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So Sci just told me he thinks I ought to take a shot at being an admin. So...
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'''I'd like to be a Wiki admin.''' There, I said it.
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I'd make a good admin because:
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*I edit a lot, and have more edits than Lucario. I have made and rewritten many articles, including [[Squeak Tutorial]], my personal favorite. My grammar and knowledge about Scratch and programming are pretty good.
 
*I'd like the shiny new tools like deleting, protecting, editing protected pages, adding to the Wiki editor army, and defending the Wiki from evil, mean-spirited spammers (*gasp*).
 
*I'm a responsible Scratcher.
 
*Wiki Admin is a good title to flaunt. :D
 
  
I know I'm making a tall order, and I sincerely understand the responsibility I'm asking for. So thanks, and Scratch On! :)<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 15:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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:I think you would be a great admin. You have made many quality edits and are the non-admin editor with highest edit count.{{User:Bsteward/sig}}15:45, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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::Since you mentioned that i suggested it, everyone knows my take on it. :P
 
::Some points i'd like to point out:
 
::*Hardmath edits a lot, and edits more than Lucario.
 
::*He makes all good edits
 
::*He has the highest edit count of a non-admin, which is wrong, being 2500+.
 
::*He (used to, at least) reminds the admins to update the news, which he could do on his own
 
::And, that's it for now. No one can contest that you have a lot going for you. :) <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 15:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 
:I have no doubt that you'd make a great admin and would use the tools well (and that you have more edits that Lucario, but ''come on'', that's easy), but I feel like I need to ask the eternal question that everyone needs to answer: what, specifically, would you with do with the tools that are available to administrators to help the wiki that isn't already being done by the current admins who are pretty much on all the time due to their differing time-zones? <scratchsig>Veggieman001</scratchsig> 17:05, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 
::Well, the deleting is a simple tool which to be honest I wish I had just because I need it once in a while. Protecting pages is one which I think I would mainly use on templates which are used a lot, like [[Template:User]], and being able to edit protected pages is nice because I've been here for so long I know once in a while we do need to change a template for some reason. Also, as Sci stated above, I'd help out with the news and I'm pretty sure I'd keep it more informative than the current newsboard, because I'm very active on both the main site and forums. Also, I think the newsboard has deteriorated into just updates about curators and SDSs, and the occasional new mod. Having been on the Wiki for 436 days as of today, and not messing anything up that bad, you guys ''know'' you can trust me, don't you?<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 00:25, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::For me, even how you've been outside the wiki, as well as inside, should be sufficient reason to be sysop.  I hope you get it. :D.  This also makes me think that maybe sci or one of the other sysops should become a bureaucrat. <scratchsig>SJRCS_011</scratchsig> 00:30, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Thanks SJRCS_011 and Bsteward, I appreciate it. And yeah, Sci and Veggie would make great bureaucrats, too; I assumed they were when I first joined. :)<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 00:54, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::IMO it doesn't really matter if you don't have a million cases in which you'd use those admin tools, because apart from creating archives and updating the front page there isn't much where they're needed. I barely ever delete things, like the only times I use those powers is to archive the community portal :P <scratchsig>Chrischb</scratchsig> 08:49, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I don't see any problems with you as an admin :P Being a sysop isn't really a big deal anyway. <scratchsig>Jonathanpb</scratchsig> 08:55, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::{{quote2||However it should be noted that actions of a sysop user are (almost) entirely reversible, by other sysop users, and so it can be a good idea to dish out these extra permissions to a number of users in order to
 
*spread the workload of day-to-day sysop operations such as blocking vandals and deleting pages.
 
*make things more democratic, and decrease any perception of a single dictator running the community
 
*allow competent users the power they need to make progress with wiki refactoring.
 
*reward valued contributors/community members|[[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]}}
 
:::I think that once an user had contributed greatly to wiki, and has shown him/herself to be trustworthy editor, he/she should be promoted to sysop/admin. {{User:Bsteward/sig}}14:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Good find, Bsteward. (Hardmath is a boy btw.)
 
::::Also, let me remind Luc how i became a sysop, without even requesting... {{quote2|Lucario|He has been a very active editor recently, with over 2000 edits, and certainly has many uses for the administrative tools. Keep up the good work.|[[Special:Log/rights|User rights log]]}}
 
::::2000 edits at that time was more than Lucario, a bill Hardmath fits today. Very active editor? Check. Uses for the tools? Check. Reasons against? ._. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 14:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::::So...?<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 11:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::I still don't see that you've given very good reasons. The first and last are quite irrelevant, you likely wouldn't be able to "add to the Wiki editor army", and there hasn't been any spamming & the only offences ever have been minor-ish vandalism which can still be cleaned up as a regular use. I don't really get why we'd need another admin for the news; we already have the active admins (me, Luc, Sci) and semi-active admins (Chris & Jon) able to do that. Any significant changes to the news require discussion first, anyway, which all of the wiki editors participate in. It just seems like more of a security risk especially on such a small wiki like this. <scratchsig>Veggieman001</scratchsig> 03:46, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::You forgot WeirdF :P <scratchsig>Chrischb</scratchsig> 05:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::I don't consider him active. <scratchsig>Veggieman001</scratchsig> 14:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Alright, I admit you don't need another sysop; you're right. But do I really need to prove I need the tools to be granted them? Isn't that kind of like asking users to prove they ''need'' to edit the Wiki to give them accounts? According to the quote Bsteward posted (BTW thanks, I appreciate it), sysop-ship seems to be both a reward and a responsibility. I'm not asking for just the title, but I just want to point out it's not entirely about just having a good use for the tools. Again, as a couple of sysops have posted above, they don't even use their powers that much. Finally, I don't see it as a "security risk", because I consider myself a responsible person on the whole. :/
 
  
:::::Looking up at the discussion, it seems like Sci, SJRCS_011, BSteward are for, Chrischb and Jonathanpb are neutral ''(edit: Janathanpb is for)'' and you seem to be against. I think I'll ask Lucario to give the final verdict, since WeirdF is (I believe) inactive.
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:::::P.S. I'm not going to be really upset if you don't promote me, since I honestly didn't consider it until Sci encouraged me. Maybe I'll be a bit disappointed, but that's it. :)<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 11:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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==== About Wiki Management ====
::::::Hardmath deserves the powers more than inactive or semi-active admins though... it's kinda unfair how some admins aren't very active and get to be a sysop while Hardmath is active and doesn't get it :/ (I'm for Hardmath being a sysop btw, count me in :P) <scratchsig>Jonathanpb</scratchsig> 00:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
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:::::::Thanks Jonathanpb. Lucario? We haven't head from you yet...<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 11:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
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'''Reasons for Hardmath123 being admin:'''
 
*My Wikipediholic score is 1480. {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*I edit a lot, and have more edits than Lucario. I have made and rewritten many articles, including [[Squeak Tutorial]], my personal favorite. My grammar and knowledge about Scratch and programming are pretty good. {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*I'd like the shiny new tools like deleting, protecting, editing protected pages, adding to the Wiki editor army, and defending the Wiki from evil, mean-spirited spammers (*gasp*). {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*I'm a responsible Scratcher. {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*Wiki Admin is a good title to flaunt. :D {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*You have made many quality edits and are the non-admin editor with highest edit count. {{-}} Bsteward
 
*Hardmath edits a lot, and edits more than Lucario. {{-}} Scimonster
 
*He makes all good edits {{-}} Scimonster
 
*He has the highest edit count of a non-admin, which is wrong, being 2500+. {{-}} Scimonster
 
*He (used to, at least) reminds the admins to update the news, which he could do on his own {{-}} Scimonster
 
*Well, the deleting is a simple tool which to be honest I wish I had just because I need it once in a while. {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*Protecting pages is one which I think I would mainly use on templates which are used a lot {{-}} Hardmath123
 
* Having been on the Wiki for 436 days as of today, and not messing anything up that bad, you guys know you can trust me {{-}} Hardmath123
 
*'''actions of a sysop user are (almost) entirely reversible, by other sysop users, and so it can be a good idea to dish out these extra permissions to a number of users''' {{-}} [[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]
 
*spread the workload of day-to-day sysop operations such as blocking vandals and deleting pages. {{-}} [[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]
 
*make things more democratic, and decrease any perception of a single dictator running the community {{-}} [[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]
 
*allow competent users the power they need to make progress with wiki refactoring. {{-}} [[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]
 
*'''reward valued contributors/community members''' {{-}} [[Help:Assigning permissions#Promoting users to Sysops and Bureaucrats]]
 
*2000 edits at that time was more than Lucario, a bill Hardmath fits today. {{-}} Scimonster
 
*Hardmath deserves the powers more than inactive or semi-active admins though... it's kinda unfair how some admins aren't very active and get to be a sysop while Hardmath is active and doesn't get it :/ {{-}} Jonathanpb
 
'''Reasons against Hardmath123 being admin:'''
 
*IMO it doesn't really matter if you don't have a million cases in which you'd use those admin tools, because apart from creating archives and updating the front page there isn't much where they're needed. {{-}} Chrischb
 
*I still don't see that you've given very good reasons. {{-}} Veggieman001
 
*Any significant changes to the news require discussion first, anyway, which all of the wiki editors participate in. {{-}} Veggieman001
 
'''My Comment:''' A discussion is not required to update for an SDS or Scratch Curator
 
*It just seems like more of a security risk especially on such a small wiki like this. {{-}} Veggieman001
 
'''My Comment:''' actions of a sysop user are (almost) entirely reversible, by other sysop users
 
  
Although this list is a little biased, it seems that there are a lot more reasons for Hardmath to be an admin then him to not be one. I would like to see what a bureaucrat thinks about this.{{User:Bsteward/sig}}15:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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:Wow, i see you did some nice work there, Bsteward. Luc said he needed JSO to have a discussion about whether to do it. I haven't seen JSO on Scratch in a while though. :S <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 15:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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:I was responding to when Hardmath said "Also, I think the newsboard has deteriorated into just updates about curators and SDSs, and the occasional new mod." Those are the only reasons we update the news now, so if we were to change it to another format with more things then it would require discussion. <scratchsig>Veggieman001</scratchsig> 23:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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:Wow, that really seems to put stuff into perspective. Thanks a lot, Bsteward, if I do become admin you're over 40% responsible. :) I suppose we just wait until Lucario and JSO think it over.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 00:43, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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:Lol, that bit where I said "IMO it doesn't really matter if you don't have a million cases in which you'd use those admin tools" I meant that as a reason for hardmath to be admin :P When posting that I was saying that I thought he should be an admin even if he doesn't need to use the tools a lot xD I guess it could be taken both ways though, but posting this to say I meant it that way <scratchsig>Chrischb</scratchsig> 11:09, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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Here's an idea: What if we moved all of the FAQs from the forums here, and wrote some more of our own? We could add subcategories to [[:Category:FAQ]], and also add an FAQ section to the main TOC. It would be sort of like the tutorials, i guess. We could also have a template, as proposed [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 19#The FAQ Thing.|here]]. What do people think of it? <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 14:57, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
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:I like the idea of replacing the FAQ forum with a wiki page. But we'd need to figure out the workflow before implementing.
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:For example, right now someone makes a thread, and then someone says: "Hey, that's useful! It should be in the FAQ." If mods agree, it gets moved to the FAQ forum.
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:In then new model, somebody makes a thread, someone says it should be FAQ'ed and then __?___ happens to contact / suggest it to wikian FAQ maintainers. If they agree, then they write an entry that summarizes the useful info. Should mods edit the first post on the thread and say "We added info from this thread to the Wiki FAQ (with a link.)? (I dunno myself if this would be a good plan - what do you guys think / recommend?) Also, what should be done about all the threads currently in the FAQ forum? (Btw, I made a minor edit to title for clarity)<scratchsig>Lightnin</scratchsig> 15:05, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::It could be a good idea. It would be extremely hard. But, we could do it. @Lightin, I like your idea of editing the first post and saying that the question is now in the Scratch Wiki. But then, what is the point of the FAQ forum.<scratchsig>Joletole</scratchsig> 15:35, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::It's a cool idea! Here's how I think we should implement it: we first make a WikiProject kind of thing where all FAQs currently at the forums are rewritten on the Wiki. Then we get an admin to archive the FAQ forums for us, and instead make a sticky under "Questions About Scratch" called "FAQs" which links to the Wiki page and lets users suggest FAQ topics. About the Wiki page itself, my personal opinion is that we use a question-answer format, so we list all the questions at the top, and they link to anchors lower down on the page with the answers. (Of course, the answers would have a link to top).<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 15:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I don't think it should be single page; that would get way too crowded. 74+ pages would work much better IMO.
 
::::@Lightnin: Due to the fact that both Lucario and i are both mods and active wiki editors, there should be a good chance of it getting caught in a report. And if they have a wiki account, they can of course just make it by themselves.
 
::::A problem is, how do we know it's authentic? In the forum setup, if you see a post by an admin, you expect that to be the true answer. In a wiki though, where contributors aren't shown on the page, though, what do we do? <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 16:02, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::You could protect the answers...
 
:::::P.S. Are you getting server errors on the main site? 503's in particular?<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 16:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::But then it couldn't be improved. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 16:15, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::Or, you could say who answered the question. Like you could say "Lucario621 answered this question." That way, people know that it came from someone they trust. (sorry Luc that I used your name, you just the first mod that popped into my head). Oh, and yeah, I am getting a lot of server errors.<scratchsig>Joletole</scratchsig> 16:17, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::Isn't that the point? If a mod posts an answer on the forums, nobody can change it either, but those are usually ''good in the first place''. You can't have it both ways, allowing users to improve an answer ''and'' preventing them from changing it so that its accuracy is compromised. I would personally vote for the prior, because the Wiki should be as free as possible, and we always have rollbacks.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 16:28, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::Or, we could ''quote'' the Scratch Team in answers rather than framing them ourselves.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 16:29, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::If the answer is posted on the original forum topic, so then it could easily be referenced. But if we write other FAQs that weren't first brought up there, we wouldn't have that. (Though how could they be ''F''AQs?) <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 07:41, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::First off, sorry if I don't get the indentation / Wiki etiquette right (and feel free to correct me.:) Seems like a lot of issues have been raised above - I'll try to address them all and suggest what seems best to me. Hardmath123 - I like your plan to move FAQ thread content to the wiki, after which we archive it and put a FAQ sticky in Questions about Scratch. Q/A format seems good.  We really like the way Vimeo did their FAQ, so we're thinking of making a main site FAQ page that's very similar. http://vimeo.com/help/faq/general_vimeo_questions . It might be useful if the wiki uses a similar format. Maybe we'll index the wiki FAQ page so it can appear on the main 2.0 site support page search engine results. A single FAQ page with anchors for each entry seems best to me (like Vimeo's model). re: edit privs. I'm for the open wikipedia model. If someone is making bad edits, revert and then teach them to do better / ask them to stop. re: Quoting ST answers. That's not necessary. You guys are wiki editors! Make your own, acknowledge mistakes and criticism, and then refine your answers.  <scratchsig>Lightnin</scratchsig> 20:03, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::When replying, you add one extra indentation to show the reply.
 
:::::My problem with that is the page length. We have 74 FAQ topics on the forums, some of which are pretty long (such as the moderator summaries). To put that all on one page just seems like too much to me. Besides, i'm always looking for ways to boost our article count ({{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} right now). xP
 
:::::The entire wiki should be indexed by the Scratch search engine!
 
:::::I agree with keeping it open. The only protected pages are really the main page, pages transcluded there, and some high-risk templates ({{t|!}} {{t|*}} {{t|-}} etc).
 
:::::About quoting ST answers; some of it is stuff that really should come from an administrator though. Such as stuff about the administration policies (''What does the Scratch Team do when they find something inappropriate?'' for example). <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 12:17, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::Interesting (about the indenting). How do you deal with the mega-indent problem? (We didn't like it on main site with comments, which is one reason we only do single indents in 2.0.)
 
::::::Re: page length. I would suggest making much more concise FAQ entries, a paragraph or two at most. I suspect most of the FAQ threads, when mined for the important facts, contain a few sentences of useful info. To me, one of the main benefits of this project would be to provide concise versions of the info on the threads. If people want more detail after reading the FAQ entry, you can link them back to the thread. (And yes, we are thinking of indexiing the whole wiki in the search, btw. So if you want to do separate pages, that could work too, although searchers will be less likely to stumble upon other entries that might be relevant to their search.)
 
::::::Re: stuff coming from admins. Just ask if you have questions, and feel free to quote as I've seen you often do. But I don't think it's always necessary to use direct quotes. <scratchsig>Lightnin</scratchsig> 14:38, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::So i have a compromising idea. We can make a few pages with several FAQs in a category. If there is one that should be elaborated, we can summarize it on the page, and add a {{t|main}} link to it.
 
:::::::And we rarely actually use quotes; just summarize them and reference. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 17:03, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::@Lightnin: I made a mockup FAQ over [[User:Hardmath123/Sandbox/faqtest|here]]. It's based on the Vimeo one you linked with chenges to match the Wiki theme. The #linking works, too (if you want mouse-hover-darkening, an admin needs to edit some protected CSS). Enjoy! :)<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 14:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Cool mockup! A minor technical improvement i might suggest: instead of using the "#"s, use a standard level 4 header, with the underline added. That way it will appear in a TOC for linking. Maybe you could also include a small thing at the bottom, floated right, ''link directly to this section'' with the hash code. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 14:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Good idea, I'll get right on it. :D<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 14:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Update: I right-aligned it and gave it a tooltip.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 14:56, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Lookin' good to me! Maybe you should summarize a couple threads worth of stuff, and ask everyone for feedback on how it's looking? <scratchsig>Lightnin</scratchsig> 15:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Great! I'll summarize a few (they do need summarization) and see how it looks. :D<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 13:36, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::: Cool mockup Hardmath123 - it looks like you put a lot of work into it! Your example looks concise and well written. However, in my opinion, we don't really need the specially designed boxes, font colors, font sizes, and gradients. I think it would be much simpler (for both reading and editing) if we followed the general style of the wiki, as used in [[S:FAQ]]. It might not be as special or fancy, but people might be linking to the FAQ and referencing it often as a resource, and over-complicating the formatting isn't necessary. The only difference from S:FAQ I would make though, is a more customized table of contents, to make it easier to switch between categories of questions - like the one used on Vimeo. I think it's best to keep things simple with a larger project like this, rather than making things too advanced. :) <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 04:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::... but... that sounds so ''boring''! :P
 
  
:::::Seriously, though, a bit of formatting shouldn't hurt. It's a simple template, and I intentionally kept formatting to a minimum. I agree about a better table of contents. If someone lets me into the Wiki's CSS (not inline styles, that's a technical limitation) I can set up a cool little all-CSS menu which uses the hover pseudo-protocol to detect where the mouse is. Alternatively, we could just have a simple little collapsible navbox or Wikitable with links to all the questions, organized by category.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 09:36, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::::Sorry, but i happen to agree with Lucario on this one. A styled TOC only would be good. The mockup you made though is a little too bright. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 18:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* The TOC is ''not'' done yet. Did you really expect me to have red and blue as a color scheme? Ugh!
 
  
:::::::About the question boxes, I'm still not convinced. Having a simple template like that makes it easier to add/edit entries (there is practically no formatting code, just a simple template). It makes anchoring easier, and we can put in a "back to top" link quite easily in all the boxes, which I personally think it important in any FAQ list. Having a clickable link title which links  to that question's anchor (like what you see on each forum post's timestamp) makes linking to questions really easy, all you need to do is right-click the title and copy. Also, the gradient-box looks very Scratchy, doesn't it? I thought that was a rather cool looking bit of formatting. I suppose I could remove the box and just have the header+text, but that seems a bit bland, don't you think? I mean, compare [this http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Support/Scratch_FAQ] to mine.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 05:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::::::Lol. It looks nice now. Lightnin likes it too.
 
::::::::There are only two questions now. a) Do we use 1 big page with everything, or a few shorter pages with general categories. b) What happens to the current FAQs in [[:Category:FAQ]]?
 
::::::::a) I like several short pages. b) Some of them could stay, such as [[How Do I Get My Projects to Become Popular?]] and [[Which Forum Does My Post Go In?]], but [[Is There a File Size Limit for a Project?]] doesn't seem quite significant enough with these. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 17:31, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:Resuscitated discussion. I vote for one long page, as FAQs traditionally are. It seems unethical to intentionally bump up our article count.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 13:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::I removed it from the archive so that we won't have duplicate archives.
 
::So you're going for traditionalism? That's boring. It's also a very long page. The wiki used to give a warning if a page was longer than a certain amount of bytes, saying that some people could have trouble with it. If we took, even summarizing, the 74 FAQs from the forums, and the others from the [http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Support/Scratch_FAQ official FAQ page] (which is 42.5 KB), how long would it be? It would be difficult for people who have the technical abilities to find the right part to edit... And i like the growing article count. If we're doing it legitimately, i think it's fine. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig>
 
:::Fine, how about we make a new page for each ''category'', but not each FAQ? (see my TOC/mockup for what I mean)<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 15:03, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::P.S. This discussion is getting huge... is there some way to shrink the top? Are we allowed to make a subheading in the middle to make editing easier?<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 15:04, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:: I personally think that the FAQ page should be organized as Hardmath123 suggested, with one page for each category. It seems like the most practical solution for the number of FAQ questions we will probably have. The article count on the wiki is irrelevant to this decision. <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 04:13, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Oh, i didn't mean a page for each FAQ; i eventually agreed that we didn't need that. I meant a page for each category, like you guys think. Sorry for the misunderstanding. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 07:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::::''Sub''page, yes.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 10:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't really love subpages. ''Scratch Program FAQ'', ''Scratch Forums FAQ'', etc sounds better to me. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 10:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::Subpages should be fine. After all, I don't think these FAQ pages should appear when the "Random Page" button is clicked (except for the one with the table of contents). <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 22:07, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::How does this look (formatting-wise) so far? [[User:Hardmath123/Sandbox/faqtest]]<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 10:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Subpages appear in random page. And why not?
 
:::@Hardmath: Looking good. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 12:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 
Hey - I have an idea! So, everyone is saying that the FAQ page would be too hard to fit onto one page, so why not fit it onto multiple pages. Like so: On the first page, the name of it would be Frequently Asked Questions (Page 1). Then, 10 questions would go on that page. And on the bottom of that page, there will be a link say: "Page 2>" Which will link to a page called Frequently Asked Questions (Page 2), then on that page would be ten questions. And on the bottom of the page would be two links, one say "<Page 1" Which leads to page 1, and another saying "Page 3>." Probably all the stickys would be on Page 1, and all the old FAQ that is in the back of the FAQ forum would be on the last page. (Sorry for writing so much, I just tried to add as much detail as posible without giving a full essay :P). Tell me what you think of this idea. <scratchsig>Joletole</scratchsig> 19:01, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 
:That's pretty similar to what we were thinking, except we were going to organize by category. :) <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 19:09, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 
: I brought this discussion back from the archive, since I still think it's quite relevant. :) <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 19:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 
::"Bump" :/ This seems to have died out...<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 10:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::You're right... What say we do it next week? Someone can create a WikiProject about it, that summarizes what we'll do, then next week we go to it. (I chose next week because i'm not available for all this work this week, and i wouldn't like to miss this! <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 10:57, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:Let's not rush things too much scimonster. There's still a lot of things we have to decide upon before we can start moving stuff to the FAQ.
 
:*How will everything be formatted? I think the system we decided upon is to have one central page with a table of contents, and that page would have subpages that contain the questions and answers. The answers should probably be between one sentence and three (small) paragraphs long. Does this seem reasonable?
 
:*What categories of questions will we contain? As there will be two FAQS in Scratch 2.0 (one on the main website managed by the Scratch Team, and one managed by the wiki), we want to make sure they do not cover the same topics. We can probably work on brainstorming a list soon.
 
:If we can answer those questions soon, then we can (probably) start working on the actual FAQ. <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 18:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::It had just been sitting here for a couple months...
 
::@1: yes. @2: Maybe we should duplicate, some at least? If they are directly related to the categories. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 09:02, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 
  
== Possible News Event ==
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{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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:(I have edited this topic a little from its original version){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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::Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
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:::Done.
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:::Updated the list as the author.{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
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::::Updated! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  
The SDS Curator system just moved to a 4-month rotational system (along with permanent curators), and two new curators were added (JustAnotherFace and angelica101). Is this newsworthy enough for a spot on the main page? <scratchsig>Technoboy10</scratchsig> 12:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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== Logging server faults ==
:I never heard anything about this until just now. Who are the permanents?
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{{not done}}
:I think it's OK, but i want someone else's opinion first. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 12:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::It's all of us SDS Curators who were active before the rotations started. We get to train the regular DS curators before they officially start.  So, ATM, it's you, JJROCKER, stevetheipad, and me. <scratchsig>Technoboy10</scratchsig> 12:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Just one thing: Do i really get counted as active? That's generous. Also, all mods have SDS permissions, so do i still need to be counted? (And you removed poopo from the list. Did he, the first SDS curator that i know of, retire?) <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 12:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Yep, as of now you do. I haven't seen sparks active in a long while, and I think I only saw pokemongardevoir once in the time I've been a curator, let alone poopo or lilacfuzz101. <scratchsig>Technoboy10</scratchsig> 12:35, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 
  
: I'm not sure if this is newsworthy (yet), because I don't see where this has been mentioned on the main Scratch Website. After all, the Scratch Team's info page about curators [http://info.scratch.mit.edu/SDS_Curators here] hasn't changed at all - and there's no announcement topic about it. If there's any posts about this by the ST or Curator team though, it would definitely help. :) <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 20:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
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Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
::Well, there's this post about it... xP
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::I asked on the "SDS curator discussion board" (aka http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/Lightnin/2133983), and Lightnin was explaining to me how it'll work. I just asked when this was/will be implemented, and now i'm waiting for an answer. <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 08:05, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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| I clicked on random page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties"
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| I was literally attempting to edit this section. When I clicked the "edit" link, it brought me to a page that said:
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== Template:Wiki Standards ==
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Basically the database failed to connect for a while, causing all sorts of obscure errors. Specifically, at times the required "mysql.sock" file was missing. Looking at server configuration, the MySQL server had to restart itself 11 times during this time period.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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| "Service Unavailable Error [...]<br/>503 Service Unavailable Error"<br/>"508 Resource Limit Reached"
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| Trying to enter my talk, kept refreshing until worked, came to CP to log fault. Errors repeated until worked. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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| Fatal exception of type DBQueryError
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| I was tring to go to the Community Portal and the website was taking a while to load and then I got the error. It went away after I refreshed the page. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 15:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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| Trying to go to [[How to Make a Typewriter Effect]]. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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| HTTP error: error
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| Clicked the ''Show preview'' button while editing [[User:TenType/Header]], when it did not preview and received the error. Clicking the button again resolved the issue. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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| 11:00 PM, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
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| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
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| Literally attempted to access en.scratch-wiki.info and a few other pages, when I received this:
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:Could we have a dedicated page to that?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
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::Nah, just here is fine.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
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:::{{not done}} <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 20:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
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::::If it comes to the point of like many bugs, maybe we can make a page so that it is easier to navigate with. <small>(archives)</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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:::::Not too many right now.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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::::::{{not done|Never done!}} Server faults will always come. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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::::::Can we just keep things to UTC for the sake of simplicity?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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It's hard to convert times off the top of one's head - if you really want to know the time in your own timezone, convert it yourself, don't ask the logger to do extra work.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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:Do we not have [[Scratch_Wiki:Known_Bugs|this?]]{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)20:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
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::Known bugs is for the php bugs (mw bugs). This is for the server fault (connection problems).
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::Did you not get notified by ken's siggy warner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::Known Bugs is for bugs that are consistently reproducible (actual bugs); this is for faults that occur, sometimes randomly, that are not reproducible or only happen once (glitches).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
  
I think this is a very useful template to put on articles. It clearly indicates that an article needs improvement, with the reason being for poor formatting and wiki markup - which is usually quite easy to fix. However I think there are some ways this template can be improved.
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== Articles to update for 3.0 ==
*Change the color - I personally think that since this template is very similar to {{t|stub}} and {{t|expand}} in the sense that it's encouraging users to improve upon articles, it should colored blue, like the others.
 
*Categorize the articles its used on - I think it would be great since if there are new wiki editors who are wondering where they can help on the wiki, it would be a useful place to start. Although clicking "Random Page" and looking for problems can suffice for some, improving a bare-bones article to a greater version is very rewarding, and would motivate newcomers to edit more - especially as its a simpler task. For example, [http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/index.php?title=The_Bit_Company&oldid=47004 this article] could use some editing help - and a new member could easily see "Oh, I can add bullet points to the list of members... and add an extra sentence to this section", or if they're more experienced, "This could use the {{t|collaboration}} template!"
 
What are your thoughts on these ideas? Please leave them as a response below. :) <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 03:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:Another big reason i add it to articles is if it's written like a form post, not an encyclopedic wiki article, such as <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/index.php?title=Make_Better_Cartoons&oldid=47208 Make Better Cartoons]</span>. (Maybe you should add plainlinks to your "external link"? :))
 
:As for the color, i debated it, but decided that it also a "bad page" template and should be more eyecatching. Stub and expand usually mean it's a article that has some content, generally written OK, but could use more. At least, that's how i see it.
 
:I suppose categorizing should be done. I think i made the template at a time when we were debating auto-categorization.
 
:Oh, and since you pointed it out, i might as well go clean up [[The Bit Company]]. ;P <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 08:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::I added the bullets for you. :)
 
::Anyway, I agree with Lucario here. Not matching Wiki standards is more of a "do something here" than a "serious problem here". It should tell you to fix it, not inform you it needs to be, if that makes an ounce of sense.<scratchsig>Hardmath123</scratchsig> 11:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Huh?
 
:::Yeah, makes sense. :) <scratchsig>Scimonster</scratchsig> 11:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 
I changed the template based on what Lucario said.{{User:Bsteward/sig}}
 
  
== New curator ==
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{{not done|Won't be done for a long time}}
  
The news needs to be updated. <scratchsig>Coinman</scratchsig> 22:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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Hello everyone, it's already January 2nd for me, so I figure I might as well get the preparations started.
:Thanks for notifying us! I've updated the news. :) (Also thanks for updating the Curator article.) <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 04:13, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 
::Your welcome.<scratchsig>Coinman</scratchsig> 14:23, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 
  
== I've cracked the Disappearing Text Bug! ==
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=== Observations/Edit Guidance ===
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Pages outdated upon 3.0 release are incredibly numerous. In most cases, one or more of the following edits can or should happen:
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* Parts that talk about ''3.0 features'' in ''future tense'' (e.g. "there will be a new paint editor") should be changed to use ''present tense'' (e.g. "there is a new paint editor") or ''past tense'' (e.g. "a new paint editor was introduced")
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* Parts that talk about ''3.0 changes'' in ''future tense'' (e.g. "the editor will be moved to the right side") should be changed to use ''past tense'' (e.g. "the editor was moved to the right side")
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* Parts that mention ''dates'' in ''any tense'' should have their tense ''updated'' (e.g. "the official release will be January 2019" -> "the official release was January 2019")
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* Parts that talk about ''2.0 features'' in ''any tense'' (e.g. "the paint editor has these features") should be changed to use ''past tense'' (e.g. "the paint editor had these features")
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* Parts that talk about ''2.0 changes'' in ''any tense'' (e.g. "the editor was moved to the left") should all be changed to ''past tense'' if they haven't already.
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* Take this opportunity to update things that weren't changed from 1.4 days as well.
  
I think we've resolved the [[Disappearing Text Bug]]. It turns out that it's '''not''' actually a bug in the Scratch program, but an issue with [[wikipedia:Windows (system)|the Windows server]], and Ubuntu Linux. Here are some clues:
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=== Progress ===
  
* I never get the bug or a similar issue on Mac OS X, and neither does [[User:Joletole|Joletole]]. :)
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Here is a list of articles that need to be updated (on their real versions in mainspace) upon the release of 3.0. You can probably already start updating them now. Articles marked with an asterisk (*) have updates available at [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles]]/the article title, but:
* A similar issue happened on Word 2003 at BB6, room 110. :O
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{{warning|do not copy articles directly from their 3.0 versions!}}
* Some Scratchers got the bug in pre-1.3 versions, such as 1.0.1. :(
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Though in most cases the information will be correctly updated, make sure to use your own judgement as to its accuracy.
* It can happen on Linux. :(
 
* One Scratcher got an issue related to disappearing ''images''! :O
 
  
So Scratch 2.0 probably ''won't'' fix/avoid the bug. The bug might just be less effective. <scratchsig>3sal2</scratchsig> 16:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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{{note|Some of the articles listed below need to be created.}}
:It will fix the bug, because the issue is with Windows/Linux ''and'' Squeak. This issue does not happen with Flash. <scratchsig>Veggieman001</scratchsig> 16:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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: Although I'm glad to see this new info that can possibly be added to the Disappearing Text Bug article, this is a post that best fits in the forums. The community portal is for discussing wiki questions/comments/issues, and not general Scratch topics. <scratchsig>Lucario621</scratchsig> 03:11, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
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Feel free to update this list yourself. Add any articles that you discover that need updates; remove articles that have been updated.
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* Blocks
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* Change () Effect by () (sound block)
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* Development of Scratch 3.0
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* Project
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=== Remember to take this opportunity to ''clean up'' articles as well as update them! ===
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==== Fix typography or other writing issues as you come across them ====
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==== Ask for help when you need it ====
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If a page or redirect needs to be deleted or you need some other admin action, leave a message at [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Admin Requests]]. If you don't specifically need admin actions, you can ask anyone you think would know the answer to your question.
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=== Here's to a good 3.0 release! ===
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[[File:Hooray.png]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 05:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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:Oh I thought a bot would do it :P also are we saving old articles, for example Block Plugin(2.0)?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 12:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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::I thought we were moving 2.0 to a different place and 3.0 to where 2.0 used to be. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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:::Removed some articles from the list :)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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::::Should [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Front Page (2.0)]] be updated? It's so similar to [[Front Page]], that it seems redundant to create a new page.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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:::::I noticed that many of the things needed to be changed were the same in 2.0 and 3.0. What should we do? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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:::::[[S:STYLE#no-ext-wikilinks|Please don't externally link to Wiki pages!]] And [[S:STYLE#no-link-underscores|please don't use underscores in links]].
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:::::I'm pretty sure it's the pictures that need updating. Would you mind adding all the files on that page that need updating to the [[#Progress]] list?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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::::::Nothing has changed between 2.0 to 3.0 in Front Page, Messages, Discuss, Profiles. (Maybe more but these are all I've been to). The Project page and project editor are the only ones that have. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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:::::::The front page has changed, they've just been using the 3.0 skin for a while. Notice how the top bar is bright blue there and on project pages but a darker blue in discuss and the profiles as well as studios. Messages have also been at the 3.0 skin for a while. My stuff (and everything in it, like trash) has not been updated either. <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  02:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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::::::::Also I think "Images of stuff in 2.0 should be updated to 3.0." should be included.  {{#ifeq:|nobr|<br/>|}}[[File:VFDan.png|20px|link=User:VFDan]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=VFDan}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border: 2px solid cyan; border-radius:1px 0 0 10px">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;border-radius:0px 10px 1px 0px">{{nbsp}}<span class="plainlinks">{{User:12944qwerty/CPL|link=https://scratch.mit.edu/users/VFDan|text=On Scratch&nbsp;|color:orange;font-weight:bold}}</span></span>  22:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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== List of deleted pages ==
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{{not done}}
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(Brought up here after discussion [[User talk:Jammum#About your Deleted Pages page|here]].)
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So, there are currently four lists of deleted pages on this wiki:
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* [[User:Mathfreak231/Deleted pages recovery|Mathfreak231's]], which is the most comprehensive but is no longer updated in his absence
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* [[User:kenny2scratch/Deleted pages recovery|Mine]], which is a duplicate of Mathfreak's but hopefully more organized
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* [[User:Jammum/Deleted Pages|Jammum's Deleted Pages]], which are more recent than either of the above
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* [[User:Jammum/All Pages That Have Been Deleted|Jammum's All Deleted Pages]], which seems to be more recent and extensive but has the least information (it's only a list of titles)
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I suggest (from jakel181's idea) that these become a single page in projectspace, something like "Scratch Wiki:Deleted Pages". This could be a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]].
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;Advantages
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* More organized
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* One place for all
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* Can be updated by anyone
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;Disadvantages
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:''None I can think of off the top of my head''
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Thoughts? Shall we do it?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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:I think we should! I like the style yours is in, snice it is more oragized, and a bit easier to find pages, so we should base the page off that.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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::+1 :) {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 13:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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::: Just to remind everyone, I have not finished my "All Deleted Pages" page at the time of posting this message. It will be contributed to frequently. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 14:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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::::To Kenny2Scratch: This will be a great idea, as it will make it more accessible to people. If this get made, maybe put it could be put in the "Navigation" box on the side?  <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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::::: I think the page will not be notable enough to go there. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 07:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::::I don't think it goes in the sidebar, it's not that important; however, come to think of it, this is a nice candidate for a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]]. Thinkest you that this is a suitable mission to embark upon?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}I say aye.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 01:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
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:@Kenny2scratch, let's do that!{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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:: Are we going to do this? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::Okay, I just created a page called [[User:TenType/Deleted Files]], was scrolling through the Community Portal, and found this discussion. {{e|:/}} <br/> Maybe this page could contain pages only and not files? (I really spent a lot of time and effort onto my deleted files page) Anyways, still waiting for a response on whether or not this project will be started. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
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== “Secret” Compliments  ==
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We all know Compliment Tuesday. To suggest compliments we have the [[S:CT]] page. It’s a great way to compliment people, but could be even better.
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Right now you suggest a compliment, everyone who wants to including the person who was complimented can see it and get posted on CP.
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So I thought that’s good but you do let look forward to the CP post because you know if you have been complimented.
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I propose proposing compliments on a way no-one else can see apart from the organizer(s). This can be achieved by a Google Form.
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Proposed new method:
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* Users suggest compliments on Google Form entering all details as they would before
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* End of the month (organizer)s have admin access to the form and gather responses
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* Posted in CP
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This way:
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* Users will look forward to see compliments received and not seeing anytime of the month
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* People will be more encouraged by the compliments
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Ideas?{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 07:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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:There are pros and cons to this... on one hand, people will be less self-conscious about complimenting if nobody knows it's them, but on the other hand some compliments either don't make sense if you don't know who it is or imply on their own who the person complimenting is. I do like the idea of looking forward to compliments rather than seeing them immediately, but the con to that is people might be disappointed if CT doesn't come out at the end of the month due to not enough people complimenting...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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::I'm on board with this. I still would like to keep the non-secret compliments as a second option if we go about this. The main problem would be moderation. With anonymity, there is more of a chance that something mean would come out of it. An unwritten policy of CT is, if I see a disrespectful "compliment" it won't be included. If we were to use a google forum, we would have to have some way of knowing who compliment who, we can't just ask for a username since we can't verify it wasn't an impostor. Any ideas how to go about this?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::Perhaps (again) an extension? Special:ComplimentTuesday sounds like an interesting idea...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:50, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::Guess who forked your report extension ;) (or possibly Special:ThankfulThursday :P)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 12:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::::+1 for a Special: page where compliments can be submitted and a way of suggesting public compliments{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 16:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|5}}
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But also,Scratch and Scratch Wiki are growing up with "Imagine, Program, Share".[[Frequently Rejected Suggestions#Private Messaging|Here]]'s an rejected example suggestion:{{quote|Private Messaging
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When communication is public, people are more likely to be respectful because they know that everyone can see it. However, when posting PMs, people know that only the intended recipient can see it, so do not think as much before posting. Even if a "Flag PM" function is implemented, the Scratch Team currently does not have the resources to moderate it, because of the reason said before there would be a lot of inappropriate/disrespectful messages.|Scratch Team}} Also,we can see other's compliments(Google Forms give this in finish of the form,right?).
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Shortly:
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*It's a bad idea because...
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:*It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages
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:*I have some questions about Google Forms security
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:*Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)
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:*And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging
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:*If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work
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:*Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)
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<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 20:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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::I would generally discourage the use of google forms for this kind of project given that you are seeking input from the entire community. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::I also disagree with using Google Forms because fake or anonymous users could abuse the feature. However, maybe Special:ComplimentTuesday could be the way to go... <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::Google Forms are out by multiple Community and Wiki G/guidelines. A special page is the way to go. @Ahmetlii: If we're using a special page, problems solved include:
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::::* <s>It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages</s>
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:::::Compliments would be reviewed before being shown. Inappropriate messages are vandalism and would be treated as such. {{done|Solved}}
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::::* <s>I have some questions about Google Forms security</s>
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:::::No Google Forms. {{done|Solved}}
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::::* <s>Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)</s>
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:::::Not a problem for me, it'll be fun! {{e|:)}} {{done|Solved}}
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::::* <s>And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging</s>
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:::::Compliments are shown to everyone - only who submitted the compliment is hidden. Not private messaging. {{done|Solved}}
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::::* <s>If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work</s>
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:::::Not very much more, and @jakel181 has been doing a great job on CT so far, I'm sure he wouldn't mind looking through the compliments before he posts them.
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::::* <s>Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)</s>
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:::::Not with a special page! {{done|Solved}}
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::::I think a special page is definitely the way to go. I believe the following are the only questions to really consider:
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::::* Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted?
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::::** If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate?
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::::* Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
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::::** If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
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::::This concludes my post.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::::I think we should allow EW/Admins/Bureaucrats see in some fashion. (Maybe not all but a couple)<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 12:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|5}}
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* Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted? -Yes, they are. (I don't need it :P)
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** If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate? -It's named as "be shy" :)
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* Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
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-No, we don't because S:JOIN-if somebody want to send a message, they must join and login to the Wiki.
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** If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
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-They can use Scratch profiles to send a message - it's only a Wiki about Scratch.
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<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 17:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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:{{not done|No clear resolution}}{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 22:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Welcome templates ==
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{{not done|Limit not yet negotiated}}
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A lot of people have their own "welcome" templates that they post on new users' talk pages. This is a great idea, because new users can get to know new people and, of course, feel welcomed. However, the welcoming effect starts diminishing when things like this happen:
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[[File:That's a lot of welcomes.PNG]]
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10 different people jumping on the new user is too much - it's not welcoming, it's downright scary! How would you feel if you created an account somewhere and you were confronted with a wall of "welcome"s?
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To counteract this, I don't propose forbidding welcomes entirely; what I instead think should be the case is that we have a limit on how many welcome messages can be on a talk page - probably around 4-5 at the most. That does mean it turns into a race as to who can get their message on first, but that can't be helped - if you want to get your message in, ya gotta be active at the right time.
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I don't think there's much room for debate on the necessity of the limit, but what can be bargained is the limit itself - how many topics do you think is too many?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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:I think that a limit of 4-5 is a great idea {{E|:)}} I still remember when I started the messages really confused me. Also, I'd say that if you post a welcome message, it should have a variation of the simple title "Welcome!". I tried to make mine a bit different. I like the "All aboard!" one. Maybe we could say if there are more than eight messages already, really don't put one, but if there are 4-5 try not to put your template, but a personal message is okay.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 21:06, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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::I see this level of enthusiasm as very exciting. While it may be a little intimidating, I look at it more as a great way to integrate yourself with the community immediately and meeting many of the people who you will be working with side-by-side. Nonetheless, I would love to see more data on this and interview some people on their experiences regarding this to see if it does have a negative impact. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::As we are bargaining for this, I was just wondering what we'll be doing now. Should we be limiting welcomes now? Or do we continue welcoming as much as we can {{e|:D}}? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::While the rule is still merely proposed, it is not yet a rule. Welcomes are unlimited until this is put in force.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::::[[User talk:StampDanFan|It has happened again...]]{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 20:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}
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maybe a way to avoid this is to make the section named a bit different?? <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
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:Can't we make a User_talk:ACCEPTEDUSER/Welcomes page?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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::That doesn't actually cause a ping tho...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::We could make it ping though if there is someone willing to mess with the code...{{User:Smileycreations15/sig}} 11:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::I was just scrolling through the CP, and this caught my eye. Great idea, I definitely think this needs to be considered. I understand that people are just trying to be kind by sending the welcome messages, but it would almost be like a horror film for the person who owns the account. I think 4-5 welcome templates are enough, but I think there needs to be a break between even those. Getting 4-5 welcomes in a couple of seconds is also not the best of ideas.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:55, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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== Block Problems ==
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{{Not done|Not done, as blocks are still unfinished or broken}}<br />
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Today I started to finish up the script for [[How to Evaluate an Expression]], and things got out of hand. When I first completed it, I realized I did some of the block loops wrong, and it like wrapped around some things that I didn't want to wrap around, while I also couldn't get this one if then else block to wrap around something else {{-}} it was all a mess. I cleaned some of it up, but I am afraid I'll make it worse and I already spent more than an hour on it. Also, I have to save it each time I want to check if it is correct, since for some reason the blocks won't load up in ''Show preview'' mode (it appears in code) but loads when the changes are saved. Can somebody please fix up the script to match the one in post #19 in [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/292813/ this forum topic]? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
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:The blocks still don't match the one in the post, I tried again on my sandbox and it still does not cut out. Anyone who is an expert at doing this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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::You can use [https://scratchblocks.github.io this page].<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 07:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::Curse Garamol56 for not using forum scratchblocks!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::@Ahmetlii That website may come in handy...
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::::@kenny2scratch Yes, it is so exhausting to convert it into proper scratchblocks! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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== TinyPic is closing down ==
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I'm not sure how many pages this messes up but you should all know that TinyPic is closing down :({{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 19:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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:Dang, could you name some examples of pages that use TinyPic? {{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 23:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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::In case you don't know: Scratch Wiki has its own image hosting (Wiki server) and does not use TinyPic(or cubeupload or anything else) at all. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 03:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::@1a3c5e7g9i I forget the names right now, but theres one about image hosting I know for sure.
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:::@Apple502j I know, but there are informational pages that will be incorrect.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 14:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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::::It looks like {{user|Jammum|name}} updated [[Image Hosting]]: see [[Special:Redirect/revision/231829]]. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 14:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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::::: Oh my god I know (but I use cubeupload). So what should we do? <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::::: Simply put, update the pages that mention Tinypic to say that it's closing down (even though we should've already done that). {{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 19:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}{{done|Problem Solved!}}{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 22:34, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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== AF Link Proposal ==
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For April Fools pages, could we convert regular links in the page to the April Fools one instead, if possible?
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But we shouldn't go on a massive editing spree for this - only change the links if we stumble upon them or add new ones. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
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:I think that depends on the person that creates the page, but I think that April Fools pages aren't that huge of a deal to change every link, even if stumbled upon. Also, most pages don't have an alternate April Fools page to begin with. <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 05:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
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::Support.
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::{{User:Smileycreations15/sig}} 12:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::@Jedibrine: Sorry, by "stumbling upon", I meant when we add/modify the contents of an AF page. I don't want too many edits of just converting links.
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:::Also, this will make AF pages more lively and humorous in a way. I myself have been disappointed in the past clicking on a link on an AF page, but found out that it led to a regular article.
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:::And even if there isn't an alternate AF page, so what? We could just add the regular link for now, and then when it gets created, we could change it. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
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::::I thought that on April Fools Day, then if you clicked a link, it would lead to the April Fools version of that page if there is one...{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 22:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::::No no, that's not what I meant. What I meant was when you click on a link that's on an AF page, it leads you to the regular page, and my proposal is that we should change those links (once again on AF pages) to lead to the AF version of the link, if possible. Even if this could be rendered useless on April 1{{th|1}}, it still would be more humorous for users who browse AF pages. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:48, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|:::::}}
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I don't think this is a good idea. What benefit will this bring? This change would mean that on AF Day, every ''mainspace'' page would be linking to the AF subpage instead of linking to other real pages. Then any normal user would suddenly be taken to some cryptic page titled "Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Ignatious Q. Higgenbotham" and not know what they were looking at. Plus, the {{t|April Fools}} template (which is on every ''mainspace'' page with an AF version) shows a header saying "this is a joke, scroll to the bottom for the real article"; the {{t|AF}} template (which is on the ''AF versions'' of mainspace pages) does not. Linking to AF versions from mainspace would remove the ability for educators, New Scratchers, and other members of our audience to get some serious help that they just happened to need on AF Day.
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That's my two cents.
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<small>BTW, @TenType, there's a shortcut for {{t|th}} for 1, it's {{t|st}}. There are also {{t|nd}} and {{t|rd}} for convenience.</small>{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:17, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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:I don't think everyone knows what I'm saying. Only <u>on</u> AF pages should we link to other AF pages; why would we link AF pages from mainspace? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:04, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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::Dude. AF pages get ''transcluded into mainspace on AF Day''. The links remain unchanged upon transclusion.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::Welp, yes, but this would also benefit users who browse AF pages when it's not AF day. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 17:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::I don't really know that many people that browse AF pages outside of AF day, and there are ways for people to access AF pages if they really need to. If people want to reach a page on AF day, all they will find are AF pages. <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 04:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::<!-- this indentation is intentional -->I've made a change to the {{t|April Fools}} template (the one that goes on mainspace) so that it shows a little icon in the top right that links to the AF version. That should make things easier for the minority that browses AF pages, which substitutes the only real benefit of this; therefore I shall consider this {{done}}.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Thankful Thursday! August 1{{th}}, 2019 ==
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 021}}
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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The next TT is August 29{{th}}. See you then!
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<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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::Isn't that supposed to be August 1{{st}}? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 17:54, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Split Help talk:Welcome/4 ==
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[[Help talk:Welcome/4]] is used by new Wikians to test out using talk pages. But, there is also a real discussion on the page named 'Blanking' (although before the actual discussion, there are a few talk page tests).
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I suggest that all test discussions should be moved to its own talk page (that is a sub-page of the real talk page), which could be named something like 'Help talk:Welcome/4/Testing'. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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: They really should! <scratchsig>God286</scratchsig> 06:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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::I disagree - besides posting on talk pages, New Wikians should also learn how to get to them. If they have to additionally navigate to a subpage, they might be misimpressioned that they have to do that with all talk pages. At the most maybe indicate at the top of the page that ''real'' discussions should go in a subpage.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:46, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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== New Featured Images ==
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{{not done}}
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Hey! Soon, on August 12th, it'll have been a month since we updated the Featured Images yet. This time, I don't want to do them late like I have in the past, so does anyone have any suggestions? {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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:A photo of somewhere tropical. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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::I don't understand - is this a joke (if it isn't, I'm not trying to offend; simply trying to understand)? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::It is. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 13:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::: The _:))_ emoji. Looks nice and funny.<scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:23, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::::You mean literally feature the {{e|:)}} picture? I guess that works LOL
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:::::I'd suggest [[:File:Statistic Rollover Info.png]] because it looks cool and has a random interesting piece of info :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:42, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::::It's been August 12th, does that mean this discussion is now for the next featured image change? Or can this be archived?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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== A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-archive TIME! ==
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FYI These CPND topics are to be archived:
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* [[S:CPND#Wiki Wednesday suggestion link should be on the left?]]
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* [[S:CPND#Why doesn't the "CodeMirror" thing always work?]]
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* [[S:CPND#Assets Page]]
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* [[S:CPND#Community Blocks Page in my Userspace]]
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* [[S:CPND#VisualEditor extension]]
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And don't forget [[S:CPSYS]]! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 01:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
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:Wow, a lot of pages in the Not Done section can be archived! {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:26, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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::{{done}}!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Minor Change to S:CONTRIB ==
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{{done}}
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[[S:CONTRIB]] says "'''Creating an email is encouraged''' if you haven't already. You will need it if you forget your password.", but the passwords are emailed now, I believe - so I believe it should say something like "'''Creating an email is encouraged''' if you haven't already. You will need it to receive your password." What does everyone think? Or am I missing something? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:33, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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:It's required.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:36, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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::Yeah, so maybe we should put "Creating an email is required" instead. {{E|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::I have no objections.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:41, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::Shouldn't be encouraged since it's mandatory like Banana said. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::::Right. {{e|:)}} I'll just change it and if anyone realizes that it shouldn't have been done, we could change it back. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::::{{done}} - does it look okay?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}}
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Well {{done}} for spotting and fixing that! I'm completely happy with the changes.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 23:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Wiki Wednesday - Participate! ==
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 +
Hi everyone!
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Those who have been following Wiki Wednesday closely might have noticed that we introduced a new section in July, "Participate!". Our goals are to
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* increase community engagement with the Wiki Wednesday event
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* reduce (the relative amount of) spam on the topic
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* show people that they can use the Wiki to answer many questions
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* get more people interested in joining the Wiki by inspiring them with interesting questions/ topics that need coverage
 +
 
 +
In July's participate we asked people to ask questions, try to answer them with the Wiki or otherwise answer if they can. We got some interesting questions:
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> Answered by wiki
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* Where is the remix tree?
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* What is the Wiki?
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* What is Wiki Wednesday?
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* Who invented Scratch?
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> Answered by community
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* Troubleshooting on MacBook
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* Changing the profile picture on a tablet
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* How many studios can someone create?
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* How to make a thumbnail (that is not visible once the Green Flag was clicked) for a project
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> Unanswered
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* When are Scratch Updates launched?
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* Branding Tips
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* Project ideas
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* Wall detection platformer tutorial
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* Make a bullet follow a player
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* Full game tutorials
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* How to draw in Scratch
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* What did the ST expect people to do with studios?
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* How to get hacked blocks
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 +
As you see some of the unanswered questions could have been answered using the Wiki - oh well, they were burried beneath spam I guess...
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 +
This month's Participate! is to give us feedback on last month's participate and Wiki Wednesday in general. It would be great if the Wiki Community could participate :) On the Wiki Wednesday post: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/368257/ post your feedback! You can also make suggestions for future Participat! sections. Or say if you don't think Participate! is useful and try and develop another strategy. Thanks all!
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-- <scratchsig>LiFaytheGoblin</scratchsig> 17:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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:{{cool|Very cool!}} Even though I didn't participate in last month's "Participate!", I will make sure to participate next time! (This sounds like a great idea btw!) {{e|:D}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Scratch down ==
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Anyone know why the Scratch website is down? I’m at school, so I can’t check the Twitter posts.{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 16:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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:Hmm, I don't know. When I got on at about 1:10, it said down for maintenance, and then I just checked back to get to the Twitter posts and it's back up again, at 1:11. Weird.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 17:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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:: Maybe your school banned Scratch since there a games there. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:22, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::No, it was down, like [[Maintenance Mode|down for maintenance]]. Not banned. I wasn't at school anyway.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 16:54, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::Maybe [https://scratch.mit.edu/news this?] <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 04:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::::It happened when 2.0 was turning into 3.0, but by the date of the post, I don't think the reason was due to that. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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 +
== Statistics - New Zealand ==
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I think we need to write in [[Scratch Statistics|this page]] that New Zealand is cut off massively, and can not really be seen. It's quite noticeable! <scratchsig>God286</scratchsig> 06:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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:Actually, this is a common thing done in corporate - New Zealand frequently doesn't constitute a large statistic, and its presence extends the map a lot, so it is commonly deliberately left out of statistics maps. You can tell the ST to add it back, I guess, for all the good it'll do :P{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:39, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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:: It's statistics can hardly be seen, due to the fact you have to hover your mouse on a little dot. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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== Giving Credit on the Wiki ==
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{{not done}}
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I think that we should make a template for credit like this: {{User:Scratch-Coding/credit|Scratch-Coding |template}}. It would be helpful. We could use the remix button image instead of the one I have. {{User:Scratch-Coding/Signature}} 00:09, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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:When and where will it be used? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 01:05, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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::What would you use this for, and why? The wiki is a collaboration and we all own a part of it. No one owns a article unless they created it on there userspace where they can so whatever they want with it.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 01:13, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::Templates are mainly created for mainspace Wiki articles {{-}} when and why would this be needed? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:58, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::It would be used on userspaces, giving credit for a image, and giving credit for an example. <scratchsig>Scratch-Coding</scratchsig> 17:44, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::::You can use it on your userspace but I don't think it's necessary. Btw: What did you do to your signature? It's broken.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 20:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::::This wouldn't be that beneficial to the Wiki, especially if it is mostly used on userspace. I still disagree. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent | 6}} Who would use it? <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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:Yeah, I don't think this is necessary. If you need to credit someone you don't need a template. Furthermore, you wouldn't need to credit anyone on mainspace, this is collaborative and we don't get/need credit for what we write here.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 15:26, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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==Watchlist token not Working==
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It claims to let me see my watchlist when I search it on the web, but it shows nothing at all. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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:Nope. The token is used for RSS - not web viewing. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 14:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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::Oh, thanks! <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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==How to use Scratch to host images?==
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 +
It says right [[Image_Hosting|here]] that we can host images on scratch.mit.edu, but I don't know how. Could anyone teach me? Thanks! <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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:You can use images hosted in scratch.mit.edu (project thumbnails, studio thumbnails, user icons, etc.), but you can't upload images there. <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 16:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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::For example, your user profile picture on Scratch can be found at this link: [https://cdn2.scratch.mit.edu/get_image/user/17528194_60x60.png (look at the url)] <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 02:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::And Scratch images can also be directly embedded here too :) https://cdn2.scratch.mit.edu/get_image/user/17528194_20x20.png{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::I accidentally embedded it here first when I was trying to show the url lol <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 02:13, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
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:::::We are currently coming up with a good way to host future images for our Wiki Wednesday release. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:34, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
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 +
== Tinkercad Codeblocks ==
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Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
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<scratchsig>LiamSapp123</scratchsig> 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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:Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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::Maybe we should have one about Blockly <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 +
 
 +
== October 2019 EW Election ==
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 +
=== Overview ===
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On behalf of all the Scratch Wiki admins and EWs, I am happy to announce that '''the seventh Experienced Wikian elections will be held in this month of October, 2019.'''
 +
 
 +
You can find the most relevant information on the election page: [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019]] and the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Nominations|nomination page]]. Visit this page to learn more about being an Experienced Wikian: [[Scratch Wiki:Experienced Wikians]]
 +
 
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=== Rationale ===
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This election is for mostly the same reason as the February 2018 elections. I (kenny2scratch) have now started 11{{th}} grade, and the level of stress is really high - this is the year where the vast majority of learning goes on. I'm not withdrawing or retiring from the Wiki like jvvg has, but I will definitely have to be far less active.
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 +
Now, the EWs elected in June have done their job very well - but I'm sure they'd love some help. Also, in the last election there was an experience imbalance - the candidates joined the Wiki in 2015, 2017, and 2018; additionally, at the time other nominees couldn't become candidates because of lack of experience. After three months, we feel confident that nominees will have more experience.
 +
 
 +
=== Expectations/Hopes ===
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EWs elected in this election should be able to dedicate a set amount of time each day to patrolling edits made that day. Though all edits from each day must be patrolled, the elects need not patrol them all by themselves. Instead, they should coordinate with myself and other admins and EWs to patrol the day's edits.
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Elects should also:
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* Know the account request process well (processing account requests is what the entire EW role was created for)
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* Have a certain amount of activity per day outside of patrolling. Edits made in the course of patrolling are usually enough.
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* Know how to gently/nicely/politely correct new users' behavior
 +
** No: "Please remember to indent. You did not indent on User's talk page."
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** Yes: "Hi, I just saw your message on User's talk page. Your comment was rather [positive adjective], but I just want to mention that when replying to other people's posts we usually..."
 +
 
 +
=== Conclusion ===
 +
Nominations open at 12:00 AM UTC on October 5 (which is 8pm Scratch Time on October 4). Good luck, and may the best candidates win!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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:Another one? It feels like we just did the last! Nevertheless, I'll nominate myself when it's open.<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 04:38, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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::It is unprecedented, to have two elections in such a short time, but the rationale is valid.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:44, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::Cool, looking forward to see who the candidates are.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 20:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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::::Wow, this quick? I'll be waiting for nominations to open then {{e|:D}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::::Wait, question for Ken- so EW<u>'''s'''</u> will be elected or undecided? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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::::::Whoops, just read the election page. Carry on! {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:43, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|7}}Yay, I didn't miss it this time...{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 11:17, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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:How do I nominate myself (once the page opens)? <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 15:04, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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::You go to the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Nominations|nomination page]]. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 15:24, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::Got it! Thanks! :) <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 15:39, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|:::}}
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=== Nominations open ===
 +
Nominations are now open! Please see [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Nominations]]. Nominations close on October 12 (next Saturday).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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:Reminder: Nominations close this Saturday! If you are unsure, you have a little over one more day to make up your mind.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:03, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|:}}
 +
=== Candidates ===
 +
Nominations are closed! After much deliberation by the admins and current EWs, here is the list of candidates (in alphabetical order) in the June 2019 election:
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* apple502j
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* Jammum
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* MClovers
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* TenType
 +
 
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Candidates: Start writing your speeches! Once you have written your speech and are happy with what it says, '''post it in a reply here'''. Remember that speeches must be no more than 108 words and not break any rules stated on the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019|election page]]. If you like, you can post your speech multiple times - your last reply here that you mark as your official speech will be the speech displayed on the election page. You have until October 19 to write and post and/or revise your speech.
 +
 
 +
Everyone else: There's nothing for you to do right now - voting starts on October 19. Check back in a week!
 +
 
 +
(Edit: your speeches will only be displayed on the election page at the start of the voting period.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:48, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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:Hey there! My name's TenType. I have a lot of experience on the Scratch Wiki, such as cleaning up existing articles, helping users around the Wiki, fixing Wiki markup, and much more. Since I'm one of the most active users on the Wiki and moderate every edit that goes into Recent Changes, I believe I would be an excellent fit as an EW for patrolling, handling account requests, and maintaining the Wiki. Lastly, I consider myself to be a hard worker- meaning I would be great for repetitive tasks such as deleting unused/redirecting files. Vote TenType for EW! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:17, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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::Hello, I'm an well-known apple, apple502j. Being an admin for more than years on Japanese wiki, my knowledge on how to moderate Wiki, including ConfirmAccounts, is so huge. I look at Recent Changes almost every day using my free time and I'm sure I'm the best person for patrolling task. I have created many articles here and joined many discussions around the Wiki since two years ago. Also, my timezone is UTC+9; similar to Ken's, so I can help his jobs at the almost same time. Make the Wiki nice like an apple, by Voting Apple. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 07:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::Hello, Wikians! It is a great honour to be a candidate for this EW election. I have been on the Scratch Wiki for nearly a year (at the time of writing this) made over a thousand edits, so I have enough experience. If I get elected, I will do many helpful actions, such as putting lots of effort into helping out and improving this wiki, answer everyone's questions and more. I will carefully read account requests and fix other's spelling and grammar. Finally, I will aim to be on this wiki daily and will only use new privileges for the greater good of the wiki. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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::::Hi fellow wikians! I'm @MClovers but you can call me Alpha. I'm so happy that I was considered as a candidate for the election! I just want to thank the current EW's and admins for choosing me as a candidate, It means a lot to me! Anyways, let's get onto my speech. I've been on the Scratch wiki for over 2 years now and I've enjoyed every second of it! I believe that the wiki is not just a place to get information but a whole community. Following this belief, I know how to manage online communities. I have a popular community known as 'ShopBux'. I won't get into what it actually is but the core of it is a thriving online community with over 300 pages and around 20 employees. I am a bit of a computer geek as well so I spend a lot of time on my laptop, meaning I am able to be on the wiki on command. Relating to this, my timezone is NZT so you can figure out when I'll be able to get on. I have the ability to correct users politely as I believe that new wikians may be put off if an EW came to them and attacked them. I can easily learn things so this will mean me learning every single nook and cranny of being an EW. Relating to this, I love learning new things so I will enjoy this position. My activity on this wiki will skyrocket as I understand the dedication required to be an EW. I will also try to reccomend the ideas of users to the other EWs and admins. Remember to #VoteAlpha if you want a say in how this online community is run!<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 03:49, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::::@MClovers, two problems with your speech:
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:::::# Your username is MClovers, not AlphaZetta. "#VoteAlpha" doesn't really make sense in this context.
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:::::# The word limit for speeches is 108 words. Your speech is 290 - over twice the limit.
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:::::In any case, thank you all for your speeches - you now have until this Saturday to revise them. The last reply of yours here that you mark as your official speech will be used on the election page.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|5}}<Latest Speech>Hello Wikians, I'm an well-known apple, apple502j. Being an admin for more than two years on Japanese wiki, my knowledge on how to moderate Wiki, including ConfirmAccounts, is so huge. I look at Recent Changes almost every day using my free time and I'm sure I'm the best person for patrolling task. I have created many articles here and joined many discussions around the Wiki since two years ago. Also, my timezone is UTC+9; similar to Ken's, so I can help his jobs at the almost same time. Make the Wiki nice like an apple, by Voting Apple. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 05:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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:<Latest Speech>Hi, I'm @MClovers! Thanks for choosing me! I've been on the Scratch wiki for over 2 years now! The wiki is not just a wiki but a whole community. I can manage communities. I have a community known as 'ShopBux'. It's an online community with an active following. I can get on the wiki on command. I correct users politely. I learn quickly so I can get to know the position. I love learning new things so I will enjoy this position. I understand the dedication required to be an EW. I will recommend the ideas of users to wiki staff. #VoteMCL if you want a voice!<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 07:51, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|:}}
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=== Voting Open ===
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The deadline has passed! The candidates for the October 2019 election have written their speeches. View them on the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019|election page]].
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Candidates: There's nothing for you to do now but hope. Remember that you are not allowed to do any sort of self-promotion anywhere.
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 +
Everyone else: Voting has opened! If your account was created '''before October 5''', [https://futuresight.org/wikivote click here to vote]! Voting closes on October 26.
 +
 
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Good luck to all candidates!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:27, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 +
:Last day of voting! If you want to have a say in who your new EWs are, make sure to vote!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:26, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|:}}
 +
=== Election Results ===
 +
Voting is closed! The votes have been tallied, and our two new Experienced Wikians have been chosen! ''drumroll...''
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 +
Congratulations to '''{{user|apple502j}} and {{user|TenType}}''', who won with 98 and 72 points! You will receive messages shortly explaining your new permissions and expectations, and then your usergroups will be changed.
 +
 
 +
More detailed results can be found here: [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Results]]
 +
 
 +
Thus concludes the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019|October 2019 Experienced Wikian elections]]! Thank you to everyone who participated, be it candidates or voters. Goodbye!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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:Thanks everyone! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 06:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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::Thank you everyone! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 18:32, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 +
:::Congrats!{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 13:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
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 +
== Broken Link ==
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In [[Scratch_Books]] the link for the book ''Coding for Beginners Using Scratch'' is broken. It apears that the company took down the book's page for a new book release which is updated for 3.0 I can never get the web archives to work for me so I thought I would tell all of you to decide what to do.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 21:08, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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:I can't find it with the web archiver; it seems like it wasn't notable enough to document. I would suggest removing the book from the page entirely.<scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:19, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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::Okay, thanks for your advise. Since the book isn't for sale anymore on their website it's probably the right thing to do.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 00:19, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Does Image Hosting page need change? ==
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In the [[Image Hosting]] page it seems that Xomf is still under the 'Pending review' section. According to [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/3717081/ this forum post] by [https://scratch.mit.edu/users/Paddle2See/ Paddle2See], they've tried to add Xomf but it didn't work. I think that this would make the wiki page out of date. Should I change it?<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 19:37, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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:Yeah, go ahead.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 19:51, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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::[https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/368914/?page=5#post-3717750 Looks like they're trying for imgbb.com right now.]{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 23:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::I know, I started it.<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 00:21, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Show Preview Loading ==
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Is it just me, or is "Show preview" loading slower and slower as time progresses? At first, since I was using a phone to edit, I thought it was just the side effect of editing on mobile. However, I tried using "Show preview" on my two other laptops and the same happened- I clicked "Show preview", then the gray loading circle would pop up. It takes a VERY long time to load and sometimes won't even load at all. If you click on it again, the circle would disappear and the preview would still not be shown. "Save changes" and "Show changes" works just fine. Is anyone else experiencing this and if someone else is, then could this be fixed?
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<small>At this very moment, I clicked "Show preview" and it is still loading... and loading... {{e|:(}}</small>
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<scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:45, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
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:On desktop, works normally for me... loaded as instantly as any other submit function.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:52, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
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::It's starting to work more often now... probably some issues with connecting or something else. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:19, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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== What happened to link previews? ==
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{{not done}} They don't seem to be showing up for me at all anymore. Anybody else?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 02:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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:Same here. Did someone turn it off? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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::Also not getting previews (or at least when I tried it on [[Image Hosting]], linked above). I'll ping jvvg (since he was the one who enabled them).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::Any reply from jvvg yet?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Should the EW election nomination talk page be protected from New Wikians? ==
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New Wikians are ineligible from running in EW elections. Should the nominations talk page of it be protected to prevent them from nominating themselves? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 15:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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:But will new wikians even nominate, that's the thing... Other than that, I think this should happen. It will make things a bit easier. <scratchsig>God286</scratchsig> 20:30, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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::They will!  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::Future questions like this go on the [[Scratch Wiki talk:Elections/October 2019|election talk page]], not the CP.
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:::To answer the question, yes. I've protected it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 00:25, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
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::::{{done}}  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 15:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Delete these files please ==
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<br/>{{Done}}
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Can any of you guys delete these files?:
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<br/> https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:My_Broom_I_Guess_(For_April_Fools)_(Dilek10).jpg
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<br/> https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:ALL_HAIL_DA_SEMICOLON!!!!1(Dilek10).jpg
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<br/>Thanks if you do so.
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<scratchsig>Dilek10</scratchsig> 18:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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:In the future, either post this kind of thing on [[/Admin Requests/]], or just use the {{t|delete}} template on the file. {{done}} by banana439monkey.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:56, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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== How to make a new page on your account ==
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{{done}}
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How do you make a new page on the Scratch Wiki on your account?
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<scratchsig>Legogo7777</scratchsig> 03:23, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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:Hi, welcome back to the Wiki! You can just navigate to the subpage e.g. by following [[User:Legogo7777/Sandbox|this redlink]] or typing it into the address bar, then editing and saving the page. Hope that helps :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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== New Curator ==
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The Scratch News needs updated, the new curator is scratch-explored (started Monday, I believe).{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 10:55, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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:jvvg is moving his scripts for his bot (see [[User talk:jvvg]] for more info). An EW may have to change it for now. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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== The AF Button ==
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It is very cluttering and bothersome, I don't like it and it confusioning the new members.
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Please remove
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<scratchsig>DeleteThisAcount</scratchsig> 11:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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:what in salamander Jimmy's name are you talking about
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:also nobody will do anything if you ask them like that, can you ask more nicely?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:34, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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::I think he means the little teeny tiny April Fools' button? Somehow cluttering pages (in a space that is essentially ineditable)? That we just added?
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::<small><small><small><small>what in salamander Jimmy's name</small></small></small></small>{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 23:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::I think DeleteThisAcount possibly clicked "New topic" or "Send a message" button and could not remove.I will create a topic on DeleteThisAcount's talk page.
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:::<small><small><small><small>what in salamander Jimmy's name(What's meaning of this?)</small></small></small></small><scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 23:48, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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::::The AF button in the corner is confusing and cluttering pages?
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::::<small><small><small>what in salamander Jimmy's name(it means that something could not be understood lol)</small></small></small> <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::::"what in the name of X" or "what in X's name" just means something along the lines of "what on earth" - it's a way of emphasizing "what". "Salamander Jimmy" is something {{user|Turkey3|name}} once said on the CP.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 12:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::::: Sorry so much for how the message was delivered, I was half asleep. I believe I was refering to the little rage icon on the front page that brings you to the April Fools pages. I thought that it was cluttering up the otherwise clean front page of the wiki. (And also with something that someone somewhere might consider to be rude as the icon shows a person saying the first two letters of a very not so nice word) <scratchsig>DeleteThisAcount</scratchsig> 20:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::::::I can agree to that, it is kind of cluttered and I would rather have it gone. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|7}} Maybe this button could be moved somewhere? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:57, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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:First off, does it actually bother anyone that much? I don't notice it at all - it's a white image on a light background.
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:Second, if you were to look at the full-sized image you would see that the icon actually says "APRIL FOOOOOOOOOOOOOLS DAYYY" rather than what you think.
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:Third, I partially meant that icon as a way of introducing the idea of April Fools' pages to people who actually notice it - a fun thing to find out, like "hey the Wiki does April Fools too".
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:Fourth, the other purpose of the icon is its main one - a convenient link to the April Fools' version of the page. It's much harder to type "Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Scratch Wiki Home" into the address bar than it is to click "Scratch Wiki Home" then the rage icon.
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:I like it where it is; I guess I'm not strongly opposed to moving it somewhere else on the main page, but it serves its purpose best in its current state.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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== Suggestion for a new Scratch block: StringBuilder‎‎ ==
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<big>Hello fellow Scratch Wiki users,</big>
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I’ve been using Scratch over the past couple of years and I noticed something quite frustrating: Text.
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It is really hard to portray graphical text in scratch that can easily be modified(ex. a sprite that dynamically changes it’s text based on the user input.)
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Right now, there are only a few, limited choices with drawbacks:
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1) <u>Using the say block</u>
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Using the say block will trigger the particular sprite to mention user-specified text(ex. Hello!). This method is simple, and easily able to dynamically change, but it comes with a few drawbacks. It is really hard in itself to customize the text, in ways like changing the size, color, and font. Furthermore, the text will always appear in a text bubble above the existing sprite, hindering it’s usability in many programs.
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2) <u> Preparing code to make dynamic text </u>
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In addition, people using scratch can develop their own typography to display dynamically. The procedure can be done by making the 26 costumes in an “Alphabet” sprite either by hand or using the existing typography. After the process, a “cloning” function can be made to generate the desired text. This is the other alternative to using speech bubbles, and it appears in various other types of  games. Unfortunately, it is really hard customizing features like size and font, because every other costume will be needed to be changed into the desired style. Moreover, getting the word function to actually work can
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also be a problem.
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<u><big> A hybrid of some sorts should be made, to further enhance the efficiency of the Scratch language we have come to know and love!</big></u>
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<u><big>StringBuilder!</big></u>
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My proposed idea, StringBuilder, can be a hybrid between the two options, having the ease of dynamically changing and generating the text itself with having it being it’s own sprite!
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To elaborate, StringBuilder should be a special type of sprite put into the “Add Sprite” button, so that users can get it themselves. It should also come with it’s own blocks and settings.
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<scratchblocks>
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when green flag clicked
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set StringBuilder text to [Hello World]
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set StringBuilder height = [100]
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set StringBuilder font to [Arial v]
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set StringBuilder language to [English v]
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set StringBuilder color to Red: [0] Green: [0] Blue: [0]
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add[hello] to [StringBuilder 1 v] starting at index (1)
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remove String at index (1) for [StringBuilder 1 v]
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wrap text when <>
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</scratchblocks>
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I know these blocks aren’t perfect, so I am open to new suggestions!
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Thank You,
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<big>Dewball</big>
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:Hi Dewball! Sorry, but suggestions for Scratch are more suitable in the [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/1/ Suggestions Forum]. I've moved your page to a topic on the CP here. In the future, for Wiki-related topics use the Community Portal. For Scratch-related topics, use the [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss Discussion Forums]. Don't create an article about it! Thanks! {{e|:)}}
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:<small>For other editors who are wondering about this, it was originally created on a mainspace article then moved to a topic here.</small><scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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== AF Home new News ==
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What if we add new News to the April's Fools home? <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 14:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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:Nothing stopping you! The AF news aren't protected.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Protect Welcome pages from New Wikians ==
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I recently reverted 2 edits that a New Wikian made. They were presumably test edits, but I think they could be mistaken for vandalising. To prevent edits like these, I think the Welcome pages (except the talk page for testing making talk page edits) should be protected from New Wikians, so they cannot make edits like those again. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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:I agree, however they aren't really high traffic pages. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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::{{done}} - protected all the subject pages and none of the talk pages.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Thankful Thursday! November 4{{th}}, 2019 ==
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 022}}
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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The next TT is November 28{{th}}. See you then!
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<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 14:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 14:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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==Just trying to help...==
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{{done}}
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<br />
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Shouldn't the front page section '''Scratch Program''' be '''The Scratch Program'''? This is a tiny edit, so it won't take long.
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<scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 20:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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:Hi, your signature was somehow broken. Maybe using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>?
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:I think "the" can be omitted in that case. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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:: Okay Apple. I tried using the tildies.
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:: On the other hand, ok. Are you sure that is grammatically correct? I'm not very sure, though I'm not exactly the best at Grammer... <scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 20:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::I don't think that the title should be grammatically correct as it is just a title... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 02:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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::::In my opinion, it doesn't really matter much. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::::I don't think it really matters.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 01:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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==Scratch program image==
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{{not done}} <br />
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The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
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<scratchsig> Mohie </scratchsig>
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:Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
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:Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.{{unsigned|12944qwerty}}
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::He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in [[Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents]] needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
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:::And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.
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<scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
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== Raw Watchlist ==
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{{done}}
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Whenever I edit the raw watchlist, any user talk and main page talk pages are removed whenever I save. Are the talk pages automatically watched underneath the main pages? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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:Watching any page automatically watches its corresponding subject/talk page too. Thus watching the CP also watches [[Scratch Wiki:Community Portal]].{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:37, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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:: Okay, thanks <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:50, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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== Privacy Policy Article ==
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{{not done}}
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We should probably delete [[Privacy Policy|this article]]. It's just a copy of the Scratch Privacy Policy and doesn't add anything to it. Furthermore, the article is outdated and is actually (presumably) the old Scratch Privacy Policy.
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I don't want to delete an article without asking some more experienced people first, and I don't know if I even have the permission to delete articles. What do you guys think? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 00:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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:I think it should be deleted. We could make an FAQ page, saying "What is Scratch's privacy policy?", give a short answer, and link to the full thing.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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::This would be better in [[Talk:Privacy Policy]], but okay.
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::I'm gonna have to wait for Ken's response on this, though I do agree with your argument. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::I did make a post on the talk page, but I wanted more people to see it <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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::::I think that EIephant_Lover's idea is good, but instead of deleting the page, we could just replace the current article with a short synopsis of the policy and a link, along with a disclaimer that "this is not a substitute for the actual Privacy Policy." <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 21:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::::Our article is 5th in rank in Google search results for "scratch privacy policy" (at least in my region), so I think if any redirecting happens it should be to the current title.
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:::::The ideal solution is to add our own content regarding the privacy policy. Could we explain each clause of the policy rather than (or in addition to) directly quoting it? Maybe give examples, or make the meaning clearer? I'm loath to delete an article that should have good use but just doesn't at the moment.
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:::::Side note: if you already posted on its talk page, and nobody responded, I think it's fair to get more attention on the issue by bringing it up here. You (Groko13) did the right thing here.
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:::::If there's no content that can be added, I still think it should stay - I don't actually have a problem with it being a straight-up copy of the Scratch policy - but I agree with Groko13 in adding a disclaimer that "this is not the actual Scratch privacy policy", and I would furthermore recommend adding another disclaimer that "this is not the Wiki privacy policy, that can be found [[:de:Project:Datenschutz|here]]".
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:::::Sound good?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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== Talk page archives ==
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{{Done}}
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How to archive a talk page?
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<br />{{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 09:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
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:This is what I would do:
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# Copy and delete all the discussions on the talk page
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# Create a new page called <code>User talk:Dilek/Archive 1</code>
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# Paste the discussions there with the {{t|archive header}} template
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# Optional: Ask an admin to protect it
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:Hopefully I helped! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:35, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
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::Thanks so much!
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::{{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 17:11, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Done.
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

No Not done

Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Time Errors Details/Comments
8 August 2018 400 Bad Request
503 Service Unavailable
I was editing User:Kenny2scratch/common.js, and when I clicked "save page" I hit a "400 Bad Request" error. I pressed the browser "back" button (thanks Chrome for caching form data), and clicked "save page" again, and I encountered "503 Service Unavailable". I went back again, resubmitted, and the edit went through.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
10:26 AM, 3 September 2018 (GMT) Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties I clicked on random page
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 09:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
5:27 PM, 3 September 2018 (HKT) "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties" I was literally attempting to edit this section. When I clicked the "edit" link, it brought me to a page that said:

Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.
(Cannot access the database)


You can try searching Google in the meantime.
Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.


Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

10:07-11:20 PM, 8 September 2018 (HKT) Major outage across all wikis Multiple screenshots: [1][2][3][4]this is the most useful error[5][6][7][8][9][10]

Basically the database failed to connect for a while, causing all sorts of obscure errors. Specifically, at times the required "mysql.sock" file was missing. Looking at server configuration, the MySQL server had to restart itself 11 times during this time period.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

10:44 AM, 2 October 2018 (GMT) 508 Resource Limit Reached Edit a user's talk page
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 09:46, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
4:40 AM, 2 January 2019 (CST) 508 Resource Limit Reached Trying to create a redirect page.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
4:58 PM, 8:02 PM, 10:22 PM, 10:25 PM @ 3 January 2019 (HKT); 12:46 AM @ 4 January 2019 (HKT) 508 Resource Limit Reached


503 Service Unavailable
File upload fail

Frequent outages across all wikis. Most likely caused by traffic spike from 3.0.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
9:12 AM, 4 January 2019 (CST)
9:17 AM, 4 January 2019 (EST)
"Service Unavailable Error [...]
503 Service Unavailable Error"
"508 Resource Limit Reached"
Trying to enter my talk, kept refreshing until worked, came to CP to log fault. Errors repeated until worked.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
15:02:46, 7 February 2019 (UTC) Fatal exception of type DBQueryError I was tring to go to the Community Portal and the website was taking a while to load and then I got the error. It went away after I refreshed the page.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
9:02 AM, 7 February 2019 (CST) 508 Resource Limit Reached Trying to go to How to Make a Typewriter Effect.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
4:50 AM, 25 May 2019 (UTC) HTTP error: error Clicked the Show preview button while editing User:TenType/Header, when it did not preview and received the error. Clicking the button again resolved the issue.
TenType (talk | contribs) 04:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
11:00 PM, 24 June 2019 (UTC) "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties." Literally attempted to access en.scratch-wiki.info and a few other pages, when I received this:

Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.
(Cannot access the database)


You can try searching via Google in the meantime.
Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.

Waited for like 10 minutes while reloading and the error finally cleared.
TenType (talk | contribs) 07:17, 25 June 2019 (HKT)

Could we have a dedicated page to that?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,650)) 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Nah, just here is fine.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
No Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
If it comes to the point of like many bugs, maybe we can make a page so that it is easier to navigate with. (archives)
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Not too many right now.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
No Never done! Server faults will always come.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Can we just keep things to UTC for the sake of simplicity?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,650)) 16:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's hard to convert times off the top of one's head - if you really want to know the time in your own timezone, convert it yourself, don't ask the logger to do extra work.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Do we not have this?
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)20:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
Known bugs is for the php bugs (mw bugs). This is for the server fault (connection problems).
Did you not get notified by ken's siggy warner?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  21:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
Known Bugs is for bugs that are consistently reproducible (actual bugs); this is for faults that occur, sometimes randomly, that are not reproducible or only happen once (glitches).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Articles to update for 3.0

No Won't be done for a long time

Hello everyone, it's already January 2nd for me, so I figure I might as well get the preparations started.

Observations/Edit Guidance

Pages outdated upon 3.0 release are incredibly numerous. In most cases, one or more of the following edits can or should happen:

  • Parts that talk about 3.0 features in future tense (e.g. "there will be a new paint editor") should be changed to use present tense (e.g. "there is a new paint editor") or past tense (e.g. "a new paint editor was introduced")
  • Parts that talk about 3.0 changes in future tense (e.g. "the editor will be moved to the right side") should be changed to use past tense (e.g. "the editor was moved to the right side")
  • Parts that mention dates in any tense should have their tense updated (e.g. "the official release will be January 2019" -> "the official release was January 2019")
  • Parts that talk about 2.0 features in any tense (e.g. "the paint editor has these features") should be changed to use past tense (e.g. "the paint editor had these features")
  • Parts that talk about 2.0 changes in any tense (e.g. "the editor was moved to the left") should all be changed to past tense if they haven't already.
  • Take this opportunity to update things that weren't changed from 1.4 days as well.

Progress

Here is a list of articles that need to be updated (on their real versions in mainspace) upon the release of 3.0. You can probably already start updating them now. Articles marked with an asterisk (*) have updates available at Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/the article title, but:

Note Warning: do not copy articles directly from their 3.0 versions!

Though in most cases the information will be correctly updated, make sure to use your own judgement as to its accuracy.

Note Note: Some of the articles listed below need to be created.

Feel free to update this list yourself. Add any articles that you discover that need updates; remove articles that have been updated.

  • Blocks
  • Change () Effect by () (sound block)
  • Development of Scratch 3.0
  • Project
  • File:Name bar.png
  • File:Offline Editor Share Icon.png

Remember to take this opportunity to clean up articles as well as update them!

Fix typography or other writing issues as you come across them

We don't want to have to make a second sweep to clean up all the weird grammar from tense changes. Remember to fix the grammar and spelling of the articles as a whole while you update them.

Ask for help when you need it

If a page or redirect needs to be deleted or you need some other admin action, leave a message at Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Admin Requests. If you don't specifically need admin actions, you can ask anyone you think would know the answer to your question.

Here's to a good 3.0 release!

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Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
05:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Oh I thought a bot would do it :P also are we saving old articles, for example Block Plugin(2.0)?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 12:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I thought we were moving 2.0 to a different place and 3.0 to where 2.0 used to be.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Removed some articles from the list :)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Should Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Front Page (2.0) be updated? It's so similar to Front Page, that it seems redundant to create a new page.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that many of the things needed to be changed were the same in 2.0 and 3.0. What should we do?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Please don't externally link to Wiki pages! And please don't use underscores in links.
I'm pretty sure it's the pictures that need updating. Would you mind adding all the files on that page that need updating to the #Progress list?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Nothing has changed between 2.0 to 3.0 in Front Page, Messages, Discuss, Profiles. (Maybe more but these are all I've been to). The Project page and project editor are the only ones that have.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
The front page has changed, they've just been using the 3.0 skin for a while. Notice how the top bar is bright blue there and on project pages but a darker blue in discuss and the profiles as well as studios. Messages have also been at the 3.0 skin for a while. My stuff (and everything in it, like trash) has not been updated either.
EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 02:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Also I think "Images of stuff in 2.0 should be updated to 3.0." should be included. VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  22:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

List of deleted pages

No Not done

(Brought up here after discussion here.)

So, there are currently four lists of deleted pages on this wiki:

  • Mathfreak231's, which is the most comprehensive but is no longer updated in his absence
  • Mine, which is a duplicate of Mathfreak's but hopefully more organized
  • Jammum's Deleted Pages, which are more recent than either of the above
  • Jammum's All Deleted Pages, which seems to be more recent and extensive but has the least information (it's only a list of titles)

I suggest (from jakel181's idea) that these become a single page in projectspace, something like "Scratch Wiki:Deleted Pages". This could be a Scratch Wiki Project.

Advantages
  • More organized
  • One place for all
  • Can be updated by anyone
Disadvantages
None I can think of off the top of my head

Thoughts? Shall we do it?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I think we should! I like the style yours is in, snice it is more oragized, and a bit easier to find pages, so we should base the page off that.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
+1 :)
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 13:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Just to remind everyone, I have not finished my "All Deleted Pages" page at the time of posting this message. It will be contributed to frequently.
Jammum (talk | contribs) 14:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
To Kenny2Scratch: This will be a great idea, as it will make it more accessible to people. If this get made, maybe put it could be put in the "Navigation" box on the side?
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 21:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I think the page will not be notable enough to go there.
Jammum (talk | contribs) 07:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
I don't think it goes in the sidebar, it's not that important; however, come to think of it, this is a nice candidate for a Scratch Wiki Project. Thinkest you that this is a suitable mission to embark upon?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I say aye.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 01:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Kenny2scratch, let's do that!
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Are we going to do this?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - 🔧 Contribs) 11:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I just created a page called User:TenType/Deleted Files, was scrolling through the Community Portal, and found this discussion. :/
Maybe this page could contain pages only and not files? (I really spent a lot of time and effort onto my deleted files page) Anyways, still waiting for a response on whether or not this project will be started.
TenType (talk | contribs) 05:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

“Secret” Compliments

We all know Compliment Tuesday. To suggest compliments we have the S:CT page. It’s a great way to compliment people, but could be even better.

Right now you suggest a compliment, everyone who wants to including the person who was complimented can see it and get posted on CP.

So I thought that’s good but you do let look forward to the CP post because you know if you have been complimented.

I propose proposing compliments on a way no-one else can see apart from the organizer(s). This can be achieved by a Google Form.

Proposed new method:

  • Users suggest compliments on Google Form entering all details as they would before
  • End of the month (organizer)s have admin access to the form and gather responses
  • Posted in CP

This way:

  • Users will look forward to see compliments received and not seeing anytime of the month
  • People will be more encouraged by the compliments

Ideas?
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 07:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

There are pros and cons to this... on one hand, people will be less self-conscious about complimenting if nobody knows it's them, but on the other hand some compliments either don't make sense if you don't know who it is or imply on their own who the person complimenting is. I do like the idea of looking forward to compliments rather than seeing them immediately, but the con to that is people might be disappointed if CT doesn't come out at the end of the month due to not enough people complimenting...
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm on board with this. I still would like to keep the non-secret compliments as a second option if we go about this. The main problem would be moderation. With anonymity, there is more of a chance that something mean would come out of it. An unwritten policy of CT is, if I see a disrespectful "compliment" it won't be included. If we were to use a google forum, we would have to have some way of knowing who compliment who, we can't just ask for a username since we can't verify it wasn't an impostor. Any ideas how to go about this?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps (again) an extension? Special:ComplimentTuesday sounds like an interesting idea...
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:50, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Guess who forked your report extension ;) (or possibly Special:ThankfulThursday :P)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 12:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
+1 for a Special: page where compliments can be submitted and a way of suggesting public compliments
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── But also,Scratch and Scratch Wiki are growing up with "Imagine, Program, Share".Here's an rejected example suggestion:

Private Messaging

When communication is public, people are more likely to be respectful because they know that everyone can see it. However, when posting PMs, people know that only the intended recipient can see it, so do not think as much before posting. Even if a "Flag PM" function is implemented, the Scratch Team currently does not have the resources to moderate it, because of the reason said before there would be a lot of inappropriate/disrespectful messages.

– Scratch Team

Also,we can see other's compliments(Google Forms give this in finish of the form,right?).

Shortly:

  • It's a bad idea because...
  • It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages
  • I have some questions about Google Forms security
  • Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)
  • And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging
  • If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work
  • Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)


Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 20:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I would generally discourage the use of google forms for this kind of project given that you are seeking input from the entire community.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
I also disagree with using Google Forms because fake or anonymous users could abuse the feature. However, maybe Special:ComplimentTuesday could be the way to go...
TenType (talk | contribs) 02:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Google Forms are out by multiple Community and Wiki G/guidelines. A special page is the way to go. @Ahmetlii: If we're using a special page, problems solved include:
  • It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages
Compliments would be reviewed before being shown. Inappropriate messages are vandalism and would be treated as such. Yes Solved
  • I have some questions about Google Forms security
No Google Forms. Yes Solved
  • Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)
Not a problem for me, it'll be fun! :) Yes Solved
  • And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging
Compliments are shown to everyone - only who submitted the compliment is hidden. Not private messaging. Yes Solved
  • If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work
Not very much more, and @jakel181 has been doing a great job on CT so far, I'm sure he wouldn't mind looking through the compliments before he posts them.
  • Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)
Not with a special page! Yes Solved
I think a special page is definitely the way to go. I believe the following are the only questions to really consider:
  • Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted?
    • If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate?
  • Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
    • If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
This concludes my post.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
I think we should allow EW/Admins/Bureaucrats see in some fashion. (Maybe not all but a couple)
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  12:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

  • Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted? -Yes, they are. (I don't need it :P)
    • If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate? -It's named as "be shy" :)
  • Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)

-No, we don't because S:JOIN-if somebody want to send a message, they must join and login to the Wiki.

    • If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.

-They can use Scratch profiles to send a message - it's only a Wiki about Scratch.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 17:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

No No clear resolution
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 22:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Welcome templates

No Limit not yet negotiated

A lot of people have their own "welcome" templates that they post on new users' talk pages. This is a great idea, because new users can get to know new people and, of course, feel welcomed. However, the welcoming effect starts diminishing when things like this happen:

That's a lot of welcomes.PNG

10 different people jumping on the new user is too much - it's not welcoming, it's downright scary! How would you feel if you created an account somewhere and you were confronted with a wall of "welcome"s?

To counteract this, I don't propose forbidding welcomes entirely; what I instead think should be the case is that we have a limit on how many welcome messages can be on a talk page - probably around 4-5 at the most. That does mean it turns into a race as to who can get their message on first, but that can't be helped - if you want to get your message in, ya gotta be active at the right time.

I don't think there's much room for debate on the necessity of the limit, but what can be bargained is the limit itself - how many topics do you think is too many?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I think that a limit of 4-5 is a great idea :) I still remember when I started the messages really confused me. Also, I'd say that if you post a welcome message, it should have a variation of the simple title "Welcome!". I tried to make mine a bit different. I like the "All aboard!" one. Maybe we could say if there are more than eight messages already, really don't put one, but if there are 4-5 try not to put your template, but a personal message is okay.
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
21:06, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
I see this level of enthusiasm as very exciting. While it may be a little intimidating, I look at it more as a great way to integrate yourself with the community immediately and meeting many of the people who you will be working with side-by-side. Nonetheless, I would love to see more data on this and interview some people on their experiences regarding this to see if it does have a negative impact.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
As we are bargaining for this, I was just wondering what we'll be doing now. Should we be limiting welcomes now? Or do we continue welcoming as much as we can :D?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
While the rule is still merely proposed, it is not yet a rule. Welcomes are unlimited until this is put in force.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
It has happened again...
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs  Scratch 
20:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── maybe a way to avoid this is to make the section named a bit different??
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 21:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Can't we make a User_talk:ACCEPTEDUSER/Welcomes page?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,650)) 20:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
That doesn't actually cause a ping tho...
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
We could make it ping though if there is someone willing to mess with the code...
Smileycreations15 Profile Icon.png smileycreations15 (talk | contribs) 11:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
I was just scrolling through the CP, and this caught my eye. Great idea, I definitely think this needs to be considered. I understand that people are just trying to be kind by sending the welcome messages, but it would almost be like a horror film for the person who owns the account. I think 4-5 welcome templates are enough, but I think there needs to be a break between even those. Getting 4-5 welcomes in a couple of seconds is also not the best of ideas.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 17:55, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Block Problems

No Not done, as blocks are still unfinished or broken
Today I started to finish up the script for How to Evaluate an Expression, and things got out of hand. When I first completed it, I realized I did some of the block loops wrong, and it like wrapped around some things that I didn't want to wrap around, while I also couldn't get this one if then else block to wrap around something else — it was all a mess. I cleaned some of it up, but I am afraid I'll make it worse and I already spent more than an hour on it. Also, I have to save it each time I want to check if it is correct, since for some reason the blocks won't load up in Show preview mode (it appears in code) but loads when the changes are saved. Can somebody please fix up the script to match the one in post #19 in this forum topic?
TenType (talk | contribs) 04:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

The blocks still don't match the one in the post, I tried again on my sandbox and it still does not cut out. Anyone who is an expert at doing this?
TenType (talk | contribs) 05:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
You can use this page.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 07:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Curse Garamol56 for not using forum scratchblocks!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
@Ahmetlii That website may come in handy...
@kenny2scratch Yes, it is so exhausting to convert it into proper scratchblocks!
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

TinyPic is closing down

I'm not sure how many pages this messes up but you should all know that TinyPic is closing down :(
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  19:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Dang, could you name some examples of pages that use TinyPic?
1a3c5e7g9i's Armemedillo 1a3c5e7g9i(Talk|Contributions) 23:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
In case you don't know: Scratch Wiki has its own image hosting (Wiki server) and does not use TinyPic(or cubeupload or anything else) at all.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 03:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
@1a3c5e7g9i I forget the names right now, but theres one about image hosting I know for sure.
@Apple502j I know, but there are informational pages that will be incorrect.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  14:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
It looks like Jammum updated Image Hosting: see Special:Redirect/revision/231829. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh my god I know (but I use cubeupload). So what should we do?
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 01:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Simply put, update the pages that mention Tinypic to say that it's closing down (even though we should've already done that).
1a3c5e7g9i's Armemedillo 1a3c5e7g9i(Talk|Contributions) 19:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yes Problem Solved!
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 22:34, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

AF Link Proposal

For April Fools pages, could we convert regular links in the page to the April Fools one instead, if possible?

But we shouldn't go on a massive editing spree for this - only change the links if we stumble upon them or add new ones.
TenType (talk | contribs) 16:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I think that depends on the person that creates the page, but I think that April Fools pages aren't that huge of a deal to change every link, even if stumbled upon. Also, most pages don't have an alternate April Fools page to begin with.
Jedibrine Logo.png Jedibrine  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  05:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Support.

Smileycreations15 Profile Icon.png smileycreations15 (talk | contribs) 12:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
@Jedibrine: Sorry, by "stumbling upon", I meant when we add/modify the contents of an AF page. I don't want too many edits of just converting links.
Also, this will make AF pages more lively and humorous in a way. I myself have been disappointed in the past clicking on a link on an AF page, but found out that it led to a regular article.
And even if there isn't an alternate AF page, so what? We could just add the regular link for now, and then when it gets created, we could change it.
TenType (talk | contribs) 16:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I thought that on April Fools Day, then if you clicked a link, it would lead to the April Fools version of that page if there is one...
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
22:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
No no, that's not what I meant. What I meant was when you click on a link that's on an AF page, it leads you to the regular page, and my proposal is that we should change those links (once again on AF pages) to lead to the AF version of the link, if possible. Even if this could be rendered useless on April 1st, it still would be more humorous for users who browse AF pages.
TenType (talk | contribs) 00:48, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I don't think this is a good idea. What benefit will this bring? This change would mean that on AF Day, every mainspace page would be linking to the AF subpage instead of linking to other real pages. Then any normal user would suddenly be taken to some cryptic page titled "Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Ignatious Q. Higgenbotham" and not know what they were looking at. Plus, the {{April Fools}} template (which is on every mainspace page with an AF version) shows a header saying "this is a joke, scroll to the bottom for the real article"; the {{AF}} template (which is on the AF versions of mainspace pages) does not. Linking to AF versions from mainspace would remove the ability for educators, New Scratchers, and other members of our audience to get some serious help that they just happened to need on AF Day.

That's my two cents.

BTW, @TenType, there's a shortcut for {{th}} for 1, it's {{st}}. There are also {{nd}} and {{rd}} for convenience.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:17, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't think everyone knows what I'm saying. Only on AF pages should we link to other AF pages; why would we link AF pages from mainspace?
TenType (talk | contribs) 16:04, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Dude. AF pages get transcluded into mainspace on AF Day. The links remain unchanged upon transclusion.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
16:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Welp, yes, but this would also benefit users who browse AF pages when it's not AF day.
TenType (talk | contribs) 17:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't really know that many people that browse AF pages outside of AF day, and there are ways for people to access AF pages if they really need to. If people want to reach a page on AF day, all they will find are AF pages.
Jedibrine Logo.png Jedibrine  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  04:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
I've made a change to the {{April Fools}} template (the one that goes on mainspace) so that it shows a little icon in the top right that links to the AF version. That should make things easier for the minority that browses AF pages, which substitutes the only real benefit of this; therefore I shall consider this Yes Done.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! August 1th, 2019

Welcome to the 21st Thankful Thursday! August 1st, 2019.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs)
4199531979353717123 (talk | contribs)
TenType (talk | contribs)
jvvg (talk | contribs)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The next TT is August 29th. See you then!


Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes Done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Isn't that supposed to be August 1st?
TenType (talk | contribs) 17:54, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Split Help talk:Welcome/4

Help talk:Welcome/4 is used by new Wikians to test out using talk pages. But, there is also a real discussion on the page named 'Blanking' (although before the actual discussion, there are a few talk page tests).

I suggest that all test discussions should be moved to its own talk page (that is a sub-page of the real talk page), which could be named something like 'Help talk:Welcome/4/Testing'.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - 🔧 Contribs) 07:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

They really should!
God286 (talk | contribs) 06:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
I disagree - besides posting on talk pages, New Wikians should also learn how to get to them. If they have to additionally navigate to a subpage, they might be misimpressioned that they have to do that with all talk pages. At the most maybe indicate at the top of the page that real discussions should go in a subpage.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:46, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

New Featured Images

No Not done

Hey! Soon, on August 12th, it'll have been a month since we updated the Featured Images yet. This time, I don't want to do them late like I have in the past, so does anyone have any suggestions? :D
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

A photo of somewhere tropical.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't understand - is this a joke (if it isn't, I'm not trying to offend; simply trying to understand)? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
It is.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 13:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
The _:))_ emoji. Looks nice and funny.
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 01:23, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
You mean literally feature the :) picture? I guess that works LOL
I'd suggest File:Statistic Rollover Info.png because it looks cool and has a random interesting piece of info :)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:42, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
It's been August 12th, does that mean this discussion is now for the next featured image change? Or can this be archived?
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 18:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-archive TIME!

FYI These CPND topics are to be archived:

And don't forget S:CPSYS!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 01:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Wow, a lot of pages in the Not Done section can be archived! :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:26, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes Done!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Minor Change to S:CONTRIB

Yes Done

S:CONTRIB says "Creating an email is encouraged if you haven't already. You will need it if you forget your password.", but the passwords are emailed now, I believe - so I believe it should say something like "Creating an email is encouraged if you haven't already. You will need it to receive your password." What does everyone think? Or am I missing something? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:33, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

It's required.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,650)) 16:36, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, so maybe we should put "Creating an email is required" instead. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
I have no objections.  
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,650)) 16:41, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't be encouraged since it's mandatory like Banana said.
TenType (talk | contribs) 23:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Right. :) I'll just change it and if anyone realizes that it shouldn't have been done, we could change it back. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes Done - does it look okay?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Well Yes Done for spotting and fixing that! I'm completely happy with the changes.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
23:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday - Participate!

Hi everyone!

Those who have been following Wiki Wednesday closely might have noticed that we introduced a new section in July, "Participate!". Our goals are to

  • increase community engagement with the Wiki Wednesday event
  • reduce (the relative amount of) spam on the topic
  • show people that they can use the Wiki to answer many questions
  • get more people interested in joining the Wiki by inspiring them with interesting questions/ topics that need coverage

In July's participate we asked people to ask questions, try to answer them with the Wiki or otherwise answer if they can. We got some interesting questions:

> Answered by wiki

  • Where is the remix tree?
  • What is the Wiki?
  • What is Wiki Wednesday?
  • Who invented Scratch?

> Answered by community

  • Troubleshooting on MacBook
  • Changing the profile picture on a tablet
  • How many studios can someone create?
  • How to make a thumbnail (that is not visible once the Green Flag was clicked) for a project

> Unanswered

  • When are Scratch Updates launched?
  • Branding Tips
  • Project ideas
  • Wall detection platformer tutorial
  • Make a bullet follow a player
  • Full game tutorials
  • How to draw in Scratch
  • What did the ST expect people to do with studios?
  • How to get hacked blocks

As you see some of the unanswered questions could have been answered using the Wiki - oh well, they were burried beneath spam I guess...

This month's Participate! is to give us feedback on last month's participate and Wiki Wednesday in general. It would be great if the Wiki Community could participate :) On the Wiki Wednesday post: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/368257/ post your feedback! You can also make suggestions for future Participat! sections. Or say if you don't think Participate! is useful and try and develop another strategy. Thanks all!

--
LiFaytheGoblin (talk | contribs) 17:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Cool-cat-emoji.png Very cool!! Even though I didn't participate in last month's "Participate!", I will make sure to participate next time! (This sounds like a great idea btw!) :D
TenType (talk | contribs) 01:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Scratch down

Anyone know why the Scratch website is down? I’m at school, so I can’t check the Twitter posts.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs  Scratch 
16:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't know. When I got on at about 1:10, it said down for maintenance, and then I just checked back to get to the Twitter posts and it's back up again, at 1:11. Weird.
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
17:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Maybe your school banned Scratch since there a games there.
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 01:22, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
No, it was down, like down for maintenance. Not banned. I wasn't at school anyway.
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
16:54, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Maybe this?
Jedibrine Logo.png Jedibrine  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  04:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
It happened when 2.0 was turning into 3.0, but by the date of the post, I don't think the reason was due to that.
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Statistics - New Zealand

I think we need to write in this page that New Zealand is cut off massively, and can not really be seen. It's quite noticeable!
God286 (talk | contribs) 06:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Actually, this is a common thing done in corporate - New Zealand frequently doesn't constitute a large statistic, and its presence extends the map a lot, so it is commonly deliberately left out of statistics maps. You can tell the ST to add it back, I guess, for all the good it'll do :P
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:39, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
It's statistics can hardly be seen, due to the fact you have to hover your mouse on a little dot.
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Giving Credit on the Wiki

No Not done I think that we should make a template for credit like this:

Remix notice 3.0.png Credit to Scratch-Coding for this template.

. It would be helpful. We could use the remix button image instead of the one I have.
Scratch-CodingProfilePic.png Scratch-Coding (Talk |Scratch |(374 edits) 00:09, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

When and where will it be used?
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 01:05, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
What would you use this for, and why? The wiki is a collaboration and we all own a part of it. No one owns a article unless they created it on there userspace where they can so whatever they want with it.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  01:13, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Templates are mainly created for mainspace Wiki articles — when and why would this be needed?
TenType (talk | contribs) 01:58, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
It would be used on userspaces, giving credit for a image, and giving credit for an example.
Scratch-Coding (talk | contribs) 17:44, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
You can use it on your userspace but I don't think it's necessary. Btw: What did you do to your signature? It's broken.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  20:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
This wouldn't be that beneficial to the Wiki, especially if it is mostly used on userspace. I still disagree.
TenType (talk | contribs) 04:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Who would use it?
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think this is necessary. If you need to credit someone you don't need a template. Furthermore, you wouldn't need to credit anyone on mainspace, this is collaborative and we don't get/need credit for what we write here.
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
15:26, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Watchlist token not Working

It claims to let me see my watchlist when I search it on the web, but it shows nothing at all.
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Nope. The token is used for RSS - not web viewing.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 14:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Oh, thanks!
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

How to use Scratch to host images?

It says right here that we can host images on scratch.mit.edu, but I don't know how. Could anyone teach me? Thanks!
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

You can use images hosted in scratch.mit.edu (project thumbnails, studio thumbnails, user icons, etc.), but you can't upload images there.
Scramaso (talk | contribs) 16:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
For example, your user profile picture on Scratch can be found at this link: (look at the url)
Jedibrine Logo.png Jedibrine  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  02:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
And Scratch images can also be directly embedded here too :) 17528194_20x20.png
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
I accidentally embedded it here first when I was trying to show the url lol
Jedibrine Logo.png Jedibrine  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  02:13, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
We are currently coming up with a good way to host future images for our Wiki Wednesday release.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:34, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Tinkercad Codeblocks

Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
LiamSapp123 (talk | contribs) 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Maybe we should have one about Blockly
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

October 2019 EW Election

Overview

On behalf of all the Scratch Wiki admins and EWs, I am happy to announce that the seventh Experienced Wikian elections will be held in this month of October, 2019.

You can find the most relevant information on the election page: Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019 and the nomination page. Visit this page to learn more about being an Experienced Wikian: Scratch Wiki:Experienced Wikians

Rationale

This election is for mostly the same reason as the February 2018 elections. I (kenny2scratch) have now started 11th grade, and the level of stress is really high - this is the year where the vast majority of learning goes on. I'm not withdrawing or retiring from the Wiki like jvvg has, but I will definitely have to be far less active.

Now, the EWs elected in June have done their job very well - but I'm sure they'd love some help. Also, in the last election there was an experience imbalance - the candidates joined the Wiki in 2015, 2017, and 2018; additionally, at the time other nominees couldn't become candidates because of lack of experience. After three months, we feel confident that nominees will have more experience.

Expectations/Hopes

EWs elected in this election should be able to dedicate a set amount of time each day to patrolling edits made that day. Though all edits from each day must be patrolled, the elects need not patrol them all by themselves. Instead, they should coordinate with myself and other admins and EWs to patrol the day's edits.

Elects should also:

  • Know the account request process well (processing account requests is what the entire EW role was created for)
  • Have a certain amount of activity per day outside of patrolling. Edits made in the course of patrolling are usually enough.
  • Know how to gently/nicely/politely correct new users' behavior
    • No: "Please remember to indent. You did not indent on User's talk page."
    • Yes: "Hi, I just saw your message on User's talk page. Your comment was rather [positive adjective], but I just want to mention that when replying to other people's posts we usually..."

Conclusion

Nominations open at 12:00 AM UTC on October 5 (which is 8pm Scratch Time on October 4). Good luck, and may the best candidates win!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Another one? It feels like we just did the last! Nevertheless, I'll nominate myself when it's open.
MClovers (talk | contribs) 04:38, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
It is unprecedented, to have two elections in such a short time, but the rationale is valid.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:44, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Cool, looking forward to see who the candidates are.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  20:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Wow, this quick? I'll be waiting for nominations to open then :D
TenType (talk | contribs) 02:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Wait, question for Ken- so EWs will be elected or undecided?
TenType (talk | contribs) 04:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Whoops, just read the election page. Carry on! :P
TenType (talk | contribs) 04:43, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yay, I didn't miss it this time...
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs  Scratch 
11:17, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

How do I nominate myself (once the page opens)?
54329 (talk | contribs) 15:04, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
You go to the nomination page.
TenType (talk | contribs) 15:24, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Got it! Thanks! :)
54329 (talk | contribs) 15:39, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

Nominations open

Nominations are now open! Please see Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Nominations. Nominations close on October 12 (next Saturday).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Nominations close this Saturday! If you are unsure, you have a little over one more day to make up your mind.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:03, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

Candidates

Nominations are closed! After much deliberation by the admins and current EWs, here is the list of candidates (in alphabetical order) in the June 2019 election:

  • apple502j
  • Jammum
  • MClovers
  • TenType

Candidates: Start writing your speeches! Once you have written your speech and are happy with what it says, post it in a reply here. Remember that speeches must be no more than 108 words and not break any rules stated on the election page. If you like, you can post your speech multiple times - your last reply here that you mark as your official speech will be the speech displayed on the election page. You have until October 19 to write and post and/or revise your speech.

Everyone else: There's nothing for you to do right now - voting starts on October 19. Check back in a week!

(Edit: your speeches will only be displayed on the election page at the start of the voting period.)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:48, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey there! My name's TenType. I have a lot of experience on the Scratch Wiki, such as cleaning up existing articles, helping users around the Wiki, fixing Wiki markup, and much more. Since I'm one of the most active users on the Wiki and moderate every edit that goes into Recent Changes, I believe I would be an excellent fit as an EW for patrolling, handling account requests, and maintaining the Wiki. Lastly, I consider myself to be a hard worker- meaning I would be great for repetitive tasks such as deleting unused/redirecting files. Vote TenType for EW!
TenType (talk | contribs) 21:17, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I'm an well-known apple, apple502j. Being an admin for more than years on Japanese wiki, my knowledge on how to moderate Wiki, including ConfirmAccounts, is so huge. I look at Recent Changes almost every day using my free time and I'm sure I'm the best person for patrolling task. I have created many articles here and joined many discussions around the Wiki since two years ago. Also, my timezone is UTC+9; similar to Ken's, so I can help his jobs at the almost same time. Make the Wiki nice like an apple, by Voting Apple.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 07:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Wikians! It is a great honour to be a candidate for this EW election. I have been on the Scratch Wiki for nearly a year (at the time of writing this) made over a thousand edits, so I have enough experience. If I get elected, I will do many helpful actions, such as putting lots of effort into helping out and improving this wiki, answer everyone's questions and more. I will carefully read account requests and fix other's spelling and grammar. Finally, I will aim to be on this wiki daily and will only use new privileges for the greater good of the wiki.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - 🔧 Contribs) 14:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi fellow wikians! I'm @MClovers but you can call me Alpha. I'm so happy that I was considered as a candidate for the election! I just want to thank the current EW's and admins for choosing me as a candidate, It means a lot to me! Anyways, let's get onto my speech. I've been on the Scratch wiki for over 2 years now and I've enjoyed every second of it! I believe that the wiki is not just a place to get information but a whole community. Following this belief, I know how to manage online communities. I have a popular community known as 'ShopBux'. I won't get into what it actually is but the core of it is a thriving online community with over 300 pages and around 20 employees. I am a bit of a computer geek as well so I spend a lot of time on my laptop, meaning I am able to be on the wiki on command. Relating to this, my timezone is NZT so you can figure out when I'll be able to get on. I have the ability to correct users politely as I believe that new wikians may be put off if an EW came to them and attacked them. I can easily learn things so this will mean me learning every single nook and cranny of being an EW. Relating to this, I love learning new things so I will enjoy this position. My activity on this wiki will skyrocket as I understand the dedication required to be an EW. I will also try to reccomend the ideas of users to the other EWs and admins. Remember to #VoteAlpha if you want a say in how this online community is run!
MClovers (talk | contribs) 03:49, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
@MClovers, two problems with your speech:
  1. Your username is MClovers, not AlphaZetta. "#VoteAlpha" doesn't really make sense in this context.
  2. The word limit for speeches is 108 words. Your speech is 290 - over twice the limit.
In any case, thank you all for your speeches - you now have until this Saturday to revise them. The last reply of yours here that you mark as your official speech will be used on the election page.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────<Latest Speech>Hello Wikians, I'm an well-known apple, apple502j. Being an admin for more than two years on Japanese wiki, my knowledge on how to moderate Wiki, including ConfirmAccounts, is so huge. I look at Recent Changes almost every day using my free time and I'm sure I'm the best person for patrolling task. I have created many articles here and joined many discussions around the Wiki since two years ago. Also, my timezone is UTC+9; similar to Ken's, so I can help his jobs at the almost same time. Make the Wiki nice like an apple, by Voting Apple.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 05:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

<Latest Speech>Hi, I'm @MClovers! Thanks for choosing me! I've been on the Scratch wiki for over 2 years now! The wiki is not just a wiki but a whole community. I can manage communities. I have a community known as 'ShopBux'. It's an online community with an active following. I can get on the wiki on command. I correct users politely. I learn quickly so I can get to know the position. I love learning new things so I will enjoy this position. I understand the dedication required to be an EW. I will recommend the ideas of users to wiki staff. #VoteMCL if you want a voice!
MClovers (talk | contribs) 07:51, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

Voting Open

The deadline has passed! The candidates for the October 2019 election have written their speeches. View them on the election page.

Candidates: There's nothing for you to do now but hope. Remember that you are not allowed to do any sort of self-promotion anywhere.

Everyone else: Voting has opened! If your account was created before October 5, click here to vote! Voting closes on October 26.

Good luck to all candidates!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:27, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Last day of voting! If you want to have a say in who your new EWs are, make sure to vote!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:26, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

Election Results

Voting is closed! The votes have been tallied, and our two new Experienced Wikians have been chosen! drumroll...

Congratulations to apple502j (talk | contribs) and TenType (talk | contribs), who won with 98 and 72 points! You will receive messages shortly explaining your new permissions and expectations, and then your usergroups will be changed.

More detailed results can be found here: Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Results

Thus concludes the October 2019 Experienced Wikian elections! Thank you to everyone who participated, be it candidates or voters. Goodbye!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks everyone!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 06:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you everyone!
TenType (talk | contribs) 18:32, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Congrats!
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  13:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Broken Link

In Scratch_Books the link for the book Coding for Beginners Using Scratch is broken. It apears that the company took down the book's page for a new book release which is updated for 3.0 I can never get the web archives to work for me so I thought I would tell all of you to decide what to do.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  21:08, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

I can't find it with the web archiver; it seems like it wasn't notable enough to document. I would suggest removing the book from the page entirely.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:19, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for your advise. Since the book isn't for sale anymore on their website it's probably the right thing to do.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  00:19, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Does Image Hosting page need change?

In the Image Hosting page it seems that Xomf is still under the 'Pending review' section. According to this forum post by Paddle2See, they've tried to add Xomf but it didn't work. I think that this would make the wiki page out of date. Should I change it?
MClovers (talk | contribs) 19:37, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, go ahead.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  19:51, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Looks like they're trying for imgbb.com right now.
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
23:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
I know, I started it.
MClovers (talk | contribs) 00:21, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Show Preview Loading

Is it just me, or is "Show preview" loading slower and slower as time progresses? At first, since I was using a phone to edit, I thought it was just the side effect of editing on mobile. However, I tried using "Show preview" on my two other laptops and the same happened- I clicked "Show preview", then the gray loading circle would pop up. It takes a VERY long time to load and sometimes won't even load at all. If you click on it again, the circle would disappear and the preview would still not be shown. "Save changes" and "Show changes" works just fine. Is anyone else experiencing this and if someone else is, then could this be fixed?

At this very moment, I clicked "Show preview" and it is still loading... and loading... :(
TenType (talk | contribs) 23:45, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

On desktop, works normally for me... loaded as instantly as any other submit function.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:52, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
It's starting to work more often now... probably some issues with connecting or something else.
TenType (talk | contribs) 21:19, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

What happened to link previews?

No Not done They don't seem to be showing up for me at all anymore. Anybody else?
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
02:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Same here. Did someone turn it off?
TenType (talk | contribs) 04:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Also not getting previews (or at least when I tried it on Image Hosting, linked above). I'll ping jvvg (since he was the one who enabled them).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Any reply from jvvg yet?
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
01:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Should the EW election nomination talk page be protected from New Wikians?

New Wikians are ineligible from running in EW elections. Should the nominations talk page of it be protected to prevent them from nominating themselves?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - 🔧 Contribs) 15:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

But will new wikians even nominate, that's the thing... Other than that, I think this should happen. It will make things a bit easier.
God286 (talk | contribs) 20:30, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
They will!
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,650)) 20:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Future questions like this go on the election talk page, not the CP.
To answer the question, yes. I've protected it.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:25, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes Done
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,650)) 15:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Delete these files please


Yes Done Can any of you guys delete these files?:
https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:My_Broom_I_Guess_(For_April_Fools)_(Dilek10).jpg
https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:ALL_HAIL_DA_SEMICOLON!!!!1(Dilek10).jpg
Thanks if you do so.
Dilek10 (talk | contribs) 18:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

In the future, either post this kind of thing on Admin Requests, or just use the {{delete}} template on the file. Yes Done by banana439monkey.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:56, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

How to make a new page on your account

Yes Done

How do you make a new page on the Scratch Wiki on your account?


Legogo7777 (talk | contribs) 03:23, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi, welcome back to the Wiki! You can just navigate to the subpage e.g. by following this redlink or typing it into the address bar, then editing and saving the page. Hope that helps :)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

New Curator

The Scratch News needs updated, the new curator is scratch-explored (started Monday, I believe).
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
10:55, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

jvvg is moving his scripts for his bot (see User talk:jvvg for more info). An EW may have to change it for now.
TenType (talk | contribs) 05:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

The AF Button

It is very cluttering and bothersome, I don't like it and it confusioning the new members.

Please remove
DeleteThisAcount (talk | contribs) 11:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

what in salamander Jimmy's name are you talking about
also nobody will do anything if you ask them like that, can you ask more nicely?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:34, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I think he means the little teeny tiny April Fools' button? Somehow cluttering pages (in a space that is essentially ineditable)? That we just added?
what in salamander Jimmy's name
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
23:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
I think DeleteThisAcount possibly clicked "New topic" or "Send a message" button and could not remove.I will create a topic on DeleteThisAcount's talk page.
what in salamander Jimmy's name(What's meaning of this?)
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 23:48, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
The AF button in the corner is confusing and cluttering pages?
what in salamander Jimmy's name(it means that something could not be understood lol)
TenType (talk | contribs) 01:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
"what in the name of X" or "what in X's name" just means something along the lines of "what on earth" - it's a way of emphasizing "what". "Salamander Jimmy" is something Turkey3 once said on the CP.
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12:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Sorry so much for how the message was delivered, I was half asleep. I believe I was refering to the little rage icon on the front page that brings you to the April Fools pages. I thought that it was cluttering up the otherwise clean front page of the wiki. (And also with something that someone somewhere might consider to be rude as the icon shows a person saying the first two letters of a very not so nice word)
DeleteThisAcount (talk | contribs) 20:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
I can agree to that, it is kind of cluttered and I would rather have it gone.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Maybe this button could be moved somewhere?
TenType (talk | contribs) 02:57, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

First off, does it actually bother anyone that much? I don't notice it at all - it's a white image on a light background.
Second, if you were to look at the full-sized image you would see that the icon actually says "APRIL FOOOOOOOOOOOOOLS DAYYY" rather than what you think.
Third, I partially meant that icon as a way of introducing the idea of April Fools' pages to people who actually notice it - a fun thing to find out, like "hey the Wiki does April Fools too".
Fourth, the other purpose of the icon is its main one - a convenient link to the April Fools' version of the page. It's much harder to type "Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Scratch Wiki Home" into the address bar than it is to click "Scratch Wiki Home" then the rage icon.
I like it where it is; I guess I'm not strongly opposed to moving it somewhere else on the main page, but it serves its purpose best in its current state.
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01:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion for a new Scratch block: StringBuilder‎‎

Hello fellow Scratch Wiki users,

I’ve been using Scratch over the past couple of years and I noticed something quite frustrating: Text. It is really hard to portray graphical text in scratch that can easily be modified(ex. a sprite that dynamically changes it’s text based on the user input.)

Right now, there are only a few, limited choices with drawbacks:

1) Using the say block

Using the say block will trigger the particular sprite to mention user-specified text(ex. Hello!). This method is simple, and easily able to dynamically change, but it comes with a few drawbacks. It is really hard in itself to customize the text, in ways like changing the size, color, and font. Furthermore, the text will always appear in a text bubble above the existing sprite, hindering it’s usability in many programs.

2) Preparing code to make dynamic text

In addition, people using scratch can develop their own typography to display dynamically. The procedure can be done by making the 26 costumes in an “Alphabet” sprite either by hand or using the existing typography. After the process, a “cloning” function can be made to generate the desired text. This is the other alternative to using speech bubbles, and it appears in various other types of games. Unfortunately, it is really hard customizing features like size and font, because every other costume will be needed to be changed into the desired style. Moreover, getting the word function to actually work can also be a problem.


A hybrid of some sorts should be made, to further enhance the efficiency of the Scratch language we have come to know and love!

StringBuilder!

My proposed idea, StringBuilder, can be a hybrid between the two options, having the ease of dynamically changing and generating the text itself with having it being it’s own sprite!

To elaborate, StringBuilder should be a special type of sprite put into the “Add Sprite” button, so that users can get it themselves. It should also come with it’s own blocks and settings.

when green flag clicked
set StringBuilder text to [Hello World]
set StringBuilder height = [100]
set StringBuilder font to [Arial v]
set StringBuilder language to [English v]
set StringBuilder color to Red: [0] Green: [0] Blue: [0]
add[hello] to [StringBuilder 1 v] starting at index (1)
remove String at index (1) for [StringBuilder 1 v]
wrap text when <>

I know these blocks aren’t perfect, so I am open to new suggestions!

Thank You, Dewball

Hi Dewball! Sorry, but suggestions for Scratch are more suitable in the Suggestions Forum. I've moved your page to a topic on the CP here. In the future, for Wiki-related topics use the Community Portal. For Scratch-related topics, use the Discussion Forums. Don't create an article about it! Thanks! :)
For other editors who are wondering about this, it was originally created on a mainspace article then moved to a topic here.
TenType (talk | contribs) 03:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

AF Home new News

What if we add new News to the April's Fools home?
Scramaso (talk | contribs) 14:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Nothing stopping you! The AF news aren't protected.
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01:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Protect Welcome pages from New Wikians

I recently reverted 2 edits that a New Wikian made. They were presumably test edits, but I think they could be mistaken for vandalising. To prevent edits like these, I think the Welcome pages (except the talk page for testing making talk page edits) should be protected from New Wikians, so they cannot make edits like those again.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - 🔧 Contribs) 16:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree, however they aren't really high traffic pages.
TenType (talk | contribs) 01:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes Done - protected all the subject pages and none of the talk pages.
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01:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! November 4th, 2019

Welcome to the 22nd Thankful Thursday! November 4th, 2019.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
Smileycreations15 (talk | contribs)
EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for uploading so many new files/versions of files! :D It's really appreciated!
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:43, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Archaoneverchosen (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for your constructive edits to pages! You're starting off great! :D
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:07, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
banana439monkey (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for everything you have done as new EW, like accepting new account requests, helping both new and old users, and patrolling edits.
    NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 23:55, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
jakel181 (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you again for running Thankful Thursday! It's truly made the wiki a better place. I also commend you on your achievements as new EW.
    NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 23:55, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The next TT is November 28th. See you then!


Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

No Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 14:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Just trying to help...

Yes Done
Shouldn't the front page section Scratch Program be The Scratch Program? This is a tiny edit, so it won't take long.
Mohie (talk | contribs) 20:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi, your signature was somehow broken. Maybe using ~~~~?
I think "the" can be omitted in that case.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,109edit 17:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay Apple. I tried using the tildies.
On the other hand, ok. Are you sure that is grammatically correct? I'm not very sure, though I'm not exactly the best at Grammer...
Mohie (talk | contribs) 20:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
I don't think that the title should be grammatically correct as it is just a title...
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  02:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
In my opinion, it doesn't really matter much.
TenType (talk | contribs) 02:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
I don't think it really matters.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  01:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Scratch program image

No Not done
The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
Mohie (talk | contribs)

Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.
-unsigned comment by 12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this?
TenType (talk | contribs) 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.


Mohie (talk | contribs) 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Raw Watchlist

Yes Done

Whenever I edit the raw watchlist, any user talk and main page talk pages are removed whenever I save. Are the talk pages automatically watched underneath the main pages?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Watching any page automatically watches its corresponding subject/talk page too. Thus watching the CP also watches Scratch Wiki:Community Portal.
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03:37, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay, thanks
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:50, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Privacy Policy Article

No Not done

We should probably delete this article. It's just a copy of the Scratch Privacy Policy and doesn't add anything to it. Furthermore, the article is outdated and is actually (presumably) the old Scratch Privacy Policy.

I don't want to delete an article without asking some more experienced people first, and I don't know if I even have the permission to delete articles. What do you guys think?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 00:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

I think it should be deleted. We could make an FAQ page, saying "What is Scratch's privacy policy?", give a short answer, and link to the full thing.
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
01:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
This would be better in Talk:Privacy Policy, but okay.
I'm gonna have to wait for Ken's response on this, though I do agree with your argument.
TenType (talk | contribs) 03:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
I did make a post on the talk page, but I wanted more people to see it
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
I think that EIephant_Lover's idea is good, but instead of deleting the page, we could just replace the current article with a short synopsis of the policy and a link, along with a disclaimer that "this is not a substitute for the actual Privacy Policy."
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 21:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Our article is 5th in rank in Google search results for "scratch privacy policy" (at least in my region), so I think if any redirecting happens it should be to the current title.
The ideal solution is to add our own content regarding the privacy policy. Could we explain each clause of the policy rather than (or in addition to) directly quoting it? Maybe give examples, or make the meaning clearer? I'm loath to delete an article that should have good use but just doesn't at the moment.
Side note: if you already posted on its talk page, and nobody responded, I think it's fair to get more attention on the issue by bringing it up here. You (Groko13) did the right thing here.
If there's no content that can be added, I still think it should stay - I don't actually have a problem with it being a straight-up copy of the Scratch policy - but I agree with Groko13 in adding a disclaimer that "this is not the actual Scratch privacy policy", and I would furthermore recommend adding another disclaimer that "this is not the Wiki privacy policy, that can be found here".
Sound good?
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01:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Talk page archives

Yes Done

How to archive a talk page?
Dilek's Wiki Signature Picture.pngDilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page 09:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

This is what I would do:
  1. Copy and delete all the discussions on the talk page
  2. Create a new page called User talk:Dilek/Archive 1
  3. Paste the discussions there with the {{archive header}} template
  4. Optional: Ask an admin to protect it
Hopefully I helped!
TenType (talk | contribs) 16:35, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks so much!
Dilek's Wiki Signature Picture.pngDilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page 17:11, 16 November 2019 (UTC)