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EW election (we are NOT hosting one right now just to be clear)

As I said in the title, let me be clear that we are not hosting an EW election now or in the near future.

Anyway, that aside, we have had several instances where there have been no EWs or admins around for periods of several days. This means that the news doesn't get updated promptly and that disputes can take a lot longer to resolve. Obviously, this isn't a good thing, and several people have suggested that we elect a new EW to help mitigate this problem. I have discussed this a bit with the other EWs and admins, and we haven't reached a conclusion yet. While electing another EW would help mitigate the problem, it does come with some costs. As some of you remember, the last election had several disputes over the procedures, and that could happen again if we have another election. Also, training new EWs takes a while, as there are a lot of subtleties to the rules that have to be picked up, especially those about processing account requests. That would take time to do, and it's possible we'll end up with someone who ends up causing a lot of problems.

Given the potential risks and benefits, what does everyone think about voting for a new EW sometime in 2016? The election would not be immediate (nominations would start February at the very earliest, and probably significantly later), and we would probably only choose one new EW. Also, if anyone has any other comments or suggestions about having an election, please say them now so that they can be taken into account.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:55, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Anyone could cause problems its more of trying to figure out who would cause the least. Also since you said there isn't really an official process it would be confusing for some. The EW's and admins are also probably getting older which means more homework which means not as much wiki time. I think that some new ones MIGHT be worth while, But that's my opinion. Also if you do get into MIT (which many are hoping you will) means even LESS wiki time so I'd say Yes, most likely.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 18:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I definitely think an EW election is in need. I feel that almost none of the higher authorities are active anymore :( As for this disputes, I would ensure that the Scratch Team plays a role in the election to help settle arguments. I do think an election would be a good idea. As for the training problem, I would make sure to only allow people to run that have shown a history of activeness on and off the wiki, meaning the website, to prove that they will be there to receive their training as quickly as possible to reduce mistakes. What does everyone else think?

St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  21:55, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
I think what is being inferred here is that an election at this time isn't the best time because the current ews and admins are very busy. Teaching new ews take a lot of effort and time, which the ews and admins don't fully have at this time, so it wouldn't be the best idea.
stgalla, your custom signature needs to be transcluded, not a copy and paste raw format. (look at my signature markup for an example) Could you please change that as soon as possible? Transclusions make it way easier to fix and change the sig if ever needed. Thanks..
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 00:13, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
I think an election is in need. EW's are important for the community to run, and our lack of any super active people is not good. Not that I'd be a good EW :P
Rollercoasterfan (talk | contribs) 16:23, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── After reading everyone's responses and talking a little bit with KrIsMa, I think we will have an election sometime next year. I have outlined the rules and procedures that I think we should use in my sandbox. Please take a look at them and suggest any changes you think we need.

I also asked scmb1 if having an election would be ok. Once we have a clear idea of how it's going to work and that scmb1 is ok with it, we'll decide on a date. As in previous elections, the existing EWs and admins will be in charge of running the election.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I took a look at the rules and procedures. They all made sense and were very well said. I would suggest adding something along the lines of "being 'friendly' with admins and EWs will not increase your chances of being selected." as I foresee users commenting on admin/EWs talk pages saying hello, etc. to get them to like them more xD

St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  22:27, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
The rules and procedures look good! I think maybe we might need two new EWs...

Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 00:35, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I think that two new EWs might be a good idea. What specific problems were there with previous elections?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 00:49, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I agree with two new EWs, but I think we could get away with 1 :)

St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  01:10, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I have one suggestion. In the section above "Rules" you refer to "the rules listed above." I suggest that the Rules be actually listed above that section, or that "the rules listed above" be changed to "the rules listed below." ;)
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 01:38, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

The rules look fair to me. I wonder if any wikians without a lot of edits on big articles will start editing. That's my only worry.
Programmer1121 (talk | contribs) 01:45, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm replying to a bunch of people here, so this is going to be kind of messy.
1. While that is something of note, the detail about being friendly with admins is not an actual rule that people need to follow in order to keep a civil election. While it is true that we only really consider the stuff specifically listed, it's not an actual rule in the same way as the others.
2. I'm not sure whether we need one or two new EWs at the moment. I'll discuss this with the other EWs and admins that we have now and we'll decide. I'll keep everyone posted.
3. The problem with the previous election is that some users were rather angry about not being chosen to run in the final vote and the fact that someone who wasn't actually in charge of coordinating the election was trying to run it himself. I'd rather not go into more detail.
4. "Rules listed above" refers to the previous lines the user posted (all the "I agree/understand that..." stuff).
5. We will consider the overall behavior of all candidates who nominate themselves, and this includes anything they do in an obvious effort to be chosen. If someone just looks like they're making edits to get attention, then they probably won't make it onto the final list. The best thing to do from now until the election to be chosen is just to keep editing productively like normal.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
What can we do to make sure that no one is trying to run the election if they are not in charge?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 03:38, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Not let them make any decisions :P @jvvg I didn't mean to make it into a rule, I meant rather as an informative statement :)

St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs  04:07, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Purplebook163: This time we're going to be a lot more strict and clear about the rules of the election in order to make sure it runs smoothly. If anyone that's not actually an election coordinator tries to take control of the election, they will receive consequences in keeping with the Wiki guidelines. I'm specifically enumerating a rule about that this time. @st19_galla: I might make a "notes" section, but I'm still thinking about that.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 15:57, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I outdented due to jvvgs text not looping to a new line. I think an informative "notes" section would be nice. It could include a basis on how the election works, voting, speeches, etc. Although it should probably not be called "notes" as those are very important xD
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs 
Ok, I added a section titled "notes and stuff" that explains the voting and how we will decide which candidates will run.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:51, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @jvvg: Your sandbox looks great. :D Could you add a section briefly describing the duties of any elected EWs? Maybe even add a section about what happens after the election as far as what their responsibilities will be, roughly how active they would be preferred to be, etc. that way they can get an idea of exactly what they are signing up for.

Also, would it be a good idea to set up how a tie would be broken? I saw that was a small problem when I looked over the talk pages of previous elections.
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 01:25, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

We already have Scratch Wiki:Experienced Wikians to explain the duties. Most of the other stuff is pretty adaptable and not really set in stone. We also only discussed tie-breaking in the previous election in case it happened, but it didn't. However, if it does, we'll just use the most #1 votes, then the most #2 votes, and so on until the tie is broken.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:36, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Thanks for the answer.
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 02:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Also, I think an EW -> Admin election might be a good idea. Having an extra admin would be useful for those tasks which EWs can't do.

Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 08:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
We already chose KrIsMa to become an admin at the time of the election.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 14:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Wow, congratulations KrIsMa! However, if that's the case, then I would suggest electing two new EWs as there would be no more active ones left. Hardmath's last contrib was in January and Turkey3 left a comment on the CP that he/she would no longer be active :(
St19 Galla Logo.png St19_Galla   Talk • Contribs 
I agree, we should definitely have a new EW election.

AghaCool (talk | contribs) 010:28, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Like I said, we'll discuss whether one or two is better after ErnieParke is back. I'll keep everyone posted. Also, we will probably have the election in March, but that isn't the final chosen date yet and may change.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Ah sorry, I wasn't aware of that. Congrats to KrIsMa!

Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 01:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Just informing you I'm not dead.

I just have more productive things to do at the moment. ;-)
TheHockeyist (talk | contribs) 02:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Scratch Team Wiki Page

So as you know, the Scratch Team is growing bigger and bigger. Currently, I think I've been the ONLY one that has been updating the Scratch Team Wiki Page. Their were many Scratch Team Members that had been retired for a while, but they were not in the Retired Members section.

I was wondering, since their are a lot of new Scratch Team Members, on the Scratch Team Wiki Page, I was wondering if we should put a section in the Scratch Team Wiki Page called newest scratch team members and we can all edit that section and when a new Scratch Team Member comes, we put his/her name, and we congradulate him/her on the Wiki Page by leaving a sentence - paragraph saying welcome (etc.) and then we show that new Scratch Team Member that wiki page and hopefully it'll be a big surprise for them!

The reason I wanted do this on the Scratch Wiki, is Scratch Team Members don't check it often so we have a better chance of surprising a new Scratch Team Member!

Anybody on board with this idea? Let me know!

AghaCool (talk | contribs) 10:40 30 December 2015 (UTC)

So, you want to announce new Scratch Team Members on the Wiki's home page like we do curators?
I don't know if this is off topic, but I think it would be kind of cool to welcome new Wiki users somewhere too- probably not the front page because that could take up a lot of room.
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 22:25, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
We could possibly do what you suggested first. I was more thinking to have the surprise welcome and new scratch team members on the Wiki Page that lists all of the Scratch Team, but what you said first is fine too. As for what you said second, that would be kind of hard to do and it won't exactly matter that much. Do you know what I mean?
Anyone else have any thoughts on the Scratch Team Wiki Page and the welcoming new Scratch Team Members thing?

AghaCool (talk | contribs) 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Scratch Team Involvement in the Wiki

I have found two articles that are protected and only the Scratch Team can edit that are in much need of updating, clean up, or keeping up to wiki standards.

For example, Scratch Helper Groups is very short, and I would consider it a stub. Also, I believe "Future additions include groups that will support giving project feedback and moderating the Scratch forums." is no longer accurate.

Scratch Press is another good example. There are typos, missing categories, and missing templates on this page. "Lifehacker (February 2015) Top 10 Ways to Teacher Yourself to Code" should be "Lifehacker (February 2015) Top 10 Ways to Teach Yourself to Code". The page should have an External Programs and a Scratch Team Page template. It should also be categorized under Category:Scratch Culture.

How do we get the Scratch Team more involved in what happens on the wiki? What do we do to fix articles like these that aren't editable by us? Are there any active Scratch Team members that have wiki accounts or are interested in the wiki? Can these problems be fixed by an admin or EW?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 22:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

The Wiki is fairly autonomous and the Scratch Team really doesn't do much with it. Consequently, most of them don't really know how it works that well and aren't familiar with the writing standards we use. It would be nice to have the Scratch Team involved, as having technical issues resolved can take up to a week, even though the issue itself may be fairly simple. The possible upshot is that I may be going to MIT this fall (if I get in, fingers crossed), and if I do, they will likely let me administer the Wiki as a Scratch Team member. However, in the meantime, I actually can't edit the pages. They are only editable by Scratch Team members.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:01, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Spanish Scratch Wiki?


The Spanish population is quickly growing! I was wondering if we have a Spanish Scratch Wiki (although I don't think we do.) I can speak Spanish pretty well. Do you know if someone could start a Spanish Wiki?

AghaCool (talk | contribs) 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I also speak Spanish fairly well. If you want to create a Spanish wiki, just go to the Test Wiki and request an account (I'll approve it, just mention that you want to create a Wiki in Spanish). For all of your articles, start them with "es:", such as "es:Página Principal". Once we have a bunch of articles and enough people join, we can ask for it to be made into its own Wiki.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Scratch Credits

Hey guys, I just noticed something! On the Scratch Wiki if you scroll all the way to the bottom and click "Credits" it leads to the old credits page. The new credits page is

So yeah...

AghaCool (talk | contribs) 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Once the new skin (the one on the front page) is pushed to the entire website, we're going to port it to the Wiki, and when we do that we'll fix the link.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 16:08, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Is that when the donate link will be fixed?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 19:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


Hey guys, Could you guys possibly give me some feedback on how I'm doing with creating the Spanish Scratch Wiki Home Page and some suggestions? Here are some links , , Thanks!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 17:47, 31 December 2015

I can't understand more than a word of it, so I think you're doing a good job! :P
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 18:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I also added some more links, so you can check those out too!
AghaCool (talk | contribs) 18:30, 31 December 2015
For the one, I suggest that you get another screen shot of Paddle's logo ect after changing things to Spanish...that way the text in the shot will be Spanish. ;)
Amateurradiogeek15 (talk | contribs) 18:26, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
By the way, Scratch Team in Spanish is "Equipo de Scratch" :P--
Fmtfmtfmt2 (talk | contribs) 19:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

The RollEyes Template

When useing Pizza emoji.png, Template:Eggplant, x(, or Meow.png is you hover over the emoji it does not link to anything, due to the coding that states [[File:Pizza emoji.png|link=]]. Pizza works just fine, but RollEyes seems to link to the image (like this Forum Smiley - Rolleyes.png), even though the coding is exactly the same. Does anyone know why?
Purplebook163's Profile Picture.gifpurplebook163 | Talk | Contribs | Edits 📖 📕 🔖 19:53, 31 December 2015 (UTC)