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[[Category:Community]]
 
== Bulletin Board for Not-Done Topics ==
 
== Bulletin Board for Not-Done Topics ==
 
{{not done}} (this will never be done completely, so don't archive!)
 
{{not done}} (this will never be done completely, so don't archive!)
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Here's some things that we need your help for.
 
Here's some things that we need your help for.
 
=== Are these done? ===
 
* [[S:CPND#Lack of curiosity at Scratch Wiki?]] - articles are made
 
* [[S:CPND#Should "Griffpatch" become a wiki article?]] - seems rejected
 
  
 
=== <span id="Not done">Other Topics</span> ===
 
=== <span id="Not done">Other Topics</span> ===
 
Topics that are not listed above.
 
Topics that are not listed above.
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==== About Scratch 3.0 ====
 
==== About Scratch 3.0 ====
 
* [[S:CPND#A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All]]
 
* [[S:CPND#A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All]]
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==== About Wiki Management ====
 
==== About Wiki Management ====
 
===== Backend =====
 
===== Backend =====
* [[S:CPND#Mobile Device Skin & Responsive Design for Scratch-Wikis ?]]
 
 
* [[S:CPND#Embedding of Scratch Projects]]
 
* [[S:CPND#Embedding of Scratch Projects]]
* [[S:CPND#Things We have to Do]]
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===== Page Management =====
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* [[S:CPND#Help:Contents Is missing some help pages]]
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* [[S:CPND#Not Done doesn't get enough attention]]
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* [[S:CPND#Not Done]]
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* [[S:CPND#Split the Paint Article]]
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* [[S:CPND#New page for mall simulators]]
  
 
===== Rules =====
 
===== Rules =====
 
* [[S:CPND#custom signatures]]
 
* [[S:CPND#custom signatures]]
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* [[S:CPND#Account Request Notes]]
 
* [[S:CPND#We have to delete Fair Use]]
 
* [[S:CPND#We have to delete Fair Use]]
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* [[S:CPND#Relax S:NOSP even more]]
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* [[S:CPND#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]]
  
 
===== Interwiki =====
 
===== Interwiki =====
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{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 
{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 
:(I have edited this topic a little from its original version){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 
:(I have edited this topic a little from its original version){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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::Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
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:::Done.
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:::Updated the list as the author.{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
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::::Updated! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Logging server faults ==
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{{not done|Never Done}}
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[[/Logging server faults|See dedicated subpage]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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== Misdirected Request error ==
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{{not done|Moved to [[Scratch Wiki:Bugs]]}}<br/>
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Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.  {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::I have this problem too, also on an iPad. I might have gotten it on my computer before, but I don't remember.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 11:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::It happened on my Windows desktop just today. I think the Wifi disconnected when the screen turned off, maybe something similar happened to the iPads? <scratchsig>Jettypumpkin07</scratchsig> 11:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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== Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically ==
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{{not done}}<br/>It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:TemplatesFTW [[Special:Diff/254239|already does that]]; or do you mean a different way of automating it? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::@ContourLines  {{-}} you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, [[S:STYLE]] says not to use the external link markup (see [[Scratch Wiki:Style Guide#internal-scratch-links|#internal-scratch-links]]). You can use <code><nowiki>[[users:USERNAME]]</nowiki></code> for users, <code><nowiki>[[studios:ID]]</nowiki></code> for studios, and <code><nowiki>[[projects:ID]]</nowiki></code> for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to [[S:STYLE]] (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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== [[How to Connect to the Physical World]] Is really outdated ==
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[[How to Connect to the Physical World]] is really outdated. <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
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:Please use internal links for links to other Scratch Wiki pages. As for this, maybe you could try to update part of it yourself? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
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::@Jammum Thank you for pointing out the usage of an external link. I've corrected the formatting so that @GrahamSH can see how it is done correctly (@Jammum please wait for an EW/administrator to correct if you see this elseware). @GrahamSH I would ask that you be more specific in the types of changes that we should collaborate in order to accomplish. Thanks <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 17:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
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== Would it possible to prevent users from using external links to wiki pages in the AbuseFilter? ==
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Question is in title. If this were to be implemented (if it even is possible), would it apply to all non-userspace or just mainspace? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 10:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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:It's possible but I would never do this because sometimes there's a legitimate use for external links. Possibly an AbuseFilter warning, rather than disallow?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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::I am asking about disallowing external links to other Scratch Wiki pages, not all external links.  {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 09:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::There is sometimes a legitimate use for external links to the Scratch Wiki, e.g.: [{{fullurl:Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal|action=purge}}]
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:::Unless you're just talking about content pages. Still, though, there are probably some special cases where disallowing it would be inconvenient. A warning might be good, though. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::: The fullurl template can be used for some of those links that cannot be linked normally, so does that solve the problem? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::: (Reviving this) I think if a user uses an external link to Scratch Wiki pages, the proper way to do a link to another Wiki page could be shown. The edit could either be warned or prevented. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Allowing borders in custom sigs ==
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I think we should allow borders in custom signatures. [[S:CSIG]] states that there shouldn't be borders in custom sigs, but so many people already have it in their signatures (kenny2scratch, 12944qwerty, EIephant_Lover, Dominic305, ahmetlii, ContourLines, ajsya, etc.) As long as the border isn't needlessly large or flashy, I believe it's fine. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 03:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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:I don't recall whether the rule disallows all borders. In either case, though, this is a conflict of interest because I see you have borders in your signature too...
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:I agree, but then again I have borders already as well. I'd prefer if some people without borders contributed an opinion.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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::I think it's fine as long as it's not too large or draws any extra attention to the signature. I'm not sure how large "too large" would be though. {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 15:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::I agree too; I think also as long as it doesn't break lines (like text shadows) it should be allowed. But I'm biased too because I use them :P{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 16:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Thankful Thursday! August 27{{th}}, 2020 ==
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 031}}
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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The next TT is, September 25{{th}}, see you then!<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done}}<scratchsig><scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig>
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== Time for some more...images that will be featured! ==
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{{not done}}
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I don't know, I had to think of another title idea. {{e|:P}}
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If you have any ideas for [[Scratch Wiki Home/Featured Images|featured images]], feel free to post them below! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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:<s>I think we should feature an image of the [[S:CPND]] discussion that suggests adding a designated page for featured image suggestions.</s> {{e|:P}}
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:I think that [[:File:Comment Activity.PNG|this image]] is nice, but perhaps we should update it (and the other images on [[Scratch Statistics]]). {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 03:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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::I'm thinking [[:File:P2S_is_a_bunch_of_fluffy_kittens.PNG|this image]] is good enough to be featured.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 07:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::<s>@Groko13 {{-}} yes. {{e|:P}}</s>
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:::How about [[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]]? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::+1, but first change the file's name with a consensus.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::(Update: [[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]] is now [[:File:Report Project.png]].) {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::::[[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]] also needs to be updated, the report button was moved.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 01:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}'''+1''' for the report project image!
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<br/>@Dominic305 Added the template to [[:File:Report Project.png]]. Someone can update it if they wish. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Updated}} {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 18:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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== RfC about the usage of fixed with in ScratchWikiSkin2 ==
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Hello all. As you may have noticed, ScratchWikiSkin2 seems to used a fixed width (similar to Fandom's Oasis skin), as a holdover from previous skins designed to look similar to scratch.mit.edu -- however, I and several other users have noticed an increasing number of problems using fixed width. Fixed widths generally leave a large amount of the screen entirely unused, and show a small amount of the page content. It also introduces design problems that rely on fixed width and break for some users. The current, fixed width style, looks a bit like [https://i.imgur.com/xavOxGN.png this]. I am proposing to use free-styled width based on the screen resolution (a mockup something like [ https://i.imgur.com/UEd14yX.png this], ignore the blue line, that is accidental and will not be shown in the final version). This allows for a larger content space, as well as making the view more consistent across skins. Please let me know if you support or oppose this proposal. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 00:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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: Addendum: I would also appreciate if all could specify what skin they use when commenting? (The information is helpful, most are likely either using ScratchWikiSkin2 or Vector, but others like me primarily use Monobook). <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 01:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I support. Fixed width looks <i>terrible</i>. (Reply to the addendum: I use SWS2) {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 01:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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:(SWS2 user) Consistency across skins is completely irrelevant - consistency with the Scratch website is more important. We use fixed width to emulate the mainsite, which does the same. If you want free width, you can make a user CSS file for it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: I personally am of the belief that consistency with the Scratch website is "completely irrelevant" -- this is a third party site with different needs and goals. This is where a lot of the design has been poured into as well, such as by changing the header to a different color. There does indeed appear to be support for increasing the width apart from Kenny2scratch's comment. However, custom CSS files are not relevant here as what is being discussed is not personal views (I use Monobook) but what would actually improve the skin, primarily to those logged out and browsing the wiki. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 17:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: I agree with the above statement. I have an <s>ebic gamer</s> HD monitor, and SWS2 is tiny on my monitor. There are at least 500 pixels of free space. It almost looks like it was designed for a tablet (it fits perfectly on iPadOS). This is the reason why I use Vector because it takes up almost all of my monitor space. You technically ''could'' make a CSS script for it, but the majority of users here (not everyone) don't know any other programming languages and/or markup languages than Scratch. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::If you like Vector, use Vector. If you like SWS2 enough to keep using it but also want non-fixed width, then use user CSS. For those not logged in, fixed width is what they get, because that's what they'll be used to from the Scratch website. I don't consider fill width an improvement, only a matter of preference. Find me examples of people (who have no relation to you) actually asking for fill width SWS on, say, the forums, and then it'll be more worth considering.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 15:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I support. While garnetluvcookie said it looks like it's designed for a tablet, personally I prefer setting zoom to 75% or 85% on most pages. However setting the zoom on the Wiki causes content to get squished and lots of tables (including on File: pages) to overflow into the empty space. And on my 1080p display, it looks like a site designed for computers from 2009.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Centralized Cross-Wiki Discussion ==
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Hi everyone,
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Since all of the various Scratch Wikis are hosted on the same server and part of a common community, they have a number of things in common, including outreach efforts (such as Wiki Wednesday) and technical aspects. This means that some changes (especially technical ones) will affect ''all'' wikis, not just the Wiki for one language. We usually like to seek community feedback before implementing major changes, but currently there is no centralized place to do that between all languages. As a result, changes either do not get community input at all or just get input from the community for one language (usually English, i.e. this one). We do have the [[:tw:Test Scratch Wiki Home|Test Wiki]] for both new language-specific Wikis off the ground and coordinating cross-wiki stuff.
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Therefore, I propose making it so anyone who has an account on ''any'' language-specific Wiki may have an account on the Test Wiki (you would still need to request it, but you can just say "I have an account on [language] Wiki") and that we host all cross-Wiki discussions there. Announcements for any major discussions would still be posted on the English Community Portal so everybody remains aware of any active discussions without having to check the Test Wiki Recent Changes.
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Thoughts, everyone?<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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: I think this is a great idea. Probably because I helped with writing the proposal, but good! <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 01:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I also think this is a great idea! It's important that we have a place for conveniently discussing matters that involve all the wikis, and this would provide that place. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I agree with this as well! {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 01:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Handy links to the discussions on the other wikis about this:
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:* German: [[de:Scratch-Wiki Diskussion:Gemeinschafts-Portal#Zentralisierte Cross-Wiki-Diskussion]]
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:* Indonesian: [[id:Pembicaraan Scratch-Indo-Wiki:Portal Komunitas#Diskusi Lintas-Wiki Terpusat]]
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:* Russian: [[ru:Обсуждение Скретч Вики:Портал сообщества#Централизованное кросс-вики-обсуждение]]
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:* Japanese: [[ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場#一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション]]
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:* Dutch: [[nl:Dutch Scratch-Wiki:Gebruikersportaal#Gecentraliseerde cross-wiki-discussie]]
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:* French: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
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:* Hungarian: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
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:* Test: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
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:The discussions on the other wikis link back here (since jvvg used Google Translate to translate this version into each language). I wanted to post these here so that the users reading this topic can see what the users on other wikis think about this idea. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: This idea would benefit a lot. Also, I have a question about this: would the cross-wiki discussion be separate from the Test Wiki community portal, or would they be on the same page.
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:: I also wrote earlier in a probably now archived topic that I was not planning to join the test wiki, but if this gets implemented, I might join to take part in those discussions. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::The French Scratch Wiki now has a discussion about this here: [[fr:Discussion Scratch Wiki en Français:Accueil de la Communauté#Centralized Scratch Wiki Discussions]] {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Also, the discussion on the Japanese Scratch Wiki was moved to this page: [[ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場/一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション]] {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: I have another question about this idea: if this were to happen, would any language be used (I myself do not speak any language other than English fluently) or will only English be used in cross-wiki discussions? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::I support, even though I already have a test wiki account {{e|:P}}. Also, we should consider modifying common.js so it shows "Test" rather than "Twi" in the left sidebar, but I'll add that as a proposal to the new Test Wiki CP when it's set up. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 19:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}} (Level of indentation is to reply to OP) Question about the Request on Test Wiki thing; I have moved since I requested, do I have to request an account for this account, or can I use my new account? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I support, maybe we should make a single sign on so when you have a wiki account you automatically get a test wiki account.<scratchsig>Acebsa</scratchsig> 20:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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== An idea ==
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Hi everyone,
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I had an idea recently to make a way for non-wiki editors to suggest changes if they don't want to go through the hassle of making a wiki account. Maybe a google form or something that editors can look at and, if needed, make the change.
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<scratchsig>Acebsa</scratchsig> 04:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Scratchers are allowed to suggest changes through the Scratch Wiki's forum topic. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 04:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: For reference, the Scratch Wiki forum topic is located [[topic:294197|here]]. It is also used to ask questions about the wiki as well. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::The issue with that, I found, is that few actually know about it and the non-wikian posts are just random questions about scratch in general.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 16:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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== [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 107#Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies]] continuation ==
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I am just reviving the discussion  mentioned in the title above because it was archived and it did not seem to be completed. Also, on the latest Wiki Wednesday topic, no notice in the first post telling Scratchers not to spam in the topic was put in.
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In the discussion linked above, I mentioned some examples of what the notice would mention as being spam. I also think posts only saying 'Hi', 'Hello' or something similar could also be mentioned as being spam. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 15:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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: Isn't it just common sense ''not'' to spam?  It's already against the CGs, so I don't see a use for it or it's because I stalk the Announcements forum, get a first-page post, and move on. It could be useful to the 5 year-olds here that need a notice saying "Don't spam, it's sUpEr AnNoYiNg!11!!1" <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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== RfC about User:Gdpr000001, User talk:Gdpr000001 and <s>S:B</s> redirects ==
  
== New page for intro/outro ==
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As explained in the title, these are discussed on their related talk pages and [[User talk:Ahmetlii]], but I'd like to an RfC for solving the question.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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: The first two have already been discussed at [[Talk:Gdpr0000001#Removing_several_redirects_to_this_page]] to delete, neutral on where S:B is targetted. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 06:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::But also, the discussion about gdpr has a few users and only 2 active users(me and Naleksuh), this doesn't mean a consensus because it goes to a discussion between two users.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
  
I think this is a big thing right know so should we have a main space article about intros/outros on one page or on two pages? Also will anyone help we write it?<br>{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 13:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
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== Suggestion: Resolved and Unresolved Templates ==
:Hmmmm, are you talking about a intro/outro to a project?<scratchsig>NYCDOT</scratchsig> 20:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 
::Yes i am<br>{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 16:38, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:::{{not done}}{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 14:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
 
::::It should be a single article called "Intros and Outros." "Intro" and "Outro" should redirect to it.{{User:Millie S/signature}} 17:08, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 
::::: I think a single article, to which the searches "Intro" and "Outro" direct to, would be good. It would be useful to Scratchers who don't know what they are and might try to search for one or the other but want to know about both.<br><scratchsig>SuperWhale123</scratchsig> 09:31, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::That is a good idea. <scratchsig>Sti_scratch</scratchsig> 04:45, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 
  
== English Scratch Club ==
 
 
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The [https://scratch-dach.info/wiki/Scratch-Wiki:Scratch_Club Scratch club] is a weekly meeting among a group of Scratchers which are contributing actively to the Scratch Wiki and to Scratch in general. The meetings are used to discuss important issues, most notable was the discussion if the transition of the english Wiki should take place. Currently, the weekly meetings are held in German, but we used to have an international Scratch club following after the German one. An alternative could be to make it alternating every week between German and English. As a start, who of the English and international Wiki administrators would be interested in it and able to join? And what would be better: weekly every Monday at 9:00 PM CET or bi-weekly at 8:00 PM? Once I get a tendency about the ''if'' and ''when'', I will bring it up at the next German Scratch club, perhaps already next Monday. <scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 20:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
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There are many discussions on talk pages on the wiki that get abandoned until someone discovers them again. Wouldn't it be helpful if we had a list of all the pages with unresolved discussions that have yet to be finished? Here are some advantages to a list like this:
:Aw man! I wish I was a admin. Well, I am pretty sure someone (Cough cough Kenny2scatch Cough Cough)<scratchsig>NYCDOT</scratchsig> 22:14, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
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:I would definitely like to join, but neither 8 or 9 PM CET work for me - I'm in Hong Kong, and 8PM CET is 3AM HKT... Best would be on weekends, since everyone's time is likely to be more flexible - on weekdays, we have work and school, but on weekends times that would normally be during work/school are usually ok. Would 2PM CET on Saturdays (or Sundays) be workable?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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* In many cases, discussions won't get abandoned without being documented as unresolved discussions somewhere.
::Hey, I noticed where I live, that 8/9 PM is 3 PMEST(end of school day!), but 2PM CET is 8AMEST which is not good.<scratchsig>NYCDOT</scratchsig> 11:53, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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* Users who want discussions to contribute to can just look at the list for some unresolved discussions.
:::I know this has been inactive for a ''very'' long time.
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* It would improve the wiki's organization.
:::Neither 8 or 9 PM CET work for me either, as they are 12 and 1 PM, which is in the middle of the school day, and I am busy on the weekends at that time. How about an "always open" meeting where you can post anytime? {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 18:55, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
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::::FYI: Time for Scratch Club have now changed to every Wednesday, 8 PM CET <scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 11:40, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
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I think one way we could implement a system like this would be with two templates: {{t|unresolved}} and {{t|resolved}}.
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The {{t|unresolved}} template would mark the discussion with "unresolved." It would also add the page to the hidden category [[:Category:Pages With Unresolved Discussions]], and provide a link to the category. If the page was in the "User talk" namespace, it would not be added to the category. This is so that if users want to use the templates on their own talk pages, they can, but users looking for discussions to participate in won't have to dig through user talk pages. There would also be a <code>cat=no</code> option to manually prevent the page from being added to the category. I've created a draft of this template at [[User:Bigpuppy/Unresolved]]. Note that the category part is commented out right now, so that pages don't get added to a nonexistent category. If this suggestion gets accepted, it will be un-commented.
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The {{t|resolved}} template would mark the discussion with "resolved." It would have a <code>date</code> parameter that would show when the discussion was resolved. Resolved discussions would not be added to any category (unless that is something we want). I've created a draft of this template at [[User:Bigpuppy/Resolved]].
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Here are answers to some questions you may have:
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;Don't we already have the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?
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:Yes. However, those templates don't have all of the functionality that the {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates would provide. If we added this functionality to the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates, all of the discussions that were not actually marked {{done}} but still have the template on them (e.g. if the template was used in casual conversation) would be added to the category.
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;Would these templates replace the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?
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:No. Those templates would still be used in casual conversation and in tandem with the {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates (e.g. "is this conversation {{done}}?"). The {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates would be used more formally at the top of discussions.
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;Would use of these templates be required?
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:No. However, it would be recommended, so that the page gets added to the category of pages with unresolved discussions.
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;Would anyone be allowed to add these templates to any discussion, even ones they didn't create?
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:Yes. Similar to how the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates are used now, anyone would be able to mark a discussion as resolved or unresolved, even if they didn't create it.
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;The drafts you created look curiously similar to the {{t|shortcut}} template.
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:That's because I based part of their code on the {{t|shortcut}} template. {{e|:P}}
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{{user|Kenny2scratch|name}} implemented semi-similar templates at [[User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks]]. They are similar in that they are templates located in the top-right of a discussion and show whether the discussion is done or not.
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So, thoughts? Do you like the idea? Do you think it could use some improvement? Do you think we shouldn't create these templates at all? Please share your thoughts below. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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:We already have S:CPND as a "unresolved" placeholder archive. I didn't see any usage of it unless marking "resolved" and "unresolved", and this gets another question: Will it be done or will not? (like 1 and 0, not includes 2 or 4). I don't think it's not important enough and @Kenny2scratch is using his permalinks to "never done" topics. I can support never done but not resolved-unresolved. Any opinions?{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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::[[S:CPND]] isn't really relevant here because this wouldn't necessarily be used on the CP (but it could); the main purpose is for things like article talk pages. Could you clarify what you mean in the rest of your comment? Also, [[User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks]] includes done topics; look at the statuses on the right of each discussion. However, that was just an example. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I don't think it's necessary for article talk pages, because they don't need an archive or a job queue. It's not necessary as I think and said before.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Thank you for your opinion. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::You're welcome. {{e|:)}} {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Couldn't we just add the functionality to {{t|done}} and {{t|not done}}? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Please see the answer to "Don't we already have the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?" in my original post. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:41, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:True, but you also stated that we could use <code>cat=no</code> as the default cat option. That way, all you'd need to do for casual conversation is add {{t|not done}} on the section. But on an "official" conversation, we would add <code>cat=yes</code>.
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:2 questions though: Would only {{t|unresolved}} add to a category? And, doesn't adding to a category add the entire page? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::Oops, first question has been answered as soon as i posted lol <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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== GitHub interwiki links ==
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There seem to be a lot of GitHub links (including references) to the Scratch Wiki. Although the URL is not very long, maybe LLK github links (and maybe other github links) could have an interwiki link made for them (such as gh-llk, not 'gh' due to the presence of non-LLK github links as well). {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I don't think so. Github is an external link, even its links host Scratch repos. They may cause confusion. Plain links are a better solution.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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== About updating MediaWiki ==
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TL;DR: We're doing some tests to update MediaWiki due to some problems.  Probably the wiki shut down for a few hours when it's ready to be installed. (Note: This is not an official explanation because made by me, so may be ignored)
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As the developers, we're currently experiencing some problems on general extensions due to errors; and to solve them, we're thinking to upgrade our wiki to 1.35. This upgration will change a lot of things, from icons to security patch; so we're doing patches to ensure that our extensions will work successfully. When all preparations are completed, probably someone from admins will make an explanation.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
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: Where did you get the information about the MediaWiki update here? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump ==
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TL;DR: We're upgrading to MediaWiki Version 1.35. Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2020
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=== Why upgrade? ===
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Currently we're using MediaWiki 1.28, which is unsupported. This caused some problems and MW 1.28 is also incompatible with some extensions. This is why we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35, a LTS version soon to be stable.
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=== Timeline ===
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Time not set, but this is a big project which can take weeks.
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=== Checklist ===
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Extensions and Skins:
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchWikiSkin2
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchLogin (patch applied to fix warning)
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* {{done|Replaced}} ConfirmAccount (new version built)
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* {{done|Compatible}} Report (patch needs review)
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchSig
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* {{done|Replaced}} EditAccount (new version built)
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchBlocks4
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* {{done|Compatible}} RecentChangesWebhooks
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* {{done|Compatible}} VisualEditor (but sb blocks will be only seen as string)
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Bots:
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* {{done|Compatible}} InterwikiBot
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* {{done|Compatible}} TemplatesFTW
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* {{doing|Internal errors}} WikiMonitor (has problems about dependencies)
  
== Not Done ==
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Misc:
{{not done}}<!-- lol -->
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* {{done|Compatible}} Special:BlockList patch - new version created
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* {{done|Compatible}} Common.css
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* {{doing|Incompatible}} Common.js (sigwarn is problematic)
  
I know someone already brought it up...<br/>
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{{collapse top|List of all extensions and skins installed on all wikis}}
Anyways, Not Done is not getting any attention. I know that Kenny2scratch already added “Things To Do” on the left sidebar, and the TOC of Not Done, yet no one seems to notice it. I think that we should release an announcement to all existing editors about ND, and all incoming users about ND on their welcome page. In fact, I’m going to add that to my welcome right now.<br/>
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Status: C - Compatible, I - Incompatible
Any thoughts?{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 23:53, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
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* C: Cologne Blue (en)
:Nice idea, support! <br>{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 12:06, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
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* C: Modern (en)
::Thanks!{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 15:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
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* C: MonoBook (en)
:::Support, I think that is a great idea. <scratchsig>Purplewolves</scratchsig> 20:32, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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* C: ScratchWikiSkin2 (en)
::::Thanks for support!{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 22:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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* C: Vector (en)
:::::No worries. <scratchsig>Purplewolves</scratchsig> 22:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
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* C: CategoryTree (en)
::::::Support better way to mark not done. Should the TOC on the CP mark out all the not done discussions in a different text color, or something like that? One idea
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* C: CheckUser (en)
::::::{{User:KrIsMa/Sig}} 03:45, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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* I: ConfirmAccount (en)
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* I: EditAccount (en)
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* C: Interwiki (en)
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* C: Random In Category (en)
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* C: Report (en)
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* C: ScratchLogin (en)
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* C: CharInsert (en)
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* C: Cite (en)
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* C: CodeMirror (en)
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* C: InputBox (en)
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* C: ParserFunctions (en)
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* C: RandomSelection (en)
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* C: mw-ScratchBlocks4 (en)
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* C: SyntaxHighlight (en)
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* C: NativeSvgHandler (en)
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* C: AbuseFilter (en)
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* C: RecentChangesWebhooks (en)
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* C: WikiEditor (en)
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* C: DismissableSiteNotice (en)
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* C: EventLogging (en)
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* C: Google Analytics Integration (en)
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* C: GuidedTour (en)
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* C: DynamicPageList3 (de)
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* C: EmbedScratch (de)
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* C: EmbedPhosphorus (de)
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* C: EmbedVideo (de)
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* C: Labeled Section Transclusion (de)
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* C: Lockdown (de)
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* C: Admin Links (ja)
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* I: Contribution Scores (ja)
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* C: MassMessage (ja)
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* C: Newest Pages (ja)
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* I: ImagePagePrintLink (ja)
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* C: ImageMap (ja)
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* C: OpenGraphMeta (ja)
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* C: YouTube (ja)
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* C: RelatedArticles (ja)
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* C: AutoSitemap (ja)
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* C: BetaFeatures (ja)
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* C: Description2 (ja)
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* C: Disambiguator (ja)
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* C: GuguruSearch (ja)
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* C: InterwikiSorting (ja)
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* C: RevisionSlider (ja)
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* I: SearchStats (ja)
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* C: TextExtracts (ja)
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=== Discussion ===
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This is gonna be big. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 08:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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: Question: Is Vector going to be compatible with it? I sometimes use SWS2 but I mostly use Vector on my laptop. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: @garnetluvcookie: Definitely because MediaWiki uses Vector as default.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 13:45, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Thanks! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::While we are doing this, can we add the VisualEditor? I have used it at snapwiki.miraheze.org, and it works great! I'm so excited for this update! <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 22:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::We are planning on adding the Visual Editor, however a bit of adaptation is necessary. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 01:03, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Why is the VisualEditor incompatible with ScratchWikiSkin2? As far as I know, (and I've been exploring this) the skin has all of the necessary hooks. Has anyone tried it? <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 16:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::@GrahamSH: I tried and tested. I know it has all necessary hooks, but also it cannot simulate the editing visually(because our skin is restrictive). We (as all developers in the Wikis) are looking for compatibility.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::::Update: VisualEditor is working currently with a few unimportant things like sb is not seen as block.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|7}}(Remember to outdent at 6) What changes are there between 1.28 and 1.35? I know there's visual editor but I'm not sure what else.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:If Scratchblocks are to be added to the VisualEditor here, how will they be inputted? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::@Jammum: We're working on it for editing blocks visually. Probably we will use text, but also the blocks will be seen instantly on VisualEditor when someone did an edit on the Scratchblocks text.
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::@Dominic305: There are a lot changes, I suggest you to read all changelogs between 1.28 and 1.35.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 07:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Will the extension Popups be enabled instead of the current thing in the common.js? Popups, (the extension) is much better. <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 12:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: Also, since Special:BlockList patch is broken, you could try using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 14:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Thanks for the helping, but the developers is thinking that manually editing MediaWiki is better than use an extension for it. Anyway, thanks again! {{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::: I am not sure where Ahmetlii got the idea above-- nobody has even ''suggested'' that, in addition to it being a bad idea for a number of technical reasons that I am sure ISW understands. There have not been any suggestions for a way of implementing Special:BlockList privacy, but I will see about some solutions. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 18:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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For VisualEditor, couldn't you do something similar to the way it's done in scratch forums?<br/>
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<small><small><s>I wish I could help but I don't know a single thing about PHP</s></small></small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I don't think so. BBS systems and wikis are two different things. <small>btw, I'm not also good at PHP (my specialty is Python on backend)</small>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::They are, but I wasn't saying that you use the systems. I was just saying to use the concepts of how the scratchblocks are entered into the visual space.
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::<small><small>SAME, but I actually don't know a single thing of PHP</small></small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Actually, it could look for typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"<scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::<s>What do you mean by the tags are found? We use <code><nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki></code> tags to make scratchblocks on the wiki...</s>
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::::<s>In the visualeditor, we could just make a button, that will make something similar to the templates popup in the visualeditor. Then edit and it makes the block!</s>
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::::Edit conflict lol, but I wouldn't recommend deleting your entire post and replacing it with something else. It doesn't tell others what your previous thoughts were, (they could support you, or not) And is that <code>typof=</code> supposed to link anywhere? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::In the visualeditor, elements with scratchblock have <code>typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"</code> in their html. But, there is no text (shown) that says <nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki><scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 01:05, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::That's because <nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki> get's replaced with <code><nowiki><pre class="block"></nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki><code class="block"></nowiki></code> to make scratch blocks...
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::::::I'm sorry but I don't understand your point. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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Perhaps make all of the Not Done topics have bold titles? That should attract attention to them for those who browse the TOC.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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I looked at the MediaWiki website and it said that the EditAccount extension is archived, which might be why it does not work on the latest MediaWiki version. Is it going to be forked or replaced?
:Maybe what we could do is put the Not Done Topics in Red in the TOC of the CP, the done topics Green in the TOC of the CP, and the in progress discussions the blue color it currently is.{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 12:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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{{User:Jammum/Signature}} 10:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
::I agree with KrIsMa, Kenny2scratch, and NYCDOT on having some way to show which topics are done and which are not done, but how would we make topics show as a different color in the table of contents?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:31, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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:We're working on it. The only thing is we will not use EditUser (because it's so restrictive). Please check the GitHub repos of the International Scratch Wiki for public changelogs of the Scratch Wiki systems.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 11:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
:::That...is a really good question. I have no idea. I really don't.{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 19:22, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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::apple502j has created an alternative to EditAccount that can be used on MediaWiki 1.35: [https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/PassEdit PassEdit]. The original reason we needed EditAccount was for the case when users forgot their passwords and emails were set incorrectly (or they entered their email incorrectly when requesting an account and couldn't get their password sent to them when their account was created). However, now that we have ScratchLogin, that is no longer an issue, since users can reset their password by using their Scratch account. We have tested the extension and it does work, but we are not sure if we will enable it or not.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 23:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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== am i allowed to edit user messages if... ==
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Am I allowed to edit user messages if the user calls me something I don't like to be called (only to fix what they call me)? Lots of people call me "Garnetluvcookie", which I don't like because I'm very sensitive about how the G in my name is capitalized. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: That is not an allowed usage of editing others' messages. Especially not when Garnetluvcookie ''is'' infact your username, although you may prefer something else and are allowed to make others aware of that. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 19:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: oml is this just to trigger me <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: also my scratch username ''is'' @garnetluvcookie, MediaWiki just auto capitalized the G. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: The message was not intended to "trigger" anything-- you asked a question and I answered it. While I am aware that MediaWiki does strictly capitalize username, and you are allowed to edit your signature or use displaytitles on your user (talk) page as appropriate, it would not be appropriate to chastise others for referring to what is your actual name. It also does not constitute editing another users' message as this can sometimes misrepresent what they are saying. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 19:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message. To '''g'''arnetluvcookie, ask Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Just don't ask him right now, of course. He's busy with his studies. (So am I but I can't resist replying to talk messages...){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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: "Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message." This sarcastic comment is not helpful here. The point is that messages are edited when they are in violation of policies or when they are causing some other problem (for example, messages with erroneous formatting such as unclosed tags, messages adding a page to a category, or something like that. In addition, I ''have'' had others edit my messages in a way that changes their meaning before that has needed to be undone. The actors were doing so in good faith, but it was still problematic.
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: "Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him." So, he has a bias, meaning probably ''not'' the best ask. Instead, see the already existing well-established policy which says it should not be edited. In general, talk page messages are treated like userspace. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 00:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::garnetluvcookie, I realize that you may not like the name, but you shouldn't change another person's edit. Instead, you should reply kindly asking them to stop calling you that and to call you the names you prefer.
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::You also shouldn't be "triggered" against a capitilization. MediaWiki, and autocorrect, will capitilize yours, and others, names.
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::If they continue calling you that name (or purposely capitilize it), that's a completely different story. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: The user repeatedly keeps calling me Garnetluvcookie , and I've reported the revisions and no action has beeen taken. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Have you asked the user to stop?
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::::I also don't think reporting the revision for this matter is appropriate. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I have asked the person to stop at least 4 times. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 17:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Ok... but instead of reporting their revision, ask an admin or someone. But please [[Scratch_Wiki:Assume Good Faith|assume good faith]] in the future. It may be an accident. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}} I am assuming good faith. It's most likely an accident, but it's just something I'm sensitive about and annoys me... a lot. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Great! Just a suggestion: maybe include the names you don't want to be called on your userpage.
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:May I ask why the capital 'G' annoys you? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Sure. There are many reasons why, but the important one is that I never put capital letters in my usernames because it messes up literally my whole profile page for some reason and makes me look like someone who Talks Like This. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: i just realized i single-handedly blew up the CP 😲 <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::That's a weird reason in my perspective, but you do you....
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::::Only 4 KB left to go before archiving {{e|;)}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Do I what? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Clarification: You must not use Report extension unless you need to contact admins urgently and privately, like sharing email or vandalism. If you "abused" Report extension, you may be blocked. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 19:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}} I don't want to start a flame, but I believe that was a fair report because it may seem small to you, but it affects me mentally and emotionally. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Maybe make a less strict report extension? In this case, the 'new' report button could've been used to report a user that hasn't stopped calling garnetluvcookie with a 'G'...
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:I'm not sure, it's just a thought.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::So there's been a lot of discussion on both sides of this matter - I thought it would be appropriate to share my two cents on the matter. To be clear, I do not wish for my reply to be hostile, demeaning, or rude, simply a summary on my thoughts.
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::I do not believe that it is a "weird perspective" to have a [https://regex101.com/r/QSyeGl/3 preferred way of being referred to as]. Sometimes the little things can really tick people off, and I understand that. I also understand that MediaWiki autocapitalizes names, such as jvvg/Jvvg, however we should all take note of people's preferred names and call them by that rather than their MediaWiki name.
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::In instances where a user has been referred to incorrectly, whether intentionally or inadvertently (as has been stated before, [[S:GF|Assume Good Faith]] {{E|:)}}), the proper course of action should be to ask the user nicely not to refer to you as that and give a correct preferred name, which I can see has been done here multiple times. I understand it may upset/annoy the user who has been incorrectly referred to, however editing a message should not happen, which I can also see has not taken place. Good job!
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::Reporting should also not usually be used in these circumstances - instead, CC an admin or EW into the conversation and they will (hopefully) ask the user nicely to use the correct name.
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::@garnetluvcookie I understand that how you are referred to affects you deeply. Please don't think you are being told off here. In fact, by asking the user nicely to not call you by a certain name, you've done the right thng. Well done. {{E|:)}}
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::I think we all need to calm down and hold off sarcastic, snidy, or mean comments. We're a community built on being welcoming and enjoyable, let's keep it that way. :){{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 20:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Small question: what do you mean by CC? <s>Isn't that a copyright</s><br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::@12944qwerty CC, as in, carbon copy, I assume.
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::::If you didn't know, CC is for sending a copy to another user for their information. Primary recipients are addressed as "TO" and others as "CC". (there's also BCC, but I don't want to go into more detail) {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 20:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Oh, that makes sense lol. thanks <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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== archive the CP ==
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I'm amazed that i basically made it blow up :P (i need to reset my sig so unsigned) {{unsigned|garnetluvcookie}}
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:{{doing|Archiving...}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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::{{done|[[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 108|Archived]]}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it) ==
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{{not done}}<br />
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<small>i can't explain anything so here goes...</small>
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I've seen many people getting the "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB" message. Why? These users uploaded files that are like 6 KB. 6 KB!!! That's incredibly small, at least for file sizes. I believe that the minimum file size for compression should be raised to 20 KB because that's a size that's small, but large enough that it's too big. Thoughts? <br /><span style="color:red"><span style="background:#2f3136;height:22px;display:inline-block;padding:0px">[[File:Glc.jpg|18px|link=users:garnetluvcookie]] [[User:garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">''♥ garnetluvcookie ♥''</span></b>]] [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style=color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">| ''♥ talk ♥''</span></b>]] <span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">'''|'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">''♥ contribs ♥''</span></b>]]''</span></span> 00:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I think the title of this topic should actually be "'''Increase''' the file size thingy (read this to get it)" (or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?) {{e|:)}}
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:Also, could you please clarify which message you're talking about?
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:* [[Special:Upload]] states "Is the image's filesize over '''300KB'''? If it is, please compress it. [https://tinypng.com TinyPNG] is recommended for PNGs and JPEGs (contrary to the name, it does support JPEG)."
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:* The [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-huge-file|abuse filter warning]] that appears when you upload a file that's too large also uses the 300KB number, stating "If your file is over 300KB, please compress it. [https://tinypng.com/ TinyPNG] is recommended for PNGs and JPGs."
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:* The [[User:TemplatesFTW/Config/CompressMsg|message]] that {{user|TemplatesFTW|name}} posts on users' talk pages after it compresses their files does not state any number, but rather states that "... the image size was kinda big ...".
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:None of the above messages mention that you should "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB," so could you please clarify which message you are talking about? If I'm missing something obvious, please point it out. Thank you! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Ahh, yes I meant increase, it's just pretty late where I am and I'm a bit sleepy. Also, the compress if it's over 2 KB thing was a joke to show how low the compressing thing is :P.  I'll fix the post <s>before I fall asleep in my chair</s>. <br /><span style="color:red"><span style="background:#2f3136;height:22px;display:inline-block;padding:0px">[[File:Glc.jpg|18px|link=users:garnetluvcookie]] [[User:garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">''♥ garnetluvcookie ♥''</span></b>]] [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style=color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">| ''♥ talk ♥''</span></b>]] <span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">'''|'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">''♥ contribs ♥''</span></b>]]''</span></span> 02:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Yeah people take compression way too seriously. ''Maybe'' at 30mb losslessly you should ''consider'' compressing, but there's no reason to compress something already only 20 kb (which is incredibly small in 2020, a lot of JavaScript files are bigger). Some images have been compressed so aggressively that the text becomes difficult to read and have needed to be reverted. The file dimensions were recently increased to 1080p a couple weeks ago, but there hasn't been much comment on file size. I personally think that an increase on file size limit would be very helpful as compression has been taken way too seriously (in most cases it has almost no benefit, although there are always exceptions). In addition, admins for some reason can upload files up to 218 times larger than non-admins, which again I think is another unnecessary line. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 02:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: Exactly. All it does is decreases file size by like 4 KB. Personally I think that compression is taken wayy too seriously here. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 02:31, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Tone down the rejected messages on [[S:BR]] archives ==
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{{Note|None of this was made to offend the people who reject bot requests. Please take no offense.}}
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Some of the rejected summaries at [[S:BR]] rejected requests are very unwelcoming. For example, my rejected message had "User has no programming experience" which comes off extremely rude, and when I do have programming experience (if you count Scratch as a programming language... *awkward smile*). The only reason that I don't is because I'm incredibly young, not even in middle school. If I was 5 years older, I would've created a bot already. (Please don't argue this point against me, I don't want the summary bored into my head)<br />
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Also, a user may not have much experience in the language, but that doesn't mean that they are incapable of creating a bot. I know many people online (haha don't ask about IRL) that are new to the language that they chose, but they've created amazing stuff. It's enforcing the stereotype of "young children are dumb and can't do complex stuff". No matter how minor, it's still showing bad behavior as a role-model.<br />
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This doesn't mean that the admins need to rewrite every single rejected summary, they just need to be more considerate about how others will feel. <small>extreme nostalgia and/or cringe side affects may occur in 3... 2... 1...</small> It's like that concept that everyone was taught in early grade school, fill others buckets, don't dump them. <br />
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<small>now my fingers hurt :P</small> <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:<small>As mysteriously as he arrived, NYCDOT was gone again.</small> Hi. I checked out your BR, and it appears that Ken wrote "Proposer has no programming experience and VoxBot is the only approved typography bot." He said it like it is, you have no experience. What is he supposed to say? We aren't going to give out gold stars to people who propose that they create their own bots without any idea how to do so. Try out a some programming languages ''before'' proposing a a new Wiki Bot, and I'm sure the next time you have a BR the admins will be more than happy to review your request. As for the bot idea itself, VoxBot is an approved bot that we know works well and does its job. If you have problems with it, I'm sure KrIsMa will listen to your suggestions. {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 18:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: I do have programming experience, I just only knew Scratch at the time I suggested it. Also, even though I apparently am dumb, I do know a good bit of Python. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Two things. One, no one ever said you were dumb. Not knowing how to do a certain thing doesn't make you dumb. Two, at the time of the bot request, you pretty much had no experience. While you may have some now, that doesn't change the past. If you think of a new, useful bot, you can propose one again. {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 18:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::<small>Welcome back NYCDOT, I came back recently too {{e|:P}}, also, remember about your indents :P</small>
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::::Scratch is not counted as programming knowledge. Although you could use scratch knowledge to code with other languages, knowing scratch only isn't enough. Can you make a bot with scratch coding? No, you cannot. Ken writing that you have no programming experience is completely fine. You agreed you have no programming experience outside of Scratch.
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::::Although it may be rude for you, it is in no way meant to be rude. Ken wrote all details in his rejected message so that everyone understands why this bot got rejected and so that users don't make a bot for the same reason. There's always a reason for writing things the way it's written. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Try it yourself! (button) ==
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My idea is that there will be some visual scratchblocks, and a button next to it. The user can click on the button, and it will bring them to scratch and remix a project with the code in it. They can then mess around with it.
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You could probably use this in
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* [[:Category:Tutorials|Tutorials]]
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* [[:Category:Blocks|Scratch Block pages]]
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* [[Default Value]] (I thought of this idea on this page)
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<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Can anyone help me understand why the category links aren't showing up? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::Actually, we're also working about the embed projects (we have different opinions for make it, so I cannot say a specific info.). You can see everyone in here whose want to help for the Wiki! {{e|:)}}
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::For the second question, I've fixed it. {{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::What? I'm confused. What do you mean by "everyone in here whose are want to help for the Wiki"? There's a lot of English mistakes.... can you please fix it so I can understand? Thanks!
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:::OH YEAH, I forgot about putting those for some links... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I meant "please check public and private changelogs and also look at RC".{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::For embedding a scratch project? Can you direct me to it? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::{{done}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Something's wrong ==
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{{done}}<br/>
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Something’s up, my signature turns timestamps into code boxes, without the actual code tags appearing. Is this an error with my syntax or is it an actual bug? I’m not sure, so if someone could help me with this, that would be great. I’ve been trying to get it right for weeks. An example of the issue can be found below, or at [[User:78ch3/Sig|this page]]{{User:78ch3/Sig}} 00:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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: It's because [[User:78ch3/Sig]] has some new lines it should not. There are two line breaks between <nowiki></span></nowiki> and <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki>. Those new lines should simply be removed (so that it is <nowiki></span><noinclude></nowiki> on one line), and then it should be fixed. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 00:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: I got up this morning to fix it, but didn’t read this, so when I came here, it turns out I did exactly what you wanted me to do. {{User:78ch3/Sig}} 21:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: {{done}} {{User:78ch3/Sig}} 21:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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== My Banner ==
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{{done}}
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Why did my banner get removed? I needed it for my forum signature and I can't use assets on my computer because it won't load and now my signature won't work. <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
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:Is this problem related to the forum? If it is, please bring up the topic there and they'll be able to help you more.
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:Also, remember for the future to write your texts before your signature. This means that you do <code><nowiki>REPLY/TEXT ~~~~</nowiki></code>. The four tildes are your signature. Thank you! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:21, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::It was not deleted, it was moved to a different title that was less generic.
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::Also, the Scratch Wiki should not be used as an image host for Scratch or anywhere else outside the wiki. I recommend you use another hosting site such as CubeUpload to upload your banner.
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:: <small>and i was caught in an edit conflict</small> {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::We're not an [[Image Host|image host]]. Use extensions that upload images to Scratch assets, or look to index.php for deleted images, or host in another website that Scratch allows. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Ah, I just looked at Recent Changes. Your banner didn't get removed. It just got moved so that it had a more specific name.  Banner.png could mean that it's a banner for the Mainspace Scratch wiki pages instead.
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::::Your banner is now located here: [[:File:Banner FollowCherryBlossom.png]]
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::::<small>I had edit conflict too lol, with both jammum and ahmetlii at the same time AND MYSELF oh gods</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I've editted like three times and the same has happened and okay <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
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:::::The reason for doing so is because I don't use cubeupload or photobucket, I thought it had been deleted <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
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::::::You should though. This wiki isn't meant to host images, you should use an actual hosting server. Those are some of the best hosting servers. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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"Those are some of the best hosting servers" no, those are just the ones allowed by Scratch. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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== out of curiosity... ==
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What's the 3 Revert Rule? I know we use BRD but it's referenced in many places, most notably [[Template:Nutshell|nutshell]].  
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also, whatup with my message it's being weird or *looks above* close your tags!!! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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:The 3 revert rule is when you stop to discuss the revert if it has been reverted three times. At least that's what I remember. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I don't think we have 3RR(Three Revert Rule) here. We instead have BRD - Bold, Revert and Discuss.
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::Also, indenting your post with a space makes that box thing. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 13:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Another user’s talk page organization ==
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Another user (not mentioning who) on this wiki requires users who post on their talk page that they use level three headings for discussion headings and put their messages in a section (some of which are not at the bottom of the page) on that page, whilst all other talk pages (including user ones) are supposed to use level two headings and require all messages (including bot ones) to go at the bottom of the page. Is the user's way of organising their talk page allowed? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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: I know this user and I don't believe so. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I don't think it's allowed, but if it is right now then I think it shouldn't be. It's confusing.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 12:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Suggestion: [[Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]] ==
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== How to curate a project? ==
  
It's as it says on the tin.
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I want to know how to curate a project as I am interested to learn how to. I want to encourage my friend so thats one reason. If you got an idea how, please leave a reply so I can see. Thank you so much for everything and may god bless you abundantly! :) <scratchsig>Ani_coding_PRO</scratchsig> 11:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Here ya go: [[Curator (front_page)#Application_and_Selection]] <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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::@Ani_coding_PRO: Please ask in the [[Questions about Scratch]] forum (link to the forum is on the page) for Scratch-related questions that do not involve this wiki. The wiki is not a replacement for the Scratch Forums. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  
As part of this new revival of featured images (and leading on from [[#An Interval for Featured Images]], I propose that we create a page similar in concept to [[S:WWS]], where users leave new section saying which image they think deserve to be featured. This will clean up the CP (just slightly). At around the same time as Wiki Wednesday, the EWs/Bureaucrats review the suggestions and pick three images which will then to onto [[S:FI]]. If necessary, we could also edit the current Wiki Wednesday suggestion forum post to incorporate Featured Images too.
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== Wiki down? ==
  
What do you think?{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:24, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
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I got an HTTP 500 error for about 30 seconds a minute ago. Other wikis (I checked de, test, and fr) were up. Was this a server problem? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:This is a great idea! '''+1!''' {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:23, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
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: And again... <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::Yes!{{User:Millie S/signature}} 18:12, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
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::This was a result of some preparatory work we're doing for the upgrade. Unfortunately there wasn't any way to do it without any disruption. However, it should be done now. You may experience some slowdown for a while, but not any more downtime.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 17:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Thank you! Any bits that need improving?{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 18:26, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
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::: Thanks. I am experiencing some slowness (a page takes around 1 minute to load) so that explains that. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I think the featured images are too minor to have a dedicated projectspace page. I propose instead to have a miscellaneous "homepage tasks" page (or something like that) where you can suggest news items, featured images, and edits to other things that appear on the homepage. Does that sound better?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 19:51, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
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::::I think the slowness has finally been resolved, so we should be good to go going forwards. I do not anticipate any remaining disruption to the Wiki until we actually perform the upgrade (we do not have a specific day planned yet, but hopefully soon).<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 20:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::good idea{{User:Millie S/signature}} 19:53, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
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::::: Yay! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 20:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Nice idea, {{done|support}}{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 21:46, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
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::::::Also running great for me! Did you figure out what was causing it or did it just go away by itself?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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@Ken won't a homepage tasks page just get cluttered up? If they had to filter through edits and news items to find featured images, wouldn't it be harder for the admins? Also, having a dedicated project space is better because it's a) more obvious to Wiki Editors what the page is for, and seems less boring and gruelling than "homepage tasks", which sounds like just a big long list of stuff to do. And b) it would be easier for editors to suggest, because having a clearer Featured Image Suggestions would be more obvious to others what has already been suggested and what hasn't, et cetera. And c) having a dedicated page would make it so much easier to implement into the current WW forum post.{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 08:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
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With some help from apple502j and banana439monkey I was able to fix it. The issue was that 1. apcu (a PHP extension that greatly improves performance) wasn't enabled and 2. there was a setting keeping it from actually running even after I enabled it.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 20:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
:We could have [[Scratch Wiki:Homepage Tasks]] and have there be a section for featured images, news things, and any other sections that may be needed. Then it wouldn't be as messy (if there were sections). Then we could make a shortcut called [[S:FEATUREDIMAGESUGGESTIONS]] (although that's a pretty long "shortcut") and have it redirect to [[Scratch Wiki:Homepage Tasks#Featured Image Suggestions]]. Or we could have [[Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]] redirect to [[Scratch Wiki:Homepage Tasks#Featured Image Suggestions]]. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:32, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
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:Don't understand how, but I'm still receiving a HTTP 500 error whenever I try to go to Recent Changes {{-}} It's always slow with loading, but it's never completely been broken. Is it because I have some laggy softwares on on my computer at the moment?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 07:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
::If we're talking about shortcuts, how about [[S:FIS]], since [[S:FI]] redirects to the featured images?{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 08:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
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:: Do you use a browser other than Chrome or Safari? I've tested on my Mac on both Safari and Chrome and it works fine. It also may be your internet connection spitting false errors, but I can't confirm that because I have full bars and I'm literally 10 feet away from the router thing. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Yeah, that'd probably be good. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
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:::I use Google Chrome or Safari most of the times, coincidentally. I've tested on Lenovo (Windows 10) and now I'm on my father's Mac, but Recent Changes still gives a 500 error, and I don't have those laggy softwares on here.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 13:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: Odd. I've tried on Chrome and Safari on my Mac and my iPad, and i get no error. Try rebooting your WiFi? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Not at the moment, since my router is in the basement and I don't really wanna go there at the moment. However, quick status update: it's still happening.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::: Ok. I'll try to replicate it and find a fix. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 17:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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I am not receiving any HTTP errors but [[Special:ScratchLogin|ScratchLogin]] is broken for me. It keeps telling me I have not commented the code even after commenting. <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:<small>please outdent correctly!</small><br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 22:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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::It's been more than a day since this has happened and it's still occurring. Could somebody please help? My dad went down and restarted the router today too.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Try going to Private Browsing and opening it without logging in? Maybe your entries per page is too high. Mine is set to 300 from the last 30 days.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I'll try that; I think I set my entries per page to the highest possible amount, so that could be the issue. Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I didn't do it exactly the way you said, but I tried logging out and now I have the link for 50 entries, so I can use it for going to Recent Changes. This is definitely not a very efficient method, but because I'm an idiot I think this will work find for now. Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Awesome, glad I could help you fix it!{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}
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Even better, I found a way to let it do it automatically! Thank you so much for the help!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Server Capacity ==
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== make templates like [[wikipedia:Template:Trout|trout]] ==
  
About two weeks ago, I could not access <code>scratch-wiki.info</code> for 24 hours. My internet connection was fine; the website just took too long to respond.  
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(yes, i am aware of [[S:NOTWP]]. i am suggesting because it's funny.)
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Self-explanatory. There would also be self-trout, minnow, and whale.<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:<nowiki>{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Trout notification}}</nowiki> exists, if it is something multiple people want it could be moved out of my userspace. Until then you can use it with that link. I have not heard of whale or minnow but I'm sure those could also be made if everyone wants them.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::<s>shameless plug</s> but not many people know about it unless you plug it everywhere :/ <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::We do not allow mainspace templates that aren't intended for use in articles or on talk pages. You may make a template like that in your userspace if you want.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Today, when trying to view [[/Archive 66]], I got a 503 Service Unavailable error. I reloaded the page and it worked. However, page load times are still a bit long. Occasionally, after about 50 page loads, the page load times start to get really long, up to ten seconds.
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== is this normal? ==
  
Does MartinWollenweber's server have enough capacity? {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 16:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
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[[File:WHAT HAPPENED.png|1000px]]<br />
: I think yes :-), but keep watching, if there are such kind of problems more often, I have to talk to our provider. It could help to create a list of such ocurannces to analyse it better. {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 22:02, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 
=== Logging server faults ===
 
Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 
{| class="wikitable" width="100%"
 
! Time
 
! Errors
 
! Details/Comments
 
<!-- Add new items below this comment, following this format:
 
|-
 
| time of incident (make it as accurate as you can)
 
| HTTP error code if it connected, browser error code if it failed. For example, "503 Service Unavailable" or "ERR_TIMED_OUT"
 
| Details of incident, like what page you were on, what you were trying to do, etc~~~~
 
(the ~~~~ is necessary, that's your signature lol)
 
-->
 
|-
 
| 8 August 2018
 
| 400 Bad Request<br/>503 Service Unavailable
 
| I was editing [[User:Kenny2scratch/common.js]], and when I clicked "save page" I hit a "400 Bad Request" error. I pressed the browser "back" button (thanks Chrome for caching form data), and clicked "save page" again, and I encountered "503 Service Unavailable". I went back again, resubmitted, and the edit went through.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 
|-
 
| 10:26 AM, 3 September 2018 (GMT)
 
| Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties
 
| I clicked on random page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 
|-
 
| 5:27 PM, 3 September 2018 (HKT)
 
| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties"
 
| I was literally attempting to edit this section. When I clicked the "edit" link, it brought me to a page that said:
 
<big>'''Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.'''</big><br/>
 
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.<br/>
 
<small>(Cannot access the database)</small>
 
----
 
:You can try searching Google in the meantime.<br/><small>Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.</small>
 
{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 
|-
 
| 10:07-11:20 PM, 8 September 2018 (HKT)
 
| Major outage across all wikis
 
| Multiple screenshots:
 
* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987719411204102/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.08.33_AM.png
 
* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487988142184595478/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.10.22_AM.png
 
* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987682132230148/unknown.png
 
* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987425193492492/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.07.28_AM.png
 
* https://pastebin.com/jkxGm6P4 <- this is the most useful error
 
* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487988331226071060/unknown.png
 
* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487989244506144775/unknown.png
 
* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487990014861377536/unknown.png
 
* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487990367946407958/unknown.png
 
* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/488005118428577792/unknown.png
 
* https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/488005028028874754/unknown.png
 
Basically the database failed to connect for a while, causing all sorts of obscure errors. Specifically, at times the required "mysql.sock" file was missing. Looking at server configuration, the MySQL server had to restart itself 11 times during this time period.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 
|-
 
| 10:44 AM, 2 October 2018 (GMT)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
| Edit a user's talk page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:46, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 
<!-- add new items above here -->
 
|}
 
:Could we have a dedicated page to that?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 
::Nah, just here is fine.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:::{{not done}} <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 20:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 
  
== Community Blocks Page in my Userspace ==
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i think i successfully broke the wiki <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
{{not done}}
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:It's because you're on vector skin and zoomed in all the way.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: but i wasn't <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::We do not officially support the Vector skin (or any other non-ScratchWikiSkin skin) and cannot make any guarantees everything will work with it. Also it looks like you are either zoomed in all the way as 12944qwerty said or on a small screen. On my screen, preferences looks fine in vector.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Try disabling Dark Reader (right?) and seeing if it works.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: ahahaha you got me :P <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Proposing changes on the roles ==
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{{done}}
  
Hey everyone! Following the discussion ^^ up there, I need some help on my community blocks page - [[Community Blocks (forum)]]. If anyone could help I'd be really grateful! Thanks! {{User:Redglitter/Signature}}  15:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
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Hi everyone. With the update, MediaWiki will give an extra feature for us: Time-limited roles. With it, we can do time-limited bots for testing, give role for a technical stuff and more. However, as the developers and admins, we will not want to enable it before getting a consensus - because it's about moderation also, undesirable actions may make different things.
:I'd say that although it's small, it's big enough to be moved to the mainspace {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:46, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
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::<small>(edited OP link)</small> I've moved it to mainspace now, so contribute to it there :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:44, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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===Discussion===
:::Added Not Done to topic.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:45, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 
  
== Add Siggy Warner to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] ==
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This will gonna be huge.
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{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:To my opinion, it's a good idea - and I believe that the admins will give it only for necessary actions. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: This is not something that needs discussion or enabling -- it is always on by default. Discussion {{done}} <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 19:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  
So for those who don't know what [[User:Kenny2scratch/Project Guides/Siggy Warner|Siggy Warner]] is, it's basically a JavaScript thing that pops up a confirmation box when you forget to sign, as well as adding a notice to previews when you don't sign. You can still deliberately omit the signature by either checking the "minor edit" box or typing "CONFIRM" when prompted.
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== Downtime coming on Tuesday ==
  
Since forgetting to sign your post is one of the most common mistakes, I propose that instead of people opting into using my siggy warner, we add it to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] as something that is loaded for all users. I think my siggy warner has reached a development status where it's ready to be included for everyone.
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Hi everyone,
  
Potentially there could be a way to opt out of it, too - maybe by loading a user JS file that counteracts the effects of Siggy Warner.
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As detailed [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/4452468/ in a forum post], the Wiki will be down on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=English%2BScratch%2BWiki%2BUpgrade&iso=20200929T21&p1=797&am=30 Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 9pm Scratch Time/1am UTC] for about 30 minutes (click the link to see it in your own timezone). We will be upgrading MediaWiki to 1.35 from the current version of 1.28. See [[#Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump|the upgrade megathread]] for details about the upgrade itself and what it will entail.
  
What do you think about adding Siggy Warner to common.js?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:42, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
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During the upgrade, the English Wiki will be down entirely (all pages will be replaced with a message explaining the situation) and not just read-only. Other language Wikis will continue operating as normal, though they may be a bit slower. Any discussion necessary during that time can take place on our forum topic. We have done a dry run of this upgrade and have ironed out the issues that came up, so we do not anticipate running into any problems. Still, something unexpected may always come up, so please be patient and don't panic if it takes longer than 30 minutes.
:Support. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 14:05, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::MAJOR Support Ken! Great idea! <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 15:20, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:::User-generated content should not be included in the wiki's main code.{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:07, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::::@D_S: You are too late to say so - ScratchWikiSkin2 and Report Extension are user-generated. (you called Ken's Siggy Warner "user-generated", so these are also "user-generated".) Do you have any other reason? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 13:45, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::Plenty of things that the Wiki itself relies on started off as user-generated things. This would be no exception. As apple rightfully points out, SWS2 and the Report extension are technically user-generated, as are WikiMonitor, TemplatesFTW, and other major parts. The only difference is that the "major" parts have been approved by the community to be a part of the Wiki itself and no longer counted as user-generated. By posting this, I am requesting that the community decide whether this should be moved into the main codebase and no longer simply a user-created script.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:50, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 
::::::CA is also user generated. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 20:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::::CA is user-modified. <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 07:31, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:::::::}}
 
<s>Everybody, repeat after me: Stay on topic, stay on topic, stay on topic!</s>
 
  
Let's not get off track about what is or isn't user-created or modified. So far we have 2 supports and one disputed no support. Any other opinions?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:58, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
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TL;DR: The Wiki will be down Tuesday at 9pm Scratch Time for about 30 minutes so we can perform software updates.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:Wouldn't this basically put WM out of a job? Except for categories.{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:18, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
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:Thank you jvvg and everyone else who has had a part in making this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::@D_S Wm also updates the FPC, the too many edits warning and a bunch of other stuff as well. {{not done|No support!}}{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 15:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
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:: Great! <small>now i like that i'm in the same time zone as Scratch</small> <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::@Drunken jvvg has said he is fine with it, becasue it is less for him to maintain as he is really busy. @Asqwde Why no support? (Just wondering) <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
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::: Same here. Looking forward to the updates! {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 19:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::(this indentation indicates a reply to @D_S) jvvg also noticed that I'm slowly integrating more WM functions into the core. He's fine with it, though, since it would be less for him to maintain. Actually, WM doesn't need to check file categories anymore, either - an abuse filter prevents file uploads without categories. But WM isn't anywhere near out of a job yet - it has curator updating and rapid edit detection, neither of which we can do regularly.
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:::: Note: You can check update time from [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=English+Scratch+Wiki+Upgrade&iso=20200929T21&p1=797&am=30 here] to convert update time to your timezone. <small>However, I may not be able to see it; it will be at 4 am bruh</small>
:::(this indentation indicates a reply to @asqwde) Why do you not support this, though?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
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:::: Anyway, I just wanted to thanks all users in the Wiki who made constructive edits and @Naleksuh, @Mini_Kostik, @apple502j, @Kenny2scratch, @jvvg, and other people who worked on development phase.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Hey, asqwde, if ya remain silent I won't know what the problem is, and I'll just put it in without a second thought - what's the reason you don't support?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:17, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
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::::: @jvvg said the link before, sorry. :) {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Since we don't have any valid rejects (yet) when is this planning to implemented? <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:05, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
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::::::Awesome (woo upgrade!), but also not awesome (boo downtime!)! I hope all goes well. {{e|10mil}}{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
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I support '''+1''' <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
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I hope the upgrade brings exciting new features! (and the downtime will happen when I will be asleep) {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I really hope everything will go well during the upgrade :) <scratchsig>LankyBox01</scratchsig> 18:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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::aaa 2 hours left! Hopefully the updates are successful again {{E|:D}} {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 22:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::1 hour!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for VisualEditor! <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 23:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Actually not 1 hour, because the update ''will '' start in a hour.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 00:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::45 minutes left of 1.28.3. Let's all say bye to the glorious... uh... ok I don't know. There's really not too much important to me in the upgrade (visual editor is overrated){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}} 10 minutes left until the update starts! I'm excited! {{E|:D}}{{User:4096bits/Signature}} 00:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Three more minutes! Thank you to everyone who has worked hard to make this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::The final minute for MW 1.28! {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 00:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::...and, we're back! Thank you to everyone who helped make this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Awesome! Being honest though I kinda like the old MW version more. Not sure why. Also visual editor doesn't work on Scratch Wiki: namespaces?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Also canned edit summaries seem to be broken (clicking on the summary box opens the canned  edit menu){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Dominic305, I don't think visual editor is available for any talk pages. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}
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Oh, I suppose you are right that it isn't available in project space, either. Huh. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Huh? ==
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My browser (this page) just went pitch black for a split second. Did anyone else experience this?<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:No; but for that situation, also you can hard refresh or clean your cache directly.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::As in a simple black flash, that's normally when your browsers just rendered the page again. I wouldn't worry about it.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Loss of session data ==
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[https://ibb.co/J3FNV9Q]<br>Not exactly sure why, but when attempting to save an edit, I got a session error, but doing the edit again was fine. Has anyone else ever experienced this?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)<br/>
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:No. It may be a problem with your iPad or Safari. I haven't used either for editing for at least 4 months, so I cannot confirm. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 20:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::This sometimes happens when your session has conflicting data. Try doing that in an incognito (Chrome) or private (Firefox) window and see what happens, since that guarantees you have a fresh session.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 21:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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== How do I make a fill width CSS for SWS2 ==
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As per title. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Thankful Thursday! September 24{{th}}, 2020 ==
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 032}}
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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The next TT is, October 29{{th}}, see you then!
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{{not done}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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: wow big thanks <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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::Whoa! Thanks! {{E|:)}}{{User:4096bits/Signature}} 13:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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== userpage not showing /error ==
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{{done}}
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::: my user page [[https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788]] is showed as :::external link pls help me i need it to make my siggy how its done is it an error?
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<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 05:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: It is because of how you are trying to link to your userpage. To have an internal link, you only need the page name, not the full URL of the page. So for your userpage this would be: <code><nowiki>[[User:Arjunking788]]</nowiki></code>. This will create a link like this: [[User:Arjunking788]]. If you want to make the link say something other than the exact page title, like this: [[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]] (without the "User:"), then you can do this: <code><nowiki>[[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]]</nowiki></code>. The reason it displays a "Bad title" error is because you were mixing the external and internal link formats. An external link with custom text is done like this: <code><nowiki>[https://example.com Example Link]</nowiki></code> (notice how it uses a " " (space) instead of a "|"), so you were actually linking to a page called <code>User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788</code>, which isn't a valid page name, instead of <code>User:Arjunking788</code>, which is a valid page name.<scratchsig>Mrcomputer1</scratchsig> 06:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::thank you now i could work on my siggy and i learnt to format css and html to make borders and
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:::::rounded ones
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<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 11:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Good news, possibly ==
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Sorry if this is kind of irrelevant on the CP, but I thought putting it here would be a good idea to stop my excitement-- I have a new computer now for my birthday, which probably means more quality edits around here! You can expect to see me around a lot more often than before, at least for a few days.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Awesome! Can you tell me what hardware it has?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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::It's a HP Pavilion gaming computer :D I'm mainly targetting to start working on a gaming channel, and this computer also has good visual effects which I need since I use programs like Scratch or the wiki a lot.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Ooh, how many cores does it have? Mine has 6 <s>abs</s> cores.<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 22:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: <small>yeah that's really relevant on the cp</small> anyway, congratulations then.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 22:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Epic, personally I'm going to [https://pcpartpicker.com/user/dominic03/saved/KtzFgs build my own] in a few months for $600.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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== 2 problems ==
  
== New page for mall simulators ==
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*1: Ken's canned edit script is broken (triggers when it shouldn't)
{{not done}}
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*2: [https://ibb.co/x1JXg14 Visual editor problems]{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Number two also [http://u.cubeupload.com/bigpuppy/VisualEditorError.png happens for me] when I try to edit [[User:Bigpuppy/Status]] or [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox]] using the visual editor. Editing my userpage using the visual editor does not display the error. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I also get it on those pages, so the problem is by page. However, it also has worked for me on a number of pages without issue. I will look into this.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 03:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I was editing the Featured Studios with Visual Editor to test and got [https://i.ibb.co/C2RxHxg/image.png the error too]... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::The problem is that VisualEditor does not work on subpages. Unfortunately this is a limitation with Apache and the design of the extension. Unfortunately there isn't really much we can do about this for now other than wait for the developers of the extension to release a patch. As for Ken's canned edit script, please contact Ken directly about that, as that is supported by him and not the Wiki as a whole.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
Should we make a new page for mall simulators? Mall simulators are sort of big with the biggest mall simulator (Palace of Points) having more than 1400 members. Should we create a page for it? <scratchsig>Sti_scratch</scratchsig> 04:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
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== Upgrade complete! ==
:Maybe not as a whole page, but as a section in [[Simulation Projects]]?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:11, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 
::Mall simulators, let me explain, are studios where people can register and make projects and add them to the studio. These projects are shops, where people (that are registered in a mall simulator the shop is added in) can buy from. Mall simulators invent their own currency, not tradeable for real money, that is used within the mall simulator itself. So, I don't really think it would fit there since it's technically not a project. <scratchsig>Sti_scratch</scratchsig> 08:54, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 
:::That's a new kind of [[shop]]. Actually, there is no article to write about it, I think. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 12:56, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 
::::Yeah, it means that we have to create two pages. for the shops and the sim itself. <scratchsig>Sti_scratch</scratchsig> 03:34, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 
  
== Compliment Tuesday! November 27{{th}}, 2018 ==
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Hi everybody,
  
1:Welcome to the 16{{th}} Compliment Tuesday! November 27{{th}}, 2018.
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I am proud to report that the Wiki upgrade is complete! [[Special:Version|We are now running MediaWiki 1.35]], which should help resolve a lot of the technical issues we've had in the past. My apologies that the upgrade took somewhat longer than planned (a little over an hour instead of the 30 minutes anticipated). The only remaining major issue is that currently foreign file repositories are broken. The reason for this is that the other Wikis are still running MediaWiki 1.28 whose database structure (at least when it comes to files) is incompatible with that of MediaWiki 1.35. The other Wikis will be upgraded at some point in the future, and as each Wiki is upgraded, the file repository will also be linked.
2:WOW! Look at all these compilments. This is truly amazing!
 
  
'''What is Compliment Tuesday?'''
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Also, we now have two big new features:
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*[https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/scratch-confirmaccount-v3 Our new in-house account request system], which replaces the existing system that was only a modification of an existing system. The new system allows for discussion about requests to take place on the Wiki itself rather than in comments, and also generally is more tailored towards being integrated with Scratch. This system was developed by me, apple502j, Naleksuh and kenny2scratch with translations provided by apple502j (Japanese), ahmetlii (Turkish), smrman (French), and Mini_Kostik (Russian)
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*[[mediawikiwiki:Extension:VisualEditor|The VisualEditor extension]], a visual editor. This is still in beta and is currently opt-in (preferences -> editing -> "Enable the visual editor"). We have made preliminary efforts to integrate it with ScratchWikiSkin, but this is still a work-in-progress. Please let us know of any specific issues you encounter.
  
Compliment Tuesday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! {{e|:)}}
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Thank you everybody for your patience, and please let us know of any issues you may encounter!<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 02:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Great! Thank you to jvvg and everyone else who made this happen! The visual editor was enabled for me by default; was that supposed to happen? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::the wiki is now more clean and more better now. I love the new design when editing
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::<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::For some reason, all links are now underlined. This is really annoying, and only came after the update. Could this be fixed?<scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 12:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Yep, that happened to me too. Go to preferences, then appearance, then change the link underlining option. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 13:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Well, the default should be "skin or browser default". <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::It was for me? I didn't have to change my preferences.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Same here; "Skin or browser default" was enabled by default for me. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Well that's weird. Maybe you had already changed your settings in the past? <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 13:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
'''How to Compliment'''
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== RfC for Interface admins group ==
  
We have a whole wiki page on it! {{e|:D}} You can find it here: [[Scratch Wiki:Compliment Tuesday|Compliment Tuesday]]
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With the recent update to MediaWiki 1.35, a new group has been created: [[Special:ListGroupRights#interface-admin]]. Currently, nobody has this group-- however this is the only group that is able to edit pages like [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]. While we have policies for how to request Experienced Wikian (through annual elections) and sysop (through requests on Community portal); there is no policy as to how to request Interface admin as it is a new group to Scratch Wiki. There are several possible ideas for how users might request this group.
  
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Below there are three proposals. Keep in mind that these are not necessarily contradictory, multiple or all of them could coexist. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
'''Compliments'''
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=== Proposal 1: Allow interface admin to be requested permanently through the community portal ===
  
The Compliments are *drum roll please*
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==== Support ====
  
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==== Oppose ====
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: I think the group is too specific for this to be useful-- I also think granting permanent access puts importance and does not allow specific tasks to be vetted as they should be. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
{| class="wikitable" width="100%"
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==== Comments ====
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! User
 
! Compliments
 
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| {{user|Kenny2scratch}}
 
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* Thank you for your help with the Scratch+C64 article, your comments were really helpful to strengthen the relation to Scratch.<scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 16:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 
* Thank you for accepting me to be a Wikian! <scratchsig>12944qwerty</scratchsig> 22:35, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 
* We can never give you enough thanks for everything you do for the wiki! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
|-
 
| {{user|Jakel181}}
 
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* Thank you for helping me out with all the questions I had! <scratchsig>12944qwerty</scratchsig> 22:35, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 
* Thanks for everything you do for us, and doing Compliment Tuesday! {{e|:D}}{{unsigned|Bigpuppy}}
 
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| {{user|Cinnamon bun puff}}
 
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* Thank you for regularly updating the [[Featured Studios#Currently Featured Studios]] list! You're keeping the Wiki up-to-date {{e|:)}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:27, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 
* As per above - making sure things are correct is a very important job! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|Apple502j}}
 
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* Thanks for always seeing when someone does something incorrectly! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|Banana439monkey}}
 
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* Thank you for your brilliant activity on this wiki! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
|-
 
| {{user|Drunken_Sailor}}
 
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* Thanks for being so active and a helpful contributor to discussions! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
|-
 
| {{user|4199531979353717123}}
 
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* You make such helpful edits, and you're very active! Thank you {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
|-
 
| {{user|-ShadowOfTheFuture-}}
 
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* Thank you for your work on [[Going Off the Scratch Screen Edge]], and your activity! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|12944qwerty}}
 
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* Thank you for creating [[Going Off the Scratch Screen Edge]], and for being so active! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|C700}}
 
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* Thanks for being so interested in the wiki right off the bat! We look forward to your future edits! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
|-
 
| {{user|MartinWollenweber}}
 
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* Thank you for your hosting work and everything else you do for us! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
|-
 
| {{user|LiFaytheGoblin}}
 
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* Thank you for being a Scratch Team representative who is active on the wiki, and for posting Wiki Wednesday posts! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|Makethebrainhappy}}
 
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* Thank you for making the Wiki Wednesday posts, and for doing everything else you do! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|Jvvg}}
 
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* Thank you for everything you've done/are doing for us! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|Frodewin}}
 
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* Thanks for being so active here! You're amazing! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|Asqwde}}
 
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* Thanks for all you've done on/for the wiki! You're amazing! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|1a3c5e7g9i}}
 
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* I love your userpage, signature, etc.! You're really cool! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|CrazyBoy826}}
 
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* You've made so many edits! Thank you - you're really helpful! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|NYCDOT}}
 
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* You made so many edits over the summer and were so active! Thank you for everything you've done; we're looking forward to seeing your future edits contributions to the wiki! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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| {{user|Snowy-The-Dog}}
 
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* Lol - I love how you state that you aren't a dog on your userpage! {{e|:P}} We're looking forward to your future edits and contributions to the wiki! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:32, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 
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|{{user|Bigpuppy}}
 
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* You are so kind, with all your compliments! They are very sincere! Thank you for finding the good in all of us.:)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 13:39, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 
* Thank you for helping all around the wiki, participating in discussions and helping maintain the wiki's high standard!{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:58, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 
|}
 
  
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=== Proposal 2: Allow interface admin to be requested temporarily (for a specific purpose) through [[/Admin Requests]] ===
  
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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==== Support ====
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: Allows users to edit the interface as needed. Seems like the best path for requesting and allows specific tasks as well as not granting permanent access as needed. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
The next CT is December 4{{th}}, 2018! See you then!
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==== Oppose ====
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: "Hey can I have permissions to edit common.js? I want to [do something innocent]. - User1" "Sure, I'll grant you perms. - Admin1" "Thanks! - User1" ''User1 then proceeds to add a script that steals passwords. Admin1 quickly undos and bans User1, but the damage has been done. User1 can now login as User2 and User3.'' The exploitation possibility is too large here. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: True, but this could also easily happen through permanent requests on the community portal. I see you chose not to vote on proposal 1 at all, neither support nor oppose. Is that mistake or intentional? <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 21:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Intentional, I would've just been repeating your message. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 02:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
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==== Comments ====
:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:20, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 
::Note: Thank you {{user|12944qwerty|name}} for pointing this out to me: it was not them that created [[Going Off the Scratch Screen Edge]], but {{user|mohie|name}}. I'm sorry, this was my bad. Thank you 12944qwerty for being so active, however; you're awesome! And Mohie, you are too! {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 
  
== Bot Shortcut for GA Stats ==
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=== Proposal 3: Allow interface admin to be non-controversially granted to any user with server access ===
  
GA stats should have a a shortcut. Like [[B:IWB/GA]]? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 02:54, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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==== Support ====
:Actually, I think it should be a main shortcut like [[S:GA]] -> [[User:InterwikiBot/GA_Stats]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:37, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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: This is exactly how it used to be, and anybody with server access is trusted, and they usually won't make changes without the community's approval; they should still ask for feedback, but they should have the right. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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==== Oppose ====
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: This was initially proposed because users with server access have the ability to escalate their own permissions to begin with-- but I would still prefer they request it through the traditional method as the community should still at least be given a chance to weigh in on the attempted edits. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Assets Page ==
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==== Comments ====
  
Hi everyone! On the Community Portal on the forums, there has been a request for a page about assets on the wiki. I just want to get your opinion on whether it'd be worthwhile writing an article on it?
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== link colors ==
{{User:Redglitter/Signature}}  20:39, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:Pretty good idea. :ok_hand:  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 08:20, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::I asked them, on the topic, for more clarification on the idea before we start making it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 
  
== 3.0 Release: 2.0 "Archiving" ==
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::how do i change link colors in html like in siggy
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::<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 04:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Hi there! You can use this:
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:<code><nowiki><span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span></nowiki></code>
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:to make this:
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:<span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span>
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:You can also use hex codes, for example:
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:<code><nowiki><span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span></nowiki></code>
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:makes:
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:<span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span>
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:Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. Also, just so you know (for the future), generally there is no need to indent the first post of a topic. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 04:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::You could also use {{t|Link attributes}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Hi everyone, just wanted to say - Scratch 3 gets released very soon, so that means that we need to make sure everything about 2.0 has been "archived" on the wiki. Are there any pages that need more info to do with 2.0? (e.g images?) Because after about a month, there won't be a chance to screenshot parts of the website etc.
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== Merge Check users and Supressors user groups with bureaucrats or administrators ==
  
EDIT: We'll also need to start a page on the development of Scratch 3.0 before the chance to screenshot parts of the beta is gone.
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Except for the Interface Admin user group, two other user groups were added in the new MediaWiki upgrade. They are mentioned in the title of this topic. I think those groups are unnecessary and could be merged and have their rights moved to other usergroups. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 05:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
{{User:Redglitter/Signature}} 16:08, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
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: These were actually removed already removed in 28, but were inadvertently restored by the upgrade. However, I personally feel like they should not be removed for a number of reasons:
:I agree, we should have a 2.0 archive in some shape or form. Though we can still get most 2.0 editor images relatively easily because the offline editor is still available to be downloaded. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:33, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
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:: 1) CheckUser and Suppressor inherently mean access to confidential information, which is usually specifically mentioned in the privacy policy. Voting in users for bureaucrat should not typically result in access to private information.  
:Well, [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles]] will come into play upon release... I think I'll supervise the transfer of those articles to mainspace while other EWs help out in other areas. (The details will be worked out later.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:24, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
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:: 2) Users who have access to such information generally are scrutinized much more than users who do not. Suppressors need to deal with PII like real names, home addresses, and anything else like that. It is not the role of a bureaucrat to handle stuff like that.
::If possible, please screenshot all the pages with old navbar. (Like project pages) Credits, Educators and Parents page will also need screenshots. Localized versions are also welcomed. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 09:22, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
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:: 3) Scratch Wiki has a tendency to treat user groups like a hierarchy (i.e. Bureaucrat is better than sysop, which is better than Experienced Wikian). I think that these three new user groups help remove this bad aura.
:::I've started [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Development of Scratch 3.0]]. If anyone wants to help, that'd be much appreciated! {{User:Redglitter/Signature}} 16:03, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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:: 4) Bureaucrat does not have an age requirement, but I do not want minors to have access to the information that CheckUsers and Suppressors do.
::::I'm helping! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 14:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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:: There are a number of other reasons as well that they should not be merged, but this is just off the top of my head. Comments about Interface admin can be directed to a couple threads above this, which I assume Jammum has seen. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 05:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: Thank you! {{User:Redglitter/Signature}} 16:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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::: For your last statement, literally 99% of users ''are'' under the age of 18. I'm a minor, and I feel extremely offended by this comment. It just enforces a stereotype that everyone under the age of 13 is dumb. Also, it wouldn't be a fair opportunity for everyone. I know that admins are encouraged to have access to the discord server, but it is not mandatory.
::::::@ken Possibly we (or/and your bot) can move articles to articlename (2.0) and add the previous version template to specified pages?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 19:31, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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::: For your 2nd statement, there isn't much personal info on my (and everyone else's) account. As long as you trust (or the majority trusts) the user, you'll be fine. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I don't see anything about 'all people under 13 are dumb' in the post above yours. Also there is definently personal info in our accounts - I wouldn't really want people to be able to see my email address.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
But some articles shouldn't have (2.0) after them... it'll really have to be decided on a case-by-case basis, so that's why I'll be there.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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:::::Support to @Dominic305. There's also a legal side; we must ensure that someone is not using emails for email hacking or phishing - that's why we must give these roles to people that older 13 (for juridical capacity) and trusted users by the community. This doesn't mean that people under 13 is dumb, but that's risky - give a user that does not have juridical capacity may make unwanted legal consequences.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::: After reading these, I have a proposal. There should be 2 bureaucrat ranks. One for users under the age of 13, and one for users over the age of 13. If a user is elected or appointed bureaucrat, and they happen to be underage, they would get a similar rank to normal bureaucrat but the permissions regarding the viewing and changing of personal information would be removed. This wouldn't be publicised unless the user does it themselves. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Imho nobody needs to have those perms. And just because somebody is over 13, they're automatically not going to do anything malicious with the emails? I signed up with my personal email, and I don't want anybody to know my name (I prefer anonymity). Besides, how would you know they are 13? I can easily say I'm 22, although that's a blatant lie. How would allowing any user group to view emails benefit the wiki? {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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: First of all, the age in question would be 18 and not 13 as 13-year-olds are still minors and are not legally able to sign non-disclosure agreements (although they are able to be bound by privacy policies). Also, I think that simply having two groups based on age only (halfway) solves one of the issues at hand and does not solve any of the others. For example, one could be granted CheckUser/Supressor and not bureaucrat; or bureaucrat and not CheckUser/Suppressor. The two groups should not be merged into bureaucrat, and I think that having seperate groups for users who are over or under 13 is simply problematic, discriminatory, and does not solve the issues at all. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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: To VFDan, while asking for a users' birthday is sufficient for COPPA compliance, for access to confidential information, proof of legal identification is usually required, and lying about the age would immediately be found out. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: If the age would be 18, then let's just get rid of literally every single admin or EW! I have a hunch that almost every EW/Admin is under 18, leaving the very few 18+ admins to do all the work. Many adults have jobs to do, and that explains their activity. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Contributions ==
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== Skin problems ==
  
So, I was looking at my [[Special:Contributions/12944qerty|contributions]] and I found that many of the contribs I did were on pages with the User: namespace or the User talk: namespace. I feel that this wouldn't show our contributions to the Wiki. Is there any ways to change this? Or is it from the mw software? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:08, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
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It seems that the Cologne Blue and Modern skins do not work at all. Once you switch to one of them, every page will look like [https://ibb.co/W0Gk7TQ this (Modern)] or [https://ibb.co/LJB762W this (Cologne Blue)]. If the skin is accidently set you can append <code>?useskin=vector</code> so you can revert your settings, but this should still probably be fixed ASAP so new editors don't have this problem and not know how to fix it. It may also be my iPad acting weird so if anyone wants to test it use the Preview function.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Yes and Yes, :) Select the namespace as "User", then click "Invert selection", and "Associated Namespace" You can view it [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=12944qwerty&namespace=2&nsInvert=1&associated=1&tagfilter=&year=2018&month=-1 here]. :)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 02:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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: Let me test on macOS with Chrome... <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::That wasn't what I was completely looking for. I also want it to remove multiple namespaces than just one. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 03:12, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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:: Can reproduce on Chromium Microsoft Edge v85.0.564.63 on Windows 10 v1909. Must be something that was broken during the update. {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Not possible on the Special:Contributions page, but the [[mw:API:Usercontribs|<code>usercontribs</code> API module]] allows filtering multiple namespaces. [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&format=json&list=usercontribs&uclimit=500&ucuser=12944qwerty&ucnamespace=0%7C1%7C4%7C5 This]<!-- I have to use an external link because the # part gets corrupted --> will get you your contributions (up to 500 of them, press the "continue" button to get more) in the (main), Talk, Scratch Wiki, and Scratch Wiki talk namespaces.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:38, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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:::Probably needs to be updated itself for compatibility. Looks like whatever function it did no longer exists.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 16:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I did that but it is giving me a request URL??? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:18, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
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::::These were removed from core MW somewhere between 1.28 and 1.35. They have to be manually added or removed. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 17:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I have updated all skins, so you should be good now. Do be aware that we only provide official support for ScratchWikiSkin.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
== Everything you wanted to know about Snap!... ==
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== Minor Grammatical Issue in Footer ==
{{not done}}
 
  
but never dared to ask, now it's your chance to directly talk to Brian Harvey, one of the developers of [[Snap!]], from Uni Berkeley at the next Scratch Club. If you are interested in joining the Scratch Club (via Google hangout, you need to be 18+ or have your parent's consent) please contact us here. The next Scratch Club with Brian Harvey as guest will be on Wednesday, December 19, 2018, at 20:00 CET and will be held in English. If you cannot join, you can also post some questions to discuss here. <scratchsig>Frodewin</scratchsig> 11:42, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
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It says "Privacy policy" instead of Privacy Policy. Should not this be fixed? <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 17:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:8pm CET is 3am HKT... I really want to join, but I'm likely not going to be able to. I'll leave questions here.
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:It's same though and I think that it should not be capitalized because of it's a general title (bundled with MediaWiki).{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}}
:* Snap! is too complicated for the age range of the vast majority of Scratchers, but for older ones like myself and many people here it's just right. Do you forsee Snap! being a teaching tool for teens the same way Scratch is for kids?
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::It's capitalized on Scratch though <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:* Scratch 3.0 is being released soon, and with it a cleaner and improved user interface design. Do you think an update to Snap! to mimic the new 3.0 design would be a good idea? (Minus the annoying parts of the design, such as the thicker blocks, and with modifications as you may see fit.)
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:::Should we copy everything on Scratch's footer to here? There are a lot of links there that aren't here.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:That's all I have for the moment, but I'll definitely post more as I think of them.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:27, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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:::: This is not a "grammatical issue" or something that must be "fixed"-- capitalization like that is common, but Scratch Wiki has the idea of Capitalizing Everything Ever. For example, the default capitalization for [[Special:RecentChanges]] is <code>Recent chamges</code>, but was changed on Scratch Wiki to <code>Recent changes</code>. As for copying over the Scratch footer, a rewrite of ScratchWikiSkin into ScratchWikiSkin3 was proposed on Discord, but I do not know if that is happening. Currently, the skin uses various MediaWiki messages, usually introducing new ones, but sometimes using existing ones, which I would guess Privacy policy is one of those cases. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::QQ: Should I share this opportunity via Twitter?  
 
::Here are my questions about Snap:
 
::*How would you optimize Snap to solve mathematical problems/applications/computer science problems where large data sets are involved?
 
::*Do demonstrations in Snap help Students understand structures in other programming languages? <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 22:25, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
 

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Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Done.
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

No Never Done

See dedicated subpage
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Misdirected Request error

No Moved to Scratch Wiki:Bugs
Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I have this problem too, also on an iPad. I might have gotten it on my computer before, but I don't remember.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
11:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
It happened on my Windows desktop just today. I think the Wifi disconnected when the screen turned off, maybe something similar happened to the iPads?
Jettypumpkin07 (talk | contribs) 11:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically

No Not done
It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

TemplatesFTW already does that; or do you mean a different way of automating it? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
@ContourLines — you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, S:STYLE says not to use the external link markup (see #internal-scratch-links). You can use [[users:USERNAME]] for users, [[studios:ID]] for studios, and [[projects:ID]] for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to S:STYLE (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

How to Connect to the Physical World Is really outdated

How to Connect to the Physical World is really outdated.
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Please use internal links for links to other Scratch Wiki pages. As for this, maybe you could try to update part of it yourself?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
@Jammum Thank you for pointing out the usage of an external link. I've corrected the formatting so that @GrahamSH can see how it is done correctly (@Jammum please wait for an EW/administrator to correct if you see this elseware). @GrahamSH I would ask that you be more specific in the types of changes that we should collaborate in order to accomplish. Thanks
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 17:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Would it possible to prevent users from using external links to wiki pages in the AbuseFilter?

Question is in title. If this were to be implemented (if it even is possible), would it apply to all non-userspace or just mainspace?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 10:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

It's possible but I would never do this because sometimes there's a legitimate use for external links. Possibly an AbuseFilter warning, rather than disallow?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I am asking about disallowing external links to other Scratch Wiki pages, not all external links.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 09:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
There is sometimes a legitimate use for external links to the Scratch Wiki, e.g.: [1]
Unless you're just talking about content pages. Still, though, there are probably some special cases where disallowing it would be inconvenient. A warning might be good, though. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
The fullurl template can be used for some of those links that cannot be linked normally, so does that solve the problem?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 07:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
(Reviving this) I think if a user uses an external link to Scratch Wiki pages, the proper way to do a link to another Wiki page could be shown. The edit could either be warned or prevented.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 13:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Allowing borders in custom sigs

I think we should allow borders in custom signatures. S:CSIG states that there shouldn't be borders in custom sigs, but so many people already have it in their signatures (kenny2scratch, 12944qwerty, EIephant_Lover, Dominic305, ahmetlii, ContourLines, ajsya, etc.) As long as the border isn't needlessly large or flashy, I believe it's fine.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  03:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't recall whether the rule disallows all borders. In either case, though, this is a conflict of interest because I see you have borders in your signature too...
I agree, but then again I have borders already as well. I'd prefer if some people without borders contributed an opinion.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I think it's fine as long as it's not too large or draws any extra attention to the signature. I'm not sure how large "too large" would be though.
Groko13 Logo.png Groko13 / talk / contribs 15:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree too; I think also as long as it doesn't break lines (like text shadows) it should be allowed. But I'm biased too because I use them :P
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
16:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! August 27th, 2020

Welcome to the 31st Thankful Thursday! August 27th, 2020.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

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We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
EXAMPLE (talk | contribs)
Groko13 (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for pointing out the error in my TT post!
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
ContourLines (talk | contribs)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for always being kind when telling someone about a mistake and always using a smiley emoticon at the end of your posts!
    ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 08:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for showing me how to format posts correctly.
    Acebsa (talk | contribs) 20:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs)
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


The next TT is, September 25th, see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 00:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Done
<scratchsig>Jakel181 (talk | contribs)

Time for some more...images that will be featured!

No Not done

I don't know, I had to think of another title idea. :P

If you have any ideas for featured images, feel free to post them below! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I think we should feature an image of the S:CPND discussion that suggests adding a designated page for featured image suggestions. :P
I think that this image is nice, but perhaps we should update it (and the other images on Scratch Statistics).
Groko13 Logo.png Groko13 / talk / contribs 03:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm thinking this image is good enough to be featured.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
07:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
@Groko13 — yes. :P
How about File:Flag as Inappropriate.png? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
+1, but first change the file's name with a consensus.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
(Update: File:Flag as Inappropriate.png is now File:Report Project.png.) :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
File:Flag as Inappropriate.png also needs to be updated, the report button was moved.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
01:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────+1 for the report project image!
@Dominic305 Added the template to File:Report Project.png. Someone can update it if they wish.
TenType (talk | contribs) 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Updated
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  18:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

RfC about the usage of fixed with in ScratchWikiSkin2

Hello all. As you may have noticed, ScratchWikiSkin2 seems to used a fixed width (similar to Fandom's Oasis skin), as a holdover from previous skins designed to look similar to scratch.mit.edu -- however, I and several other users have noticed an increasing number of problems using fixed width. Fixed widths generally leave a large amount of the screen entirely unused, and show a small amount of the page content. It also introduces design problems that rely on fixed width and break for some users. The current, fixed width style, looks a bit like this. I am proposing to use free-styled width based on the screen resolution (a mockup something like [ https://i.imgur.com/UEd14yX.png this], ignore the blue line, that is accidental and will not be shown in the final version). This allows for a larger content space, as well as making the view more consistent across skins. Please let me know if you support or oppose this proposal.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: I would also appreciate if all could specify what skin they use when commenting? (The information is helpful, most are likely either using ScratchWikiSkin2 or Vector, but others like me primarily use Monobook).
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 01:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
I support. Fixed width looks terrible. (Reply to the addendum: I use SWS2)
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  01:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
(SWS2 user) Consistency across skins is completely irrelevant - consistency with the Scratch website is more important. We use fixed width to emulate the mainsite, which does the same. If you want free width, you can make a user CSS file for it.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
I personally am of the belief that consistency with the Scratch website is "completely irrelevant" -- this is a third party site with different needs and goals. This is where a lot of the design has been poured into as well, such as by changing the header to a different color. There does indeed appear to be support for increasing the width apart from Kenny2scratch's comment. However, custom CSS files are not relevant here as what is being discussed is not personal views (I use Monobook) but what would actually improve the skin, primarily to those logged out and browsing the wiki.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 17:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree with the above statement. I have an ebic gamer HD monitor, and SWS2 is tiny on my monitor. There are at least 500 pixels of free space. It almost looks like it was designed for a tablet (it fits perfectly on iPadOS). This is the reason why I use Vector because it takes up almost all of my monitor space. You technically could make a CSS script for it, but the majority of users here (not everyone) don't know any other programming languages and/or markup languages than Scratch.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
If you like Vector, use Vector. If you like SWS2 enough to keep using it but also want non-fixed width, then use user CSS. For those not logged in, fixed width is what they get, because that's what they'll be used to from the Scratch website. I don't consider fill width an improvement, only a matter of preference. Find me examples of people (who have no relation to you) actually asking for fill width SWS on, say, the forums, and then it'll be more worth considering.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
I support. While garnetluvcookie said it looks like it's designed for a tablet, personally I prefer setting zoom to 75% or 85% on most pages. However setting the zoom on the Wiki causes content to get squished and lots of tables (including on File: pages) to overflow into the empty space. And on my 1080p display, it looks like a site designed for computers from 2009.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Centralized Cross-Wiki Discussion

Hi everyone,

Since all of the various Scratch Wikis are hosted on the same server and part of a common community, they have a number of things in common, including outreach efforts (such as Wiki Wednesday) and technical aspects. This means that some changes (especially technical ones) will affect all wikis, not just the Wiki for one language. We usually like to seek community feedback before implementing major changes, but currently there is no centralized place to do that between all languages. As a result, changes either do not get community input at all or just get input from the community for one language (usually English, i.e. this one). We do have the Test Wiki for both new language-specific Wikis off the ground and coordinating cross-wiki stuff.

Therefore, I propose making it so anyone who has an account on any language-specific Wiki may have an account on the Test Wiki (you would still need to request it, but you can just say "I have an account on [language] Wiki") and that we host all cross-Wiki discussions there. Announcements for any major discussions would still be posted on the English Community Portal so everybody remains aware of any active discussions without having to check the Test Wiki Recent Changes.

Thoughts, everyone?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea. Probably because I helped with writing the proposal, but good!
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 01:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I also think this is a great idea! It's important that we have a place for conveniently discussing matters that involve all the wikis, and this would provide that place. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree with this as well!
Groko13 Logo.png Groko13 / talk / contribs 01:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Handy links to the discussions on the other wikis about this:
The discussions on the other wikis link back here (since jvvg used Google Translate to translate this version into each language). I wanted to post these here so that the users reading this topic can see what the users on other wikis think about this idea. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
This idea would benefit a lot. Also, I have a question about this: would the cross-wiki discussion be separate from the Test Wiki community portal, or would they be on the same page.
I also wrote earlier in a probably now archived topic that I was not planning to join the test wiki, but if this gets implemented, I might join to take part in those discussions.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
The French Scratch Wiki now has a discussion about this here: fr:Discussion Scratch Wiki en Français:Accueil de la Communauté#Centralized Scratch Wiki Discussions :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, the discussion on the Japanese Scratch Wiki was moved to this page: ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場/一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I have another question about this idea: if this were to happen, would any language be used (I myself do not speak any language other than English fluently) or will only English be used in cross-wiki discussions?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 17:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I support, even though I already have a test wiki account :P. Also, we should consider modifying common.js so it shows "Test" rather than "Twi" in the left sidebar, but I'll add that as a proposal to the new Test Wiki CP when it's set up.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  19:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── (Level of indentation is to reply to OP) Question about the Request on Test Wiki thing; I have moved since I requested, do I have to request an account for this account, or can I use my new account?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I support, maybe we should make a single sign on so when you have a wiki account you automatically get a test wiki account.
Acebsa (talk | contribs) 20:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

An idea

Hi everyone, I had an idea recently to make a way for non-wiki editors to suggest changes if they don't want to go through the hassle of making a wiki account. Maybe a google form or something that editors can look at and, if needed, make the change.
Acebsa (talk | contribs) 04:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Scratchers are allowed to suggest changes through the Scratch Wiki's forum topic.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 04:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
For reference, the Scratch Wiki forum topic is located here. It is also used to ask questions about the wiki as well.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
The issue with that, I found, is that few actually know about it and the non-wikian posts are just random questions about scratch in general.
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 16:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 107#Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies continuation

I am just reviving the discussion mentioned in the title above because it was archived and it did not seem to be completed. Also, on the latest Wiki Wednesday topic, no notice in the first post telling Scratchers not to spam in the topic was put in.

In the discussion linked above, I mentioned some examples of what the notice would mention as being spam. I also think posts only saying 'Hi', 'Hello' or something similar could also be mentioned as being spam.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 15:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Isn't it just common sense not to spam? It's already against the CGs, so I don't see a use for it or it's because I stalk the Announcements forum, get a first-page post, and move on. It could be useful to the 5 year-olds here that need a notice saying "Don't spam, it's sUpEr AnNoYiNg!11!!1"
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

RfC about User:Gdpr000001, User talk:Gdpr000001 and S:B redirects

As explained in the title, these are discussed on their related talk pages and User talk:Ahmetlii, but I'd like to an RfC for solving the question.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

The first two have already been discussed at Talk:Gdpr0000001#Removing_several_redirects_to_this_page to delete, neutral on where S:B is targetted.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 06:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
But also, the discussion about gdpr has a few users and only 2 active users(me and Naleksuh), this doesn't mean a consensus because it goes to a discussion between two users.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Resolved and Unresolved Templates

No Not done

There are many discussions on talk pages on the wiki that get abandoned until someone discovers them again. Wouldn't it be helpful if we had a list of all the pages with unresolved discussions that have yet to be finished? Here are some advantages to a list like this:

  • In many cases, discussions won't get abandoned without being documented as unresolved discussions somewhere.
  • Users who want discussions to contribute to can just look at the list for some unresolved discussions.
  • It would improve the wiki's organization.

I think one way we could implement a system like this would be with two templates: {{unresolved}} and {{resolved}}.

The {{unresolved}} template would mark the discussion with "unresolved." It would also add the page to the hidden category Category:Pages With Unresolved Discussions, and provide a link to the category. If the page was in the "User talk" namespace, it would not be added to the category. This is so that if users want to use the templates on their own talk pages, they can, but users looking for discussions to participate in won't have to dig through user talk pages. There would also be a cat=no option to manually prevent the page from being added to the category. I've created a draft of this template at User:Bigpuppy/Unresolved. Note that the category part is commented out right now, so that pages don't get added to a nonexistent category. If this suggestion gets accepted, it will be un-commented.

The {{resolved}} template would mark the discussion with "resolved." It would have a date parameter that would show when the discussion was resolved. Resolved discussions would not be added to any category (unless that is something we want). I've created a draft of this template at User:Bigpuppy/Resolved.

Here are answers to some questions you may have:

Don't we already have the Yes Done and No Not done templates?
Yes. However, those templates don't have all of the functionality that the {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates would provide. If we added this functionality to the Yes Done and No Not done templates, all of the discussions that were not actually marked Yes Done but still have the template on them (e.g. if the template was used in casual conversation) would be added to the category.
Would these templates replace the Yes Done and No Not done templates?
No. Those templates would still be used in casual conversation and in tandem with the {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates (e.g. "is this conversation Yes Done?"). The {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates would be used more formally at the top of discussions.
Would use of these templates be required?
No. However, it would be recommended, so that the page gets added to the category of pages with unresolved discussions.
Would anyone be allowed to add these templates to any discussion, even ones they didn't create?
Yes. Similar to how the Yes Done and No Not done templates are used now, anyone would be able to mark a discussion as resolved or unresolved, even if they didn't create it.
The drafts you created look curiously similar to the {{shortcut}} template.
That's because I based part of their code on the {{shortcut}} template. :P

Kenny2scratch implemented semi-similar templates at User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks. They are similar in that they are templates located in the top-right of a discussion and show whether the discussion is done or not.

So, thoughts? Do you like the idea? Do you think it could use some improvement? Do you think we shouldn't create these templates at all? Please share your thoughts below. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

We already have S:CPND as a "unresolved" placeholder archive. I didn't see any usage of it unless marking "resolved" and "unresolved", and this gets another question: Will it be done or will not? (like 1 and 0, not includes 2 or 4). I don't think it's not important enough and @Kenny2scratch is using his permalinks to "never done" topics. I can support never done but not resolved-unresolved. Any opinions?
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
S:CPND isn't really relevant here because this wouldn't necessarily be used on the CP (but it could); the main purpose is for things like article talk pages. Could you clarify what you mean in the rest of your comment? Also, User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks includes done topics; look at the statuses on the right of each discussion. However, that was just an example. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary for article talk pages, because they don't need an archive or a job queue. It's not necessary as I think and said before.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your opinion. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
You're welcome. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Couldn't we just add the functionality to {{done}} and {{not done}}?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Please see the answer to "Don't we already have the Yes Done and No Not done templates?" in my original post. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:41, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

True, but you also stated that we could use cat=no as the default cat option. That way, all you'd need to do for casual conversation is add {{not done}} on the section. But on an "official" conversation, we would add cat=yes.
2 questions though: Would only {{unresolved}} add to a category? And, doesn't adding to a category add the entire page?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Oops, first question has been answered as soon as i posted lol
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

GitHub interwiki links

There seem to be a lot of GitHub links (including references) to the Scratch Wiki. Although the URL is not very long, maybe LLK github links (and maybe other github links) could have an interwiki link made for them (such as gh-llk, not 'gh' due to the presence of non-LLK github links as well).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think so. Github is an external link, even its links host Scratch repos. They may cause confusion. Plain links are a better solution.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

About updating MediaWiki

TL;DR: We're doing some tests to update MediaWiki due to some problems. Probably the wiki shut down for a few hours when it's ready to be installed. (Note: This is not an official explanation because made by me, so may be ignored)

As the developers, we're currently experiencing some problems on general extensions due to errors; and to solve them, we're thinking to upgrade our wiki to 1.35. This upgration will change a lot of things, from icons to security patch; so we're doing patches to ensure that our extensions will work successfully. When all preparations are completed, probably someone from admins will make an explanation.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Where did you get the information about the MediaWiki update here?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump

TL;DR: We're upgrading to MediaWiki Version 1.35. Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2020

Why upgrade?

Currently we're using MediaWiki 1.28, which is unsupported. This caused some problems and MW 1.28 is also incompatible with some extensions. This is why we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35, a LTS version soon to be stable.

Timeline

Time not set, but this is a big project which can take weeks.

Checklist

Extensions and Skins:

  • Yes Compatible ScratchWikiSkin2
  • Yes Compatible ScratchLogin (patch applied to fix warning)
  • Yes Replaced ConfirmAccount (new version built)
  • Yes Compatible Report (patch needs review)
  • Yes Compatible ScratchSig
  • Yes Replaced EditAccount (new version built)
  • Yes Compatible ScratchBlocks4
  • Yes Compatible RecentChangesWebhooks
  • Yes Compatible VisualEditor (but sb blocks will be only seen as string)

Bots:

  • Yes Compatible InterwikiBot
  • Yes Compatible TemplatesFTW
  •  Internal errors WikiMonitor (has problems about dependencies)

Misc:

  • Yes Compatible Special:BlockList patch - new version created
  • Yes Compatible Common.css
  •  Incompatible Common.js (sigwarn is problematic)

Discussion

This is gonna be big.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 08:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Question: Is Vector going to be compatible with it? I sometimes use SWS2 but I mostly use Vector on my laptop.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
@garnetluvcookie: Definitely because MediaWiki uses Vector as default.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
13:45, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
While we are doing this, can we add the VisualEditor? I have used it at snapwiki.miraheze.org, and it works great! I'm so excited for this update!
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 22:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
We are planning on adding the Visual Editor, however a bit of adaptation is necessary.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  01:03, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Why is the VisualEditor incompatible with ScratchWikiSkin2? As far as I know, (and I've been exploring this) the skin has all of the necessary hooks. Has anyone tried it?
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 16:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
@GrahamSH: I tried and tested. I know it has all necessary hooks, but also it cannot simulate the editing visually(because our skin is restrictive). We (as all developers in the Wikis) are looking for compatibility.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Update: VisualEditor is working currently with a few unimportant things like sb is not seen as block.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────(Remember to outdent at 6) What changes are there between 1.28 and 1.35? I know there's visual editor but I'm not sure what else.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
00:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

If Scratchblocks are to be added to the VisualEditor here, how will they be inputted?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 07:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
@Jammum: We're working on it for editing blocks visually. Probably we will use text, but also the blocks will be seen instantly on VisualEditor when someone did an edit on the Scratchblocks text.
@Dominic305: There are a lot changes, I suggest you to read all changelogs between 1.28 and 1.35.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
07:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Will the extension Popups be enabled instead of the current thing in the common.js? Popups, (the extension) is much better.
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 12:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, since Special:BlockList patch is broken, you could try using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 14:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the helping, but the developers is thinking that manually editing MediaWiki is better than use an extension for it. Anyway, thanks again! :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
14:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I am not sure where Ahmetlii got the idea above-- nobody has even suggested that, in addition to it being a bad idea for a number of technical reasons that I am sure ISW understands. There have not been any suggestions for a way of implementing Special:BlockList privacy, but I will see about some solutions.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 18:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── For VisualEditor, couldn't you do something similar to the way it's done in scratch forums?
I wish I could help but I don't know a single thing about PHP
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think so. BBS systems and wikis are two different things. btw, I'm not also good at PHP (my specialty is Python on backend)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
They are, but I wasn't saying that you use the systems. I was just saying to use the concepts of how the scratchblocks are entered into the visual space.
SAME, but I actually don't know a single thing of PHP
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually, it could look for typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
What do you mean by the tags are found? We use <scratchblocks> tags to make scratchblocks on the wiki...
In the visualeditor, we could just make a button, that will make something similar to the templates popup in the visualeditor. Then edit and it makes the block!
Edit conflict lol, but I wouldn't recommend deleting your entire post and replacing it with something else. It doesn't tell others what your previous thoughts were, (they could support you, or not) And is that typof= supposed to link anywhere?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
In the visualeditor, elements with scratchblock have typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks" in their html. But, there is no text (shown) that says <scratchblocks>
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 01:05, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
That's because <scratchblocks> get's replaced with <pre class="block"> or <code class="block"> to make scratch blocks...
I'm sorry but I don't understand your point.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I looked at the MediaWiki website and it said that the EditAccount extension is archived, which might be why it does not work on the latest MediaWiki version. Is it going to be forked or replaced?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 10:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

We're working on it. The only thing is we will not use EditUser (because it's so restrictive). Please check the GitHub repos of the International Scratch Wiki for public changelogs of the Scratch Wiki systems.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
11:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
apple502j has created an alternative to EditAccount that can be used on MediaWiki 1.35: PassEdit. The original reason we needed EditAccount was for the case when users forgot their passwords and emails were set incorrectly (or they entered their email incorrectly when requesting an account and couldn't get their password sent to them when their account was created). However, now that we have ScratchLogin, that is no longer an issue, since users can reset their password by using their Scratch account. We have tested the extension and it does work, but we are not sure if we will enable it or not.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

am i allowed to edit user messages if...

Am I allowed to edit user messages if the user calls me something I don't like to be called (only to fix what they call me)? Lots of people call me "Garnetluvcookie", which I don't like because I'm very sensitive about how the G in my name is capitalized.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

That is not an allowed usage of editing others' messages. Especially not when Garnetluvcookie is infact your username, although you may prefer something else and are allowed to make others aware of that.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
oml is this just to trigger me
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
also my scratch username is @garnetluvcookie, MediaWiki just auto capitalized the G.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
The message was not intended to "trigger" anything-- you asked a question and I answered it. While I am aware that MediaWiki does strictly capitalize username, and you are allowed to edit your signature or use displaytitles on your user (talk) page as appropriate, it would not be appropriate to chastise others for referring to what is your actual name. It also does not constitute editing another users' message as this can sometimes misrepresent what they are saying.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message. To garnetluvcookie, ask Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Just don't ask him right now, of course. He's busy with his studies. (So am I but I can't resist replying to talk messages...)
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
00:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

"Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message." This sarcastic comment is not helpful here. The point is that messages are edited when they are in violation of policies or when they are causing some other problem (for example, messages with erroneous formatting such as unclosed tags, messages adding a page to a category, or something like that. In addition, I have had others edit my messages in a way that changes their meaning before that has needed to be undone. The actors were doing so in good faith, but it was still problematic.
"Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him." So, he has a bias, meaning probably not the best ask. Instead, see the already existing well-established policy which says it should not be edited. In general, talk page messages are treated like userspace.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
garnetluvcookie, I realize that you may not like the name, but you shouldn't change another person's edit. Instead, you should reply kindly asking them to stop calling you that and to call you the names you prefer.
You also shouldn't be "triggered" against a capitilization. MediaWiki, and autocorrect, will capitilize yours, and others, names.
If they continue calling you that name (or purposely capitilize it), that's a completely different story.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
The user repeatedly keeps calling me Garnetluvcookie , and I've reported the revisions and no action has beeen taken.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Have you asked the user to stop?
I also don't think reporting the revision for this matter is appropriate.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I have asked the person to stop at least 4 times.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  17:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok... but instead of reporting their revision, ask an admin or someone. But please assume good faith in the future. It may be an accident.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I am assuming good faith. It's most likely an accident, but it's just something I'm sensitive about and annoys me... a lot.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Great! Just a suggestion: maybe include the names you don't want to be called on your userpage.
May I ask why the capital 'G' annoys you?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Sure. There are many reasons why, but the important one is that I never put capital letters in my usernames because it messes up literally my whole profile page for some reason and makes me look like someone who Talks Like This.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
i just realized i single-handedly blew up the CP 😲
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
That's a weird reason in my perspective, but you do you....
Only 4 KB left to go before archiving ;)
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Do I what?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Clarification: You must not use Report extension unless you need to contact admins urgently and privately, like sharing email or vandalism. If you "abused" Report extension, you may be blocked.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 19:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I don't want to start a flame, but I believe that was a fair report because it may seem small to you, but it affects me mentally and emotionally.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe make a less strict report extension? In this case, the 'new' report button could've been used to report a user that hasn't stopped calling garnetluvcookie with a 'G'...
I'm not sure, it's just a thought....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
So there's been a lot of discussion on both sides of this matter - I thought it would be appropriate to share my two cents on the matter. To be clear, I do not wish for my reply to be hostile, demeaning, or rude, simply a summary on my thoughts.
I do not believe that it is a "weird perspective" to have a preferred way of being referred to as. Sometimes the little things can really tick people off, and I understand that. I also understand that MediaWiki autocapitalizes names, such as jvvg/Jvvg, however we should all take note of people's preferred names and call them by that rather than their MediaWiki name.
In instances where a user has been referred to incorrectly, whether intentionally or inadvertently (as has been stated before, Assume Good Faith :)), the proper course of action should be to ask the user nicely not to refer to you as that and give a correct preferred name, which I can see has been done here multiple times. I understand it may upset/annoy the user who has been incorrectly referred to, however editing a message should not happen, which I can also see has not taken place. Good job!
Reporting should also not usually be used in these circumstances - instead, CC an admin or EW into the conversation and they will (hopefully) ask the user nicely to use the correct name.
@garnetluvcookie I understand that how you are referred to affects you deeply. Please don't think you are being told off here. In fact, by asking the user nicely to not call you by a certain name, you've done the right thng. Well done. :)
I think we all need to calm down and hold off sarcastic, snidy, or mean comments. We're a community built on being welcoming and enjoyable, let's keep it that way. :)
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 20:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Small question: what do you mean by CC? Isn't that a copyright
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
@12944qwerty CC, as in, carbon copy, I assume.
If you didn't know, CC is for sending a copy to another user for their information. Primary recipients are addressed as "TO" and others as "CC". (there's also BCC, but I don't want to go into more detail) :P
TenType (talk | contribs) 20:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Oh, that makes sense lol. thanks
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  21:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

archive the CP

I'm amazed that i basically made it blow up :P (i need to reset my sig so unsigned)
-unsigned comment by garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)

 Archiving...
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes Archived
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it)

No Not done
i can't explain anything so here goes... I've seen many people getting the "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB" message. Why? These users uploaded files that are like 6 KB. 6 KB!!! That's incredibly small, at least for file sizes. I believe that the minimum file size for compression should be raised to 20 KB because that's a size that's small, but large enough that it's too big. Thoughts?
Glc.jpg ♥ garnetluvcookie ♥ | ♥ talk ♥ | ♥ contribs ♥ 00:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I think the title of this topic should actually be "Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it)" (or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?) :)
Also, could you please clarify which message you're talking about?
  • Special:Upload states "Is the image's filesize over 300KB? If it is, please compress it. TinyPNG is recommended for PNGs and JPEGs (contrary to the name, it does support JPEG)."
  • The abuse filter warning that appears when you upload a file that's too large also uses the 300KB number, stating "If your file is over 300KB, please compress it. TinyPNG is recommended for PNGs and JPGs."
  • The message that TemplatesFTW posts on users' talk pages after it compresses their files does not state any number, but rather states that "... the image size was kinda big ...".
None of the above messages mention that you should "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB," so could you please clarify which message you are talking about? If I'm missing something obvious, please point it out. Thank you! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Ahh, yes I meant increase, it's just pretty late where I am and I'm a bit sleepy. Also, the compress if it's over 2 KB thing was a joke to show how low the compressing thing is :P. I'll fix the post before I fall asleep in my chair.
Glc.jpg ♥ garnetluvcookie ♥ | ♥ talk ♥ | ♥ contribs ♥ 02:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Yeah people take compression way too seriously. Maybe at 30mb losslessly you should consider compressing, but there's no reason to compress something already only 20 kb (which is incredibly small in 2020, a lot of JavaScript files are bigger). Some images have been compressed so aggressively that the text becomes difficult to read and have needed to be reverted. The file dimensions were recently increased to 1080p a couple weeks ago, but there hasn't been much comment on file size. I personally think that an increase on file size limit would be very helpful as compression has been taken way too seriously (in most cases it has almost no benefit, although there are always exceptions). In addition, admins for some reason can upload files up to 218 times larger than non-admins, which again I think is another unnecessary line.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 02:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Exactly. All it does is decreases file size by like 4 KB. Personally I think that compression is taken wayy too seriously here.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  02:31, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Tone down the rejected messages on S:BR archives

Note Note: None of this was made to offend the people who reject bot requests. Please take no offense.

Some of the rejected summaries at S:BR rejected requests are very unwelcoming. For example, my rejected message had "User has no programming experience" which comes off extremely rude, and when I do have programming experience (if you count Scratch as a programming language... *awkward smile*). The only reason that I don't is because I'm incredibly young, not even in middle school. If I was 5 years older, I would've created a bot already. (Please don't argue this point against me, I don't want the summary bored into my head)

Also, a user may not have much experience in the language, but that doesn't mean that they are incapable of creating a bot. I know many people online (haha don't ask about IRL) that are new to the language that they chose, but they've created amazing stuff. It's enforcing the stereotype of "young children are dumb and can't do complex stuff". No matter how minor, it's still showing bad behavior as a role-model.

This doesn't mean that the admins need to rewrite every single rejected summary, they just need to be more considerate about how others will feel. extreme nostalgia and/or cringe side affects may occur in 3... 2... 1... It's like that concept that everyone was taught in early grade school, fill others buckets, don't dump them.

now my fingers hurt :P
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

As mysteriously as he arrived, NYCDOT was gone again. Hi. I checked out your BR, and it appears that Ken wrote "Proposer has no programming experience and VoxBot is the only approved typography bot." He said it like it is, you have no experience. What is he supposed to say? We aren't going to give out gold stars to people who propose that they create their own bots without any idea how to do so. Try out a some programming languages before proposing a a new Wiki Bot, and I'm sure the next time you have a BR the admins will be more than happy to review your request. As for the bot idea itself, VoxBot is an approved bot that we know works well and does its job. If you have problems with it, I'm sure KrIsMa will listen to your suggestions.
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 18:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I do have programming experience, I just only knew Scratch at the time I suggested it. Also, even though I apparently am dumb, I do know a good bit of Python.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Two things. One, no one ever said you were dumb. Not knowing how to do a certain thing doesn't make you dumb. Two, at the time of the bot request, you pretty much had no experience. While you may have some now, that doesn't change the past. If you think of a new, useful bot, you can propose one again.
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 18:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Welcome back NYCDOT, I came back recently too :P, also, remember about your indents :P
Scratch is not counted as programming knowledge. Although you could use scratch knowledge to code with other languages, knowing scratch only isn't enough. Can you make a bot with scratch coding? No, you cannot. Ken writing that you have no programming experience is completely fine. You agreed you have no programming experience outside of Scratch.
Although it may be rude for you, it is in no way meant to be rude. Ken wrote all details in his rejected message so that everyone understands why this bot got rejected and so that users don't make a bot for the same reason. There's always a reason for writing things the way it's written.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Try it yourself! (button)

My idea is that there will be some visual scratchblocks, and a button next to it. The user can click on the button, and it will bring them to scratch and remix a project with the code in it. They can then mess around with it.

You could probably use this in


12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Can anyone help me understand why the category links aren't showing up?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually, we're also working about the embed projects (we have different opinions for make it, so I cannot say a specific info.). You can see everyone in here whose want to help for the Wiki! :)
For the second question, I've fixed it. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
What? I'm confused. What do you mean by "everyone in here whose are want to help for the Wiki"? There's a lot of English mistakes.... can you please fix it so I can understand? Thanks!
OH YEAH, I forgot about putting those for some links...
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I meant "please check public and private changelogs and also look at RC".
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
For embedding a scratch project? Can you direct me to it?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes Done
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Something's wrong

Yes Done
Something’s up, my signature turns timestamps into code boxes, without the actual code tags appearing. Is this an error with my syntax or is it an actual bug? I’m not sure, so if someone could help me with this, that would be great. I’ve been trying to get it right for weeks. An example of the issue can be found below, or at this page
78ch3ProfilePic.png78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 00:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

It's because User:78ch3/Sig has some new lines it should not. There are two line breaks between </span> and <noinclude>. Those new lines should simply be removed (so that it is </span><noinclude> on one line), and then it should be fixed.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I got up this morning to fix it, but didn’t read this, so when I came here, it turns out I did exactly what you wanted me to do.
78ch3ProfilePic.png78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 21:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes Done
78ch3ProfilePic.png78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 21:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

My Banner

Yes Done

Why did my banner get removed? I needed it for my forum signature and I can't use assets on my computer because it won't load and now my signature won't work.
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom

Is this problem related to the forum? If it is, please bring up the topic there and they'll be able to help you more.
Also, remember for the future to write your texts before your signature. This means that you do REPLY/TEXT ~~~~. The four tildes are your signature. Thank you!
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:21, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
It was not deleted, it was moved to a different title that was less generic.
Also, the Scratch Wiki should not be used as an image host for Scratch or anywhere else outside the wiki. I recommend you use another hosting site such as CubeUpload to upload your banner.
and i was caught in an edit conflict
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
We're not an image host. Use extensions that upload images to Scratch assets, or look to index.php for deleted images, or host in another website that Scratch allows.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I just looked at Recent Changes. Your banner didn't get removed. It just got moved so that it had a more specific name. Banner.png could mean that it's a banner for the Mainspace Scratch wiki pages instead.
Your banner is now located here: File:Banner FollowCherryBlossom.png
I had edit conflict too lol, with both jammum and ahmetlii at the same time AND MYSELF oh gods
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I've editted like three times and the same has happened and okay
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
The reason for doing so is because I don't use cubeupload or photobucket, I thought it had been deleted
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
You should though. This wiki isn't meant to host images, you should use an actual hosting server. Those are some of the best hosting servers.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── "Those are some of the best hosting servers" no, those are just the ones allowed by Scratch.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

out of curiosity...

What's the 3 Revert Rule? I know we use BRD but it's referenced in many places, most notably nutshell. 

also, whatup with my message it's being weird or *looks above* close your tags!!!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The 3 revert rule is when you stop to discuss the revert if it has been reverted three times. At least that's what I remember.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think we have 3RR(Three Revert Rule) here. We instead have BRD - Bold, Revert and Discuss.
Also, indenting your post with a space makes that box thing.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 13:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Another user’s talk page organization

Another user (not mentioning who) on this wiki requires users who post on their talk page that they use level three headings for discussion headings and put their messages in a section (some of which are not at the bottom of the page) on that page, whilst all other talk pages (including user ones) are supposed to use level two headings and require all messages (including bot ones) to go at the bottom of the page. Is the user's way of organising their talk page allowed?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I know this user and I don't believe so.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think it's allowed, but if it is right now then I think it shouldn't be. It's confusing.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
12:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

How to curate a project?

I want to know how to curate a project as I am interested to learn how to. I want to encourage my friend so thats one reason. If you got an idea how, please leave a reply so I can see. Thank you so much for everything and may god bless you abundantly! :)
Ani_coding_PRO (talk | contribs) 11:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Here ya go: Curator (front_page)#Application_and_Selection
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ani_coding_PRO: Please ask in the Questions about Scratch forum (link to the forum is on the page) for Scratch-related questions that do not involve this wiki. The wiki is not a replacement for the Scratch Forums.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Wiki down?

I got an HTTP 500 error for about 30 seconds a minute ago. Other wikis (I checked de, test, and fr) were up. Was this a server problem?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

And again...
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
This was a result of some preparatory work we're doing for the upgrade. Unfortunately there wasn't any way to do it without any disruption. However, it should be done now. You may experience some slowdown for a while, but not any more downtime.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I am experiencing some slowness (a page takes around 1 minute to load) so that explains that.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I think the slowness has finally been resolved, so we should be good to go going forwards. I do not anticipate any remaining disruption to the Wiki until we actually perform the upgrade (we do not have a specific day planned yet, but hopefully soon).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Yay!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  20:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Also running great for me! Did you figure out what was causing it or did it just go away by itself?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
20:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── With some help from apple502j and banana439monkey I was able to fix it. The issue was that 1. apcu (a PHP extension that greatly improves performance) wasn't enabled and 2. there was a setting keeping it from actually running even after I enabled it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Don't understand how, but I'm still receiving a HTTP 500 error whenever I try to go to Recent Changes — It's always slow with loading, but it's never completely been broken. Is it because I have some laggy softwares on on my computer at the moment?
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 07:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Do you use a browser other than Chrome or Safari? I've tested on my Mac on both Safari and Chrome and it works fine. It also may be your internet connection spitting false errors, but I can't confirm that because I have full bars and I'm literally 10 feet away from the router thing.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I use Google Chrome or Safari most of the times, coincidentally. I've tested on Lenovo (Windows 10) and now I'm on my father's Mac, but Recent Changes still gives a 500 error, and I don't have those laggy softwares on here.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 13:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Odd. I've tried on Chrome and Safari on my Mac and my iPad, and i get no error. Try rebooting your WiFi?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  14:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Not at the moment, since my router is in the basement and I don't really wanna go there at the moment. However, quick status update: it's still happening.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 17:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok. I'll try to replicate it and find a fix.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  17:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I am not receiving any HTTP errors but ScratchLogin is broken for me. It keeps telling me I have not commented the code even after commenting.
R4356th (talk | contribs) 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

please outdent correctly!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  22:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
It's been more than a day since this has happened and it's still occurring. Could somebody please help? My dad went down and restarted the router today too.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Try going to Private Browsing and opening it without logging in? Maybe your entries per page is too high. Mine is set to 300 from the last 30 days.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
14:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I'll try that; I think I set my entries per page to the highest possible amount, so that could be the issue. Thanks!
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I didn't do it exactly the way you said, but I tried logging out and now I have the link for 50 entries, so I can use it for going to Recent Changes. This is definitely not a very efficient method, but because I'm an idiot I think this will work find for now. Thanks!
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome, glad I could help you fix it!
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
14:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Even better, I found a way to let it do it automatically! Thank you so much for the help!
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

make templates like trout

(yes, i am aware of S:NOTWP. i am suggesting because it's funny.) Self-explanatory. There would also be self-trout, minnow, and whale.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  14:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Trout notification}} exists, if it is something multiple people want it could be moved out of my userspace. Until then you can use it with that link. I have not heard of whale or minnow but I'm sure those could also be made if everyone wants them.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
14:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
shameless plug but not many people know about it unless you plug it everywhere :/
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  14:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
We do not allow mainspace templates that aren't intended for use in articles or on talk pages. You may make a template like that in your userspace if you want.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

is this normal?

WHAT HAPPENED.png

i think i successfully broke the wiki
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It's because you're on vector skin and zoomed in all the way....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
but i wasn't
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
We do not officially support the Vector skin (or any other non-ScratchWikiSkin skin) and cannot make any guarantees everything will work with it. Also it looks like you are either zoomed in all the way as 12944qwerty said or on a small screen. On my screen, preferences looks fine in vector.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Try disabling Dark Reader (right?) and seeing if it works.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
18:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
ahahaha you got me :P
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposing changes on the roles

Yes Done

Hi everyone. With the update, MediaWiki will give an extra feature for us: Time-limited roles. With it, we can do time-limited bots for testing, give role for a technical stuff and more. However, as the developers and admins, we will not want to enable it before getting a consensus - because it's about moderation also, undesirable actions may make different things.

Discussion

This will gonna be huge.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

To my opinion, it's a good idea - and I believe that the admins will give it only for necessary actions.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
This is not something that needs discussion or enabling -- it is always on by default. Discussion Yes Done
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Downtime coming on Tuesday

Hi everyone,

As detailed in a forum post, the Wiki will be down on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 9pm Scratch Time/1am UTC for about 30 minutes (click the link to see it in your own timezone). We will be upgrading MediaWiki to 1.35 from the current version of 1.28. See the upgrade megathread for details about the upgrade itself and what it will entail.

During the upgrade, the English Wiki will be down entirely (all pages will be replaced with a message explaining the situation) and not just read-only. Other language Wikis will continue operating as normal, though they may be a bit slower. Any discussion necessary during that time can take place on our forum topic. We have done a dry run of this upgrade and have ironed out the issues that came up, so we do not anticipate running into any problems. Still, something unexpected may always come up, so please be patient and don't panic if it takes longer than 30 minutes.

TL;DR: The Wiki will be down Tuesday at 9pm Scratch Time for about 30 minutes so we can perform software updates.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you jvvg and everyone else who has had a part in making this happen! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Great! now i like that i'm in the same time zone as Scratch
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Same here. Looking forward to the updates!
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 19:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Note: You can check update time from here to convert update time to your timezone. However, I may not be able to see it; it will be at 4 am bruh
Anyway, I just wanted to thanks all users in the Wiki who made constructive edits and @Naleksuh, @Mini_Kostik, @apple502j, @Kenny2scratch, @jvvg, and other people who worked on development phase.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
@jvvg said the link before, sorry. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome (woo upgrade!), but also not awesome (boo downtime!)! I hope all goes well. 10milemoji.png
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
20:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I hope the upgrade brings exciting new features! (and the downtime will happen when I will be asleep)
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I really hope everything will go well during the upgrade :)
LankyBox01 (talk | contribs) 18:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
aaa 2 hours left! Hopefully the updates are successful again :D
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 22:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
1 hour!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for VisualEditor!
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 23:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually not 1 hour, because the update will start in a hour.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
00:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
45 minutes left of 1.28.3. Let's all say bye to the glorious... uh... ok I don't know. There's really not too much important to me in the upgrade (visual editor is overrated)
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
00:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 minutes left until the update starts! I'm excited! :D
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 00:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Three more minutes! Thank you to everyone who has worked hard to make this happen! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The final minute for MW 1.28!
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 00:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
...and, we're back! Thank you to everyone who helped make this happen! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome! Being honest though I kinda like the old MW version more. Not sure why. Also visual editor doesn't work on Scratch Wiki: namespaces?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
02:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Also canned edit summaries seem to be broken (clicking on the summary box opens the canned edit menu)
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
02:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Dominic305, I don't think visual editor is available for any talk pages. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Oh, I suppose you are right that it isn't available in project space, either. Huh. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 03:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Huh?

My browser (this page) just went pitch black for a split second. Did anyone else experience this?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

No; but for that situation, also you can hard refresh or clean your cache directly.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
As in a simple black flash, that's normally when your browsers just rendered the page again. I wouldn't worry about it.
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Loss of session data

[2]
Not exactly sure why, but when attempting to save an edit, I got a session error, but doing the edit again was fine. Has anyone else ever experienced this?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
20:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

No. It may be a problem with your iPad or Safari. I haven't used either for editing for at least 4 months, so I cannot confirm.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  20:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
This sometimes happens when your session has conflicting data. Try doing that in an incognito (Chrome) or private (Firefox) window and see what happens, since that guarantees you have a fresh session.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How do I make a fill width CSS for SWS2

As per title.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! September 24th, 2020

Welcome to the 32nd Thankful Thursday! September 24th, 2020.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for everything you've done to help the Wiki ;-;
    Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Without a doubt, you've been an amazing administrator around the wiki. Especially with patrolling these days with a lot of edits in Recent Changes, it takes a lot of work and effort. I don't know what I'd do without your help. Thank you!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for literally spamming activity on the Wiki and also for thanking millions of people, that's some gratitude and effort.
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for being so active! We appreciate editors like you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • A big thanks to you for your activity, keep going! I also really like the blur effect you incorporated in your header. :)
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
ThatOneWeirdDude (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your edits recently! I'm glad you decided to join the wiki! I hope you decide to continue! :D
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
VFDan (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your recent contributions, such as those to discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for making so many constructive edits to the wiki! It is clear that you have a talent for editing, so thank you for using that talent to help the Scratch Wiki. (Thanks also for your help in upgrading MediaWiki!) :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your massive amounts of bold contributions, we really appreciate what you are doing here. You've been a great editor!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for your constructive contributions to discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your work with Wiki Wednesday and other initiatives such as the New User Recommendations program! :D
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for being such an intuitive SW member - always finding new ideas to improve it, introducing new tactics, and being an awesome helper in general!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
4096bits (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for all your edits! Even though you just started this month, you are already proving yourself as a helpful member of our community. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your many contributions lately! Keep it up!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you so much for being consistently active and helpful. You're a wonderful editor and community member! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • All throughout the year, you have been active and cooperative. Thank you for your dedication to the wiki!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
TenType (talk | contribs)
  • I can't thank you enough for your work patrolling and reviewing account requests. You bring a friendly and upbeat attitude to the wiki, and it's been great working with you. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Petition to add an auto-thank feature for absolutely amazing people
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Am395397 (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for the interesting food for thought you posted on my talk page (for those who haven't seen it, it is here and here). :P
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
banana439monkey (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your work as an Experienced Wikian; I and others appreciate you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
  • Welcome back, and thanks for your edits recently! You are greatly appreciated as a Scratch and Scratch Wiki community member. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Ayyy, you're back and already contributing a lot! Thank you for your edits!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Leahcimto (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your edits and activity recently! I hope you are having fun editing the wiki, since your edits are greatly appreciated. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Apple502j (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for being such a large help in finding and fixing vulnerabilities, and for being a great Experienced Wikian! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for helping with those Recent Changes issues people were having, and generally thank you for all of the technical help apart from mere edits too!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
jakel181 (talk | contribs)
  • As always, thanks for running Thankful Thursday and helping the wiki in other ways, such as by reviewing account requests. Everyone here appreciates you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for being my humorous friend who trolled me using German and English! I'll never forgot that!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
ArtsyStrawberry (talk | contribs)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for everything you've done for the wiki, from the day you joined to today. I'm glad that you decided to join the wiki, since you're an integral part of our community. It's great that you've found time to help us out even during your studies, though I know you are aware that at this point in time your studies are much more important than editing the wiki. ;)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • You spend so much effort on taking care of the Wiki, it's honestly mesmerizing. It's hard to keep your focus on thing like that, and you take care of it so much and help sooo many people. You're amazing!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
Dominic305 (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for being so active recently! You are greatly appreciated as an editor and person. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for helping me with that Recent Changes bug!
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Illusion705 (talk | contribs)
jvvg (talk | contribs)
  • I'm not sure what the wiki would do without you. And I'm not just saying that to be nice; I'm really not sure what the wiki would do without you. The fact that you've been contributing impeccable edits, code, and admin work to the wiki since 2012—with little to nothing except the joy of contributing in return—is admirable. This is made even more impressive by the fact that you now have a job and are still active. I think I can speak for all editors when I say thank you. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Whenever I need help or I need some bureaucrat action, you're pretty much always available to respond. You've dedicated so much time to the wiki, I can't thank you enough for it!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for making sure the wikis have a home. Wonderful things happen here, and you make them possible. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)
Jammum (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for being so active, suggesting so many things on the Community Portal, editing many pages, and participating in so many discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for writing this comment. I feel it is very well-written, and has a calm and respectful demeanor. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


The next TT is, October 29th, see you then!

No Not done
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

wow big thanks
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Whoa! Thanks! :)
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 13:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

userpage not showing /error

Yes Done

my user page [[3]] is showed as :::external link pls help me i need it to make my siggy how its done is it an error?

Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 05:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
It is because of how you are trying to link to your userpage. To have an internal link, you only need the page name, not the full URL of the page. So for your userpage this would be: [[User:Arjunking788]]. This will create a link like this: User:Arjunking788. If you want to make the link say something other than the exact page title, like this: Arjunking788 (without the "User:"), then you can do this: [[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]]. The reason it displays a "Bad title" error is because you were mixing the external and internal link formats. An external link with custom text is done like this: [https://example.com Example Link] (notice how it uses a " " (space) instead of a "|"), so you were actually linking to a page called User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788, which isn't a valid page name, instead of User:Arjunking788, which is a valid page name.
Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs) 06:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
thank you now i could work on my siggy and i learnt to format css and html to make borders and
rounded ones


Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 11:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Good news, possibly

Sorry if this is kind of irrelevant on the CP, but I thought putting it here would be a good idea to stop my excitement-- I have a new computer now for my birthday, which probably means more quality edits around here! You can expect to see me around a lot more often than before, at least for a few days.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 17:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Awesome! Can you tell me what hardware it has?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
18:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
It's a HP Pavilion gaming computer :D I'm mainly targetting to start working on a gaming channel, and this computer also has good visual effects which I need since I use programs like Scratch or the wiki a lot.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 18:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Ooh, how many cores does it have? Mine has 6 abs cores.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  22:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
yeah that's really relevant on the cp anyway, congratulations then.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
22:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Epic, personally I'm going to build my own in a few months for $600.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
00:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

2 problems

Number two also happens for me when I try to edit User:Bigpuppy/Status or User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox using the visual editor. Editing my userpage using the visual editor does not display the error. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I also get it on those pages, so the problem is by page. However, it also has worked for me on a number of pages without issue. I will look into this.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I was editing the Featured Studios with Visual Editor to test and got the error too...
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The problem is that VisualEditor does not work on subpages. Unfortunately this is a limitation with Apache and the design of the extension. Unfortunately there isn't really much we can do about this for now other than wait for the developers of the extension to release a patch. As for Ken's canned edit script, please contact Ken directly about that, as that is supported by him and not the Wiki as a whole.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Upgrade complete!

Hi everybody,

I am proud to report that the Wiki upgrade is complete! We are now running MediaWiki 1.35, which should help resolve a lot of the technical issues we've had in the past. My apologies that the upgrade took somewhat longer than planned (a little over an hour instead of the 30 minutes anticipated). The only remaining major issue is that currently foreign file repositories are broken. The reason for this is that the other Wikis are still running MediaWiki 1.28 whose database structure (at least when it comes to files) is incompatible with that of MediaWiki 1.35. The other Wikis will be upgraded at some point in the future, and as each Wiki is upgraded, the file repository will also be linked.

Also, we now have two big new features:

  • Our new in-house account request system, which replaces the existing system that was only a modification of an existing system. The new system allows for discussion about requests to take place on the Wiki itself rather than in comments, and also generally is more tailored towards being integrated with Scratch. This system was developed by me, apple502j, Naleksuh and kenny2scratch with translations provided by apple502j (Japanese), ahmetlii (Turkish), smrman (French), and Mini_Kostik (Russian)
  • The VisualEditor extension, a visual editor. This is still in beta and is currently opt-in (preferences -> editing -> "Enable the visual editor"). We have made preliminary efforts to integrate it with ScratchWikiSkin, but this is still a work-in-progress. Please let us know of any specific issues you encounter.

Thank you everybody for your patience, and please let us know of any issues you may encounter!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Great! Thank you to jvvg and everyone else who made this happen! The visual editor was enabled for me by default; was that supposed to happen? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
the wiki is now more clean and more better now. I love the new design when editing

Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
For some reason, all links are now underlined. This is really annoying, and only came after the update. Could this be fixed?
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 12:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Yep, that happened to me too. Go to preferences, then appearance, then change the link underlining option.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  13:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Well, the default should be "skin or browser default".
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
It was for me? I didn't have to change my preferences....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Same here; "Skin or browser default" was enabled by default for me. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Well that's weird. Maybe you had already changed your settings in the past?
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 13:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

RfC for Interface admins group

With the recent update to MediaWiki 1.35, a new group has been created: Special:ListGroupRights#interface-admin. Currently, nobody has this group-- however this is the only group that is able to edit pages like MediaWiki:Common.js. While we have policies for how to request Experienced Wikian (through annual elections) and sysop (through requests on Community portal); there is no policy as to how to request Interface admin as it is a new group to Scratch Wiki. There are several possible ideas for how users might request this group.

Below there are three proposals. Keep in mind that these are not necessarily contradictory, multiple or all of them could coexist.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposal 1: Allow interface admin to be requested permanently through the community portal

Support

Oppose

I think the group is too specific for this to be useful-- I also think granting permanent access puts importance and does not allow specific tasks to be vetted as they should be.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Proposal 2: Allow interface admin to be requested temporarily (for a specific purpose) through /Admin Requests

Support

Allows users to edit the interface as needed. Seems like the best path for requesting and allows specific tasks as well as not granting permanent access as needed.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

"Hey can I have permissions to edit common.js? I want to [do something innocent]. - User1" "Sure, I'll grant you perms. - Admin1" "Thanks! - User1" User1 then proceeds to add a script that steals passwords. Admin1 quickly undos and bans User1, but the damage has been done. User1 can now login as User2 and User3. The exploitation possibility is too large here.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
True, but this could also easily happen through permanent requests on the community portal. I see you chose not to vote on proposal 1 at all, neither support nor oppose. Is that mistake or intentional?
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 21:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Intentional, I would've just been repeating your message.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  02:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Proposal 3: Allow interface admin to be non-controversially granted to any user with server access

Support

This is exactly how it used to be, and anybody with server access is trusted, and they usually won't make changes without the community's approval; they should still ask for feedback, but they should have the right.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

This was initially proposed because users with server access have the ability to escalate their own permissions to begin with-- but I would still prefer they request it through the traditional method as the community should still at least be given a chance to weigh in on the attempted edits.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments

link colors

how do i change link colors in html like in siggy

Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 04:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi there! You can use this:
<span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span>
to make this:
Hello, world!
You can also use hex codes, for example:
<span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span>
makes:
Hello, world!
Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. Also, just so you know (for the future), generally there is no need to indent the first post of a topic. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
You could also use {{Link attributes}}
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Merge Check users and Supressors user groups with bureaucrats or administrators

Except for the Interface Admin user group, two other user groups were added in the new MediaWiki upgrade. They are mentioned in the title of this topic. I think those groups are unnecessary and could be merged and have their rights moved to other usergroups.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 05:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

These were actually removed already removed in 28, but were inadvertently restored by the upgrade. However, I personally feel like they should not be removed for a number of reasons:
1) CheckUser and Suppressor inherently mean access to confidential information, which is usually specifically mentioned in the privacy policy. Voting in users for bureaucrat should not typically result in access to private information.
2) Users who have access to such information generally are scrutinized much more than users who do not. Suppressors need to deal with PII like real names, home addresses, and anything else like that. It is not the role of a bureaucrat to handle stuff like that.
3) Scratch Wiki has a tendency to treat user groups like a hierarchy (i.e. Bureaucrat is better than sysop, which is better than Experienced Wikian). I think that these three new user groups help remove this bad aura.
4) Bureaucrat does not have an age requirement, but I do not want minors to have access to the information that CheckUsers and Suppressors do.
There are a number of other reasons as well that they should not be merged, but this is just off the top of my head. Comments about Interface admin can be directed to a couple threads above this, which I assume Jammum has seen.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 05:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
For your last statement, literally 99% of users are under the age of 18. I'm a minor, and I feel extremely offended by this comment. It just enforces a stereotype that everyone under the age of 13 is dumb. Also, it wouldn't be a fair opportunity for everyone. I know that admins are encouraged to have access to the discord server, but it is not mandatory.
For your 2nd statement, there isn't much personal info on my (and everyone else's) account. As long as you trust (or the majority trusts) the user, you'll be fine.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't see anything about 'all people under 13 are dumb' in the post above yours. Also there is definently personal info in our accounts - I wouldn't really want people to be able to see my email address.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Support to @Dominic305. There's also a legal side; we must ensure that someone is not using emails for email hacking or phishing - that's why we must give these roles to people that older 13 (for juridical capacity) and trusted users by the community. This doesn't mean that people under 13 is dumb, but that's risky - give a user that does not have juridical capacity may make unwanted legal consequences.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
After reading these, I have a proposal. There should be 2 bureaucrat ranks. One for users under the age of 13, and one for users over the age of 13. If a user is elected or appointed bureaucrat, and they happen to be underage, they would get a similar rank to normal bureaucrat but the permissions regarding the viewing and changing of personal information would be removed. This wouldn't be publicised unless the user does it themselves.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Imho nobody needs to have those perms. And just because somebody is over 13, they're automatically not going to do anything malicious with the emails? I signed up with my personal email, and I don't want anybody to know my name (I prefer anonymity). Besides, how would you know they are 13? I can easily say I'm 22, although that's a blatant lie. How would allowing any user group to view emails benefit the wiki?
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  20:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

First of all, the age in question would be 18 and not 13 as 13-year-olds are still minors and are not legally able to sign non-disclosure agreements (although they are able to be bound by privacy policies). Also, I think that simply having two groups based on age only (halfway) solves one of the issues at hand and does not solve any of the others. For example, one could be granted CheckUser/Supressor and not bureaucrat; or bureaucrat and not CheckUser/Suppressor. The two groups should not be merged into bureaucrat, and I think that having seperate groups for users who are over or under 13 is simply problematic, discriminatory, and does not solve the issues at all.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
To VFDan, while asking for a users' birthday is sufficient for COPPA compliance, for access to confidential information, proof of legal identification is usually required, and lying about the age would immediately be found out.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
If the age would be 18, then let's just get rid of literally every single admin or EW! I have a hunch that almost every EW/Admin is under 18, leaving the very few 18+ admins to do all the work. Many adults have jobs to do, and that explains their activity.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Skin problems

It seems that the Cologne Blue and Modern skins do not work at all. Once you switch to one of them, every page will look like this (Modern) or this (Cologne Blue). If the skin is accidently set you can append ?useskin=vector so you can revert your settings, but this should still probably be fixed ASAP so new editors don't have this problem and not know how to fix it. It may also be my iPad acting weird so if anyone wants to test it use the Preview function.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
15:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Let me test on macOS with Chrome...
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Can reproduce on Chromium Microsoft Edge v85.0.564.63 on Windows 10 v1909. Must be something that was broken during the update.
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Probably needs to be updated itself for compatibility. Looks like whatever function it did no longer exists.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,625)  Scratch  Directory 
16:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
These were removed from core MW somewhere between 1.28 and 1.35. They have to be manually added or removed.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  17:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I have updated all skins, so you should be good now. Do be aware that we only provide official support for ScratchWikiSkin.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Minor Grammatical Issue in Footer

It says "Privacy policy" instead of Privacy Policy. Should not this be fixed?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 17:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

It's same though and I think that it should not be capitalized because of it's a general title (bundled with MediaWiki).
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
It's capitalized on Scratch though
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Should we copy everything on Scratch's footer to here? There are a lot of links there that aren't here....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
This is not a "grammatical issue" or something that must be "fixed"-- capitalization like that is common, but Scratch Wiki has the idea of Capitalizing Everything Ever. For example, the default capitalization for Special:RecentChanges is Recent chamges, but was changed on Scratch Wiki to Recent changes. As for copying over the Scratch footer, a rewrite of ScratchWikiSkin into ScratchWikiSkin3 was proposed on Discord, but I do not know if that is happening. Currently, the skin uses various MediaWiki messages, usually introducing new ones, but sometimes using existing ones, which I would guess Privacy policy is one of those cases.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)