revision, ask an admin or someone. But please [[Scratch_Wiki:Assume Good Faith|assume good faith]] in the future. It may be an accident. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}} I am assuming good faith. It's most likely an accident, but it's just something I'm sensitive about and annoys me... a lot. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:Great! Just a suggestion: maybe include the names you don't want to be called on your userpage.
:May I ask why the capital 'G' annoys you? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Sure. There are many reasons why, but the important one is that I never put capital letters in my usernames because it messes up literally my whole profile page for some reason and makes me look like someone who Talks Like This. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::: i just realized i single-handedly blew up the CP 😲 <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::That's a weird reason in my perspective, but you do you....
::::Only 4 KB left to go before archiving {{e|;)}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: Do I what? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Clarification: You must not use Report extension unless you need to contact admins urgently and privately, like sharing email or vandalism. If you "abused" Report extension, you may be blocked. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 19:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}} I don't want to start a flame, but I believe that was a fair report because it may seem small to you, but it affects me mentally and emotionally. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:Maybe make a less strict report extension? In this case, the 'new' report button could've been used to report a user that hasn't stopped calling garnetluvcookie with a 'G'...
:I'm not sure, it's just a thought.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::So there's been a lot of discussion on both sides of this matter - I thought it would be appropriate to share my two cents on the matter. To be clear, I do not wish for my reply to be hostile, demeaning, or rude, simply a summary on my thoughts.
::I do not believe that it is a "weird perspective" to have a [https://regex101.com/r/QSyeGl/3 preferred way of being referred to as]. Sometimes the little things can really tick people off, and I understand that. I also understand that MediaWiki autocapitalizes names, such as jvvg/Jvvg, however we should all take note of people's preferred names and call them by that rather than their MediaWiki name.
::In instances where a user has been referred to incorrectly, whether intentionally or inadvertently (as has been stated before, [[S:GF|Assume Good Faith]] {{E|:)}}), the proper course of action should be to ask the user nicely not to refer to you as that and give a correct preferred name, which I can see has been done here multiple times. I understand it may upset/annoy the user who has been incorrectly referred to, however editing a message should not happen, which I can also see has not taken place. Good job!
::Reporting should also not usually be used in these circumstances - instead, CC an admin or EW into the conversation and they will (hopefully) ask the user nicely to use the correct name.
::@garnetluvcookie I understand that how you are referred to affects you deeply. Please don't think you are being told off here. In fact, by asking the user nicely to not call you by a certain name, you've done the right thng. Well done. {{E|:)}}
::I think we all need to calm down and hold off sarcastic, snidy, or mean comments. We're a community built on being welcoming and enjoyable, let's keep it that way. :){{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 20:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Small question: what do you mean by CC? <s>Isn't that a copyright</s><br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::@12944qwerty CC, as in, carbon copy, I assume.
::::If you didn't know, CC is for sending a copy to another user for their information. Primary recipients are addressed as "TO" and others as "CC". (there's also BCC, but I don't want to go into more detail) {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 20:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Oh, that makes sense lol. thanks <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

== archive the CP ==

I'm amazed that i basically made it blow up :P (i need to reset my sig so unsigned) {{unsigned|garnetluvcookie}}
:{{doing|Archiving...}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
::{{done|[[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 108|Archived]]}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

== Try it yourself! (button) ==

My idea is that there will be some visual scratchblocks, and a button next to it. The user can click on the button, and it will bring them to scratch and remix a project with the code in it. They can then mess around with it.

You could probably use this in

* [[:Category:Tutorials|Tutorials]]
* [[:Category:Blocks|Scratch Block pages]]
* [[Default Value]] (I thought of this idea on this page)
<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
:Can anyone help me understand why the category links aren't showing up? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
::Actually, we're also working about the embed projects (we have different opinions for make it, so I cannot say a specific info.). You can see everyone in here whose want to help for the Wiki! {{e|:)}}
::For the second question, I've fixed it. {{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
:::What? I'm confused. What do you mean by "everyone in here whose are want to help for the Wiki"? There's a lot of English mistakes.... can you please fix it so I can understand? Thanks!
:::OH YEAH, I forgot about putting those for some links... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I meant "please check public and private changelogs and also look at RC".{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::For embedding a scratch project? Can you direct me to it? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{done}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

== Something's wrong ==

{{done}}<br/>
Something’s up, my signature turns timestamps into code boxes, without the actual code tags appearing. Is this an error with my syntax or is it an actual bug? I’m not sure, so if someone could help me with this, that would be great. I’ve been trying to get it right for weeks. An example of the issue can be found below, or at [[User:78ch3/Sig|this page]]{{User:78ch3/Sig}} 00:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
: It's because [[User:78ch3/Sig]] has some new lines it should not. There are two line breaks between <nowiki></span></nowiki> and <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki>. Those new lines should simply be removed (so that it is <nowiki></span><noinclude></nowiki> on one line), and then it should be fixed. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 00:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
:: I got up this morning to fix it, but didn’t read this, so when I came here, it turns out I did exactly what you wanted me to do. {{User:78ch3/Sig}} 21:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
::: {{done}} {{User:78ch3/Sig}} 21:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

== My Banner ==

{{done}} 

Why did my banner get removed? I needed it for my forum signature and I can't use assets on my computer because it won't load and now my signature won't work. <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
:Is this problem related to the forum? If it is, please bring up the topic there and they'll be able to help you more.
:Also, remember for the future to write your texts before your signature. This means that you do <code><nowiki>REPLY/TEXT ~~~~</nowiki></code>. The four tildes are your signature. Thank you! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:21, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
::It was not deleted, it was moved to a different title that was less generic.
::Also, the Scratch Wiki should not be used as an image host for Scratch or anywhere else outside the wiki. I recommend you use another hosting site such as CubeUpload to upload your banner. 
:: <small>and i was caught in an edit conflict</small> {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
:::We're not an [[Image Host|image host]]. Use extensions that upload images to Scratch assets, or look to index.php for deleted images, or host in another website that Scratch allows. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Ah, I just looked at Recent Changes. Your banner didn't get removed. It just got moved so that it had a more specific name.  Banner.png could mean that it's a banner for the Mainspace Scratch wiki pages instead.
::::Your banner is now located here: [[:File:Banner FollowCherryBlossom.png]] 
::::<small>I had edit conflict too lol, with both jammum and ahmetlii at the same time AND MYSELF oh gods</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I've editted like three times and the same has happened and okay <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
:::::The reason for doing so is because I don't use cubeupload or photobucket, I thought it had been deleted <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
::::::You should though. This wiki isn't meant to host images, you should use an actual hosting server. Those are some of the best hosting servers. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}
"Those are some of the best hosting servers" no, those are just the ones allowed by Scratch. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

== out of curiosity... ==

 What's the 3 Revert Rule? I know we use BRD but it's referenced in many places, most notably [[Template:Nutshell|nutshell]]. 
also, whatup with my message it's being weird or *looks above* close your tags!!! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
:The 3 revert rule is when you stop to discuss the revert if it has been reverted three times. At least that's what I remember. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
::I don't think we have 3RR(Three Revert Rule) here. We instead have BRD - Bold, Revert and Discuss.
::Also, indenting your post with a space makes that box thing. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 13:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

== Another user’s talk page organization ==

Another user (not mentioning who) on this wiki requires users who post on their talk page that they use level three headings for discussion headings and put their messages in a section (some of which are not at the bottom of the page) on that page, whilst all other talk pages (including user ones) are supposed to use level two headings and require all messages (including bot ones) to go at the bottom of the page. Is the user's way of organising their talk page allowed? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
: I know this user and I don't believe so. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::I don't think it's allowed, but if it is right now then I think it shouldn't be. It's confusing.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 12:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

== How to curate a project? ==

I want to know how to curate a project as I am interested to learn how to. I want to encourage my friend so thats one reason. If you got an idea how, please leave a reply so I can see. Thank you so much for everything and may god bless you abundantly! :) <scratchsig>Ani_coding_PRO</scratchsig> 11:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:Here ya go: [[Curator (front_page)#Application_and_Selection]] <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::@Ani_coding_PRO: Please ask in the [[Questions about Scratch]] forum (link to the forum is on the page) for Scratch-related questions that do not involve this wiki. The wiki is not a replacement for the Scratch Forums. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

== Wiki down? ==

I got an HTTP 500 error for about 30 seconds a minute ago. Other wikis (I checked de, test, and fr) were up. Was this a server problem? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
: And again... <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::This was a result of some preparatory work we're doing for the upgrade. Unfortunately there wasn't any way to do it without any disruption. However, it should be done now. You may experience some slowdown for a while, but not any more downtime.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 17:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::: Thanks. I am experiencing some slowness (a page takes around 1 minute to load) so that explains that. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I think the slowness has finally been resolved, so we should be good to go going forwards. I do not anticipate any remaining disruption to the Wiki until we actually perform the upgrade (we do not have a specific day planned yet, but hopefully soon).<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 20:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: Yay! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 20:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Also running great for me! Did you figure out what was causing it or did it just go away by itself?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}
With some help from apple502j and banana439monkey I was able to fix it. The issue was that 1. apcu (a PHP extension that greatly improves performance) wasn't enabled and 2. there was a setting keeping it from actually running even after I enabled it.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 20:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
:Don't understand how, but I'm still receiving a HTTP 500 error whenever I try to go to Recent Changes {{-}} It's always slow with loading, but it's never completely been broken. Is it because I have some laggy softwares on on my computer at the moment?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 07:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Do you use a browser other than Chrome or Safari? I've tested on my Mac on both Safari and Chrome and it works fine. It also may be your internet connection spitting false errors, but I can't confirm that because I have full bars and I'm literally 10 feet away from the router thing. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:::I use Google Chrome or Safari most of the times, coincidentally. I've tested on Lenovo (Windows 10) and now I'm on my father's Mac, but Recent Changes still gives a 500 error, and I don't have those laggy softwares on here.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 13:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: Odd. I've tried on Chrome and Safari on my Mac and my iPad, and i get no error. Try rebooting your WiFi? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Not at the moment, since my router is in the basement and I don't really wanna go there at the moment. However, quick status update: it's still happening.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::: Ok. I'll try to replicate it and find a fix. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 17:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}
I am not receiving any HTTP errors but [[Special:ScratchLogin|ScratchLogin]] is broken for me. It keeps telling me I have not commented the code even after commenting. <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:<small>please outdent correctly!</small><br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 22:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
::It's been more than a day since this has happened and it's still occurring. Could somebody please help? My dad went down and restarted the router today too.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Try going to Private Browsing and opening it without logging in? Maybe your entries per page is too high. Mine is set to 300 from the last 30 days.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I'll try that; I think I set my entries per page to the highest possible amount, so that could be the issue. Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::I didn't do it exactly the way you said, but I tried logging out and now I have the link for 50 entries, so I can use it for going to Recent Changes. This is definitely not a very efficient method, but because I'm an idiot I think this will work find for now. Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Awesome, glad I could help you fix it!{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}
Even better, I found a way to let it do it automatically! Thank you so much for the help!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

== is this normal? ==

[[File:WHAT HAPPENED.png|1000px]]<br />

i think i successfully broke the wiki <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:It's because you're on vector skin and zoomed in all the way.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:: but i wasn't <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::We do not officially support the Vector skin (or any other non-ScratchWikiSkin skin) and cannot make any guarantees everything will work with it. Also it looks like you are either zoomed in all the way as 12944qwerty said or on a small screen. On my screen, preferences looks fine in vector.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Try disabling Dark Reader (right?) and seeing if it works.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: ahahaha you got me :P <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

== Proposing changes on the roles ==
{{done}}

Hi everyone. With the update, MediaWiki will give an extra feature for us: Time-limited roles. With it, we can do time-limited bots for testing, give role for a technical stuff and more. However, as the developers and admins, we will not want to enable it before getting a consensus - because it's about moderation also, undesirable actions may make different things.
	
===Discussion===

This will gonna be huge.
{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:To my opinion, it's a good idea - and I believe that the admins will give it only for necessary actions. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:: This is not something that needs discussion or enabling -- it is always on by default. Discussion {{done}} <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 19:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

== Downtime coming on Tuesday ==

Hi everyone,

As detailed [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/4452468/ in a forum post], the Wiki will be down on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=English%2BScratch%2BWiki%2BUpgrade&iso=20200929T21&p1=797&am=30 Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 9pm Scratch Time/1am UTC] for about 30 minutes (click the link to see it in your own timezone). We will be upgrading MediaWiki to 1.35 from the current version of 1.28. See [[#Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump|the upgrade megathread]] for details about the upgrade itself and what it will entail.

During the upgrade, the English Wiki will be down entirely (all pages will be replaced with a message explaining the situation) and not just read-only. Other language Wikis will continue operating as normal, though they may be a bit slower. Any discussion necessary during that time can take place on our forum topic. We have done a dry run of this upgrade and have ironed out the issues that came up, so we do not anticipate running into any problems. Still, something unexpected may always come up, so please be patient and don't panic if it takes longer than 30 minutes.

TL;DR: The Wiki will be down Tuesday at 9pm Scratch Time for about 30 minutes so we can perform software updates.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:Thank you jvvg and everyone else who has had a part in making this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Great! <small>now i like that i'm in the same time zone as Scratch</small> <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::: Same here. Looking forward to the updates! {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 19:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: Note: You can check update time from [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=English+Scratch+Wiki+Upgrade&iso=20200929T21&p1=797&am=30 here] to convert update time to your timezone. <small>However, I may not be able to see it; it will be at 4 am bruh</small>
:::: Anyway, I just wanted to thanks all users in the Wiki who made constructive edits and @Naleksuh, @Mini_Kostik, @apple502j, @Kenny2scratch, @jvvg, and other people who worked on development phase.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: @jvvg said the link before, sorry. :) {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Awesome (woo upgrade!), but also not awesome (boo downtime!)! I hope all goes well. {{e|10mil}}{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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I hope the upgrade brings exciting new features! (and the downtime will happen when I will be asleep) {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

:I really hope everything will go well during the upgrade :) <scratchsig>LankyBox01</scratchsig> 18:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
::aaa 2 hours left! Hopefully the updates are successful again {{E|:D}} {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 22:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
::::1 hour!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for VisualEditor! <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 23:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: Actually not 1 hour, because the update ''will '' start in a hour.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 00:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::45 minutes left of 1.28.3. Let's all say bye to the glorious... uh... ok I don't know. There's really not too much important to me in the upgrade (visual editor is overrated){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|::::::}} 10 minutes left until the update starts! I'm excited! {{E|:D}}{{User:4096bits/Signature}} 00:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Three more minutes! Thank you to everyone who has worked hard to make this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::The final minute for MW 1.28! {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 00:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::...and, we're back! Thank you to everyone who helped make this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Awesome! Being honest though I kinda like the old MW version more. Not sure why. Also visual editor doesn't work on Scratch Wiki: namespaces?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Also canned edit summaries seem to be broken (clicking on the summary box opens the canned  edit menu){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Dominic305, I don't think visual editor is available for any talk pages. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Oh, I suppose you are right that it isn't available in project space, either. Huh. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== Huh? ==

My browser (this page) just went pitch black for a split second. Did anyone else experience this?<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:No; but for that situation, also you can hard refresh or clean your cache directly.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::As in a simple black flash, that's normally when your browsers just rendered the page again. I wouldn't worry about it.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

== Loss of session data ==

[https://ibb.co/J3FNV9Q]<br>Not exactly sure why, but when attempting to save an edit, I got a session error, but doing the edit again was fine. Has anyone else ever experienced this?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)<br/>
:No. It may be a problem with your iPad or Safari. I haven't used either for editing for at least 4 months, so I cannot confirm. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 20:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::This sometimes happens when your session has conflicting data. Try doing that in an incognito (Chrome) or private (Firefox) window and see what happens, since that guarantees you have a fresh session.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 21:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

== userpage not showing /error ==
{{done}}
::: my user page [[https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788]] is showed as :::external link pls help me i need it to make my siggy how its done is it an error?
 <scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 05:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: It is because of how you are trying to link to your userpage. To have an internal link, you only need the page name, not the full URL of the page. So for your userpage this would be: <code><nowiki>[[User:Arjunking788]]</nowiki></code>. This will create a link like this: [[User:Arjunking788]]. If you want to make the link say something other than the exact page title, like this: [[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]] (without the "User:"), then you can do this: <code><nowiki>[[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]]</nowiki></code>. The reason it displays a "Bad title" error is because you were mixing the external and internal link formats. An external link with custom text is done like this: <code><nowiki>[https://example.com Example Link]</nowiki></code> (notice how it uses a " " (space) instead of a "|"), so you were actually linking to a page called <code>User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788</code>, which isn't a valid page name, instead of <code>User:Arjunking788</code>, which is a valid page name.<scratchsig>Mrcomputer1</scratchsig> 06:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::thank you now i could work on my siggy and i learnt to format css and html to make borders and 
:::::rounded ones
<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 11:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

== Good news, possibly ==
Sorry if this is kind of irrelevant on the CP, but I thought putting it here would be a good idea to stop my excitement-- I have a new computer now for my birthday, which probably means more quality edits around here! You can expect to see me around a lot more often than before, at least for a few days.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:Awesome! Can you tell me what hardware it has?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
::It's a HP Pavilion gaming computer :D I'm mainly targetting to start working on a gaming channel, and this computer also has good visual effects which I need since I use programs like Scratch or the wiki a lot.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
::: Ooh, how many cores does it have? Mine has 6 <s>abs</s> cores.<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 22:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: <small>yeah that's really relevant on the cp</small> anyway, congratulations then.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 22:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Epic, personally I'm going to [https://pcpartpicker.com/user/dominic03/saved/KtzFgs build my own] in a few months for $600.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== 2 problems ==

*1: Ken's canned edit script is broken (triggers when it shouldn't)
*2: [https://ibb.co/x1JXg14 Visual editor problems]{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Number two also [http://u.cubeupload.com/bigpuppy/VisualEditorError.png happens for me] when I try to edit [[User:Bigpuppy/Status]] or [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox]] using the visual editor. Editing my userpage using the visual editor does not display the error. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::I also get it on those pages, so the problem is by page. However, it also has worked for me on a number of pages without issue. I will look into this.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 03:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::I was editing the Featured Studios with Visual Editor to test and got [https://i.ibb.co/C2RxHxg/image.png the error too]... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::The problem is that VisualEditor does not work on subpages. Unfortunately this is a limitation with Apache and the design of the extension. Unfortunately there isn't really much we can do about this for now other than wait for the developers of the extension to release a patch. As for Ken's canned edit script, please contact Ken directly about that, as that is supported by him and not the Wiki as a whole.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

== Upgrade complete! ==

Hi everybody,

I am proud to report that the Wiki upgrade is complete! [[Special:Version|We are now running MediaWiki 1.35]], which should help resolve a lot of the technical issues we've had in the past. My apologies that the upgrade took somewhat longer than planned (a little over an hour instead of the 30 minutes anticipated). The only remaining major issue is that currently foreign file repositories are broken. The reason for this is that the other Wikis are still running MediaWiki 1.28 whose database structure (at least when it comes to files) is incompatible with that of MediaWiki 1.35. The other Wikis will be upgraded at some point in the future, and as each Wiki is upgraded, the file repository will also be linked.

Also, we now have two big new features:
*[https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/scratch-confirmaccount-v3 Our new in-house account request system], which replaces the existing system that was only a modification of an existing system. The new system allows for discussion about requests to take place on the Wiki itself rather than in comments, and also generally is more tailored towards being integrated with Scratch. This system was developed by me, apple502j, Naleksuh and kenny2scratch with translations provided by apple502j (Japanese), ahmetlii (Turkish), smrman (French), and Mini_Kostik (Russian)
*[[mediawikiwiki:Extension:VisualEditor|The VisualEditor extension]], a visual editor. This is still in beta and is currently opt-in (preferences -> editing -> "Enable the visual editor"). We have made preliminary efforts to integrate it with ScratchWikiSkin, but this is still a work-in-progress. Please let us know of any specific issues you encounter.

Thank you everybody for your patience, and please let us know of any issues you may encounter!<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 02:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Great! Thank you to jvvg and everyone else who made this happen! The visual editor was enabled for me by default; was that supposed to happen? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::the wiki is now more clean and more better now. I love the new design when editing
::<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::For some reason, all links are now underlined. This is really annoying, and only came after the update. Could this be fixed?<scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 12:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Yep, that happened to me too. Go to preferences, then appearance, then change the link underlining option. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 13:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Well, the default should be "skin or browser default". <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::It was for me? I didn't have to change my preferences.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Same here; "Skin or browser default" was enabled by default for me. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Well that's weird. Maybe you had already changed your settings in the past? <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 13:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

== link colors ==

::how do i change link colors in html like in siggy
::<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 04:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Hi there! You can use this:
:<code><nowiki><span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span></nowiki></code>
:to make this:
:<span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span>
:You can also use hex codes, for example:
:<code><nowiki><span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span></nowiki></code>
:makes:
:<span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span>
:Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. Also, just so you know (for the future), generally there is no need to indent the first post of a topic. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 04:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::You could also use {{t|Link attributes}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== Skin problems ==

It seems that the Cologne Blue and Modern skins do not work at all. Once you switch to one of them, every page will look like [https://ibb.co/W0Gk7TQ this (Modern)] or [https://ibb.co/LJB762W this (Cologne Blue)]. If the skin is accidently set you can append <code>?useskin=vector</code> so you can revert your settings, but this should still probably be fixed ASAP so new editors don't have this problem and not know how to fix it. It may also be my iPad acting weird so if anyone wants to test it use the Preview function.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
: Let me test on macOS with Chrome... <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Can reproduce on Chromium Microsoft Edge v85.0.564.63 on Windows 10 v1909. Must be something that was broken during the update. {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Probably needs to be updated itself for compatibility. Looks like whatever function it did no longer exists.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 16:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::These were removed from core MW somewhere between 1.28 and 1.35. They have to be manually added or removed. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 17:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::I have updated all skins, so you should be good now. Do be aware that we only provide official support for ScratchWikiSkin.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
::::::Thanks jvvg :){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:24, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

== Is the Scratch website having problems? ==

Anyone else having problems with Scratch? Pretty much all the 'new' parts of the site are broken, and... well... [https://ibb.co/5BLf3vs this image] speaks for itself.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
:I haven't... but wouldn't this be better suited for the scratch website instead? Unless you're also having problems in the forums lol... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
::It was across the website. It seems to be fixed now.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

== help neeeded ==

can an admin clear my [[User:Garnetluvcookie/common.css|css page]]? I cannot clear i myself because the save changes button is obscured. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
:Looks like you solved the issue yourself. Nice job! {{e|:)}}
:<small>Also, in the future, please ask at [[S:CPSYS]] for things like this. Thank you! {{e|:)}}</small><br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

== what does RfC mean ==

i choose to wonder using the scientific method that was bored in my head in grade school and ask: What in the world is RfC? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 04:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
:Request for Comment<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 04:35, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
:: thanks-- OH GOD I HEAR MY PARENTS COMEING *shoves laptop under bed and false-asleep* <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 04:42, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

== How can I find good pages to edit? ==

I'm trying to pull an all-nighter and I need entertainment for the *checks computer* 4 hours...?<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 06:21, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
:You could click the "Random Page" button until you find a page to edit. That's what I usually do. {{User:Illusion705/Signature}} 13:36, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
::Play a few rounds of [[User:TenType#Games|Disambiguation Dodge]] and see if you can beat my score of 55{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:54, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

== VisualEditor Problem ==

When trying to edit en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User:Mitopolis/Scratch_Wiki_Home?veaction=edit, I get Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404). <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 22:15, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
:Yes, I believe that they already know this, Already been noted here: [[S:CP#2 problems]] <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:35, 3 October 2020 (UTC)