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Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,243edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
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Logging server faults

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See dedicated subpage
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! April 29th, 2021

Welcome to the 37th Thankful Thursday! April 29th, 2021.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
jvvg (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for improving the thumbnail-maker!
    Mlcreater (talk | contribs) 23:15, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Thank you for everything you do on the wiki. You patrol most of the edits, go through the account requests, be an owner of a bot, improving the thumbnail-maker, and everything else you do.
    Dogsmakemehappy (talk | contribs) 15:01, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Jammum (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for your frequent edits, especially ones that are part of complicated topics because it shows your experience with Scratch and also shows how much you help the Scratch Wiki.
    Filmlover12 Icon 2.png Filmlover12 Talk Contribs Scratch 15:40, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
hiPeeps124816 (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for paying such close attention to blocks on the wiki! play sound (Clapping v) until done
    Mlcreater (talk | contribs) 20:34, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Maximouse (talk | contribs)
TheTrillion (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for having interwiki'd so many references!
    Mlcreater (talk | contribs) 18:49, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Pennharlowe (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for improving various explanations, especially a couple or so pertaining to programming. (And welcome!)
    Jonathan50 (talk | contribs) 05:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The next TT is, May 27th, 2021 see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:43, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes Done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:43, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

ScratchX on Scratch Extensions page

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I noticed that this page about Scratch Extensions contains a section about ScratchX, which doesn't work anymore as it requires Flash. Should I put the {{obsolete}} tag or write that it doesn't work anymore?
Kccuber (talk | contribs) 13:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

In my opinion, I would recommend to do both.
TheTrillion (talk | contribs) 14:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Are You Allowed to Include your ....

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... roblox username on you user page? Roblox users can allow anyone to chat them, not just their friends and so that could be linking un-modded chat.
Dogsmakemehappy (talk | contribs) 20:34, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

I think you've answered your own question. Feel free to report edits that introduce such information (go to page history, and click "report" next to "undo").
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
21:06, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
But Scratch itself does allow Roblox usernames (and links - post:4285551). There is even a forum topic full of people sharing their Roblox usernames: topic:5086
Maximouse (talk | contribs) 16:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Yes, since Roblox has a very strict filter, too strict in many people's opinions (I can confirm this as I am an active player and have been for the last few years), and the private chat deletes messages with only one word filtered, correctly or incorrectly.
garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 15:43, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Adding on to what others have said, "discord" is censored, and users under 13 years of age cannot send or recieve private messages (excluding your automated welcome message and news), and users over 13 years of age can control if everyone, friends or no-one can send them messages. However users of all ages can "friend" each other, and can chat with each other. However, as @garnetluvcookie mentioned, Roblox has a very strict filter so that shouldn't too much of a worry.
TheTrillion's Profile Picture.png  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,597 contributions • Scratch  00:28, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Can we make all dicussions be on separate pages?

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This scratch wiki forum is so cluttered up
PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs) 19:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

No No support. Discussions which only relate to a certain page can be kept on that page, but other discussions that relate to the whole wiki need a central place for discussion. The main page? No, as talk pages for main pages should deal only with issues relating to the main page.
Dhuls's Wiki Icon.png Dhuls (Talk|883 Contributions|Scratch) 20:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Well, separating them and transforming the Portal into a decentralized one will make it worse, and that's actually why we have a portal: to discuss everything about the wiki on a determined space, to enable that everyone is able to participate discussions and noticing it on a faster speed, as well as acting as a noticeboard for important updates on software, wiki rules, etc. The Community Portal is also frequently archived for finished discussions to not to do it too way cluttered. Not to mention that there is a table of contents for finding the topic you're looking for.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Well, the table's really really long...
PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs) 22:20, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Please make an article for making the painter's 3D algothrim

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It's so non-laggy and high quality But the worst things are:

1. I can't write an article for it because it's too long to build

2. Even if I was able to make it, I don't know how to make the painter's 3D algothrim

PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs) 22:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs) 16:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "painter's 3D algorithm"
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines [ Talk ~ Contributions ~ Directory ] 10:11, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

A draft namespace suggestion

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I think there should be a new namespace (similar to Wikipedia's Draft: namespace) for mostly incomplete pages or for pages that have the Wiki Standards template and need a lot of edits to the entire page to meet editing guidelines. Such namespace could be called Draft:, WIP: or something similar.  
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 15:55, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

A good idea- in theory. I don't really know how this works, and there might not be enough articles to count for the namespace. Maybe let someone more experienced handle this.
ILikeProggraming123 (talkcontribs) 23:54, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
As ILikePRoggramming123 said, I don't think we have enough articles to justify this, though this could be a chicken and egg problem (i.e. people don't create drafts because there's no "official" way to do so). For now our system seems to be create an article at Article Name/Draft for drafts, or alternatively your user sandbox.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:01, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) If you don't know how this works, try checking out wikipedia:Project:Draft.
Dhuls's Wiki Icon.png Dhuls (Talk|883 Contributions|Scratch) 00:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
My suggestion for a Draft namespace (based on Wikipedia's) is for articles that are expected to be actual articles soon (so incomplete tutorials and pages that need a lot of work before it meets wiki guidelines) that other users can edit (so Draft pages should follow all rules of mainspace pages, including notability guidelines (draft pages on subjects which are not notable enough could still be moved to userspace)). The namespace could be used to store pages that need some more editing before being presentable, with the title the article is expected to have with a Draft: prefix.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 06:10, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
(attempted revival) A few minutes before I wrote this, I tagged the article Scrolling With Lists (Pen) - Tutorial with the expand template. However, that article has very little content to be a useful article right now, and moving it to userspace would prevent other users from editing it (unless the userspace owner was aware of open userspace and added it), so an article like that would go in a hypothetical Draft: namespace (that page is intended to be an actual Scratch Wiki article)
(Something else about a hypothetical Draft namespace) I think having pages that have the Wiki Standards template or are very incomplete until they no longer have problems with their content in a Draft namespace could make mainspace overall higher quality (although Scratch Wiki readers could still find them).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 08:48, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

November Featured Images

Yes Resolved (since 20:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC))

Hello everyone! It's time to decide on featured images for November. If you have any suggestions, please leave them below.

What can I suggest?

You can suggest any image(s) on the English Scratch Wiki that have not been featured previously.

How do I tell if an image has already been featured?

It will have the {{featured}} template on it, shown as a star icon in the top right corner of the image page.

Is there a limit to the number of images I can suggest?

No. However, please don't suggest too many... :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:52, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

How about this or this?
TheTrillion's Profile Picture.png  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,597 contributions • Scratch  00:57, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
A drawing of lavender.jpg Petaldancer66 (talk | contribs) 01:28, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
How about this?
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 13:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Yes Updated
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

"Scratch Contributors (disambiguation)" page?

Yes Resolved (since 14:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC))

I recently spoke with jvvg who thought that adding a disambiguation for the page Scratch Contributors was a good idea. That article is mainly about people who've made significant contributions to Scratch. However, I was thinking of having a disambiguation that shows all areas of Scratch you can contribute (ex. SDS, SWC, FPC, etc.). Thoughts? (I originally posted this on the page's discussion page, but never got a response, so I thought I'd bring it up here.)
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 16:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Since nobody has "objected", and since that jvvg believes this is a fairly decent idea, I guess I'll create the page.
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 20:49, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Yes Done page created! Please do add something if you find something; I'm pretty sure I missed something :P
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 14:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Proposal for new scratch:explore style content-actions tabs

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Hi all,

There is a new proposal for "page", "discussion", etc. tabs currently found in the pencil menu to be included in tabs at the top of the page (which could be instead of or in addition to the pencil menu) in the style of the Scratch Explore page.

The pull request, which includes mock-up screenshots, can be found here: https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/ScratchWikiSkin2/pull/95 However, please keep discussion that isn't code review on this topic.

There are several things that still need discussion:

  1. Is this change even necessary?
    I think so, because this location for the actions is a click less.
  2. Should these tabs replace the pencil menu?
    I think not, because the original explore tab design is unfortunately not very accessible at all... The contrast is simply far too low. The original menu can remain as a more accessible alternative.
    However, it's also not completely out of the question to mildly modify the tabs to be more accessible.
    1. If so, should the pencil now-button remain (perhaps as a quick edit button) or be removed completely?
  3. Should this be made a user preference?
    1. If so, opt-in or out?
  4. Current behavior is to still not have these tabs (i.e. hide them) for anonymous users. Is this ideal?
    I'd say so: readers won't be using those links and it would only be visual clutter for them (while being convenient for editors).

This is a major change to Wiki interface design, so I would appreciate as much community input as possible.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:13, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

I like the idea; it definitely creates a 3.0 feel on the Wiki, which helps to match the main site. This does make it easier to do things like watch pages, go to a talk page, etc., since you don't need to click the pencil icon. I feel like in Preferences, there should be an option to toggle the "buttons" to pencil and back; not just fixed. For New Wikians, I think it'd be beneficial to have the icons as default, as they are, as you said, easier to use.
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 20:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
Just to confirm that I understand you properly, this means your answers to my questions are the following? 1. Yes 2. Unspecified 3. Yes 3.1. Opt out for New Wikians 4. Unspecified
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
My thoughts are: 1. It may not be strictly "necessary" but it definitely is helpful, it will make the interface easier to understand since it may not be obvious to new users to use the pencil menu. 2. I think we should retain the pencil menu for backwards compatibility. 3. Might as well, I would go with opt-out. 4. I'm not sure, since anonymous users may still want to see the talk page or be able to view the source, and they're the least likely to know about the pencil menu. Also, two other comments: I think it may be worth including icons and an alternate display would be like "projects" and "studios" instead of the categories. Not 100% sure how we'd be able to integrate that with the Wiki UI, but imo it might look a bit better and would help with the contrast issues.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Alright, it has been made an opt-out preference. The "projects" and "studios" tabs would make the whole thing far too tall - it would evict most of the page content and leave very little to be seen without scrolling.
However, there are issues with other languages - see this comment. Any other suggestions or is my current solution as good as it gets in your opinion?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
I don't think this is necessary, though it is definitely useful. And it does help explain what certain buttons do (like the rename button).
I think that the pencil menu should remain. I personally don't quite like this idea and I don't doubt that there might be others that wouldn't be interested in this idea either. Nevertheless, it does sound as if this would be useful for New Wikians since, I assume, most would already be used to a more 3.0 skin rather than 2.0. I agree with the opt-out option because of this. (If possible, maybe make a banner for those who may want to opt out for a short duration).
Anonymous users won't need all of the buttons, but certain buttons may be useful for them: Project page and discussion button and the edit button.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:42, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for suggesting this, Ken; it is an interesting change to the layout. That said, I personally do not think it is necessary, nor do I think it should be the default layout if it is added.
I don't follow the thought process of the users who think it should be added because it might be easier for New Wikians. Learning how to use the wiki's interface is an inherent part of learning how to use the wiki, and I don't think that learning that you can access editing tools through the pencil icon adds a significant impediment to this learning process. I think many users probably see the pencil icon, think "oh, this is a pencil icon, I can probably use this to edit the page," and then realize that they can access other editing tools (such as page history and talk pages) through the pencil icon after they've clicked it. In my experience, when new users join the wiki, they usually seem to have the most trouble with aspects of the wiki such as indenting on talk pages. I don't see many users asking how to access the editing interface, probably because they likely realize right off the bat that they can access it through the pencil icon.
I also don't understand why the editing tools need to be able to be accessed through one click instead of two. It makes sense that something like rollback should be able to be accessed through one click because of its urgent nature (although I and several other EWs have two-click rollback enabled anyway to avoid accidental clicks). However, I don't think that accessing the editing interface or viewing the history of a page have this time-sensitive nature. In my opinion, having two clicks instead of one to, say, move or edit a page does not add a significant enough amount of time to the moving or editing process to warrant this change.
I feel that this change would add unnecessary clutter to the interface. That said, Smrman's suggestion on GitHub of using icons does make it less cluttered.
For the reasons outlined above, if this is implemented, I feel that it should be opt-in and that the current layout should stay as the default. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:19, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Short answers to the questions asked on the top of discussion:

  1. (1 & 2) Depends. The pencil icon is widely adapted and documented, and this change shall not make it automatically obsolete. I'd compare the situation with new Vector vs. the old Vector.
  2. (3 & 4) The buttons should definitely be opt-out during adaptation process. However, I think that it may be opt-in once it's widely adapted by the community. The buttons are also shouldn't be enabled for anonymous readers, as long as it's intended for editing. Though, I think it may be possible to make an "anon-user only" or "light" version with fewer buttons and removing the editing buttons at all. But again, this should also be opt-out while getting feedback from the users, as this is a major change on the appearance of the wiki.

Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
07:25, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

bigpuppy honestly i forgot the pencil icon even exists as a vector user, i was sat there for ages trying to figure how to access a page from its talk page
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,232)) 09:21, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
Bigpuppy, I think the problem of the pencil menu is an opaque one - it's easy to figure out, but it needs to be figured out, as opposed to something that's obviously right there in front of you. It's an unnecessary friction in the learning process. Also, if we stick to the current behavior of it being shown to users and not viewers, then New Wikians logging in for the first time will conspicuously see the tabs appear after they have logged in, and thus be invited to try using them, as opposed to there being no visible change to the pencil menu without clicking on it to check.
I think the icons smrman suggested are probably the way forward, so hopefully that minimizes clutter as well. Keep in mind the screenshots I posted are from an admin account - regular users will have two fewer tabs to use, which should again not be quite so cluttered. If you as an admin feel that it's too cluttered for you, you can opt out personally; but most people here seem to not find it quite as much of an issue.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
I think that the buttons would clutter up the interface, espically on small screens, when there is already a way to acess various pages or actions related to the page, which isn't too complicated to acess or to show to new users. However, I noticed there is a commit to remove it on mobile, but it would still impact small screens on computers.
I also noticed text being replaced with icons, which means it takes time to figure out which icons do what, unlike the pencil menu which says what each button does clearly because it says what each button does. It doesn't need time to be figured out. But, if text is used, people will understand which buttons do what faster, but then it takes up more space. But the pencil icon's buttons don't take up much space and are understandable. So, I think they should not be added. If it does get added, I think it should be opt-in.
TheTrillion's Profile Picture.png  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,597 contributions • Scratch  00:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
I don't think this would change the Wiki experience significantly but I could live with either way. I would recommend though not to go for complicated opt-in/opt-out constructions since it would mean having to support (and test) two versions of the user interface in the future which would be an unnecessary effort IMO. In any case I appreciate the lifely and constructive discussion. You may count my vote as an undecided, I'm looking forward to the outcome though.
Frodewin (talk | contribs) 13:44, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

More Cross-wiki Related Extensions?

Yes Resolved (since 18:14, 15 December 2021 (UTC))

How about we add some more extensions that enhance the multi-wiki editing experience?
1. CentralAuth
This would allow a user to log into all wikis with just one password. It would also allow a user with an account on one wiki to get an account on all wikis, which may help other wikis. Username conflicts are unlikely, since all account names are linked with Scratch accounts.
2. GlobalPreferences
This would allow a user to set their preferences for all wikis, instead of having to change them all manually. Local exceptions exist, so if a user wants a setting different on one wiki, but the same for all others, they can do so.
3. GlobalWatchlist
This allows users to have one common watchlist for all wikis.
4. GlobalUserPage
By setting a userpage on a central wiki (probably twiki), a user can have a user page on all wikis they don't have a local userpage for.
5. GlobalCssjs
Allows a user to have custom CSS and custom JS for all wikis, instead of having to change it all manually.
What do you all think?
Dhuls's Wiki Icon.png Dhuls (Talk|883 Contributions|Scratch) 00:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

My thoughts: 1. It's intentional that each Wiki has its own account system. We require that all contributors here be reasonably proficient in English (which we determine with the account request system), and likewise other Wikis require you be proficient in those languages. Additionally, unifying the accounts of all the Wikis would be very difficult. 2-5. This would be nice but won't work without either using CentralAuth or developing our own system to have a centralized ID, which would be possible but probably a significant amount of work (though I will bring this up with other developers for further investigation).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Additionally, adding CentralAuth would require changes to how the account request system works (specifically how we create accounts using CentralAuth), and I don't see a way in CentralAuth to have an account selectively enabled on specific Wikis. If we can find a way to selectively enable accounts on certain Wikis, then we may be able to make this work (we would need to reprogram the account request system to create an account if one does not exist at all, and enable it on the relevant Wiki if one does already exist).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
bro, wikitext has list formatting
# item one
#:elaboration as necessary
# another
Anyway - responding to each in turn:
  1. Rejected by design - you cannot be an editor on another wiki unless you are proficient in that wiki's language (as judged by their specific account request process), or are entitled to access for administrative purposes.
  2. I would support this if there was a way to do it without CentralAuth. If the method jvvg describes (modding both CA and CA) is the only way to make GlobalPreferences work, then it's not worth the effort. Also, most people do not have accounts on multiple wikis, and even those who do typically visit a particular one the most, so the actual use cases for this are fairly limited.
  3. This doesn't even make sense. Different wikis have different pages. Just add the pages to your local watchlists.
  4. This is similar to GlobalPreferences in that it's a nice-to-have but unlikely to be worth the effort given the difficulty and limited use cases.
  5. Same as above, but even more limited use cases since few people on these wikis use user CSS/JS.
I do appreciate the ideas, and the extensions are quite useful on sites like Wikipedia which freely welcome cross-wiki contribution, but we are not Wikipedia and we segregate the languages much more strongly. I don't really see these extensions being added any time soon.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:31, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

New Article about Database Works

Yes Resolved (since 14:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC))

There should be an article regarding the database works (where the Scratch Team moved the comment database between servers) on the Wiki. I think it should be located at Database Works. Hope I was helpful for y'all.
EddyTheFox12 (talk | contribs) 16:43, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it's all that notable (in the end from an end-user perspective nothing changed and the disruption was fairly short-lived). In my opinion, it's worth a mention in Scratch Timeline and maybe Comment (website feature) but not its own article.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
This article is not going to be created anytime soon. The so-called "database works" also happens in the Wiki, but not even all of them worth mentioning. (notable ones usually go to their respective articles with regards to the related topic) For example, we also often do not record when the Scratch website was down, and don't have a separate page for that.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Yes Done
EddyTheFox12 (talk | contribs) 14:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Proposal for quick FAQ links

Yes Resolved (since 00:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC))

We have a lot of FAQ pages on the wiki and all of them have pretty long names. Since they're FAQs and definitely do get linked around a lot, I was thinking that we could have a quick link for FAQ pages. For example, What happens if a project is false reported? can be made as FAQ:FR. It's definitely much more memorable and easier to link. We can also have another category for these links too: Category:FAQ Shortcuts. What do you all think?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:59, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I support this, it would make linking these a lot easier on the forums. A few others that might be useful would be FAQ:UNBAN for How do users get unbanned?, FAQ:SIG for How are forum signatures changed?, etc.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:15, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
I also support this idea because it would be easier to link to them. Also, I created a page in my userspace with my suggestions for shortcuts for most of the FAQ pages (some can be changed, added or removed if needed).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:23, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Also, if this suggestion were to happen, I think a few shortcut creations and them being marked on their corresponding FAQ pages could happen gradually over a few days to release strain and clogging on Recent Changes.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 06:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
It doesn't have to happen immediately. I do think that some sort of agreement must come before adding a shortcut to a page because there could be various different names used instead. We can use Jammum's list as a place to get started though.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:30, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── We've gotten several supporters and nobody has expressed any opposition, so I say we go ahead with this.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

How will we go about this? Will there be a discussion about the name for different FAQ pages? Or do we just start converting the FAQs to their shortcuts based on Jammum's list? We can also move his list to a mainspace (or FAQ?) as a list of all the shortcuts and their paired page.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:32, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
I think just start creating them. Honestly there isn't much discussion to be had.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 19:52, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Ok, I see a bunch of shortcuts already created. Yay!
Also, should we use the {{shortcut}} template for the shortcuts?
And another idea I randomly had, should the regular faq pages go to the FAQ space as well? Since they're "FAQs" as well?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  23:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Using {{shortcut}} would be good. The FAQ: prefix is actually not a namespace (similar to how S: isn't), they're still technically mainspace.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:07, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

December Featured Images

Yes Resolved (since 22:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC))

Hello everyone! It's time to decide on featured images for December. If you have any suggestions, please leave them below.

What can I suggest?

You can suggest any image(s) on the English Scratch Wiki that have not been featured previously.

How do I tell if an image has already been featured?

It will have the {{featured}} template on it, shown as a star icon in the top right corner of the image page.

Is there a limit to the number of images I can suggest?

No. However, please don't suggest too many... :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:30, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

How about this or this?
TheTrillion's Profile Picture.png  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,597 contributions • Scratch  00:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Ok, let’s try this again... :P How about this or this?
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 21:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes Updated
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Link in the footer

Yes Resolved (since 01:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC))

Hi everyone. On the Wiki footer, under Legal, the second link (Disclaimers). It leads to a German Wiki page, which, using the limited German I know & some help from Google Translate, is the Terms of Use page for the de-wiki. Not sure if this is a bug, or intentional. Could an admin respond to this? Thanks! :)
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 19:09, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

This is intentional. The terms of use are legally binding and since the legal owner of the Wiki is German, the legal documents (also including our privacy policy and a few other things) are also in German. If we provided a translation in English it would have to come with the disclaimer that it is only for informational purposes and not legally binding, with the German version remaining legally binding (the Scratch Terms of Use comes with a similar disclaimer saying that the English version is legally binding with any other languages being for informational purposes only). The reason we do not have a non-legally binding English translation at all is that nobody has translated it into English at all.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 22:54, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks!
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 01:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion: Warn users if they add first or second person pronouns to an article

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I think it is very common for more newer users to use first or second person articles to mainspace articles, even though not doing so is part of the guidelines (implying that that section might have been skimmed over) So, I think users should be warned in the editor if they introduce non-third person articles, explaining that the wiki is supposed to look professional and that third person pronouns must be used.

Since quotes and reference citations must be put in articles as it was originally written (unless it needs to fit the Scratch Guidelines), and articles like My Blocks have to use the word 'my', I think a template should be used to mark where it is okay to puy first and second person pronouns (and would not be triggering a warning) or what is used to detect the pronouns could skip over quotes and references as well as the template.

I think AbuseFilter can warn users if a certain condition is met, but there might be a chance warning users for using these pronouns in mainspace articles could be a bit too complex.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:16, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

No No support This would be very difficult to implement. The only real tool we have for this is AbuseFilter which relies on regex, which is a fairly blunt instrument and it would be very difficult to catch all the edge cases for something this complex (and it doesn't help that the word "I" is a single letter, making it all the more difficult to distinguish from legitimate uses), and building a custom extension that actually looks at the parse tree would also be ridiculously overkill for this. Also I think it would be an unnecessary burden on editors to require them to include a template just to say it's ok to use first/second-person pronouns. We also do have a few exceptions where articles are written in first/second pronouns for various reasons, including some cases in tutorials as well as articles like What should I do about unfriendly comments?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

"Long page" template

Yes Resolved (since 18:18, 12 November 2021 (UTC))

Maybe there should be a long page warning template that will appear on huge pages like List of Block Workarounds. I think this will be helpful. The template could be located at Template:Long page. (When this problem will resolved, we'll try to create the template page.)
EddyTheFox12 (talk | contribs) 11:48, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

How would this be helpful? Telling a user that a page is long doesn't really add anything. Warning them would basically discourage them from viewing that page.
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 14:30, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
But some wikis use such a template. You know, extremely complex wiki pages can cause performance issues if you have slow Internet connection. Well, maybe.
EddyTheFox12 (talk | contribs) 15:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
By the time the user is opening a page, it's too late to warn them in terms of performance issues, so it won't help in that regard. I also don't really see any other value in warning users about long pages, they'll be able to tell pretty quickly how long a page is in terms of difficulty reading, and if a page is just a lot of text it won't cause performance issues anyway (list of block workarounds uses scratchblocks which involves a lot of client-side logic which is the main reason it's a fairly slow page). And, as wangat said, this will discourage users from viewing pages simply because they are long. (Side note: I expressed support for splitting up the list of block workarounds but the community consensus was not to do so)
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:44, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Well, I guess long page template will be completely useless on the Scratch Wiki. I feel like I came here just to annoy you, Scratch Wiki contributors. But this is already Yes Done (or isn't it?).
-unsigned comment by EddyTheFox12 (talk | contribs)
Note that Wikipedia does have a long page template, but we are not Wikipedia and the block workarounds page isn't too hard to navigate.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
18:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Scratch Site 404

Yes Resolved (since 20:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC))

So... I just went to Scratch.mit.edu and it shows 404...
I need to finish a school work for tomorrow on it. Anyone know what is happening ?
im so ded

Scratcheur-2020Send (talk | contribs) 19:41, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

It works fine for me...
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Proposal: Create a citation template specifically for archives and web link, maybe running a bot for archiving links

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Hi folks, I've been thinking about the possibility of standardization for more citations. The wiki has {{Cite post}} already, but not an uniform scheme for external links or archives, which could be easily done with a template.

  • As another idea separate from the above, I think that there would be a bot that archives/looks to the archives and puts the archived link into template. That would probably require more extensive and exhaustive work which wouldn't be worth for this wiki, but also would help to not have link rots and keep us off from tedious archiving.

What do you think about it?
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
17:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! November 25th, 2021

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Welcome to the 38th Thankful Thursday! November 25th, 2021.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
jvvg (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for letting me have a wiki account!

bobcat0701 (talk | contribs)

Jammum (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for renaming many pages with incorrect page title names to make them correct!
    TheTrillion (talk | contribs) 22:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
TheTrillion (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for being so active and helpful! People like you are integral to any successful wiki, and I am thankful for you. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Queer_Royalty (talk | contribs)
  • Wow, you joined the wiki ready to help! Thanks for contributing so many helpful edits to the wiki so far, and I hope you continue! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:06, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
PenguinLover1123 (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for contributing so much! Your contributions are greatly appreciated. I hope you continue to edit the wiki! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Petaldancer66 (talk | contribs)
dhuls (talk | contribs)
dullbananas (talk | contribs)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The next TT is, December 23th, 2021 see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

No Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)


Yes Resolved (since 07:41, 26 November 2021 (UTC))

Im wondering if I can add a page with a list of some disrespectful scratchers that have thousands of reports yet have not been banned. I think it will help because it would make more scratchers find out about them and report them, so that ST can ban them for being disrespectful. PS they were disrespectful because they were impersonating others and leaking stuff that the actual people begged to not be leaked.

Joshua-ballesteros (talk | contribs) 05:41, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Such list would not be allowed because its main purpose would be to 'name and shame' or gossip about other Scratchers. Also, because such list would include Scratchers with "thousands of reports", this would be impossible because only the Scratch Team has access to report data and would refuse to disclose it to anyone else. Therefore, anything on the list would be completely speculative and unverifiable.
Overall, such list would be breaking the "Help keep the site friendly" part of the Community Guidelines, especially the part saying not to be "spreading rumors about other people’s behavior".
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:41, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Elections & Appointments

Yes Resolved (since 15:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC))

It's been so long since we've had an Election and an Appointment.
CodeLearnerSai (talk | contribs) 06:40, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

As stated at Scratch Wiki:Elections, elections are held "as deemed necessary by the current administrators." The current wiki administration has not determined that there is a need for new Experienced Wikians or administrators/bureaucrats at this time. If that changes, an election will be held or new administrator(s)/bureaucrat(s) will be appointed. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 06:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
For more information, please see some FAQ about this.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Flawed Article Changing Soon

Yes Resolved (since 00:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC))

Hello everyone,
We are planning to put the new Flawed Article into effect on December 5th (a week from today). If anyone has further changes that you think should be made to the article, please post them on its talk page. Please try not to suggest new flaws, however; there are already quite a few. Thanks! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

The Flawed Article has now been updated. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

How do you make an April Fools page?

Yes Resolved (since 03:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC))

I want to do an AF page
Xolay (talk | contribs) 01:34, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

To make an April Fools' page of an existing page, create a page called Scratch Wiki:April Fools/PAGENAMEHERE.
TheTrillion's Profile Picture.png  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,597 contributions • Scratch  03:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

How do you delete a Scratch Wiki account

Yes Resolved (since 22:37, 3 December 2021 (UTC))

I'm just asking
Xolay (talk | contribs) 18:22, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Pretty sure you can request it. You can't normally delete your own account
LokiBlaster-Icon.png LokiBlaster | Talk Page | Contributions 18:48, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Aside from sending a GDPR request, I don't think this is possible with MediaWiki.
Dhuls's Wiki Icon.png Dhuls (Talk|883 Contributions|Scratch) 00:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
^ This. You can't have your account deleted other than via the GDPR process.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
and where's the gdpr process
Xolay (talk | contribs) 00:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
You'd probably have to privately contact the wiki administration.
Dhuls's Wiki Icon.png Dhuls (Talk|883 Contributions|Scratch) 01:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


  • It is technologically impossible to delete MediaWiki accounts
  • It is also legally impossible to delete Scratch Wiki accounts for copyright reasons
  • As such, the most we can do is permanently lock your account to ensure you never have access to it

So if you wish to exercise your GDPR rights in that regard, take a look at our privacy policy and/or disclaimer, but just know that there's not much we can do.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:49, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

So not possible?
Xolay (talk | contribs) 21:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Not possible. I don't see many reasons as to why you'd delete your Scratch Wiki account, aside from not needing it.
78ch3ProfilePic.png 78ch3 : [My talk] | [|Contribs] | [|Main] 22:37, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

January Featured Images

Yes Resolved (since 00:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC))

Hello everyone! It's time to decide on featured images for January. If you have any suggestions, please leave them below.

What can I suggest?

You can suggest any image(s) on the English Scratch Wiki that have not been featured previously.

How do I tell if an image has already been featured?

It will have the {{featured}} template on it, shown as a star icon in the top right corner of the image page.

Is there a limit to the number of images I can suggest?

No. However, please don't suggest too many... :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 22:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

How about this or this?
TheTrillion's Profile Picture.png  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,597 contributions • Scratch  01:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
This perhaps
78ch3ProfilePic.png 78ch3 : [My talk] | [|Contribs] | [|Main] 23:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Yes Updated
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:18, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

My user warning templates

Yes Resolved (since 01:17, 6 January 2022 (UTC))

I made some user warning templates that you can use on talk pages of users who break the rules.
CodeLearnerSai (talk | contribs) 00:57, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

First of all, the block templates wouldn't be allowed, since
  • Only bureaucrats can block, making this pointless for others
  • If it goes on the talk page, it will break Scratch's Community Guidelines
  • MediaWiki allows specifying block reasons (that's what $2 is).
Second of all, is there any reason we need this. Other than "Wikipedia uses this"?
Third, we don't need 4 warning templates for vandalism. In that case, we only need one. Same goes for some other things.
Fourth, would it kill the mods to type messages each time? These things happen rarely.
Fifth, your exposing the block appeal address. This exists for a reason, and MediaWiki:BlockedText uses it, another point for it.
Dhuls's Wiki Icon.png Dhuls (Talk|883 Contributions|Scratch) 02:33, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Just to put other reasons in addition to those that Dhuls have pointed out before me are that we don't have enough amount of vandalism to justify the usage of those templates (as a plus of being a approved-users-only wiki), and I am pretty sure that the admins block the vandals on sight instead of waiting them to stop.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
In addition, we do not publicize blocks, and generally we prefer to try to hide that they even happened. Using block templates would defeat this purpose.
Also, please do not give out email addresses without permission, especially if they're not your own. That's against the Community Guidelines. (The email you put in your templates wasn't even the correct one.) We don't keep the appeals email private just because we like to be secretive.
Some corrections to what others have said:
  • Dhuls, they were suggesting messages to post on talk pages, not new content for MediaWiki:Blockedtext.
  • Ahmetlii, we do tend to warn vandals before blocking, but if it's clear they're ignoring the warning or blatantly disregarding it then we move to a swift block.
Thank you for taking the time to make these, but I'm afraid they will not be used.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
01:17, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Just to make sure, Are talk page guides accepted?

Yes Resolved (since 06:23, 12 December 2021(UTC))

I'm making one and I am not sure if anybody would accept this so I'm asking this
Mar10Josh (talk | contribs) December 11 2021 7:12 PM

We already have one.
Dhuls's Wiki Icon.png Dhuls (Talk|883 Contributions|Scratch) 05:29, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Oh thanks!
Mar10Josh (talk | contribs) 06:23, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Can I make a hover text template?

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There are some people who want to make text appear when they hover over something, like more information on scratchblocks or confusing items. Can I do this?
Mar10Josh (talk | contribs) 05:14, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

If all you want to do is add hover text, it's very simple, but that shouldn't be done in mainspace articles since a user wouldn't know to hover over it for more information. We do have a few other pages that have a fancy underline and show a question mark cursor when hovering over something (for example, giving a definition or an expansion of an acronym), but I can't actually find any at the moment, so please let me know of any examples so I can see if we already have a template for that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
I have been informed by kenny2scratch that you use the <abbr> tag, like this. I think that's simple enough that we don't need a template.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Yep - see:
<abbr title="abbreviation">abbr</abbr>
Part of regular HTML.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
17:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

MediaWiki Vulnerability

Yes Resolved (since 03:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC))

Hi everyone,

A vulnerability has been discovered in MediaWiki that bypasses permission checks for some actions and allows editing any page without proper permission. We have added the recommended configuration settings to patch this vulnerability, but we also do plan on upgrading to MediaWiki 1.35.5 fairly soon to be on the safe side. At this time I don't know exactly when this will happen, but minor version upgrades usually only result in a few minutes of downtime (if that).

All this being said, I audited our server access logs and have not found any indications that this Wiki has been attacked using this vulnerability.

For more information, see the MediaWiki announcement.

Thank you to apple502j for bringing this to our attention.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Alrighty, thanks for letting us know about this. Hope it will be resolved soon!
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 20:53, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
The Wikis have been upgraded to 1.35.5. This issue is resolved.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

The Wiki now has (beta) dark theme!

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The Wiki interface now has a dark theme! This theme is still in beta - expect issues. You can enable it in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. Please report any issues you encounter on this CP topic or in the Wiki forum topic.

We're already aware of some compatibility issues, but please mention whatever you see. Please report issues by adding them to the list in the following format:

* Issue https://link.to/screenshot~~~~

Please use an approved Image Host for your screenshot. Note also that we are prioritizing cases where the interface is actually unusable (e.g. dark-theme-white text on light-theme-white background) over cases where regular light theme styling is appearing in the midst of dark theme styling.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Update on Arc CDN

Yes Resolved (since 07:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC))

Several months ago, we incrementally rolled out (and then fully enabled) Arc CDN in the hope that users would see page speed-ups and that we could make some money on the side.

That hasn't happened. We have no way of measuring cache times, but I at least haven't seen a significant speed-up. Additionally, the promise of money seems to have entirely been a scam: as of 2021-12-20T05:45:00Z, we have $167.9 "ready to pay out", none of which actually has been.

This loss of trust led us to investigate Arc further, and what we found did not please us. First off, their website does not list a privacy policy, terms of use, or any other legal document. There also seems to be no evidence of their presence at the address they list on their website (though that may just be Google Maps not updating), plenty of complaints on various forums about lack of payouts, and just general lack of credibility all round.

As such, we have disabled Arc, and since it left behind a JavaScript service worker, we have also added a script to MediaWiki:Common.js to clear that worker. This should eventually clear it from everyone, but out of an abundance of caution, we recommend clearing all of your English Scratch Wiki cookies and logging in a fresh session. That is the only surefire way to ensure Arc no longer runs anything on your browser when you visit the Wiki.

Thank you for your patience, and apologies for misplacing your trust. To the best of our knowledge, the mistake has been repaired, and user data shouldn't have been affected, but we are continuing to investigate further and will report back as necessary.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Even though this didn't turn out how you hoped, thank you for making the Wiki a better place everyday!
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  13:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Noting it here) A GitHub repository involving connecting Arc and MediaWiki instances created by some of this wiki's members has been archived after I made an issue on its removal by this wiki.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 08:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Formalizing policy on second person

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Hi everyone,

This Wiki, with a few exceptions, does not allow use of second person in articles. In most cases I agree with this, but I think at some points we reach a point where losing clarity and/or directness to achieve this level of formality. Therefore, I propose that we have a few exceptions:

In think in all of these, it is more important to be clear and direct rather than formal. Especially in the first two categories listed above, it is important that the article speak directly to the user. In the end, the most important goal of the Wiki is to provide information Scratchers need.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:56, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I think that it is merely a "guideline" which is accepted by the most of community and commonly enforced, but I hesitate from calling it as a "policy" which shall be enforced very strictly on all pages. I mostly agree about de-personification but at least some of the FAQ and how-to pages should be second-person due to their own nature.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:21, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
I think this is partially already in effect. S:GUIDES states:
Never use first person ("I", "we", "let's") and avoid second person ("you", "your") as much as possible, unless the entire article is a tutorial, in which case it should still be used sparingly.
S:EC states:
In tutorials, use "you" only when giving instructions to the user. For other content within a tutorial article (such as explaining a concept but not giving direct instructions on how to apply it), follow the rule above and avoid using "you".

In FAQ articles, only use "you" inside the FAQ box - in extra content, refrain from using "you".

That said, I think it may be a good idea to add more direct exceptions along the lines of what you have stated. I agree that we should value providing clear and understandable information over unnecessary formality in most cases. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 08:05, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Is moving Scratch Wiki accounts supported yet?

Yes Resolved (since 07:46, 27 December 2021 (UTC))

Although I haven't used Scratch in a while, I took the time today to clean up some of my Internet accounts, including moving them all to a new email. I came by my accounts here on the wiki, and I would like to check in on this matter:

One of the rules of requesting a Scratch Wiki account is, Your account can't be for an alternate Wiki account. This means that if I attempted to request an account from a second Scratch account that I own, my request would be rejected immediately.

I then thought about another way to request how to move my Scratch Wiki registration under a different username. Before I stumbled upon the community portal though, I came across a notice on Special:RequestAccount with a message along the lines of:

If you move accounts on Scratch, you will have to keep the username you input here for the rest of your Wiki days. We do not support moving accounts. Choose wisely!

Now, that really disappointed me because the current username is from my initial registration on Scratch when I was younger, and I have since grown and the username Scrunchy1 does not appear on any of my primary internet accounts anymore, and I've since wished to relinquish it entirely from my accounts online, everywhere.

Returning today after I have been sorting through my accounts to clean them up, I revisited the Scratch Wiki today and am reminded of this untied loose end that I'd like to see if I could do away with it. Today, the sentence from the blockquote above is no longer visible on Special:RequestAccount. I am now questioning whether this policy has therefore changed, and so I can request that my Scratch Wiki registration be moved to a new Scratch Account.

Could this be clarified?

Scrunchy1 (talk | contribs) 05:14, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for posting. Even though that message is no longer present on Special:RequestAccount, the policy has remained (mostly) unchanged. While we now have the technical capability to rename accounts, it will not be done unless an account's corresponding Scratch account has been renamed by the Scratch Team. Thank you for understanding, and feel free to ask if you have any further questions. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 07:46, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended confirmed user access level and protection level.

Yes Resolved (since 17:13, 20 December 2021 (UTC))

Some pages that jvvg protected were to EWs and Admins only and that is too restrictive. An EW should also be extended confirmed to edit an extended confirmed protected page. This right should be automatically given to accounts that are 75 days old and have made at least 500 edits.
CodeLearnerSai (talk | contribs) 02:11, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, first of all we are not Wikipedia, so we don't have a "extended confirmed" role either (and plus it would be stupid given our non-anonymous wiki, role system and rules). Second: most of the EW+ protected pages are - for obvious reasons like vandalism and high-traffic pages - Wiki Wednesday pages (which are only protected for a month), or template/MediaWiki pages which may affect the entire wiki on a case of vandalism. Also, the admins have the right to exercise EW+ protection on a case of edit warring, or something else not mentioned in this paragraph. After all, the EWs are the "trusted and elected" members of this community whose are also trusted to not going to vandalize pages and abuse their rights, and the role system is also not a status symbol.
... of course, you may be right about that the amount of the active EWs and admins are not enough as the wiki has grown over time and some of them retired, but that's a different topic.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
17:13, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

How Do You Give Credit For a Tutorial?

Yes Resolved (since an unknown date)

I want to fix the List-Based Raycaster Tutorial using this project. I created a modified version that added wall detection, but I want to know how to give @peter1876 credit for their original project. I would ask them, but they haven't been active in 11 months, so I don't know what to do. Does anyone know how I would give credit? Thanks,
Jbthepig (talk | contribs) 23:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I reccommend that you only mention them in an edit summary (the box that says 'Summary' below the space where editing is done) because mentioning that user in the article itself might be considered promoting or advertising them.
(Small note: You used external links to link to the Scratch Wiki, see this, which shows how to use internal links to other Scratch Wiki Pages)
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 08:08, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Jbthepig (talk | contribs) 21:48, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Yes Resolved (since 00:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC))

I'd just like to wish everyone a happy new year and thank you all for your contributions to the Scratch Wiki in 2021. However you contribute to the wiki, be it by writing articles, fixing typos, welcoming new users, or something else entirely, your contributions are necessary and valued. The English wiki had over five million pageviews in 2021, and even though it can be hard sometimes to see the impact your contributions make, I hope that number puts things into perspective.

It's a wonderful thing that we've been able to continue building such a useful and substantial resource about Scratch, and that wouldn't have been able to happen without the collaboration of all our contributors. I'd also like to extend my thanks to Martin Wollenweber and the other Experienced Wikians, administrators, and bureaucrats for keeping this show on the road.

Let's make 2022 a great year for the Scratch Wiki! 10milemoji.png :)

P.S.: Thank you to Kenny2scratch for telling me the number of pageviews!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

February Featured Images

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Hello everyone! It's time to decide on featured images for February. If you have any suggestions, please leave them below.

What can I suggest?

You can suggest any image(s) on the English Scratch Wiki that have not been featured previously.

How do I tell if an image has already been featured?

It will have the {{featured}} template on it, shown as a star icon in the top right corner of the image page.

Is there a limit to the number of images I can suggest?

No. However, please don't suggest too many... :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:19, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

How about this?
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 14:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
How about this or this?
TheTrillion's Profile Picture.png  TheTrillion • Talk • 2,597 contributions • Scratch  21:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
How about this?
Filmlover12 Icon 2.png Filmlover12 Talk Contribs Scratch 20:24, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

January 2022 Experienced Wikian Election

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Hi everyone,

This is an announcement I'm sure many of you have been eagerly awaiting. On behalf of all of the Wiki administration, I would like to announce that we will be hosting the January 2022 Experienced Wikian elections.

The election procedure will be the same as the past few elections, with one significant change: the voting software will be hosted on-wiki with a custom extension I am currently building rather than off-site. For those not aware, the process is follows, with more details on the election information page:

  • Any user who has over 50 mainspace edits as of when I make this announcement and whose Wiki account was created before December 4, 2021 may nominate themselves
  • After nominations close, the existing Wiki administration will choose who we believe are suitable candidates to run in the election
  • The chosen candidates will have an opportunity to write speeches
  • Wiki contributors will be given an opportunity to vote
    • Any user whose account was created before this announcement was made and is not currently banned on the Wiki may vote
    • Voting will use the Borda count system, where each voter ranks the candidates in order of preference

The important dates are (all times at midnight UTC, or 7pm Scratch Time - click the link to see in your local time) on the beginning of that day:

This post will also be updated with more details, including the processes for nomination and voting, as we set things up. Please respond to this topic if you have any questions.

I would also like to re-emphasize that this election is being held solely because the existing Wiki administration has determined that we need to augment our staff. I have received a number of questions about when the next election will be and suggestions that we have one immediately; those were not considered. Additionally, the fact that it has been a long time since we had the last election was not considered. Finally, I would like to emphasize again that becoming an Experienced Wikian is not simply a reward or a "next step" for productive Wiki contributors; it is a necessary role to operate the Wiki. Similarly to how the United States only has one president despite having a large number of people who would likely be qualified for that role, we only have a few EWs. For a slightly sarcastic Q&A about this, see this essay I wrote a while back in response to these questions.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:28, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Nominations are now open until Thursday, January 13. If you plan to nominate yourself to run in the election, please first review the election page and eligibility requirements. Please remember, nominating yourself does not necessarily mean you will be able to run in the election. That said, good luck to anyone who plans to nominate themselves! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:00, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello! I'd just like to remind everyone that nominations close at 00:00 UTC on Thursday, January 13, which is on Wednesday, January 12 at 7 PM in Scratch Time. No further nominations will be accepted after that point. If you are planning to nominate yourself, please do so as soon as possible to avoid missing the cutoff time. Thank you, and good luck to those who have already nominated themselves or who plan to nominate themselves! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello again. Now that nominations are closed, we would like to announce who is running. We have selected Jammum (talk | contribs) and wangat (talk | contribs) to run in this election. We are also changing the voting process to account for the fact that there are only two candidates: instead of ranking them using the Borda count system, voters simply indicate whether or not you approve of each candidate (you can also abstain from voting for a particular candidate). If at least 50% of the votes for a candidate are "Yes", then that candidate will become an EW. From this, it is possible that both candidates will be elected, only one will, or that neither will be. For the candidates selected, please respond to this topic with your speeches when you get the chance (please see the election rules for the guidelines for your speech). For everyone else, voting will open a week from now (Thursday, January 20 at midnight UTC).
We recognize that this decision may come as a surprise to some users, as we have never only selected two candidates before. This was a very difficult decision for us to make and we did not make it lightly. This is also not a disparagement of those who nominated themselves but were not selected. If you nominated yourself but were not selected, you are still welcome to nominate yourself again for the next election (we do not know at this time when it will be), and depending on the situation on the Wiki as well as your contributions at the time we may decide to select you to run at that time.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Here is my speech:
Hello, fellow Wikians! Thank you to every wiki contributor for making the Scratch Wiki a great Wiki! I am an active Wikian who has had over 3 years of experience here and over 4,000 edits as part of this Wiki's community. I promise to continue building this wiki and its community, using new privileges appropriately and for the greater good of this wiki, if I get elected. I will strive to help other users if they have any questions about the wiki.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 16:08, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 19:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Here is my speech :):

Greetings, fellow Scratch Wikians! I'm wangat, an active Wikian who has been on the Scratch Wiki for almost a year. Even though I might be a newer user, I still have much experience in creating many helpful new pages, updating articles, joining in discussions, adding to help pages, welcoming new users, and answering others’ questions, along with being one of the most active Wikians. I check Recent Changes almost every day, so I can easily patrol edits. As an Experienced Wikian, I promise to help support and advance the Wiki and its community to the best that it can be.
Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 20:35, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both for posting your speeches. Just so you know, you may revise and re-post your speech at any time until voting opens. The last speech you post will be the one that is used on the election page. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 15:53, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Categorizing Redirects

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Categorizing redirects makes them easier for others to find them and such templates would describe the redirects. The meta-template would be:

  • [[:Category:{{{category}}}|{{{1}}}]]: This is a redirect {{{2}}}.

CodeLearnerSai (talk | contribs) 01:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

If you just want a list of redirects, we already have that built in to MediaWiki. I also don't really see any benefit to having categories of redirects.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:03, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
I think that categorizing by the reasons of redirects or adding an explanation with a template would be useful to find out what are those redirects and their reasons.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
05:31, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Home page is broken

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Broken columns - CrazyBoy826

In the vector skin on Scratch Wiki Home, the Featured Images display below the News section on the left and the featured article and "The Scratch Wiki" display side-by-side at the bottom. This is probably because the News section is shorter than the contents, so the Featured Images is blocked on the right by the contents section. Can someone fix this?
CrazyBoy826 icon.png CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,221 edits | Scratch 02:39, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

It looks fine to me on Firefox on Windows 11.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
This is probably because my screen is larger/wider. The contents section has a fixed height because of the images, but the news has no images, so its height will change depending on the user's screen size. On my screen, 7/10 of the lines in the News are a single line.
CrazyBoy826 icon.png CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,221 edits | Scratch 03:29, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
I'll take a look tomorrow when I can get on a larger monitor. A quick band-aid would be simply sticking min-height on.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:44, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
A similar misalignment happens to me. The boxes are the right size but some are in the wrong column. My browser/OS stats are iPad iOS 15.1 and Chrome 96.0.4664.116 (according to the forums' detector).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:29, 4 January 2022 (UTC)


Misaligned columns on Scratch Wiki Home - Jammum

It also happens on Chrome 96 on a Windows 10 PC (resolution 1920x1080).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 18:17, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Jammum: I'm not sure I see the issue here? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:01, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
It only happens if the screen is very wide (larger than 1920*1080) on the vector skin. This causes the News box to be shorter, making the Images hit the contents.
CrazyBoy826 icon.png CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,221 edits | Scratch 19:18, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
This could become an issue for general readers of the Wiki if the Contents gets taller or the News is unusually short.
CrazyBoy826 icon.png CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,221 edits | Scratch 19:20, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
You can see the problem at User:CrazyBoy826/Scratch Wiki Home, where I removed the News section.
CrazyBoy826 icon.png CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,221 edits | Scratch 01:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
General readers will be on SWS2, which should always be narrow enough to avoid this issue. We've never made guarantees about vector; we make a best effort to not severely damage it, but especially in an edge case like yours (very wide screen) it's just not worth the time. However, if you want to spend the time fixing it yourself, by all means do and use S:CPSYS once your solution is ready.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archives

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This page displays the archive links on top of a grid of gray placeholder images. Is this supposed to happen?
CrazyBoy826 icon.png CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,221 edits | Scratch 19:39, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

It's supposed to show as a gradient, though I have seen what you're describing in the past. Have you tried hard refreshing or purging the cache of whichever page you're viewing it on? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:43, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
purging and hard refreshing don't work, and it doesn't work when viewed from the page itself. However, it does briefly display as a solid color when loading.
CrazyBoy826 icon.png CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,221 edits | Scratch 01:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
I designed an different version that should fix this. User:LokiBlaster/Sandbox
LokiBlaster-Icon.png LokiBlaster | Talk Page | Contributions 16:08, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Update File:Scratch Cat-cropped.png

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File:Scratch Cat-cropped.png needs to be updated to the 3.0 version of the scratch cat. This is a very visible image that is used in many places, so it is important to update it.
CrazyBoy826 icon.png CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,221 edits | Scratch 02:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Problem with previewing

Yes Resolved (since 04:01, 10 January 2022 (UTC))

If the "show previews without reloading the page" option in Preferences is selected, the dialog saying "you have not previewed your changes" displays, even if I preview the changes.
CrazyBoy826 icon.png CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,221 edits | Scratch 20:24, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I will look into this. Thanks for letting me know.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
I think I've fixed it, you may need to do a hard refresh to see the changes updated though.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Update or remove Scratch Wiki News

Yes Resolved (since 04:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC))

Hello, I have seen that Scratch Wiki News has been inactive for about 9 months now now. It should be time to either remove it or to update it.
LokiBlaster-Icon.png LokiBlaster | Talk Page | Contributions 19:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it is inactive, the latest post was: January 3, 2022. Are you thinking of something else?
Filmlover12 Icon 2.png Filmlover12 Talk Contribs Scratch 19:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
This is the one I'm talking about
LokiBlaster-Icon.png LokiBlaster | Talk Page | Contributions 19:43, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, I think it should be updated, although I don't think there has been a Thankful Thursday for a while.
Filmlover12 Icon 2.png Filmlover12 Talk Contribs Scratch 19:45, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
To be honest, I kinda forgot that existed at all. I have put in a new entry for now and will try to keep it updated going forwards.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 04:00, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Improvements to Scratch Wiki Home

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The front page of the wiki has some optimizations that could be made:

  1. Linking the Scratch Cat and Gobo pictures to Scratch Cat and Gobo
  2. Replacing all permanent images with SVG versions (File:Scratch Cat-cropped.svg, File:Gobo.svg, File:Gobo TOC.svg)
  3. Linking the "Scratch Website" image in the TOC to Project:Table of Contents/Front Page instead of /Website (no, this has not been implemented: clicking on the image of the scratch cat and a globe takes you to /Front Page, which redirects to /Website)

    Possibly controversial
  4. Removing the period after "Made by Scratchers, for Scratchers"
  5. Linking "Scratchers" in that line
  6. Increasing the size of "Scratch Wiki" at the top
  7. Balancing the size of the Scratch Cat and Gobo better
  8. Possibly make the April Fools page useful for users who want to read the wiki (instead of seeing April Fools content). I feel like the April Fools page has been overdone, and reducing the "craziness" would help.

Any thoughts and suggestions?
CrazyBoy826 icon.png CrazyBoy826 | Talk | 8,221 edits | Scratch 04:34, 14 January 2022 (UTC) (updated 23:04, 14 January 2022 (UTC))

My thoughts:
  • 1. Support. If users click on the images, it would be more informative to send them to the article about the image, rather than a possibly confusing file page.
  • 2. Support.
  • 3. This is already implemented; I'm pretty sure.
  • 4. Neutral; with the period, it makes the sentence look less like a motto and more like a statement. However, currently as it is, it isn't doing any harm.
  • 5. No support. That would kind of defeat the "look" of the motto if we interwikied one Scratcher word and not the other.
  • 6. Neutral. Considering that the article page (which is pretty large) says "Scratch Wiki Home", I don't think it's necessary to make the text larger.
  • 7. Support. The current format kind of makes the page look like it's leaning to the right.
  • 8. Neutral. I'm not sure what you mean by "for users who want to read the wiki". They likely would be trying to read an actual article, not an AF page.
    Wangat logo.png wangat talkcontribsprofile 14:21, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
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