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| time of incident (make it as accurate as you can)
 
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| 8 August 2018
 
| 400 Bad Request<br/>503 Service Unavailable
 
| I was editing [[User:Kenny2scratch/common.js]], and when I clicked "save page" I hit a "400 Bad Request" error. I pressed the browser "back" button (thanks Chrome for caching form data), and clicked "save page" again, and I encountered "503 Service Unavailable". I went back again, resubmitted, and the edit went through.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 10:26 AM, 3 September 2018 (GMT)
 
| Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties
 
| I clicked on random page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 5:27 PM, 3 September 2018 (HKT)
 
| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties"
 
| I was literally attempting to edit this section. When I clicked the "edit" link, it brought me to a page that said:
 
<big>'''Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.'''</big><br/>
 
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.<br/>
 
<small>(Cannot access the database)</small>
 
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:You can try searching Google in the meantime.<br/><small>Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.</small>
 
{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 10:07-11:20 PM, 8 September 2018 (HKT)
 
| Major outage across all wikis
 
| Multiple screenshots: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987719411204102/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.08.33_AM.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487988142184595478/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.10.22_AM.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987682132230148/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987425193492492/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.07.28_AM.png][https://pastebin.com/jkxGm6P4 this is the most useful error][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487988331226071060/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487989244506144775/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487990014861377536/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487990367946407958/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/488005118428577792/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/488005028028874754/unknown.png]
 
 
 
Basically the database failed to connect for a while, causing all sorts of obscure errors. Specifically, at times the required "mysql.sock" file was missing. Looking at server configuration, the MySQL server had to restart itself 11 times during this time period.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 10:44 AM, 2 October 2018 (GMT)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
| Edit a user's talk page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:46, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 4:40 AM, 2 January 2019 (CST)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
| Trying to create a redirect page. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 4:58 PM, 8:02 PM, 10:22 PM, 10:25 PM @ 3 January 2019 (HKT); 12:46 AM @ 4 January 2019 (HKT)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
<br/>503 Service Unavailable
 
<br/>File upload fail
 
| Frequent outages across all wikis. Most likely caused by traffic spike from 3.0.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 9:12 AM, 4 January 2019 (CST) <br/> 9:17 AM, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 
| "Service Unavailable Error [...]<br/>503 Service Unavailable Error"<br/>"508 Resource Limit Reached"
 
| Trying to enter my talk, kept refreshing until worked, came to CP to log fault. Errors repeated until worked. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 15:02:46, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
| Fatal exception of type DBQueryError
 
| I was tring to go to the Community Portal and the website was taking a while to load and then I got the error. It went away after I refreshed the page. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 15:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 9:02 AM, 7 February 2019 (CST)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
| Trying to go to [[How to Make a Typewriter Effect]]. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 4:50 AM, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
| HTTP error: error
 
| Clicked the ''Show preview'' button while editing [[User:TenType/Header]], when it did not preview and received the error. Clicking the button again resolved the issue. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 11:00 PM, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 
| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
 
| Literally attempted to access en.scratch-wiki.info and a few other pages, when I received this:
 
<big>'''Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.'''</big><br/>Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.<br/><small>(Cannot access the database)</small>
 
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:You can try searching via Google in the meantime.
 
:<small>Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.</small><br/>
 
Waited for like 10 minutes while reloading and the error finally cleared.
 
<scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 07:17, 25 June 2019 (HKT)
 
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| 08:25, 22 January 2020 (EST)
 
| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
 
| Tried to navigate to my userpage from another article, and got [https://ibb.co/qMqwN4M the error].{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 13:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 
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| 13:26, 2nd April 2020 (UTC)
 
| 2020-04-02 13:26:04: Fatal exception of type DBQueryError
 
| Pressed the edit box on the wiki sandbox. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:31, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 
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| Sometime around 22:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 
| "MediaWiki internal error. Exception caught inside exception handler. [...]"
 
| Clicked on the Recent Changes link on the sidebar, [https://cubeupload.com/im/bigpuppy/ScratchWikiErrorRC.png screenshot here]<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 22:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 
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| 22:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 
| "MediaWiki internal error. Original exception: [...]"
 
| Was accepting an account, [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331669762121924608/695401315022536714/unknown.png screenshot here] <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 22:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 
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| 18:43, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 
| "Forbidden
 
 
 
You don't have permission to access this resource.
 
 
 
Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
 
"
 
| Whenever you put a template (e.g. <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>) in the search bar and press enter. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 18:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 
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| 22:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 
| 503 Service Unavailable
 
| Was patrolling Recent Changes, [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/704464708488658995/unknown.png screenshot here] <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 
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| 12:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
| Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
 
| Pressed the Recent Changes link in Navigation. [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710107723806801985/710107795734921247/Screenshot_2020-05-13-15-25-09-88.png Screenshot here]<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 12:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
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| 20:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 
| IP ban on three 403s in a short space of time
 
| Perform an action that the server deems to be unacceptable (such as using the search box for queries like <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> and repeat three times. The server will IP ban you, since those 403s appear to be a warning. IP bans typically last a day, and I don't think there is a fix for this, but I'm logging it anyway. Anyone can edit this message to further explain the IP banning, however. Further information may in future help track down our issue and potentially resolve it.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 
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|2 May 2020
 
|Page content does not update
 
|I was creating [[Language Tutorials/C/HelloWorldExampleProgram]], and when I clicked "Show Preview" the contents I had entered before got shown on both the preview and the editing area! I lost all my work due to that. An important note is that I was on a mobile.<scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 12:55, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 
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|20.05, 10 June 2020 (TSI)
 
|403 Forbidden Error
 
|I tried to send a welcome message to an user's talk page with my [[User:Ahmetlii/Welcome Sender|Welcome Sender]], hit the button and got an error message. Link is [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=%3Ccenter%3E%3Cdiv+style%3D%22color%3Agold%3B+background-color%3Awhite%3B+text-align%3Acenter%3B+border%3A+10px+solid+%234d97ff%3B+width%3A+90%25%3B+height%3Aauto%3B+padding%3A10px%3B+border-radius%3A50px%3B+moz-border-radius%3A+50px%3B+webkit-border-radius%3A+50px%22%3E+Welcome+to+the+Scratch+Wiki%21+I%27m+ahmetlii%21+You+can+find+me+at+%5B%5Busers%3Aahmetlii%7Chere+in+Scratch%5D%5D.+Also%2C+my+user+page+can+find+at+%5B%5BUser%3AAhmetlii%7Chere.%5D%5D+If+you+have+a+question%2C+%5B%5BUser+talk%3AAhmetlii%7Cyou+can+send+a+message+to+me.%5D%5D+Also%2C+you+can+ask+to+all+the+Wiki+users+and+admins+in+their+talk+pages+or+in+the+Community+Portal.&editintro=&summary=&nosummary=&prefix=&minor=&section=new&title=User+talk%3AMintlush-&create=Welcome+a+user here.]{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 17:11, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 
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|22.02, 16 June 2020 (TSI)
 
|Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
 
|I was in [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?title=Scratch_Trends&diff=prev&oldid=250255 here].{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 
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:Could we have a dedicated page to that?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 
::Nah, just here is fine.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:::{{not done}} <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 20:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 
::::If it comes to the point of like many bugs, maybe we can make a page so that it is easier to navigate with. <small>(archives)</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Not too many right now.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::{{not done|Never done!}} Server faults will always come. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Can we just keep things to UTC for the sake of simplicity?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}
 
It's hard to convert times off the top of one's head - if you really want to know the time in your own timezone, convert it yourself, don't ask the logger to do extra work.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 
:Do we not have [[Scratch_Wiki:Known_Bugs|this?]]{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)20:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::Known bugs is for the php bugs (mw bugs). This is for the server fault (connection problems).
 
::Did you not get notified by ken's siggy warner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Known Bugs is for bugs that are consistently reproducible (actual bugs); this is for faults that occur, sometimes randomly, that are not reproducible or only happen once (glitches).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::There are kinda a lot of faults now, I believe we should create another page for it. <br/>{{User:VFDan/Sig}} 16:08, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::I mean, we could always just add /Server_Faults as the path and switch this there. It wouldn't be that big of a hassle, you can just copy and paste it. And there are more and more coming anyways, so it's not oing to be too long before it gets very long.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 10:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::This is so long that it's now a hassle for scrolling through CP. I think we should definitely create another page for it; maybe link to it from the CP? {{User:VFDan/Sig}}
 
{{outdent|6}}I agree with VFDan. We could also just collapse it, although that would not stop it from making the CP loading time longer.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:07, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:I collapsed it; I still agree with making a separate page though. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 22:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== List of deleted pages ==
 
{{not done}}
 
 
 
(Brought up here after discussion [[User talk:Jammum#About your Deleted Pages page|here]].)
 
 
 
So, there are currently four lists of deleted pages on this wiki:
 
* [[User:Mathfreak231/Deleted pages recovery|Mathfreak231's]], which is the most comprehensive but is no longer updated in his absence
 
* [[User:kenny2scratch/Deleted pages recovery|Mine]], which is a duplicate of Mathfreak's but hopefully more organized
 
* [[User:Jammum/Deleted Pages|Jammum's Deleted Pages]], which are more recent than either of the above
 
* [[User:Jammum/All Pages That Have Been Deleted|Jammum's All Deleted Pages]], which seems to be more recent and extensive but has the least information (it's only a list of titles)
 
 
 
I suggest (from jakel181's idea) that these become a single page in projectspace, something like "Scratch Wiki:Deleted Pages". This could be a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]].
 
 
 
;Advantages
 
* More organized
 
* One place for all
 
* Can be updated by anyone
 
 
 
;Disadvantages
 
:''None I can think of off the top of my head''
 
 
 
Thoughts? Shall we do it?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
:I think we should! I like the style yours is in, snice it is more oragized, and a bit easier to find pages, so we should base the page off that.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::+1 :) {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 13:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::: Just to remind everyone, I have not finished my "All Deleted Pages" page at the time of posting this message. It will be contributed to frequently. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 14:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::::To Kenny2Scratch: This will be a great idea, as it will make it more accessible to people. If this get made, maybe put it could be put in the "Navigation" box on the side?  <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::::: I think the page will not be notable enough to go there. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 07:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::I don't think it goes in the sidebar, it's not that important; however, come to think of it, this is a nice candidate for a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]]. Thinkest you that this is a suitable mission to embark upon?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}I say aye.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 01:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:@Kenny2scratch, let's do that!{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:: Are we going to do this? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Okay, I just created a page called [[User:TenType/Deleted Files]], was scrolling through the Community Portal, and found this discussion. {{e|:/}} <br/> Maybe this page could contain pages only and not files? (I really spent a lot of time and effort onto my deleted files page) Anyways, still waiting for a response on whether or not this project will be started. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Why not? It sounds like a great idea; let's get started. How do you guys find deleted pages anyway (just wondering)? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 15:00, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Why hasn't this happened yet? :P <br/>{{User:VFDan/Sig}} 16:15, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't know, VFDan. It's a good idea, and I would love to see this on the wiki. <scratchsig>Ew10528</scratchsig> 11:55, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Welcome templates ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
A lot of people have their own "welcome" templates that they post on new users' talk pages. This is a great idea, because new users can get to know new people and, of course, feel welcomed. However, the welcoming effect starts diminishing when things like this happen:
 
 
 
[[File:That's a lot of welcomes.PNG]]
 
 
 
10 different people jumping on the new user is too much - it's not welcoming, it's downright scary! How would you feel if you created an account somewhere and you were confronted with a wall of "welcome"s?
 
 
 
To counteract this, I don't propose forbidding welcomes entirely; what I instead think should be the case is that we have a limit on how many welcome messages can be on a talk page - probably around 4-5 at the most. That does mean it turns into a race as to who can get their message on first, but that can't be helped - if you want to get your message in, ya gotta be active at the right time.
 
 
 
I don't think there's much room for debate on the necessity of the limit, but what can be bargained is the limit itself - how many topics do you think is too many?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
:I think that a limit of 4-5 is a great idea {{E|:)}} I still remember when I started the messages really confused me. Also, I'd say that if you post a welcome message, it should have a variation of the simple title "Welcome!". I tried to make mine a bit different. I like the "All aboard!" one. Maybe we could say if there are more than eight messages already, really don't put one, but if there are 4-5 try not to put your template, but a personal message is okay.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 21:06, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
::I see this level of enthusiasm as very exciting. While it may be a little intimidating, I look at it more as a great way to integrate yourself with the community immediately and meeting many of the people who you will be working with side-by-side. Nonetheless, I would love to see more data on this and interview some people on their experiences regarding this to see if it does have a negative impact. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::As we are bargaining for this, I was just wondering what we'll be doing now. Should we be limiting welcomes now? Or do we continue welcoming as much as we can {{e|:D}}? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::While the rule is still merely proposed, it is not yet a rule. Welcomes are unlimited until this is put in force.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::[[User talk:StampDanFan|It has happened again...]]{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 20:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}
 
maybe a way to avoid this is to make the section named a bit different?? <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:Can't we make a User_talk:ACCEPTEDUSER/Welcomes page?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::That doesn't actually cause a ping tho...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::We could make it ping though if there is someone willing to mess with the code...{{User:Smileycreations15/sig}} 11:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I was just scrolling through the CP, and this caught my eye. Great idea, I definitely think this needs to be considered. I understand that people are just trying to be kind by sending the welcome messages, but it would almost be like a horror film for the person who owns the account. I think 4-5 welcome templates are enough, but I think there needs to be a break between even those. Getting 4-5 welcomes in a couple of seconds is also not the best of ideas.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:55, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::We should ask new users for their opinion on this right after they get the welcomes. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:06, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::I think 4-5 is a good limit. I personally liked getting welcomes, but I only got 3 of them. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 14:49, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::I'm a fairly new user, and I got 4 welcomes.  It seemed fine for me, so I agree that 4-5 sounds like a good limit. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 01:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|7}}How about one or two users post a template, or we just use the automatic one at the top, and then people below can put encouraging words (not large templates) followed by a sig? This would not be too much for the user, but still shows lots of people are there to support them!{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:: Maybe we can create a welcome template, and a bot automatically adds it for every new user.  Any user edit it (just like an article). Maybe there could be in it for all the users that contributed.
 
:: {{#ifeq:|nobr|<br/>|}}[[File:VFDan.png|20px|link=User:VFDan]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=VFDan}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border: 2px solid cyan; border-radius:1px 0 0 10px">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;border-radius:0px 10px 1px 0px">{{nbsp}}<span class="plainlinks">{{User:12944qwerty/CPL|link=https://scratch.mit.edu/users/VFDan|text=On Scratch&nbsp;|color:orange;font-weight:bold}}</span></span>  19:21, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:::[[S:GOODSIG|Please fix your signature!]]
 
:::No, the point of each user having their own welcome template is for them to be specific to the user welcoming - a different message for each one. If they just wanted to add their name to a stock welcome they could reply to the {{t|welcome}} message added by default. However, 10 users posting personalized welcomes is a lot of different welcomes to read - which is why it needs limiting.
 
:::Seems like 4-5 is the limit we've agreed on; for the sake of looseness, '''the limit is now 5 welcome messages at most on any new user's talk page''' (not including the {{t|welcome}} message; does not apply to users created before this decision).
 
:::@Nambaseking01: Limiting the rate of welcomes is a separate topic that should be proposed separately.
 
:::This topic is now {{done|[[S:USERSPACE#User talk pages|Done]]}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Block Problems ==
 
{{Not done|Not done, as blocks are still unfinished or broken}}<br />
 
Today I started to finish up the script for [[How to Evaluate an Expression]], and things got out of hand. When I first completed it, I realized I did some of the block loops wrong, and it like wrapped around some things that I didn't want to wrap around, while I also couldn't get this one if then else block to wrap around something else {{-}} it was all a mess. I cleaned some of it up, but I am afraid I'll make it worse and I already spent more than an hour on it. Also, I have to save it each time I want to check if it is correct, since for some reason the blocks won't load up in ''Show preview'' mode (it appears in code) but loads when the changes are saved. Can somebody please fix up the script to match the one in post #19 in [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/292813/ this forum topic]? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:The blocks still don't match the one in the post, I tried again on my sandbox and it still does not cut out. Anyone who is an expert at doing this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::You can use [https://scratchblocks.github.io this page].<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 07:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Curse Garamol56 for not using forum scratchblocks!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::@Ahmetlii That website may come in handy...
 
::::@kenny2scratch Yes, it is so exhausting to convert it into proper scratchblocks! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Wait, is it possible to convert forum scratchblocks to wiki scratchblocks???? {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 03:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::    <code><nowiki><scratchblocks>define scratch</scratchblocks></nowiki></code>
 
It will give:
 
<scratchblocks>define scratch</scratchblocks>
 
See also: [[Block Plugin]]<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 20:30, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== New Featured Images ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
Hey! Soon, on August 12th, it'll have been a month since we updated the Featured Images yet. This time, I don't want to do them late like I have in the past, so does anyone have any suggestions? {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:A photo of somewhere tropical. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::I don't understand - is this a joke (if it isn't, I'm not trying to offend; simply trying to understand)? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::It is. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 13:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::: The _:))_ emoji. Looks nice and funny.<scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:23, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::You mean literally feature the {{e|:)}} picture? I guess that works LOL
 
:::::I'd suggest [[:File:Statistic Rollover Info.png]] because it looks cool and has a random interesting piece of info :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:42, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::It's been August 12th, does that mean this discussion is now for the next featured image change? Or can this be archived?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Giving Credit on the Wiki ==
 
 
 
{{done}}
 
I think that we should make a template for credit like this: {{User:Scratch-Coding/credit|Scratch-Coding |template}}. It would be helpful. We could use the remix button image instead of the one I have. {{User:Scratch-Coding/Signature}} 00:09, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:When and where will it be used? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 01:05, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::What would you use this for, and why? The wiki is a collaboration and we all own a part of it. No one owns a article unless they created it on there userspace where they can so whatever they want with it.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 01:13, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Templates are mainly created for mainspace Wiki articles {{-}} when and why would this be needed? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:58, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::It would be used on userspaces, giving credit for a image, and giving credit for an example. <scratchsig>Scratch-Coding</scratchsig> 17:44, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::You can use it on your userspace but I don't think it's necessary. Btw: What did you do to your signature? It's broken.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 20:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::This wouldn't be that beneficial to the Wiki, especially if it is mostly used on userspace. I still disagree. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent | 6}} Who would use it? <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, I don't think this is necessary. If you need to credit someone you don't need a template. Furthermore, you wouldn't need to credit anyone on mainspace, this is collaborative and we don't get/need credit for what we write here.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 15:26, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::Giving credit is not needed in mainspace and can be done manually:<br>
 
[[File:remix notice 3.0.png|100px]] Credit to [[User:Scratch-Coding|Scratch-Coding]] for this template.{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 23:41, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Let's go ahead and consider this {{done}}.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 17:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 
  
 
== Tinkercad Codeblocks ==
 
== Tinkercad Codeblocks ==
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:::I agree that we should make one on Blockly. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::I agree that we should make one on Blockly. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::{{not done|Further discussion needed}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 
::::{{not done|Further discussion needed}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 
== What happened to link previews? ==
 
 
{{done}} They don't seem to be showing up for me at all anymore. Anybody else?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 02:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:Same here. Did someone turn it off? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::Also not getting previews (or at least when I tried it on [[Image Hosting]], linked above). I'll ping jvvg (since he was the one who enabled them).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Any reply from jvvg yet?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Have you found any information on this yet, anybody?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 23:22, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::It works again for me now! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:49, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::Works for me too!{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 23:09, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}{{cool|Same}} I guess this is {{done}} now, then? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:55, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:Yes, it has begun working for me again :) Updated.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 04:24, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 
  
 
==Scratch program image==
 
==Scratch program image==
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:::::I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at [[User:Bigpuppy/Quests]]. {{e|:)}} It seems like this would be very different than that, though. {{cool|Good idea}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at [[User:Bigpuppy/Quests]]. {{e|:)}} It seems like this would be very different than that, though. {{cool|Good idea}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|5}}That's super cool that you made a quests page.  This will be semi-similar.  Feel free to stop by if you have any ideas for it. <small>''wink wink''</small><scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|5}}That's super cool that you made a quests page.  This will be semi-similar.  Feel free to stop by if you have any ideas for it. <small>''wink wink''</small><scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 
+
We could make a scratch project and link it when people get welcome notficiations on their talk page.
== Moving Plural page titles to singular ==
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<scratchsig>ACS_Scratch_admin</scratchsig> 14:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
{{ done}}
 
On the wiki, there are many page titles like "Blocks" and "Numbers". This makes it confusing to users and editors, as well as links. "<nowiki>[[Block]]s</nowiki> makes a link to singular that appears plural, but there is no equivalent for singular-appearing plural-leading links.
 
 
 
This is a big change in the Wiki, so further discussion will be needed to manage the moves.{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 00:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:Could we start a Scratch Wiki Project? I  definitely think we should keep the pages consistently singular. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 02:05, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:: Singular page titles would seem strange, since the plural describes a general thing, there is not only one. Also, I fixed a spelling mistake. {{unsigned|Congyingzhou}}
 
:::Many page titles cannot be made into plural form. Having both plural and singular forms is confusing and creates other problems. Singular page titles are also easier to work with, as I said in my first post. Also, remember to not change other users' posts without permission.
 
:::Should I put {{t|move}} on the plural pages?{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 00:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::::I'll put the template on as soon as possible (on the bottom){{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 03:44, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Next time, don't add {{t|move}} to all of them; either move them all right away or wait. It makes a bunch of edits in Recent Changes which will all need to be undone when the final decision is decided. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:02, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::So should we move them or not, and how will we do it? We will also need to fix many links and redirects.{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 00:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::Or should we just mark the pages and get a bot to move the, fix all the redirects and links, and change any other issues?{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}}
 
{{outdent|7}}
 
So should we move any of this pages? It's been over 2 months now. {{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 21:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:I guess it depends on context  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 21:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 
  
 
== 2.0 Image Updating ==
 
== 2.0 Image Updating ==
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:I've asked an admin to update the TOC image.  Not sure about the other ones. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 16:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:I've asked an admin to update the TOC image.  Not sure about the other ones. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 16:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::There's not a set time when this will be done. It will be done gradually. Any time you see an image that needs updated, feel free to update it (but be sure to compress, crop, etc. the file).{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::There's not a set time when this will be done. It will be done gradually. Any time you see an image that needs updated, feel free to update it (but be sure to compress, crop, etc. the file).{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 
== Thankful Thursday! January 30{{th}}, 2020 ==
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 025}}
 
 
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
 
 
The next TT is February 27{{th}}. See you then!
 
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 
  
 
== Why won’t this table work? ==
 
== Why won’t this table work? ==
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Link: [[User:Waffle_Iron_Studios/ScratchNet shop page]]<scratchsig>Waffle_Iron_Studios</scratchsig> 21:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 
Link: [[User:Waffle_Iron_Studios/ScratchNet shop page]]<scratchsig>Waffle_Iron_Studios</scratchsig> 21:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 
: I think it's because the table does not have any line-breaks. See [[Help:Tables|this]]. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 
: I think it's because the table does not have any line-breaks. See [[Help:Tables|this]]. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 
== Thankful Thursday! February 27{{th}}, 2020 ==
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 026}}
 
 
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
 
 
The next TT is March 26{{th}}. See you then!
 
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 18:02, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 18:02, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== New Featured Images ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
Does anyone have suggestions for new featured images after these ones have run their course? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:52, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:We should really have a better system for suggesting featured images... {{e|;)}} (see [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]])<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:49, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::I agree. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 13:32, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::What does everyone think about this one?
 
:::[[File:Animate a name tutorial.png|150px]]<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:12, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::::+1, that image looks good. I'm quite partial to this one:
 
::::[[File:MakeItFlyTutorialTipsPage.PNG|200px]]
 
::::I also like the look of this image of the ST:
 
::::[[File:Scratch-team.jpg|300px]]
 
::::How does everyone feel about these?{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 21:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::<small>lol did you see my message to RC stalkers</small>
 
:::::I like those - I don't necessarily think we should have two "ST Tips" images though, so I think we should choose one more.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:42, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::How about this one?
 
::::::[[File:Sig Change.png|170px]]<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}<small>yes I did :P</small>
 
 
+1 to that image highlighting the signature. This should be useful to answer all the forum questions about signatures!
 
 
I think we'll go with the two images that you've suggested and the one of the ST. Can we get an admin to update this please? :){{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 22:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{done}}. Does it look okay?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 22:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::Yep - looks great!{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 08:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== IWB Interwiki Check ==
 
 
Hello everyone. It's been awhile since IWB has scanned the wikis for interwikis to add, and now is probably a good time to do that!
 
 
Below you'll find a list of proposed edits from the bot. It would be helpful if a few people could look at some proposed edits and double check them for errors:
 
 
[[User:InterwikiBot/Proposed_Edits]]
 
 
Several issues have already been discovered:
 
 
* Not properly handling empty interwikis, ex <nowiki>en:</nowiki>, see the ja homepage
 
* test -> tw
 
* The bot is proposing adding interwikis to other pages when they already have an interwiki for that language
 
* Help:Namespaces has a flat out wrong interwiki suggestion
 
 
This might take another round or two to remove perviously undiscovered bugs, but with the wikis growing more complex, it's important to get them now. Thank you <scratchsig>ErnieParke</scratchsig> 01:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== Advertising article ==
 
 
We really need to overhaul [[Dexter_Industries_GoPiGo_For_Raspberry_Pi|this article]]. A lot of it is just advertising the product. For example, do we really need a "Buying" section? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 23:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:[[Scratch Bit]] has also a buying section. But the entire page is just an ad. <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 08:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 
::I've moved the GoPiGo article to the creator's userspace (which has precedent - see the last topic on [[User talk:DexterInd]]) and removed the categories & advertisement notes.
 
::Scratch Bit is an official Scratch product and must be documented. It stays.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== Sonic the Hedgehog ==
 
 
Right now the wiki is saturated with Sonic the Hedgehog stuff, specially the AF pages. Lots of example of stuff are Sonic stuff. The entire wiki feels like an indirect Sonic ad. We should change a lot of this examples. <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 11:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:Other than April Fools pages, could you give a few examples? <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 13:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 
::Just wiki search Sonic or Hedgehog. Also a lot of examples are by PrincessPandaLover and need to be changed int more generic stuff. <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 14:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:::If I'm not mistaken, the Sonic stuff is limited to only AF pages. It's fine to gradually phase AF pages away from Sonic content while making other edits to the pages, but don't go mass editing out Sonic stuff. (Do note that I don't really see a problem with a Sonic theme in AF pages lol){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 
::::I agree. PrincessPandaLover has always been an excellent editor - they enjoyed to utilize the Sonic theme within their edits. {{smile}} {{done}} <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:10, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 
  
 
== Suggestion: Mention that the Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in German ==
 
== Suggestion: Mention that the Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in German ==
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Having a notice at the top of the actual pages saying something similar to what I say on my userpage (the "many other wikis link here" thing), ideally translated into everything, would also be fine for me - I'm only opposed to changing the footer.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 
Having a notice at the top of the actual pages saying something similar to what I say on my userpage (the "many other wikis link here" thing), ideally translated into everything, would also be fine for me - I'm only opposed to changing the footer.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 
== Updating Translators page ==
 
 
The Scratch Team is no longer actively maintaining the translators page https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Translators
 
 
I'd like to remove the Scratch Team only badge and allow folks from the translation community to update the page. Ideally there would be just one or two people per language that would keep things up to date for their language.
 
 
Would there be a different process for translators to join as a wiki editor? Are there different suggestions for having the translators page managed by the community?
 
 
Thanks,
 
--Chris
 
{{unsigned|Chrisg}}
 
:Ok! I'll remove the banner at the top of the page for you. As for the translation community updating the page, we can not allow a different application processes for translators joining the wiki, though they are welcome to follow the current application processes and join the wiki that way. Also if they chose not to join they can always leave a post on the [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/294197/ Community Portal in the forums] with what should be updated and one of our editors will happily make the change. Please let us know if there is anything else we can do. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 
::How will you let all the translators know they can use the Scratch CP, or join the Wiki for editing the page?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 15:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::The translators have internal commmunication mechanisms including email blasts via transifex or messages in slack. I believe that Chris can easily relay the message to the translators if necessary. {{done}} <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:09, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== Turbo Mode ==
 
 
{{done}}
 
 
[[Single Stepping|This article]] is very outdated, I believe we should create an article on Turbo Mode itself. <br/>{{User:VFDan/Sig}} 22:16, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:I agree - there is an article about [[Detecting Turbo Mode]], but there doesn't seem to be one about Turbo Mode, as [[Turbo Mode]] just redirects to that article. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:15, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::The problem seems to be fixed as there is now a template saying it is from a historical perspective. <scratchsig>OurPrincess</scratchsig> 18:06, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::There is - however, I don't believe that is the problem here. I think the problem VFDan is referring to is that there is not an article about Turbo Mode.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::::That is what I am referring to; I believe we should create an article about Scratch 3.0's Turbo Mode <br/>{{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:19, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::You could create an article entitled "Turbo Mode (3.0)" and redirect Turbo Mode to that page instead of to the historical page. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 13:30, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::Created the [[Turbo Mode (3.0)|page]], and changed the [[Turbo Mode|redirect]]. However the page is in dire need of expansion. <br/>{{User:VFDan/Sig}} 17:18, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::Marked as {{done}} however the article still needs expansion {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 19:07, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== How to make a quiz ==
 
 
[big] What Is A Quiz? [/big]
 
{{unsigned|Cs1760724}}
 
:This isn’t the purpose of the Community Portal. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:17, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::I was actually just about to make a tutorial for that. What a coincidence~! {{smile}} <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 13:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::: [[Creating a Quiz]] already exists. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::::I've redirected [[How to Make a Quiz]] to [[Creating a Quiz]]. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Hi, please don't make topics on Scratch-related topics on the Scratch Wiki! For that, you can go to the Scratch "Help with Scripts" or "Questions about Scratch" forums: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/7/ https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/4/<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 15:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::@Jammum I meant on my website :) (it's been created). I'm going to call this topic {{done}} <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== WikiMonitor is hurting me ==
 
{{Done}}
 
 
Wow, so I just added the <nowiki>{{Done}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki> templates before the title of a message, and I signed my message under it. The only thing is, I accidentally forgot to add the done thing, so I had to edit my post and put that there. That message was from Wikibot. And ''then'', when I did that, I got another message from WikiMonitor saying that I didn't sign the post meanwhile I'd just added the templates to the title.
 
 
Now, maybe this sounds very stupid, but I'm pretty sure I've done this before and WikiMonitor didn't come at me like that. What's going on?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 15:37, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:The problem is that you forgot to sign the edit where you added {{t|done}}, which caused WikiMonitor to message you. I've left a tip on your talk page <small>(wow you already responded to it)</small> <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:20, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:: I am a fast clicker when it comes to messages on the SW (I feel strangely lonely here XD)<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Well, I guess this is {{Done}} now.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 12:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== Lancer PFP trend ==
 
 
In the last few days, a PFP trend about Lancer from Deltarune has been on many Scratcher's PFPs. They normally replace the eyes and mouth of their face to Lancer's eyes and mouth. @-BoyMcBoy- was the first popular Scratcher to do it, and he got the face from @MusicManJoe. Is this notable enough to add to the Scratch Trends page?
 
 
<scratchsig>PaddlerGames</scratchsig> 12:14, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:I have not seen this trend at all on Scratch.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:56, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 
::Neither have I{{User:VFDan/Sig}} 17:07, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:::I have not personally seen it myself, although I can confirm that it does appear to be a trend. I have seen and responded to almost a dozen or more forum topics asking about this trend.{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 19:15, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 
  
 
== Scratch Wiki YT Channel ==  
 
== Scratch Wiki YT Channel ==  
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::::I'm interested! But... What do you mean by "volunteer yourself for content creation"? Is there a specific page to apply? {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}}
 
::::I'm interested! But... What do you mean by "volunteer yourself for content creation"? Is there a specific page to apply? {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}}
 
:::::I'm interested too {{-}} I'd like to help make a few videos. I already have a YouTube channel but I can't share it because of my real name and face reveal. I'm just ten years, but I don't think that will affect anything as I enjoy talking on-camera and a lot of people tell me I have a talent for vlogging / gaming (not to brag though). I also have a Scratch tutorial series, so I already have some experience with it.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::I'm interested too {{-}} I'd like to help make a few videos. I already have a YouTube channel but I can't share it because of my real name and face reveal. I'm just ten years, but I don't think that will affect anything as I enjoy talking on-camera and a lot of people tell me I have a talent for vlogging / gaming (not to brag though). I also have a Scratch tutorial series, so I already have some experience with it.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 
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::::::I am interested, too! I have a channel already. How do I start? <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 19:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
== Scratch Links ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
Maybe we can add a new brackets thing for Scratch Links. For example: <code><nowiki>[[Scratch/User:Example]]</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>[[Scratch/Project:Example]]</nowiki></code>. For other links, we could just do <code><nowiki>[[Scratch:{stuff after scratch.mit.edu/}]]</nowiki></code>. Thoughts? {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 23:30, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:My reasoning for this is that it looks much better if it looked like an internal link instead of an external link. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 17:15, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 
:: That sounds like a good idea! <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 20:01, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::"Scratch/Project:" is too long of a prefix IMO and also they shouldn't have caps. I've been considering adding <code>project:</code> and <code>studio:</code> - is there any other type of thing on Scratch that gets linked to often?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 00:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::: Well we already have Discussion Forums, possibly <code>user:</code>? I don't know how often this would be linked to though. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 14:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC){{outdent|4}}
 
 
 
I created a template for Scratch links [[Template:Scratch|in here]] and it worked. Everybody can use it with this code:<code><nowiki>{{scratch|write there your link code(when you write studios and projects' code, don't use their names)|write in there why are you using it:user,studio,project}}</nowiki></code><scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 20:20, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:Ahmetlii, please correct me if I'm wrong, but your template still seems to produce external links. VFDan is suggesting a system that would produce internal links. I've re-marked this section as {{not done}}.
 
:<small>Also, a template-related thing: you put <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> tags around the <nowiki>{{/doc}}</nowiki>, but they should have been <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> tags, because you don't want to include the doc in the template. Overall though, nice template! {{e|:)}}</small><br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::(I've fixed the <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> error)<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:41, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Thanks for edits Bigpuppy. I saw your edits and my mistake. My template is still a temporary solution because it's pretty new template and including problems. I will remove external links as soon as possible.<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 21:06, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::: EWs or above can just set up [[Help:Interwiki|Interwiki]] to do links to projects, users, and studios. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::A quick correction - it looks like [[Special:ListGroupRights|only bureaucrats]] can edit Interwiki data.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::<code>user:</code> won't work - that conflicts with the User: namespace. I've added <code>project:</code> and <code>studio:</code> now, though. We'll need to figure out an alternative for linking to Scratch users - maybe <code>users:</code>?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:47, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}What about <code>profile:</code>?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:^^^ <code>profile:</code> should work. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:17, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::Yea <code>profile:</code> seems good. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 15:24, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Alright, {{done}}! I've also added a general-purpose <code>scratch:</code> whose argument is just the path after the slash - <code><nowiki>[[scratch:conference]]</nowiki></code> produces [[scratch:conference]].{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Thanks! This will be really helpful for editors! {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 16:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Added it to [[S:STYLE]], at [[Scratch Wiki:Style Guide#internal-scratch-links|internal-scratch-links]]. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 23:04, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:::::}}
 
TenType pointed out something very relevant - [[Project:104]] links to [[Scratch Wiki:104]]! I'd forgotten about this - "project" is a namespace alias for whatever the meta-namespace is. I've renamed <code>project:</code> to <code>projects:</code> to get around this; and for consistency, <code>studio:</code> is now <code>studios:</code> and <code>profile</code> is now <code>users:</code> (the last one because "users" isn't a namespace while "user" is). The <code>scratch:</code> prefix remains unchanged. FYI!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{cool}} Thanks, TenType and Ken.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Thankful Thursday! April 30{{th}}, 2020 ==
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 027}}
 
 
 
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
 
 
 
The next TT is May 28{{th}}. See you then!
 
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 14:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 14:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::I don't know if MakeTheBrainHappy wants to fix this, but It says "...brings '''there''' own ideas" where it should say "...brings '''their''' own ideas" :P{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 18:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Can someone please help ==
 
 
 
Can someone protect [[User talk:Dilek10/Archive 1|this talk page archive]]? {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 11:29, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{done}} - in the future please place such requests on [[S:CPSYS]].{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 12:01, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::Thanks, and alright! {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 11:29, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Scratch +  the Project to Find the Fundamental Theory of Physics by Stephen Wolfram==
 
Hi everyone! I've been asked to give you a heads up about an excellent program over on the DE Wiki: [https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Scratch-Wiki:Scratch_Club Scratch Club]. I've been a few times (and would love to attend more) and the discussions relate both the Wiki and fascinating technology. The meetings are for international audiences as well with English as a standardized language. Here is a little sneak peak as to what they will be discussing at the next meeting taking place on May 20th, 2020 at *6:30 G.M.T - 8:30 C.E.S.T (Germany)*.
 
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* Offtopic: https://youtu.be/60P7717-XOQ (Stephen Wolfram: Computing a Theory of Everything) - This month Stephen Wolfram presented a breakthrough in his thoughts concerning the creation of an entirely new model of the world based on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automata_theory Automata Theory]. He thereby wishes to better explain the laws concerning space, time, energy and matter in a clearer light than previous models. In this manner he is one step closer to achieving his life goal which he presented in the TED-talk linked above ten years ago. Here is his presentation from 4/14/2020 in which he explains his theories as well as he can and affords all interested listeners an opportunity to share his joy in the solution. If his theory is correct, it may be a breakthrough as great as that of Newton and Einstein. Fascinating! https://youtu.be/rbfFt2uNEyQ (Wolfram Physics Project Launch: 14. April 2020)
 
* The topic above isn't *offtopic* at all but a great idea for us! Who will find the Scratch program that best interprets "Rule 30"? Or who will program it? Who will write a Scratch Wiki article for it that is of such quality that it will be in Wiki Wednesday for both the English and German Wikis at the same time? *This must become a theme within the Scratch community* Why? It is the best example for Scratch's motto: "low floor high ceiling." Every student can appreciate "Rule 30" and even program it, but the implications point to a "Theory of Everything."
 
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_30 (EN)
 
** https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regel_30 (DE)
 
** https://youtu.be/VguG_y05Xe8 (Cellular Automata and Rule 30 (Stephen Wolfram)  AI Podcast Clips)
 
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton
 
** [https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Conways_Spiel_des_Lebens Conway's Game of Life] (Artikel here with the most relevance - DE only)
 
** https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/388985821/ (the first Scratch project I discovered)
 
** What Stephen Wolfram has discovered now after fifty years of research efforts and the subject of his new book being published at the end of May is a setup for Cellular Automata with which you can model everything from particle physics to cosmology... but now we are desperately looking for the "correct rule." This would be an analogy to the previous "Rule 30" that inspired Stephen's interest to study this new field of science: "the complexity theory."
 
** Here Stephen Wolfram explains why he decided to make his quest (essentially the search for a new Rule 30 that explains what holds the world together) a public project: https://youtu.be/DwjAVp0ig9g (Wolfram Physics Project: Why we Chose to do Science in the Open with Q&A on the Backstory)
 
** Book Recommendation 1: „ Stephen Wolfram - 2020 - A Project to Find the Fundamental Theory of Physics“ - Das Buch will be published at the end of May https://www.amazon.de/dp/1579550355/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_NkRQEb52WCN8C
 
** Book Recommendation 2: „Stephen Wolfram - 2016 - A New Kind of Science (English Edition“ (Ein 10 cm thick doorstopper (very thick book), that has so many pictures it is a sight to behold even for those without perfect English reading comprehension) https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B01N1I83V8/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=&sr=
 
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton - Reference: „Wolfram has conjectured that many class 4 cellular automata, if not all, are capable of universal computation. This has been proven for Rule 110 and Conway's Game of Life.“
 
** https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zellul%C3%A4rer_Automat - within this article it discusses “Wolframs one-dimensional Universe“ (+ Rule 110)
 
** https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=E8kUJL04ELA&list=PLt5AfwLFPxWIL8XA1npoNAHseS-j1y-7V (Playlist - John Conway on Numberphile including „ Does John Conway hate his Game of Life?“ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Horton_Conway - John Horton Conway (* 26. Dezember 1937 in Liverpool, United Kingdom; '''† 11. April 2020''' in New Brunswick, New Jersey, United States) was a British mathematician.
 
* Determine the "Scratch Project of the Week"
 
* Suggest Wiki-Wednesday Articles
 
* [https://de.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?title=Vorlage:News&action=edit ggf. Post the News! (DE)]
 
* Go through the latest messages, specifically [https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Spezial:Letzte_%C3%84nderungen], review author task list [https://de.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Scratch-Wiki:Links_f%C3%BCr_Autoren]
 
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I hope that you find these topics interesting yourself and mark down the time to join the meeting! Please let [[User:MartinWollenweber|@MartinWollenweber]] know if you are interested in joining the group where the discussion will take place. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 15:27, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:@Makethebrainhappy: Thank you very much for translating and sharing with the english Scratch Wiki Community! I hope this idea is as interesting to some of you as it is to me. Hope some of you "catch fire" and start their own creative activities. What do you think? {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 15:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::...I keep wanting to join, but I'm afraid I've been struck down once again by the time - 8:30pm CEST = 2:30am HKT ._.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::IMHO it‘s not important, to join the scheduled german Scratch Club Onlinemeeting, but to consider if and how we integrate Stephen Wolframs breakthrough into Scratch and Scratch Wikis activities. {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 04:58, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::'''@Makethebrainhappy:''' Would you mind if we change the subject to " Sratch +  the Project to Find the Fundamental Theory of Physics by Stephen Wolfram" ? It's more about that than about the "Scratch Club Meetings (DE)"... {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 18:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::No, not at all. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 13:39, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::Thanks, [[:de:SC]] will start next week Wednesday 20.5. at 20:30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_European_Time Makethebrainhappy knows how to join (please don't share our Google Hangout Link public!!) {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 15:09, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Revamping and Reviving [[S:CPND]] ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
<small>Yes, I know there are already two topics about this, but this one has a very specific suggestion that can be implemented relatively quickly if people agree.</small>
 
 
 
As you probably know, there's a section of the CP specifically for topics that are not yet done and haven't been done for a while. Users can access it by going to [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done]] or [[S:CPND]], or alternatively via the "Things to Do" link under "For Editors" in the sidebar. The unavoidable fact is that these topics hardly ever get looked at. By anyone.
 
 
 
There have already been two topics created about this issue and how to solve it, [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Not Done doesn't get enough attention|Not Done doesn't get enough attention]] and [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Not Done|Not Done]]. Kenny2scratch introduces his topic (the former one) with "So I was browsing through Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done and realized that all of the discussions had been moved there and left to rot simply because they happened to last longer than an archive period." The unfortunate thing is, this is still happening. And not only that, but ironically, it's happening to both of the topics I linked. Ken's is from February of ''(drumroll, please)'' 2018. I am not about to propose a "cure-all" solution to this problem, but something that ''could help.'' In other words, it definitely won't solve the problem, but it might assist a bit in solving it.
 
 
 
Well, let's get onto the idea already, shall we? I think that when people ''do'' hear about Not Done, and go to it (wanting to contribute to a discussion), they may get frightened by the overwhelming length of some of the topics and leave without contributing to any of them. Therefore, here is my suggestion: we put each ''discussion'' ''(not'' its corresponding header) into an "extended content" box using <nowiki>{{collapse top}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{collapse bottom}}</nowiki>. Then under the header, but ''not in the "extended content" box,'' we add a short, one to three sentence summary of what the OP is saying (and perhaps even more things, like what has been discussed so far). I've created a mockup with two discussions [[User:Bigpuppy/CPND Mockup|here]].
 
 
 
I think that this way, when folks go to [[S:CPND]], they can easily find a discussion they'd like to contribute to (without being scared away quickly). Then, when they find a discussion they're interested in, they can un-collapse the box and read the replies so that they can give their opinion. They won't be scared away because they didn't see ''tons'' of long discussions at the same time, they just saw short suggestions. Then they see ''one'' long discussion after they un-collapse the box — the one they're interested in.
 
 
 
What do you think?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:03, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:+1 :-) {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 15:14, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::I have the same opinion with Bigpuppy, also I have a suggestion: We can archive some of the Not Done topics, because they are not discussed actively and some of them outdated.[[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not_Done#Not Done doesn't get enough attention|It's still a big problem.]]<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 20:09, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Hmm, I like the idea but looking at your mockup I'm not sure how well it'd work in practice. I feel like it might be a better idea to let the OP(ost) of each topic be the summary, and rather collapse away all of the subsequent discussion so that it's easier to scroll past. If the OP(ost) itself is really long, then I suppose a manual summary might be in order, but unless the OP(oster) is inactive then it might be a good idea to let them do the summarizing themselves to best capture the essence of the idea. Does that make sense?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Yeah, I definitely see what you're saying. What defines "really long" though? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Whichever human happens to be making the collapsing edit - there doesn't need to be a boundary, just leave it up to the judgement of whoever is doing the moving :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::'''+1''', the mockup looks great! {{e|:D}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 20:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}To clarify, do you agree with Ken's idea as well, TenType? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:Yes, I think the OP should be part the summary except in situations when its long. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:45, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::<small>that was fast</small>
 
::Okay, thanks for clarifying. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:46, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Alright, since there were no objections, I went ahead and collapsed (almost) all of the discussions on CPND. The two ones I didn't collapse were #custom signatures and #Account Request Notes because they caused the whole page to go into the collapsed box. If anyone can find the issue, feel free to fix it and collapse them. Thank you! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:46, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Pretty much {{done}} other than the above<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Why is the interwiki link for the Test-Scratch Wiki the language code for Twi? ==
 
 
 
The interwiki code for the Test Wiki is 'tw', and the 'in Other Languages' section of the homepage says 'Twi', again with a link to the Test Scratch Wiki.
 
 
 
On it, there is no Test-Wiki for Twi, which seems to be an African language spoken in Ghana. If there is no Test-Wiki for Twi, why does the Interwiki link to the Test-Wiki use its language code? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 09:22, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Actually, I saw it before in Wikipedia's ISO 639-3 language codes list a week ago, and I was going to say that. I think this code designed from  '''T'''est Scratch '''Wi'''ki. However, I think that it's not a big problem for now. <scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 11:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::<code>test</code> is not an inter-''language'' code, so it's impossible to link to (say) the Test wiki CP using <code><nowiki>[[test:Test-Scratch-Wiki talk:Community Portal]]</nowiki></code> the same way we can for real languages. However, <code>tw:</code> happens to be a real language, whose language code is recognized as an inter-language code, whose language code can nicely stand for "test wiki", and whose language name can be repurposed to mean '''t'''est '''wi'''ki. If we ever do have a wiki in the actual Twi language, then things will have to change; but for now, we use "Twi" as a means of treating "test" as an inter-language link rather than inter-wiki.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Featured Image Suggestions? ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
Hey, folks! Does anyone have any suggestions for featured images for the next time we update them? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:22, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:How about this?
 
:[[File:Color adjuster.png]]<br/><scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 20:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::I like that one! How about this one?
 
::[[File:Scratch 3.0 Sound Recorder.png|330px]]
 
::If we ''do'' choose both of these, though, we should choose something not from the editor for the third one. This will provide some variety.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:46, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Didn't the sound recorder picture already get featured? It has the category [[:Category:Featured Articles/Images]]. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::I didn't notice that, lol. I wonder why it doesn't have the {{t|Featured}} template then?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe it was forgotten or something {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:58, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::Well, now it does. {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:02, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}How about this one?<br/>[[File:Welcoming Committee.png]]<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:Looks good! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::Hey, maybe this as well? [[File:Pen_stats_change.png]]{{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 06:34, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::I like that one!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:39, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::{{done|Featured Images updated}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:08, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== What are... ==
 
 
 
...common.js pages for? {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 08:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:[[Special:MyPage/common.js|Your common.js file]] is a {{wp|JavaScript}} file that will run on all pages, no matter what skin you're using - but only for you. It's basically a Wiki-specific alternative to userscripts that MediaWiki supports natively.
 
:[[Special:MyPage/common.css|Your common.css file]] is a {{wp|CSS}} file that likewise applies to all pages you visit on all skins, only for you.
 
:Changing "common" to the name of a skin, e.g. "scratchwikiskin2" will make it only apply to all pages when you are viewing them in that skin.
 
:There are also [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] and [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] files (as well as their skin-specific equivalents) that run on all pages for all users. These can only be edited by admins.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:58, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::Oh, so it's a customizable... Wiki theme, right? {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 13:20, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Not really... it's basically a script in {{wp|JavaScript}} that runs on every page you visit. To "customize" your Wiki theme, it would be easier to do it in [[Special:MyPage/common.css|Your common.css file]] {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 17:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::::That means it can be used for things such as detecting stuff like viruses, right? {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 18:46, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|4}}
 
No because they are applying for this website. Also, every user can customize and every user can add pop-ups, warnings when they logged in but nobody cannot detect viruses with these files. For example, [[fr:Scratch_Wiki_Accueil|there is a pop-up]] made with JavaScript file in right bottom.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
  
 
== Suggestion: Add a "sandbox" option in the user pull-down on the header ==
 
== Suggestion: Add a "sandbox" option in the user pull-down on the header ==
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:Ken, any update on this? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:Ken, any update on this? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== sooo idk if this is off-topic ==
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== Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies ==
  
but lookie here alright I constantly go active and off-topic on the Scratch Wiki depending on my mood, but I still help a lot on the Scratch discussion forums in the meantime. is this an issue?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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When Wiki Wednesdays are mentioned on the Scratch News on the homepage, some users' replies contain spam such as blockspam.
:Why would it be?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 18:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:You are not under any obligation to stay active - if you need to take a break from Wiki editing, do. Edit when you feel like it. We don't block people or anything for being inactive.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 18:33, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Studio Articles ==
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I suggest that at the end of each Wiki Wednesday initial post, it should say that when replying, users should not spam. It could also give the definition of what is considered spam (such as offtopic blocks, gibberish, emoji testing, etc.), so users will less likely be confused about what spam is (other than the food product of the same name), that spam could be reported, and that block testing and project advertisements go in the Forum blocks testing topic and the Show and Tell forum respectively. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 09:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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:It's a good idea - and I agree with you, but I think that's not a exact solution manner. As an example, lots of announcements and sticky topics (Wiki Forum Community Portal) are getting blockspam; some people, like me, TenType, SausageMcSausage or ST, warn them, but I see a new spam everyday when I check Wiki Forum Community Portal. Also, nobody don't write aggressive posts for warn users; for example, don't write "DON'T MAKE BLOCKSPAM OR SOMEBODY MAY WARN YOU(ME OR ANYBODY ELSE)". I think WW could include a link [[topic:387618|to here.]]{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 11:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
  
Hi! I was wondering if people can write articles on studios on the Scratch Wiki. The guidelines say if you are not allowed to advertise users or user-generated content. Does this apply to studios? I don't think it does because a Wikian wrote an article about the Scratch Design Studio. It merely explains what the SDC (Scratch Design Studio) is. So my question is can you write an article about a certain studio? Without advertising it of course, but merely explaining what the studio is and its purpose. I don't think I'll be writing any studio articles anytime soon but an answer would be much appreciated. If you would like to answer me on my talk page the link is [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User_talk:J_Coder26 here] <scratchsig>J_Coder26</scratchsig> 21:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)J_Coder26
 
:Articles about user-generated content (whether projects, studios, or anything else) are not allowed. The Scratch Design Studio is not user-generated content as it was created by the Scratch Team.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:18, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::That said, [[S:NOSP|there are some exceptions]].<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:20, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::What about the Scratch Welcoming Committee? Or is that an exception? <scratchsig>J_Coder26</scratchsig> 21:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)J_Coder26
 
::::The Scratch Welcoming Committee is also an official Scratch Team studio, so it is not user-generated content. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:31, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Really? I didn't know that. I thought it was user generated but had a few ST members as managers. I don't really pay much attention to studios. <scratchsig>J_Coder26</scratchsig> 21:45, 17 May 2020 (UTC)J_Coder26
 
::::::Hi, please remember to indent properly - you can find a guide for indenting on [[S:WELCOME|the Welcome tutorial]] or [[Help:Talk Pages]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:29, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Please help me ==
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== Discussion Invitation System ==
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{{done}}
  
'''Hello''' I am mastercoder4life. I am a new wikian and didn't understand the welcoming pages too well. Could someone please tell me how to insert a link? <scratchsig>Mastercoder4life</scratchsig> 23:37, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hi folks! On the topic of reviving [[S:CPND]], I have another suggestion. My previous suggestion (collapsing discussions) got implemented, but it is a very minor change. As someone who usually updates the featured images, I was thinking about a discussion that I personally would like people to participate in, [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]]. That specific discussion has been going on since August 2018 and it hasn't yet come to a conclusion.
:Hello, Mastercoder4life! Welcome to the Scratch Wiki! {{e|:)}}
 
  
:On the wiki we have two types of links {{-}} '''internal links''' and '''external links.''' You use internal links when you're linking to a page on the Scratch Wiki, Scratch, or Wikipedia. You use external links to link to any other sites.
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I think I've come up with something that may help solve the Not Done problem. Well, I didn't exactly come up with it, because I got the idea from Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:WP:Feedback request service|Feedback request service]]. As I understand it, with Wikipedia's Feedback request service, when a discussion needs an outside editor to provide comment, a bot comments on the talk page of someone who has added their name to the list. I'd like to make it clear: '''my suggestion would not require a bot.''' Wikipedia needs stuff like that because it's giant.
  
:To make an internal link, you use this syntax: <code><nowiki>[[NAME OF PAGE|LINK TEXT, IF APPLICABLE]]</nowiki></code> For example, if you wanted to link to the page about the Scratch Team, you'd do this: <code><nowiki>[[Scratch Team]]</nowiki></code> That would make this: [[Scratch Team]] Or you could do this: <code><nowiki>[[Scratch Team|ST]]</nowiki></code> That would make this: [[Scratch Team|ST]]
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Basically, when a discussion is going stale or needs a few more editors to provide feedback, a proactive editor can comment the Discussion Invitation template (currently at [[User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/Template]]) on a few user talk pages of people who have signed up to be invited to discussions.
  
:You make an external link with this syntax: <code><nowiki>[URL LINKTEXT]</nowiki></code> For example, if you wanted to link to example.com, you could do this: <code><nowiki>[https://example.com/ Example]</nowiki></code> And that would make this: [https://example.com/ Example]
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Here are some examples of when this would be useful:
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* For asking editors to participate in a [[S:CP]] or [[S:CPND]] discussion that has gone inactive or that has a deadline
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* For asking editors their opinion on a discussion on the talk page of an article that only a few people are participating in
  
:For more information, visit [[Help:Links]].
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I think this will help with more than reviving [[S:CPND]], though {{-}} it will help on ''any'' discussion that isn't getting the attention it deserves.
  
:Again, welcome to the Scratch Wiki! We're happy to have you here! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:45, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
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I've decided to start this program up in my userspace, though if people like it maybe it can be moved to project space (the Scratch Wiki namespace). The list of people who have signed up is currently at [[User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/List]] (as of writing, only me). If you'd like to sign up, please do!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
::thanks so much!<scratchsig>Mastercoder4life</scratchsig> 00:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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:I think this is a great idea! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 19:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
:::In the future please indent your replies, one more colon before each reply. I fixed your last comment for you, but in the future please indent. Look at the syntax for this conversation to see what I'm talking about, and for more information see [[Help:Welcome/4#Indenting]]. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:21, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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::It could be a good idea, but I'm not sure that it's really matter. As you said before, Wikipedia is a big place and a lot of discussion creators in [[S:CPND]] is inactive/quitted Scratch. Also, I think a lot of the discussions are not necessary. For example, are you think "Secret Compliments" important today? Also, asqwde has been inactive since 8 months.
::::Hi mastercoder4life. To learn how to link click [[Help:Welcome/2|here]]. Thank you for your contributions to the wiki : ) <scratchsig>J_Coder26</scratchsig> 02:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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::I'm supporting main idea, also it can be helpful for usual stuffs, but also nobody cannot use it for old Not Done topics. Additionally, I suggest another idea; Scratch Wiki could have multiple portals. For example; Scratch Modifications portal, Extensions portal, etc. Maybe not for now, but it could be helpful when discussions are too much.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::Well, I don't think that it matters that some people in [[S:CPND]] are inactive; that doesn't mean their discussions aren't relevant anymore. As for the discussions that you don't think are relevant anymore, like "Secret Compliments," you should discuss that in the appropriate section at [[S:CPND]] and make sure people agree with you. You could get people to add to the discussion on whether they are relevant anymore using the system I suggested {{e|;)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::I just used the system on the talk pages of the two people (other than me) who signed up:
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::::* [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie#Invitation to discussion]]
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::::* [[User talk:Groko13#Invitation to discussion]]
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::::Keep in mind that in the future, people would not message everyone on the list (because hopefully lots of people sign up!), but rather message the number of people that they need.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I'm happy to see people using the system already! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Also, I added {{t|open userpage}} to all of the Discussion Invitation System pages except the template, so feel free to improve any of them!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Oh yes, I remember when I first suggested that. I was thinking about it recently actually - what a coincidence!
  
== Privacy policy in English? ==
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I would like to add my name to the list, however one quick thing: why do we link to our Scratch profiles and not our Wiki profiles, or perhaps our Wiki talk page? Surely linking to our userpage would make a lot more sense, unless there is a specific reasoning for not doing this that I am not understanding.
  
The "privacy policy" link at the bottom of the page is in German. Is there one in English?<scratchsig>Donotforgetmycode</scratchsig> 08:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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In any case, I think this is a fantastic idea. Glad to see it's working already! Thanks for taking this on, bigpuppy. :){{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:No, it's discussed in the past, and admins don't want to change it because of the laws and problems about the translation. See also [[Scratch_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Suggestion:_Mention_that_the_Privacy_Policy_and_Disclaimers_are_in_German|to here.]]{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 08:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Where do people link to their Scratch profiles? On the list page, we are using the {{t|user}} template, which adds a link to the user's userpage and talk page. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
::Oh, OK. I still don't understand why it's dangerous to translate it.<scratchsig>Donotforgetmycode</scratchsig> 17:25, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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::Wait, nevermind. I saw <code><nowiki>{{users}}</nowiki></code> in the code, and mistook it to be the new <code><nowiki>[[users:]]</nowiki></code> interwiki, which points to their Scratch profile. Whoops!{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 23:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:::You don't speak a foreign language then; some things are '''''very''' tough'' to translate. One single error in translation could basically destroy this site. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 18:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|:::}}
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How did I completely miss this? I've moved everything into official namespaces and cleaned up stuff a bit. Thanks for proposing!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Thank you! This CP topic is now {{done}}. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:08, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== macOS drops support for Scratch 1.4 on versions 10.14 and 10.15 ==
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== When are we planning to implement [[User:jvvg/sandbox|the new Flawed Article]]? ==
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{{not done}}
  
Several replies in [[topic:406141|this forum topic]] say that macOS 10.14 and 10.15 drop support for 32-bit apps, including [[Scratch 1.4]] and obviously other 1.x versions. The end of support for 32 bit apps on 10.15 is mentioned on Apple Inc's website [https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208436 here].
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Per title.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Maybe you should ask jvvg. Has there been a discussion about it elsewhere? I'm not sure if the article is finished yet.<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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::I think it is done you should ask jvvg he made it  <scratchsig>Godslamb</scratchsig> 14:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
  
Where in this wiki should that information be put? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:56, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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== More Featured Images! ==
:Of course, the Scratch 1.x pages.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 12:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== New Scratch Wiki Logo? ==
 
  
Hi!
 
I think that because the main page of the Scratch Wiki and the scratchblocks have the new 3.0 style, why not the logo? I think that the Scratch Wiki logo needs an update. It has the old 2.0 style, and 2.0 is long gone. Please tell me your thoughts on this!
 
<scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 00:14, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:...? The Wiki logo currently uses the 3.0 version of the Scratch logo for the word "Scratch". Keep in mind that the [[Scratch Website]] had parts in 3.0 styling long before 3.0 came out.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:28, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::Oh, never mind, I see the difference now. Still, there's no need for a new logo - this one works perfectly well and isn't completely outdated (like the old favicon was).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== How to find user rank? ==
 
 
{{done}}
 
{{done}}
  
I joined the wiki nineteen days ago but I do not know my user rank (what is that called exactly?). How do I find it?
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The featured images were just updated, so does anyone have any new suggestions for next time? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
<scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 17:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
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:Here's two images: [[:File:Transparent_Stamps.png|1]] and [[:File:Gobo_Keychain.jpg|2]]. I don't know if these have been used in the past or not. Maybe we should start keeping a list. Is there any rule against reusing images? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
:Hello, R4356th. If you go into [[Special:Preferences|your preferences]], it will show all of the user groups you are in (under "Basic information"). For a list of possible user groups and the rights that come with them, view [[Special:ListGroupRights|this list]]. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:54, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
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::If images have the {{t|featured}} template on them, they have been used before. That said, there may have been some times where we forgot to add that template.
::Thank you, @Bigpuppy.<scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 12:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
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::As for whether there's a rule against re-using images, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing the {{t|featured}} template doesn't support such a case currently.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Okay, thanks! Before I thought that the template was only for WW articles. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 18:03, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Since no one else gave any suggestions, here's three more: [[:File:Video Sensing Extension.jpeg|1]] [[:File:3.0 Math.PNG|2]] [[:File:Checkbox to show or hide variable.png|3]] <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 01:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Groko13, which three of these do you think should be featured? I personally think [[:File:Transparent Stamps.png]], [[:File:Gobo Keychain.jpg]], and [[:File:Video Sensing Extension.jpeg]] would be good. Do you think so as well, or do you have a different opinion? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Sure, that sounds good! Thanks for updating the images! {{e|:)}}<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:00, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}{{done}}, if you see an error please let me know. Thanks for suggesting these! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== Are "Public Sandboxes" Allowed? ==
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== Constructiveness in Community Portal - An Idea ==
  
Hey, basically, can we have a userpage that everyone can edit? In this case, can we make a user sandbox a public sandbox? {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 16:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hello there!
:New Wikians can't edit others' userpages by default; to remove this restriction on one of your userpages, add {{t|open userpage}}. As for whether what you're talking about is allowed, I don't see any problem with it. However, if someone else sees one, please point it out. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::Thank you! That's what I meant. {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 17:06, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Problems about mobile devices ==
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In case you didn't know, I'm a Forum Helper (https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/3688309/) on Scratch, which means I generally help out on the the Scratch discussion forums. One day, I headed over to the Community Portal and it seemed like a sort of "discussion forums" within the Scratch Wiki, and I understand that the concept is different, but for me it personally seemed that way.
{{done|probably done}}
 
  
When I'm making a edit in the Wiki, I sometimes see that my edits has a lot of paragraph error. I didn't do them on keyboard, but I saw an added space or a paragraph. For example, when I write "some times", it can seen as "evetimesry". I have no idea about why this problem is occurring, but it's a big problem when I write.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:39, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
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Anyways, I mostly help around a lot on the Suggestions forum, which, yet again, redirects to the Community Portal since there are a lot of suggestions for the Scratch Wiki here. One difference is though, that the Scratch Team and some Scratchers (like me) enforce the rule of "constructiveness" while making posts, and I'm pretty sure most of you know what that means but I'll just clarify:
:This is likely a problem on your end. Try updating your system. You can also try switching the editor to plain-text mode using the colorful button on the top of the textbox.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:07, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::Thanks. My system is up to date. I think it's related to editor's mode. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 08:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Thankful Thursday! May 28{{th}}, 2020 ==
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* It means that one does not simply post "Support!", "Good idea!", or "+1!" and explain why they like the suggestion, that they provoke discussion, and look for possible issues instead of continuosly leaning on one side, like "I love this suggestion" or "I hate this suggestion"
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 028}}
 
  
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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* It means that one does not simply add one sentence to act as if their post is constructive. For example, "Support, because this might be useful for many Wikians!" seems constructive but it isn't really constructive, because they're not stating how it would be useful for many Wikians or why it would be.
  
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Now, I've been looking around in the CP, and I've been seeing a couple of responses just saying "+1!" or merely "Support!" without provoking any further discussion and merely showing your satisfaction. So I thought, maybe, we could enforce the constructive rule on the CP as well. Especially because the ideas here much more mature and complex, and not like Scratch where it's just new blocks or random new features.
  
The next TT is Wednesday, June 24{{th}}, in conjunction with the 50{{th}} Wiki Wednesday! See you then!<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 13:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
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I do agree that many people are already following this rule, but maybe just enforce it more? I do think it'll be incredibly helpful for the type of suggestions being given here.
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 13:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 
::Yay!{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Scratch Archive ==
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<small>wow... that's... long</small>
The old Version of the [[Forum]] is archived here: https://scratcharchive.asun.co/forums/ (as far as I know it changed url several times, but I'm not sure). Does anybody know who owns and runs this website (I think it's one of us fellow Scratch-wiki-authores?). Could it be a good idea to archive it aditional on the Scratch-Wikis server in case the private persons who runs the archive discontionues it one day? There are so many historical references from the Scratch Wiki to the old forum that this could be usefull. {{User:MartinWollenweber/signature}} 07:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
:Although they are no longer active on Scratch (as said on their profile, although they replied to a comment on their profile 28 days ago), [[users:comp09|comp09]] likely owns it.
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:While I understand what you're saying, I don't think it would be necessary to enforce constructiveness here. The discussion forums and Community Portal are two fundamentally different things. The Scratch Team has an extremely large userbase. Thus, there are many possible people contributing to discussions, and also many people that decisions will affect. It makes sense for there to be an expectation that people are constructive. However, as of writing, there are 72 [[Special:ActiveUsers|active users]] on the Scratch Wiki. This is much smaller than the userbase on Scratch. And yes, you might argue that our "userbase" is not just our editors but also our readers; yes, but our editors are the ones who are supposed to make the decisions here.
: (I found that out via the 404 page of the archived 1.x Scratch Forums, which links to a website that I eventually found out had a link to it on their Scratch profile). {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 
:: Also http://asun.co links directly to https://andrewsun.com, which [[users:comp09|comp09]] said on their profile is their site. Thus, it appears that comp09 is the owner of the forum archives. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::: scratcharchive.asun.co has been stable since 3 years. To myself, the best option is not archive again for now.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 11:21, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::: It is owned by [[User:blob8108|blob8108]] to my knowledge. Its URL used to be http://scratchforums.blob8108.net/forums/ before and a [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/22464/ post] by [[User:jvvg|jvvg]] stats that it is owned by him. I also think I saw him saying that it was owned by him on GitHub once. It might be a good idea to contact him.<scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 07:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Blob8108 transferred ownership to Andrew Sun (comp09) when the domain changed from scratchforums.blob8108.net to scratcharchive.asun.co.
 
:::::To answer the original topic, since we have that power now it would probably be a good idea, but then again it would be a major link change operation (both when it comes to search results and links from Wiki or Scratch). I trust Andrew to say something if he doesn't think he can continue hosting the forum archives - if he does say anything, we can volunteer ourselves.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Problems with Categorizing a Page ==
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:Anyway, on the topic of having fewer active users on the wiki, it helps to see if someone ''supports'' your idea. And it matters, too. If multiple people like your idea, it probably has a better chance of being successful here. This is in stark contrast to the Suggestions Forum, where that is simply not true. This is why simply saying "support" or "no support" on that forum is not helpful, nor constructive.
  
I'm trying to get [[Language Tutorials/Java/The "Hello World" Program|this page]] categorized... But I have a problem. It doesn't seem to be categorized. What should I actually do? {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 12:41, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
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:In summary, yes, I think it would be ''helpful'' for people to provide a reason that they like or dislike an idea (perhaps we could recommend it), but I don't think it's necessary to ''enforce'' it. I don't think that it's fair to compare the convention ''here'' to the convention ''on the Suggestions Forum,'' because the CP is fundamentally different from the Suggestions Forum and the discussion forums in general. That said, if someone ''dislikes'' an idea, I think it is more necessary to provide reasoning than if they like it, as they are disagreeing with the reasoning provided by the OP, and thus need to provide their own reasoning.
:<code>CTRL+F5</code> Clean your cache.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::Didn't work. {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 12:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Just wait or close tab and look it another time. It'll update.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 13:04, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::it takes time to categorize. i believe the categorizer cron task runs 1-2 times a week{{User:KrIsMa/Sig2}}  20:35, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Categorization is very slow for some reason so the cron job refreshes ''all'' link-related lists (including categories, [[Special:WhatLinksHere]], and redirect lists) every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Just wait a few days.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:39, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== How do you upload an image? ==
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:So, to end this off, I agree that we should recommend it, but I disagree that we should ''enforce'' it.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 14:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Good idea! I suppose that could work too.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
  
How do you upload an image from your computer to a Wiki article? I check S:CHEAT and it didn't have anything that helped me. Garnetluvcookie 19:49, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
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== Scratchblocks Plugin not Working ==
:[[Special:Upload]]
 
:{{note|For the signature, just use pen button or "Sign your username:" section.}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:02, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::Or you can add 4 tildes, like this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 20:48, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Elections ==
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On any wiki page I go to that has the Scratchblock Plugin, all of the blocks end up half-rendered, except for the text.  Are other people seeing this?
  
Scratch Wiki has a lot of EW, I know, also election decision can create by only EWs and sysops with majority but I think the Scratch Wiki may need more EWs in a near future. What do you think about this?{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 10:36, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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[[File:HalfRenderedBlockTextError.png]]
:We have plenty of EWs, and I don't see any need for more in the near future. There's probably not going to be another election for a long time.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:35, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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<scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 13:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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: This does not happen to me - the bug might only happen to the device or computer you are using the Scratch Wiki on. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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:: This might not be of much help but have you tried realoding the page or freeing space on your computer/device sometimes when the tablet I use  is out of space/storage everything malnfuctions <scratchsig>Godslamb</scratchsig> 15:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::What device/OS/browser are you using?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::If you are using a phone it is probably because the screen is too small so the wiki malfunctions. If you are on another device then I think it is because your storage is full, so in that case you need to free up space.<scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 17:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I'm using Brave Browser on a Macbook Pro, with about 70GB left on the hard drive. I have tried both reloading and clearing the cache, to no avail. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 22:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Hmm, could you try using a different browser, like Firefox or Chrome? That might be the issue. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== New Featured Images suggestions ==
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== Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded ==
{{done}}
 
  
Hello! The [[S:FI|Featured Images]] were just updated, so does anyone have any ideas for new ones for next month?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:09, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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When custom welcome messages on new Scratch Wikians' talk pages are not transcluded from a templat (when the entire contents, including the formatting is copied and pasted onto the talk page), it could lengthen the talk page.
:[[File:What_the_Community_is_Loving.png|300px]]{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 10:41, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::A few suggestions: [[:File:Cat Blocks.png|here]], [[:File:Browser_not_supported.png|here]], [[:File:3.0_Pen_Blocks.png|and here]].<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 19:13, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::{{done|I updated it}} with Ahmetlii's suggestion and Groko13's first two suggestions. Does it look okay? Does anything need to be changed?
 
:::<small>I wasn't sure whether we were still fully following the Wiki Wednesday/Featured Images at the same time convention (it came about a while ago), so thank you Groko13 for your post [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions|here]] that mentioned the convention. {{e|:P}}</small><br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Looks good to me! {{e|:)}}<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 04:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== April Foooooools...? ==
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I suggest that there should be a rule (unless one already exists) requiring all custom welcome messages (this excludes the default Scratch Wiki welcome message) to be transcluded as a template (from the creator's userspace, obviously). {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
  
8bitjake Hey guys. It's @8bitjake here. I've seen some April Fools articles, and I want to make one... but how?<scratchsig>8bitjake</scratchsig> 20:36, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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:[[#Standardized signatures]] Transcluded pages are loading slower, also the default welcome message is too big for transclusion.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
:Just create an article named as Scratch Wiki:April Fools/(the name of article), then add <code><nowiki>{{AF}}</nowiki></code> template to the article you created. Write your fake article. Finally, add <code><nowiki>{{April Fools}}</nowiki></code> to top of the real article.{{note|You don't use the your name again, use the signature instead and place it to end of your post.}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 21:03, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== How do I use templates? ==
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== Archive 106 ==
  
<scratchsig>8bitjake</scratchsig> 21:25, 8 June 2020 (UTC)8bitjakeI recently got my April Fools template question answered, but how do I even use a template in the first place?
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First, sorry for not appearing on this Wiki! I'm kinda busy on jawiki and other stuff. Anyway it's the 106th archive time!
:8bitjake, welcome to the Scratch Wiki! You can transclude a template by placing two sets of curly brackets (<code><nowiki>{{ }}</nowiki></code>) around the template name. For example, <code><nowiki>{{doing}}</nowiki></code> would translude {{t|doing}}, to make {{doing}}. You can do this with other namespaces too; for example, <code><nowiki>{{User:8bitjake}}</nowiki></code> would transclude your userpage.
 
  
:Also, in the future, please place your signature after your message rather than before it. Thanks!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:48, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
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Things to archive:
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{{collapse top|the list of Done topics}}
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* [[S:CPND#New page for mall simulators]]
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* [[S:CPSYS]] - '''do not forget this time, please'''
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* [[#Welcome templates]]
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* [[#New Featured Images]]
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* [[#Giving Credit on the Wiki]]
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* [[#What happened to link previews?]]
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* [[#Moving Plural page titles to singular]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! January 30th, 2020]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! February 27th, 2020]]
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* [[#New Featured Images]]
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* [[#Sonic the Hedgehog]]
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* [[#Turbo Mode]]
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* [[#How to make a quiz]]
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* [[#WikiMonitor is hurting me]]
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* [[#Scratch Links]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! April 30th, 2020]]
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* [[#Can someone please help]]
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* [[#Revamping and Reviving S:CPND]]
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* [[#Featured Image Suggestions?]]
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* [[#How to find user rank?]]
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* [[#Problems about mobile devices]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! May 28th, 2020]]
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* [[#New Featured Images suggestions]]
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* [[#Merge Request]]
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* [[#How do I move this page?]]
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* [[#scratchblocks is updated!]]
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* [[#Memories for Wiki Wednesday 50]]
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* [[#Scratch MIDI notes]]
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* [[#Should we delete never used bot accounts?]]
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* [[#READ! Scratch is down!]]
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* [[#Sandbox]]
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{{collapse bottom}}
  
== Merge Request ==
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Can these be archived as well?
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{{collapse top|can they be archived?}}
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* [[#2.0 Image Updating]]
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* [[#Why won’t this table work?]] - although labeled as not done, OP is inactive
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* [[#Advertising article]]
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* [[#Lancer PFP trend]]
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* [[#Scratch + the Project to Find the Fundamental Theory of Physics by Stephen Wolfram]]
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* [[#Why is the interwiki link for the Test-Scratch Wiki the language code for Twi?]]
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* [[#What are...]]
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* [[#sooo idk if this is off-topic]]
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* [[#Please help me]]
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* [[#Privacy policy in English?]]
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* [[#New Scratch Wiki Logo?]]
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* [[#Are "Public Sandboxes" Allowed?]]
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* [[#Problems with Categorizing a Page]]
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* [[#How do you upload an image?]]
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* [[#Elections]]
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* [[#April Foooooools...?]]
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* [[#How do I use templates?]]
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* [[#How to add an image on my user space?]]
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* [[#250000th edit on the Wiki!]]
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* [[#How to create a sidebar?]]
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* [[#How to make a April Fools userpage?]]
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* [[#Bad word filter]]
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* [[#About linking other Wikis...]]
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* [[#Blocked Accounts]]
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* [[#Where's the CSS cheatsheet?]]
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* [[#New Wikian]]
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* [[#Are there rules on this Wiki about sockpuppeting similar to the ones on Wikipedia?]]
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* [[#How Does The topic: Namespace Work?]]
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I think we should merge the [[Variable Monitor]] article with the [[Stage Monitor]] article. They're about the same exact subject. There's been a merge template on it for a while, but no one has said anything. Thoughts? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 18:47, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
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{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
:I have no idea, Scratch Wiki has a lot of things to do such as [[Scratch Wiki talk: Community Portal/Admin_Requests#Edit_of_a_protected_page]], [[Special:Diff/249820]] or [[Special:Diff/249838]]. Just wait, probably it will solve.{{note|You can try to merge it if you can do.}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Yay! {{e|10mil}} Out of your "can these be archived as well" topics, here are the ones that I think can be archived:
::Okay, I'll merge it when I get around to it (or someone else can)<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 20:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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{{collapse top|title=I think these can be archived}}
:::I vote for a merge. We should leave a redirect though. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 21:21, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
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:* [[#Why is the interwiki link for the Test-Scratch Wiki the language code for Twi?]]
::::Merged!<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 15:10, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
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:* [[#What are...]]
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:* [[#sooo idk if this is off-topic]]
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:* [[#Please help me]]
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:* [[#Privacy policy in English?]]
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:* [[#Are "Public Sandboxes" Allowed?]]
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:* [[#Problems with Categorizing a Page]]
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:* [[#How do you upload an image?]]
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:* [[#Elections]]
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:* [[#April Foooooools...?]]
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:* [[#How do I use templates?]]
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:* [[#How to add an image on my user space?]]
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:* [[#250000th edit on the Wiki!]]
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:* [[#How to make a April Fools userpage?]]
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:* [[#Bad word filter]]
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:* [[#About linking other Wikis...]]
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:* [[#Blocked Accounts]]
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:* [[#New Wikian]]
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:* [[#Are there rules on this Wiki about sockpuppeting similar to the ones on Wikipedia?]]
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:* [[#How Does The topic: Namespace Work?]]
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:If you disagree with any of those, please say so.
  
== How to add an image on my user space? ==
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:That leaves these ones that I'm not too sure about:
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{{collapse top|title=I'm not too sure about these ones}}
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:* [[#2.0 Image Updating]]
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:* [[#Why won’t this table work?]]
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:* [[#Advertising article]]
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:* [[#Lancer PFP trend]]
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:* [[#Scratch + the Project to Find the Fundamental Theory of Physics by Stephen Wolfram]]
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:* [[#New Scratch Wiki Logo?]]
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:* [[#How to create a sidebar?]]
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:* [[#Where's the CSS cheatsheet?]]
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:<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::I archived the finished and inactive discussions.
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::<small>maybe I archived so fast</small>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:33, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Ahmetlii, I think you archived some that shouldn't have been archived... such as: "Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded" (edit conflict with Ahmetlii)<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Also, I think the admins (like Ken) are supposed to do the actual archiving?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::<small><small>oops</small></small>I came Jammum's topic to here again.<small>also edit conflict</small>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::There are some others too; I'm currently looking through the archive.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent}}
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Should we do a bot for archiving? Yes, it's pretty {{done}} without a bot; but also I saw that I archived everything, nearly.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Archived [[S:CPSYS]]}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
  
i want to put my scratch profile picture on my userpage but the tutoriol seems too complicated and i cant understand it! is there a simpler way to do it? <scratchsig>Hani2018</scratchsig> 13:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
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== [[S:CPND]] ==
:Go to [[Special:Upload]], upload the file, write description and file's name. Paste <code><nowiki>[[Category:Users' Images]]</nowiki></code> to end of the description.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 13:45, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
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{{done}}
:::Thanks! <scratchsig>Hani2018</scratchsig> 14:38, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::You're welcome. Please, use indents when replying.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:51, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== [[Special:Diff/250000|250000{{th}}]] edit on the Wiki! ==
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Can someone please help me find the problem at [[S:CPND]]? Everything is being collapsed by one of the topics... {{e|:/}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I'm not sure why {{t|collapse bottom}} is not working at the bottom of [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Embedding of Scratch Projects]]... <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Looking in the page history, before [[Special:Diff/249733|this edit]], everything seems normal. However, the problem is, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that edit, and I don't remember it being like this ''since'' that edit. Sometimes I just really dislike wiki formatting. {{e|:/}} Thanks for trying to help fix it.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Very strange, is the signature messing the page up somehow? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::I tried removing all instances of Ahmetlii's custom signature in [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox|my sandbox]], and it kind of fixed the problem, but really just moved it to a different topic. {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::To everyone {{-}} free to edit my sandbox to try to find out what the problem is. Rules against editing posts don't apply there, so '''please don't copy and paste from there into [[S:CPND]].''' This is purely to ''identify'' the problem.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::So, something I did in [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox]] fixed the problem. I removed a lot of people's custom signatures. The problem was fixed when I removed this code, I think:
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::::::<syntaxhighlight><span title="{{Special:EditCount/Eribetra}} edits since 26/1/2017" style="color:#0000ff;font-family:Segoe UI, sans-serif;display:inline">{{#ifeq:|nobr||<br/>}}[[File:Eribetra%27s_Profile_Picture.gif|20px|link=User:Eribetra]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Eribetra}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border:1px solid black"><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span></span></span> 21:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)</syntaxhighlight>
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::::::This is the code of {{user|Eribetra|name}}'s custom signature {{-}} not sure why it wasn't transcluded.
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::::::The problem is, when I tried to remove ''just'' that code, it didn't fix the problem.
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::::::So I fixed the problem in my sandbox, now we just need to isolate what I did to fix it. {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Alright, I know for sure that there is something in [[User:Ahmetlii/sig]] that is causing trouble. Look at [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 3]], then look at its source code.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Alright, I think I've fixed the issue!! {{e|10mil}}
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:I think there were two things causing this:
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:# Something with the formatting of the "custom signatures" section. I don't know what, but if you read that discussion, Ken has tried to fix it as well.
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:# Something in Ahmetlii's custom signature.
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:I fixed the problem by:
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:# Moving the "custom signatures" section to its own subpage, [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done/custom signatures]].
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:# Reverting Ahmetlii's custom signature to a previous version. I think it's okay that I edited userspace because the custom signature was adversely affecting other pages, though please correct me if I'm wrong about that.
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:<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::{{e|10mil}} Good work! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Good job bigpuppy! {{e|10mil}} <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 14:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
  
Congratulations to all of the Wiki users!<big>{{e|tenmil}}</big>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 17:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
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== Talking through the mouse ==
:{{e|tenmil}}{{e|tenmil}}{{e|tenmil}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:44, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
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{{done}}
::Neat! How do you see how many edits there are? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Just look at edit number when you click the edit. It will be shown on URL's "&oldid=" section.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:00, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::congrats! :D <scratchsig>Hani2018</scratchsig> 18:59, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== How do I move this page? ==
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I just want to know how you edit code so you can talk through someone's mouse. I've seen a lot of people doing it and I would love to know how!
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<scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 10:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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:You can use the <code><nowiki><span title></nowiki></code> property — for example, <code><nowiki><span title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</span></nowiki></code> makes <span title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</span>
  
Apparently, [[Viewer_Language_(block)|this block]] was renamed to just Language (see talk page), so I tried moving the article to [[Language (block)]], but it wouldn't let me (I think because there is already a redirect page there). How am I supposed to move the page? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 22:13, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
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:You can also do the same thing with <code><nowiki><div title></nowiki></code>; for example, <code><nowiki><div title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</div></nowiki></code> makes <div title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</div><br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
:I think it should let you overwrite most redirect pages, but since that page had more edits in its history than just making it a redirect, it didn't let you. I deleted the redirect and its associated talk page, then moved the page, so I'll mark this as {{done}}.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== How to create a sidebar? ==
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::OK, thanks bigpuppy! I'll give it a go in my sandbox. Just had a go and it all works! Thanks, again. <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 18:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
  
On user bigpuppy’s  profile I clicked edit and copied the code of the sidebar and pasted it to my user page but i don’t even know how to make a side bar. Here are the things that I wanted to change it:
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== A flaw in the "Random Page" button I see ==
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{{not done}}
  
*colour of sidebar:pink
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So, I've been using the Scratch Wiki for almost 3 months without an account, and about 1 with, and I see a flaw in the "Random Page" button. Sometimes it links you to disambiguation pages, and I'm just wondering- is this really useful? Because most people (I'm assuming) who use the RP (Random Page) button just want to find an article they can revise or look at, and I find that whenever a disambiguation page while clicking the RP button, I just click the RP button again, and find an article. I have a suggestion, maybe have an option to toggle if you want to not go to disambiguation pages while clicking the RP button? Just a little suggestion. <scratchsig>Foxlife37</scratchsig> 23:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
*having my scratch profile picture on it
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:See [[wikipedia:mw:Help:Random page]]; I think that since [[Special:Random]] is a built-in MediaWiki thing, this would require some sort of extension. That said, I'm no MediaWiki guru, so I could be wrong about that. An easy solution would be to put disambig pages in their own namespace; though this has the downside that they won't show up in search. Again, I'm not a MediaWiki guru, so I don't know whether there's an easy solution to that downside.
*having a link to my user page,talk page contributions page, and community portal.  
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:<small>I really wanted to make a joke about not being able to play TenType's [[User:TenType#Games|Disambiguation Dodge]], but then I realized you were just suggesting a way to toggle seeing disambiguation pages...</small><br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Haha, I was going to make that joke too! {{e|:P}} I don't think we should move disambigs to their own namespace though; that seems like quite a drastic change just to make sure that they don't show up via the Random Page button. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 23:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Thanks! I now have an idea that came from your answers. It's 100% not related to the problem, but it's definitely a cool idea! <small> Oof so much happened. I had to re-write this because of an edit conflict, and I guess this is an example of an idea that came from a problem. And wow is this hard on a phone... </small> <scratchsig>Foxlife37</scratchsig> 23:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Maybe we can add [[:mw:Extension:Disambiguator]] (jawiki has it) {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 13:59, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
  
Is there a easier code that can just be edited to make a custom sidebar?<scratchsig>Hani2018</scratchsig> 13:57, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
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== Merging Cloud Data Articles? ==
  
:I recommend you to open a page named as User:Hani2018/Sidebar and then, add it to your pages with this code: <code><nowiki>{{User:Hani2018/Sidebar}}</nowiki></code>. You can change the colors and boxes by CSS <nowiki><div></nowiki> tags, so check [[Help:CSS]] for more information.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:03, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
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I think that there are far too many articles on Cloud Data. I think these should all be merged or certain ones removed to reduce the amount of potential editing.
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<scratchsig>ContourLines</scratchsig> 06:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== How to make a April Fools userpage? ==
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== Linking Style Sheets ==
  
(Sorry if my spelling is bad, i am typing on an iPad)
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Could anyone please tell me if it is possible to link style sheets similar to <syntaxhighlight lang="HTML"><link rel="stylesheet" href="filename.css"></syntaxhighlight>in HTML? If it is then could you please tell me how? <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 18:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
It's pretty self-explanatory, but if you really need to....
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:It's "perfectly" impossible for the Scratch Wiki. It will need FTP server access. You cannot do it if you're not a bureaucrat.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
How do I make a April Fools version of my userpage?
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::But why would I need FTP server access if the linked style sheet is on the wiki? <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 19:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
14:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::Wiki pages cannot run HTML codes itself.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
{{unsigned|Garnetluvcookie}}
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::::While this is impossible. You can, however, use your common.css file in your userspace which will effect the style of the wiki skin.<scratchsig>ContourLines</scratchsig>
:Create a page named as Scratch Wiki:April Fools/(your userpage's name) ,put your content with <nowiki>{{AF}}</nowiki>. Add <nowiki>{{April Fools}}</nowiki> to your original userpage.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:51, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::::@Ahmelii, you are wrong. I suggest you to test it by yourself. @ContourLines, I am not asking about changing the style for only me; I am asking about changing the style for the contents of that page for everyone. <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 11:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|5}}
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@R4356th, are you sure about that? I cannot run it in my CSS sheet, I will try again. Did you test it in the Wiki?{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I believe [[User:Kenny2scratch|@Kenny2scratch]] might know. They seem to of effected the style of all their userspace.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 18:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::You can not run the wiki on just html and css files. It needs the files that run the server accsept of it too like the php files.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 11:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== Bad word filter ==
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== Custom Signatures ==
  
Someone must change the abuse filter.[[Special:Diff/250356|There's inappropriate content as fourth.]] {{Plain link|1=https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?title=User:ScratchDude101&action=history|2=And, lots of the edits are still showing by history.}} Please rickroll them.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 17:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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Would it be a violation of [[S:USERSPACE]] to replace the contents of another user's custom signature which has all its code and formatting on the page itself with a transclusion of the template it is from? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:43, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
:That word isn't always inappropriate and is only wrong if used in a certain way. Also, what's the problem with lots of edits still being shown by history? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 18:06, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Could you elaborate? I don't really understand, it is probably as I am new here.<scratchsig>ContourLines</scratchsig> 15:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
::1. You are right about that word in first edit, but other words?
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::I think it is, but I'm not entirely sure. Can you explain a bit more about it? <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 15:26, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
::2. They are still accessible.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:30, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::I'm going to leave it up to the admins to decide whether or not the edits should be hidden. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:33, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::I don't see any inappropriate words in the edit you linked. As to the history, what's wrong with them being accessible? We don't hide revisions just because there are a lot of them.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:52, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== scratchblocks is updated! ==
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== Uploading Problems... ==
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{{done}} <br/>
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So, if you look [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:FoxPFP.svg here], you'll see my current profile picture on the scratch wiki. But it isn't working? The blue rounded rhombus square thing around it isn't loading. I've tried a lot, but it's not letting me use the one with the blue outline. I can't tell if I should just stick to the original non-rounded one, or is there something I can do. I've tried reverting it to older ones with the border, but it still won't work. I'm wondering if you can help me with this.
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<br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 15:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:It seems to work for me! Could you try to define what isn't loading a bit more clearly? I'll do my best! <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 15:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::For me the original one (the one without the rhombus) shows up, even when it's supposed to be using the rhombus one. So it looks like it has no rhombus around it. Does it show differently for you? <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 15:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Yes, I can see the rhombus. Maybe your device needs updating? <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 15:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Great, thanks! I might try logging out and into my account again. {{e|:D}} <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 15:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::: *facepalm* Or I could just clear my cache. Okay, fixed! (I realised that just now I should hard refresh the page) <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 15:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Wow! I didn't know that ''I'' could actually fix a problem! Anyway, I'm glad it's fixed! {{e|;)}} <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 16:01, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent}} Yup! Thanks! <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 16:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:No problem! And considering I'm only a New Wikian(I've been here for 8 days) that's pretty good! <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 16:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
  
mw-ScratchBlocks4 is updated to include new version of scratchblocks. This contains support for cat blocks(<code>::cat</code>):
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== Some wikicode not working? ==
<scratchblocks>
 
when @greenFlag clicked::cat
 
</scratchblocks>
 
  
This version also adds "when stage clicked" block:
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So my welcome template, which is [[User:Foxlife37/Welcome|here]], has a border around it like this.
<scratchblocks>
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<div style="border: 4px solid #ff9500; width: 95%; height:auto; margin:10px; padding:15px; border-radius:10px;">
when stage clicked
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Example! </div>
</scratchblocks>
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And with that, I made the whole welcome template in there. So far it was fine, but then I tried to do this - (not in the collapse it's just so it's smaller)
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{{collapse top|title=<span style="color:#7953c4;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Example</span>|bg=#ffffff}}
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[[User:Foxlife37/Sandbox|Go here and see. It'll explain things.]] I can't put it in here because otherwise it would be sorta broken.
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And the hello is supposed to be outside the box, plus the <code><nowiki></div></nowiki></code> is supposed to be outside the box and not show up? Idk, can someone look at the code and figure it out? Thanks if someone figures it out! <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 18:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I think any issues you are having are because you seem to have forgotten to close a span tag. See [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 2]]. Did closing it fix the problems?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Oh, I had another span tag open? Ah, thanks! I'll try and fix that now. {{e|:)}} Update from future me - It worked! (How did I not notice that..) Thanks! <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 19:04, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::{{done}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
  
and some bugfixes. Note that plugins used in the Discussion Forum is not updated. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 05:30, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
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== Allow user-based scripts in Scratch Wiki ==
:Yes, This looks cute!, I wish it could have it forums as well, but it doesn't updated in the forums, I remembered this was from April Fools 2020, isn't it? <scratchsig>Agarraga</scratchsig> 09:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::Yes, it was from April Fools 2020. About the forums not being updated, I actually have authored a [[topic:349380|forum post about that]]. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 01:36, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::{{cool}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== About linking other Wikis... ==
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In last days, I developed [[User:Ahmetlii/PyUserScript|a script]] for send [[S:DIS]] messages. So, I need to get permission for use and publish codes of the script - because I designed it for send messages, but specifically for Scratch Wiki. What do you think about that, should we use it or not?
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{{note|Also, this is the first topic about the usability of userscripts(not bots)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:00, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Personally, I don't mind allowing user-based scripts, but it is a good point to bring up for discussion. If there's no rules against it and you're doing things that the API allows, then it's probably okay (and it's all tied to your account, right? Letting anonymous users edits pages with bots would be pretty bad). I would definitely get a bureaucrat's approval though. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 20:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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::For your question, yes, anonymous IPs or bots(if they are not approved by bureaucrats) cannot edit the Wiki through the API. So, if someone wants to use this tool, all of the responsibilities are on the user.
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::Actually, I'm concerned about for bureaucrats' opinions, because this is the first discussion about semi-automatic editors, etc.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 21:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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:(This level of indentation is to reply to OP.)
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:You say you need to get permission to use the script - and yet you used it without permission?
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:User bots (different from userscripts) are completely disallowed. You must [[S:BOTREQS|request]] a bot account to perform regular automated tasks. Your run of your bot was completely against guidelines.
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:That's not to say that userscripts (that is, Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey/similar-style JavaScript files or user JS files) are disallowed - only that API access from a user account is not allowed unless you have been approved to test your implementation of a bot you requested.
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:We bureaucrats are currently discussing whether we should disable API write access to all non-bot/EW accounts and if so how to allow it for users that are approved to test implementations.
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:What that basically means is you can use a userscript or user JS to prefill the text of your new topic for you, but you must make your edit through the user interface, not the application programming interface, unless you do so through a bot account or in the course of testing your implementation.
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:Please either make a bot request, switch to a userscript, or dismantle your project.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:33, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  
So I am a editor on the Ofiicial Minecraft Wiki, and I was wondering if I could link my userpage on there. Please answer!
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== Edit Count JSON? ==
<scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie 14:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:You may link your userpage on there if their policies permit you to do so. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 02:11, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::As long as they allow it, you can link to your userpage here from your userpage there. However, don't go around putting links to your userpage in actual articles on the MC Wiki.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Memories for Wiki Wednesday 50 ==
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I don't really know how much relevance this has here but I was wondering if how I would get a user's edit count in JSON format. Where would that be located? Is there some API I should be using or something? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks {{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 02:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi everyone - We have a very special Wiki Wednesday coming up. It will be our fiftieth edition of the newsletter. As a reminder [[Wiki Wednesday]] is our monthly newsletter posted on the Scratch website. We want to make this edition extra special! Please submit below some pieces that we could format into the post: short paragraphs about "your favorite Wiki edit" or longer OP-eds encouraging members of the Scratch community to join us as Wikians. I am happy to review and incorparate any idea you have - I really want this edition to reflect our community as a whole. I look forward to reading you responses. I would appreciate if your submission was finished and posted here by '''June 21st''' so that I have time to review and format the final post. Thanks again! <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 02:15, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done}} Got a answer somewhere else {{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 23:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
:I'm so excited! Anyway, my paragraph is:
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::Looks like I was too late for answer, but did you use [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/api.php ?format] for it?{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 23:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
:My favourite Wiki edit was probably the time I edited a bunch of stubs with actually good content in it, not just rushed, 5 minute content. I had a lot of fun doing that, and I want to do it again!<scratchsig>garnetluvcookie</scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie 00:24, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::My favourite edit is "hmmst'd've's (the pulp free orange juice with extra pulp that crash-landed into my basement and said banana)". It was funny. Also, it's a good example for that Scratch and Scratch Wiki are same, we're not writing "only" boring contexts. Also, we're (as Scratchers in Scratch Wiki) writing for Scratchers. There has funny and helpful things. We're trying to helpful for everyone because this wiki is written by Scratchers for Scratchers. That's the main task.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::I love editing for the Wiki because I get to share my knowledge about Scratch and help other people find information that they need. Also, I've learned a lot of new things about Scratch while working on and reading the Wiki articles. Being a Wikian is a great way to give back to the Scratch community, and it's a lot of fun working with people from around the world, whether it's working on a large project or page, or just making some smaller changes to an article. The Scratch Wiki community is really nice and helpful as well.<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 16:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Hopefully it's not too late; here's my paragraph:
 
::::I don't think I have a favorite edit, because it's all of the edits by every Wikian all coming together that make the Scratch Wiki what it is. If you're looking for a way to help out in the Scratch community, the wiki is a great place for you! You'll get better at collaborating, researching, and writing. Editing the wiki is fun, too! We have a wonderful community that's very welcoming and would be delighted to answer any questions you have. If you're interested in joining, just follow the instructions here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:CONTRIB We're excited to meet you and see your contributions!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:38, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Honestly I don't have single edits that I like - I like the grind of looking through recent changes, and making follow-up edits if necessary. It was also nice to become EW to sort of formalize that process :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:59, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::This topic is {{done}} as [[topic:416946|Wiki Wednesday is out]]. {{e|:)}} Thanks {{user|Makethebrainhappy|name}}!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 22:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Necroposting on [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done]] ==
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== Red text on popups for links? ==
  
Some of the topics in Not Done have been solved or unusable/outdated. Maybe we can archive as "closed". Any ideas? <span style="color:grey">(edited in 23.06.2020 (UTC))</span>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 21:38, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
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<small><small>I'm trying to be more active now :D</small></small><br/>
:Which topics specifically do you think the discussion is completed on? Maybe ask the original authors of the posts. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 02:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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When hovering over a link, I see red text in it instead of black text, or the color that is supposed to be there. I looked at my [[User:12944qwerty/common.css]] and I removed the color:red part of it and refreshed cache but it is still present? Or is it supposed to be like this (which I doubt). This is what it appears for me: https://ibb.co/NT1ymNZ <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 04:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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:This may happen because the linked page doesn't exist anymore. Is this the case for your links? Can you link the troublesome pages please?{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 17:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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::It's happened to me before and the reason was the link did not exist as I had made a mistake in the code. I assume this is the reason for your problem too. It is probably because the page has been deleted for some reason or that you made the same mistake as me. <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 17:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Hmm, that's odd. It's not like that for me. The text that isn't red is the right color though. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::All links (other than external) show up like that. They're all existing 100%. All links, including [[S:CP]], [[S:CPND]], etc are showing up like that for me. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Maybe try a different device if you can and see if that fixes it? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 21:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Even if it were to fix it, which I doubt as it seems to be an account problem (and it works properly on the wiki), I'd like the wiki to be able to work on all devices.
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:::::I checked [[Special:Preferences]] but there isn't anything there. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::I'm going to need more reproduction information than that. I don't see anything out of the ordinary - hovering over your S:CP link behaves correctly with correct colors. I notice in your screenshot that only list items are red, while paragraphs are fine.
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::::::Sniff around with Inspect Element. Where is the styling that makes it red computed?
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::::::In the meantime, what's your browser and OS?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 20:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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I'm not able to access the inspect element area on this computer. I'll try switching to my other computer later. <br/>
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I'm starting to see your point, but when I hover over my [[User:12944qwerty]] page I see this https://i.ibb.co/tQmvzQc/image.png . The CP's header is red for me, but all the other text is normal as you said.<br/>
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'''Google Chrome OS Version 83.0.4103.119 (Official Build) (64-bit)''' <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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:On further exploration, I've noticed that this mainly happens on MY pages. I haven't seen red text on anyone else's pages except for the headers, which are red. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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::I have switched to my other computer, and I still see the EXACT same thing. This is definitely an account problem <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 14:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::Assumming, you're using ScratchWikiSkin, it's [[User:12944qwerty/scratchwikiskin2.css|this CSS page]]. I added it to my common.css and it did the same thing for me. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 14:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
  
== Thankful Thursday! (On a Wednesday!) June 24{{th}}, 2020 ==
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== Even more featured images! ==
Welcome to this month's Thankful Thursday! This month is a special one because it is the 50{{th}} edition [[Wiki Wednesday]]! For those of you who don't know Wiki Wednesday is a monthly Scratch News series where the Scratch Team features an article suggested by the community on the last Wednesday of the month. To celebrate we are releasing Thankful Thursday a day early to be in conjunction with Wiki Wednesday. So, an extra special thanks to both MakeTheBrainHappy and LiFaytheGoblin who made Wiki Wednesday possible!
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{{not done}}
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Without further ado:
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If you have suggestions, please reply here. (I really wish we had a dedicated page for this...)<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I think that keeping it in here is better because more people come here more often than not. Keeping it elsewhere might not lead many people to suggest images. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 029}}
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::What about the dedicated subpage for logging server faults? It already has a link on the main CP, so we can just do a similar thing for more featured images. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Yes, but once a server fault appears, people have motivation to log it so that it doesn't happen again.. In this case, people have to find an image, then go the CP, then to the link (unless bookmarked). Although I do see your point, I believe keeping it in the CP would have a lot more attention. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::I think that if we do make a dedicated page, it could go in the "For Editors" bar next to "WW Suggestions." <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 15:43, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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[[:File:Gobo's friends.png|Here's]] a suggestion! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:How about this one? [[:File:Save Picture.png]] {{e|:)}} It might be interesting to people that that used to be a feature.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
  
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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== Where should I discuss things related to the Test Wikis if I am not a user on it? ==
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{{done}}<br/>
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I wanted to discuss something involving one of the Test Wikis. However, I am not a Test Wiki editor (and I am not planning to join it because I am not fluent in any other language). Where should I discuss Test Wiki related topics? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I think you should start a forum post so you can discuss it on the main scratch website, as I think it would be off-topic to put it here or somewhere else. <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 17:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:: The Test Wikis are owned by the same owners of the Scratch Wiki. Also, I am going to wait for other users to answer this. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::The [[topic:294197|Wiki forum topic]] is an appropriate place, I'd say.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 20:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Your welcome to post on any of the international administrators talk pages and we'd be happy to answer a question or transfer your comment to the test-wiki community portal if appropriate. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 20:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Thank you for your replies. I am going to go with what Ken wrote, so this topic is now {{done}} {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 05:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
  
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== Naming Blocks ==
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{{not done}}
  
The next TT is, July 30{{th}}, see you then!<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 04:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
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When referring to Scratch's blocks within an article, what format should be used? Some articles follow the capitalization of the title (like [[Tempo (block)]]), some articles use all lowercase (like [[Abs () (block)]]), and some use the block plugin (e.g. [[Set Video Transparency to () (block)]]). If there's not a consistent format, then there probably should be one.
:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 04:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Removing biased opinions on Wiki pages. ==
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<small>(Thanks to [[User_talk:Groko13#Capitalization|Naleksuh]] for bringing this up)</small><scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I looked at the [[S:EC#Introductory paragraph|Editing Conventions]], and they say that "capitalization for blocks remain the same as the title; for example, Tempo (block) changes to 'Tempo' and Project Downloading (1.4) changes to 'Project Downloading.'" If this is the case, should we change articles that don't follow this capitalization to match? What about articles that just use scratchblocks code? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:: I am okay with the block name the same as in the title, however I do think that this means the title system should be changed, as it is currently using incorrect grammar, unnecessary disambigs, and not even aligning with the actual names used in Scratch
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:: For example:
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::: * [[If on Edge, Bounce (block)]] will become "if on edge, bounce" (yes, titles that start with a lowercase letter *are* possible - can be done individually or via the infobox)
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::: * [[Boolean Block]] will become "Boolean block"
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::: * [[How to Move Sprites with the Arrow Keys]] will become "How to move sprites with the arrow keys"
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::: * [[Advanced Topics (forum)]] will become "Advanced Topics"
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::: * [[New Scratcher Status]] will become "New Scratcher status"
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::: * [[Scratch Design Studio]] will stay "Scratch Design Studio"
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:: Any objections? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]]) 18:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::It's ironic that I have to be this person this time.
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:::[[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 96#A talk about capitalization of article titles|I brought this up]] nearly 3 years ago, and most people agreed that capitalization here is not ideal. However, Scimonster, an admin who predates me by nearly 6 years, came out of inactivity just to push down the idea. He quoted JSO, a founder:
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:::{{quote|I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but I really think this is a change we should not put our efforts and time in. I think the titles look just fine as they are, but most importantly I think it's not worth either breaking every single link ever created to the wiki or messing up the wiki by creating hundreds of redirects.|JSO}}
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:::I appreciate your eagerness to improve the Wiki, but suggesting sweeping radical changes literal hours after being accepted is not the way to go about it.
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:::<small>Also, fight your own fights. Why did you make Groko bring it up instead of posting it yourself?</small>{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 20:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::So, we should make sure all pages follow the same capitalization as the title, correct? What about pages with scratchblocks code? Personally, I think we should change them if the scratchblock replaces the bolded words in the intro paragraph, like in [[Set Video Transparency to () (block)]], but leave scratchblocks elsewhere. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 04:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::"I appreciate your eagerness to improve the Wiki, but suggesting sweeping radical changes literal hours after being accepted is not the way to go about it." I do not appreciate the condescending tone here. Especially not when "literal hours" was all I needed to find that multiple blocks were named wrong for over a year and half. I try to be polite and informative. Granted sometimes I fail at this. This attempts neither.
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:::::: I do not agree with the text's capitalization matching the title (although I also disagree with how the titles are, so this may be null to begin with). I also do not think blocks mixed with text is a good idea, especially in introduction. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]]) 17:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
  
There are many pages with a note like:
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== Misdirected Request error ==
  
{{note | This can be hard for New Scratchers to make, as of its complexity.}}<br />
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Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
  
The Scratch Wiki is supposed to be a neutral source of information about the Scratch website, right?  I suggest that we remove all those notices from the pages. New Scratchers aren't dumb. They are just users who made an account. No-one needs to say "This is the green flag. Sound it out with me G. R-" NO. I know a user who is amazing at coding in text-based languages, yet other users were saying "ThE ScRaTcH WiKi sAyS tHaT nEw ScRaTcHeRs CaN't cOdE sHoW I sHoW yOu HoW!1!1!". This is making the Wikians look like fools for putting this stuff on here, I quote an earlier part of my post "The Scratch Wiki is supposed to be a <big>neutral source</big> of information. This is the end of this before it gets a little too ranty.
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== Thankful Thursday! July 30{{th}}, 2020 ==
<scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie 01:30, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 030}}
:You bring up a very good point! I agree that all of these notices should be removed. The reader can judge how hard a script will be to understand themselves, based on their experience and skill level. {{e|:)}} Everyone is different.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::I also agree. The wiki should not have such notices. Are there any examples of such pages?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 19:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Jakel181, I saw them remove one in [[Special:Diff/250987|this edit]]. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::I agree, too. A lot of tutorials has similar notes like that.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:33, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::'''+1''', no page should have such notices. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies ==
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
  
When Wiki Wednesdays are mentioned on the Scratch News on the homepage, some users' replies contain spam such as blockspam.
 
  
I suggest that at the end of each Wiki Wednesday initial post, it should say that when replying, users should not spam. It could also give the definition of what is considered spam (such as offtopic blocks, gibberish, emoji testing, etc.), so users will less likely be confused about what spam is (other than the food product of the same name), that spam could be reported, and that block testing and project advertisements go in the Forum blocks testing topic and the Show and Tell forum respectively. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 09:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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The next TT is, August 27{{th}}, see you then!<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 05:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
:It's a good idea - and I agree with you, but I think that's not a exact solution manner. As an example, lots of announcements and sticky topics (Wiki Forum Community Portal) are getting blockspam; some people, like me, TenType, SausageMcSausage or ST, warn them, but I see a new spam everyday when I check Wiki Forum Community Portal. Also, nobody don't write aggressive posts for warn users; for example, don't write "DON'T MAKE BLOCKSPAM OR SOMEBODY MAY WARN YOU(ME OR ANYBODY ELSE)". I think WW could include a link [[topic:387618|to here.]]{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 11:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 05:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Thanks for posting, but this is last month's TT. You probably want to change that? {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 05:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::As the other informal runner of TT, I think jake doesn't mind if I edit the archive number in his post. Thanks for pointing it out!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
  
== Wiki doesn't render correctly in the Vector Skin ==
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== Full names in past revisions of [[Frozen Coco]] ==
  
Is this happening for anyone else? <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 20:19, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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Although the page is now a redirect to [[Collaboration]], past revisions of the page [[Frozen Coco]] contains full names of several Scratchers. Should those revisions be deleted (an instance of a Scratchers's full name that was their past username was deleted from the list of curators page on this wiki)? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
:Could you mention some specific problems? There are inevitably going to be problems with, for example, people's userpages (e.g. my sidebar makes my userpage look bad in the vector skin), but what problems are you seeing? {{e|:)}} More people use ScratchWikiSkin, though, so at the end of the day more attention is going to be focused on that. Thanks!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 22:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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:I'd think yes, since the full names in [[Collaboration (group)]] were removed by someone who was mentioned in the article. However, this would also mean that several revisions of [[Collaboration (group)]] would have to be deleted too.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
::Random articles looked fine to me while using the vector skin, though I didn't look closely.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 22:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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::I've left a message on Ken's talk page referring him to this discussion. Thanks for pointing this out, Jammum!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
:::Whole pages have cut-off text on my Mac. <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 22:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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:They '''should''' be deleted according to [[CG]] except like [[User:mtwoll]] and [[S:DISCORD]]. I think if someone wants to delete, admins can delete them; but no more than that.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 17:27, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
::::Which browser are you using? Also, could you post a screenshot?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 22:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::I'd like to delegate a little - could someone with more time or willpower find the specific (inclusive) start and end revisions where full names are mentioned, so that I can delete all the ones in between? Thanks.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent}}I use Chrome, and I'll get up a screenshot soon. <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 13:48, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::Yep! [[Special:Diff/72761]] to [[Special:Diff/238261]]. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Thanks, I hid all the revisions between them (inclusive) and also found the revisions in [[Frozen Coco]] that had full names myself and hid those. Thanks to everyone for your efforts and escalation! {{done}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::::(Bigpuppy, now that you're admin you can handle issues like this yourself as well, just so you know {{e|:)}}){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 12:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
  
== Scratch MIDI notes ==
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== Promoting Bigpuppy ==
{{done|Done, though articles mentioning MIDI must be updated}}
 
  
Everywhere I look says that [[MIDI]] has 128 notes, from 0 to 127. However, Scratch can play up to note 130 with the [[Play Note () for () Beats]] block, so I'm pretty confused. Does Scratch use MIDI? What is it doing? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 21:31, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
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Hi all,
:The Community Portal is a place to add questions or suggestions about the Wiki, not Scratch. You may want to ask this in the [[scratch:discuss/31|Advanced Topics]] forum. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 01:37, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::VFDan, I interpreted the question as something they were asking so that they could ''improve'' the wiki, though I might be wrong. However, the talk page of that article may be a better place to ask.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:44, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:Scratch used MIDI until Scratch 2.0, and there are indeed 128 notes from 0 to 127. The notes would be synthesised by software on one's computer, and there are 128 General MIDI instruments. (It's also possible to use an electronic synthesiser, but I don't think that was ever an end-user feature.)
 
  
:Since Scratch 2 Scratch no longer uses MIDI, but offers 21 sampled instruments. (I think I read somewhere that the Scratch Team was dissatisfied with the MIDI synthesis offered by Flash, or something along those lines, but I don't remember the details so please don't take that as fact.) In Scratch 2 there are still only 128 notes, but Scratch 3 offers 131. Though as mentioned this discussion doesn't quite belong here.<scratchsig>Jonathan50</scratchsig> 01:48, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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We, (some of) the current Experienced Wikians, admins, and bureaucrats, have been in discussion.
::Mostly I was asking so that I could update [[Template:MIDI Notes|this template]], but it might apply to other articles, especially if Scratch is no longer using MIDI. Should I move the discussion over there somehow? Although you answered it pretty well. Do you have any sources saying that Scratch doesn't use MIDI anymore? It would be really helpful.<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 01:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::[[topic:123358|Here's]] a topic, and there is the source code for [https://github.com/LLK/scratch-flash/blob/master/src/primitives/SoundPrims.as Scratch 2] and [https://github.com/LLK/scratch-vm/blob/develop/src/extensions/scratch3_music/index.js Scratch 3].<scratchsig>Jonathan50</scratchsig> 03:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Thanks a ton! {{e|:)}} <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 14:09, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Blocked Accounts ==
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{{user|Bigpuppy}} has been an excellent and active EW, as I'm sure anyone in the community can agree (and judging by [[S:TT|Thankful Thursday]] contributions, some people agree to quite a large extent). However, at times it seems that he is limited by the lack of tools he has access to - protection, in particular, comes to mind as something he still has to ask higher-ups for, when really it's a day-to-day task that he is perfectly capable of handling himself.
  
My account got blocked for reasons that I would not like to discuss here, is it still safe for me to be on the Wiki? <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 13:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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With that in mind, we think it's in the best interest to give bigpuppy the sysop usergroup. However, since this is more out of context than most other promotions that have happened in history, we've decided to use the precedent that scmb1 set when promoting jvvg: put it to a vote.
:From [[Ban]]:
 
  
:"Although the Scratch Wiki is an official Scratch project, bans on the Scratch Website do not apply on the Wiki. However, if a user is banned on the Scratch Website and continues their behavior on the Wiki, then they will be banned until unbanned from the main site." So, I think you're probably okay {{e|:)}}.<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 14:01, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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'''Vote''' {{done|Yes}} '''or''' {{not done|No}} '''for whether to promote bigpuppy to administrator.''' There's no particular voting period, I'll just make the decision after I think enough people have voted to make the community opinion clear.
:::Thank you! I was wondering if I had to wait and wait and wait... <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 14:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Where's the CSS cheatsheet? ==
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I'll start: I vote {{done|Yes}}.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Yes}} - definitely! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Yes}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Yes}} - Absolutely, Bigpuppy has been a great EW!{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 07:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::Bigpuppy, you can vote for yourself too, by the way - if you don't want to be an admin, just vote no and we'll forget the whole thing. I don't want to thrust administratorship upon you without your consent. I will, however, assume you're happy to be admin.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::{{done|Yes}} I completely agree. <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 12:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::{{done|Yes}} 100% Yes<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 13:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::{{done|Yes}}! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 13:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::::{{done|Yes}} definitely<scratchsig>Godslamb</scratchsig> 16:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}}{{done|Yes!}} Absolutely, he's really helpful! <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 16:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|yes}}{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 17:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::{{done|Yes}} We truly wouldn't know what we'd do without you. {{smile}} <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::I'm not going to vote, since that feels odd, but I feel like I should say ''something:'' thank you for the opportunity, Ken and everyone else. Whether or not this vote comes out as successful, I will know that whatever gets decided is what the community thinks is best. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::The community has spoken, and all I see is overwhelming approval. {{done|Bigpuppy, you have now been made an admin!}} You can take a look at the new permissions you have [[Special:ListGroupRights#sysop|here]]. I'm sure you will do well with them. Thank you for all your contributions to date, and here's to many more!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Well done Bigpuppy! You deserve it! {{e|:)}} <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
  
Title. <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 15:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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== Raspberry Pi Extensions ==
:Are you talking about [[Scratch Wiki:Cheatsheet]], or another cheatsheet? I'd assume another cheatsheet, because that's a wikitext cheatsheet (not a CSS cheatsheet), but it's the most common "cheatsheet" people think of on this wiki.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:25, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::: There's [[Help:CSS]]. Is there anything specific that you need help with? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 16:53, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Discussion Invitation System ==
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According to [https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/scratch-3-desktop-for-raspbian-on-raspberry-pi/ this], there are 3 [[Scratch Extensions]] that are only available on the Raspberry Pi offline version of Scratch. They are a GPIO extension, a Sense HAT extension and a Simple Electronics extension. Would they be notable enough to have Wiki Articles about them? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 10:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
{{not done}}
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:Wouldn't that be a violation of [[S:NOSP]]? <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 14:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 
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::If I know right, Scratch Wiki isn't accepting user-generated extensions anymore except the old ones. Also, I'm not sure about notability.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 15:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)<small>(edited)</small>
Hi folks! On the topic of reviving [[S:CPND]], I have another suggestion. My previous suggestion (collapsing discussions) got implemented, but it is a very minor change. As someone who usually updates the featured images, I was thinking about a discussion that I personally would like people to participate in, [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]]. That specific discussion has been going on since August 2018 and it hasn't yet come to a conclusion.
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:::@Garnetluvcookie {{-}} it says in the article that Jammum linked "... Scratch 3 was released in January this year, and since then we and the Scratch team have put lots of work into creating an offline version for Raspberry Pi." If the Scratch Team was working on it too, I think that it is not a violation of [[S:NOSP]].
 
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:::@ahmetlii {{-}} Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's for user-generated Scratch extensions (e.g. [[Insanity (Scratch modification)|Insanity]]). We still have articles about things like the [[Pen Extension]] and [[Video Sensing Extension]].
I think I've come up with something that may help solve the Not Done problem. Well, I didn't exactly come up with it, because I got the idea from Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:WP:Feedback request service|Feedback request service]]. As I understand it, with Wikipedia's Feedback request service, when a discussion needs an outside editor to provide comment, a bot comments on the talk page of someone who has added their name to the list. I'd like to make it clear: '''my suggestion would not require a bot.''' Wikipedia needs stuff like that because it's giant.
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:::@Jammum {{-}} I'm not sure whether they are notable enough either. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 
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:::: I would say that anything in ''official Scratch releases'' is beyond question of notability, even if only available on some platforms, it is not user-generated content. <br /><small>''-unsigned comment by {{user|Naleksuh}}''</small>
Basically, when a discussion is going stale or needs a few more editors to provide feedback, a proactive editor can comment the Discussion Invitation template (currently at [[User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/Template]]) on a few user talk pages of people who have signed up to be invited to discussions.
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{{outdent|5}}
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Changed "the extensions" to "user-generated extensions". Sorry for confusion. :){{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 10:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:RPi extensions must be documented, because they were worked on by the ST themselves. Naleksuh and Bigpuppy are correct here. Please go ahead and make those articles. My only RPi uses Raspbian Lite with no desktop, so I can't look at the extensions myself, unfortunately - if anyone has the full Raspbian on an RPi, I'd love to see some info on the extensions!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
  
Here are some examples of when this would be useful:
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== Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically ==
* For asking editors to participate in a [[S:CP]] or [[S:CPND]] discussion that has gone inactive or that has a deadline
 
* For asking editors their opinion on a discussion on the talk page of an article that only a few people are participating in
 
 
 
I think this will help with more than reviving [[S:CPND]], though {{-}} it will help on ''any'' discussion that isn't getting the attention it deserves.
 
  
I've decided to start this program up in my userspace, though if people like it maybe it can be moved to project space (the Scratch Wiki namespace). The list of people who have signed up is currently at [[User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/List]] (as of writing, only me). If you'd like to sign up, please do!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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{{not done}}<br/>It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
:I think this is a great idea! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 19:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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:TemplatesFTW [[Special:Diff/254239|already does that]]; or do you mean a different way of automating it? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
::It could be a good idea, but I'm not sure that it's really matter. As you said before, Wikipedia is a big place and a lot of discussion creators in [[S:CPND]] is inactive/quitted Scratch. Also, I think a lot of the discussions are not necessary. For example, are you think "Secret Compliments" important today? Also, asqwde has been inactive since 8 months.
 
::I'm supporting main idea, also it can be helpful for usual stuffs, but also nobody cannot use it for old Not Done topics. Additionally, I suggest another idea; Scratch Wiki could have multiple portals. For example; Scratch Modifications portal, Extensions portal, etc. Maybe not for now, but it could be helpful when discussions are too much.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Well, I don't think that it matters that some people in [[S:CPND]] are inactive; that doesn't mean their discussions aren't relevant anymore. As for the discussions that you don't think are relevant anymore, like "Secret Compliments," you should discuss that in the appropriate section at [[S:CPND]] and make sure people agree with you. You could get people to add to the discussion on whether they are relevant anymore using the system I suggested {{e|;)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::I just used the system on the talk pages of the two people (other than me) who signed up:
 
::::* [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie#Invitation to discussion]]
 
::::* [[User talk:Groko13#Invitation to discussion]]
 
::::Keep in mind that in the future, people would not message everyone on the list (because hopefully lots of people sign up!), but rather message the number of people that they need.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::I'm happy to see people using the system already! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::Also, I added {{t|open userpage}} to all of the Discussion Invitation System pages except the template, so feel free to improve any of them!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}Oh yes, I remember when I first suggested that. I was thinking about it recently actually - what a coincidence!
 
  
I would like to add my name to the list, however one quick thing: why do we link to our Scratch profiles and not our Wiki profiles, or perhaps our Wiki talk page? Surely linking to our userpage would make a lot more sense, unless there is a specific reasoning for not doing this that I am not understanding.
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== Suggestion: Have a dedicated page for feedback on the account request system ==
  
In any case, I think this is a fantastic idea. Glad to see it's working already! Thanks for taking this on, bigpuppy. :){{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:Where do people link to their Scratch profiles? On the list page, we are using the {{t|user}} template, which adds a link to the user's userpage and talk page. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 
::Wait, nevermind. I saw <code><nowiki>{{users}}</nowiki></code> in the code, and mistook it to be the new <code><nowiki>[[users:]]</nowiki></code> interwiki, which points to their Scratch profile. Whoops!{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 23:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== When are we planning to implement [[User:jvvg/sandbox|the new Flawed Article]]? ==
 
 
{{not done}}
 
{{not done}}
  
Per title.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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I was browsing through some old CP archives, and one of the topics reminded me of a suggestion I thought of earlier. My suggestion may have been partly inspired by an account request I reviewed that included feedback on the account request system.
:Maybe you should ask jvvg. Has there been a discussion about it elsewhere? I'm not sure if the article is finished yet.<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== More Featured Images! ==
 
  
{{not done}}
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Currently, I leave users one of two messages if I accept their account request. I use this one if their request meets all the requirements already (I have preserved the external links, since this is how I post it on the Scratch website):
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{{quote|Hello, (USERNAME). Congratulations - your Scratch Wiki account request was accepted! You can log in here with the password sent to your email address: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Login Begin here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:NEW Make sure to follow the guidelines, shown at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:GUIDES. If you have questions, visit https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:FAQ and if they aren't answered there, feel free to ask me or any other Wikian! Have fun!}}
  
The featured images were just updated, so does anyone have any new suggestions for next time? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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Now, some people inevitably miss something in [[S:CONTRIB]]. When we're reviewing account requests, and someone seems to have put in effort and has not missed too much of S:CONTRIB, we first put their request on hold. We comment on their profile and ask them further questions. If they satisfy the requirements after replying to our comment(s), we accept their request. This is all outlined in [[Scratch Wiki:Become a contributor/Admin Guide]].
:Here's two images: [[:File:Transparent_Stamps.png|1]] and [[:File:Gobo_Keychain.jpg|2]]. I don't know if these have been used in the past or not. Maybe we should start keeping a list. Is there any rule against reusing images? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 
::If images have the {{t|featured}} template on them, they have been used before. That said, there may have been some times where we forgot to add that template.
 
::As for whether there's a rule against re-using images, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing the {{t|featured}} template doesn't support such a case currently.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Okay, thanks! Before I thought that the template was only for WW articles. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 18:03, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== [[Special:Diff/149186|jvvg's "temporary" solution]] ==
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This is the comment I leave on people's profiles if I first put their request on hold and then accept it:
{{not done|It will be solved asap, thanks to jvvg}}
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{{quote|Thanks, that's all. Congratulations - your Scratch Wiki account request was accepted! You can log in here with the password sent to your email address: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Login Begin here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:NEW Make sure to follow the guidelines, shown at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:GUIDES. If you have questions, visit https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:FAQ and if they aren't answered there, feel free to ask me or any other Wikian! Have fun!}}
[https://futuresight.org/wikiaccountrequest It is] still working. I'm not sure that I can request an account with the link (I'm not using another user).{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 15:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Should we delete never used bot accounts? ==
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Some Experienced Wikians have a slight variation of this message, but we all link them to [[Special:Login]], [[S:NEW]], [[S:GUIDES]], and [[S:FAQ]] (or other shortcuts that link to those pages). Now, why am I mentioning the messages that I use when accepting someone's account request? Well, because those may be changed if my suggestion gets implemented.
  
For example: [[user:Tweaker]], [[user:ThisIsAnAccount]], [[user:Bot807]]. They had never used, or in a few edits with a human edit. So, I think to send a message to developers of the bots.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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What is my suggestion? Well, in short, I think we should have a dedicated page for feedback on our account request system. As a wiki, we should always be looking to improve; and this is a way to do it. People can already give feedback on the account request system (or anything else wiki-related, for that matter) in the CP, but feedback is not actively facilitated. This is why I think we should have a dedicated page.
: [[Special:RequestAccount]] says that Wiki accounts cannot be deleted. Also, some of those bot accounts' owners might be inactive on Scratch. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 15:10, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 
::I'm talking about ban accounts or we should say "this bot is inactive". For example, look at here: [[wikipedia:Template:Retired]]{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 15:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== New Wikian ==
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This page would be specifically designed to be easy-to-use for people who are new to the Scratch Wiki and wikis in general. Users would be able to click a link or button, and the "new section" interface would be filled with a form where they could insert their feedback. The user's signature would be automatically inserted at the end. It would be similar to [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?title=Scratch_Wiki_talk:Elections/October_2019/Nominations&action=edit&section=new&preload=Scratch_Wiki_talk:Elections/October_2019/Nominations/Template the link users click] to nominate themselves for an EW election.
So I noticed that I am a New Wikian. But... how do I become a wikian? Is it similar to main scratch, or totally different?
 
<scratchsig>-Exphire-</scratchsig> 21:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:[[Scratch Wiki:Wikians]] has the information you're looking for. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:06, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Are there rules on this Wiki about sockpuppeting similar to the ones on Wikipedia?  ==
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However, I don't think that the page should just ''exist'' {{-}} I think we should actively make New Wikians aware of it. When someone gets accepted, the account request system is fresh in their mind, and they may have some ideas on how to improve it. However, they may not know where they can put that feedback, or may be too nervous to make us aware of it. My first thought was to add a link to the page to the messages used when accepting users. If we feel that that already has too much information, we could also add it to [[S:WELCOME]].
 
 
Just wondering. {{e|:)}}<scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 19:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:We have a very simple policy on alternate accounts: you can't have them unless you're a bot owner. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 22:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Constructiveness in Community Portal - An Idea ==
 
 
 
Hello there!
 
 
 
In case you didn't know, I'm a Forum Helper (https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/3688309/) on Scratch, which means I help a lot on the the Scratch discussion forums. One day, I headed over to the Community Portal and it seemed like a sort of "discussion forums" within the Scratch Wiki, and I understand that the concept is different, but for me it personally seemed that way.  
 
 
 
Anyways, I mostly help around a lot on the Suggestions forum, which, yet again, redirects to the Community Portal since there are a lot of suggestions for the Scratch Wiki here. One difference is though, that the Scratch Team and some Scratchers (like me) enforce the rule of "constructiveness" while making posts, and I'm pretty sure most of you know what that means but I'll just clarify:
 
 
 
* It means that one does not simply post "Support!", "Good idea!", or "+1!" and explains why they like the suggestion, that they provoke discussion, and look for possible issues instead of continuosly leaning on one side, like "I love this suggestion" or "I hate this suggestion"
 
 
 
* It means that one does not simply add one sentence to act as if their post is constructive. For example, "Support, because this might be useful for many Wikians!" seems constructive but it isn't really constructive, because they're not stating how it would be useful for many Wikians or why it would be.
 
 
 
Now, I've been looking around in the CP, and I've been seeing a couple of responses just saying "+1!" or merely "Support!" without provoking any further discussion and merely showing your satisfaction. So I thought, maybe, we could enforce the constructive rule on the CP as well. Especially because the ideas here much more mature and complex, and not like Scratch where it's just new blocks or random new features.  
 
  
I do agree that many people are already following this rule, but maybe just enforce it more? I do think it'll be incredibly helpful for the type of suggestions being given here.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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Of course, all of this is subject to change. What do y'all think of this idea? Is it a good one? A bad one? Do you have any ideas to make it better? Everyone's feedback is equally valued. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:[[Project talk:Become a contributor]] <br /><small>''-unsigned comment by {{user|Naleksuh}}''</small>
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::Thanks for your comment. However, did you read my whole suggestion? That page does not include everything I suggested. Plus, my suggestion would not encompass feedback on ''just'' [[S:CONTRIB]], but also on the [[Special:RequestAccount]] interface, how we manage account requests, etc. {{e|:)}} Thank you for reminding me of that page, though! {{e|:)}} <br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::: I understood what you were saying. However it may have been my fault for including only a link instead of an additional explanation. My point here was that I do not believe a whole new page is necessary, but that the existing page should suffice, and that discussions there can be extended to this new ground (since Special pages do not have talk pages). b<br /><small>''-unsigned comment by {{user|Naleksuh}}''</small>
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::::Alright. So, assuming that we would not create a whole new page, but rather extend that page to be about feedback on the account request system in general, what do you think of my other suggestions (e.g. actively facilitating feedback, making the page easy to use even for people new to wikis, etc.)? Thank you for your quick response, by the way {{-}} it is greatly appreciated. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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    • Make a link to an article on this wiki with [[Page name]] or [[Page name|Link text]].
    • Make a link to a Wikipedia article with [[Wikipedia:Page name]] or [[Wikipedia:Page name|Link text]].
    • Indent a paragraph by putting a colon (:) before it.
    • For more, see the help page on formatting.
  • Put new text under old text.
  • Always remember to be polite and respectful, assume good faith, and be welcoming, while following the Scratch Community Guidelines.
  • When creating a new post, mark it as No Not done by putting {{not done}} at the top. Once the conversation has been resolved, replace it with {{done}} (producing Yes Done).

Contents

Bulletin Board for Not-Done Topics

No Not done (this will never be done completely, so don't archive!)

Threads that need "long time and hard work" will not be archived, but moved to S:CPND.

Here's some things that we need your help for.

Other Topics

Topics that are not listed above.

About Scratch 3.0

About Wiki Management

Backend
Page Management
Rules
Interwiki

To make sure that your thread will not be archived put the template No Not done at the top.

Don't forget to replace it with the Yes Done template when the thread is finally finished.


Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Done.
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

No Never Done

See dedicated subpage
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Tinkercad Codeblocks

Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
LiamSapp123 (talk | contribs) 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Maybe we should have one about Blockly
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I agree that we should make one on Blockly.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
No Further discussion needed
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Scratch program image

No Not done
The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
Mohie (talk | contribs)

Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.
-unsigned comment by 12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this?
TenType (talk | contribs) 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.


Mohie (talk | contribs) 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Adventure

No Not done

On Wikipedia, there is an option for new Wikians to complete the Wikipedia Adventure. This teaches them skills and covers all the basics of using Wikipedia. I think it'd be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Adventure of our own to teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki. This would include editing tips, rules, etiquette, etc. I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this idea and/or if anyone would like to work with me on creating this.
54329 (talk | contribs) 17:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

+1 :D
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
I hope you're prepared to put in the amount of work involved, because The Wikipedia Adventure is really involved (I've done it once before) and a lot of stuff has to be created for it to work. I like the idea, but I don't know if anyone here has the follow-through to actually focus on a project like this that could take a week or more to make.
If you think you can commit yourself (and furthermore get others to commit themselves) you can make a Scratch Wiki Project of it. Good luck!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Woohoo; we got bureaucratic approval! I think we can do it (maybe not as well as the Wikipedia Adventure, but still good). I'll start thinkin' up some basic ideas to start us off. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know on my talk page. :)
54329 (talk | contribs) 05:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Isn’t this going to be a duplicate of the welcome tutorial?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 06:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
No, the Wikipedia Adventure is really involved and more interactive.
TenType (talk | contribs) 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Adding on, when I did it, it felt a lot more like a game/activity than a guidebook. It allows the user to actually collaborate, talk to people and create/edit a page all in a sandbox setting. It helped me learn the basics of Wikipedia far more than a guide could (probably because I was really interested in it and getting those shiny badges was nice).
54329 (talk | contribs) 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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SWP 003 - Scratch Wiki Adventure
DescriptionStatusOwnerStartedLinks
Create the Scratch Wiki Adventure "game" to help teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki in a fun, interactive setting. Creating files for interactive tour...
  • Owner: 54329
  • Assigned:
    • TenType
    • 12944qwerty
    • Apple502j
    • Scratch-Coding
    • Jammum
    • Dominic305
    • JJBullet
    • Kenny2scratch
    • Nambaseking01
    • GrahamSH
    • ahmetlii
11/21/2019Project results
Project page
Project discussion


Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I can help some tech stuff maybe?
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 17:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
I can help too!
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:33, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
I want to help too, so should I add myself or should 54329 do it as he's the owner?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  01:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
In reply to both of you: Thanks for offering to help out! I'll add both of your names to the list. For future people that wish to help: feel free to just add your name under the "Assigned" section.
54329 (talk | contribs) 05:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at User:Bigpuppy/Quests. :) It seems like this would be very different than that, though. Cool-cat-emoji.png Good idea!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────That's super cool that you made a quests page. This will be semi-similar. Feel free to stop by if you have any ideas for it. wink wink
54329 (talk | contribs) 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC) We could make a scratch project and link it when people get welcome notficiations on their talk page.
ACS_Scratch_admin (talk | contribs) 14:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

2.0 Image Updating

A lot of images here need updating to 3.0. For example, the editor in the TOC, many Scratch Cats, etc. When will this be done?
Scramaso (talk | contribs) 10:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I've asked an admin to update the TOC image. Not sure about the other ones.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 16:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
There's not a set time when this will be done. It will be done gradually. Any time you see an image that needs updated, feel free to update it (but be sure to compress, crop, etc. the file).
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
01:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Why won’t this table work?

No Not done

Link: User:Waffle_Iron_Studios/ScratchNet shop page
Waffle_Iron_Studios (talk | contribs) 21:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I think it's because the table does not have any line-breaks. See this.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Mention that the Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in German

Currently, the links under the 'Legal' category do not are not mentioned that they are in German. I suggest that the footer mentions that the content under the Legal category are in German.

Without mentioning that, some people might be confused that they are in German, and not English. They also cannot be translated into English without it being inaccurate.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 13:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Why would they be German?
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 16:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
The Wiki servers are located in Germany and therefore follow the rules/regulations of Germany.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Would you be amenable to using the external link marker on them instead? Putting "(German)" on a footer link seems unorthodox...
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
The servers are German because they are owned by Martin Wollenweber, who lives in Germany.
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Maybe the Privacy Policy and the Disclaimers can be individually labelled that they are in German, or is that still 'unorthodox'? They could have 'in German' put in brackets after them.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 13:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I think it's fine the way it is, but it should get translated for other wikis so we know what happens to our data.
-- Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,425)  Scratch  Directory 
17:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Did you read the OP? They can't be translated accurately.

Having a notice at the top of the actual pages saying something similar to what I say on my userpage (the "many other wikis link here" thing), ideally translated into everything, would also be fine for me - I'm only opposed to changing the footer.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki YT Channel

Hi everyone! I wanted to put a little feeler out there to see who was interested in participating/creating content for a possible Scratch Wiki YT Channel. We would publish wiki-like content within YT's video format. We could then link to this content from within the Wiki. You could for example create a Scratch tutorial, run-through a certain block or feature, or discuss a recent community venture you participated in. If y'all are interested in seeing this idea come to fruition, please comment to express your interest and volunteer yourself for content creation. Thanks!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I think that this would compete with the Scratch Wiki Adventure though...
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  15:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I don't really see much benefit in it. Why would we need this? We already have Wiki Wednesday.
-- Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,425)  Scratch  Directory 
15:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Well we would be able to produce varied content aside from Wiki Wednesday. People have also suggested tutorials for S:WELCOME to me privately. We'd be modeling it in some regards to Wikipedia's YT Channel.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 16:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm interested! But... What do you mean by "volunteer yourself for content creation"? Is there a specific page to apply?
Dilek's Wiki Signature Picture.pngDilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page
I'm interested too — I'd like to help make a few videos. I already have a YouTube channel but I can't share it because of my real name and face reveal. I'm just ten years, but I don't think that will affect anything as I enjoy talking on-camera and a lot of people tell me I have a talent for vlogging / gaming (not to brag though). I also have a Scratch tutorial series, so I already have some experience with it.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
I am interested, too! I have a channel already. How do I start?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 19:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Add a "sandbox" option in the user pull-down on the header

No Not done

My suggestion is above — that's pretty much it. When you click on your username, you would see your username, "Talk," "Preferences," "Watchlist," "Contributions," "Log out," and "Sandbox" thrown somewhere in there. "Sandbox" would direct you to your personal sandbox, not the public sandbox. If the user hasn't created their sandbox, it would direct them to the page to create it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like a cool feature. +1!
Dilek's Wiki Signature Picture.pngDilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page 17:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
I think it's a good idea, but I think we can create a disambiguation page rather than direct to the personal sandbox. However, +1!
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 18:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia has this, but this is actually harder to implement than you might think - the skin does not hardcode the user dropdown links, they are generated by MediaWiki itself. Adding the sandbox link would require a hook somewhere in LocalSettings.php and that might mess up some rhythms. There could be a link in the For Editors box, though! Special:MyPage/Sandbox is a handy link. What say y'all?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
18:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I think that's a good alternative then! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Good idea!
TenType (talk | contribs) 18:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── +1!:)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Ken, any update on this? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies

When Wiki Wednesdays are mentioned on the Scratch News on the homepage, some users' replies contain spam such as blockspam.

I suggest that at the end of each Wiki Wednesday initial post, it should say that when replying, users should not spam. It could also give the definition of what is considered spam (such as offtopic blocks, gibberish, emoji testing, etc.), so users will less likely be confused about what spam is (other than the food product of the same name), that spam could be reported, and that block testing and project advertisements go in the Forum blocks testing topic and the Show and Tell forum respectively.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 09:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

It's a good idea - and I agree with you, but I think that's not a exact solution manner. As an example, lots of announcements and sticky topics (Wiki Forum Community Portal) are getting blockspam; some people, like me, TenType, SausageMcSausage or ST, warn them, but I see a new spam everyday when I check Wiki Forum Community Portal. Also, nobody don't write aggressive posts for warn users; for example, don't write "DON'T MAKE BLOCKSPAM OR SOMEBODY MAY WARN YOU(ME OR ANYBODY ELSE)". I think WW could include a link to here.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
11:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


Discussion Invitation System

Yes Done

Hi folks! On the topic of reviving S:CPND, I have another suggestion. My previous suggestion (collapsing discussions) got implemented, but it is a very minor change. As someone who usually updates the featured images, I was thinking about a discussion that I personally would like people to participate in, Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions. That specific discussion has been going on since August 2018 and it hasn't yet come to a conclusion.

I think I've come up with something that may help solve the Not Done problem. Well, I didn't exactly come up with it, because I got the idea from Wikipedia's Feedback request service. As I understand it, with Wikipedia's Feedback request service, when a discussion needs an outside editor to provide comment, a bot comments on the talk page of someone who has added their name to the list. I'd like to make it clear: my suggestion would not require a bot. Wikipedia needs stuff like that because it's giant.

Basically, when a discussion is going stale or needs a few more editors to provide feedback, a proactive editor can comment the Discussion Invitation template (currently at User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/Template) on a few user talk pages of people who have signed up to be invited to discussions.

Here are some examples of when this would be useful:

  • For asking editors to participate in a S:CP or S:CPND discussion that has gone inactive or that has a deadline
  • For asking editors their opinion on a discussion on the talk page of an article that only a few people are participating in

I think this will help with more than reviving S:CPND, though — it will help on any discussion that isn't getting the attention it deserves.

I've decided to start this program up in my userspace, though if people like it maybe it can be moved to project space (the Scratch Wiki namespace). The list of people who have signed up is currently at User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/List (as of writing, only me). If you'd like to sign up, please do!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 19:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
It could be a good idea, but I'm not sure that it's really matter. As you said before, Wikipedia is a big place and a lot of discussion creators in S:CPND is inactive/quitted Scratch. Also, I think a lot of the discussions are not necessary. For example, are you think "Secret Compliments" important today? Also, asqwde has been inactive since 8 months.
I'm supporting main idea, also it can be helpful for usual stuffs, but also nobody cannot use it for old Not Done topics. Additionally, I suggest another idea; Scratch Wiki could have multiple portals. For example; Scratch Modifications portal, Extensions portal, etc. Maybe not for now, but it could be helpful when discussions are too much.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, I don't think that it matters that some people in S:CPND are inactive; that doesn't mean their discussions aren't relevant anymore. As for the discussions that you don't think are relevant anymore, like "Secret Compliments," you should discuss that in the appropriate section at S:CPND and make sure people agree with you. You could get people to add to the discussion on whether they are relevant anymore using the system I suggested ;)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
I just used the system on the talk pages of the two people (other than me) who signed up:
Keep in mind that in the future, people would not message everyone on the list (because hopefully lots of people sign up!), but rather message the number of people that they need.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to see people using the system already! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Also, I added {{open userpage}} to all of the Discussion Invitation System pages except the template, so feel free to improve any of them!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Oh yes, I remember when I first suggested that. I was thinking about it recently actually - what a coincidence!

I would like to add my name to the list, however one quick thing: why do we link to our Scratch profiles and not our Wiki profiles, or perhaps our Wiki talk page? Surely linking to our userpage would make a lot more sense, unless there is a specific reasoning for not doing this that I am not understanding.

In any case, I think this is a fantastic idea. Glad to see it's working already! Thanks for taking this on, bigpuppy. :)
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 15:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Where do people link to their Scratch profiles? On the list page, we are using the {{user}} template, which adds a link to the user's userpage and talk page. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Wait, nevermind. I saw {{users}} in the code, and mistook it to be the new [[users:]] interwiki, which points to their Scratch profile. Whoops!
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 23:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── How did I completely miss this? I've moved everything into official namespaces and cleaned up stuff a bit. Thanks for proposing!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! This CP topic is now Yes Done. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 03:08, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

When are we planning to implement the new Flawed Article?

No Not done

Per title.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you should ask jvvg. Has there been a discussion about it elsewhere? I'm not sure if the article is finished yet.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
I think it is done you should ask jvvg he made it
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 14:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

More Featured Images!

Yes Done

The featured images were just updated, so does anyone have any new suggestions for next time? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 03:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Here's two images: 1 and 2. I don't know if these have been used in the past or not. Maybe we should start keeping a list. Is there any rule against reusing images?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
If images have the {{featured}} template on them, they have been used before. That said, there may have been some times where we forgot to add that template.
As for whether there's a rule against re-using images, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing the {{featured}} template doesn't support such a case currently.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! Before I thought that the template was only for WW articles.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 18:03, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Since no one else gave any suggestions, here's three more: 1 2 3
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 01:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Groko13, which three of these do you think should be featured? I personally think File:Transparent Stamps.png, File:Gobo Keychain.jpg, and File:Video Sensing Extension.jpeg would be good. Do you think so as well, or do you have a different opinion? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Sure, that sounds good! Thanks for updating the images! :)
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:00, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yes Done, if you see an error please let me know. Thanks for suggesting these! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Constructiveness in Community Portal - An Idea

Hello there!

In case you didn't know, I'm a Forum Helper (https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/3688309/) on Scratch, which means I generally help out on the the Scratch discussion forums. One day, I headed over to the Community Portal and it seemed like a sort of "discussion forums" within the Scratch Wiki, and I understand that the concept is different, but for me it personally seemed that way.

Anyways, I mostly help around a lot on the Suggestions forum, which, yet again, redirects to the Community Portal since there are a lot of suggestions for the Scratch Wiki here. One difference is though, that the Scratch Team and some Scratchers (like me) enforce the rule of "constructiveness" while making posts, and I'm pretty sure most of you know what that means but I'll just clarify:

  • It means that one does not simply post "Support!", "Good idea!", or "+1!" and explain why they like the suggestion, that they provoke discussion, and look for possible issues instead of continuosly leaning on one side, like "I love this suggestion" or "I hate this suggestion"
  • It means that one does not simply add one sentence to act as if their post is constructive. For example, "Support, because this might be useful for many Wikians!" seems constructive but it isn't really constructive, because they're not stating how it would be useful for many Wikians or why it would be.

Now, I've been looking around in the CP, and I've been seeing a couple of responses just saying "+1!" or merely "Support!" without provoking any further discussion and merely showing your satisfaction. So I thought, maybe, we could enforce the constructive rule on the CP as well. Especially because the ideas here much more mature and complex, and not like Scratch where it's just new blocks or random new features.

I do agree that many people are already following this rule, but maybe just enforce it more? I do think it'll be incredibly helpful for the type of suggestions being given here.

wow... that's... long
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

While I understand what you're saying, I don't think it would be necessary to enforce constructiveness here. The discussion forums and Community Portal are two fundamentally different things. The Scratch Team has an extremely large userbase. Thus, there are many possible people contributing to discussions, and also many people that decisions will affect. It makes sense for there to be an expectation that people are constructive. However, as of writing, there are 72 active users on the Scratch Wiki. This is much smaller than the userbase on Scratch. And yes, you might argue that our "userbase" is not just our editors but also our readers; yes, but our editors are the ones who are supposed to make the decisions here.
Anyway, on the topic of having fewer active users on the wiki, it helps to see if someone supports your idea. And it matters, too. If multiple people like your idea, it probably has a better chance of being successful here. This is in stark contrast to the Suggestions Forum, where that is simply not true. This is why simply saying "support" or "no support" on that forum is not helpful, nor constructive.
In summary, yes, I think it would be helpful for people to provide a reason that they like or dislike an idea (perhaps we could recommend it), but I don't think it's necessary to enforce it. I don't think that it's fair to compare the convention here to the convention on the Suggestions Forum, because the CP is fundamentally different from the Suggestions Forum and the discussion forums in general. That said, if someone dislikes an idea, I think it is more necessary to provide reasoning than if they like it, as they are disagreeing with the reasoning provided by the OP, and thus need to provide their own reasoning.
So, to end this off, I agree that we should recommend it, but I disagree that we should enforce it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Good idea! I suppose that could work too.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Scratchblocks Plugin not Working

On any wiki page I go to that has the Scratchblock Plugin, all of the blocks end up half-rendered, except for the text. Are other people seeing this?

HalfRenderedBlockTextError.png
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

This does not happen to me - the bug might only happen to the device or computer you are using the Scratch Wiki on.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 14:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
This might not be of much help but have you tried realoding the page or freeing space on your computer/device sometimes when the tablet I use is out of space/storage everything malnfuctions
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 15:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
What device/OS/browser are you using?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
If you are using a phone it is probably because the screen is too small so the wiki malfunctions. If you are on another device then I think it is because your storage is full, so in that case you need to free up space.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm using Brave Browser on a Macbook Pro, with about 70GB left on the hard drive. I have tried both reloading and clearing the cache, to no avail.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 22:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, could you try using a different browser, like Firefox or Chrome? That might be the issue. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 23:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded

When custom welcome messages on new Scratch Wikians' talk pages are not transcluded from a templat (when the entire contents, including the formatting is copied and pasted onto the talk page), it could lengthen the talk page.

I suggest that there should be a rule (unless one already exists) requiring all custom welcome messages (this excludes the default Scratch Wiki welcome message) to be transcluded as a template (from the creator's userspace, obviously).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 16:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

#Standardized signatures Transcluded pages are loading slower, also the default welcome message is too big for transclusion.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Archive 106

First, sorry for not appearing on this Wiki! I'm kinda busy on jawiki and other stuff. Anyway it's the 106th archive time!

Things to archive:

Can these be archived as well?


Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 17:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Yay! 10milemoji.png Out of your "can these be archived as well" topics, here are the ones that I think can be archived:
If you disagree with any of those, please say so.
That leaves these ones that I'm not too sure about:

Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I archived the finished and inactive discussions.
maybe I archived so fast
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:33, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Ahmetlii, I think you archived some that shouldn't have been archived... such as: "Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded" (edit conflict with Ahmetlii)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Also, I think the admins (like Ken) are supposed to do the actual archiving?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
oopsI came Jammum's topic to here again.also edit conflict
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
There are some others too; I'm currently looking through the archive.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Should we do a bot for archiving? Yes, it's pretty Yes Done without a bot; but also I saw that I archived everything, nearly.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes Archived S:CPSYS
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

S:CPND

Yes Done

Can someone please help me find the problem at S:CPND? Everything is being collapsed by one of the topics... :/
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure why {{collapse bottom}} is not working at the bottom of Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Embedding of Scratch Projects...
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Looking in the page history, before this edit, everything seems normal. However, the problem is, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that edit, and I don't remember it being like this since that edit. Sometimes I just really dislike wiki formatting. :/ Thanks for trying to help fix it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Very strange, is the signature messing the page up somehow?
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I tried removing all instances of Ahmetlii's custom signature in my sandbox, and it kind of fixed the problem, but really just moved it to a different topic. :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
To everyone — free to edit my sandbox to try to find out what the problem is. Rules against editing posts don't apply there, so please don't copy and paste from there into S:CPND. This is purely to identify the problem.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
So, something I did in User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox fixed the problem. I removed a lot of people's custom signatures. The problem was fixed when I removed this code, I think:
<span title="{{Special:EditCount/Eribetra}} edits since 26/1/2017" style="color:#0000ff;font-family:Segoe UI, sans-serif;display:inline">{{#ifeq:|nobr||<br/>}}[[File:Eribetra%27s_Profile_Picture.gif|20px|link=User:Eribetra]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Eribetra}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border:1px solid black"><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span></span></span> 21:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
This is the code of Eribetra's custom signature — not sure why it wasn't transcluded.
The problem is, when I tried to remove just that code, it didn't fix the problem.
So I fixed the problem in my sandbox, now we just need to isolate what I did to fix it. :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Alright, I know for sure that there is something in User:Ahmetlii/sig that is causing trouble. Look at User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 3, then look at its source code.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I think I've fixed the issue!! 10milemoji.png
I think there were two things causing this:
  1. Something with the formatting of the "custom signatures" section. I don't know what, but if you read that discussion, Ken has tried to fix it as well.
  2. Something in Ahmetlii's custom signature.
I fixed the problem by:
  1. Moving the "custom signatures" section to its own subpage, Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done/custom signatures.
  2. Reverting Ahmetlii's custom signature to a previous version. I think it's okay that I edited userspace because the custom signature was adversely affecting other pages, though please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
10milemoji.png Good work!
TenType (talk | contribs) 21:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Good job bigpuppy! 10milemoji.png
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 14:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Talking through the mouse

Yes Done

I just want to know how you edit code so you can talk through someone's mouse. I've seen a lot of people doing it and I would love to know how!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 10:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

You can use the <span title> property — for example, <span title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</span> makes Hover over this text!
You can also do the same thing with <div title>; for example, <div title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</div> makes
Hover over this text!

Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks bigpuppy! I'll give it a go in my sandbox. Just had a go and it all works! Thanks, again.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 18:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

A flaw in the "Random Page" button I see

No Not done

So, I've been using the Scratch Wiki for almost 3 months without an account, and about 1 with, and I see a flaw in the "Random Page" button. Sometimes it links you to disambiguation pages, and I'm just wondering- is this really useful? Because most people (I'm assuming) who use the RP (Random Page) button just want to find an article they can revise or look at, and I find that whenever a disambiguation page while clicking the RP button, I just click the RP button again, and find an article. I have a suggestion, maybe have an option to toggle if you want to not go to disambiguation pages while clicking the RP button? Just a little suggestion.
Foxlife37 (talk | contribs) 23:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

See wikipedia:mw:Help:Random page; I think that since Special:Random is a built-in MediaWiki thing, this would require some sort of extension. That said, I'm no MediaWiki guru, so I could be wrong about that. An easy solution would be to put disambig pages in their own namespace; though this has the downside that they won't show up in search. Again, I'm not a MediaWiki guru, so I don't know whether there's an easy solution to that downside.
I really wanted to make a joke about not being able to play TenType's Disambiguation Dodge, but then I realized you were just suggesting a way to toggle seeing disambiguation pages...
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 23:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Haha, I was going to make that joke too! :P I don't think we should move disambigs to their own namespace though; that seems like quite a drastic change just to make sure that they don't show up via the Random Page button.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 23:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! I now have an idea that came from your answers. It's 100% not related to the problem, but it's definitely a cool idea! Oof so much happened. I had to re-write this because of an edit conflict, and I guess this is an example of an idea that came from a problem. And wow is this hard on a phone...
Foxlife37 (talk | contribs) 23:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Maybe we can add mw:Extension:Disambiguator (jawiki has it)
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 13:59, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Merging Cloud Data Articles?

I think that there are far too many articles on Cloud Data. I think these should all be merged or certain ones removed to reduce the amount of potential editing.
ContourLines (talk | contribs) 06:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Linking Style Sheets

Could anyone please tell me if it is possible to link style sheets similar to
<link rel="stylesheet" href="filename.css">
in HTML? If it is then could you please tell me how?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 18:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
It's "perfectly" impossible for the Scratch Wiki. It will need FTP server access. You cannot do it if you're not a bureaucrat.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
But why would I need FTP server access if the linked style sheet is on the wiki?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 19:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Wiki pages cannot run HTML codes itself.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
While this is impossible. You can, however, use your common.css file in your userspace which will effect the style of the wiki skin.
ContourLines (talk | contribs)
@Ahmelii, you are wrong. I suggest you to test it by yourself. @ContourLines, I am not asking about changing the style for only me; I am asking about changing the style for the contents of that page for everyone.
R4356th (talk | contribs) 11:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @R4356th, are you sure about that? I cannot run it in my CSS sheet, I will try again. Did you test it in the Wiki?
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I believe @Kenny2scratch might know. They seem to of effected the style of all their userspace.
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 18:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
You can not run the wiki on just html and css files. It needs the files that run the server accsept of it too like the php files.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  11:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Custom Signatures

Would it be a violation of S:USERSPACE to replace the contents of another user's custom signature which has all its code and formatting on the page itself with a transclusion of the template it is from?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 11:43, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Could you elaborate? I don't really understand, it is probably as I am new here.
ContourLines (talk | contribs) 15:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
I think it is, but I'm not entirely sure. Can you explain a bit more about it?
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:26, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Uploading Problems...

Yes Done
So, if you look here, you'll see my current profile picture on the scratch wiki. But it isn't working? The blue rounded rhombus square thing around it isn't loading. I've tried a lot, but it's not letting me use the one with the blue outline. I can't tell if I should just stick to the original non-rounded one, or is there something I can do. I've tried reverting it to older ones with the border, but it still won't work. I'm wondering if you can help me with this.
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

It seems to work for me! Could you try to define what isn't loading a bit more clearly? I'll do my best!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
For me the original one (the one without the rhombus) shows up, even when it's supposed to be using the rhombus one. So it looks like it has no rhombus around it. Does it show differently for you?
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I can see the rhombus. Maybe your device needs updating?
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Great, thanks! I might try logging out and into my account again. :D
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
*facepalm* Or I could just clear my cache. Okay, fixed! (I realised that just now I should hard refresh the page)
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Wow! I didn't know that I could actually fix a problem! Anyway, I'm glad it's fixed! ;)
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 16:01, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Yup! Thanks!
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 16:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

No problem! And considering I'm only a New Wikian(I've been here for 8 days) that's pretty good!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 16:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Some wikicode not working?

So my welcome template, which is here, has a border around it like this.

Example!

And with that, I made the whole welcome template in there. So far it was fine, but then I tried to do this - (not in the collapse it's just so it's smaller)

And the hello is supposed to be outside the box, plus the </div> is supposed to be outside the box and not show up? Idk, can someone look at the code and figure it out? Thanks if someone figures it out!
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 18:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I think any issues you are having are because you seem to have forgotten to close a span tag. See User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 2. Did closing it fix the problems?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I had another span tag open? Ah, thanks! I'll try and fix that now. :) Update from future me - It worked! (How did I not notice that..) Thanks!
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 19:04, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes Done
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Allow user-based scripts in Scratch Wiki

In last days, I developed a script for send S:DIS messages. So, I need to get permission for use and publish codes of the script - because I designed it for send messages, but specifically for Scratch Wiki. What do you think about that, should we use it or not?

Note Note: Also, this is the first topic about the usability of userscripts(not bots)

Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
14:00, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Personally, I don't mind allowing user-based scripts, but it is a good point to bring up for discussion. If there's no rules against it and you're doing things that the API allows, then it's probably okay (and it's all tied to your account, right? Letting anonymous users edits pages with bots would be pretty bad). I would definitely get a bureaucrat's approval though.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 20:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
For your question, yes, anonymous IPs or bots(if they are not approved by bureaucrats) cannot edit the Wiki through the API. So, if someone wants to use this tool, all of the responsibilities are on the user.
Actually, I'm concerned about for bureaucrats' opinions, because this is the first discussion about semi-automatic editors, etc.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
21:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
(This level of indentation is to reply to OP.)
You say you need to get permission to use the script - and yet you used it without permission?
User bots (different from userscripts) are completely disallowed. You must request a bot account to perform regular automated tasks. Your run of your bot was completely against guidelines.
That's not to say that userscripts (that is, Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey/similar-style JavaScript files or user JS files) are disallowed - only that API access from a user account is not allowed unless you have been approved to test your implementation of a bot you requested.
We bureaucrats are currently discussing whether we should disable API write access to all non-bot/EW accounts and if so how to allow it for users that are approved to test implementations.
What that basically means is you can use a userscript or user JS to prefill the text of your new topic for you, but you must make your edit through the user interface, not the application programming interface, unless you do so through a bot account or in the course of testing your implementation.
Please either make a bot request, switch to a userscript, or dismantle your project.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:33, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit Count JSON?

I don't really know how much relevance this has here but I was wondering if how I would get a user's edit count in JSON format. Where would that be located? Is there some API I should be using or something? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  02:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes Done Got a answer somewhere else
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  23:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Looks like I was too late for answer, but did you use ?format for it?
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
23:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Red text on popups for links?

I'm trying to be more active now :D
When hovering over a link, I see red text in it instead of black text, or the color that is supposed to be there. I looked at my User:12944qwerty/common.css and I removed the color:red part of it and refreshed cache but it is still present? Or is it supposed to be like this (which I doubt). This is what it appears for me: https://ibb.co/NT1ymNZ
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  04:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

This may happen because the linked page doesn't exist anymore. Is this the case for your links? Can you link the troublesome pages please?
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  17:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
It's happened to me before and the reason was the link did not exist as I had made a mistake in the code. I assume this is the reason for your problem too. It is probably because the page has been deleted for some reason or that you made the same mistake as me.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, that's odd. It's not like that for me. The text that isn't red is the right color though.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
All links (other than external) show up like that. They're all existing 100%. All links, including S:CP, S:CPND, etc are showing up like that for me.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Maybe try a different device if you can and see if that fixes it?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 21:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Even if it were to fix it, which I doubt as it seems to be an account problem (and it works properly on the wiki), I'd like the wiki to be able to work on all devices.
I checked Special:Preferences but there isn't anything there.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm going to need more reproduction information than that. I don't see anything out of the ordinary - hovering over your S:CP link behaves correctly with correct colors. I notice in your screenshot that only list items are red, while paragraphs are fine.
Sniff around with Inspect Element. Where is the styling that makes it red computed?
In the meantime, what's your browser and OS?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
20:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'm not able to access the inspect element area on this computer. I'll try switching to my other computer later.
I'm starting to see your point, but when I hover over my User:12944qwerty page I see this https://i.ibb.co/tQmvzQc/image.png . The CP's header is red for me, but all the other text is normal as you said.
Google Chrome OS Version 83.0.4103.119 (Official Build) (64-bit)
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

On further exploration, I've noticed that this mainly happens on MY pages. I haven't seen red text on anyone else's pages except for the headers, which are red.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I have switched to my other computer, and I still see the EXACT same thing. This is definitely an account problem
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Assumming, you're using ScratchWikiSkin, it's this CSS page. I added it to my common.css and it did the same thing for me.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 14:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Even more featured images!

No Not done

If you have suggestions, please reply here. (I really wish we had a dedicated page for this...)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I think that keeping it in here is better because more people come here more often than not. Keeping it elsewhere might not lead many people to suggest images.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
What about the dedicated subpage for logging server faults? It already has a link on the main CP, so we can just do a similar thing for more featured images.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, but once a server fault appears, people have motivation to log it so that it doesn't happen again.. In this case, people have to find an image, then go the CP, then to the link (unless bookmarked). Although I do see your point, I believe keeping it in the CP would have a lot more attention.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I think that if we do make a dedicated page, it could go in the "For Editors" bar next to "WW Suggestions."
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 15:43, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Here's a suggestion!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

How about this one? File:Save Picture.png :) It might be interesting to people that that used to be a feature.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Where should I discuss things related to the Test Wikis if I am not a user on it?

Yes Done
I wanted to discuss something involving one of the Test Wikis. However, I am not a Test Wiki editor (and I am not planning to join it because I am not fluent in any other language). Where should I discuss Test Wiki related topics?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 16:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I think you should start a forum post so you can discuss it on the main scratch website, as I think it would be off-topic to put it here or somewhere else.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
The Test Wikis are owned by the same owners of the Scratch Wiki. Also, I am going to wait for other users to answer this.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 17:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
The Wiki forum topic is an appropriate place, I'd say.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
20:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Your welcome to post on any of the international administrators talk pages and we'd be happy to answer a question or transfer your comment to the test-wiki community portal if appropriate.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 20:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your replies. I am going to go with what Ken wrote, so this topic is now Yes Done
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 05:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Naming Blocks

No Not done

When referring to Scratch's blocks within an article, what format should be used? Some articles follow the capitalization of the title (like Tempo (block)), some articles use all lowercase (like Abs () (block)), and some use the block plugin (e.g. Set Video Transparency to () (block)). If there's not a consistent format, then there probably should be one.

(Thanks to Naleksuh for bringing this up)
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I looked at the Editing Conventions, and they say that "capitalization for blocks remain the same as the title; for example, Tempo (block) changes to 'Tempo' and Project Downloading (1.4) changes to 'Project Downloading.'" If this is the case, should we change articles that don't follow this capitalization to match? What about articles that just use scratchblocks code?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I am okay with the block name the same as in the title, however I do think that this means the title system should be changed, as it is currently using incorrect grammar, unnecessary disambigs, and not even aligning with the actual names used in Scratch
For example:
* If on Edge, Bounce (block) will become "if on edge, bounce" (yes, titles that start with a lowercase letter *are* possible - can be done individually or via the infobox)
* Boolean Block will become "Boolean block"
* How to Move Sprites with the Arrow Keys will become "How to move sprites with the arrow keys"
* Advanced Topics (forum) will become "Advanced Topics"
* New Scratcher Status will become "New Scratcher status"
* Scratch Design Studio will stay "Scratch Design Studio"
Any objections? Naleksuh (talk) 18:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
It's ironic that I have to be this person this time.
I brought this up nearly 3 years ago, and most people agreed that capitalization here is not ideal. However, Scimonster, an admin who predates me by nearly 6 years, came out of inactivity just to push down the idea. He quoted JSO, a founder:
I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but I really think this is a change we should not put our efforts and time in. I think the titles look just fine as they are, but most importantly I think it's not worth either breaking every single link ever created to the wiki or messing up the wiki by creating hundreds of redirects.

– JSO

I appreciate your eagerness to improve the Wiki, but suggesting sweeping radical changes literal hours after being accepted is not the way to go about it.
Also, fight your own fights. Why did you make Groko bring it up instead of posting it yourself?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
20:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
So, we should make sure all pages follow the same capitalization as the title, correct? What about pages with scratchblocks code? Personally, I think we should change them if the scratchblock replaces the bolded words in the intro paragraph, like in Set Video Transparency to () (block), but leave scratchblocks elsewhere.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 04:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
"I appreciate your eagerness to improve the Wiki, but suggesting sweeping radical changes literal hours after being accepted is not the way to go about it." I do not appreciate the condescending tone here. Especially not when "literal hours" was all I needed to find that multiple blocks were named wrong for over a year and half. I try to be polite and informative. Granted sometimes I fail at this. This attempts neither.
I do not agree with the text's capitalization matching the title (although I also disagree with how the titles are, so this may be null to begin with). I also do not think blocks mixed with text is a good idea, especially in introduction. Naleksuh (talk) 17:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Misdirected Request error

Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! July 30th, 2020

Welcome to the 30th Thankful Thursday! July 30th, 2020.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

Bananaandchoc1 (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for improving so many articles, and for being so enthusiastic about editing the wiki!
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for helping those users who were not able to confirm their email after I asked, and for everything else you do!
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your amazing edits and helping so frequently, keep it up!
    Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
ahmetlii (talk | contribs)
Groko13 (talk | contribs)
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs)
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs)
  • You got into editing really quickly and made lots of cool edits! Keep it up!
    Groko13 (talk | contribs) 01:27, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your positive, outgoing, and helpful attitude towards editing the wiki! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
TenType (talk | contribs)
  • You're undeniably a great Experienced Wikian and a crucial part of this wiki. Thank you for patrolling, handling account requests, editing, and for everything else you do. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for coming back excited to participate in the community again. I'm looking forward to your future edits! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
jakel181 (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for running this wonderful fountain of positivity! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


The next TT is, August 27th, see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 05:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

No Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 05:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for posting, but this is last month's TT. You probably want to change that? :P
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 05:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
As the other informal runner of TT, I think jake doesn't mind if I edit the archive number in his post. Thanks for pointing it out!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Full names in past revisions of Frozen Coco

Although the page is now a redirect to Collaboration, past revisions of the page Frozen Coco contains full names of several Scratchers. Should those revisions be deleted (an instance of a Scratchers's full name that was their past username was deleted from the list of curators page on this wiki)?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 11:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd think yes, since the full names in Collaboration (group) were removed by someone who was mentioned in the article. However, this would also mean that several revisions of Collaboration (group) would have to be deleted too.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I've left a message on Ken's talk page referring him to this discussion. Thanks for pointing this out, Jammum!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
They should be deleted according to CG except like User:mtwoll and S:DISCORD. I think if someone wants to delete, admins can delete them; but no more than that.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
17:27, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to delegate a little - could someone with more time or willpower find the specific (inclusive) start and end revisions where full names are mentioned, so that I can delete all the ones in between? Thanks.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yep! Special:Diff/72761 to Special:Diff/238261.
TenType (talk | contribs) 03:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, I hid all the revisions between them (inclusive) and also found the revisions in Frozen Coco that had full names myself and hid those. Thanks to everyone for your efforts and escalation! Yes Done
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
(Bigpuppy, now that you're admin you can handle issues like this yourself as well, just so you know :))
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Promoting Bigpuppy

Hi all,

We, (some of) the current Experienced Wikians, admins, and bureaucrats, have been in discussion.

Bigpuppy (talk | contribs) has been an excellent and active EW, as I'm sure anyone in the community can agree (and judging by Thankful Thursday contributions, some people agree to quite a large extent). However, at times it seems that he is limited by the lack of tools he has access to - protection, in particular, comes to mind as something he still has to ask higher-ups for, when really it's a day-to-day task that he is perfectly capable of handling himself.

With that in mind, we think it's in the best interest to give bigpuppy the sysop usergroup. However, since this is more out of context than most other promotions that have happened in history, we've decided to use the precedent that scmb1 set when promoting jvvg: put it to a vote.

Vote Yes Yes or No No for whether to promote bigpuppy to administrator. There's no particular voting period, I'll just make the decision after I think enough people have voted to make the community opinion clear.

I'll start: I vote Yes Yes.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Yes - definitely!
TenType (talk | contribs) 05:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes - Absolutely, Bigpuppy has been a great EW!
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 07:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Bigpuppy, you can vote for yourself too, by the way - if you don't want to be an admin, just vote no and we'll forget the whole thing. I don't want to thrust administratorship upon you without your consent. I will, however, assume you're happy to be admin.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes I completely agree.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 12:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes 100% Yes
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 13:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes definitely
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 16:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yes Yes! Absolutely, he's really helpful!
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 16:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Yes
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  17:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes We truly wouldn't know what we'd do without you. :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm not going to vote, since that feels odd, but I feel like I should say something: thank you for the opportunity, Ken and everyone else. Whether or not this vote comes out as successful, I will know that whatever gets decided is what the community thinks is best. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
The community has spoken, and all I see is overwhelming approval. Yes Bigpuppy, you have now been made an admin! You can take a look at the new permissions you have here. I'm sure you will do well with them. Thank you for all your contributions to date, and here's to many more!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Well done Bigpuppy! You deserve it! :)
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Raspberry Pi Extensions

According to this, there are 3 Scratch Extensions that are only available on the Raspberry Pi offline version of Scratch. They are a GPIO extension, a Sense HAT extension and a Simple Electronics extension. Would they be notable enough to have Wiki Articles about them?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,276 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 10:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be a violation of S:NOSP?
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 14:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
If I know right, Scratch Wiki isn't accepting user-generated extensions anymore except the old ones. Also, I'm not sure about notability.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
15:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)(edited)
@Garnetluvcookie — it says in the article that Jammum linked "... Scratch 3 was released in January this year, and since then we and the Scratch team have put lots of work into creating an offline version for Raspberry Pi." If the Scratch Team was working on it too, I think that it is not a violation of S:NOSP.
@ahmetlii — Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's for user-generated Scratch extensions (e.g. Insanity). We still have articles about things like the Pen Extension and Video Sensing Extension.
@Jammum — I'm not sure whether they are notable enough either. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I would say that anything in official Scratch releases is beyond question of notability, even if only available on some platforms, it is not user-generated content.
-unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Changed "the extensions" to "user-generated extensions". Sorry for confusion. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
10:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

RPi extensions must be documented, because they were worked on by the ST themselves. Naleksuh and Bigpuppy are correct here. Please go ahead and make those articles. My only RPi uses Raspbian Lite with no desktop, so I can't look at the extensions myself, unfortunately - if anyone has the full Raspbian on an RPi, I'd love to see some info on the extensions!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically

No Not done
It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

TemplatesFTW already does that; or do you mean a different way of automating it? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Have a dedicated page for feedback on the account request system

No Not done

I was browsing through some old CP archives, and one of the topics reminded me of a suggestion I thought of earlier. My suggestion may have been partly inspired by an account request I reviewed that included feedback on the account request system.

Currently, I leave users one of two messages if I accept their account request. I use this one if their request meets all the requirements already (I have preserved the external links, since this is how I post it on the Scratch website):

Hello, (USERNAME). Congratulations - your Scratch Wiki account request was accepted! You can log in here with the password sent to your email address: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Login Begin here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:NEW Make sure to follow the guidelines, shown at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:GUIDES. If you have questions, visit https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:FAQ and if they aren't answered there, feel free to ask me or any other Wikian! Have fun!

Now, some people inevitably miss something in S:CONTRIB. When we're reviewing account requests, and someone seems to have put in effort and has not missed too much of S:CONTRIB, we first put their request on hold. We comment on their profile and ask them further questions. If they satisfy the requirements after replying to our comment(s), we accept their request. This is all outlined in Scratch Wiki:Become a contributor/Admin Guide.

This is the comment I leave on people's profiles if I first put their request on hold and then accept it:

Thanks, that's all. Congratulations - your Scratch Wiki account request was accepted! You can log in here with the password sent to your email address: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Login Begin here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:NEW Make sure to follow the guidelines, shown at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:GUIDES. If you have questions, visit https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:FAQ and if they aren't answered there, feel free to ask me or any other Wikian! Have fun!

Some Experienced Wikians have a slight variation of this message, but we all link them to Special:Login, S:NEW, S:GUIDES, and S:FAQ (or other shortcuts that link to those pages). Now, why am I mentioning the messages that I use when accepting someone's account request? Well, because those may be changed if my suggestion gets implemented.

What is my suggestion? Well, in short, I think we should have a dedicated page for feedback on our account request system. As a wiki, we should always be looking to improve; and this is a way to do it. People can already give feedback on the account request system (or anything else wiki-related, for that matter) in the CP, but feedback is not actively facilitated. This is why I think we should have a dedicated page.

This page would be specifically designed to be easy-to-use for people who are new to the Scratch Wiki and wikis in general. Users would be able to click a link or button, and the "new section" interface would be filled with a form where they could insert their feedback. The user's signature would be automatically inserted at the end. It would be similar to the link users click to nominate themselves for an EW election.

However, I don't think that the page should just exist — I think we should actively make New Wikians aware of it. When someone gets accepted, the account request system is fresh in their mind, and they may have some ideas on how to improve it. However, they may not know where they can put that feedback, or may be too nervous to make us aware of it. My first thought was to add a link to the page to the messages used when accepting users. If we feel that that already has too much information, we could also add it to S:WELCOME.

Of course, all of this is subject to change. What do y'all think of this idea? Is it a good one? A bad one? Do you have any ideas to make it better? Everyone's feedback is equally valued. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Project talk:Become a contributor
-unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
Thanks for your comment. However, did you read my whole suggestion? That page does not include everything I suggested. Plus, my suggestion would not encompass feedback on just S:CONTRIB, but also on the Special:RequestAccount interface, how we manage account requests, etc. :) Thank you for reminding me of that page, though! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I understood what you were saying. However it may have been my fault for including only a link instead of an additional explanation. My point here was that I do not believe a whole new page is necessary, but that the existing page should suffice, and that discussions there can be extended to this new ground (since Special pages do not have talk pages). b
-unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
Alright. So, assuming that we would not create a whole new page, but rather extend that page to be about feedback on the account request system in general, what do you think of my other suggestions (e.g. actively facilitating feedback, making the page easy to use even for people new to wikis, etc.)? Thank you for your quick response, by the way — it is greatly appreciated. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)