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So Sci just told me he thinks I ought to take a shot at being an admin. So...
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'''I'd like to be a Wiki admin.''' There, I said it.
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I'd make a good admin because:
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* [[S:CPND#A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All]]
*I edit a lot, and have more edits than Lucario. I have made and rewritten many articles, including [[Squeak Tutorial]], my personal favorite. My grammar and knowledge about Scratch and programming are pretty good.
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*I'd like the shiny new tools like deleting, protecting, editing protected pages, adding to the Wiki editor army, and defending the Wiki from evil, mean-spirited spammers (*gasp*).
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*I'm a responsible Scratcher.
 
*Wiki Admin is a good title to flaunt. :D
 
  
I know I'm making a tall order, and I sincerely understand the responsibility I'm asking for. So thanks, and Scratch On! :)<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 15:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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:I think you would be a great admin. You have made many quality edits and are the non-admin editor with highest edit count.{{User:Bsteward/sig}}15:45, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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::Since you mentioned that i suggested it, everyone knows my take on it. :P
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::Some points i'd like to point out:
 
::*Hardmath edits a lot, and edits more than Lucario.
 
::*He makes all good edits
 
::*He has the highest edit count of a non-admin, which is wrong, being 2500+.
 
::*He (used to, at least) reminds the admins to update the news, which he could do on his own
 
::And, that's it for now. No one can contest that you have a lot going for you. :) <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 15:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 
:I have no doubt that you'd make a great admin and would use the tools well (and that you have more edits that Lucario, but ''come on'', that's easy), but I feel like I need to ask the eternal question that everyone needs to answer: what, specifically, would you with do with the tools that are available to administrators to help the wiki that isn't already being done by the current admins who are pretty much on all the time due to their differing time-zones? <scratchsig>Veggieman001</scratchsig> 17:05, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 
::Well, the deleting is a simple tool which to be honest I wish I had just because I need it once in a while. Protecting pages is one which I think I would mainly use on templates which are used a lot, like [[Template:User]], and being able to edit protected pages is nice because I've been here for so long I know once in a while we do need to change a template for some reason. Also, as Sci stated above, I'd help out with the news and I'm pretty sure I'd keep it more informative than the current newsboard, because I'm very active on both the main site and forums. Also, I think the newsboard has deteriorated into just updates about curators and SDSs, and the occasional new mod. Having been on the Wiki for 436 days as of today, and not messing anything up that bad, you guys ''know'' you can trust me, don't you?<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 00:25, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::For me, even how you've been outside the wiki, as well as inside, should be sufficient reason to be sysop.  I hope you get it. :D.  This also makes me think that maybe sci or one of the other sysops should become a bureaucrat. <scratchsig>SJRCS_011</scratchsig> 00:30, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Thanks SJRCS_011 and Bsteward, I appreciate it. And yeah, Sci and Veggie would make great bureaucrats, too; I assumed they were when I first joined. :)<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 00:54, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::IMO it doesn't really matter if you don't have a million cases in which you'd use those admin tools, because apart from creating archives and updating the front page there isn't much where they're needed. I barely ever delete things, like the only times I use those powers is to archive the community portal :P <scratchsig>Chrischb</scratchsig> 08:49, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I don't see any problems with you as an admin :P Being a sysop isn't really a big deal anyway. <scratchsig>Jonathanpb</scratchsig> 08:55, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::{{quote2||However it should be noted that actions of a sysop user are (almost) entirely reversible, by other sysop users, and so it can be a good idea to dish out these extra permissions to a number of users in order to
 
*spread the workload of day-to-day sysop operations such as blocking vandals and deleting pages.
 
*make things more democratic, and decrease any perception of a single dictator running the community
 
*allow competent users the power they need to make progress with wiki refactoring.
 
*reward valued contributors/community members|[[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]}}
 
:::I think that once an user had contributed greatly to wiki, and has shown him/herself to be trustworthy editor, he/she should be promoted to sysop/admin. {{User:Bsteward/sig}}14:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Good find, Bsteward. (Hardmath is a boy btw.)
 
::::Also, let me remind Luc how i became a sysop, without even requesting... {{quote2|Lucario|He has been a very active editor recently, with over 2000 edits, and certainly has many uses for the administrative tools. Keep up the good work.|[[Special:Log/rights|User rights log]]}}
 
::::2000 edits at that time was more than Lucario, a bill Hardmath fits today. Very active editor? Check. Uses for the tools? Check. Reasons against? ._. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 14:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::::So...?<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 11:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::I still don't see that you've given very good reasons. The first and last are quite irrelevant, you likely wouldn't be able to "add to the Wiki editor army", and there hasn't been any spamming & the only offences ever have been minor-ish vandalism which can still be cleaned up as a regular use. I don't really get why we'd need another admin for the news; we already have the active admins (me, Luc, Sci) and semi-active admins (Chris & Jon) able to do that. Any significant changes to the news require discussion first, anyway, which all of the wiki editors participate in. It just seems like more of a security risk especially on such a small wiki like this. <scratchsig>Veggieman001</scratchsig> 03:46, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::You forgot WeirdF :P <scratchsig>Chrischb</scratchsig> 05:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::I don't consider him active. <scratchsig>Veggieman001</scratchsig> 14:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Alright, I admit you don't need another sysop; you're right. But do I really need to prove I need the tools to be granted them? Isn't that kind of like asking users to prove they ''need'' to edit the Wiki to give them accounts? According to the quote Bsteward posted (BTW thanks, I appreciate it), sysop-ship seems to be both a reward and a responsibility. I'm not asking for just the title, but I just want to point out it's not entirely about just having a good use for the tools. Again, as a couple of sysops have posted above, they don't even use their powers that much. Finally, I don't see it as a "security risk", because I consider myself a responsible person on the whole. :/
 
  
:::::Looking up at the discussion, it seems like Sci, SJRCS_011, BSteward are for, Chrischb and Jonathanpb are neutral ''(edit: Janathanpb is for)'' and you seem to be against. I think I'll ask Lucario to give the final verdict, since WeirdF is (I believe) inactive.
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:::::P.S. I'm not going to be really upset if you don't promote me, since I honestly didn't consider it until Sci encouraged me. Maybe I'll be a bit disappointed, but that's it. :)<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 11:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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===== Rules =====
::::::Hardmath deserves the powers more than inactive or semi-active admins though... it's kinda unfair how some admins aren't very active and get to be a sysop while Hardmath is active and doesn't get it :/ (I'm for Hardmath being a sysop btw, count me in :P) <scratchsig>Jonathanpb</scratchsig> 00:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
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:::::::Thanks Jonathanpb. Lucario? We haven't head from you yet...<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 11:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
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'''Reasons for Hardmath123 being admin:'''
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*My Wikipediholic score is 1480. {{-}} Hardmath123
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*I edit a lot, and have more edits than Lucario. I have made and rewritten many articles, including [[Squeak Tutorial]], my personal favorite. My grammar and knowledge about Scratch and programming are pretty good. {{-}} Hardmath123
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*I'd like the shiny new tools like deleting, protecting, editing protected pages, adding to the Wiki editor army, and defending the Wiki from evil, mean-spirited spammers (*gasp*). {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*I'm a responsible Scratcher. {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*Wiki Admin is a good title to flaunt. :D {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*You have made many quality edits and are the non-admin editor with highest edit count. {{-}} Bsteward
 
*Hardmath edits a lot, and edits more than Lucario. {{-}} Scimonster
 
*He makes all good edits {{-}} Scimonster
 
*He has the highest edit count of a non-admin, which is wrong, being 2500+. {{-}} Scimonster
 
*He (used to, at least) reminds the admins to update the news, which he could do on his own {{-}} Scimonster
 
*Well, the deleting is a simple tool which to be honest I wish I had just because I need it once in a while. {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*Protecting pages is one which I think I would mainly use on templates which are used a lot {{-}} Hardmath123
 
* Having been on the Wiki for 436 days as of today, and not messing anything up that bad, you guys know you can trust me {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*'''actions of a sysop user are (almost) entirely reversible, by other sysop users, and so it can be a good idea to dish out these extra permissions to a number of users''' {{-}} [[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]
 
*spread the workload of day-to-day sysop operations such as blocking vandals and deleting pages. {{-}} [[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]
 
*make things more democratic, and decrease any perception of a single dictator running the community {{-}} [[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]
 
*allow competent users the power they need to make progress with wiki refactoring. {{-}} [[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]
 
*'''reward valued contributors/community members''' {{-}} [[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]
 
*2000 edits at that time was more than Lucario, a bill Hardmath fits today. {{-}} Scimonster
 
*Hardmath deserves the powers more than inactive or semi-active admins though... it's kinda unfair how some admins aren't very active and get to be a sysop while Hardmath is active and doesn't get it :/ {{-}} Jonathanpb
 
'''Reasons against Hardmath123 being admin:'''
 
*IMO it doesn't really matter if you don't have a million cases in which you'd use those admin tools, because apart from creating archives and updating the front page there isn't much where they're needed. {{-}} Chrischb
 
*I still don't see that you've given very good reasons. {{-}} Veggieman001
 
*Any significant changes to the news require discussion first, anyway, which all of the wiki editors participate in. {{-}} Veggieman001
 
'''My Comment:''' A discussion is not required to update for an SDS or Scratch Curator
 
*It just seems like more of a security risk especially on such a small wiki like this. {{-}} Veggieman001
 
'''My Comment:''' actions of a sysop user are (almost) entirely reversible, by other sysop users
 
  
Although this list is a little biased, it seems that there are a lot more reasons for Hardmath to be an admin then him to not be one. I would like to see what a bureaucrat thinks about this.{{User:Bsteward/sig}}15:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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:Wow, i see you did some nice work there, Bsteward. Luc said he needed JSO to have a discussion about whether to do it. I haven't seen JSO on Scratch in a while though. :S <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 15:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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:I was responding to when Hardmath said "Also, I think the newsboard has deteriorated into just updates about curators and SDSs, and the occasional new mod." Those are the only reasons we update the news now, so if we were to change it to another format with more things then it would require discussion. <scratchsig>Veggieman001</scratchsig> 23:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:Wow, that really seems to put stuff into perspective. Thanks a lot, Bsteward, if I do become admin you're over 40% responsible. :) I suppose we just wait until Lucario and JSO think it over.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 00:43, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:Lol, that bit where I said "IMO it doesn't really matter if you don't have a million cases in which you'd use those admin tools" I meant that as a reason for hardmath to be admin :P When posting that I was saying that I thought he should be an admin even if he doesn't need to use the tools a lot xD I guess it could be taken both ways though, but posting this to say I meant it that way <scratchsig>Chrischb</scratchsig> 11:09, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 
  
== Replacing FAQ forum with Wiki FAQ ==
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Here's an idea: What if we moved all of the FAQs from the forums here, and wrote some more of our own? We could add subcategories to [[:Category:FAQ]], and also add an FAQ section to the main TOC. It would be sort of like the tutorials, i guess. We could also have a template, as proposed [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 19#The FAQ Thing.|here]]. What do people think of it? <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 14:57, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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:I like the idea of replacing the FAQ forum with a wiki page. But we'd need to figure out the workflow before implementing.
 
:For example, right now someone makes a thread, and then someone says: "Hey, that's useful! It should be in the FAQ." If mods agree, it gets moved to the FAQ forum.
 
:In then new model, somebody makes a thread, someone says it should be FAQ'ed and then __?___ happens to contact / suggest it to wikian FAQ maintainers. If they agree, then they write an entry that summarizes the useful info. Should mods edit the first post on the thread and say "We added info from this thread to the Wiki FAQ (with a link.)? (I dunno myself if this would be a good plan - what do you guys think / recommend?) Also, what should be done about all the threads currently in the FAQ forum? (Btw, I made a minor edit to title for clarity)<scratchsig>Lightnin</scratchsig> 15:05, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::It could be a good idea. It would be extremely hard. But, we could do it. @Lightin, I like your idea of editing the first post and saying that the question is now in the Scratch Wiki. But then, what is the point of the FAQ forum.<scratchsig>Joletole</scratchsig> 15:35, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::It's a cool idea! Here's how I think we should implement it: we first make a WikiProject kind of thing where all FAQs currently at the forums are rewritten on the Wiki. Then we get an admin to archive the FAQ forums for us, and instead make a sticky under "Questions About Scratch" called "FAQs" which links to the Wiki page and lets users suggest FAQ topics. About the Wiki page itself, my personal opinion is that we use a question-answer format, so we list all the questions at the top, and they link to anchors lower down on the page with the answers. (Of course, the answers would have a link to top).<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 15:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I don't think it should be single page; that would get way too crowded. 74+ pages would work much better IMO.
 
::::@Lightnin: Due to the fact that both Lucario and i are both mods and active wiki editors, there should be a good chance of it getting caught in a report. And if they have a wiki account, they can of course just make it by themselves.
 
::::A problem is, how do we know it's authentic? In the forum setup, if you see a post by an admin, you expect that to be the true answer. In a wiki though, where contributors aren't shown on the page, though, what do we do? <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 16:02, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::You could protect the answers...
 
:::::P.S. Are you getting server errors on the main site? 503's in particular?<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 16:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::But then it couldn't be improved. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 16:15, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::Or, you could say who answered the question. Like you could say "Lucario621 answered this question." That way, people know that it came from someone they trust. (sorry Luc that I used your name, you just the first mod that popped into my head). Oh, and yeah, I am getting a lot of server errors.<scratchsig>Joletole</scratchsig> 16:17, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::Isn't that the point? If a mod posts an answer on the forums, nobody can change it either, but those are usually ''good in the first place''. You can't have it both ways, allowing users to improve an answer ''and'' preventing them from changing it so that its accuracy is compromised. I would personally vote for the prior, because the Wiki should be as free as possible, and we always have rollbacks.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 16:28, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::Or, we could ''quote'' the Scratch Team in answers rather than framing them ourselves.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 16:29, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::If the answer is posted on the original forum topic, so then it could easily be referenced. But if we write other FAQs that weren't first brought up there, we wouldn't have that. (Though how could they be ''F''AQs?) <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 07:41, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::First off, sorry if I don't get the indentation / Wiki etiquette right (and feel free to correct me.:) Seems like a lot of issues have been raised above - I'll try to address them all and suggest what seems best to me. Hardmath123 - I like your plan to move FAQ thread content to the wiki, after which we archive it and put a FAQ sticky in Questions about Scratch. Q/A format seems good.  We really like the way Vimeo did their FAQ, so we're thinking of making a main site FAQ page that's very similar. http://vimeo.com/help/faq/general_vimeo_questions . It might be useful if the wiki uses a similar format. Maybe we'll index the wiki FAQ page so it can appear on the main 2.0 site support page search engine results. A single FAQ page with anchors for each entry seems best to me (like Vimeo's model). re: edit privs. I'm for the open wikipedia model. If someone is making bad edits, revert and then teach them to do better / ask them to stop. re: Quoting ST answers. That's not necessary. You guys are wiki editors! Make your own, acknowledge mistakes and criticism, and then refine your answers.  <scratchsig>Lightnin</scratchsig> 20:03, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::When replying, you add one extra indentation to show the reply.
 
:::::My problem with that is the page length. We have 74 FAQ topics on the forums, some of which are pretty long (such as the moderator summaries). To put that all on one page just seems like too much to me. Besides, i'm always looking for ways to boost our article count ({{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} right now). xP
 
:::::The entire wiki should be indexed by the Scratch search engine!
 
:::::I agree with keeping it open. The only protected pages are really the main page, pages transcluded there, and some high-risk templates ({{t|!}} {{t|*}} {{t|-}} etc).
 
:::::About quoting ST answers; some of it is stuff that really should come from an administrator though. Such as stuff about the administration policies (''What does the Scratch Team do when they find something inappropriate?'' for example). <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 12:17, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::Interesting (about the indenting). How do you deal with the mega-indent problem? (We didn't like it on main site with comments, which is one reason we only do single indents in 2.0.)
 
::::::Re: page length. I would suggest making much more concise FAQ entries, a paragraph or two at most. I suspect most of the FAQ threads, when mined for the important facts, contain a few sentences of useful info. To me, one of the main benefits of this project would be to provide concise versions of the info on the threads. If people want more detail after reading the FAQ entry, you can link them back to the thread. (And yes, we are thinking of indexiing the whole wiki in the search, btw. So if you want to do separate pages, that could work too, although searchers will be less likely to stumble upon other entries that might be relevant to their search.)
 
::::::Re: stuff coming from admins. Just ask if you have questions, and feel free to quote as I've seen you often do. But I don't think it's always necessary to use direct quotes. <scratchsig>Lightnin</scratchsig> 14:38, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::So i have a compromising idea. We can make a few pages with several FAQs in a category. If there is one that should be elaborated, we can summarize it on the page, and add a {{t|main}} link to it.
 
:::::::And we rarely actually use quotes; just summarize them and reference. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 17:03, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::@Lightnin: I made a mockup FAQ over [[User:Hardmath123/Sandbox/faqtest|here]]. It's based on the Vimeo one you linked with chenges to match the Wiki theme. The #linking works, too (if you want mouse-hover-darkening, an admin needs to edit some protected CSS). Enjoy! :)<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 14:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Cool mockup! A minor technical improvement i might suggest: instead of using the "#"s, use a standard level 4 header, with the underline added. That way it will appear in a TOC for linking. Maybe you could also include a small thing at the bottom, floated right, ''link directly to this section'' with the hash code. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 14:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Good idea, I'll get right on it. :D<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 14:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Update: I right-aligned it and gave it a tooltip.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 14:56, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Lookin' good to me! Maybe you should summarize a couple threads worth of stuff, and ask everyone for feedback on how it's looking? <scratchsig>Lightnin</scratchsig> 15:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Great! I'll summarize a few (they do need summarization) and see how it looks. :D<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 13:36, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::: Cool mockup Hardmath123 - it looks like you put a lot of work into it! Your example looks concise and well written. However, in my opinion, we don't really need the specially designed boxes, font colors, font sizes, and gradients. I think it would be much simpler (for both reading and editing) if we followed the general style of the wiki, as used in [[S:FAQ]]. It might not be as special or fancy, but people might be linking to the FAQ and referencing it often as a resource, and over-complicating the formatting isn't necessary. The only difference from S:FAQ I would make though, is a more customized table of contents, to make it easier to switch between categories of questions - like the one used on Vimeo. I think it's best to keep things simple with a larger project like this, rather than making things too advanced. :) <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 04:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::... but... that sounds so ''boring''! :P
 
  
:::::Seriously, though, a bit of formatting shouldn't hurt. It's a simple template, and I intentionally kept formatting to a minimum. I agree about a better table of contents. If someone lets me into the Wiki's CSS (not inline styles, that's a technical limitation) I can set up a cool little all-CSS menu which uses the hover pseudo-protocol to detect where the mouse is. Alternatively, we could just have a simple little collapsible navbox or Wikitable with links to all the questions, organized by category.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 09:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::::Sorry, but i happen to agree with Lucario on this one. A styled TOC only would be good. The mockup you made though is a little too bright. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 18:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
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:::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* The TOC is ''not'' done yet. Did you really expect me to have red and blue as a color scheme? Ugh!
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:::::::About the question boxes, I'm still not convinced. Having a simple template like that makes it easier to add/edit entries (there is practically no formatting code, just a simple template). It makes anchoring easier, and we can put in a "back to top" link quite easily in all the boxes, which I personally think it important in any FAQ list. Having a clickable link title which links  to that question's anchor (like what you see on each forum post's timestamp) makes linking to questions really easy, all you need to do is right-click the title and copy. Also, the gradient-box looks very Scratchy, doesn't it? I thought that was a rather cool looking bit of formatting. I suppose I could remove the box and just have the header+text, but that seems a bit bland, don't you think? I mean, compare [this http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Support/Scratch_FAQ] to mine.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 05:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::::::There are only two questions now. a) Do we use 1 big page with everything, or a few shorter pages with general categories. b) What happens to the current FAQs in [[:Category:FAQ]]?
 
::::::::a) I like several short pages. b) Some of them could stay, such as [[How Do I Get My Projects to Become Popular?]] and [[Which Forum Does My Post Go In?]], but [[Is There a File Size Limit for a Project?]] doesn't seem quite significant enough with these. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 17:31, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:Resuscitated discussion. I vote for one long page, as FAQs traditionally are. It seems unethical to intentionally bump up our article count.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 13:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::I removed it from the archive so that we won't have duplicate archives.
 
::So you're going for traditionalism? That's boring. It's also a very long page. The wiki used to give a warning if a page was longer than a certain amount of bytes, saying that some people could have trouble with it. If we took, even summarizing, the 74 FAQs from the forums, and the others from the [http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Support/Scratch_FAQ official FAQ page] (which is 42.5 KB), how long would it be? It would be difficult for people who have the technical abilities to find the right part to edit... And i like the growing article count. If we're doing it legitimately, i think it's fine. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig>
 
:::Fine, how about we make a new page for each ''category'', but not each FAQ? (see my TOC/mockup for what I mean)<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 15:03, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::P.S. This discussion is getting huge... is there some way to shrink the top? Are we allowed to make a subheading in the middle to make editing easier?<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 15:04, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:: I personally think that the FAQ page should be organized as Hardmath123 suggested, with one page for each category. It seems like the most practical solution for the number of FAQ questions we will probably have. The article count on the wiki is irrelevant to this decision. <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 04:13, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Oh, i didn't mean a page for each FAQ; i eventually agreed that we didn't need that. I meant a page for each category, like you guys think. Sorry for the misunderstanding. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 07:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::''Sub''page, yes.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 10:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't really love subpages. ''Scratch Program FAQ'', ''Scratch Forums FAQ'', etc sounds better to me. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 10:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::Subpages should be fine. After all, I don't think these FAQ pages should appear when the "Random Page" button is clicked (except for the one with the table of contents). <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 22:07, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::How does this look (formatting-wise) so far? [[User:Hardmath123/Sandbox/faqtest]]<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 10:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Subpages appear in random page. And why not?
 
:::@Hardmath: Looking good. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 12:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 
Hey - I have an idea! So, everyone is saying that the FAQ page would be too hard to fit onto one page, so why not fit it onto multiple pages. Like so: On the first page, the name of it would be Frequently Asked Questions (Page 1). Then, 10 questions would go on that page. And on the bottom of that page, there will be a link say: "Page 2>" Which will link to a page called Frequently Asked Questions (Page 2), then on that page would be ten questions. And on the bottom of the page would be two links, one say "<Page 1" Which leads to page 1, and another saying "Page 3>." Probably all the stickys would be on Page 1, and all the old FAQ that is in the back of the FAQ forum would be on the last page. (Sorry for writing so much, I just tried to add as much detail as posible without giving a full essay :P). Tell me what you think of this idea. <scratchsig>Joletole</scratchsig> 19:01, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 
:That's pretty similar to what we were thinking, except we were going to organize by category. :) <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 19:09, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 
: I brought this discussion back from the archive, since I still think it's quite relevant. :) <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 19:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 
::"Bump" :/ This seems to have died out...<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 10:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::You're right... What say we do it next week? Someone can create a WikiProject about it, that summarizes what we'll do, then next week we go to it. (I chose next week because i'm not available for all this work this week, and i wouldn't like to miss this! <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 10:57, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:Let's not rush things too much scimonster. There's still a lot of things we have to decide upon before we can start moving stuff to the FAQ.
 
:*How will everything be formatted? I think the system we decided upon is to have one central page with a table of contents, and that page would have subpages that contain the questions and answers. The answers should probably be between one sentence and three (small) paragraphs long. Does this seem reasonable?
 
:*What categories of questions will we contain? As there will be two FAQS in Scratch 2.0 (one on the main website managed by the Scratch Team, and one managed by the wiki), we want to make sure they do not cover the same topics. We can probably work on brainstorming a list soon.
 
:If we can answer those questions soon, then we can (probably) start working on the actual FAQ. <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 18:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::It had just been sitting here for a couple months...
 
::@1: yes. @2: Maybe we should duplicate, some at least? If they are directly related to the categories. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 09:02, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 
  
== Possible News Event ==
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[[/Logging server faults|See dedicated subpage]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
  
The SDS Curator system just moved to a 4-month rotational system (along with permanent curators), and two new curators were added (JustAnotherFace and angelica101). Is this newsworthy enough for a spot on the main page? <scratchsig>Technoboy10</scratchsig> 12:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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== Tinkercad Codeblocks ==
:I never heard anything about this until just now. Who are the permanents?
 
:I think it's OK, but i want someone else's opinion first. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 12:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::It's all of us SDS Curators who were active before the rotations started. We get to train the regular DS curators before they officially start.  So, ATM, it's you, JJROCKER, stevetheipad, and me. <scratchsig>Technoboy10</scratchsig> 12:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Just one thing: Do i really get counted as active? That's generous. Also, all mods have SDS permissions, so do i still need to be counted? (And you removed poopo from the list. Did he, the first SDS curator that i know of, retire?) <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 12:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Yep, as of now you do. I haven't seen sparks active in a long while, and I think I only saw pokemongardevoir once in the time I've been a curator, let alone poopo or lilacfuzz101. <scratchsig>Technoboy10</scratchsig> 12:35, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
  
: I'm not sure if this is newsworthy (yet), because I don't see where this has been mentioned on the main Scratch Website. After all, the Scratch Team's info page about curators [http://info.scratch.mit.edu/SDS_Curators here] hasn't changed at all - and there's no announcement topic about it. If there's any posts about this by the ST or Curator team though, it would definitely help. :) <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 20:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
::Well, there's this post about it... xP
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<scratchsig>LiamSapp123</scratchsig> 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
::I asked on the "SDS curator discussion board" (aka http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/Lightnin/2133983), and Lightnin was explaining to me how it'll work. I just asked when this was/will be implemented, and now i'm waiting for an answer. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 08:05, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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:Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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::Maybe we should have one about Blockly <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::I agree that we should make one on Blockly. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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::::{{not done|Further discussion needed}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
  
== Template:Wiki Standards ==
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==Scratch program image==
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{{not done}} <br />
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The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
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<scratchsig> Mohie </scratchsig>
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:Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
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:Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.{{unsigned|12944qwerty}}
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::He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in [[Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents]] needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
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:::And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.
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<scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  
I think this is a very useful template to put on articles. It clearly indicates that an article needs improvement, with the reason being for poor formatting and wiki markup - which is usually quite easy to fix. However I think there are some ways this template can be improved.
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== Scratch Wiki Adventure ==
*Change the color - I personally think that since this template is very similar to {{t|stub}} and {{t|expand}} in the sense that it's encouraging users to improve upon articles, it should colored blue, like the others.
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{{not done}}
*Categorize the articles its used on - I think it would be great since if there are new wiki editors who are wondering where they can help on the wiki, it would be a useful place to start. Although clicking "Random Page" and looking for problems can suffice for some, improving a bare-bones article to a greater version is very rewarding, and would motivate newcomers to edit more - especially as its a simpler task. For example, [http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/index.php?title=The_Bit_Company&oldid=47004 this article] could use some editing help - and a new member could easily see "Oh, I can add bullet points to the list of members... and add an extra sentence to this section", or if they're more experienced, "This could use the {{t|collaboration}} template!"
 
What are your thoughts on these ideas? Please leave them as a response below. :) <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 03:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:Another big reason i add it to articles is if it's written like a form post, not an encyclopedic wiki article, such as <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/index.php?title=Make_Better_Cartoons&oldid=47208 Make Better Cartoons]</span>. (Maybe you should add plainlinks to your "external link"? :))
 
:As for the color, i debated it, but decided that it also a "bad page" template and should be more eyecatching. Stub and expand usually mean it's a article that has some content, generally written OK, but could use more. At least, that's how i see it.
 
:I suppose categorizing should be done. I think i made the template at a time when we were debating auto-categorization.
 
:Oh, and since you pointed it out, i might as well go clean up [[The Bit Company]]. ;P <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 08:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::I added the bullets for you. :)
 
::Anyway, I agree with Lucario here. Not matching Wiki standards is more of a "do something here" than a "serious problem here". It should tell you to fix it, not inform you it needs to be, if that makes an ounce of sense.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 11:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Huh?
 
:::Yeah, makes sense. :) <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 11:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 
I changed the template based on what Lucario said.{{User:Bsteward/sig}}
 
  
== New curator ==
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On Wikipedia, there is an option for new Wikians to complete the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Adventure Wikipedia Adventure].  This teaches them skills and covers all the basics of using Wikipedia.  I think it'd be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Adventure of our own to teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki.  This would include editing tips, rules, etiquette, etc.  I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this idea and/or if anyone would like to work with me on creating this.<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 17:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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:<b>+1</b> {{e|:D}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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::I hope you're prepared to put in the amount of work involved, because The Wikipedia Adventure is really involved (I've [[wikipedia:User:Kenny2wiki|done it]] once before) and a lot of stuff has to be created for it to work. I like the idea, but I don't know if anyone here has the follow-through to actually focus on a project like this that could take a week or more to make.
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::If you think you can commit yourself (and furthermore get others to commit themselves) you can make a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]] of it. Good luck!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::Woohoo; we got bureaucratic approval!  I think we can do it (maybe not ''as'' well as the Wikipedia Adventure, but still good).  I'll start thinkin' up some basic ideas to start us off.  If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know on my [[User talk:54329|talk page]]. {{e|:)}}<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::: Isn’t this going to be a duplicate of the  [[Help:Welcome|welcome tutorial]]? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::::No, the Wikipedia Adventure is really involved and more interactive. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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::::::Adding on, when I did it, it felt a lot more like a game/activity than a guidebook.  It allows the user to actually collaborate, talk to people and create/edit a page all in a sandbox setting.  It helped me learn the basics of Wikipedia far more than a guide could (probably because I was really interested in it and getting those shiny badges was nice).<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}}
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{{Scratch Wiki:Scratch Wiki Adventure/project}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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:I can help some tech stuff maybe? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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::I can help too! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:33, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::I want to help too, so should I add myself or should 54329 do it as he's the owner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 01:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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::::In reply to both of you: Thanks for offering to help out!  I'll add both of your names to the list.  For future people that wish to help: feel free to just add your name under the "Assigned" section. <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::::I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at [[User:Bigpuppy/Quests]]. {{e|:)}} It seems like this would be very different than that, though. {{cool|Good idea}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|5}}That's super cool that you made a quests page.  This will be semi-similar.  Feel free to stop by if you have any ideas for it. <small>''wink wink''</small><scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
  
The news needs to be updated. <scratchsig>Coinman</scratchsig> 22:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for notifying us! I've updated the news. :) (Also thanks for updating the Curator article.) <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 04:13, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::Your welcome.<scratchsig>Coinman</scratchsig> 14:23, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 
  
== I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug! ==
 
  
I think we've resolved the [[Disappearing Text Bug]]. It turns out that it's '''not''' actually a bug in the Scratch program, but an issue with [[wikipedia:Windows (system)|the Windows server]], and Ubuntu Linux. Here are some clues:
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== 2.0 Image Updating ==
  
* I never get the bug or a similar issue on Mac OS X, and neither does [[User:Joletole|Joletole]]. :)
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A lot of images here need updating to 3.0. For example, the editor in the TOC, many Scratch Cats, etc. When will this be done? <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 10:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
* A similar issue happened on Word 2003 at BB6, room 110. :O
 
* Some Scratchers got the bug in pre-1.3 versions, such as 1.0.1. :(
 
* It can happen on Linux. :(
 
* One Scratcher got an issue related to disappearing ''images''! :O
 
  
So Scratch 2.0 probably ''won't'' fix/avoid the bug. The bug might just be less effective. <scratchsig>3sal2</scratchsig> 16:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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:I've asked an admin to update the TOC image.  Not sure about the other ones. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 16:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
:It will fix the bug, because the issue is with Windows/Linux ''and'' Squeak. This issue does not happen with Flash. <scratchsig>Veggieman001</scratchsig> 16:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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::There's not a set time when this will be done. It will be done gradually. Any time you see an image that needs updated, feel free to update it (but be sure to compress, crop, etc. the file).{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
: Although I'm glad to see this new info that can possibly be added to the Disappearing Text Bug article, this is a post that best fits in the forums. The community portal is for discussing wiki questions/comments/issues, and not general Scratch topics. <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 03:11, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
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== Why won’t this table work? ==
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{{not done}}
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Link: [[User:Waffle_Iron_Studios/ScratchNet shop page]]<scratchsig>Waffle_Iron_Studios</scratchsig> 21:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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: I think it's because the table does not have any line-breaks. See [[Help:Tables|this]]. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
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== Suggestion: Mention that the Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in German ==
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Currently, the links under the 'Legal' category do not are not mentioned that they are in German. I suggest that the footer mentions that the content under the Legal category are in German.
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Without mentioning that, some people might be confused that they are in German, and not English. They also [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 105#Privacy Policy Article|cannot be translated into English]] without it being inaccurate. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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:Why would they be German?<scratchsig>OurPrincess</scratchsig> 16:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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::The Wiki servers are located in Germany and therefore follow the rules/regulations of Germany. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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:::Would you be amenable to using the [https://example.com external link marker] on them instead? Putting "(German)" on a footer link seems unorthodox...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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::::The servers are German because they are owned by Martin Wollenweber, who lives in Germany.<scratchsig>OurPrincess</scratchsig> 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Maybe the Privacy Policy and the Disclaimers can be individually labelled that they are in German, or is that still 'unorthodox'? They could have 'in German' put in brackets after them. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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::::::I think it's fine the way it is, but it should get translated for other wikis so we know what happens to our data.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 17:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}}
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Did you read the OP? They can't be translated accurately.
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Having a notice at the top of the actual pages saying something similar to what I say on my userpage (the "many other wikis link here" thing), ideally translated into everything, would also be fine for me - I'm only opposed to changing the footer.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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== Scratch Wiki YT Channel ==
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Hi everyone! I wanted to put a little feeler out there to see who was interested in participating/creating content for a possible Scratch Wiki YT Channel. We would publish wiki-like content within YT's video format. We could then link to this content from within the Wiki. You could for example create a Scratch tutorial, run-through a certain block or feature, or discuss a recent community venture you participated in. If y'all are interested in seeing this idea come to fruition, please comment to express your interest and volunteer yourself for content creation. Thanks! <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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:I think that this would compete with the [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal#Scratch Wiki Adventure|Scratch Wiki Adventure]] though... {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 15:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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::I don't really see much benefit in it. Why would we need this? We already have Wiki Wednesday.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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:::Well we would be able to produce varied content aside from Wiki Wednesday. People have also suggested tutorials for S:WELCOME to me privately. We'd be modeling it in some regards to Wikipedia's YT Channel. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 16:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
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::::I'm interested! But... What do you mean by "volunteer yourself for content creation"? Is there a specific page to apply? {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}}
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:::::I'm interested too {{-}} I'd like to help make a few videos. I already have a YouTube channel but I can't share it because of my real name and face reveal. I'm just ten years, but I don't think that will affect anything as I enjoy talking on-camera and a lot of people tell me I have a talent for vlogging / gaming (not to brag though). I also have a Scratch tutorial series, so I already have some experience with it.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Suggestion: Add a "sandbox" option in the user pull-down on the header ==
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{{not done}}
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My suggestion is above {{-}} that's pretty much it. When you click on your username, you would see your username, "Talk," "Preferences," "Watchlist," "Contributions," "Log out," and "Sandbox" thrown somewhere in there. "Sandbox" would direct you to your personal sandbox, not the public sandbox. If the user hasn't created their sandbox, it would direct them to the page to create it.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Sounds like a cool feature. +1! {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 17:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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::I think it's a good idea, but I think we can create a disambiguation page rather than direct to the personal sandbox. However, +1!<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 18:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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:::Wikipedia has this, but this is actually harder to implement than you might think - the skin does not hardcode the user dropdown links, they are generated by MediaWiki itself. Adding the sandbox link would require a hook somewhere in LocalSettings.php and that might mess up some rhythms. There could be a link in the For Editors box, though! [[Special:MyPage/Sandbox]] is a handy link. What say y'all?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 18:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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::::Ah, I see. I think that's a good alternative then! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Good idea! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 18:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|5}}
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+1!{{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Ken, any update on this? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies ==
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When Wiki Wednesdays are mentioned on the Scratch News on the homepage, some users' replies contain spam such as blockspam.
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I suggest that at the end of each Wiki Wednesday initial post, it should say that when replying, users should not spam. It could also give the definition of what is considered spam (such as offtopic blocks, gibberish, emoji testing, etc.), so users will less likely be confused about what spam is (other than the food product of the same name), that spam could be reported, and that block testing and project advertisements go in the Forum blocks testing topic and the Show and Tell forum respectively. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 09:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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:It's a good idea - and I agree with you, but I think that's not a exact solution manner. As an example, lots of announcements and sticky topics (Wiki Forum Community Portal) are getting blockspam; some people, like me, TenType, SausageMcSausage or ST, warn them, but I see a new spam everyday when I check Wiki Forum Community Portal. Also, nobody don't write aggressive posts for warn users; for example, don't write "DON'T MAKE BLOCKSPAM OR SOMEBODY MAY WARN YOU(ME OR ANYBODY ELSE)". I think WW could include a link [[topic:387618|to here.]]{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 11:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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== Discussion Invitation System ==
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{{not done}}
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Hi folks! On the topic of reviving [[S:CPND]], I have another suggestion. My previous suggestion (collapsing discussions) got implemented, but it is a very minor change. As someone who usually updates the featured images, I was thinking about a discussion that I personally would like people to participate in, [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]]. That specific discussion has been going on since August 2018 and it hasn't yet come to a conclusion.
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I think I've come up with something that may help solve the Not Done problem. Well, I didn't exactly come up with it, because I got the idea from Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:WP:Feedback request service|Feedback request service]]. As I understand it, with Wikipedia's Feedback request service, when a discussion needs an outside editor to provide comment, a bot comments on the talk page of someone who has added their name to the list. I'd like to make it clear: '''my suggestion would not require a bot.''' Wikipedia needs stuff like that because it's giant.
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Basically, when a discussion is going stale or needs a few more editors to provide feedback, a proactive editor can comment the Discussion Invitation template (currently at [[User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/Template]]) on a few user talk pages of people who have signed up to be invited to discussions.
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Here are some examples of when this would be useful:
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* For asking editors to participate in a [[S:CP]] or [[S:CPND]] discussion that has gone inactive or that has a deadline
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* For asking editors their opinion on a discussion on the talk page of an article that only a few people are participating in
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I think this will help with more than reviving [[S:CPND]], though {{-}} it will help on ''any'' discussion that isn't getting the attention it deserves.
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I've decided to start this program up in my userspace, though if people like it maybe it can be moved to project space (the Scratch Wiki namespace). The list of people who have signed up is currently at [[User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/List]] (as of writing, only me). If you'd like to sign up, please do!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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:I think this is a great idea! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 19:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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::It could be a good idea, but I'm not sure that it's really matter. As you said before, Wikipedia is a big place and a lot of discussion creators in [[S:CPND]] is inactive/quitted Scratch. Also, I think a lot of the discussions are not necessary. For example, are you think "Secret Compliments" important today? Also, asqwde has been inactive since 8 months.
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::I'm supporting main idea, also it can be helpful for usual stuffs, but also nobody cannot use it for old Not Done topics. Additionally, I suggest another idea; Scratch Wiki could have multiple portals. For example; Scratch Modifications portal, Extensions portal, etc. Maybe not for now, but it could be helpful when discussions are too much.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::Well, I don't think that it matters that some people in [[S:CPND]] are inactive; that doesn't mean their discussions aren't relevant anymore. As for the discussions that you don't think are relevant anymore, like "Secret Compliments," you should discuss that in the appropriate section at [[S:CPND]] and make sure people agree with you. You could get people to add to the discussion on whether they are relevant anymore using the system I suggested {{e|;)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::I just used the system on the talk pages of the two people (other than me) who signed up:
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::::* [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie#Invitation to discussion]]
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::::* [[User talk:Groko13#Invitation to discussion]]
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::::Keep in mind that in the future, people would not message everyone on the list (because hopefully lots of people sign up!), but rather message the number of people that they need.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I'm happy to see people using the system already! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Also, I added {{t|open userpage}} to all of the Discussion Invitation System pages except the template, so feel free to improve any of them!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Oh yes, I remember when I first suggested that. I was thinking about it recently actually - what a coincidence!
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I would like to add my name to the list, however one quick thing: why do we link to our Scratch profiles and not our Wiki profiles, or perhaps our Wiki talk page? Surely linking to our userpage would make a lot more sense, unless there is a specific reasoning for not doing this that I am not understanding.
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In any case, I think this is a fantastic idea. Glad to see it's working already! Thanks for taking this on, bigpuppy. :){{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Where do people link to their Scratch profiles? On the list page, we are using the {{t|user}} template, which adds a link to the user's userpage and talk page. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Wait, nevermind. I saw <code><nowiki>{{users}}</nowiki></code> in the code, and mistook it to be the new <code><nowiki>[[users:]]</nowiki></code> interwiki, which points to their Scratch profile. Whoops!{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 23:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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== When are we planning to implement [[User:jvvg/sandbox|the new Flawed Article]]? ==
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{{not done}}
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Per title.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Maybe you should ask jvvg. Has there been a discussion about it elsewhere? I'm not sure if the article is finished yet.<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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::I think it is done you should ask jvvg he made it  <scratchsig>Godslamb</scratchsig> 14:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
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== More Featured Images! ==
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{{not done}}
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The featured images were just updated, so does anyone have any new suggestions for next time? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Here's two images: [[:File:Transparent_Stamps.png|1]] and [[:File:Gobo_Keychain.jpg|2]]. I don't know if these have been used in the past or not. Maybe we should start keeping a list. Is there any rule against reusing images? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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::If images have the {{t|featured}} template on them, they have been used before. That said, there may have been some times where we forgot to add that template.
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::As for whether there's a rule against re-using images, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing the {{t|featured}} template doesn't support such a case currently.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Okay, thanks! Before I thought that the template was only for WW articles. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 18:03, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Constructiveness in Community Portal - An Idea ==
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Hello there!
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In case you didn't know, I'm a Forum Helper (https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/3688309/) on Scratch, which means I generally help out on the the Scratch discussion forums. One day, I headed over to the Community Portal and it seemed like a sort of "discussion forums" within the Scratch Wiki, and I understand that the concept is different, but for me it personally seemed that way.
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Anyways, I mostly help around a lot on the Suggestions forum, which, yet again, redirects to the Community Portal since there are a lot of suggestions for the Scratch Wiki here. One difference is though, that the Scratch Team and some Scratchers (like me) enforce the rule of "constructiveness" while making posts, and I'm pretty sure most of you know what that means but I'll just clarify:
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* It means that one does not simply post "Support!", "Good idea!", or "+1!" and explain why they like the suggestion, that they provoke discussion, and look for possible issues instead of continuosly leaning on one side, like "I love this suggestion" or "I hate this suggestion"
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* It means that one does not simply add one sentence to act as if their post is constructive. For example, "Support, because this might be useful for many Wikians!" seems constructive but it isn't really constructive, because they're not stating how it would be useful for many Wikians or why it would be.
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Now, I've been looking around in the CP, and I've been seeing a couple of responses just saying "+1!" or merely "Support!" without provoking any further discussion and merely showing your satisfaction. So I thought, maybe, we could enforce the constructive rule on the CP as well. Especially because the ideas here much more mature and complex, and not like Scratch where it's just new blocks or random new features.
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I do agree that many people are already following this rule, but maybe just enforce it more? I do think it'll be incredibly helpful for the type of suggestions being given here.
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<small>wow... that's... long</small>
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<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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:While I understand what you're saying, I don't think it would be necessary to enforce constructiveness here. The discussion forums and Community Portal are two fundamentally different things. The Scratch Team has an extremely large userbase. Thus, there are many possible people contributing to discussions, and also many people that decisions will affect. It makes sense for there to be an expectation that people are constructive. However, as of writing, there are 72 [[Special:ActiveUsers|active users]] on the Scratch Wiki. This is much smaller than the userbase on Scratch. And yes, you might argue that our "userbase" is not just our editors but also our readers; yes, but our editors are the ones who are supposed to make the decisions here.
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:Anyway, on the topic of having fewer active users on the wiki, it helps to see if someone ''supports'' your idea. And it matters, too. If multiple people like your idea, it probably has a better chance of being successful here. This is in stark contrast to the Suggestions Forum, where that is simply not true. This is why simply saying "support" or "no support" on that forum is not helpful, nor constructive.
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:In summary, yes, I think it would be ''helpful'' for people to provide a reason that they like or dislike an idea (perhaps we could recommend it), but I don't think it's necessary to ''enforce'' it. I don't think that it's fair to compare the convention ''here'' to the convention ''on the Suggestions Forum,'' because the CP is fundamentally different from the Suggestions Forum and the discussion forums in general. That said, if someone ''dislikes'' an idea, I think it is more necessary to provide reasoning than if they like it, as they are disagreeing with the reasoning provided by the OP, and thus need to provide their own reasoning.
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:So, to end this off, I agree that we should recommend it, but I disagree that we should ''enforce'' it.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 14:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Good idea! I suppose that could work too.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Scratchblocks Plugin not Working ==
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On any wiki page I go to that has the Scratchblock Plugin, all of the blocks end up half-rendered, except for the text. Are other people seeing this?
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[[File:HalfRenderedBlockTextError.png]]
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<scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 13:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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: This does not happen to me - the bug might only happen to the device or computer you are using the Scratch Wiki on. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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:: This might not be of much help but have you tried realoding the page or freeing space on your computer/device sometimes when the tablet I use  is out of space/storage everything malnfuctions <scratchsig>Godslamb</scratchsig> 15:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::What device/OS/browser are you using?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::If you are using a phone it is probably because the screen is too small so the wiki malfunctions. If you are on another device then I think it is because your storage is full, so in that case you need to free up space.<scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 17:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I'm using Brave Browser on a Macbook Pro, with about 70GB left on the hard drive.  I have tried both reloading and clearing the cache, to no avail. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 22:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Hmm, could you try using a different browser, like Firefox or Chrome? That might be the issue. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded ==
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When custom welcome messages on new Scratch Wikians' talk pages are not transcluded from a templat (when the entire contents, including the formatting is copied and pasted onto the talk page), it could lengthen the talk page.
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I suggest that there should be a rule (unless one already exists) requiring all custom welcome messages (this excludes the default Scratch Wiki welcome message) to be transcluded as a template (from the creator's userspace, obviously). {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:[[#Standardized signatures]] Transcluded pages are loading slower, also the default welcome message is too big for transclusion.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Archive 106 ==
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First, sorry for not appearing on this Wiki! I'm kinda busy on jawiki and other stuff. Anyway it's the 106th archive time!
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Things to archive:
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{{collapse top|the list of Done topics}}
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* [[S:CPND#New page for mall simulators]]
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* [[S:CPSYS]] - '''do not forget this time, please'''
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* [[#Welcome templates]]
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* [[#New Featured Images]]
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* [[#Giving Credit on the Wiki]]
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* [[#What happened to link previews?]]
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* [[#Moving Plural page titles to singular]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! January 30th, 2020]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! February 27th, 2020]]
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* [[#New Featured Images]]
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* [[#Sonic the Hedgehog]]
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* [[#Turbo Mode]]
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* [[#How to make a quiz]]
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* [[#WikiMonitor is hurting me]]
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* [[#Scratch Links]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! April 30th, 2020]]
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* [[#Can someone please help]]
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* [[#Revamping and Reviving S:CPND]]
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* [[#Featured Image Suggestions?]]
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* [[#How to find user rank?]]
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* [[#Problems about mobile devices]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! May 28th, 2020]]
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* [[#New Featured Images suggestions]]
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* [[#Merge Request]]
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* [[#How do I move this page?]]
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* [[#scratchblocks is updated!]]
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* [[#Memories for Wiki Wednesday 50]]
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* [[#Scratch MIDI notes]]
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* [[#Should we delete never used bot accounts?]]
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* [[#READ! Scratch is down!]]
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* [[#Sandbox]]
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{{collapse bottom}}
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Can these be archived as well?
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{{collapse top|can they be archived?}}
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* [[#2.0 Image Updating]]
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* [[#Why won’t this table work?]] - although labeled as not done, OP is inactive
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* [[#Advertising article]]
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* [[#Lancer PFP trend]]
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* [[#Scratch + the Project to Find the Fundamental Theory of Physics by Stephen Wolfram]]
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* [[#Why is the interwiki link for the Test-Scratch Wiki the language code for Twi?]]
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* [[#What are...]]
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* [[#sooo idk if this is off-topic]]
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* [[#Please help me]]
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* [[#Privacy policy in English?]]
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* [[#New Scratch Wiki Logo?]]
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* [[#Are "Public Sandboxes" Allowed?]]
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* [[#Problems with Categorizing a Page]]
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* [[#How do you upload an image?]]
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* [[#Elections]]
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* [[#April Foooooools...?]]
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* [[#How do I use templates?]]
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* [[#How to add an image on my user space?]]
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* [[#250000th edit on the Wiki!]]
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* [[#How to create a sidebar?]]
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* [[#How to make a April Fools userpage?]]
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* [[#Bad word filter]]
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* [[#About linking other Wikis...]]
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* [[#Blocked Accounts]]
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* [[#Where's the CSS cheatsheet?]]
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* [[#New Wikian]]
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* [[#Are there rules on this Wiki about sockpuppeting similar to the ones on Wikipedia?]]
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* [[#How Does The topic: Namespace Work?]]
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{{collapse bottom}}
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{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Yay! {{e|10mil}} Out of your "can these be archived as well" topics, here are the ones that I think can be archived:
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{{collapse top|title=I think these can be archived}}
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:* [[#Why is the interwiki link for the Test-Scratch Wiki the language code for Twi?]]
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:* [[#What are...]]
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:* [[#sooo idk if this is off-topic]]
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:* [[#Please help me]]
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:* [[#Privacy policy in English?]]
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:* [[#Are "Public Sandboxes" Allowed?]]
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:* [[#Problems with Categorizing a Page]]
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:* [[#How do you upload an image?]]
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:* [[#Elections]]
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:* [[#April Foooooools...?]]
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:* [[#How do I use templates?]]
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:* [[#How to add an image on my user space?]]
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:* [[#250000th edit on the Wiki!]]
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:* [[#How to make a April Fools userpage?]]
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:* [[#Bad word filter]]
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:* [[#About linking other Wikis...]]
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:* [[#Blocked Accounts]]
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:* [[#New Wikian]]
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:* [[#Are there rules on this Wiki about sockpuppeting similar to the ones on Wikipedia?]]
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:* [[#How Does The topic: Namespace Work?]]
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{{collapse bottom}}
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:If you disagree with any of those, please say so.
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:That leaves these ones that I'm not too sure about:
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{{collapse top|title=I'm not too sure about these ones}}
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:* [[#2.0 Image Updating]]
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:* [[#Why won’t this table work?]]
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:* [[#Advertising article]]
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:* [[#Lancer PFP trend]]
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:* [[#Scratch + the Project to Find the Fundamental Theory of Physics by Stephen Wolfram]]
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:* [[#New Scratch Wiki Logo?]]
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:* [[#How to create a sidebar?]]
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:* [[#Where's the CSS cheatsheet?]]
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{{collapse bottom}}
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:<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::I archived the finished and inactive discussions.
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::<small>maybe I archived so fast</small>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:33, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Ahmetlii, I think you archived some that shouldn't have been archived... such as: "Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded" (edit conflict with Ahmetlii)<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Also, I think the admins (like Ken) are supposed to do the actual archiving?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::<small><small>oops</small></small>I came Jammum's topic to here again.<small>also edit conflict</small>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::There are some others too; I'm currently looking through the archive.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent}}
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Should we do a bot for archiving? Yes, it's pretty {{done}} without a bot; but also I saw that I archived everything, nearly.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Archived [[S:CPSYS]]}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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== [[S:CPND]] ==
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{{done}}
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Can someone please help me find the problem at [[S:CPND]]? Everything is being collapsed by one of the topics... {{e|:/}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I'm not sure why {{t|collapse bottom}} is not working at the bottom of [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Embedding of Scratch Projects]]... <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Looking in the page history, before [[Special:Diff/249733|this edit]], everything seems normal. However, the problem is, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that edit, and I don't remember it being like this ''since'' that edit. Sometimes I just really dislike wiki formatting. {{e|:/}} Thanks for trying to help fix it.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Very strange, is the signature messing the page up somehow? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::I tried removing all instances of Ahmetlii's custom signature in [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox|my sandbox]], and it kind of fixed the problem, but really just moved it to a different topic. {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::To everyone {{-}} free to edit my sandbox to try to find out what the problem is. Rules against editing posts don't apply there, so '''please don't copy and paste from there into [[S:CPND]].''' This is purely to ''identify'' the problem.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::So, something I did in [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox]] fixed the problem. I removed a lot of people's custom signatures. The problem was fixed when I removed this code, I think:
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::::::<syntaxhighlight><span title="{{Special:EditCount/Eribetra}} edits since 26/1/2017" style="color:#0000ff;font-family:Segoe UI, sans-serif;display:inline">{{#ifeq:|nobr||<br/>}}[[File:Eribetra%27s_Profile_Picture.gif|20px|link=User:Eribetra]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Eribetra}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border:1px solid black"><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span></span></span> 21:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)</syntaxhighlight>
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::::::This is the code of {{user|Eribetra|name}}'s custom signature {{-}} not sure why it wasn't transcluded.
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::::::The problem is, when I tried to remove ''just'' that code, it didn't fix the problem.
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::::::So I fixed the problem in my sandbox, now we just need to isolate what I did to fix it. {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Alright, I know for sure that there is something in [[User:Ahmetlii/sig]] that is causing trouble. Look at [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 3]], then look at its source code.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Alright, I think I've fixed the issue!! {{e|10mil}}
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:I think there were two things causing this:
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:# Something with the formatting of the "custom signatures" section. I don't know what, but if you read that discussion, Ken has tried to fix it as well.
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:# Something in Ahmetlii's custom signature.
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:I fixed the problem by:
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:# Moving the "custom signatures" section to its own subpage, [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done/custom signatures]].
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:# Reverting Ahmetlii's custom signature to a previous version. I think it's okay that I edited userspace because the custom signature was adversely affecting other pages, though please correct me if I'm wrong about that.
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:<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::{{e|10mil}} Good work! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,156edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Done.
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,156edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,156edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

No Never Done

See dedicated subpage
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Tinkercad Codeblocks

Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
LiamSapp123 (talk | contribs) 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Maybe we should have one about Blockly
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I agree that we should make one on Blockly.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
No Further discussion needed
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Scratch program image

No Not done
The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
Mohie (talk | contribs)

Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.
-unsigned comment by 12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this?
TenType (talk | contribs) 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.


Mohie (talk | contribs) 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Adventure

No Not done

On Wikipedia, there is an option for new Wikians to complete the Wikipedia Adventure. This teaches them skills and covers all the basics of using Wikipedia. I think it'd be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Adventure of our own to teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki. This would include editing tips, rules, etiquette, etc. I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this idea and/or if anyone would like to work with me on creating this.
54329 (talk | contribs) 17:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

+1 :D
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
I hope you're prepared to put in the amount of work involved, because The Wikipedia Adventure is really involved (I've done it once before) and a lot of stuff has to be created for it to work. I like the idea, but I don't know if anyone here has the follow-through to actually focus on a project like this that could take a week or more to make.
If you think you can commit yourself (and furthermore get others to commit themselves) you can make a Scratch Wiki Project of it. Good luck!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Woohoo; we got bureaucratic approval! I think we can do it (maybe not as well as the Wikipedia Adventure, but still good). I'll start thinkin' up some basic ideas to start us off. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know on my talk page. :)
54329 (talk | contribs) 05:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Isn’t this going to be a duplicate of the welcome tutorial?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,169 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 06:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
No, the Wikipedia Adventure is really involved and more interactive.
TenType (talk | contribs) 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Adding on, when I did it, it felt a lot more like a game/activity than a guidebook. It allows the user to actually collaborate, talk to people and create/edit a page all in a sandbox setting. It helped me learn the basics of Wikipedia far more than a guide could (probably because I was really interested in it and getting those shiny badges was nice).
54329 (talk | contribs) 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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SWP 003 - Scratch Wiki Adventure
DescriptionStatusOwnerStartedLinks
Create the Scratch Wiki Adventure "game" to help teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki in a fun, interactive setting. Creating files for interactive tour...
  • Owner: 54329
  • Assigned:
    • TenType
    • 12944qwerty
    • Apple502j
    • Scratch-Coding
    • Jammum
    • Dominic305
    • JJBullet
    • Kenny2scratch
    • Nambaseking01
    • GrahamSH
    • ahmetlii
11/21/2019Project results
Project page
Project discussion


Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I can help some tech stuff maybe?
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,156edit 17:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
I can help too!
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:33, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
I want to help too, so should I add myself or should 54329 do it as he's the owner?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  01:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
In reply to both of you: Thanks for offering to help out! I'll add both of your names to the list. For future people that wish to help: feel free to just add your name under the "Assigned" section.
54329 (talk | contribs) 05:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at User:Bigpuppy/Quests. :) It seems like this would be very different than that, though. Cool-cat-emoji.png Good idea!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────That's super cool that you made a quests page. This will be semi-similar. Feel free to stop by if you have any ideas for it. wink wink
54329 (talk | contribs) 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


2.0 Image Updating

A lot of images here need updating to 3.0. For example, the editor in the TOC, many Scratch Cats, etc. When will this be done?
Scramaso (talk | contribs) 10:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I've asked an admin to update the TOC image. Not sure about the other ones.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 16:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
There's not a set time when this will be done. It will be done gradually. Any time you see an image that needs updated, feel free to update it (but be sure to compress, crop, etc. the file).
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
01:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Why won’t this table work?

No Not done

Link: User:Waffle_Iron_Studios/ScratchNet shop page
Waffle_Iron_Studios (talk | contribs) 21:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I think it's because the table does not have any line-breaks. See this.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,169 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Mention that the Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in German

Currently, the links under the 'Legal' category do not are not mentioned that they are in German. I suggest that the footer mentions that the content under the Legal category are in German.

Without mentioning that, some people might be confused that they are in German, and not English. They also cannot be translated into English without it being inaccurate.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,169 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 13:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Why would they be German?
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 16:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
The Wiki servers are located in Germany and therefore follow the rules/regulations of Germany.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Would you be amenable to using the external link marker on them instead? Putting "(German)" on a footer link seems unorthodox...
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
The servers are German because they are owned by Martin Wollenweber, who lives in Germany.
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Maybe the Privacy Policy and the Disclaimers can be individually labelled that they are in German, or is that still 'unorthodox'? They could have 'in German' put in brackets after them.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,169 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 13:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I think it's fine the way it is, but it should get translated for other wikis so we know what happens to our data.
-- Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,421)  Scratch  Directory 
17:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Did you read the OP? They can't be translated accurately.

Having a notice at the top of the actual pages saying something similar to what I say on my userpage (the "many other wikis link here" thing), ideally translated into everything, would also be fine for me - I'm only opposed to changing the footer.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki YT Channel

Hi everyone! I wanted to put a little feeler out there to see who was interested in participating/creating content for a possible Scratch Wiki YT Channel. We would publish wiki-like content within YT's video format. We could then link to this content from within the Wiki. You could for example create a Scratch tutorial, run-through a certain block or feature, or discuss a recent community venture you participated in. If y'all are interested in seeing this idea come to fruition, please comment to express your interest and volunteer yourself for content creation. Thanks!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I think that this would compete with the Scratch Wiki Adventure though...
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  15:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I don't really see much benefit in it. Why would we need this? We already have Wiki Wednesday.
-- Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,421)  Scratch  Directory 
15:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Well we would be able to produce varied content aside from Wiki Wednesday. People have also suggested tutorials for S:WELCOME to me privately. We'd be modeling it in some regards to Wikipedia's YT Channel.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 16:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm interested! But... What do you mean by "volunteer yourself for content creation"? Is there a specific page to apply?
Dilek's Wiki Signature Picture.pngDilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page
I'm interested too — I'd like to help make a few videos. I already have a YouTube channel but I can't share it because of my real name and face reveal. I'm just ten years, but I don't think that will affect anything as I enjoy talking on-camera and a lot of people tell me I have a talent for vlogging / gaming (not to brag though). I also have a Scratch tutorial series, so I already have some experience with it.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Add a "sandbox" option in the user pull-down on the header

No Not done

My suggestion is above — that's pretty much it. When you click on your username, you would see your username, "Talk," "Preferences," "Watchlist," "Contributions," "Log out," and "Sandbox" thrown somewhere in there. "Sandbox" would direct you to your personal sandbox, not the public sandbox. If the user hasn't created their sandbox, it would direct them to the page to create it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like a cool feature. +1!
Dilek's Wiki Signature Picture.pngDilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page 17:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
I think it's a good idea, but I think we can create a disambiguation page rather than direct to the personal sandbox. However, +1!
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 18:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia has this, but this is actually harder to implement than you might think - the skin does not hardcode the user dropdown links, they are generated by MediaWiki itself. Adding the sandbox link would require a hook somewhere in LocalSettings.php and that might mess up some rhythms. There could be a link in the For Editors box, though! Special:MyPage/Sandbox is a handy link. What say y'all?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
18:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I think that's a good alternative then! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Good idea!
TenType (talk | contribs) 18:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── +1!:)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Ken, any update on this? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies

When Wiki Wednesdays are mentioned on the Scratch News on the homepage, some users' replies contain spam such as blockspam.

I suggest that at the end of each Wiki Wednesday initial post, it should say that when replying, users should not spam. It could also give the definition of what is considered spam (such as offtopic blocks, gibberish, emoji testing, etc.), so users will less likely be confused about what spam is (other than the food product of the same name), that spam could be reported, and that block testing and project advertisements go in the Forum blocks testing topic and the Show and Tell forum respectively.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,169 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 09:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

It's a good idea - and I agree with you, but I think that's not a exact solution manner. As an example, lots of announcements and sticky topics (Wiki Forum Community Portal) are getting blockspam; some people, like me, TenType, SausageMcSausage or ST, warn them, but I see a new spam everyday when I check Wiki Forum Community Portal. Also, nobody don't write aggressive posts for warn users; for example, don't write "DON'T MAKE BLOCKSPAM OR SOMEBODY MAY WARN YOU(ME OR ANYBODY ELSE)". I think WW could include a link to here.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
11:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


Discussion Invitation System

No Not done

Hi folks! On the topic of reviving S:CPND, I have another suggestion. My previous suggestion (collapsing discussions) got implemented, but it is a very minor change. As someone who usually updates the featured images, I was thinking about a discussion that I personally would like people to participate in, Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions. That specific discussion has been going on since August 2018 and it hasn't yet come to a conclusion.

I think I've come up with something that may help solve the Not Done problem. Well, I didn't exactly come up with it, because I got the idea from Wikipedia's Feedback request service. As I understand it, with Wikipedia's Feedback request service, when a discussion needs an outside editor to provide comment, a bot comments on the talk page of someone who has added their name to the list. I'd like to make it clear: my suggestion would not require a bot. Wikipedia needs stuff like that because it's giant.

Basically, when a discussion is going stale or needs a few more editors to provide feedback, a proactive editor can comment the Discussion Invitation template (currently at User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/Template) on a few user talk pages of people who have signed up to be invited to discussions.

Here are some examples of when this would be useful:

  • For asking editors to participate in a S:CP or S:CPND discussion that has gone inactive or that has a deadline
  • For asking editors their opinion on a discussion on the talk page of an article that only a few people are participating in

I think this will help with more than reviving S:CPND, though — it will help on any discussion that isn't getting the attention it deserves.

I've decided to start this program up in my userspace, though if people like it maybe it can be moved to project space (the Scratch Wiki namespace). The list of people who have signed up is currently at User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/List (as of writing, only me). If you'd like to sign up, please do!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 19:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
It could be a good idea, but I'm not sure that it's really matter. As you said before, Wikipedia is a big place and a lot of discussion creators in S:CPND is inactive/quitted Scratch. Also, I think a lot of the discussions are not necessary. For example, are you think "Secret Compliments" important today? Also, asqwde has been inactive since 8 months.
I'm supporting main idea, also it can be helpful for usual stuffs, but also nobody cannot use it for old Not Done topics. Additionally, I suggest another idea; Scratch Wiki could have multiple portals. For example; Scratch Modifications portal, Extensions portal, etc. Maybe not for now, but it could be helpful when discussions are too much.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, I don't think that it matters that some people in S:CPND are inactive; that doesn't mean their discussions aren't relevant anymore. As for the discussions that you don't think are relevant anymore, like "Secret Compliments," you should discuss that in the appropriate section at S:CPND and make sure people agree with you. You could get people to add to the discussion on whether they are relevant anymore using the system I suggested ;)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
I just used the system on the talk pages of the two people (other than me) who signed up:
Keep in mind that in the future, people would not message everyone on the list (because hopefully lots of people sign up!), but rather message the number of people that they need.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to see people using the system already! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Also, I added {{open userpage}} to all of the Discussion Invitation System pages except the template, so feel free to improve any of them!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Oh yes, I remember when I first suggested that. I was thinking about it recently actually - what a coincidence!

I would like to add my name to the list, however one quick thing: why do we link to our Scratch profiles and not our Wiki profiles, or perhaps our Wiki talk page? Surely linking to our userpage would make a lot more sense, unless there is a specific reasoning for not doing this that I am not understanding.

In any case, I think this is a fantastic idea. Glad to see it's working already! Thanks for taking this on, bigpuppy. :)
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 15:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Where do people link to their Scratch profiles? On the list page, we are using the {{user}} template, which adds a link to the user's userpage and talk page. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Wait, nevermind. I saw {{users}} in the code, and mistook it to be the new [[users:]] interwiki, which points to their Scratch profile. Whoops!
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 23:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

When are we planning to implement the new Flawed Article?

No Not done

Per title.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you should ask jvvg. Has there been a discussion about it elsewhere? I'm not sure if the article is finished yet.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
I think it is done you should ask jvvg he made it
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 14:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

More Featured Images!

No Not done

The featured images were just updated, so does anyone have any new suggestions for next time? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 03:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Here's two images: 1 and 2. I don't know if these have been used in the past or not. Maybe we should start keeping a list. Is there any rule against reusing images?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
If images have the {{featured}} template on them, they have been used before. That said, there may have been some times where we forgot to add that template.
As for whether there's a rule against re-using images, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing the {{featured}} template doesn't support such a case currently.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! Before I thought that the template was only for WW articles.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 18:03, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Constructiveness in Community Portal - An Idea

Hello there!

In case you didn't know, I'm a Forum Helper (https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/3688309/) on Scratch, which means I generally help out on the the Scratch discussion forums. One day, I headed over to the Community Portal and it seemed like a sort of "discussion forums" within the Scratch Wiki, and I understand that the concept is different, but for me it personally seemed that way.

Anyways, I mostly help around a lot on the Suggestions forum, which, yet again, redirects to the Community Portal since there are a lot of suggestions for the Scratch Wiki here. One difference is though, that the Scratch Team and some Scratchers (like me) enforce the rule of "constructiveness" while making posts, and I'm pretty sure most of you know what that means but I'll just clarify:

  • It means that one does not simply post "Support!", "Good idea!", or "+1!" and explain why they like the suggestion, that they provoke discussion, and look for possible issues instead of continuosly leaning on one side, like "I love this suggestion" or "I hate this suggestion"
  • It means that one does not simply add one sentence to act as if their post is constructive. For example, "Support, because this might be useful for many Wikians!" seems constructive but it isn't really constructive, because they're not stating how it would be useful for many Wikians or why it would be.

Now, I've been looking around in the CP, and I've been seeing a couple of responses just saying "+1!" or merely "Support!" without provoking any further discussion and merely showing your satisfaction. So I thought, maybe, we could enforce the constructive rule on the CP as well. Especially because the ideas here much more mature and complex, and not like Scratch where it's just new blocks or random new features.

I do agree that many people are already following this rule, but maybe just enforce it more? I do think it'll be incredibly helpful for the type of suggestions being given here.

wow... that's... long
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

While I understand what you're saying, I don't think it would be necessary to enforce constructiveness here. The discussion forums and Community Portal are two fundamentally different things. The Scratch Team has an extremely large userbase. Thus, there are many possible people contributing to discussions, and also many people that decisions will affect. It makes sense for there to be an expectation that people are constructive. However, as of writing, there are 72 active users on the Scratch Wiki. This is much smaller than the userbase on Scratch. And yes, you might argue that our "userbase" is not just our editors but also our readers; yes, but our editors are the ones who are supposed to make the decisions here.
Anyway, on the topic of having fewer active users on the wiki, it helps to see if someone supports your idea. And it matters, too. If multiple people like your idea, it probably has a better chance of being successful here. This is in stark contrast to the Suggestions Forum, where that is simply not true. This is why simply saying "support" or "no support" on that forum is not helpful, nor constructive.
In summary, yes, I think it would be helpful for people to provide a reason that they like or dislike an idea (perhaps we could recommend it), but I don't think it's necessary to enforce it. I don't think that it's fair to compare the convention here to the convention on the Suggestions Forum, because the CP is fundamentally different from the Suggestions Forum and the discussion forums in general. That said, if someone dislikes an idea, I think it is more necessary to provide reasoning than if they like it, as they are disagreeing with the reasoning provided by the OP, and thus need to provide their own reasoning.
So, to end this off, I agree that we should recommend it, but I disagree that we should enforce it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Good idea! I suppose that could work too.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Scratchblocks Plugin not Working

On any wiki page I go to that has the Scratchblock Plugin, all of the blocks end up half-rendered, except for the text. Are other people seeing this?

HalfRenderedBlockTextError.png
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

This does not happen to me - the bug might only happen to the device or computer you are using the Scratch Wiki on.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,169 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 14:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
This might not be of much help but have you tried realoding the page or freeing space on your computer/device sometimes when the tablet I use is out of space/storage everything malnfuctions
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 15:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
What device/OS/browser are you using?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
If you are using a phone it is probably because the screen is too small so the wiki malfunctions. If you are on another device then I think it is because your storage is full, so in that case you need to free up space.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm using Brave Browser on a Macbook Pro, with about 70GB left on the hard drive. I have tried both reloading and clearing the cache, to no avail.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 22:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, could you try using a different browser, like Firefox or Chrome? That might be the issue. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 23:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded

When custom welcome messages on new Scratch Wikians' talk pages are not transcluded from a templat (when the entire contents, including the formatting is copied and pasted onto the talk page), it could lengthen the talk page.

I suggest that there should be a rule (unless one already exists) requiring all custom welcome messages (this excludes the default Scratch Wiki welcome message) to be transcluded as a template (from the creator's userspace, obviously).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,169 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 16:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

#Standardized signatures Transcluded pages are loading slower, also the default welcome message is too big for transclusion.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Archive 106

First, sorry for not appearing on this Wiki! I'm kinda busy on jawiki and other stuff. Anyway it's the 106th archive time!

Things to archive:

Can these be archived as well?


Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,156edit 17:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Yay! 10milemoji.png Out of your "can these be archived as well" topics, here are the ones that I think can be archived:
If you disagree with any of those, please say so.
That leaves these ones that I'm not too sure about:

Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I archived the finished and inactive discussions.
maybe I archived so fast
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:33, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Ahmetlii, I think you archived some that shouldn't have been archived... such as: "Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded" (edit conflict with Ahmetlii)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Also, I think the admins (like Ken) are supposed to do the actual archiving?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
oopsI came Jammum's topic to here again.also edit conflict
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
There are some others too; I'm currently looking through the archive.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Should we do a bot for archiving? Yes, it's pretty Yes Done without a bot; but also I saw that I archived everything, nearly.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes Archived S:CPSYS
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

S:CPND

Yes Done

Can someone please help me find the problem at S:CPND? Everything is being collapsed by one of the topics... :/
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure why {{collapse bottom}} is not working at the bottom of Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Embedding of Scratch Projects...
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Looking in the page history, before this edit, everything seems normal. However, the problem is, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that edit, and I don't remember it being like this since that edit. Sometimes I just really dislike wiki formatting. :/ Thanks for trying to help fix it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Very strange, is the signature messing the page up somehow?
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I tried removing all instances of Ahmetlii's custom signature in my sandbox, and it kind of fixed the problem, but really just moved it to a different topic. :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
To everyone — free to edit my sandbox to try to find out what the problem is. Rules against editing posts don't apply there, so please don't copy and paste from there into S:CPND. This is purely to identify the problem.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
So, something I did in User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox fixed the problem. I removed a lot of people's custom signatures. The problem was fixed when I removed this code, I think:
<span title="{{Special:EditCount/Eribetra}} edits since 26/1/2017" style="color:#0000ff;font-family:Segoe UI, sans-serif;display:inline">{{#ifeq:|nobr||<br/>}}[[File:Eribetra%27s_Profile_Picture.gif|20px|link=User:Eribetra]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Eribetra}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border:1px solid black"><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span></span></span> 21:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
This is the code of Eribetra's custom signature — not sure why it wasn't transcluded.
The problem is, when I tried to remove just that code, it didn't fix the problem.
So I fixed the problem in my sandbox, now we just need to isolate what I did to fix it. :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Alright, I know for sure that there is something in User:Ahmetlii/sig that is causing trouble. Look at User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 3, then look at its source code.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I think I've fixed the issue!! 10milemoji.png
I think there were two things causing this:
  1. Something with the formatting of the "custom signatures" section. I don't know what, but if you read that discussion, Ken has tried to fix it as well.
  2. Something in Ahmetlii's custom signature.
I fixed the problem by:
  1. Moving the "custom signatures" section to its own subpage, Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done/custom signatures.
  2. Reverting Ahmetlii's custom signature to a previous version. I think it's okay that I edited userspace because the custom signature was adversely affecting other pages, though please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
10milemoji.png Good work!
TenType (talk | contribs) 21:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)