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Please start with Interwiki

No Not done

I just want to remember you of our wish, to start with Interwiki between this english Scratch-Wiki and our german language DACH-Scratch-Wiki, see here and here: We started in 02/2012 and - if you can see here - the DACH-Scratch-Wiki already contains >380 qualified german articles, that are mostly connected to the coresponding english articles, but sadly only in one direction, from German to English and not backwards (Until now we use the so called "Servicekasten" at the end of most german artikles for both: To Link to the cresponing english artikle and for annautomated generated string to copy&paste a link to this artikle in the forum in correct BBCode. Who could help to estblish real Interwiki? -
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 15:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I can do reasonable French translations, but sorry, no German. If you ever make it to French, give me a message. :)
Hardmath123 (talk | contribs) 16:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't speak german, but you could go to the german language forum on the Scratch Forums
Coinman (talk | contribs) 16:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
No - I did not ask for help with the german wiki - we have the german scratch community to build and enlarge it. I was asking for help to establish a method for linking the english and the german wiki by Interwiki like it is established standard in Wikipedia. This could only be done by the admins... -
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 20:56, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Will this thread end like the last time, when the german speaking Scratch community asked for Interwiki here some months ago? Some of you sayed "that would be very good" but no responsible person answered and after some waiting the suggestion was achived without any substantiable reaktion...That's not realy motivating for the german speaking scratch community...Does anybody know what to do? -
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 07:46, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

We're actually waiting for the bureaucrats to discuss this and come up with a response, I believe. Apologies for the wait.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 15:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I really like the idea and I want to make something happen, but I can't without JSO's approval, and he hasn't really responded to many of my messages lately - so blame him.
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 20:36, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I found a user who seems to know German. S/he used German in this project.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 21:47, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

We have many members of the German Scratch Community that know German, including me ;-) I know Wilena, she is from Austria (yes, they speak German there too...even in Switzerland they do...therfore our Wiki is called DACH-Scratch-Wiki ;-). Wilena is registered as one of the authors of our, but she didn't write much until now...
Thanks for unarchiving this thread! Yes it's not done...not until Interwiki is established or rejected....-
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs) 16:59, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank Scimonster. He recovered this. What took so long for the answer?
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 20:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
As Lucario said, we need to talk to JSO about this and then things can happen. I believe Luc's told me that JSO's busy as well. I don't have contact info for JSO, so basically the most that I (or anyone else really) can do is to bother Luc until he bothers JSO into saying something.
(note: don't bother Luc; leave it to me)
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 23:45, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I think you can bother JSO at wiki at scratch dot mit dot edu. But leave that to me. :D
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 10:00, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Automatic edit summaries

Should the automatic edit summaries have an arrow before them to separate them from custom ones? Like "MediaWiki:Autosumm-blank" here is "Blanked the page", while on Wikipedia it's "←Blanked the page". Specifically, there are four:

Wikipedia:Automatic edit summaries
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 06:05, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Interesting idea.
Scimonster (talk | contribs) 03:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

No-category parameters for templates

Due to this page's history, I went ahead and added parser functions to {{inappropriate}} and {{notUseful}}. If you only need to show the template, but don't want the page to be categorized, add |cat=no to the template like {{notUseful|cat=no}}.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 00:12, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I think I know why you did that. KrIsMa
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 00:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, it's a page full of templates, but some added categories. The templates still work the same, but with a new option.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 00:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
It didn't work when I tried it with BrokenImage.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 00:18, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Still adding the code to the templates, it needs to be manually done.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 00:19, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

This is a message to all

Hey everyone,

I am super glad to see people editing (and I am sure the admins are even more happy), but, I posted this on someones page and I would like to share this with all of you:

Um........this doesn't make any sense. Why would you have this. You do realize that the wiki is supposed to be a reliable source for people around scratch to find information, not for people to work on wiki coding. Also, if I were you, I wouldn't focus so much about templates and your userpage. Your supposed to be editing CONTENT PAGES, these are not content pages. There is absolutely no reason to be creating these pages, NO ONE WILL SEE THEM! *ahem*, sorry, just had to let that out.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 23:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

– joletole

I am not telling you that you can't edit templates, I am just saying the whole point of a wiki is where people come together to edit content pages and read. Sorry for all your hard work you put into your subpages and stuff, but that is not needed. You really only need one subpage, as many subpages can cause a lot of confusion. I would name this subpage: [[User:<insert name here> EDIT: Well, if I realized how much reaction this was gonna get, I probs shouldn't have posted it. /Test]].
Joletole (talk | contribs) 01:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Don't you think that message was a bit harsh? I mean, he/she has only been on the wiki for about 4 days. And don't say usernames.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 01:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I am just saying, you don't need to put that much code. Through a special page, I have figured out that a lot of users have over 200 edit's on the User namespace.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 01:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
On wikipedia, over 50% of my edits are in the user space. Roughly 30% here. Am I not allowed to have my userpage how I want it? :(
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 01:45, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Has my reply been ignored? User_talk:Joletole/Maybe,_maybe_not I reposted it over there.
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 01:57, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
While it's perfectly acceptable to customise your userpage to your liking, we'd prefer that you spend more of your time editing the mainspace than your userpage, as the goal of the wiki is to provide helpful content to Scratchers rather than serve as a customiseable userpage host. Please limit the amount of edits to it, and remember to use the show preview button (especially because the high amount of edits to the page clutters the recent changes). This is not Wikipedia; we're smaller so we've got to have different standards. You also may find that it's not really necessary to modify it too much—all that's really needed is some basic information.
As for the templates you're creating, I for one think that they're helpful and I definitely don't mind them. However, it would be nice to see you editing in the mainspace more too. :)
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


"When in Rome, do as the Romans do." Heard of it. How about I modernize it. "When on the wiki, do as the wiki members do." "Treat others the way you want to be treated." Modernized: "When you give others these insructions, follow them yourselves." There's also the version "When you give rules, expect rules to be given back." You tell us to do these things, but you do not tell us where. The wiki articles are up to date and are completed. Until 2.0 comes, we don't have anything to do but these things we do. Most wiki members are doing these things, but you are not. The majority rules over the minority. Just because you're an admin, you're not different from the rest of us. I could be older than you, yet you act as if I am only 2. You treat us as subjects of your rule. back to "When on the wiki, do as the wiki members do." Most of us do these things, so that is what we all shall do. Most of these members live in a democracy. I believe you do, too. basically what I'm trying to say is don't tell us to do stuff if we don't have anything to do, when the work is already done for us. You may reply to this speech in harsh ways. You may even ban me. But remember the most important thing. Do as you tell others. be fair. Social classes (admin, normal memebers) don't dispute us. I hope you learn from this.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 02:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm not considering myself better than the rest of you...? I'm trying to keep things civil here, since it's evidently not completely working out by itself. I feel like you're calling me a condescending hypocrite, and that really hurts. I've been trying to do my best for this wiki as much as you have. I'm treating you how I want to be treated—with calmness and respect. I also don't understand what you mean by "the things we do". Could you explain? I know I recently haven't been doing much in the way of mainspace editing, but I've been a bit strapped for time due to excessive loads of schoolwork.
As for the condescending part, how? I'm talking how I talk on the forums, and nobody's objected at that since, oh, about January I'd say? And age doesn't really have anything to do with the matter—it doesn't matter to me whether someone younger or older than me, just how they act. And, just so you know, this isn't a democracy. The bureaucrats, not the admins, have executive power; we're mostly here for having all the fancy tools, having more weight in discussions with them, and trying to keep things calm.
I'm not going to say harsh things, or ban you (even if I could, which I can't). It just really hurts me that you feel that way about me and what I do.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:39, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I didn't mention one time in the speech that you were whatever you said that was. I don't even know what that is. From now on can you stop telling people to edit mainpages? There is nothing to edit. Hitting random page won't do anything. It brings us either to an unreleased article or a completed article. Templates somewhat help. It's better than doing nothing. During this time, instead of wasting time, we can actually get to work on new things. What I mean is that you are different. Most of us Scratchers are working in our user namespaces, but you work outside of it. Your like the one who refuses to act as the others do. can you try not to act so different and superior? I see you tried to say that you weren't, but most of that isn't entirely true. Also, how'd you like my speech?
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 02:47, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── How did I like your speech? I didn't. It feels like a personal attack. Are you telling me to stop editing outside of the user namespace? Why? I edit what I feel like needs improving, not what other people do; in fact, I don't pay attention to what other people are editing a lot of the time. I don't have anything to edit in the user namespace—why, then, would I? I don't really consider spending lots of time editing userpages having much value over doing nothing; that's not really what the wiki's for. Can you point out where I said that templates don't help, and can you tell me exactly what I said that "isn't entirely true"? And there are definitely articles that still need improving: what about updating the Scratch Team Blog with the most recent post? the Scratch Team article with info from said blog post? writing tutorials, especially those using Scratch 2.0? There's plenty around here to do for those who have the time, if you know where to look. (and I'm not even going to address your implying my non-Scratcherness)
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 03:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Did you learn anything from it? What I'm trying to say is that I feel that you are treating Scratchers in harsh ways by telling them what to do, but not doing it yourself. It hurts me to feel like I'm being treated like a child on a more grown up thing. MIT made Scratch for kids to learn in a fun way, not get bossed around all day by those who wish to lead others without others say. You said you thought the speech was a personal attack. It was only explaining to you what other Scratchers are afraid to say. We want change. Molybdenum said below here that they didn't think that this was a good idea. They really just don't want to get banned from the wiki because they got banned from the site. I'm sure others would agree. I'm just standing up for what I think is right. If you feel otherwise, just say so. Maybe the admins should ask what the members would like.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 03:09, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
psst. it gets confusing when you post like this. at least to me. if we really are supposed to do this, then scratch is confusing. bby the way, awesome speech!
Molybdenum (talk | contribs)
Also, hitting RP does sometimes, although rarely, get you an edittable page. (I did so a few times)
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:54, 4 December 2012 (UTC) 02:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
There's someone, or maybe a few, who only had one main-space edit and the rest were under the userspace. And again about Wikipedia, there are some really...really complicated user pages ._.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 02:15, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
I do think that such editing isn't strictly necessary and it would be nice to cut down on the small puzzles and things users are posting; such material would probably belong better on a blog or something of the like.
Also, I'd prefer if you don't call users out about this on the community portal (even if you don't list your name, which can be worse for the admin as they can get confused about who's being addressed)—you can send a message on one of the admins' talk pages (Luc, Sci, and I being the most active), or send the wiki administration an email at If you just want to talk about something to me specifically, too, you can leave me a comment. :)
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Woo, go Ihaveamac!
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 02:08, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Templates is my thing pretty much now. But I'll try to get in the main space more. :)
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 02:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

And of course, the wiki is the only way I can interact with scratch. Of course the main site is for doing [xyz], but I'm banned, and the ST is ignoring me. And don't get this offtopic: The ban thread is in my UP.
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Molybdenum, no matter how much the ban upsets you, this is not the place to talk about it—even on your talk page. I'm not aware of any templates you've made or any claim of mine addressing that, but if I did, I apologize. I'm sorry if you feel you're being ignored by the Scratch Team, but even if you're banned, that's no excuse to do whatever you want here as a substitute for the main site and/or forums.
Veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 02:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Did I say I was? No. Now I should really leave scratch. Do you agree?
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Also, "As for the templates you're creating, I for one think that they're helpful and I definitely don't mind them. However, it would be nice to see you editing in the mainspace more too. :)"
Unknownuser (talk | contribs)
Sigh. I have made 0 templates.
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 23:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I have not made any templates.
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

And since you seem to want me to edit more main pages, ok. I'm doing so right now.!02:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC) ~
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) ~~~~
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 02:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

If you dont know what pages to edit, then just go to some stubs. Also, here is a quote I found:
It doesn't matter what you do behind the scenes, it matters what you do to show off to people, then people will really be proud of you.

Joletole (talk | contribs) 03:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


Um, last time I checked, showing off was bad...
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 03:13, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
If you show off to much, then yes, but, people will respect you of you have something REALLY good to show off.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 03:18, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Yeah. Good is an opinion. I got banned for doing exactly what you said in another forum. IDTS. UYRWMTBB...
Molybdenum (talk | contribs) 23:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Time to archive?

This page is 32KB now.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 02:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

We can't archive because there is an active "discussion".
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Once it hasn't been responded to, we archive. Or, we don't archive the active discussion, but archive the rest of the page.
Ihaveamac (talk | contribs) 02:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
We archive the portal when we get somewhere around 22 topics/posts, depending on the length of each discussion. They aren't very long.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 20:19, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


Please add the new sds! Thanks!
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:32, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

new template

See User:Curiouscrab/Sandbox. Is a duplicate article template necessary?
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 21:53, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Although that template does serve a good purpose, we already have a template that has a wider range of uses and works just as well. If you see a duplicate of an article, then it would be best to add {{NotUseful}} to the top of the page, and then add a message to the talk page explaining why you added it (so, why you think it's a duplicate). :)
Lucario621 (talk | contribs) 00:58, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

categorizing userpages

Should we create the category userpage, but then protect it to prevent users from completing it? It would help prevent what happens a lot. Same with category user, and user talk.

P.S. I'm testing autosign with this.

Guy Reading.png Note Warning: This page contains important information on Scratch. Please read it carefully so you do not miss anything.

Nice template!

I like the template you made. It looks useful for those pages that you should read carefully. I also saw that you used my image (Not that it matters or anything). BTW, here's how I made my templates: I copied and pasted the template text from your Sandbox, played around with the numbers a bit, and changed the text to have the template the color I wanted, and what to display on the left of it. I like that "How to page" template you did as well. Also, did my image inspire you for that template?
Legobob23o (talk | contribs) 12:28, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Kind of. I thought a guy reading would be perfect for something like this. It seems to depict a reader who read a full page quickly and then came across something (such as a template) and read it and then thought "I have to read this whole thing again?!" and then just looked confused.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 14:46, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
This was suggested before, and has already been denied. Make sure you search thing's before you post them here.
Joletole (talk | contribs) 23:05, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
I posted this more to test autosign, which so far has been successful.
Curiouscrab (talk | contribs) 23:25, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
No. Categories, on this wiki, are used for organisational structuring of content and files related to such content; userpages don't fit within the criteria. Also, what's autosign?
veggieman001 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 11 December 2012 (UTC)



is the new curator

KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 02:06, 12 December 2012 (UTC)