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Here's some things that we need your help for.
 
Here's some things that we need your help for.
  
=== Are these done? ===
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=== Archive This!!!! ===
* [[S:CPND#Lack of curiosity at Scratch Wiki?]] - articles are made
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* [[S:CPND#Wiki Wednesday suggestion link should be on the left?]] - accepted
* [[S:CPND#Should "Griffpatch" become a wiki article?]] - seems rejected
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* [[S:CPND#Why doesn't the "CodeMirror" thing always work?]] - known bug
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* [[S:CPND#Assets Page]] - writer being inactive
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* [[S:CPND#Community Blocks Page in my Userspace]] - done
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* [[S:CPND#VisualEditor extension]] - accepted (when it's time)
  
 
=== <span id="Not done">Other Topics</span> ===
 
=== <span id="Not done">Other Topics</span> ===
 
Topics that are not listed above.
 
Topics that are not listed above.
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==== About Scratch 3.0 ====
 
==== About Scratch 3.0 ====
 
* [[S:CPND#A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All]]
 
* [[S:CPND#A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All]]
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==== About Wiki Management ====
 
==== About Wiki Management ====
 
===== Backend =====
 
===== Backend =====
* [[S:CPND#Mobile Device Skin & Responsive Design for Scratch-Wikis ?]]
 
 
* [[S:CPND#Embedding of Scratch Projects]]
 
* [[S:CPND#Embedding of Scratch Projects]]
* [[S:CPND#Things We have to Do]]
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===== Page Management =====
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* [[S:CPND#Help:Contents Is missing some help pages]]
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* [[S:CPND#Not Done doesn't get enough attention]]
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* [[S:CPND#Not Done]]
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* [[S:CPND#Split the Paint Article]]
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* [[S:CPND#New page for mall simulators]]
  
 
===== Rules =====
 
===== Rules =====
 
* [[S:CPND#custom signatures]]
 
* [[S:CPND#custom signatures]]
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* [[S:CPND#Account Request Notes]]
 
* [[S:CPND#We have to delete Fair Use]]
 
* [[S:CPND#We have to delete Fair Use]]
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* [[S:CPND#Relax S:NOSP even more]]
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* [[S:CPND#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]]
  
 
===== Interwiki =====
 
===== Interwiki =====
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{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 
{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 
:(I have edited this topic a little from its original version){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 
:(I have edited this topic a little from its original version){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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::Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
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:::Done.
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:::Updated the list as the author.{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
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::::Updated! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
  
 
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== Logging server faults ==
== New page for intro/outro ==
 
 
 
I think this is a big thing right know so should we have a main space article about intros/outros on one page or on two pages? Also will anyone help we write it?<br>{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 13:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:Hmmmm, are you talking about a intro/outro to a project?<scratchsig>NYCDOT</scratchsig> 20:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 
::Yes i am<br>{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 16:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:::{{not done}}{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 14:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 
::::It should be a single article called "Intros and Outros." "Intro" and "Outro" should redirect to it.{{User:Millie S/signature}} 17:08, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 
::::: I think a single article, to which the searches "Intro" and "Outro" direct to, would be good. It would be useful to Scratchers who don't know what they are and might try to search for one or the other but want to know about both.<br><scratchsig>SuperWhale123</scratchsig> 09:31, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::That is a good idea. <scratchsig>Sti_scratch</scratchsig> 04:45, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::::I'll help write if you want :) I think that's a swell idea! <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  01:18, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::::Shall we begin writing it? <scratchsig>Purple_Ember</scratchsig> 15:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::::}}Sure! I'm not sure what to do with new pages... do we just make the new page and just add to it or do we make it in a sandbox and add it all when it's done? The first one, right? <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  20:45, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:::::::::}} I believe so. Let me create the page real quick... <scratchsig>Purple_Ember</scratchsig> 22:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== English Scratch Club ==
 
 
{{not done}}
 
{{not done}}
  
The [https://scratch-dach.info/wiki/Scratch-Wiki:Scratch_Club Scratch club] is a weekly meeting among a group of Scratchers which are contributing actively to the Scratch Wiki and to Scratch in general. The meetings are used to discuss important issues, most notable was the discussion if the transition of the english Wiki should take place. Currently, the weekly meetings are held in German, but we used to have an international Scratch club following after the German one. An alternative could be to make it alternating every week between German and English. As a start, who of the English and international Wiki administrators would be interested in it and able to join? And what would be better: weekly every Monday at 9:00 PM CET or bi-weekly at 8:00 PM? Once I get a tendency about the ''if'' and ''when'', I will bring it up at the next German Scratch club, perhaps already next Monday. <scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 20:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:Aw man! I wish I was a admin. Well, I am pretty sure someone (Cough cough Kenny2scatch Cough Cough)<scratchsig>NYCDOT</scratchsig> 22:14, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:I would definitely like to join, but neither 8 or 9 PM CET work for me - I'm in Hong Kong, and 8PM CET is 3AM HKT... Best would be on weekends, since everyone's time is likely to be more flexible - on weekdays, we have work and school, but on weekends times that would normally be during work/school are usually ok. Would 2PM CET on Saturdays (or Sundays) be workable?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 
::Hey, I noticed where I live, that 8/9 PM is 3 PMEST(end of school day!), but 2PM CET is 8AMEST which is not good.<scratchsig>NYCDOT</scratchsig> 11:53, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:::I know this has been inactive for a ''very'' long time.
 
:::Neither 8 or 9 PM CET work for me either, as they are 12 and 1 PM, which is in the middle of the school day, and I am busy on the weekends at that time. How about an "always open" meeting where you can post anytime? {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 18:55, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::::FYI: Time for Scratch Club have now changed to every Wednesday, 8 PM CET <scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 11:40, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
== Not Done ==
 
{{not done}}<!-- lol -->
 
 
I know someone already brought it up...<br/>
 
Anyways, Not Done is not getting any attention. I know that Kenny2scratch already added “Things To Do” on the left sidebar, and the TOC of Not Done, yet no one seems to notice it. I think that we should release an announcement to all existing editors about ND, and all incoming users about ND on their welcome page. In fact, I’m going to add that to my welcome right now.<br/>
 
Any thoughts?{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 23:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 
:Nice idea, support! <br>{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 12:06, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 
::Thanks!{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 15:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 
:::Support, I think that is a great idea. <scratchsig>Purplewolves</scratchsig> 20:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 
::::Thanks for support!{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 22:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::No worries. <scratchsig>Purplewolves</scratchsig> 22:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::Support better way to mark not done. Should the TOC on the CP mark out all the not done discussions in a different text color, or something like that? One idea
 
::::::{{User:KrIsMa/Sig}}  03:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}
 
Perhaps make all of the Not Done topics have bold titles? That should attract attention to them for those who browse the TOC.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 
:Maybe what we could do is put the Not Done Topics in Red in the TOC of the CP, the done topics Green in the TOC of the CP, and the in progress discussions the blue color it currently is.{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 12:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 
::I agree with KrIsMa, Kenny2scratch, and NYCDOT on having some way to show which topics are done and which are not done, but how would we make topics show as a different color in the table of contents?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:31, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 
:::That...is a really good question. I have no idea. I really don't.{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 19:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 
 
== Suggestion: [[Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]] ==
 
 
It's as it says on the tin.
 
 
As part of this new revival of featured images (and leading on from [[#An Interval for Featured Images]], I propose that we create a page similar in concept to [[S:WWS]], where users leave new section saying which image they think deserve to be featured. This will clean up the CP (just slightly). At around the same time as Wiki Wednesday, the EWs/Bureaucrats review the suggestions and pick three images which will then to onto [[S:FI]]. If necessary, we could also edit the current Wiki Wednesday suggestion forum post to incorporate Featured Images too.
 
 
What do you think?{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:24, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:This is a great idea! '''+1!''' {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:23, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 
::Yes!{{User:Millie S/signature}} 18:12, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:::Thank you! Any bits that need improving?{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 18:26, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 
::::I think the featured images are too minor to have a dedicated projectspace page. I propose instead to have a miscellaneous "homepage tasks" page (or something like that) where you can suggest news items, featured images, and edits to other things that appear on the homepage. Does that sound better?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 19:51, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::good idea{{User:Millie S/signature}} 19:53, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::Nice idea, {{done|support}}{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 21:46, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}
 
@Ken won't a homepage tasks page just get cluttered up? If they had to filter through edits and news items to find featured images, wouldn't it be harder for the admins? Also, having a dedicated project space is better because it's a) more obvious to Wiki Editors what the page is for, and seems less boring and gruelling than "homepage tasks", which sounds like just a big long list of stuff to do. And b) it would be easier for editors to suggest, because having a clearer Featured Image Suggestions would be more obvious to others what has already been suggested and what hasn't, et cetera. And c) having a dedicated page would make it so much easier to implement into the current WW forum post.{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 08:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:We could have [[Scratch Wiki:Homepage Tasks]] and have there be a section for featured images, news things, and any other sections that may be needed. Then it wouldn't be as messy (if there were sections). Then we could make a shortcut called [[S:FEATUREDIMAGESUGGESTIONS]] (although that's a pretty long "shortcut") and have it redirect to [[Scratch Wiki:Homepage Tasks#Featured Image Suggestions]]. Or we could have [[Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]] redirect to [[Scratch Wiki:Homepage Tasks#Featured Image Suggestions]]. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:32, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 
::If we're talking about shortcuts, how about [[S:FIS]], since [[S:FI]] redirects to the featured images?{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 08:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:::Yeah, that'd probably be good. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 
::::Support to Bigpuppy's and Drunken's last two suggestions. :) Also are we going to have somthing smilar to [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/288005/ this]?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 23:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::Perhaps even simply add the featured image suggestions to that forum topic's purpose? That saves effort :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:32, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
== Server Capacity ==
 
 
About two weeks ago, I could not access <code>scratch-wiki.info</code> for 24 hours. My internet connection was fine; the website just took too long to respond.
 
 
Today, when trying to view [[/Archive 66]], I got a 503 Service Unavailable error. I reloaded the page and it worked. However, page load times are still a bit long. Occasionally, after about 50 page loads, the page load times start to get really long, up to ten seconds.
 
 
Does MartinWollenweber's server have enough capacity? {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 16:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 
: I think yes :-), but keep watching, if there are such kind of problems more often, I have to talk to our provider. It could help to create a list of such ocurannces to analyse it better. {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 22:02, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 
::Jvvg made some performance changes - everyone watching this, please keep a sharp eye out for any downtimes! They should be less now that we're not being naive.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:24, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
=== Logging server faults ===
 
 
Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 
Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 
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| "Service Unavailable Error [...]<br/>503 Service Unavailable Error"<br/>"508 Resource Limit Reached"
 
| "Service Unavailable Error [...]<br/>503 Service Unavailable Error"<br/>"508 Resource Limit Reached"
 
| Trying to enter my talk, kept refreshing until worked, came to CP to log fault. Errors repeated until worked. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
| Trying to enter my talk, kept refreshing until worked, came to CP to log fault. Errors repeated until worked. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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:Could we have a dedicated page to that?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:Could we have a dedicated page to that?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
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::::If it comes to the point of like many bugs, maybe we can make a page so that it is easier to navigate with. <small>(archives)</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::If it comes to the point of like many bugs, maybe we can make a page so that it is easier to navigate with. <small>(archives)</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Not too many right now.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Not too many right now.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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::::::{{not done|Never done!}} Server faults will always come. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
== Community Blocks Page in my Userspace ==
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::::::Can we just keep things to UTC for the sake of simplicity?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
{{not done}}
 
 
 
Hey everyone! Following the discussion ^^ up there, I need some help on my community blocks page - [[Community Blocks (forum)]]. If anyone could help I'd be really grateful! Thanks! {{User:Redglitter/Signature}}  15:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 
:I'd say that although it's small, it's big enough to be moved to the mainspace {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:46, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 
::<small>(edited OP link)</small> I've moved it to mainspace now, so contribute to it there :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:44, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 
:::Added Not Done to topic.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:45, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Add Siggy Warner to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] ==
 
 
 
So for those who don't know what [[User:Kenny2scratch/Project Guides/Siggy Warner|Siggy Warner]] is, it's basically a JavaScript thing that pops up a confirmation box when you forget to sign, as well as adding a notice to previews when you don't sign. You can still deliberately omit the signature by either checking the "minor edit" box or typing "CONFIRM" when prompted.
 
 
 
Since forgetting to sign your post is one of the most common mistakes, I propose that instead of people opting into using my siggy warner, we add it to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] as something that is loaded for all users. I think my siggy warner has reached a development status where it's ready to be included for everyone.
 
 
 
Potentially there could be a way to opt out of it, too - maybe by loading a user JS file that counteracts the effects of Siggy Warner.
 
 
 
What do you think about adding Siggy Warner to common.js?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:42, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:Support. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 14:05, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::MAJOR Support Ken! Great idea! <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 15:20, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:::User-generated content should not be included in the wiki's main code.{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:07, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::::@D_S: You are too late to say so - ScratchWikiSkin2 and Report Extension are user-generated. (you called Ken's Siggy Warner "user-generated", so these are also "user-generated".) Do you have any other reason? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 13:45, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::Plenty of things that the Wiki itself relies on started off as user-generated things. This would be no exception. As apple rightfully points out, SWS2 and the Report extension are technically user-generated, as are WikiMonitor, TemplatesFTW, and other major parts. The only difference is that the "major" parts have been approved by the community to be a part of the Wiki itself and no longer counted as user-generated. By posting this, I am requesting that the community decide whether this should be moved into the main codebase and no longer simply a user-created script.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:50, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::CA is also user generated. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 20:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::::CA is user-modified.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 07:31, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:::::::}}
 
<s>Everybody, repeat after me: Stay on topic, stay on topic, stay on topic!</s>
 
 
 
Let's not get off track about what is or isn't user-created or modified. So far we have 2 supports and one disputed no support. Any other opinions?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:58, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:Wouldn't this basically put WM out of a job? Except for categories.{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:18, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::@D_S Wm also updates the FPC, the too many edits warning and a bunch of other stuff as well. {{not done|No support!}}{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 15:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:::@Drunken jvvg has said he is fine with it, becasue it is less for him to maintain as he is really busy. @Asqwde Why no support? (Just wondering) <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::(this indentation indicates a reply to @D_S) jvvg also noticed that I'm slowly integrating more WM functions into the core. He's fine with it, though, since it would be less for him to maintain. Actually, WM doesn't need to check file categories anymore, either - an abuse filter prevents file uploads without categories. But WM isn't anywhere near out of a job yet - it has curator updating and rapid edit detection, neither of which we can do regularly.
 
:::(this indentation indicates a reply to @asqwde) Why do you not support this, though?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::::Hey, asqwde, if ya remain silent I won't know what the problem is, and I'll just put it in without a second thought - what's the reason you don't support?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:17, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::Since we don't have any valid rejects (yet) when is this planning to implemented? <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:05, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}
 
I support '''+1''' <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:This has now been added to the MediaWiki:Common.js file. If you would like to opt out of being warned about signing, you may add the line:<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript">mw.loader.load('/w/index.php?title=User:Kenny2scratch/signraw.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript');</syntaxhighlight>to [[Special:MyPage/common.js|your common.js file]]. {{done}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 12:33, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::I currently don't have my own common.js file, do I need to add anything else to the page other than that line of code?{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 23:35, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:::@D_S Just that line of code. :)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 23:44, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::::I forgot to mention that you should create your common.js file if it doesn't yet exist, the contents of which should be that line. ._.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== New page for mall simulators ==
 
{{not done}}
 
 
 
Should we make a new page for mall simulators? Mall simulators are sort of big with the biggest mall simulator (Palace of Points) having more than 1400 members. Should we create a page for it? <scratchsig>Sti_scratch</scratchsig> 04:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 
:Maybe not as a whole page, but as a section in [[Simulation Projects]]?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:11, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 
::Mall simulators, let me explain, are studios where people can register and make projects and add them to the studio. These projects are shops, where people (that are registered in a mall simulator the shop is added in) can buy from. Mall simulators invent their own currency, not tradeable for real money, that is used within the mall simulator itself. So, I don't really think it would fit there since it's technically not a project. <scratchsig>Sti_scratch</scratchsig> 08:54, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 
:::That's a new kind of [[shop]]. Actually, there is no article to write about it, I think. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 12:56, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 
::::Yeah, it means that we have to create two pages. for the shops and the sim itself. <scratchsig>Sti_scratch</scratchsig> 03:34, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::Couldn't shops in the mall simulators be a sub-section?<scratchsig>Purple_Ember</scratchsig> 04:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Compliment Tuesday! November 27{{th}}, 2018 ==
 
 
 
1:Welcome to the 16{{th}} Compliment Tuesday! November 27{{th}}, 2018.
 
2:WOW! Look at all these compilments. This is truly amazing!
 
 
 
'''What is Compliment Tuesday?'''
 
 
 
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! {{e|:)}}
 
 
 
'''How to Compliment'''
 
 
 
We have a whole wiki page on it! {{e|:D}} You can find it here: [[Scratch Wiki:Compliment Tuesday|Compliment Tuesday]]
 
 
 
 
 
'''Compliments'''
 
 
 
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
 
 
 
 
 
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* Thank you for your help with the Scratch+C64 article, your comments were really helpful to strengthen the relation to Scratch.<scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 16:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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* Thank you for helping me out with all the questions I had! <scratchsig>12944qwerty</scratchsig> 22:35, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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* As per above - making sure things are correct is a very important job! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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* You are so kind, with all your compliments! They are very sincere! Thank you for finding the good in all of us.:)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 13:39, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 
* Thank you for helping all around the wiki, participating in discussions and helping maintain the wiki's high standard!{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:58, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
 
 
 
The next CT is December 4{{th}}, 2018! See you then!
 
 
 
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 
::Note: Thank you {{user|12944qwerty|name}} for pointing this out to me: it was not them that created [[Going Off the Scratch Screen Edge]], but {{user|mohie|name}}. I'm sorry, this was my bad. Thank you 12944qwerty for being so active, however; you're awesome! And Mohie, you are too! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Bot Shortcut for GA Stats ==
 
 
 
GA stats should have a a shortcut. Like [[B:IWB/GA]]? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 02:54, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:Actually, I think it should be a main shortcut like [[S:GA]] -> [[User:InterwikiBot/GA_Stats]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:37, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::{{done}}{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 04:58, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Assets Page ==
 
 
 
Hi everyone! On the Community Portal on the forums, there has been a request for a page about assets on the wiki. I just want to get your opinion on whether it'd be worthwhile writing an article on it?
 
{{User:Redglitter/Signature}}  20:39, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:Pretty good idea. :ok_hand: <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 08:20, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::I asked them, on the topic, for more clarification on the idea before we start making it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== 3.0 Release: 2.0 "Archiving" ==
 
 
 
Hi everyone, just wanted to say - Scratch 3 gets released very soon, so that means that we need to make sure everything about 2.0 has been "archived" on the wiki. Are there any pages that need more info to do with 2.0? (e.g images?) Because after about a month, there won't be a chance to screenshot parts of the website etc.
 
 
 
EDIT: We'll also need to start a page on the development of Scratch 3.0 before the chance to screenshot parts of the beta is gone.
 
{{User:Redglitter/Signature}}  16:08, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:I agree, we should have a 2.0 archive in some shape or form. Though we can still get most 2.0 editor images relatively easily because the offline editor is still available to be downloaded. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:33, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:Well, [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles]] will come into play upon release... I think I'll supervise the transfer of those articles to mainspace while other EWs help out in other areas. (The details will be worked out later.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:24, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::If possible, please screenshot all the pages with old navbar. (Like project pages) Credits, Educators and Parents page will also need screenshots. Localized versions are also welcomed. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 09:22, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:::I've started [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Development of Scratch 3.0]]. If anyone wants to help, that'd be much appreciated! {{User:Redglitter/Signature}}  16:03, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::::I'm helping! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 14:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::::: Thank you! {{User:Redglitter/Signature}}  16:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::@ken Possibly we (or/and your bot) can move articles to articlename (2.0) and add the previous version template to specified pages?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 19:31, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
{{outdent|::::::}}
 
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But some articles shouldn't have (2.0) after them... it'll really have to be decided on a case-by-case basis, so that's why I'll be there.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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It's hard to convert times off the top of one's head - if you really want to know the time in your own timezone, convert it yourself, don't ask the logger to do extra work.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 
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:Do we not have [[Scratch_Wiki:Known_Bugs|this?]]{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)20:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
== Contributions ==
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::Known bugs is for the php bugs (mw bugs). This is for the server fault (connection problems).
 
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::Did you not get notified by ken's siggy warner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
So, I was looking at my [[Special:Contributions/12944qerty|contributions]] and I found that many of the contribs I did were on pages with the User: namespace or the User talk: namespace. I feel that this wouldn't show our contributions to the Wiki. Is there any ways to change this? Or is it from the mw software? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:08, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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:::Known Bugs is for bugs that are consistently reproducible (actual bugs); this is for faults that occur, sometimes randomly, that are not reproducible or only happen once (glitches).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
:Yes and Yes, :) Select the namespace as "User", then click "Invert selection", and "Associated Namespace" You can view it [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=12944qwerty&namespace=2&nsInvert=1&associated=1&tagfilter=&year=2018&month=-1 here]. :)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 02:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::That wasn't what I was completely looking for. I also want it to remove multiple namespaces than just one. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 03:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:::Not possible on the Special:Contributions page, but the [[mw:API:Usercontribs|<code>usercontribs</code> API module]] allows filtering multiple namespaces. [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&format=json&list=usercontribs&uclimit=500&ucuser=12944qwerty&ucnamespace=0%7C1%7C4%7C5 This]<!-- I have to use an external link because the # part gets corrupted --> will get you your contributions (up to 500 of them, press the "continue" button to get more) in the (main), Talk, Scratch Wiki, and Scratch Wiki talk namespaces.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:38, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::::I did that but it is giving me a request URL??? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:18, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::That's right. Go to that page, copy&paste the link, and open it. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 09:22, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Everything you wanted to know about Snap!... ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
but never dared to ask, now it's your chance to directly talk to Brian Harvey, one of the developers of [[Snap!]], from Uni Berkeley at the next Scratch Club. If you are interested in joining the Scratch Club (via Google hangout, you need to be 18+ or have your parent's consent) please contact us here. The next Scratch Club with Brian Harvey as guest will be on Wednesday, December 19, 2018, at 20:00 CET and will be held in English. If you cannot join, you can also post some questions to discuss here. <scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 11:42, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:8pm CET is 3am HKT... I really want to join, but I'm likely not going to be able to. I'll leave questions here.
 
:* Snap! is too complicated for the age range of the vast majority of Scratchers, but for older ones like myself and many people here it's just right. Do you forsee Snap! being a teaching tool for teens the same way Scratch is for kids?
 
:* Scratch 3.0 is being released soon, and with it a cleaner and improved user interface design. Do you think an update to Snap! to mimic the new 3.0 design would be a good idea? (Minus the annoying parts of the design, such as the thicker blocks, and with modifications as you may see fit.)
 
:That's all I have for the moment, but I'll definitely post more as I think of them.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:27, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::QQ: Should I share this opportunity via Twitter?
 
::Here are my questions about Snap:
 
::*How would you optimize Snap to solve mathematical problems/applications/computer science problems where large data sets are involved?
 
::*Do demonstrations in Snap help Students understand structures in other programming languages? <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 22:25, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:::I will ask your questions and protocol the answers. Regarding Twitter, the Scratch Club is very open to new people, but they should have some connection to our Wiki, so it depends who is addressed. Makethebrainhappy, are you going to join? <scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 20:51, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::::I'd love to but I am busy at that time. Twitter is our medium to communicate with other educators and adults who do not frequent the Scratch Wiki. Based on that description, I will refrain from putting a mention on Twitter. :) <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::It was a very nice talk, we even learned about some of Snap!'s secret features. There is a protocol of it on the [[de:SC|Scratch Club page]]. <scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 23:32, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Compliment Tuesday! December 18{{th}}, 2018 ==
 
{{done}}
 
Welcome to the 17{{th}} Compliment Tuesday! December 18{{th}}, 2018.
 
 
 
'''What is Compliment Tuesday?'''
 
 
 
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! {{e|:)}}
 
 
 
'''How to Compliment'''
 
 
 
We have a whole wiki page on it! {{e|:D}} You can find it here: [[Scratch Wiki:Compliment Tuesday|Compliment Tuesday]]
 
 
 
 
 
'''Compliments'''
 
 
 
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
 
 
 
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* Thank you for protecting the CT archive so fast! (2 minutes, that's a new record :P)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:27, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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* Thanks for your help, especially for contributing this neat template for [[Scratch and Commodore 64/Corresponding Scratch Code| corresponding scratch code]] <scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 21:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 
* Thank you for listening to my 'music' (although I had doubts it was good music - now I know it probably isn't as bad as I thought it was.) {{smile}} <br/> {{User:KrIsMa/Sig}} 12:06, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 
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* Don't know if I did this already, but thank you for creating [[Scratch and Commodore 64]] so suddenly! From my perspective, it sprung up out of the blue, which was very nice since it was a complete article from the start. Very well written and well improved afterwards! :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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* THANK YOU for updating the [[Snap! (programming language)]] article! I was rather disappointed that such an influential subject was so outdated here, and then you, a very long-time editor with canonical knowledge of the subject, came out of the blue and updated it. The article looks very complete and up-to-date now, so I think you have achieved your purpose admirably. I hope you can continue contributing to other articles as well :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:49, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 
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* Thanks so much for helping me out with [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Development of Scratch 3.0]], and being super active on the wiki in general! {{User:Redglitter/Signature}}  09:41, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 
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* Thanks for running IWB!{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 11:27, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 
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* You add interwiki links so many times! And thanks for running GA Stats! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 11:27, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
 
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
 
 
 
The next CT is December 25{{th}}, 2018! (Christmas!) See you then!
 
 
 
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 23:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 23:28, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::{{done}}{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 04:59, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Split the Paint Article  ==
 
{{not done}}
 
 
 
I was browsing the wiki and noticed that the Paint editor article ([[Paint Editor|here]]) is '''really''' long and could possibly be split up into three different articles: History of the paint editor, 2.0 Bitmap Paint editor, and 2.0 Vector Paint Editor. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 20:55, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
 
:It is kinda long, but so is the CP, and do we split this? I realize it's not exactly the same thing, but it's not long enough to truly need splitting.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:03, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 
::in Japanese wiki, we ''did'' split it. At that time, "Types of Graphics", "Bitmap Editor", "Vector Editor", "Bitmap and Vector Comparison", "Paint Editor Conversion", "Interaction With Other Programs", "Example Uses", and "Alternatives" section is kept. Others are moved to version subpages, such as [[Paint Editor (2.0)]]. Guess what will happen next January here, without the change.
 
::By the way, block workaround page is enough big to split, too, I think. It will be good for performance issues. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 08:24, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 
:::Currently, [[Bitmap Editor]] redirects to [[Paint Editor#Bitmap Editor]]. The bitmap editor is a large part of Scratch, so I think it needs its own article. {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 01:29, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::::So [[Vector Editor]] too?{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 03:25, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::I merged the previous 'The "Bitmap Editor" Page' topic with this one that I pulled from the archives, as I realize that the original one shouldn't have been archived. If the replies by CrazyBoy826 onwards seem out of context, that's why.
 
:::::Next question: "Paint Editor" will have to redirect to either Bitmap or Vector Editor (not a disambig page, because there's only two). Which one?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 05:19, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::There are some sections that cannot be on the two: Types of Graphics,  Bitmap and Vector Comparison, Costume Pane, Basic Options, Interaction With Other Programs, Example Uses, History, and Alternatives. Keep them on [[Paint Editor]].{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 10:40, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Planned downtime at 07:00 UTC ==
 
 
 
All wikis will be put into read-only mode at 7:00 AM (UTC) to move the files between machines. This means that you will not be able to edit pages, upload files, or make any kind of database-modifying actions. This is so that you do not lose your work after the transfer. This transfer will have the advantage of giving us more control over our own systems.
 
 
 
We have seen issues caused by read-only mode before, including but not limited to broken file thumbnails. If you see any issues, feel free to take note of them and report them after the transfer is done, but most likely the issues will disappear once the wikis are no longer read-only.
 
 
 
Letting you know,{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:45, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:{{done}}{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 09:25, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Transfer Done! ==
 
 
 
All wikis are on the correct domains again, but now we have more control over our backend.
 
 
 
Thank you for your patience! It's been a long three days but now it's over.
 
 
 
Kenny2scratch;
 
 
 
A Bureaucrat will provide more information as time comes.
 
 
 
{{note|a lot of “Resource Limit Is Reached” errors, but we'll get that fixed soon.}}
 
 
 
<small>Copied from [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/294197/?page=10#post-3364967 here] and [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/294197/?page=10#post-3364998 here] and reposting it here in the CP while Ken is asleep, and while the wiki is temporarily up.</small><scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:42, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:The errors have died down now that the Wikis are done reeling from the transfer. I've also written a little bit about this transfer in [[Scratch Wiki#Server Transfer 2]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::@kenny2scratch: Well Done!! Thank you very much! :) {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 14:35, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:::{{done}}{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 05:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Wrong Link to Featured Article ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
On the front page of the Wiki, if you click "Read more..." or the title, it brings you to a page about SDS curators, but the image showing belongs to [[Getting Started with Scratch|a page about getting started with Scratch]]. I don't know how to fix it, I've made a note about it on the real featured article's talk page. If it get's resolved I'll delete the talk page. <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  01:26, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:{{done|Fixed}} FWIW - it'll get changed again in a few days.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:03, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::Okay, thanks :) <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  23:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== New Page for Accepted FPC Applications + Regular FPC Applications ==
 
 
 
Hey! Should we create an article on accepted FPC applications + Regular FPC Applications? New Scratchers may not know what that means, and want to know more. Is there already an article on that?<scratchsig>Purple_Ember</scratchsig> 03:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:The Curator page links to the project explaining how to apply, I think for now that's sufficient.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:51, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Please add all approved Extensions to all Scratch Wikis ==
 
 
 
@kenny2Scratch: Could you please fulfill me a great wish an add all extensions (+ other version related stuff) that have been approved in the english Scratch Wiki to all other Scratch Wikis. This is a generalisation of my specific wish, please add [[:mediawikiwiki:Extension:SyntaxHighlight]] to [[:de:Special:Version#Installed extensions]]. I think it's best for all international Scratch Wikis to profit from Extensions that have been approved in other Wikis, mostly the [[:en:]] Scratch WIki. In the (IMHO rarely) situation, that a Scratch Wiki community of a certain language doesn't want a certain Extension, it's easier to disable that Extension later, than to create a discussion process before (when nobody has seen the advantages of that new Extension).  Thank you very much in advance!
 
 
 
'''References:'''
 
*[[:en:Special:Version#Installed_extensions]]
 
*[[:de:Special:Version#Installierte_Erweiterungen]]
 
*[[:fr:Special:Version#Installed_extensions]]
 
*[[:id:Special:Version#Installed_extensions]]
 
*[[:ru:Special:Version#Installed_extensions]]
 
*[[:ja:Special:Version#Installed_extensions]]
 
*[[:nl:Special:Version#Installed_extensions]]
 
*[[:tw:Special:Version#Installed_extensions]]
 
{{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 15:26, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:I installed EmbedScratch, CategoryTree and YouTube (modified ver) to jawiki.
 
:AbuseFilter, CheckUser, and Lockdown are dangerous when abused. AF and CU has ability to check one's IP address.
 
:WOn't this go in testwiki?{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 16:50, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::I have already been working towards something like this... The CommonSettings.php plan is already implemented for English and Test wikis, and I'm trying to combine the other wikis' LocalSettings files as well. Part of that will include symlinking all the wikis' extensions directories to one wiki's. Once I figure out how it's going to work, this will be done.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:23, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::@Ken: Great! I hope you'll find a solution soon. If I cant't wait anymore, I will install the most wanted Extensions separately in [[:de:]] myself {{;)}}. {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 14:47, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Any progress? ;-( {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 00:12, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::A little on my part, though I am only helping on a small part, with the wiki farm.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 01:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I've now symlinked all the wikis' extensions folders to the English one, which now contains every extension any wiki has ever used. Any wiki can load any extension used by any other wiki now. (This means that the original point of this topic is {{done}} - all wikis can add all extensions if necessary.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Yay! Thanks Ken!<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 12:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Compliment Tuesday! January 1{{st}}, 2019 ==
 
 
 
 
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Compliment Tuesday/archive 016}}
 
 
 
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
 
 
 
The next CT is January 8{{th}}, 2019! Whooo! Happy New year!!! See you then!
 
 
 
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== HAPPY NEW YEAR ==
 
 
 
<big><big><big><big>YAY! <sup style="color:red">HAPPY </sup> <sub style="color:aqua">NEW</sub> <sup style="color:orange">YEAR</sup> <sub style="color:yellow">OF</sub> <span style="color:gold"><sup>2</sup><sub>0</sub><sup>1</sup><sub>9</sub></span>!!!!!</big></big></big></big> <br/> <big><big>2 MORE DAYS LEFT UNTIL [[Scratch 3.0|3.0]]!!!! WOOHOO</big></big><br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:34, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:Thank you! Happy (late) New Year to you too.
 
:{{User:KrIsMa/Sig}}  08:15, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done}}{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 05:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
 
== Articles to update for 3.0 ==
 
== Articles to update for 3.0 ==
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Feel free to update this list yourself. Add any articles that you discover that need updates; remove articles that have been updated.
 
Feel free to update this list yourself. Add any articles that you discover that need updates; remove articles that have been updated.
  
* How to Embed a Project
 
 
* Blocks
 
* Blocks
 
* Change () Effect by () (sound block)
 
* Change () Effect by () (sound block)
 
* Development of Scratch 3.0
 
* Development of Scratch 3.0
 
* Project
 
* Project
* File:Flag as Inappropriate.png
 
 
* File:Name bar.png
 
* File:Name bar.png
 
* File:Offline Editor Share Icon.png
 
* File:Offline Editor Share Icon.png
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::::::Nothing has changed between 2.0 to 3.0 in Front Page, Messages, Discuss, Profiles. (Maybe more but these are all I've been to). The Project page and project editor are the only ones that have. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Nothing has changed between 2.0 to 3.0 in Front Page, Messages, Discuss, Profiles. (Maybe more but these are all I've been to). The Project page and project editor are the only ones that have. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::The front page has changed, they've just been using the 3.0 skin for a while. Notice how the top bar is bright blue there and on project pages but a darker blue in discuss and the profiles as well as studios. Messages have also been at the 3.0 skin for a while. My stuff (and everything in it, like trash) has not been updated either. <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  02:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::The front page has changed, they've just been using the 3.0 skin for a while. Notice how the top bar is bright blue there and on project pages but a darker blue in discuss and the profiles as well as studios. Messages have also been at the 3.0 skin for a while. My stuff (and everything in it, like trash) has not been updated either. <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  02:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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::::::::Also I think "Images of stuff in 2.0 should be updated to 3.0." should be included.  {{#ifeq:|nobr|<br/>|}}[[File:VFDan.png|20px|link=User:VFDan]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=VFDan}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border: 2px solid cyan; border-radius:1px 0 0 10px">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;border-radius:0px 10px 1px 0px">{{nbsp}}<span class="plainlinks">{{User:12944qwerty/CPL|link=https://scratch.mit.edu/users/VFDan|text=On Scratch&nbsp;|color:orange;font-weight:bold}}</span></span>  22:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
  
== 🎉🎉 3.0 Released 🎉🎉 ==
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== List of deleted pages ==
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{{not done}}
  
horray!! it's finally here!!
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(Brought up here after discussion [[User talk:Jammum#About your Deleted Pages page|here]].)
  
<scratchsig>DeleteThisAcount</scratchsig> 12:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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So, there are currently four lists of deleted pages on this wiki:
:yay! 😄 <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 12:42, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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* [[User:Mathfreak231/Deleted pages recovery|Mathfreak231's]], which is the most comprehensive but is no longer updated in his absence
::Yay! {{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 17:27, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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* [[User:kenny2scratch/Deleted pages recovery|Mine]], which is a duplicate of Mathfreak's but hopefully more organized
:::Mine hasn't shown up yet, has yours? Super excited :) <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  17:37, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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* [[User:Jammum/Deleted Pages|Jammum's Deleted Pages]], which are more recent than either of the above
::::The conversion to 3.0 is still happening. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 17:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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* [[User:Jammum/All Pages That Have Been Deleted|Jammum's All Deleted Pages]], which seems to be more recent and extensive but has the least information (it's only a list of titles)
:::::Okay, that's what I thought. 🎊🎉🎈 <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  19:35, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::: I feel like Scratch 3 might actually be late, because I am in the EST timezone and it is about 3 PM, and that is NOT the early afternoon. It is more like the middle afternoon. 1 PM is the early afternoon. <scratchsig>LuckyLucky7</scratchsig> 19:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::: Wait, SRATCH 3 just released!!! I'm so excited!!! :D <scratchsig>LuckyLucky7</scratchsig> 20:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}YESSS IT'S HERE!!! And commenting works now too!! <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  20:43, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:If Scratch 3 has been here for two days why are the pages still outdated? <scratchsig>16itople1</scratchsig> 08:56, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::There are [[Special:AllPages|a lot of Wiki pages]], {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} of them to be exact. This is going to take a long time and a lot of effort to update. Be patient! There are still pages on here that were last updated in the 1.4 days.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:32, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::{{done}} {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 05:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Errors whilst accessing the Scratch Wiki ==
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I suggest (from jakel181's idea) that these become a single page in projectspace, something like "Scratch Wiki:Deleted Pages". This could be a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]].
On the Scratch Wiki, after the Scratch Website was put into Maintainance Mode, I frequently saw some 508 "Resource Limit Reached" errors. Does anyone know the cause for this? <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 13:18, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:No concrete cause, only speculation. My suspicion is that now that the website is down, people are turning to the Wiki... but we're not equipped to handle that kind of traffic, so we're borking as well.  Martin's emailed me, and I've emailed him... but any solution would involve contacting the server provider and that takes time. Nothing to be done at present.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:20, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:: it looks like the navbar is missing something <scratchsig>DeleteThisAcount</scratchsig> 14:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::: Some parts of the navbar (like the Scratch Logo) are missing because those parts are hosted on the Scratch Website. The Scratch Website is currently down to switch from Scratch 2.0 to 3.0, which also means that images stored on it cannot be accessed by anyone or anything. The CDN containing user profile images are still available, as only the main Scratch Website (not any subdomains) is down for maintainance. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 15:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I like the use of the word whilst. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:47, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== I wonder why the Scratch Wiki does not display the "Scratch 3.0 will be here soon!" message ==
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;Advantages
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* More organized
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* One place for all
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* Can be updated by anyone
  
<scratchsig>LuckyLucky7</scratchsig> 18:24, 2 January 2019 (UTC) See the subject.
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;Disadvantages
:I think the bureaucrats haven't got round to it yet (it might be too late for them to add it). <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 18:27, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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:''None I can think of off the top of my head''
::Maybe this is supposed to be the wiki for Scratch 3. <scratchsig>LuckyLucky7</scratchsig> 18:33, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::The wiki is not changing due to scratch 3.0 It is not controlled by the scratch team nor hosted on scratch servers so it's not effected.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 19:55, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::{{done}}{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 05:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== 3.0 is here! ==
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Thoughts? Shall we do it?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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:I think we should! I like the style yours is in, snice it is more oragized, and a bit easier to find pages, so we should base the page off that.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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::+1 :) {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 13:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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::: Just to remind everyone, I have not finished my "All Deleted Pages" page at the time of posting this message. It will be contributed to frequently. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 14:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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::::To Kenny2Scratch: This will be a great idea, as it will make it more accessible to people. If this get made, maybe put it could be put in the "Navigation" box on the side?  <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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::::: I think the page will not be notable enough to go there. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 07:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::::I don't think it goes in the sidebar, it's not that important; however, come to think of it, this is a nice candidate for a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]]. Thinkest you that this is a suitable mission to embark upon?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}I say aye.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 01:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
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:@Kenny2scratch, let's do that!{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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:: Are we going to do this? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::Okay, I just created a page called [[User:TenType/Deleted Files]], was scrolling through the Community Portal, and found this discussion. {{e|:/}} <br/> Maybe this page could contain pages only and not files? (I really spent a lot of time and effort onto my deleted files page) Anyways, still waiting for a response on whether or not this project will be started. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  
Scratch 3.0 is now here! Hooray! Should we copy and paste all of the 3.0 articles into their ordinary pages? (e.g. [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Scratch]] to [[Scratch]]) {{User:Redglitter/Signature}} 20:27, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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== “Secret” Compliments ==
:See Ken's long post about Scratch 3.0 a few sections above this one. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done}}{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 05:04, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Why no Double Redirects? ==
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We all know Compliment Tuesday. To suggest compliments we have the [[S:CT]] page. It’s a great way to compliment people, but could be even better.
  
Why no [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:42, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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Right now you suggest a compliment, everyone who wants to including the person who was complimented can see it and get posted on CP.  
:If you click on a double redirect, the first redirect works properly, but it just pauses at the second one and you have to manually click it. This prevents infinite redirects. {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 21:57, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== 3.0's Server Troubles ==
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So I thought that’s good but you do let look forward to the CP post because you know if you have been complimented.  
  
Is it me, or:
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I propose proposing compliments on a way no-one else can see apart from the organizer(s). This can be achieved by a Google Form.
  
* Project pages are not displaying
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Proposed new method:
* My username's not showing in the header
 
* The project editor's not working
 
* It takes forever to get to a userpage that might not even display?
 
{{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 00:06, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::Not just you. For a while, no one could comment. Some pages haven't updated to 3.0 yet either. Projects don't remix, and they don't save a lot either. It logged me out for no reason. Hopefully they fix these bugs soon, but the Wiki still seems to work! :) <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  01:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Yep, I was having this problem a few minutes ago. It's been on and off since yesterday.<scratchsig>-ShadowOfTheFuture-</scratchsig> 18:20, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I also had this problem. {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 21:54, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::The ST fixed the problem on a release on January 9, which also included raising the limit for cloud variables and fixing blurry images. {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 03:09, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== File not displaying in my signature ==
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* Users suggest compliments on Google Form entering all details as they would before
  
Why doesn't this file display when it's put at a size smaller than 125px? <br/><div class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:250px;overflow:auto;border:1px black solid">250x250 pixels image here:<span class="mw-collapsible-content">[[File:1a3c5e7g9i's_armemedillo.gif|File:1a3c5e7g9i's_armemedillo.gif]]</span></div>
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* End of the month (organizer)s have admin access to the form and gather responses
{{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 00:18, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:Gifs are known to be troublesome. Likely the server ran out of memory when trying to shrink it to size. But using gifs in your signature is against custom signature guidelines anyway (they get too flashy if we allow gifs) - just use a static ar<del>ma</del><ins>meme</ins>dillo.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:34, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Remove Backpack Banner ==
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* Posted in CP
  
We should remove the backpack banner now snice Scratch 3 is released now.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 15:36, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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This way:
:{{done}} (fyi this should have gone on [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Admin Requests]]){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:22, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Comments as Citations  ==
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* Users will look forward to see compliments received and not seeing anytime of the month
  
Should comments be used as citations? Some comments are so old that they don't seem to load if someone wants to check the citation. Anyone have a solution to the problem?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:35, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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* People will be more encouraged by the compliments
:Comments?? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:36, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::If you want to use a comment for a citation, you could take a picture of it, upload it to CubeUpload and then use the direct link or something like that I guess. I don't have any ideas for the current comments that don't load, though...<scratchsig>-ShadowOfTheFuture-</scratchsig> 18:17, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::The Problem with that is then someone could edit it then take a screen shot.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 21:51, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::No, no pictures! We have a [[Help:References#Format|reference format]] for comments:
 
<pre>Username. (D/M/YYYY). "Relevant quote from comment." https://scratch.mit.edu/users/link_to_comment#comments-12345678</pre>
 
::::If you can't fetch the quote because the comment is so old, then unfortunately there's nothing to be done. Whatever material that references the comment will have to be assumed to be verifiable by the comment, unless proven otherwise.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:30, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Scratch 3.0 should be faster at loading comments though...? A new thing it does is instead of loading all of the comments leading down to it, it only shows the comment you clicked the link to and has a "see all comments" button. <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  01:09, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Scratch 3.0 Controversy ==
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Ideas?{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 07:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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:There are pros and cons to this... on one hand, people will be less self-conscious about complimenting if nobody knows it's them, but on the other hand some compliments either don't make sense if you don't know who it is or imply on their own who the person complimenting is. I do like the idea of looking forward to compliments rather than seeing them immediately, but the con to that is people might be disappointed if CT doesn't come out at the end of the month due to not enough people complimenting...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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::I'm on board with this. I still would like to keep the non-secret compliments as a second option if we go about this. The main problem would be moderation. With anonymity, there is more of a chance that something mean would come out of it. An unwritten policy of CT is, if I see a disrespectful "compliment" it won't be included. If we were to use a google forum, we would have to have some way of knowing who compliment who, we can't just ask for a username since we can't verify it wasn't an impostor. Any ideas how to go about this?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::Perhaps (again) an extension? Special:ComplimentTuesday sounds like an interesting idea...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:50, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::Guess who forked your report extension ;) (or possibly Special:ThankfulThursday :P)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 12:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::::+1 for a Special: page where compliments can be submitted and a way of suggesting public compliments{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 16:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|5}}
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But also,Scratch and Scratch Wiki are growing up with "Imagine, Program, Share".[[Frequently Rejected Suggestions#Private Messaging|Here]]'s an rejected example suggestion:{{quote|Private Messaging
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When communication is public, people are more likely to be respectful because they know that everyone can see it. However, when posting PMs, people know that only the intended recipient can see it, so do not think as much before posting. Even if a "Flag PM" function is implemented, the Scratch Team currently does not have the resources to moderate it, because of the reason said before there would be a lot of inappropriate/disrespectful messages.|Scratch Team}} Also,we can see other's compliments(Google Forms give this in finish of the form,right?).
  
On the Scratch Website, I've seen many Scratchers (I don't know how much) critisizing Scratch 3.0. Should the wiki mention critisism of Scratch 3.0? <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 12:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Shortly:
:Find enough references to enough different types of criticism and we might have a section in the article.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 12:25, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:: Ok. Also, I might like a section about 3.0 controversy in the [[List of Controversial Topics on Scratch]] page. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 14:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::: Also, a lot of people wanted 2.0 back, so I'll add some refs for that too. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 14:40, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
== Removing discussion tests on [[Help talk:Welcome/4]] ==
 
The page I mentioned in the above title is used by users as a test discussion page. I think the tests shouldn't belong on that page. Should they be removed? <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 10:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:The welcome tutorial itself says to do a test on the talk page! No, that's a perfect place to test. Definitely keep it the way it is.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:10, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Blocks in articles should display smaller ==
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*It's a bad idea because...
  
The current blocks plugin has resulted in significantly larger blocks than we had in the previous version. In fact, they are even larger than the blocks in the Scratch editor. Measuring on my screen, the [[Glide () Secs to () (block)|Glide () Secs to ()]] block is 40px tall in the editor (measured from the highest to lowest pixel), while in the blocks plugin, it is 58px tall. This is almost 50% larger. You can see the difference below:
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:*It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages
  
[[File:Block height difference.png]]
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:*I have some questions about Google Forms security
  
In that image, the block on the left is from the editor, while the block on the right is from the blocks plugin. This is resulting in the blocks not only being larger than in the editor, but so large that they are becoming distracting from the actual text. Therefore, I propose requesting to the current creator of the blocks plugin that the blocks be made smaller. This will result both in the blocks more accurately resembling what you see in the editor and having them be less distracting from the text in articles. They would look something like this:
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:*Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)
  
[[File:Smaller Scratchblocks.png]]
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:*And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging
What do people think?<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:50, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:<small>I saw your mistake {{e|:D}}</small>
 
:I agree, It is way to big to read with. '''+1''' <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:11, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::I implemented a fix for this on the Wiki extension when it was added, so I'm confused - are you talking about the forums plugin or the blocks as displayed on the Wiki? Because on the Wiki it looks like this:
 
<sb>glide () secs to ( v)</sb>[[File:Block height difference.png]]
 
::Three blocks - left is actual rendered inline scratchblocks; middle is the "small" block in the image in the OP; right is the "big" block in the OP image.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:24, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I'm talking about blocks as displayed on the Wiki. The big block in the image is how the blocks display for me on the Wiki (latest version of Firefox on Windows 10). They should display in a size more like what they appear like in the program (small block in the image) or possibly slightly smaller.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 02:56, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Scratch Block Images ==
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:*If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work
So, I thought we were basically done with converting things to 3.0. The thing is, most block pages show 2.0 style blocks. For example, look [[() - () (block)|here]]. Before I updated the picture, it was a 2.0 file. Are these supposed to be like this or should we update them all? <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  00:10, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:We should update the images. However, the current image filenames include "2.0", so we should upload them under new files (like "3.0 () - ().png" or whatever) and keep the older ones for historical purposes.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 02:57, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::Okay. I've updated a few of them already, can you undo image updates? <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  18:52, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I already restored the old versions. The versions you uploaded are still there under the file history, so you can re-upload those under new filenames.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:53, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Okay, thanks. :) <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  19:53, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Wiki Wednesday suggestion link should be on the left? ==
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:*Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)
  
^<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:32, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 20:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
:Elaborate?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::Just like you include 'things to do' in ''For Editors''. Include Wiki Wednesday suggestion link there too. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 01:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== 3.0 updating question ==
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::I would generally discourage the use of google forms for this kind of project given that you are seeking input from the entire community. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::I also disagree with using Google Forms because fake or anonymous users could abuse the feature. However, maybe Special:ComplimentTuesday could be the way to go... <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::Google Forms are out by multiple Community and Wiki G/guidelines. A special page is the way to go. @Ahmetlii: If we're using a special page, problems solved include:
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::::* <s>It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages</s>
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:::::Compliments would be reviewed before being shown. Inappropriate messages are vandalism and would be treated as such. {{done|Solved}}
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::::* <s>I have some questions about Google Forms security</s>
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:::::No Google Forms. {{done|Solved}}
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::::* <s>Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)</s>
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:::::Not a problem for me, it'll be fun! {{e|:)}} {{done|Solved}}
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::::* <s>And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging</s>
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:::::Compliments are shown to everyone - only who submitted the compliment is hidden. Not private messaging. {{done|Solved}}
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::::* <s>If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work</s>
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:::::Not very much more, and @jakel181 has been doing a great job on CT so far, I'm sure he wouldn't mind looking through the compliments before he posts them.
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::::* <s>Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)</s>
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:::::Not with a special page! {{done|Solved}}
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::::I think a special page is definitely the way to go. I believe the following are the only questions to really consider:
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::::* Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted?
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::::** If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate?
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::::* Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
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::::** If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
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::::This concludes my post.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::::I think we should allow EW/Admins/Bureaucrats see in some fashion. (Maybe not all but a couple)<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 12:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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* Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted? -Yes, they are. (I don't need it :P)
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** If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate? -It's named as "be shy" :)
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* Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
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-No, we don't because S:JOIN-if somebody want to send a message, they must join and login to the Wiki.
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** If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
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-They can use Scratch profiles to send a message - it's only a Wiki about Scratch.
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<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 17:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
  
Should we rename the page [[Getting Started with Scratch]] to [[Getting Started with Scratch 2.0]] and create a new page called [[Getting Started with Scratch 3.0]]? Because some people (Mainly teachers who's curriculum is based around S2) will still use the offline 2.0 editor.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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== Welcome templates ==
:A copy of the page before I began updating it can be found [[User:Drunken Sailor/Sandbox/Getting Started with Scratch|here]].{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 22:44, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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{{not done|Limit not yet negotiated}}
  
==Syntax Highlighting==
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A lot of people have their own "welcome" templates that they post on new users' talk pages. This is a great idea, because new users can get to know new people and, of course, feel welcomed. However, the welcoming effect starts diminishing when things like this happen:
Was syntax highlighting removed? I don't see the color wheel at the top of the editor anymore.
 
My browser / operating system: ChromeOS 11021.81.0, Chrome 70.0.3538.110, Flash 31.0 (release 0)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:I also have the same problem. I refresh a couple of times and it works but I fear that it is happening more often. Something is wrong... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:38, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::It has not been removed. There is just a bug where most of the time, it loads without. A few hard refreshes will temporarily fix it. {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 23:42, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== HTTP and HTTPS versions of the site ==
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[[File:That's a lot of welcomes.PNG]]
  
Every time, I notice that there are both HTTP and HTTPS versions of the Scratch Wiki website, with logging in/out independent of each other (if I am logged in on one, the other may be different). This recently started, with the first incident on January 6. What's happening to the site? {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 23:41, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
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10 different people jumping on the new user is too much - it's not welcoming, it's downright scary! How would you feel if you created an account somewhere and you were confronted with a wall of "welcome"s?
:I know some browsers, (such as Brave) will automatically upgrade to https.<scratchsig>RonTheNerd</scratchsig> 04:24, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::This is due to an htaccess issue, I think - we just don't redirect requests from http to https, and most browsers don't send https cookies to the http version of the same site. I'll fix the htaccess files at some point.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Yeah, it was an htaccess issue. {{done|Fixed}}, http now redirects to https.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:06, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::{{done|Your Post Fixed}}, http redirects to https. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 11:23, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Thanks, I've edited my message lol{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:24, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::{{done}}{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 23:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
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To counteract this, I don't propose forbidding welcomes entirely; what I instead think should be the case is that we have a limit on how many welcome messages can be on a talk page - probably around 4-5 at the most. That does mean it turns into a race as to who can get their message on first, but that can't be helped - if you want to get your message in, ya gotta be active at the right time.
  
== Featured Images ==
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I don't think there's much room for debate on the necessity of the limit, but what can be bargained is the limit itself - how many topics do you think is too many?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
  
It's been >1 month since we changed the Featured Images! Anyone have new ones? {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:44, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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:I think that a limit of 4-5 is a great idea {{E|:)}} I still remember when I started the messages really confused me. Also, I'd say that if you post a welcome message, it should have a variation of the simple title "Welcome!". I tried to make mine a bit different. I like the "All aboard!" one. Maybe we could say if there are more than eight messages already, really don't put one, but if there are 4-5 try not to put your template, but a personal message is okay.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 21:06, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
: What about this?
 
:[[File:Scratch cat.png|100px|thumb|left|The Scratch Cat's new appearance in Scratch 3.0.]]
 
{{----}}
 
{{User:Redglitter/Signature}}  18:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::What about the 3.0 editor, project page? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:35, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Isn't the Scratch Cat the same as it was in 2.0? How about one of the new sprites added in the 3.0 Countdown projects? <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 04:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::No, the image is not the same. The whiskers are in different places and the lines aren't as sharp. Also, beneath the eyes is smooth rather than jagged lines. There are also no creases at the forehead. I think that the new Scratch cat is a good one :) <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  20:56, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Experimental caching ==
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::I see this level of enthusiasm as very exciting. While it may be a little intimidating, I look at it more as a great way to integrate yourself with the community immediately and meeting many of the people who you will be working with side-by-side. Nonetheless, I would love to see more data on this and interview some people on their experiences regarding this to see if it does have a negative impact. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::As we are bargaining for this, I was just wondering what we'll be doing now. Should we be limiting welcomes now? Or do we continue welcoming as much as we can {{e|:D}}? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::While the rule is still merely proposed, it is not yet a rule. Welcomes are unlimited until this is put in force.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::::[[User talk:StampDanFan|It has happened again...]]{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 20:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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maybe a way to avoid this is to make the section named a bit different?? <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
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:Can't we make a User_talk:ACCEPTEDUSER/Welcomes page?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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::That doesn't actually cause a ping tho...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  
I have enabled file caching in MediaWiki in order to improve performance. The basic idea is that once a page is converted from Wiki markup to HTML code once, it just saves the result and uses that all future times the page is requested rather than parsing it again.
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== Block Problems ==
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{{Not done|Not done, as blocks are still unfinished or broken}}<br />
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Today I started to finish up the script for [[How to Evaluate an Expression]], and things got out of hand. When I first completed it, I realized I did some of the block loops wrong, and it like wrapped around some things that I didn't want to wrap around, while I also couldn't get this one if then else block to wrap around something else {{-}} it was all a mess. I cleaned some of it up, but I am afraid I'll make it worse and I already spent more than an hour on it. Also, I have to save it each time I want to check if it is correct, since for some reason the blocks won't load up in ''Show preview'' mode (it appears in code) but loads when the changes are saved. Can somebody please fix up the script to match the one in post #19 in [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/292813/ this forum topic]? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
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:The blocks still don't match the one in the post, I tried again on my sandbox and it still does not cut out. Anyone who is an expert at doing this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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::You can use [https://scratchblocks.github.io this page].<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 07:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::Curse Garamol56 for not using forum scratchblocks!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::@Ahmetlii That website may come in handy...
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::::@kenny2scratch Yes, it is so exhausting to convert it into proper scratchblocks! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
  
This shouldn't affect most of you too much, but you will probably notice this:
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== TinyPic is closing down ==
*When you load a page for the first time after editing it or if it hasn't been opened by anyone in a while, it will take slightly longer to load
 
*Every time you or someone else loads a page after that, it will load slightly faster
 
  
Please let me know if any issues come up from this.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 17:08, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
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I'm not sure how many pages this messes up but you should all know that TinyPic is closing down :({{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 19:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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:Dang, could you name some examples of pages that use TinyPic? {{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 23:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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::In case you don't know: Scratch Wiki has its own image hosting (Wiki server) and does not use TinyPic(or cubeupload or anything else) at all. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 03:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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:::@1a3c5e7g9i I forget the names right now, but theres one about image hosting I know for sure.
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:::@Apple502j I know, but there are informational pages that will be incorrect.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 14:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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::::It looks like {{user|Jammum|name}} updated [[Image Hosting]]: see [[Special:Redirect/revision/231829]]. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 14:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
  
:I noticed that when I load talk pages such as the Community Portal, it takes 5-7 seconds even when no comments have been added. After reloading again, it loads with the same speed. <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 05:24, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
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== AF Link Proposal ==
::Hm, you're right - it usually takes a few extra seconds to load. Let me poke around...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 05:40, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
:::I noticed now that when I scroll to the bottom of the page, the text doesn't load. It is just the page box (warnings show up for some reason) and a blue background <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 02:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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For April Fools pages, could we convert regular links in the page to the April Fools one instead, if possible?
::::"warnings"? What do you mean? (and if you mean what I think you mean, can you tell me what the warnings say?){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:41, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
:::::{{Warning}} as in these. It also suddenly got really laggy while I was editing my user page, then it took 15+ seconds to load the Community Portal... <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 05:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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But we shouldn't go on a massive editing spree for this - only change the links if we stumble upon them or add new ones. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::Sudden lag is better than lag all the time... but now I'm really confused. Next time you see that happen, could you take a screenshot and post that here? (I recommend uploading the screenshot to https://cubeupload.com and not the Wiki, thanks.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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:I think that depends on the person that creates the page, but I think that April Fools pages aren't that huge of a deal to change every link, even if stumbled upon. Also, most pages don't have an alternate April Fools page to begin with. <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 05:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Now it takes 30 seconds to load a page, and the Community Portal page took way longer, so I just deleted the tab. It also didn't let me log in for a minute. BTW I'm on Chrome<scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 16:20, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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::Support.
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::{{User:Smileycreations15/sig}} 12:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
What is the browser/operating system? Maybe that makes a difference?<br/>
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:::@Jedibrine: Sorry, by "stumbling upon", I meant when we add/modify the contents of an AF page. I don't want too many edits of just converting links.
Mine is: '''''ChromeOS 11151.59.0, Chrome 71.0.3578.94'''''<br/>
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:::Also, this will make AF pages more lively and humorous in a way. I myself have been disappointed in the past clicking on a link on an AF page, but found out that it led to a regular article.
Also, I don't know if it is just me but syntax Highlight is working more often again. I don't know if this was the reason... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:20, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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:::And even if there isn't an alternate AF page, so what? We could just add the regular link for now, and then when it gets created, we could change it. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
:Same stuff here, although there is an update available now <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 05:46, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
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::::I thought that on April Fools Day, then if you clicked a link, it would lead to the April Fools version of that page if there is one...{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 22:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
::Please revert it, I've been gettting 5 errors just to say this. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:02, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
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:::::No no, that's not what I meant. What I meant was when you click on a link that's on an AF page, it leads you to the regular page, and my proposal is that we should change those links (once again on AF pages) to lead to the AF version of the link, if possible. Even if this could be rendered useless on April 1{{th|1}}, it still would be more humorous for users who browse AF pages. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:48, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
:::Yes, when I saved my page it didn't save, and it didn't load any pages after that for around 4 hours (this happened in the morning). It just showed a dead loading thingy on the tab of the page. <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 01:30, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
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::::Let me clarify multiple things here:
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I don't think this is a good idea. What benefit will this bring? This change would mean that on AF Day, every ''mainspace'' page would be linking to the AF subpage instead of linking to other real pages. Then any normal user would suddenly be taken to some cryptic page titled "Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Ignatious Q. Higgenbotham" and not know what they were looking at. Plus, the {{t|April Fools}} template (which is on every ''mainspace'' page with an AF version) shows a header saying "this is a joke, scroll to the bottom for the real article"; the {{t|AF}} template (which is on the ''AF versions'' of mainspace pages) does not. Linking to AF versions from mainspace would remove the ability for educators, New Scratchers, and other members of our audience to get some serious help that they just happened to need on AF Day.
::::Operating system and browser are ''irrelevant'' to loading issues.
 
::::Delays and slowdowns are being caused by the ''database'', not caching.
 
::::I think I've narrowed down the cause for the syntax highlighting for the editor not working all the time: it only activates when the URL parameters are exactly "?title=...&action=edit", no more, no less. (Hypothesis, as yet untested.) Again, ''not caused by caching''.
 
::::Let me explain what caching is so that you don't treat it as a black box that causes all problems. Here's the process for our current system of caching. When a page loads:
 
:::# First, the kind of user is determined. ''If the user is not an anonymous user, no caching is done.'' No logged-in user is shown a cached page, i.e. none of your troubles could be caused by caching because you are logged in and are therefore ignored by caches! (Additionally, anonymous users who have unchecked talk page messages are also not shown cached pages, but anonymous users cannot possibly have talk page messages on this wiki so that is irrelevant.)
 
:::# Second, the kind of page is determined. Caching is only done for pages that:
 
:::#* are not special pages (i.e. pages that start with "Special:")
 
:::#* are not redirects
 
:::#* are being viewed in the current version (latest revision), normal wiki view, no URL parameters, nothing but the page itself.
 
:::# Third, MW checks whether there is a cached version of the page. (These are stored as HTML files in a directory.)
 
:::#* If there is, that gets directly served and the request ends there.
 
:::#* If there is not:
 
:::## The page's content is retrieved from the database.
 
:::## The retrieved content is saved in the cache directory.
 
:::## The cached content is served the same way it would if it was already cached.
 
::::There is no way that caching could be causing any of your problems because, once more, it is not done for logged-in users. Try to investigate further as to the cause of problems instead of just assuming "oh, it's just that 'caching' thing again".{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:29, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Trends ==
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That's my two cents.
  
<p>Hey! I wanted to add the Thanos Cat Trend to the [[Scratch_Trends|Trends page]] under "Icons". I don't know if there are enough people who have done it for it to qualify as a trend, and I don't know who started it. Can someone help me find the information and tell me if it is even a trend? Thanks!</p>
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<small>BTW, @TenType, there's a shortcut for {{t|th}} for 1, it's {{t|st}}. There are also {{t|nd}} and {{t|rd}} for convenience.</small>{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:17, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
<scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 22:26, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
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:I don't think everyone knows what I'm saying. Only <u>on</u> AF pages should we link to other AF pages; why would we link AF pages from mainspace? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:04, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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::Dude. AF pages get ''transcluded into mainspace on AF Day''. The links remain unchanged upon transclusion.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::Welp, yes, but this would also benefit users who browse AF pages when it's not AF day. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 17:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::I don't really know that many people that browse AF pages outside of AF day, and there are ways for people to access AF pages if they really need to. If people want to reach a page on AF day, all they will find are AF pages. <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 04:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::<!-- this indentation is intentional -->I've made a change to the {{t|April Fools}} template (the one that goes on mainspace) so that it shows a little icon in the top right that links to the AF version. That should make things easier for the minority that browses AF pages, which substitutes the only real benefit of this; therefore I shall consider this {{done}}.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
  
== Reference for blog.scratch.mit.edu ==
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== Thankful Thursday! August 1{{th}}, 2019 ==
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 021}}
  
Since blog.scratch.mit.edu is no more, are they still allowed as References? I found one in the [[Scratch Design Studio]] article and decided to post this.
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
  
<scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 00:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
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The next TT is August 29{{th}}. See you then!
:I think it would still be allowed, since it is still a good reference. The link might need to be changed to the archived page on [http://web.archive.org Internet Archive] though.<scratchsig>Mrcomputer1</scratchsig> 06:27, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:We have a {{t|dead link}} template you can add just after the reference if you even can't find any Internet Archive pages as well - this signifies that the reference was once there, but no more.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:46, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Scratch Team Members ==
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<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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::Isn't that supposed to be August 1{{st}}? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 17:54, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
  
I looked at the credits on the [[Scratch Team]] article and found [https://scratch.mit.edu/credits this link]. I opened all of the users mentioned in the credits and discovered that some of the Scratch Team members were excluded from the wiki page. If anyone knows anything about these ST Members, please tell me so I can add them to the page.
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== Split Help talk:Welcome/4 ==
  
Missing confirmed Scratch Team Members (people with the "Scratch Team" tag):
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[[Help talk:Welcome/4]] is used by new Wikians to test out using talk pages. But, there is also a real discussion on the page named 'Blanking' (although before the actual discussion, there are a few talk page tests).
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/wheelsonfire/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/KayOh/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/rmiel/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/labdalla/]
 
  
Other important users mentioned in the credits:
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I suggest that all test discussions should be moved to its own talk page (that is a sub-page of the real talk page), which could be named something like 'Help talk:Welcome/4/Testing'. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/jaleesa/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/shaanmasala/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/leoburd/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/taranir/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/lilyland/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/theladynico/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/pizzafordessert/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/khanning/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/mwikali/]
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/me_win/] - Moderator of the Scratch Twitter Account
 
*[#https://scratch.mit.edu/users/lob12/] - Runs the Scratch Foundation
 
  
I may have missed a few because my tabs are really unorganised.
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== New Featured Images ==
Double check [https://scratch.mit.edu/credits here]
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{{not done}}
 
 
<scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 00:20, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:I've completely revamped the [[Scratch Team#Members]] part to match the new credits page. If you know which users in your "other important users" bit correspond to which names in the Members section, please don't hesitate to add them. Otherwise, {{done}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:45, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
::OK cool! <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 15:56, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I noticed this before, but the only one I added was stymphalianbirb, and I didn't know who she was. Apparently, this was because the Credits didn't link to their user profiles before now. {{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 23:51, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Actually, linking to ST profiles is a new feature, not an old bug - it was added in [https://github.com/LLK/scratch-www/pull/2220 this pull], because of (or maybe unrelated to, I don't actually know) [[topic:307392|this topic]] of mine. The point is, it links now, so I was able to use that. In fact, quick JS snippet for future updating:
 
<syntaxhighlight lang="js">var res = ''
 
for (var child of $('#view > div > div.content > div.people > ul').children) {
 
    res += '* ' + child.children[1].innerText + ' ([' + child.children[0].children[0].href + ' ' + child.children[0].children[0].href.slice(30, -1) + '])\n';
 
}
 
console.log(res)</syntaxhighlight>
 
::::Just copy and paste into the console.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Change the Featured Studio Template ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
Should we change the template so that the link is in the name instead of a reference? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 03:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:I don't think that it would need that, it would be better to keep the link separate to match the rest of the Wiki <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 05:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Thanks! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 14:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Wiki Appearance ==
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Hey! Soon, on August 12th, it'll have been a month since we updated the Featured Images yet. This time, I don't want to do them late like I have in the past, so does anyone have any suggestions? {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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:A photo of somewhere tropical. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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::I don't understand - is this a joke (if it isn't, I'm not trying to offend; simply trying to understand)? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::It is. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 13:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
  
The Scratch Wiki site appearance should be updated to match Scratch 3.0's update of some aspects of the Scratch Website. How about like adding something like Bootstrap to make it look nicer? <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 04:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
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== A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-archive TIME! ==
:What are you talking about? The current skin was specifically designed to match the 3.0 styles. (I should know, I designed it!) If you mean the content part, sidebar etc those are wiki features and don't fit into the Scratch style of content. {{done|Already done}}
 
:<small>As for Bootstrap: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/youtube/umDr0mPuyQc</small>{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:51, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::Oh lol I meant the sidebar and buttons and boxes and stuff like that. <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 03:55, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== New Page ==
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FYI These CPND topics are to be archived:
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* [[S:CPND#Wiki Wednesday suggestion link should be on the left?]]
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* [[S:CPND#Why doesn't the "CodeMirror" thing always work?]]
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* [[S:CPND#Assets Page]]
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* [[S:CPND#Community Blocks Page in my Userspace]]
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* [[S:CPND#VisualEditor extension]]
  
I want to create a page on the GPIO Scratch 1.4 extension for the Raspberry Pi, but I don't know if it is useful and I don't really have much time to do it. Can some people tell me if they use GPIO or even Scratch 1.4 on Raspberry Pi? Thanks! <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 05:04, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
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And don't forget [[S:CPSYS]]! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 01:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
:Scratch 1.4 on RPi for me: no, I use my RPi as a server. And because there's Scratch 2.0 on Pis now I doubt anyone will ever use it. If you see someone asking around on the forums about the GPIO extension, then it may be time to consider it, but before that it's not worth it. I don't think there's even much to say about it besides the fact that you can interact with GPIO devices...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
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:Wow, a lot of pages in the Not Done section can be archived! {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:26, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
::Ok, I was just going to make a mini tutorial on how to use it and how it works. I have 2 Raspberry Pis (A+ and 3B+) so I work with Scratch 2.0 and 1.4. Thanks for responding! <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig>
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::{{done}}!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
  
== Embed projects ==
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== Minor Change to S:CONTRIB ==
  
Embedding has been removed in Scratch 3.0, so for the [[How to Embed a Project]] page, can someone rename it to [[How to Embed a Project (Scratch 2.0)]]? <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 05:35, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:[[S:STYLE#no-link-underscores|Please don't use underscores in links!]]
 
:Also, embedding hasn't been removed! https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/168960058/embed/
 
:It's only that it doesn't work right now (the embed link works, but the actual embedding part breaks). That's something already in progress on GitHub. We don't need to worry about it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::Oh wow that's nice to know! Thanks! <scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 03:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
== Compliment Tuesday! January 15{{th}}, 2019 ==
 
 
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Compliment Tuesday/archive 017}}
 
 
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
 
 
The next CT is January 21{{th}}. See you then!
 
 
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:30, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:30, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::Why is it ''not done''? Isn't it done? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 00:32, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::The most recent CT post is marked as Not Done, so that it remains even when archiving - i.e. there is always at least one CT post on the CP, even after an archive.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:19, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
== Suggestions for AbuseFilter ==
 
 
I would like AbuseFilter to prevent:
 
* Signatures being in mainspace articles
 
* Userspace being in categories
 
<scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 17:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:I believe that [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AbuseFilter Abuse Filter] is a mw extension. You would have to consult mw if you want it changed. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:32, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::You don't have to consult media wiki to have it changed! You (Bureaucrats)(as far as I know only they can change it on the sw) can add filters to it to make it custom to your need.
 
::This seem like they could be helpful, though as for the second one there may be a few categories that set it off mainly a few of the [[:Category:Hidden categories]] and [[:Category:Open User Pages]]. Though, it might not be necessary to add these because I have never seen those things happen (expect for the categories mentioned above). Have you seen it happen before?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 21:25, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
<pre>(action in ["edit","submit"]) &
 
(article_namespace == 0) &
 
(contains_any(new_wikitext,"<scratchsig>","/sig","/Sig"))</pre>
 
<pre>(
 
(action in ["edit","submit"]) &
 
(article_namespace == 2) &
 
(contains_any(new_wikitext,"[[category:","[[Category:")) &
 
(!(user_groups contains "sysop"))
 
)</pre>
 
:::Here you are {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 00:24, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::@apple your post broke, I fixed it
 
::::Before adding either of these, are there any legitimate reasons for putting signatures in mainspace or for adding userpages to categories?
 
::::Off the top of my head I can't think why signatures would go in ''main''space (they do go in subject pages, but not specifically mainspace), so I'd probably do that, but then there's also the problem of figuring out what's actually a signature. But are there any pages that need signatures (even as example sigs)?
 
::::Adding userpages to categories is harder. That filter apple posted only detects manual categories, but it doesn't work for templates that add categories. There's really no good way of knowing when a page is put into a category without using a lot of magic. Besides, the rare cases that people decide to categorize their userpages will be walked all over by anyone who pays attention to RC anyway, so I don't think it's worth adding a filter for.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::One legitimate reason I can think of to add a template with a category in userspace is administrative templates, such as {{t|delete}}.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 17:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::That's not a manual category, which is all that any abuse filter would be able to detect... is there any legitimate use for putting a <code><nowiki>[[Category:Thing]]</nowiki></code> in any page?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
== How do you use .js and .css subpages? ==
 
 
Super confused... can you edit the .css and .js subpages in CSS or JS? How do you incorporate the CSS and JS into a page? How can you use .js files? Would you have to link the files to ex: your userpage for it to work? Plz help :anyone who has these or knows how to use them<scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 02:07, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{user|jakel181|name}} helped me understand but it was still a little confusing. [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface#Customizing_the_interface This] should help. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 14:23, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
== Scratch Wiki Server and Edit Conflict Problem==
 
 
Internet on the Scratch Wiki has been extremely slow for me for a few days. I'm on Windows 10, and Chrome, Firefox, and Edge are all slow. Because the internet is so slow, it started to load, but then I ended it because I had to do something else. The second time it fully saved, but I had an edit conflict with myself, maybe because the other save went far enough into the process that it actually succeeded. {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 16:44, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:Yes, everything has been really sloooooow <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:38, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:: I've also experienced errors on the Scratch Wiki today. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 18:47, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Hi everyone. This seems to be a problem experienced across our entire user base, not necessarily isolated to one or two users. We are aware of the issue and are actively working to fix this. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 19:35, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Yes, the community portal never loaded either until now (I have been trying for 2 days)<scratchsig>Jedibrine</scratchsig> 00:10, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::We feel like the connectivity should definitely be improving in the next couple of days. Please let us know if there are still issues. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 17:10, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::It has been slower than before. {{e|:(}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:54, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::I found that disabling my adblocker fixes the problem. {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 00:05, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::::We have taken concrete steps to address the issue. Thank you for your continued patience. :) <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:44, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|8}}
 
It has been a lot quicker now! {{e|:D}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:We just downgraded the PHP version to 7.1 from 7.2 since PHP 7.2 is known to cause unnecessary load on webservers. This shouldn't impact functionality since MediaWiki still supports PHP 7.1. Please let us know if any problems come up (or if this results in better performance for everyone).<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 21:08, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::@jvvg: The Extensions like BlockPlugin and also Accounting seem not to work anymore in DE and EN, but work in HU and FR...frodewin changend "localsettings.php" at the HU sysopsite by just outcomenting the Extentions and changed it back accidentaly at the same time you downgraded PHP. Ken introduced "commonsettings.php" as a shared part of "localsettings.php" at EN and DE about a wee ago, but not in FR and HU...so I suppose frodewins test with the HU-"localsettings.php" had no influence, but your downgrade in combination with Kens "commonsettings.php" was the reason that the Extension don't work properly at the moment...strange...or it's just because EN and DE use versions of the Extentions that don't work with PHP 7.1 whereas HU and FR do work with 7.1...{{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 21:43, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Ad problems: The ScratchBlocks Plugin is not working for English and German wikis. <scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 21:47, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::But as a result we now know that the Extentions that don't work at the moment (because of PHP7.1 ?) have been responsible for the slowness oth the Wikis ;-) {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 22:10, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
== April Fools Stuff ==
 
 
{{done}}
 
{{done}}
  
So guys, how do you find your April Fools page?
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[[S:CONTRIB]] says "'''Creating an email is encouraged''' if you haven't already. You will need it if you forget your password.", but the passwords are emailed now, I believe - so I believe it should say something like "'''Creating an email is encouraged''' if you haven't already. You will need it to receive your password." What does everyone think? Or am I missing something? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:33, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
<scratchsig>Dilek10</scratchsig> 09:39, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
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:It's required.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:36, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
:Here's yours: [[Scratch Wiki:April Fools/User:Dilek10]]. You'll also need to add {{t|April Fools}} to the top of your userpage.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:50, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
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::Yeah, so maybe we should put "Creating an email is required" instead. {{E|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! <scratchsig>Dilek10</scratchsig> 09:54, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
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:::I have no objections.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:41, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
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::::Shouldn't be encouraged since it's mandatory like Banana said. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
== Scratch Blocks Bug ==
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:::::Right. {{e|:)}} I'll just change it and if anyone realizes that it shouldn't have been done, we could change it back. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 
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::::::{{done}} - does it look okay?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't know if it is just me but the scratch blocks doesn't render anymore. I tried refreshing cache too. Could it be because of PHP version? Here is an example:
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{{outdent|::::::}}
<sb>move (10) steps</sb> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 02:53, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
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Well {{done}} for spotting and fixing that! I'm completely happy with the changes.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 23:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
:We're looking into it. It's possible it's related to the PHP version change, but we're not sure yet. We will keep you posted.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 03:32, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::I have fixed it. The problem actually had nothing to do with the PHP version change, it was because the Wiki plugin depends on an external script that moved to a new URL.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 03:46, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 

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Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,044edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Done.
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,044edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,044edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

No Not done

Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Time Errors Details/Comments
8 August 2018 400 Bad Request
503 Service Unavailable
I was editing User:Kenny2scratch/common.js, and when I clicked "save page" I hit a "400 Bad Request" error. I pressed the browser "back" button (thanks Chrome for caching form data), and clicked "save page" again, and I encountered "503 Service Unavailable". I went back again, resubmitted, and the edit went through.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
10:26 AM, 3 September 2018 (GMT) Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties I clicked on random page
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 09:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
5:27 PM, 3 September 2018 (HKT) "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties" I was literally attempting to edit this section. When I clicked the "edit" link, it brought me to a page that said:

Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.
(Cannot access the database)


You can try searching Google in the meantime.
Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.


Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

10:07-11:20 PM, 8 September 2018 (HKT) Major outage across all wikis Multiple screenshots: [1][2][3][4]this is the most useful error[5][6][7][8][9][10]

Basically the database failed to connect for a while, causing all sorts of obscure errors. Specifically, at times the required "mysql.sock" file was missing. Looking at server configuration, the MySQL server had to restart itself 11 times during this time period.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

10:44 AM, 2 October 2018 (GMT) 508 Resource Limit Reached Edit a user's talk page
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 09:46, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
4:40 AM, 2 January 2019 (CST) 508 Resource Limit Reached Trying to create a redirect page.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
4:58 PM, 8:02 PM, 10:22 PM, 10:25 PM @ 3 January 2019 (HKT); 12:46 AM @ 4 January 2019 (HKT) 508 Resource Limit Reached


503 Service Unavailable
File upload fail

Frequent outages across all wikis. Most likely caused by traffic spike from 3.0.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
9:12 AM, 4 January 2019 (CST)
9:17 AM, 4 January 2019 (EST)
"Service Unavailable Error [...]
503 Service Unavailable Error"
"508 Resource Limit Reached"
Trying to enter my talk, kept refreshing until worked, came to CP to log fault. Errors repeated until worked.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
15:02:46, 7 February 2019 (UTC) Fatal exception of type DBQueryError I was tring to go to the Community Portal and the website was taking a while to load and then I got the error. It went away after I refreshed the page.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 15:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
9:02 AM, 7 February 2019 (CST) 508 Resource Limit Reached Trying to go to How to Make a Typewriter Effect.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
4:50 AM, 25 May 2019 (UTC) HTTP error: error Clicked the Show preview button while editing User:TenType/Header, when it did not preview and received the error. Clicking the button again resolved the issue.
TenType (talk | contribs) 04:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
11:00 PM, 24 June 2019 (UTC) "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties." Literally attempted to access en.scratch-wiki.info and a few other pages, when I received this:

Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.
(Cannot access the database)


You can try searching via Google in the meantime.
Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.

Waited for like 10 minutes while reloading and the error finally cleared.
TenType (talk | contribs) 07:17, 25 June 2019 (HKT)

Could we have a dedicated page to that?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,574)) 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Nah, just here is fine.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
No Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 20:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
If it comes to the point of like many bugs, maybe we can make a page so that it is easier to navigate with. (archives)
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Not too many right now.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
No Never done! Server faults will always come.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Can we just keep things to UTC for the sake of simplicity?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,574)) 16:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's hard to convert times off the top of one's head - if you really want to know the time in your own timezone, convert it yourself, don't ask the logger to do extra work.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Do we not have this?
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)20:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
Known bugs is for the php bugs (mw bugs). This is for the server fault (connection problems).
Did you not get notified by ken's siggy warner?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  21:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
Known Bugs is for bugs that are consistently reproducible (actual bugs); this is for faults that occur, sometimes randomly, that are not reproducible or only happen once (glitches).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Articles to update for 3.0

No Won't be done for a long time

Hello everyone, it's already January 2nd for me, so I figure I might as well get the preparations started.

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  • Parts that talk about 3.0 features in future tense (e.g. "there will be a new paint editor") should be changed to use present tense (e.g. "there is a new paint editor") or past tense (e.g. "a new paint editor was introduced")
  • Parts that talk about 3.0 changes in future tense (e.g. "the editor will be moved to the right side") should be changed to use past tense (e.g. "the editor was moved to the right side")
  • Parts that mention dates in any tense should have their tense updated (e.g. "the official release will be January 2019" -> "the official release was January 2019")
  • Parts that talk about 2.0 features in any tense (e.g. "the paint editor has these features") should be changed to use past tense (e.g. "the paint editor had these features")
  • Parts that talk about 2.0 changes in any tense (e.g. "the editor was moved to the left") should all be changed to past tense if they haven't already.
  • Take this opportunity to update things that weren't changed from 1.4 days as well.

Progress

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Note Warning: do not copy articles directly from their 3.0 versions!

Though in most cases the information will be correctly updated, make sure to use your own judgement as to its accuracy.

Note Note: Some of the articles listed below need to be created.

Feel free to update this list yourself. Add any articles that you discover that need updates; remove articles that have been updated.

  • Blocks
  • Change () Effect by () (sound block)
  • Development of Scratch 3.0
  • Project
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  • File:Offline Editor Share Icon.png

Remember to take this opportunity to clean up articles as well as update them!

Fix typography or other writing issues as you come across them

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Ask for help when you need it

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Here's to a good 3.0 release!

Hooray.png
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
05:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Oh I thought a bot would do it :P also are we saving old articles, for example Block Plugin(2.0)?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 12:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I thought we were moving 2.0 to a different place and 3.0 to where 2.0 used to be.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Removed some articles from the list :)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
Should Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Front Page (2.0) be updated? It's so similar to Front Page, that it seems redundant to create a new page.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 22:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
I noticed that many of the things needed to be changed were the same in 2.0 and 3.0. What should we do?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Please don't externally link to Wiki pages! And please don't use underscores in links.
I'm pretty sure it's the pictures that need updating. Would you mind adding all the files on that page that need updating to the #Progress list?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Nothing has changed between 2.0 to 3.0 in Front Page, Messages, Discuss, Profiles. (Maybe more but these are all I've been to). The Project page and project editor are the only ones that have.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
The front page has changed, they've just been using the 3.0 skin for a while. Notice how the top bar is bright blue there and on project pages but a darker blue in discuss and the profiles as well as studios. Messages have also been at the 3.0 skin for a while. My stuff (and everything in it, like trash) has not been updated either.
EIephant_Lover (talk | contribs) 02:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Also I think "Images of stuff in 2.0 should be updated to 3.0." should be included. VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  22:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

List of deleted pages

No Not done

(Brought up here after discussion here.)

So, there are currently four lists of deleted pages on this wiki:

  • Mathfreak231's, which is the most comprehensive but is no longer updated in his absence
  • Mine, which is a duplicate of Mathfreak's but hopefully more organized
  • Jammum's Deleted Pages, which are more recent than either of the above
  • Jammum's All Deleted Pages, which seems to be more recent and extensive but has the least information (it's only a list of titles)

I suggest (from jakel181's idea) that these become a single page in projectspace, something like "Scratch Wiki:Deleted Pages". This could be a Scratch Wiki Project.

Advantages
  • More organized
  • One place for all
  • Can be updated by anyone
Disadvantages
None I can think of off the top of my head

Thoughts? Shall we do it?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I think we should! I like the style yours is in, snice it is more oragized, and a bit easier to find pages, so we should base the page off that.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
+1 :)
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 13:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
Just to remind everyone, I have not finished my "All Deleted Pages" page at the time of posting this message. It will be contributed to frequently.
Jammum (talk | contribs) 14:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
To Kenny2Scratch: This will be a great idea, as it will make it more accessible to people. If this get made, maybe put it could be put in the "Navigation" box on the side?
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 21:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
I think the page will not be notable enough to go there.
Jammum (talk | contribs) 07:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
I don't think it goes in the sidebar, it's not that important; however, come to think of it, this is a nice candidate for a Scratch Wiki Project. Thinkest you that this is a suitable mission to embark upon?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I say aye.
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 01:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Kenny2scratch, let's do that!
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Are we going to do this?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - 🔧 Contribs) 11:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I just created a page called User:TenType/Deleted Files, was scrolling through the Community Portal, and found this discussion. :/
Maybe this page could contain pages only and not files? (I really spent a lot of time and effort onto my deleted files page) Anyways, still waiting for a response on whether or not this project will be started.
TenType (talk | contribs) 05:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

“Secret” Compliments

We all know Compliment Tuesday. To suggest compliments we have the S:CT page. It’s a great way to compliment people, but could be even better.

Right now you suggest a compliment, everyone who wants to including the person who was complimented can see it and get posted on CP.

So I thought that’s good but you do let look forward to the CP post because you know if you have been complimented.

I propose proposing compliments on a way no-one else can see apart from the organizer(s). This can be achieved by a Google Form.

Proposed new method:

  • Users suggest compliments on Google Form entering all details as they would before
  • End of the month (organizer)s have admin access to the form and gather responses
  • Posted in CP

This way:

  • Users will look forward to see compliments received and not seeing anytime of the month
  • People will be more encouraged by the compliments

Ideas?
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 07:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

There are pros and cons to this... on one hand, people will be less self-conscious about complimenting if nobody knows it's them, but on the other hand some compliments either don't make sense if you don't know who it is or imply on their own who the person complimenting is. I do like the idea of looking forward to compliments rather than seeing them immediately, but the con to that is people might be disappointed if CT doesn't come out at the end of the month due to not enough people complimenting...
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm on board with this. I still would like to keep the non-secret compliments as a second option if we go about this. The main problem would be moderation. With anonymity, there is more of a chance that something mean would come out of it. An unwritten policy of CT is, if I see a disrespectful "compliment" it won't be included. If we were to use a google forum, we would have to have some way of knowing who compliment who, we can't just ask for a username since we can't verify it wasn't an impostor. Any ideas how to go about this?
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 11:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps (again) an extension? Special:ComplimentTuesday sounds like an interesting idea...
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:50, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
Guess who forked your report extension ;) (or possibly Special:ThankfulThursday :P)
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 12:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
+1 for a Special: page where compliments can be submitted and a way of suggesting public compliments
Logoasqwde.png asqwde talk | contribs 16:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── But also,Scratch and Scratch Wiki are growing up with "Imagine, Program, Share".Here's an rejected example suggestion:

Private Messaging

When communication is public, people are more likely to be respectful because they know that everyone can see it. However, when posting PMs, people know that only the intended recipient can see it, so do not think as much before posting. Even if a "Flag PM" function is implemented, the Scratch Team currently does not have the resources to moderate it, because of the reason said before there would be a lot of inappropriate/disrespectful messages.

– Scratch Team

Also,we can see other's compliments(Google Forms give this in finish of the form,right?).

Shortly:

  • It's a bad idea because...
  • It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages
  • I have some questions about Google Forms security
  • Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)
  • And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging
  • If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work
  • Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)


Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 20:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I would generally discourage the use of google forms for this kind of project given that you are seeking input from the entire community.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
I also disagree with using Google Forms because fake or anonymous users could abuse the feature. However, maybe Special:ComplimentTuesday could be the way to go...
TenType (talk | contribs) 02:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Google Forms are out by multiple Community and Wiki G/guidelines. A special page is the way to go. @Ahmetlii: If we're using a special page, problems solved include:
  • It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages
Compliments would be reviewed before being shown. Inappropriate messages are vandalism and would be treated as such. Yes Solved
  • I have some questions about Google Forms security
No Google Forms. Yes Solved
  • Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)
Not a problem for me, it'll be fun! :) Yes Solved
  • And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging
Compliments are shown to everyone - only who submitted the compliment is hidden. Not private messaging. Yes Solved
  • If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work
Not very much more, and @jakel181 has been doing a great job on CT so far, I'm sure he wouldn't mind looking through the compliments before he posts them.
  • Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)
Not with a special page! Yes Solved
I think a special page is definitely the way to go. I believe the following are the only questions to really consider:
  • Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted?
    • If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate?
  • Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
    • If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
This concludes my post.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
I think we should allow EW/Admins/Bureaucrats see in some fashion. (Maybe not all but a couple)
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  12:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

  • Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted? -Yes, they are. (I don't need it :P)
    • If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate? -It's named as "be shy" :)
  • Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)

-No, we don't because S:JOIN-if somebody want to send a message, they must join and login to the Wiki.

    • If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.

-They can use Scratch profiles to send a message - it's only a Wiki about Scratch.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 17:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Welcome templates

No Limit not yet negotiated

A lot of people have their own "welcome" templates that they post on new users' talk pages. This is a great idea, because new users can get to know new people and, of course, feel welcomed. However, the welcoming effect starts diminishing when things like this happen:

That's a lot of welcomes.PNG

10 different people jumping on the new user is too much - it's not welcoming, it's downright scary! How would you feel if you created an account somewhere and you were confronted with a wall of "welcome"s?

To counteract this, I don't propose forbidding welcomes entirely; what I instead think should be the case is that we have a limit on how many welcome messages can be on a talk page - probably around 4-5 at the most. That does mean it turns into a race as to who can get their message on first, but that can't be helped - if you want to get your message in, ya gotta be active at the right time.

I don't think there's much room for debate on the necessity of the limit, but what can be bargained is the limit itself - how many topics do you think is too many?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I think that a limit of 4-5 is a great idea :) I still remember when I started the messages really confused me. Also, I'd say that if you post a welcome message, it should have a variation of the simple title "Welcome!". I tried to make mine a bit different. I like the "All aboard!" one. Maybe we could say if there are more than eight messages already, really don't put one, but if there are 4-5 try not to put your template, but a personal message is okay.
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
21:06, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
I see this level of enthusiasm as very exciting. While it may be a little intimidating, I look at it more as a great way to integrate yourself with the community immediately and meeting many of the people who you will be working with side-by-side. Nonetheless, I would love to see more data on this and interview some people on their experiences regarding this to see if it does have a negative impact.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
As we are bargaining for this, I was just wondering what we'll be doing now. Should we be limiting welcomes now? Or do we continue welcoming as much as we can :D?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
While the rule is still merely proposed, it is not yet a rule. Welcomes are unlimited until this is put in force.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
It has happened again...
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs  Scratch 
20:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── maybe a way to avoid this is to make the section named a bit different??
Yaov_1991 (talk | contribs) 21:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Can't we make a User_talk:ACCEPTEDUSER/Welcomes page?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,574)) 20:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
That doesn't actually cause a ping tho...
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Block Problems

No Not done, as blocks are still unfinished or broken
Today I started to finish up the script for How to Evaluate an Expression, and things got out of hand. When I first completed it, I realized I did some of the block loops wrong, and it like wrapped around some things that I didn't want to wrap around, while I also couldn't get this one if then else block to wrap around something else — it was all a mess. I cleaned some of it up, but I am afraid I'll make it worse and I already spent more than an hour on it. Also, I have to save it each time I want to check if it is correct, since for some reason the blocks won't load up in Show preview mode (it appears in code) but loads when the changes are saved. Can somebody please fix up the script to match the one in post #19 in this forum topic?
TenType (talk | contribs) 04:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

The blocks still don't match the one in the post, I tried again on my sandbox and it still does not cut out. Anyone who is an expert at doing this?
TenType (talk | contribs) 05:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
You can use this page.
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 07:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Curse Garamol56 for not using forum scratchblocks!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
@Ahmetlii That website may come in handy...
@kenny2scratch Yes, it is so exhausting to convert it into proper scratchblocks!
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

TinyPic is closing down

I'm not sure how many pages this messes up but you should all know that TinyPic is closing down :(
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  19:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Dang, could you name some examples of pages that use TinyPic?
1a3c5e7g9i's Armemedillo 1a3c5e7g9i(Talk|Contributions) 23:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
In case you don't know: Scratch Wiki has its own image hosting (Wiki server) and does not use TinyPic(or cubeupload or anything else) at all.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,044edit 03:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
@1a3c5e7g9i I forget the names right now, but theres one about image hosting I know for sure.
@Apple502j I know, but there are informational pages that will be incorrect.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  14:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
It looks like Jammum updated Image Hosting: see Special:Redirect/revision/231829. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

AF Link Proposal

For April Fools pages, could we convert regular links in the page to the April Fools one instead, if possible?

But we shouldn't go on a massive editing spree for this - only change the links if we stumble upon them or add new ones.
TenType (talk | contribs) 16:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I think that depends on the person that creates the page, but I think that April Fools pages aren't that huge of a deal to change every link, even if stumbled upon. Also, most pages don't have an alternate April Fools page to begin with.
Jedibrine Logo.png Jedibrine  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  05:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Support.

Smileycreations15 Profile Icon.png smileycreations15 (talk | contribs) 12:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
@Jedibrine: Sorry, by "stumbling upon", I meant when we add/modify the contents of an AF page. I don't want too many edits of just converting links.
Also, this will make AF pages more lively and humorous in a way. I myself have been disappointed in the past clicking on a link on an AF page, but found out that it led to a regular article.
And even if there isn't an alternate AF page, so what? We could just add the regular link for now, and then when it gets created, we could change it.
TenType (talk | contribs) 16:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
I thought that on April Fools Day, then if you clicked a link, it would lead to the April Fools version of that page if there is one...
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
22:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
No no, that's not what I meant. What I meant was when you click on a link that's on an AF page, it leads you to the regular page, and my proposal is that we should change those links (once again on AF pages) to lead to the AF version of the link, if possible. Even if this could be rendered useless on April 1st, it still would be more humorous for users who browse AF pages.
TenType (talk | contribs) 00:48, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I don't think this is a good idea. What benefit will this bring? This change would mean that on AF Day, every mainspace page would be linking to the AF subpage instead of linking to other real pages. Then any normal user would suddenly be taken to some cryptic page titled "Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Ignatious Q. Higgenbotham" and not know what they were looking at. Plus, the {{April Fools}} template (which is on every mainspace page with an AF version) shows a header saying "this is a joke, scroll to the bottom for the real article"; the {{AF}} template (which is on the AF versions of mainspace pages) does not. Linking to AF versions from mainspace would remove the ability for educators, New Scratchers, and other members of our audience to get some serious help that they just happened to need on AF Day.

That's my two cents.

BTW, @TenType, there's a shortcut for {{th}} for 1, it's {{st}}. There are also {{nd}} and {{rd}} for convenience.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:17, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't think everyone knows what I'm saying. Only on AF pages should we link to other AF pages; why would we link AF pages from mainspace?
TenType (talk | contribs) 16:04, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Dude. AF pages get transcluded into mainspace on AF Day. The links remain unchanged upon transclusion.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
16:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Welp, yes, but this would also benefit users who browse AF pages when it's not AF day.
TenType (talk | contribs) 17:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't really know that many people that browse AF pages outside of AF day, and there are ways for people to access AF pages if they really need to. If people want to reach a page on AF day, all they will find are AF pages.
Jedibrine Logo.png Jedibrine  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  04:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
I've made a change to the {{April Fools}} template (the one that goes on mainspace) so that it shows a little icon in the top right that links to the AF version. That should make things easier for the minority that browses AF pages, which substitutes the only real benefit of this; therefore I shall consider this Yes Done.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! August 1th, 2019

Welcome to the 21st Thankful Thursday! August 1st, 2019.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Compliments

The Compliments are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs)
4199531979353717123 (talk | contribs)
TenType (talk | contribs)
jvvg (talk | contribs)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The next TT is August 29th. See you then!


Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

No Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Isn't that supposed to be August 1st?
TenType (talk | contribs) 17:54, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Split Help talk:Welcome/4

Help talk:Welcome/4 is used by new Wikians to test out using talk pages. But, there is also a real discussion on the page named 'Blanking' (although before the actual discussion, there are a few talk page tests).

I suggest that all test discussions should be moved to its own talk page (that is a sub-page of the real talk page), which could be named something like 'Help talk:Welcome/4/Testing'.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - 🔧 Contribs) 07:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

New Featured Images

No Not done

Hey! Soon, on August 12th, it'll have been a month since we updated the Featured Images yet. This time, I don't want to do them late like I have in the past, so does anyone have any suggestions? :D
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

A photo of somewhere tropical.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 21:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
I don't understand - is this a joke (if it isn't, I'm not trying to offend; simply trying to understand)? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
It is.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 13:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-archive TIME!

FYI These CPND topics are to be archived:

And don't forget S:CPSYS!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,044edit 01:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Wow, a lot of pages in the Not Done section can be archived! :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:26, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes Done!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Minor Change to S:CONTRIB

Yes Done

S:CONTRIB says "Creating an email is encouraged if you haven't already. You will need it if you forget your password.", but the passwords are emailed now, I believe - so I believe it should say something like "Creating an email is encouraged if you haven't already. You will need it to receive your password." What does everyone think? Or am I missing something? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:33, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

It's required.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,574)) 16:36, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, so maybe we should put "Creating an email is required" instead. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
I have no objections.  
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,574)) 16:41, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't be encouraged since it's mandatory like Banana said.
TenType (talk | contribs) 23:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Right. :) I'll just change it and if anyone realizes that it shouldn't have been done, we could change it back. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes Done - does it look okay?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Well Yes Done for spotting and fixing that! I'm completely happy with the changes.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
23:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)