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template ranking

I noticed on many pages such as Scratch Days, there are multiple templates. These templates can be put in any order on the page, though. I think this may cause the wiki to not be entirely uniform, and it may seem a little awkward. I was thinking rank the importance of each template so we can figure out where each template would be placed on a specific page. What do you think?
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 00:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, that ""Scratch Days" page looks fine to me. The templates are in the right order. I think we could just decide if a template would be needed, and use it on the page. For example, if you made an article on something related to Scratch 2.0, then you would have to use {{unreleased}}, but it always goes up top of the page. Then {{expand}} (which goes next), THEN that "redirect" template that doesn't have that little box inside it. That's the normal order of the templates. That's what I think about the idea. The page you link to looks fine.
Legobob23o (talk | contribs) 11:56, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
while scratch days looks fine, there are definitely other articles that don't.
i do think there should be some standardisation about it but i'm not sure how it should be.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 13:28, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
After all, it is just three templates at the top in that "Scratch Days" article, along with a template with a list of sensing blocks at the bottom. I'm not saying that we shouldn't try this "template ranking" thing. I'm just saying that I like the order of the templates how they are. But it would be okay with me if you changed them at all.
Legobob23o (talk | contribs) 17:02, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
as i said scratch days looks fine. other articles vary the order, though, so it should be standardised.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 19:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Hm. I think I'll put something like this together in my sandbox. Also, IMO, things for the readers (e.g. about and unreleased) should go before notes for editors (e.g. stub and notUseful).
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) Updated 19:31, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I made a quick mockup of what I think. User:Mathfreak231/Template Order Standards. Comment on what you think at its talk page.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 22:00, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
i kind of feel like they should go in the opposite order, since that's how i read them (they're closer to the content based on how related they are to it) but i might just be really weird. plus, i kinda think unreleased should always be on top.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 22:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Unreleased at the top? Until 2.0 comes out, good idea.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 21:51, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

No Not done We need to re-visit this. Please view my ideas. I updated them slightly.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 16:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I've decided to reply! I like the page about template order and I think it's great. My only thought would be that the ones which are just text as opposed to graphics should go at the bottom because it somehow seems weird having them mixed in. My main worry though is that if this became the rules who would remember and how would we be able to deal with all the pages that are currently wrong?
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 15:54, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I've seen you and others mass-fix pages. If we divide and conquer, we could get things done really quickly.
And I see this as not about "good looking" but in order of importance. I'd rather want to know why typing in something took me to the wrong page than that the page I'm on is a stub.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 21:37, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I suppose so, I support. If we do this maybe we should make a certain order for See Also, References and External Links?
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 16:45, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Image and Category Name Consistency

For categories and images, I think we should have a set of "guidelines" for naming them. As I scam through them, the namings' capitalization is all different and not in sync with one another. For example, there is the category "Scratch Program Images" and "Unsatisfactory images", except the "i" is not capitalized as in the first category. I also see some images with only the first word capitalized, and other images with all words capitalized. So, what is the system? I'd assume it's capitalization on all words (with exclusions of articles like "the" and what not). Maybe we should have some sort of guideline page, maybe in "Category:Help/Naming Guidelines". What do you think?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:44, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd agree with you, but we're not like Bulbapedia's image archives as they require 150-550 Pokémon sprites per game or pair of games and they have strict naming conventions to keep everything organized. There are currently no naming conventions for categories OR files (besides uploading it under a name that makes sense), and I'd like to keep it that way for now.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 20:23, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I was planning on writing something like this up but I don't currently have the time. My personal recommendation and preference would be to make everything sentence case (except for titles of software, etc.), like Wikipedia, including page titles, section titles, categories, etc. This however has been disagreed with by some (including Lucario621, JSO) because most of the wiki is already in title case (capitalised except for some conjunctions, articles, short prepositions, etc.) and it would take a lot of work to move everything. I also would recommend removing the (block) and (Scratch Modification) parts of page titles that do not require them (and it would be only be required in the case of a conflict where the block/value/Scratch mod/whatever doesn't take precedence). I was also going to work on renaming images, but it would probably be more efficient with a bot with admin/EW privileges because images are linked on a lot of pages and all those links need to be changed; it took me like two hours manually to do the four or five on the front page that I did.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 23:40, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
If I knew PHP or whatever, I would maybe turn my ThisIsAnAccount test account into a bot.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 12:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
If you could sort me out with a bot account, those kind of changes should be pretty trivial using the mini library I wrote.
Blob8108 (talk | contribs) 15:40, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Just make an alt on Scratch (or use an already-existing test account), leave a comment saying the account you're going to use, and I'll let it in. Then you can convince scmb1 to upgrade that account to "bot" and let it do its stuff.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 17:58, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Blob8108 (talk | contribs) 14:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Bot template?

Now that we've got our first bot, I think we should have a template to show they're a bot, how about:
Removed so I can use my Sandbox for something else
I'm not sure I like how large it is and the image is not good (maybe a robot would be better) but I think the message is just about right so what do you think?
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 19:32, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

That does seem very large, and I was the message is too long, though at least quality. What do you think about this template?
Robot.jpg This user is an automated bot controlled by {{{by}}}. It is used for making repetitive or difficult edits that would be hard for a human to do. Please check its contributions to see if it has been behaving itself, and comment here if you have any problems with it.

ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:09, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

That looks (and reads) a lot better, especially the robot picture!
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 20:19, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Sheesh, we only have one bot, and already we need a template?! :P
Blob8108 (talk | contribs) 21:25, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Don't forget that we'll probably get others in the future, so it's safe to have, and it leads to better organization of the Wiki. Still, maybe it's not really needed. What does everyone else think?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:08, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
I was somewhat inspired by Wikipedia to change the wording:
Robot.jpg This user is an automated editor controlled by [[User:{{{by}}}|{{{by}}}]]. It is a legitimate alternate account used for speedily making large amounts of edits in place of a human. If it has been malfunctioning, please comment on the developer's [[|talk page]].
Reads even more easily. We need a way better image, though...  :P
@Blob You could be right, unless again I turn ThisIsAnAccount into a bot...
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 22:14, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
I preferred Ernie Parke's version mainly because it linked to the Bot's contribs. I also don't think a link to the developer's contribs is necessary either and the developer's talk page is linked to at the end so we don't need it repeated.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 08:28, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
K, I took your advice. I still think mine is worded better.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 12:24, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Nice, looks good!
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 12:41, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I think we're Yes Done because I already put the thing in the template namespace.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 17:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The Scratch Forum Guidelines

During my moderator checkin, when i agreed to retire, i talked to Lightnin a bit about a problem i've noticed on the forums: Newbies don't follow the rules. Why is this? The simple answer is that there isn't a single collection of the rules. I therefore proposed the Forum Guidelines, written in the style of the Community Guidelines, but specific to the forums. He suggested we work on it on the wiki.

I can think of a few rules to start out with:

Post in the right section. 
Read the forum descriptions to make sure that your topic is in the right place. This helps keep the forums organized and helpful.
Search before posting. 
If you take one minute to do a quick search before making a new topic, this can save many duplicate topics from being created.
Read the stickies. 
The "sticky" topics contain useful information for a specific forum. It is wise to read them, especially the ones called "Read this before posting".
Don't necropost. 
Necroposting is when someone posts an unhelpful message on an old topic (general consensus is over one month inactive).

I know some of them need to be improved. Anyone have any more to add? Remember to keep each item (as well as the whole list) short and concise.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 19:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

How about expanding Scratch Rules?
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 20:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Don't spam. 
Spamming is posting something irrelevant to the topic or using an excessive amount of smileys and unneeded symbols.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Don't spam — good one. I forgot about Scratch Rules, thanks. Except i think we should have a separate page for this.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:46, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Don't report problems with other users on the forums. 
If another Scratcher is bothering you, please report them to the Scratch Team. Posting about it on the forums, especially using names, dramatizes the conflict, and is not helpful. These topics are always closed.
^ I know, that's a little long. :/
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:10, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I don't like the wording of that last one (the title of it) because someone may interpret it as if someone is doing something bad, don't report the problem and leave it alone. It sounds like "if another user is causing a problem, don't report it". I'd change it to "If someone breaks the above rules, report the post".
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 20:26, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
I think "When reporting users " is a better title, mainly due to how it's shorter. I also agree with Turkey3; the rule does sound a bit like trouble users shouldn't be reported. (though @Turkey, this is if someone breaks a rule on the website, not in the forums)
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:25, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
When reporting users 
If you have any sort of problem with another user, simply report them. Projects, comments, and forum posts all have a report button, as well as user profile pages.
Sorry about that disappearing act. I haven't been keeping it open, so i *cough* sort of forgot.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 08:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Don't Be Irrelevant
Also, please don't go around posting irrelevant thing on iTopics. I have seen that recently and I think that it wastes everybody's time.
Fmtfmtfmt2 (talk | contribs) 02:17, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

New template?

I think we should make a new template to say why exceptions have been made for certain pages, such as Toki. It could look like:

Yes check.png This article would normally break the Scratch Wiki's guidelines. However, an exception has been made for it because of the decision made.

which is made by:

{{User:EH7meow/SandboxTwo|because=of the decision made}}

What do you think?
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 17:36, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea. I'd wait for one other person before creating it though.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 18:00, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
I think it's a good idea.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:37, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Is this something that regular users (as opposed to wiki authors) are going to be concerned with?
Blob8108 (talk | contribs) 20:03, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Good point there, because non-editors don't know what should be allowed, nor care: they just want info.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 21:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Also, this might be useful in the future with a plan of the Scratch Mentors; it's still being decided and worked on, so the template might not be needed, but we'll see.
Anyway, I support this template. I'd also like to see a parameter field that would allow custom reasons.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 23:19, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
If it doesn't meet the wiki guidelines, one should look on the talk page to see what has been done about it. I don't think the template is really needed.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 11:55, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Good idea! I also think we should create a page for Andresmh, and add that template.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 14:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
@ErnieParke There are custom reasons! Change what is after the
in {{User:EH7meow/SandboxTwo|because=of the decision made}}.
Also, this template might possibly stop any confusion on why somebody wasn't allowed to make a page about something when there were other articles about user-created stuff.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 17:16, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
It could also be better for new editors.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 17:17, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
@Joletole There was an idea a while ago to make a page about more prominent Scratch Team members (with perhaps small subheaders with more info). Is there a reason Andresmh merits a page over other Scratch Team members?
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 17:49, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
@EH7meow Aren't new editors the ones usually breaking the guidelines or, not being very bold, often bringing something up on the talk page too early? I still think it isn't needed, as the info will be on the talk page anyways.
...Then again, it could be one of those templates that is actually put ON the talk page like they have on Wikipedia...
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 20:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


There was a (now archived) thread about bots. I can't remember what we wanted one for. So, anything need automating?
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 19:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, I think there was making category names consistent. Ones that I would want to see would be double-redirect fixing. A slightly harder feature maybe would be if you could make links to redirects link to the actual article.
For example:
would be replaced with:
[[Article Name|Redirect]]
[[Redirect|Lorem ipsum]]
would be replaced by:
[[Article Name|Lorem Ipsum]]
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 20:13, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure Wikipedia has some policy on *not* changing links that point to redirects...
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 23:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Really? In any case, we prefer direct links to redirects.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 01:05, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
I assume you mean direct links are preferred -- what you wrote parses as "links to redirects". :P
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 08:19, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Stupid English. What I meant was we prefer "direct links" to "redirects"; that is, direct > redirect.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 09:48, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
It was originally some naming-convention discussion but then it went into the land of talking about bots...
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 01:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Consensus? What needs automating right now?
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 22:00, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps a greet to new users? I dunno. The most useful purpose of a bot I can think of is if we were to like reorganise all the files into having like consistent filenames and stuff, we'd be able to update all those links for the moved images with a bot super easily.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 00:54, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Okay, what consistent filename scheme do you want? I can do it, you just need to tell me what to do...
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 01:30, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
No, i think veggie means if we manually renamed the files, the bot could update the file links.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 10:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
That's harder, because then you have to manually specify which file links to update.
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 10:29, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
A daemon bot that activates whenever a file is moved, and updates links to the file.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 12:21, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 16:05, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Why ew?
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 16:09, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

scratchblocks testing

Hi, wiki people! I'm working on a new version of the scratchblocks plugin. It's pretty nearly a complete rewrite, and I want to make sure I haven't broken anything, so I need your help checking it's the same. Please see here: Thanks! :)
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 01:32, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Cool. I'll have to push it to its limits when I can. Possibly tomorrow when I'm working on my history homework.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 19:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I'd appreciate that. Lol, "when working" :P
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 21:50, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Oh no, it looks like I forgot about it. The next time I'll absolutely be free is Friday afternoon, when I get "study hall" (aka me and my friend slacking off in the LMC).
EDIT: Oh yeah, that's thanksgiving weekend. Shoot. Well, when I do get the chance, how should I report problems?
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:19, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
That's fine. I'll probably have enough bugs to fix before then anyway! And you can just reply on the forum thread I linked. :)
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 08:38, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Surprise! I have about 18 minutes now. :P
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 01:42, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 08:38, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I've just pushed an update that fixes lots of things. Please go find more bugs! :)
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 00:36, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

New template idea: Special stub/unfinished article

Ever have that annoying thought when there's an unfinished sentence at the end of an article, but it's been in progress for too long? What do you do when you can't fix it because you aren't a mind reader nor are you knowledgeable on such a subject? I am proposing a template that will fix this. User:Mathfreak231/Unfinished What do you think? The wording could definitely be improved. :P
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 17:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

I like that idea! Some people just post the template that they're working on an article and never really do definitely not me, though  :—|
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 19:33, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
I agree; I never put up an in-progress template unless I know that I'm going to be working on the article. That's also why I still have Rope Physics under my user domain, because I'm working on it but very sporadically (I definitely need to get that done...).
Anyway, couldn't you simply take down the in-progress template and replace it with {expand}?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 02:21, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
But what if the person who was working on it left a random sentence at the end that they never completed? It's happened.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 20:47, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
I've forgotten about this discussion, but anyway, you can finish their sentence. Or, if you can't expand, then you can always tear down what's written till you find a point where you can start expanding. Besides, if you can't finish their sentence, is it even written well enough?
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 17:29, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

New template idea

Should there be a new template idea that indicates a higher level of knowledge of scratch (blocks) to understand a particular article?

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:05, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Seems like that might work. But it may also be difficult to determine which topics require "advanced knowledge".
PreoKid (talk | contribs) 21:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, seems hard :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:37, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
When I made the article Creating a Chat Bot, I originally had it classified as a How To article. The How to header, however, says it is a step-by-step tutorial for new users. Realizing it was more complex, I brought it up here in the CP, now archived. I was told that if a tutorial is too advance for new users, instead of categorizing it as How to, just name it "Scripting Tutorials". Even more complex is Global High Scores and Checking if a String Contains a String.
Furthermore, I don't support this template, because if a new user is viewing the article and sees that template, they may be discouraged to continue on, and therefore won't learn from the article.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
That's true. Yes Discussion done!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:42, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
No Not done I Think We Should Have An "Advanced" CATEGORY, Not Template.
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 15:11, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Eh, I don't think we really need that; what Turkey3 says above already works for organising what's more advanced.
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 20:51, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

My page

I am not sure,but is it a good idea to move my page to another article designed to help with formatting? I am still working on it :)

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:19, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

You can merge it into Help:CSS. It definitely could use your lovely chart ;)
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that comment ;) The article and my page is a bit off, maybe a page that talks about making custom boxes and other cool things for pages, like your page and the cool boxes :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:38, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
If you don't mind, I'll merge them. The Help:CSS doesn't even really tell any CSS.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:58, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


We Can Do New Years, But Nothing America-Focused. Since The DachWiki Is Released , We Can Assume Everybody Here Speaks English. Australia, England, United States, Pretty Much Everybody Speaks English. So We Can Only Do New Year And Scratch Day, But Others Might Get Upset By This Since ===I Officially Call Scratch Day Logo=== So How Will We Gently End This?
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 15:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I am a bit confused. We did New Years because it is a global holiday, and a Scratch Day one would probably be fine in (what, 5 months or so?). The Christmas one was turned down already because it was religious, and I think we already will refrain from all-American holidays such as Independence Day. New Years is great, though.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 16:02, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
That's What I'm Saying.
Mrsrec (talk | contribs) 17:17, 1 January 2014 (UTC) Yes Done

Improvement for the {{Wiki Standards}} template

Currently I am thinking of a way to improve the template {{Wiki Standards}}, as seen below. Currently it looks like this:

Document stub.png This article or section may not have content matching Scratch Wiki editing standards. Please improve it according to Scratch Wiki:Guidelines.

However, since it is for unsatisfactory articles with many possible reasons for applying it to articles, is can be considered analogous to {{Bad image}}. Therefore, an addition to the template could be added, so if an article has poor grammar, it could be marked with {{Wiki Standards|Poor grammar}}, which would produce this:

Document stub.png This article or section may not have content matching Scratch Wiki editing standards. Please improve it according to Scratch Wiki:Guidelines.
Reason: Poor grammar

If no reason was given ({{Wiki Standards}}), it would look like this:

Document stub.png This article or section may not have content matching Scratch Wiki editing standards. Please improve it according to Scratch Wiki:Guidelines.
Reason: Unspecified

Also, it would make it easy for editors to know what the problem with the article is.
3sal2 (talk | contribs) 01:04, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Support :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Seems like a good idea to me. Perhaps we could even customize the main part of the template for common issues, so it won't just appear in tiny text as "Reason: whatever", but instead as it's own paragraph.
Of course, that might also just be too much work to be worth it. :P
PreoKid (talk | contribs) 03:17, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
How about we drop the "Unspecified" default and have it be like most templates are: defaulting to not showing the reason section. Take {{notUseful}} as an example.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 18:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I'd support that revision of KrIsMa's idea. It adds some more uniformity among templates, and I've found a few times before when it'd helpful.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 20:33, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

3sal2 (talk | contribs) 04:55, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

A couple bot tasks I could do

Several people have created bots to check existing pages for problems. I am considering writing one to check new changes. It would check for stuff like this:

  • Edit warring
  • Excessive small edits to one page
  • Users not signing their posts
  • Bad links
  • Invalid formatting

What does everyone think? I could write a bot to check for these (and automatically notify users for at least some of them) pretty quickly so users don't go on making the same mistake. I also have a server running, so I could put the bot there and have it running the vast majority of the time.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

I was thinking, if you insert your bot, then the bots that check existing pages can't do anything anymore eventually!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:02, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Mine mostly just checks for stuff that should be fixed quickly, like edit warring, repaeted edits, not signing posts, etc. If your bot already checks for bad links and invalid formatting, then I'll just take care of the first three listed above.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:23, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Ok that would be puurfect! (reference to your signature picture :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:47, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm starting work on it now. It's WikiMonitor. (I copied you for the userpage).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Sure! Good luck on the bot!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh boy, that second one may make the bot not like me. I always edit a page, and just as I'm ready to leave I find something wrong. I hope by "excessive" you mean someone intentionally trying to get more edits.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
On the bot's user page, I included the definition of everything I am doing. For "excessive editing", it is "over 10 in 1 hour". If you have any suggestions on better criteria for that, please let me know soon before I start coding that part.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:54, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
That all sounds reasonable. Good luck!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:14, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
What will happen is the bot will detect KrIsMa's bot because it makes an edit like every 3 minutes. You'll have to program a white list so it can't detect User:VoxBot.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I just tested the part that checks for post signing, and it found 8 people forget to sign posts in the last 500 edits, of which 6 were correct. Currently it defines not signing a post as this: a non-minor edit that adds 50 or more characters to a page that already has other users' signatures that does not contain "(UTC)" anywhere in the part that was added. Does anybody have a better definition I can use? Remember that I need a clear definition that I can turn into code and all I have is the information stated above (what text was added in the edit I am looking at, the size difference between old and new, whether the edit was marked as minor, and the contents of the page).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Good start! Maybe you could make it so it needs to detect (UTC), the RevisionUser.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I added that, but the problem here is not that it's not detecting signatures properly. The problem is that it's not always able to tell what isn't a new post.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:00, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── You could use the semicolons to check if it is a new post. If something like this happens:

Hi (signed)

Hello (signed)
Goodbye (not signed)
What? (signed)

Then the bot knows. Then,

Hi (signed)

Hello (signed)
Goodbye (not signed)
What? (not signed)

The bot reads until there is a new header or the end of the page, then realizes that those 2 comments are not signed. Also, New posts start from a semicolon


or from the edge


Therefore, new posts are easy to find. For example, you can see where the new post starts in the markup language.

hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post


hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post (signed)

hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post hello this is a test for finding the end of this post (not signed)

hope I helped

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, the colons were helpful. The latest time I ran it, 1/5 of the detected non-signings within the last 500 edits were false positives. The false positive I can't figure out how to get around is this: [1]. My current definition is now this: an edit that adds more than 70 characters to a talk page that already contains another user's signature on it, and at least one of the lines added to the edit starts with a colon or the text "new section" is in the edit comment, and it does not contain <scratchsig> or /sig anywhere in it (case-insensitive).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:18, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

vox bot

I have encountered a lot of vague errors from my bot, would you guys want the header "See Also" to be 'See Also' or 'See also'? my bot really wants to change it to 'See also', as it makes more sense (all wikis except ours [like wikipedia] use See also)

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I personally prefer "See Also" because it is a header, so all words besides articles and little things should be capitalized. Lowercase just looks wrong in titles.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Fixed. Thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
We resolved to keep it capitalized, i think.
Also, could you please not run the bot until you get it in the bot group? Thanks.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I asked scmb1 to add VoxBot and WikiMonitor to the bot user group.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
OK! PS, thanks jvvg and scmb1!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
WikiMonitor and VoxBot are now bots.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

do we allow wikilinks in headers? like User:KrIsMa this?

my bot is getting mad, cause I keep skipping his edits :)

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I have seen it on a few pages before, but not many. For example, it is on the page Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents/Scripting Tutorials, but I think it looks kind of... Sloppy. Wait for an admin reply, though.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 02:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Preferably not.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 07:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
If you can, use {{main}} or {{see also}} instead.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 14:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll let him know :-)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:40, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

bot edit hiding

the Recent Changes link should redirect to to hide bot made edits!

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Bot edits are hid by default. However, they have to be made by a bot account.
EDIT: as in, an account in the bot user group. afaik.
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 22:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


Please look at, admins. Thanks a lot!

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:10, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

We could probably switch back to the normal wiki logo.

New Years did end about 3 days ago :P
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 17:30, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

4ever new year :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I was thinking of keeping it up until a week after. But watevs.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 17:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


i just realized, what does it mean to mark an edit patrolled?

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

We barely ever bother to use it, but if we ever do, it means an admin looked at the edit and thinks it's A-OK. It's really too much trouble to look at every single edit. Admins have their edits automatically patrolled.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 14:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
..and bots! Thanks! PS: I just found this page
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 23:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


No, I am not banned :) Can an admin check to see if is still banned? The block message says this user has been blocked on the scratch website and therefore blocked on the wiki. If he/she is not blocked anymore, maybe it is a good idea to unblock him. Thanks!

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:19, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

To my knowledge, Molybdenum is still banned (s/he complained to me via Mod Share that the ST said that they won't unban him/her, and I haven't found anything to suggest that s/he was ever unbanned).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
I think s/he was complaining/spamming on the CP due to his/her ban...
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 16:56, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


On the shortcuts section please add S:PORTAL
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 18:25, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Done. Btw, if you need to edit that part of the page, it's at Scratch Wiki Talk:Community Portal/Help Box.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 07:22, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


What are bots and how do you make them?
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 18:48, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

See Scratch Wiki:Bots :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:42, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

How do you make the script and put in the bot anyway cause I have a user I would be able to use as a bot.
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 08:47, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

You would need to know any of the listed programming languages there. For example, PHP. Then, you will have to find the programming language library that specializes in making bots. A PHP library might be the requests library. After that, the scripting process takes a long time. After that, it is done!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:21, 13 January 2014 (UTC)


Is there a way we could upload videos and sounds on the wiki, or is it only pictures? Can we put them in a ZIP folder and upload them? Just asking because then on articles you would be able to have video content!
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 11:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

We can only have images on the wiki. I think videos would actually be cool as for showing how to do things, but that probably won't happen.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 14:46, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
You can upload them, but i don't think you can include them.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Embedding projects

When we get the embed code for projects does it work and show the projects?
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 11:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, the wiki doesn't support that.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 14:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Would You like this template?

It's at User:Bbciplayer/TemplatesPlace/BotArticle
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 15:06, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it wouldn't make sense for a bot to create an article...
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 16:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, bots are only supposed to fix problems in articles.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:13, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Any other ideas for what WikiMonitor can do?

Currently, my bot, WikiMonitor is patrolling recent changes to find users not signing their posts and excessive edits to one page (I decided not to implement checking for edit warring because I've never actually seen it happen in my time on the Wiki). Does anybody have any other ideas for what it can do? Remember that it needs to be something that I can turn into a specific definition in PHP.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:15, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

How about a user signing or writing (though there are very rare exceptions when the editor's username may be in an article) his or her name in an article (not the talk page but main article)? The bot could check if the person making the edit placed his/her own name into the article.

Edit: Dope! Your bot's gonna get me since I just forgot my sig.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:32, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Has that happened a bunch recently? If so, it shouldn't be too hard to add (just search for "<scratchsig>" in the diff).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:51, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Not much that I can think of (WikiMonitor got me for the post above :P ), but it could come in handy sometimes. However, it shouldn't automatically remove the username, because in some cases it is alright, like how Scratch Logos says I created the New Years image.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:39, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm currently making it not notify users if they immediately fix not signing their post.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:08, 13 January 2014‎ (UTC)
Now a user has between 30 and 120 seconds to fix their post, depending on when in the edit cycle the edit is detected.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Not a username, but if they sign, WikiMonitor could remove it and report it to them.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 10:58, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

still a stub?

im not sure if is still a stub. thx!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:42, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Of course it isn't. :P
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 11:00, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
That would be better brought up on that page's talk page. And no, I don't believe it is.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 14:27, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
It used to be a stub until I added the large section of "Encryption in Scratch".
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:36, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the addition!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

S:STARTREK should not be the name for the redirect, because think of it this way, someone edits the wiki that has unnessasary edits, such as making a atricle about dogs. an admin deletes it, and posts this up on their user page:

Hello, someone,
you have created an article that breaks the S:STARTREK rule.
Please don't do it again. Thanks!

The first thing that the user that sees this message will think, is "What is S:STARTREK? Is it something related to the article I just made? ~~~"
A better title would be S:UNRELATED, or something like that.
Yay! :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:35, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a cute name, but we could probably have a second shortcut with a more descriptive title as well. :P
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 11:07, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 14:54, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

250 account requests!

We've now received over 250 account requests since the new system was implemented!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Variables Template Idea

Whenever writing the name of a variable in an article, such as

"y velocity"

I always feel like quotes just don't justify the need to point out that the article is speaking of a variable. What if we had a template kind of like a but more rounded and orange just like a variable?
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:15, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit: Here is an example of a in an article. Code:

What's nice about it is that it does not push the text margin above and below it larger, so the lines are still the same (if that makes sense). I can also make the text smaller if need be. (y velocity) Like it? For example, bla bla bla bla bla bla bla ........................................... Bla bla bla sorry for this spam text bla bla bla bla What's nice about it is that it does not push the text margin above and below it larger, so the lines are still the same (if that makes sense). I can also make the text smaller if need be.

See? The line spacing is same.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:53, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

cool! great job with the variable!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:37, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
You mean like (y velocity)? :P
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 10:06, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh... Yeah, except the one above is a bit large.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 14:50, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
It's scratchblocks. Can't really change it. :)
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 15:39, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
I kind of agree with Blob on just using the inline sb.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 16:20, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
let us have a vote to keep it or not!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 16:49, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Oh no, not another vote :P when you were gone, we went through enough voting. I say delete the template admin. However, that brings up a new question. Which is better to use for a variable: quotations, or an inline block?
And there's one problem with online variables, and it's that they have a margin on the bottom.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 19:05, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── lol ok no vote lets just discuss it :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 21:50, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I think inline blocks are nice, but I may be biased. Certainly I agree with you to use something special, and not quotes or monospaced text (this is Scratch, after all!). We can probably fix scratchblocks if that needs doing -- although I already spent ages tweaking the bottom margins to match the line height for all the different kinds of block :P Is it the same across all the other blocks? Would shifting the margins for all of them help?
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 01:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
For comparison, Brian uses inline block pictures in his (excellent) Snap! manual. Try page 7, for example:
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 01:24, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @blob8108: I agree with you; the inline blocks do look very nice. They really help make code look like a code and not some text because Scratch is very visual orientated. I don't like how it messes up line spacing though; it'd be nice if that could be tweaked. So yes, shifting margins would help.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:35, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

So, in a nutshell, if we decide to use inline blocks instead of quotations for a variable name, we need:
  • inline variables margin fixed
  • to edit a lot of articles (which I would not mind)

But maybe quotations are actually better. If you say the name of a variable many many times in a paragraph with inline blocks, it could get too colorful. It'll be like a bowl of lucky charms spilt into a pot of gold at sunrise.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:40, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure you'd use common sense; use the inline block the first time, and say "the variable" or refer to it by name from then on, if it gets too excessive.
And I did already spend ages tweaking the inline block stylings. I can shift the blocks down a bit in the line, but I think the line spacing will still be larger. :)
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 10:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I edited turkey3's example above. I don't think it's too bad. :)
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 10:24, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I change my mind on this; the line spacing around orange variables will be a bit out of place, but it doesn't look bad.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 22:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


That wiki lockout felt like a ban, Anyone know why the wiki broke? :)

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:37, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

It's on a really frail server.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 16:20, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
i thought that Amazon was a shipping company! ;)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:07, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
It is, but I guess it also has servers that you can buy or whatever. The Scratch Wiki is put on those servers. I heard Lightnin say that he's thinking about moving the Wiki back to the MIT servers.
I'm not 100% sure of how it works, I'm just saying what I saw or inferred.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 17:10, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
I hope it is moved back to MIT servers, because that may fix the problems with email not working and the inability to delete files.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:59, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
The problem with moving it back to the MIT servers is whenever the MIT servers are down, the wiki is, too. And the scratch wikis are down a looot of time, expecially when scratch is constantly updating its website.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:41, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
@jvvg: Building off of KrIsMa, did you notice how many new users Scratch got in the past couple of months? The base nearly doubled, and we're close to hitting a million Scratchers, up 500,000 from this Summer. This doesn't just means lots of more coding happiness, but a lot more load on the Scratch servers. Many features have had to be disabled, and we're not done getting new users yet. I wouldn't want the Wiki on the severs, because they're not too reliable at the moment, and it would slow the website down.
Edit: When I say users, I mean active users. Hopefully that clears things up a bit.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:47, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

New Scratch Design Studio

The Scratch Wiki News really needs to be updated. There's a new SDS. The theme is "New Year, New Resolutions".
Rumanti (talk | contribs) 14:29, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

already done!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


So far I see two active experienced wikians and two active admin. Should there be more?

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 05:49, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I think what we have right now is sufficient.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:31, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Should have come in August (or was it September?)
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:10, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I recall that they said it's just whenever we think we need another admin. However, I wouldn't mind another election so I have another shot at being an admin. ;)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:42, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Isn't Hardmath next on the list? ;)
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 22:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I'd upgrade people if I could and I actually felt we needed more admins for such a small editing community. We aren't Wikipedia.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 00:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
@blob8108, I'm not sure. I haven't seen Hardmath on in a while. According to his contributions list, he hasn't made an edit in over a month, and before that the edits were pretty spread out timewise. I know this is kind of self-promotion, but I really do think I would be a good admin because I spend a lot of time on the Wiki and am pretty effective at patrolling recent changes and taking necessary action. Although being an EW helps with that (for example, being able to delete pages), there are still a few privileges that would make me more effective at helping the Wiki.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
@KrIsMa: I'm not sure if you included me, but I'm still here.
@jvvg: I agree, you are a helpful Wikian and all, but how many wikians do we need to update the front page? Plus, every other admin privilege isn't even used much, and I feel that Mathfreak231 can handle it great. I'd say no to another election.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:25, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree with jvvg. No more elections. And also, we can't refer back to the election results from Scratch Wiki:Elections/September 2013 because they are old now and we have newer active users who would be able run. Anyways, no elections now. Why not make them a yearly thing every September? It could be the Scratch Wiki Annual Elections. :P
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:29, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── ok and are sig images broken?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:31, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
@Turkey3: You do know that jvvg is the one for another election? Anyway, I'm not sure we're big enough of a group to need annual elections. Plus, if we don't need anyone new by the time September rolls around, then why have the election? @KrIsMa: On my end they are. Those amazon servers must be under some load right now.
Edit: The sigs are back.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:39, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I meant I agree with you, Ernie.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:44, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Yeah i know why. Scratch main website was down for a while. Now it is up!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:46, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
The sigs are gone again. I'm no sure that the disappearing/reappearing of our sigs is because of the main website.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 01:59, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure sigs and other website images are hosted on different servers outside MIT. I know this because to get the URL of a sig, the address begins with cdn.scratch.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:16, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Recent Changes Question

I'm not sure why I never asked this. To the left of all the edits are ( diff | hist ) which I fully understand, but sometimes instead it is ( cur | pre ). What are the differences in the two? They seem to just show the changes if you ask me.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 01:33, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

so let me explain this to you. cur and pre are only visible while seeing history of pages. now, cur previews the edit you clicked to the one above it, rev compares the edit you clicked to the one under it. it might be a bit clearer if i tell you that the most current edit has no cir button and the first edit to the page has no prev button. hope i helped.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
cur actually compares it to the current (newest) revision of the page. But otherwise, krisma is correct.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:00, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


whoever accepts new scratch account requests, do you denny some scratch entries? weird, the wiki requests project is full of comments, but only a few people are actually accepted!

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 06:33, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

We actually have a lot of people who aren't specific in a way that meets our expectations. The most common reasons for getting denied are:
  • not having good spelling
  • not saying what they would do to help the wiki (e.g. "I would help new Scratchers!" well duh, but how) (another e.g. "I would create new tutorials" what kinds?)
  • saying that they would submit ideas (not allowed)
  • saying that they would create articles about them/other Scratchers/projects (not allowed)
  • being too new (<2 months old or a New Scratcher)

Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:05, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Also, since we adopted the policy of letting users fix request notes by replying to the rejection comment, I've been stricter about request notes because they get a second chance almost immediately.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:13, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


is the default usergroup for new users the group "Users" and also "Autoconfirmed" users? or do people need to earn the right |Autoconfirmed"? thanks

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:11, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I think it is something that happens automatically.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:26, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
I think on Wikipedia, "Autoconfirmed" means they've confirmed your email address. Or you've been around for some length of time. Something that we don't actually use, anyhow.
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 09:55, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
I think on the Scratch Wiki it's given right away to new users because of the account request system.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 14:57, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

New Curator!

The new curator is AmayaCreates.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 07:28, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

April Fools Preparation

I know you're probably groaning, but I really think the Wiki should have the most incredible April Fools prank ever. What will that be? Have you seen User:Mathfreak231/UnScratchWiki? That's what progress there is so far, personally I hope that about 50 of our most popular articles have joke forms made. But aside from that, we all know that we still want the real articles available. So which will be the default— the real article for people who want information, or the joke one for people to get pranked? I created a template called Template:Fools with this code (scroll to see all):

{{#ifexpr: {{CURRENDAY}} = 1 and {{CURRENTMONTH}} = 4|
<div style="background-color:#9CDEFF; border:1px solid #66D4E3; text-align:center; border-top-left-radius:10px; border-top-right-radius:10x; padding: 4px; font-size:20px; margin-bottom: 25px">'''Real Page''' – [[{{{1}}}|Fools Page]]</div>}}

And I apologize for not discussing the template first here, but when I get really into something I can't wait. So, to break apart the code for you, it first checks if it is April Fools Day. If it is not, then nothing happens and the article is exactly the same. However, if it is April Fools Day, the content within will be shown. What is that content, you ask? A nice pretty border with two things inside: Main Article and a link to the joke article. Notice the parameter in the template. The only parameter is a link to the joke article. Therefore, any pages that have joke forms made about them, this template can be used to automatically provide a link to the joke article when April Fools Day strikes. The template can be placed at the top of the page. A similar template can be made to do the reverse— link to the real articles from the joke ones. Here's what it really looks like:

Real PageFools Page

Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:14, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
In my own opinion, I think the wiki should be the way it is. This is because I don't think it is a good idea to have an April fools day joke on the Scratch Website and the wiki. It just seems a bit overboard. I literally would go like (uhhh, why!!!!) if I was someone who wanted to learn a bit more about Scratch via the Wiki on April Fools Day. This is my opinion :) Sorry if I am mean to people who want it:P
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:10, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
I see what you mean, but still disagree XD the point is, people would still see the entire wiki as it normally is. However, they would have an option to view the joke form of an article if it exists, so if they don't want to, they don't need to. And have you not read them so far? I die out in laughter.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 00:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I understand you, too. Let me have a look at them :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:19, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
I personally would go so far as to say make the fools page the default!
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:58, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Ehh, ok! We can replace User:Mathfreak231/UnScratchWiki home page with it, if he is ok with it :)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:32, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Lol, I might prefer to wait until we have a few more pages. :P
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 14:17, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree, but it'd be funny seeing it implemented. :P
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 00:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Lag Article?

Would an article on lag be good? It could:

  • describe why lag occurs in terms of computer science
  • how to prevent lag
  • what lags in Scratch and why
    Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 23:25, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 13:57, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm not convinced that "lag" is the correct compsci term. :P
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 17:19, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia uses "Lag" as the name. No one is going to search for something like "communication latency", as far as I know. Though, we can always use redirects.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 21:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes Done
For you, Blob, I made the redirect Latency Delay. ;)
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

userpage edit

The category Category:Merge_Request and Category:Move_Request both have one page that belongs to a user. Is it ok to edit the user page to remove the categorization of that page? I think the owner of that page left the wiki! Thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:45, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, user pages shouldn't be categorized at all.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:03, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

citation needed

should i make an organization category for any pages with the {{citation needed}} template? thanks! edit(maybe a hidden category)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 03:26, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Citation needed
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:04, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Wait, should be
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:04, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Would You like this template? [2]

Pencil.png Please remember to sign your posts, as this is important!
Bbciplayer (talk | contribs) 11:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

We had a couple templates like that, but as we all experienced images are a bit intimidating to new users and the rest you can just type yourself.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 15:02, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
There used to be a template for this, however it was deleted by Lucario621, saying "If a user forgets their signature, it's better to just fix it and tell them, rather then giving them a warning template".
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:58, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

should we use the unsigned template or sign posts for people?

I sign posts for people then notify them, but some people use the template {{Unsigned}}. I sign for people because using the template means you know who made the unsigned post, and might as well sign it for people! Thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:04, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I use the Unsigned template when I don't want to go through the trouble of getting a timestamp from the page history.
Mathfreak231 (talk | contribs) 22:45, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Unable to cite many things on old site

A bunch of articles about the old site have the citation needed template somewhere in them. However, a lot of the necessary citations would be on the forums, which no longer exist.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:07, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Can't you go to the archive forums at Sorry idk if the link is deleted because I'm on mobile ;-)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
The old forums archive was closed down a while ago without any announcement.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:18, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Don't you have a copy of the archive jvvg? If you don't have it then I'd think leaving the citations be would be fine. They still show that something has been proved, and we had enough wiki users before the archive shut down that we know the sources are credible. Besides, the other option would be to repost ever single old citation as a question in the forums, and hope some people remember.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 21:37, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
I do still have a copy of the archive, but I don't have any means to make it publicly available besides posting ZIP files of individual topics. What I meant the solution should be is to remove the "citation needed" template for stuff that can only be cited on the old forums.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
I think we should keep the "citation needed" to show the readers that we are knowledgable of what material may be questioned.
Turkey3 (talk | contribs) 22:59, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't think we need to change the old citations. The forum archives might come back online eventually.
blob8108 (talk | contribs) 23:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't think the old forums archive is coming back online. Lightnin said that there are a lot of security concerns with it and that keeping the archive open is too large a risk. (source). (Also, although PHP is a bit harder than Python, it's not any less secure than Python.)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

account confirm kessage

Can someone check what I put as my confirm account message when I was being accepted onto the wiki? I am really curious :-) Thx!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:27, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean your request notes? If so, then unfortunately we can't retrieve those. Once an account is created, the details about the request (except for stuff that carries over into the account) are purged from the system. Also, for rejected requests, the details are purged after a few weeks.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:07, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
thx! Ps what does purge mean? Sorry idk what it means :-) I see the word purge on template documentations. Thx!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
The definition is "to rid of whatever is impure or undesirable". In computing, it is usually used to mean getting rid of old or unneeded database entries of some kind. I have no idea what it means on templates, but in the case of account requests, it means that it deletes the old requests.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:16, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 22:21, 25 January 2014 (UTC)