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Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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[[/Logging server faults|See dedicated subpage]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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| 8 August 2018
 
| 400 Bad Request<br/>503 Service Unavailable
 
| I was editing [[User:Kenny2scratch/common.js]], and when I clicked "save page" I hit a "400 Bad Request" error. I pressed the browser "back" button (thanks Chrome for caching form data), and clicked "save page" again, and I encountered "503 Service Unavailable". I went back again, resubmitted, and the edit went through.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 10:26 AM, 3 September 2018 (GMT)
 
| Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties
 
| I clicked on random page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 5:27 PM, 3 September 2018 (HKT)
 
| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties"
 
| I was literally attempting to edit this section. When I clicked the "edit" link, it brought me to a page that said:
 
<big>'''Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.'''</big><br/>
 
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.<br/>
 
<small>(Cannot access the database)</small>
 
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:You can try searching Google in the meantime.<br/><small>Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.</small>
 
{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 10:07-11:20 PM, 8 September 2018 (HKT)
 
| Major outage across all wikis
 
| Multiple screenshots: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987719411204102/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.08.33_AM.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487988142184595478/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.10.22_AM.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987682132230148/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987425193492492/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.07.28_AM.png][https://pastebin.com/jkxGm6P4 this is the most useful error][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487988331226071060/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487989244506144775/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487990014861377536/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487990367946407958/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/488005118428577792/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/488005028028874754/unknown.png]
 
  
Basically the database failed to connect for a while, causing all sorts of obscure errors. Specifically, at times the required "mysql.sock" file was missing. Looking at server configuration, the MySQL server had to restart itself 11 times during this time period.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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== Misdirected Request error ==
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{{not done|Moved to [[Scratch Wiki:Bugs]]}}<br/>
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Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
| Edit a user's talk page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:46, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
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::Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::I have this problem too, also on an iPad. I might have gotten it on my computer before, but I don't remember.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 11:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
| 4:40 AM, 2 January 2019 (CST)
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::::It happened on my Windows desktop just today. I think the Wifi disconnected when the screen turned off, maybe something similar happened to the iPads? <scratchsig>Jettypumpkin07</scratchsig> 11:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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| Trying to create a redirect page. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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== Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically ==
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| 4:58 PM, 8:02 PM, 10:22 PM, 10:25 PM @ 3 January 2019 (HKT); 12:46 AM @ 4 January 2019 (HKT)
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{{not done}}<br/>It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:TemplatesFTW [[Special:Diff/254239|already does that]]; or do you mean a different way of automating it? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
<br/>503 Service Unavailable
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::Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
<br/>File upload fail
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:::@ContourLines  {{-}} you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, [[S:STYLE]] says not to use the external link markup (see [[Scratch Wiki:Style Guide#internal-scratch-links|#internal-scratch-links]]). You can use <code><nowiki>[[users:USERNAME]]</nowiki></code> for users, <code><nowiki>[[studios:ID]]</nowiki></code> for studios, and <code><nowiki>[[projects:ID]]</nowiki></code> for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
| Frequent outages across all wikis. Most likely caused by traffic spike from 3.0.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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::::I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to [[S:STYLE]] (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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== [[How to Connect to the Physical World]] Is really outdated ==
| 9:12 AM, 4 January 2019 (CST) <br/> 9:17 AM, 4 January 2019 (EST)
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| "Service Unavailable Error [...]<br/>503 Service Unavailable Error"<br/>"508 Resource Limit Reached"
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[[How to Connect to the Physical World]] is really outdated. <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
| Trying to enter my talk, kept refreshing until worked, came to CP to log fault. Errors repeated until worked. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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:Please use internal links for links to other Scratch Wiki pages. As for this, maybe you could try to update part of it yourself? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
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::@Jammum Thank you for pointing out the usage of an external link. I've corrected the formatting so that @GrahamSH can see how it is done correctly (@Jammum please wait for an EW/administrator to correct if you see this elseware). @GrahamSH I would ask that you be more specific in the types of changes that we should collaborate in order to accomplish. Thanks <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 17:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
| 15:02:46, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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| Fatal exception of type DBQueryError
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== Would it possible to prevent users from using external links to wiki pages in the AbuseFilter? ==
| I was tring to go to the Community Portal and the website was taking a while to load and then I got the error. It went away after I refreshed the page. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 15:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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Question is in title. If this were to be implemented (if it even is possible), would it apply to all non-userspace or just mainspace? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 10:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
| 9:02 AM, 7 February 2019 (CST)
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:It's possible but I would never do this because sometimes there's a legitimate use for external links. Possibly an AbuseFilter warning, rather than disallow?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
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::I am asking about disallowing external links to other Scratch Wiki pages, not all external links. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 09:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
| Trying to go to [[How to Make a Typewriter Effect]]. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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:::There is sometimes a legitimate use for external links to the Scratch Wiki, e.g.: [{{fullurl:Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal|action=purge}}]
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:::Unless you're just talking about content pages. Still, though, there are probably some special cases where disallowing it would be inconvenient. A warning might be good, though. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
| 4:50 AM, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::: The fullurl template can be used for some of those links that cannot be linked normally, so does that solve the problem? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
| HTTP error: error
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::::: (Reviving this) I think if a user uses an external link to Scratch Wiki pages, the proper way to do a link to another Wiki page could be shown. The edit could either be warned or prevented. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
| Clicked the ''Show preview'' button while editing [[User:TenType/Header]], when it did not preview and received the error. Clicking the button again resolved the issue. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Allowing borders in custom sigs ==
| 11:00 PM, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
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| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
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I think we should allow borders in custom signatures. [[S:CSIG]] states that there shouldn't be borders in custom sigs, but so many people already have it in their signatures (kenny2scratch, 12944qwerty, EIephant_Lover, Dominic305, ahmetlii, ContourLines, ajsya, etc.) As long as the border isn't needlessly large or flashy, I believe it's fine. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 03:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
| Literally attempted to access en.scratch-wiki.info and a few other pages, when I received this:
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:I don't recall whether the rule disallows all borders. In either case, though, this is a conflict of interest because I see you have borders in your signature too...
<big>'''Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.'''</big><br/>Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.<br/><small>(Cannot access the database)</small>
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:I agree, but then again I have borders already as well. I'd prefer if some people without borders contributed an opinion.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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::I think it's fine as long as it's not too large or draws any extra attention to the signature. I'm not sure how large "too large" would be though. {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 15:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
:You can try searching via Google in the meantime.
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:::I agree too; I think also as long as it doesn't break lines (like text shadows) it should be allowed. But I'm biased too because I use them :P{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 16:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
:<small>Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.</small><br/>
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Waited for like 10 minutes while reloading and the error finally cleared.
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== Thankful Thursday! August 27{{th}}, 2020 ==
<scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 07:17, 25 June 2019 (HKT)
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 031}}
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| 08:25, 22 January 2020 (EST)
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
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| Tried to navigate to my userpage from another article, and got [https://ibb.co/qMqwN4M the error].{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 13:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
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The next TT is, September 25{{th}}, see you then!<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
| 13:26, 2nd April 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done}}<scratchsig><scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig>
| 2020-04-02 13:26:04: Fatal exception of type DBQueryError
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| Pressed the edit box on the wiki sandbox. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:31, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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== Time for some more...images that will be featured! ==
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{{not done}}
| Sometime around 22:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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| "MediaWiki internal error. Exception caught inside exception handler. [...]"
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I don't know, I had to think of another title idea. {{e|:P}}
| Clicked on the Recent Changes link on the sidebar, [https://cubeupload.com/im/bigpuppy/ScratchWikiErrorRC.png screenshot here]<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 22:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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If you have any ideas for [[Scratch Wiki Home/Featured Images|featured images]], feel free to post them below! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
| 22:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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:<s>I think we should feature an image of the [[S:CPND]] discussion that suggests adding a designated page for featured image suggestions.</s> {{e|:P}}
| "MediaWiki internal error. Original exception: [...]"
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| Was accepting an account, [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331669762121924608/695401315022536714/unknown.png screenshot here]
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:I think that [[:File:Comment Activity.PNG|this image]] is nice, but perhaps we should update it (and the other images on [[Scratch Statistics]]). {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 03:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
<scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 22:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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::I'm thinking [[:File:P2S_is_a_bunch_of_fluffy_kittens.PNG|this image]] is good enough to be featured.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 07:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::<s>@Groko13 {{-}} yes. {{e|:P}}</s>
:Could we have a dedicated page to that? <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
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:::How about [[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]]? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
::Nah, just here is fine.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
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::::+1, but first change the file's name with a consensus.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
:::{{not done}} <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 20:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
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:::::(Update: [[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]] is now [[:File:Report Project.png]].) {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
::::If it comes to the point of like many bugs, maybe we can make a page so that it is easier to navigate with. <small>(archives)</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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::::::[[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]] also needs to be updated, the report button was moved.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 01:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::Not too many right now.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}'''+1''' for the report project image!
::::::{{not done|Never done!}} Server faults will always come. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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<br/>@Dominic305 Added the template to [[:File:Report Project.png]]. Someone can update it if they wish. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
::::::Can we just keep things to UTC for the sake of simplicity?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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:{{done|Updated}} {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 18:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|::::::}}
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It's hard to convert times off the top of one's head - if you really want to know the time in your own timezone, convert it yourself, don't ask the logger to do extra work.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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== RfC about the usage of fixed with in ScratchWikiSkin2 ==
:Do we not have [[Scratch_Wiki:Known_Bugs|this?]]{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)20:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
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::Known bugs is for the php bugs (mw bugs). This is for the server fault (connection problems).
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Hello all. As you may have noticed, ScratchWikiSkin2 seems to used a fixed width (similar to Fandom's Oasis skin), as a holdover from previous skins designed to look similar to scratch.mit.edu -- however, I and several other users have noticed an increasing number of problems using fixed width. Fixed widths generally leave a large amount of the screen entirely unused, and show a small amount of the page content. It also introduces design problems that rely on fixed width and break for some users. The current, fixed width style, looks a bit like [https://i.imgur.com/xavOxGN.png this]. I am proposing to use free-styled width based on the screen resolution (a mockup something like [ https://i.imgur.com/UEd14yX.png this], ignore the blue line, that is accidental and will not be shown in the final version). This allows for a larger content space, as well as making the view more consistent across skins. Please let me know if you support or oppose this proposal. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 00:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
::Did you not get notified by ken's siggy warner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
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: Addendum: I would also appreciate if all could specify what skin they use when commenting? (The information is helpful, most are likely either using ScratchWikiSkin2 or Vector, but others like me primarily use Monobook). <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 01:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Known Bugs is for bugs that are consistently reproducible (actual bugs); this is for faults that occur, sometimes randomly, that are not reproducible or only happen once (glitches).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
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:I support. Fixed width looks <i>terrible</i>. (Reply to the addendum: I use SWS2) {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 01:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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:(SWS2 user) Consistency across skins is completely irrelevant - consistency with the Scratch website is more important. We use fixed width to emulate the mainsite, which does the same. If you want free width, you can make a user CSS file for it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: I personally am of the belief that consistency with the Scratch website is "completely irrelevant" -- this is a third party site with different needs and goals. This is where a lot of the design has been poured into as well, such as by changing the header to a different color. There does indeed appear to be support for increasing the width apart from Kenny2scratch's comment. However, custom CSS files are not relevant here as what is being discussed is not personal views (I use Monobook) but what would actually improve the skin, primarily to those logged out and browsing the wiki. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 17:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: I agree with the above statement. I have an <s>ebic gamer</s> HD monitor, and SWS2 is tiny on my monitor. There are at least 500 pixels of free space. It almost looks like it was designed for a tablet (it fits perfectly on iPadOS). This is the reason why I use Vector because it takes up almost all of my monitor space. You technically ''could'' make a CSS script for it, but the majority of users here (not everyone) don't know any other programming languages and/or markup languages than Scratch. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::If you like Vector, use Vector. If you like SWS2 enough to keep using it but also want non-fixed width, then use user CSS. For those not logged in, fixed width is what they get, because that's what they'll be used to from the Scratch website. I don't consider fill width an improvement, only a matter of preference. Find me examples of people (who have no relation to you) actually asking for fill width SWS on, say, the forums, and then it'll be more worth considering.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 15:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I support. While garnetluvcookie said it looks like it's designed for a tablet, personally I prefer setting zoom to 75% or 85% on most pages. However setting the zoom on the Wiki causes content to get squished and lots of tables (including on File: pages) to overflow into the empty space. And on my 1080p display, it looks like a site designed for computers from 2009.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Articles to update for 3.0 ==
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== Centralized Cross-Wiki Discussion ==
  
{{not done|Won't be done for a long time}}
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Hi everyone,
  
Hello everyone, it's already January 2nd for me, so I figure I might as well get the preparations started.
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Since all of the various Scratch Wikis are hosted on the same server and part of a common community, they have a number of things in common, including outreach efforts (such as Wiki Wednesday) and technical aspects. This means that some changes (especially technical ones) will affect ''all'' wikis, not just the Wiki for one language. We usually like to seek community feedback before implementing major changes, but currently there is no centralized place to do that between all languages. As a result, changes either do not get community input at all or just get input from the community for one language (usually English, i.e. this one). We do have the [[:tw:Test Scratch Wiki Home|Test Wiki]] for both new language-specific Wikis off the ground and coordinating cross-wiki stuff.
  
=== Observations/Edit Guidance ===
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Therefore, I propose making it so anyone who has an account on ''any'' language-specific Wiki may have an account on the Test Wiki (you would still need to request it, but you can just say "I have an account on [language] Wiki") and that we host all cross-Wiki discussions there. Announcements for any major discussions would still be posted on the English Community Portal so everybody remains aware of any active discussions without having to check the Test Wiki Recent Changes.
Pages outdated upon 3.0 release are incredibly numerous. In most cases, one or more of the following edits can or should happen:
 
* Parts that talk about ''3.0 features'' in ''future tense'' (e.g. "there will be a new paint editor") should be changed to use ''present tense'' (e.g. "there is a new paint editor") or ''past tense'' (e.g. "a new paint editor was introduced")
 
* Parts that talk about ''3.0 changes'' in ''future tense'' (e.g. "the editor will be moved to the right side") should be changed to use ''past tense'' (e.g. "the editor was moved to the right side")
 
* Parts that mention ''dates'' in ''any tense'' should have their tense ''updated'' (e.g. "the official release will be January 2019" -> "the official release was January 2019")
 
* Parts that talk about ''2.0 features'' in ''any tense'' (e.g. "the paint editor has these features") should be changed to use ''past tense'' (e.g. "the paint editor had these features")
 
* Parts that talk about ''2.0 changes'' in ''any tense'' (e.g. "the editor was moved to the left") should all be changed to ''past tense'' if they haven't already.
 
* Take this opportunity to update things that weren't changed from 1.4 days as well.
 
  
=== Progress ===
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Thoughts, everyone?<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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: I think this is a great idea. Probably because I helped with writing the proposal, but good! <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 01:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I also think this is a great idea! It's important that we have a place for conveniently discussing matters that involve all the wikis, and this would provide that place. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I agree with this as well! {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 01:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Handy links to the discussions on the other wikis about this:
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:* German: [[de:Scratch-Wiki Diskussion:Gemeinschafts-Portal#Zentralisierte Cross-Wiki-Diskussion]]
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:* Indonesian: [[id:Pembicaraan Scratch-Indo-Wiki:Portal Komunitas#Diskusi Lintas-Wiki Terpusat]]
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:* Russian: [[ru:Обсуждение Скретч Вики:Портал сообщества#Централизованное кросс-вики-обсуждение]]
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:* Japanese: [[ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場#一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション]]
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:* Dutch: [[nl:Dutch Scratch-Wiki:Gebruikersportaal#Gecentraliseerde cross-wiki-discussie]]
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:* French: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
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:* Hungarian: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
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:* Test: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
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:The discussions on the other wikis link back here (since jvvg used Google Translate to translate this version into each language). I wanted to post these here so that the users reading this topic can see what the users on other wikis think about this idea. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: This idea would benefit a lot. Also, I have a question about this: would the cross-wiki discussion be separate from the Test Wiki community portal, or would they be on the same page.
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:: I also wrote earlier in a probably now archived topic that I was not planning to join the test wiki, but if this gets implemented, I might join to take part in those discussions. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::The French Scratch Wiki now has a discussion about this here: [[fr:Discussion Scratch Wiki en Français:Accueil de la Communauté#Centralized Scratch Wiki Discussions]] {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Also, the discussion on the Japanese Scratch Wiki was moved to this page: [[ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場/一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション]] {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: I have another question about this idea: if this were to happen, would any language be used (I myself do not speak any language other than English fluently) or will only English be used in cross-wiki discussions? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::I support, even though I already have a test wiki account {{e|:P}}. Also, we should consider modifying common.js so it shows "Test" rather than "Twi" in the left sidebar, but I'll add that as a proposal to the new Test Wiki CP when it's set up. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 19:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}} (Level of indentation is to reply to OP) Question about the Request on Test Wiki thing; I have moved since I requested, do I have to request an account for this account, or can I use my new account? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I support, maybe we should make a single sign on so when you have a wiki account you automatically get a test wiki account.<scratchsig>Acebsa</scratchsig> 20:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Here is a list of articles that need to be updated (on their real versions in mainspace) upon the release of 3.0. You can probably already start updating them now. Articles marked with an asterisk (*) have updates available at [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles]]/the article title, but:
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== An idea ==
{{warning|do not copy articles directly from their 3.0 versions!}}
 
Though in most cases the information will be correctly updated, make sure to use your own judgement as to its accuracy.
 
  
{{note|Some of the articles listed below need to be created.}}
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Hi everyone,
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I had an idea recently to make a way for non-wiki editors to suggest changes if they don't want to go through the hassle of making a wiki account. Maybe a google form or something that editors can look at and, if needed, make the change.
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<scratchsig>Acebsa</scratchsig> 04:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Scratchers are allowed to suggest changes through the Scratch Wiki's forum topic. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 04:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: For reference, the Scratch Wiki forum topic is located [[topic:294197|here]]. It is also used to ask questions about the wiki as well. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::The issue with that, I found, is that few actually know about it and the non-wikian posts are just random questions about scratch in general.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 16:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Feel free to update this list yourself. Add any articles that you discover that need updates; remove articles that have been updated.
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== [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 107#Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies]] continuation ==
  
* Blocks
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I am just reviving the discussion  mentioned in the title above because it was archived and it did not seem to be completed. Also, on the latest Wiki Wednesday topic, no notice in the first post telling Scratchers not to spam in the topic was put in.
* File:Name bar.png
 
* File:Offline Editor Share Icon.png
 
  
=== Remember to take this opportunity to ''clean up'' articles as well as update them! ===
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In the discussion linked above, I mentioned some examples of what the notice would mention as being spam. I also think posts only saying 'Hi', 'Hello' or something similar could also be mentioned as being spam. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 15:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
==== Fix typography or other writing issues as you come across them ====
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: Isn't it just common sense ''not'' to spam?  It's already against the CGs, so I don't see a use for it or it's because I stalk the Announcements forum, get a first-page post, and move on. It could be useful to the 5 year-olds here that need a notice saying "Don't spam, it's sUpEr AnNoYiNg!11!!1" <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
We don't want to have to make a second sweep to clean up all the weird grammar from tense changes. Remember to fix the grammar and spelling of the articles ''as a whole'' while you update them.
 
  
==== Ask for help when you need it ====
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== RfC about User:Gdpr000001, User talk:Gdpr000001 and <s>S:B</s> redirects ==
If a page or redirect needs to be deleted or you need some other admin action, leave a message at [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Admin Requests]]. If you don't specifically need admin actions, you can ask anyone you think would know the answer to your question.
 
  
=== Here's to a good 3.0 release! ===
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As explained in the title, these are discussed on their related talk pages and [[User talk:Ahmetlii]], but I'd like to an RfC for solving the question.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
[[File:Hooray.png]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 05:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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: The first two have already been discussed at [[Talk:Gdpr0000001#Removing_several_redirects_to_this_page]] to delete, neutral on where S:B is targetted. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 06:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::But also, the discussion about gdpr has a few users and only 2 active users(me and Naleksuh), this doesn't mean a consensus because it goes to a discussion between two users.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
  
:Oh I thought a bot would do it :P also are we saving old articles, for example Block Plugin(2.0)?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 12:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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== Suggestion: Resolved and Unresolved Templates ==
::I thought we were moving 2.0 to a different place and 3.0 to where 2.0 used to be. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Removed some articles from the list :)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Should [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Front Page (2.0)]] be updated? It's so similar to [[Front Page]], that it seems redundant to create a new page.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I noticed that many of the things needed to be changed were the same in 2.0 and 3.0. What should we do? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::[[S:STYLE#no-ext-wikilinks|Please don't externally link to Wiki pages!]] And [[S:STYLE#no-link-underscores|please don't use underscores in links]].
 
:::::I'm pretty sure it's the pictures that need updating. Would you mind adding all the files on that page that need updating to the [[#Progress]] list?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Nothing has changed between 2.0 to 3.0 in Front Page, Messages, Discuss, Profiles. (Maybe more but these are all I've been to). The Project page and project editor are the only ones that have. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::The front page has changed, they've just been using the 3.0 skin for a while. Notice how the top bar is bright blue there and on project pages but a darker blue in discuss and the profiles as well as studios. Messages have also been at the 3.0 skin for a while. My stuff (and everything in it, like trash) has not been updated either. <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  02:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::::Also I think "Images of stuff in 2.0 should be updated to 3.0." should be included.  {{#ifeq:|nobr|<br/>|}}[[File:VFDan.png|20px|link=User:VFDan]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=VFDan}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border: 2px solid cyan; border-radius:1px 0 0 10px">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;border-radius:0px 10px 1px 0px">{{nbsp}}<span class="plainlinks">{{User:12944qwerty/CPL|link=https://scratch.mit.edu/users/VFDan|text=On Scratch&nbsp;|color:orange;font-weight:bold}}</span></span>  22:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== List of deleted pages ==
 
 
{{not done}}
 
{{not done}}
  
(Brought up here after discussion [[User talk:Jammum#About your Deleted Pages page|here]].)
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There are many discussions on talk pages on the wiki that get abandoned until someone discovers them again. Wouldn't it be helpful if we had a list of all the pages with unresolved discussions that have yet to be finished? Here are some advantages to a list like this:
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* In many cases, discussions won't get abandoned without being documented as unresolved discussions somewhere.
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* Users who want discussions to contribute to can just look at the list for some unresolved discussions.
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* It would improve the wiki's organization.
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I think one way we could implement a system like this would be with two templates: {{t|unresolved}} and {{t|resolved}}.
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The {{t|unresolved}} template would mark the discussion with "unresolved." It would also add the page to the hidden category [[:Category:Pages With Unresolved Discussions]], and provide a link to the category. If the page was in the "User talk" namespace, it would not be added to the category. This is so that if users want to use the templates on their own talk pages, they can, but users looking for discussions to participate in won't have to dig through user talk pages. There would also be a <code>cat=no</code> option to manually prevent the page from being added to the category. I've created a draft of this template at [[User:Bigpuppy/Unresolved]]. Note that the category part is commented out right now, so that pages don't get added to a nonexistent category. If this suggestion gets accepted, it will be un-commented.
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The {{t|resolved}} template would mark the discussion with "resolved." It would have a <code>date</code> parameter that would show when the discussion was resolved. Resolved discussions would not be added to any category (unless that is something we want). I've created a draft of this template at [[User:Bigpuppy/Resolved]].
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Here are answers to some questions you may have:
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;Don't we already have the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?
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:Yes. However, those templates don't have all of the functionality that the {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates would provide. If we added this functionality to the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates, all of the discussions that were not actually marked {{done}} but still have the template on them (e.g. if the template was used in casual conversation) would be added to the category.
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;Would these templates replace the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?
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:No. Those templates would still be used in casual conversation and in tandem with the {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates (e.g. "is this conversation {{done}}?"). The {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates would be used more formally at the top of discussions.
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;Would use of these templates be required?
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:No. However, it would be recommended, so that the page gets added to the category of pages with unresolved discussions.
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;Would anyone be allowed to add these templates to any discussion, even ones they didn't create?
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:Yes. Similar to how the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates are used now, anyone would be able to mark a discussion as resolved or unresolved, even if they didn't create it.
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;The drafts you created look curiously similar to the {{t|shortcut}} template.
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:That's because I based part of their code on the {{t|shortcut}} template. {{e|:P}}
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{{user|Kenny2scratch|name}} implemented semi-similar templates at [[User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks]]. They are similar in that they are templates located in the top-right of a discussion and show whether the discussion is done or not.
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So, thoughts? Do you like the idea? Do you think it could use some improvement? Do you think we shouldn't create these templates at all? Please share your thoughts below. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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:We already have S:CPND as a "unresolved" placeholder archive. I didn't see any usage of it unless marking "resolved" and "unresolved", and this gets another question: Will it be done or will not? (like 1 and 0, not includes 2 or 4). I don't think it's not important enough and @Kenny2scratch is using his permalinks to "never done" topics. I can support never done but not resolved-unresolved. Any opinions?{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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::[[S:CPND]] isn't really relevant here because this wouldn't necessarily be used on the CP (but it could); the main purpose is for things like article talk pages. Could you clarify what you mean in the rest of your comment? Also, [[User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks]] includes done topics; look at the statuses on the right of each discussion. However, that was just an example. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I don't think it's necessary for article talk pages, because they don't need an archive or a job queue. It's not necessary as I think and said before.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Thank you for your opinion. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::You're welcome. {{e|:)}} {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Couldn't we just add the functionality to {{t|done}} and {{t|not done}}? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Please see the answer to "Don't we already have the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?" in my original post. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:41, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:True, but you also stated that we could use <code>cat=no</code> as the default cat option. That way, all you'd need to do for casual conversation is add {{t|not done}} on the section. But on an "official" conversation, we would add <code>cat=yes</code>.
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:2 questions though: Would only {{t|unresolved}} add to a category? And, doesn't adding to a category add the entire page? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::Oops, first question has been answered as soon as i posted lol <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
  
So, there are currently four lists of deleted pages on this wiki:
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== GitHub interwiki links ==
* [[User:Mathfreak231/Deleted pages recovery|Mathfreak231's]], which is the most comprehensive but is no longer updated in his absence
 
* [[User:kenny2scratch/Deleted pages recovery|Mine]], which is a duplicate of Mathfreak's but hopefully more organized
 
* [[User:Jammum/Deleted Pages|Jammum's Deleted Pages]], which are more recent than either of the above
 
* [[User:Jammum/All Pages That Have Been Deleted|Jammum's All Deleted Pages]], which seems to be more recent and extensive but has the least information (it's only a list of titles)
 
  
I suggest (from jakel181's idea) that these become a single page in projectspace, something like "Scratch Wiki:Deleted Pages". This could be a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]].
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There seem to be a lot of GitHub links (including references) to the Scratch Wiki. Although the URL is not very long, maybe LLK github links (and maybe other github links) could have an interwiki link made for them (such as gh-llk, not 'gh' due to the presence of non-LLK github links as well). {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I don't think so. Github is an external link, even its links host Scratch repos. They may cause confusion. Plain links are a better solution.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
  
;Advantages
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== About updating MediaWiki ==
* More organized
 
* One place for all
 
* Can be updated by anyone
 
  
;Disadvantages
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TL;DR: We're doing some tests to update MediaWiki due to some problems.  Probably the wiki shut down for a few hours when it's ready to be installed. (Note: This is not an official explanation because made by me, so may be ignored)
:''None I can think of off the top of my head''
 
  
Thoughts? Shall we do it?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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As the developers, we're currently experiencing some problems on general extensions due to errors; and to solve them, we're thinking to upgrade our wiki to 1.35. This upgration will change a lot of things, from icons to security patch; so we're doing patches to ensure that our extensions will work successfully. When all preparations are completed, probably someone from admins will make an explanation.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
:I think we should! I like the style yours is in, snice it is more oragized, and a bit easier to find pages, so we should base the page off that.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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: Where did you get the information about the MediaWiki update here? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
::+1 :) {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 13:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::: Just to remind everyone, I have not finished my "All Deleted Pages" page at the time of posting this message. It will be contributed to frequently. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 14:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::::To Kenny2Scratch: This will be a great idea, as it will make it more accessible to people. If this get made, maybe put it could be put in the "Navigation" box on the side?  <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::::: I think the page will not be notable enough to go there. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 07:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::I don't think it goes in the sidebar, it's not that important; however, come to think of it, this is a nice candidate for a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]]. Thinkest you that this is a suitable mission to embark upon?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}I say aye.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 01:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:@Kenny2scratch, let's do that!{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:: Are we going to do this? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Okay, I just created a page called [[User:TenType/Deleted Files]], was scrolling through the Community Portal, and found this discussion. {{e|:/}} <br/> Maybe this page could contain pages only and not files? (I really spent a lot of time and effort onto my deleted files page) Anyways, still waiting for a response on whether or not this project will be started. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Why not? It sounds like a great idea; let's get started. How do you guys find deleted pages anyway (just wondering)? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 15:00, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== “Secret” Compliments  ==
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== Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump ==
  
We all know Compliment Tuesday. To suggest compliments we have the [[S:CT]] page. It’s a great way to compliment people, but could be even better.
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TL;DR: We're upgrading to MediaWiki Version 1.35. Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2020
  
Right now you suggest a compliment, everyone who wants to including the person who was complimented can see it and get posted on CP.  
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=== Why upgrade? ===
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Currently we're using MediaWiki 1.28, which is unsupported. This caused some problems and MW 1.28 is also incompatible with some extensions. This is why we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35, a LTS version soon to be stable.
  
So I thought that’s good but you do let look forward to the CP post because you know if you have been complimented.  
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=== Timeline ===
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Time not set, but this is a big project which can take weeks.
  
I propose proposing compliments on a way no-one else can see apart from the organizer(s). This can be achieved by a Google Form.
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=== Checklist ===
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Extensions and Skins:
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchWikiSkin2
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchLogin (patch applied to fix warning)
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* {{done|Replaced}} ConfirmAccount (new version built)
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* {{done|Compatible}} Report (patch needs review)
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchSig
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* {{done|Replaced}} EditAccount (new version built)
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchBlocks4
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* {{done|Compatible}} RecentChangesWebhooks
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* {{done|Compatible}} VisualEditor (but sb blocks will be only seen as string)
  
Proposed new method:
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Bots:
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* {{done|Compatible}} InterwikiBot
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* {{done|Compatible}} TemplatesFTW
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* {{doing|Internal errors}} WikiMonitor (has problems about dependencies)
  
* Users suggest compliments on Google Form entering all details as they would before
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Misc:
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* {{done|Compatible}} Special:BlockList patch - new version created
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* {{done|Compatible}} Common.css
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* {{doing|Incompatible}} Common.js (sigwarn is problematic)
  
* End of the month (organizer)s have admin access to the form and gather responses
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{{collapse top|List of all extensions and skins installed on all wikis}}
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Status: C - Compatible, I - Incompatible
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* C: Cologne Blue (en)
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* C: Modern (en)
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* C: MonoBook (en)
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* C: ScratchWikiSkin2 (en)
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* C: Vector (en)
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* C: CategoryTree (en)
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* C: CheckUser (en)
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* I: ConfirmAccount (en)
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* I: EditAccount (en)
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* C: Interwiki (en)
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* C: Random In Category (en)
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* C: Report (en)
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* C: ScratchLogin (en)
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* C: CharInsert (en)
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* C: Cite (en)
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* C: CodeMirror (en)
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* C: InputBox (en)
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* C: ParserFunctions (en)
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* C: RandomSelection (en)
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* C: mw-ScratchBlocks4 (en)
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* C: SyntaxHighlight (en)
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* C: NativeSvgHandler (en)
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* C: AbuseFilter (en)
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* C: RecentChangesWebhooks (en)
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* C: WikiEditor (en)
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* C: DismissableSiteNotice (en)
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* C: EventLogging (en)
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* C: Google Analytics Integration (en)
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* C: GuidedTour (en)
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* C: DynamicPageList3 (de)
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* C: EmbedScratch (de)
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* C: EmbedPhosphorus (de)
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* C: EmbedVideo (de)
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* C: Labeled Section Transclusion (de)
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* C: Lockdown (de)
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* C: Admin Links (ja)
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* I: Contribution Scores (ja)
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* C: MassMessage (ja)
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* C: Newest Pages (ja)
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* I: ImagePagePrintLink (ja)
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* C: ImageMap (ja)
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* C: OpenGraphMeta (ja)
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* C: YouTube (ja)
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* C: RelatedArticles (ja)
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* C: AutoSitemap (ja)
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* C: BetaFeatures (ja)
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* C: Description2 (ja)
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* C: Disambiguator (ja)
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* C: GuguruSearch (ja)
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* C: InterwikiSorting (ja)
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* C: RevisionSlider (ja)
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* I: SearchStats (ja)
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* C: TextExtracts (ja)
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* C: Loops (fr)
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* C: WikiSEO (fr)
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* I: HeadScript (fr)
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* C: HitCounters (test)
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* Posted in CP
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=== Discussion ===
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This is gonna be big. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 08:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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: Question: Is Vector going to be compatible with it? I sometimes use SWS2 but I mostly use Vector on my laptop. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: @garnetluvcookie: Definitely because MediaWiki uses Vector as default.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 13:45, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Thanks! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::While we are doing this, can we add the VisualEditor? I have used it at snapwiki.miraheze.org, and it works great! I'm so excited for this update! <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 22:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::We are planning on adding the Visual Editor, however a bit of adaptation is necessary. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 01:03, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Why is the VisualEditor incompatible with ScratchWikiSkin2? As far as I know, (and I've been exploring this) the skin has all of the necessary hooks. Has anyone tried it? <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 16:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::@GrahamSH: I tried and tested. I know it has all necessary hooks, but also it cannot simulate the editing visually(because our skin is restrictive). We (as all developers in the Wikis) are looking for compatibility.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::::Update: VisualEditor is working currently with a few unimportant things like sb is not seen as block.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|7}}(Remember to outdent at 6) What changes are there between 1.28 and 1.35? I know there's visual editor but I'm not sure what else.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:If Scratchblocks are to be added to the VisualEditor here, how will they be inputted? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::@Jammum: We're working on it for editing blocks visually. Probably we will use text, but also the blocks will be seen instantly on VisualEditor when someone did an edit on the Scratchblocks text.
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::@Dominic305: There are a lot changes, I suggest you to read all changelogs between 1.28 and 1.35.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 07:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Will the extension Popups be enabled instead of the current thing in the common.js? Popups, (the extension) is much better. <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 12:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: Also, since Special:BlockList patch is broken, you could try using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 14:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Thanks for the helping, but the developers is thinking that manually editing MediaWiki is better than use an extension for it. Anyway, thanks again! {{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::: I am not sure where Ahmetlii got the idea above-- nobody has even ''suggested'' that, in addition to it being a bad idea for a number of technical reasons that I am sure ISW understands. There have not been any suggestions for a way of implementing Special:BlockList privacy, but I will see about some solutions. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 18:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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For VisualEditor, couldn't you do something similar to the way it's done in scratch forums?<br/>
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<small><small><s>I wish I could help but I don't know a single thing about PHP</s></small></small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I don't think so. BBS systems and wikis are two different things. <small>btw, I'm not also good at PHP (my specialty is Python on backend)</small>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::They are, but I wasn't saying that you use the systems. I was just saying to use the concepts of how the scratchblocks are entered into the visual space.
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::<small><small>SAME, but I actually don't know a single thing of PHP</small></small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Actually, it could look for typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"<scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::<s>What do you mean by the tags are found? We use <code><nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki></code> tags to make scratchblocks on the wiki...</s>
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::::<s>In the visualeditor, we could just make a button, that will make something similar to the templates popup in the visualeditor. Then edit and it makes the block!</s>
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::::Edit conflict lol, but I wouldn't recommend deleting your entire post and replacing it with something else. It doesn't tell others what your previous thoughts were, (they could support you, or not) And is that <code>typof=</code> supposed to link anywhere? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::In the visualeditor, elements with scratchblock have <code>typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"</code> in their html. But, there is no text (shown) that says <nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki><scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 01:05, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::That's because <nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki> get's replaced with <code><nowiki><pre class="block"></nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki><code class="block"></nowiki></code> to make scratch blocks...
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::::::I'm sorry but I don't understand your point. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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I looked at the MediaWiki website and it said that the EditAccount extension is archived, which might be why it does not work on the latest MediaWiki version. Is it going to be forked or replaced?
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{{User:Jammum/Signature}} 10:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:We're working on it. The only thing is we will not use EditUser (because it's so restrictive). Please check the GitHub repos of the International Scratch Wiki for public changelogs of the Scratch Wiki systems.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 11:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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::apple502j has created an alternative to EditAccount that can be used on MediaWiki 1.35: [https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/PassEdit PassEdit]. The original reason we needed EditAccount was for the case when users forgot their passwords and emails were set incorrectly (or they entered their email incorrectly when requesting an account and couldn't get their password sent to them when their account was created). However, now that we have ScratchLogin, that is no longer an issue, since users can reset their password by using their Scratch account. We have tested the extension and it does work, but we are not sure if we will enable it or not.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 23:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  
This way:
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== am i allowed to edit user messages if... ==
  
* Users will look forward to see compliments received and not seeing anytime of the month
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Am I allowed to edit user messages if the user calls me something I don't like to be called (only to fix what they call me)? Lots of people call me "Garnetluvcookie", which I don't like because I'm very sensitive about how the G in my name is capitalized. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: That is not an allowed usage of editing others' messages. Especially not when Garnetluvcookie ''is'' infact your username, although you may prefer something else and are allowed to make others aware of that. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 19:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: oml is this just to trigger me <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: also my scratch username ''is'' @garnetluvcookie, MediaWiki just auto capitalized the G. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: The message was not intended to "trigger" anything-- you asked a question and I answered it. While I am aware that MediaWiki does strictly capitalize username, and you are allowed to edit your signature or use displaytitles on your user (talk) page as appropriate, it would not be appropriate to chastise others for referring to what is your actual name. It also does not constitute editing another users' message as this can sometimes misrepresent what they are saying. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 19:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message. To '''g'''arnetluvcookie, ask Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Just don't ask him right now, of course. He's busy with his studies. (So am I but I can't resist replying to talk messages...){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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: "Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message." This sarcastic comment is not helpful here. The point is that messages are edited when they are in violation of policies or when they are causing some other problem (for example, messages with erroneous formatting such as unclosed tags, messages adding a page to a category, or something like that. In addition, I ''have'' had others edit my messages in a way that changes their meaning before that has needed to be undone. The actors were doing so in good faith, but it was still problematic.
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: "Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him." So, he has a bias, meaning probably ''not'' the best ask. Instead, see the already existing well-established policy which says it should not be edited. In general, talk page messages are treated like userspace. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 00:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::garnetluvcookie, I realize that you may not like the name, but you shouldn't change another person's edit. Instead, you should reply kindly asking them to stop calling you that and to call you the names you prefer.
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::You also shouldn't be "triggered" against a capitilization. MediaWiki, and autocorrect, will capitilize yours, and others, names.
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::If they continue calling you that name (or purposely capitilize it), that's a completely different story. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: The user repeatedly keeps calling me Garnetluvcookie , and I've reported the revisions and no action has beeen taken. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Have you asked the user to stop?
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::::I also don't think reporting the revision for this matter is appropriate. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I have asked the person to stop at least 4 times. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 17:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Ok... but instead of reporting their revision, ask an admin or someone. But please [[Scratch_Wiki:Assume Good Faith|assume good faith]] in the future. It may be an accident. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}} I am assuming good faith. It's most likely an accident, but it's just something I'm sensitive about and annoys me... a lot. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Great! Just a suggestion: maybe include the names you don't want to be called on your userpage.
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:May I ask why the capital 'G' annoys you? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Sure. There are many reasons why, but the important one is that I never put capital letters in my usernames because it messes up literally my whole profile page for some reason and makes me look like someone who Talks Like This. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: i just realized i single-handedly blew up the CP 😲 <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::That's a weird reason in my perspective, but you do you....
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::::Only 4 KB left to go before archiving {{e|;)}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Do I what? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Clarification: You must not use Report extension unless you need to contact admins urgently and privately, like sharing email or vandalism. If you "abused" Report extension, you may be blocked. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 19:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}} I don't want to start a flame, but I believe that was a fair report because it may seem small to you, but it affects me mentally and emotionally. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Maybe make a less strict report extension? In this case, the 'new' report button could've been used to report a user that hasn't stopped calling garnetluvcookie with a 'G'...
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:I'm not sure, it's just a thought.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::So there's been a lot of discussion on both sides of this matter - I thought it would be appropriate to share my two cents on the matter. To be clear, I do not wish for my reply to be hostile, demeaning, or rude, simply a summary on my thoughts.
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::I do not believe that it is a "weird perspective" to have a [https://regex101.com/r/QSyeGl/3 preferred way of being referred to as]. Sometimes the little things can really tick people off, and I understand that. I also understand that MediaWiki autocapitalizes names, such as jvvg/Jvvg, however we should all take note of people's preferred names and call them by that rather than their MediaWiki name.
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::In instances where a user has been referred to incorrectly, whether intentionally or inadvertently (as has been stated before, [[S:GF|Assume Good Faith]] {{E|:)}}), the proper course of action should be to ask the user nicely not to refer to you as that and give a correct preferred name, which I can see has been done here multiple times. I understand it may upset/annoy the user who has been incorrectly referred to, however editing a message should not happen, which I can also see has not taken place. Good job!
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::Reporting should also not usually be used in these circumstances - instead, CC an admin or EW into the conversation and they will (hopefully) ask the user nicely to use the correct name.
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::@garnetluvcookie I understand that how you are referred to affects you deeply. Please don't think you are being told off here. In fact, by asking the user nicely to not call you by a certain name, you've done the right thng. Well done. {{E|:)}}
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::I think we all need to calm down and hold off sarcastic, snidy, or mean comments. We're a community built on being welcoming and enjoyable, let's keep it that way. :){{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 20:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Small question: what do you mean by CC? <s>Isn't that a copyright</s><br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::@12944qwerty CC, as in, carbon copy, I assume.
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::::If you didn't know, CC is for sending a copy to another user for their information. Primary recipients are addressed as "TO" and others as "CC". (there's also BCC, but I don't want to go into more detail) {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 20:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Oh, that makes sense lol. thanks <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
  
* People will be more encouraged by the compliments
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== archive the CP ==
  
Ideas?{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 07:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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I'm amazed that i basically made it blow up :P (i need to reset my sig so unsigned) {{unsigned|garnetluvcookie}}
:There are pros and cons to this... on one hand, people will be less self-conscious about complimenting if nobody knows it's them, but on the other hand some compliments either don't make sense if you don't know who it is or imply on their own who the person complimenting is. I do like the idea of looking forward to compliments rather than seeing them immediately, but the con to that is people might be disappointed if CT doesn't come out at the end of the month due to not enough people complimenting...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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:{{doing|Archiving...}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
::I'm on board with this. I still would like to keep the non-secret compliments as a second option if we go about this. The main problem would be moderation. With anonymity, there is more of a chance that something mean would come out of it. An unwritten policy of CT is, if I see a disrespectful "compliment" it won't be included. If we were to use a google forum, we would have to have some way of knowing who compliment who, we can't just ask for a username since we can't verify it wasn't an impostor. Any ideas how to go about this?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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::{{done|[[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 108|Archived]]}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Perhaps (again) an extension? Special:ComplimentTuesday sounds like an interesting idea...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:50, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Guess who forked your report extension ;) (or possibly Special:ThankfulThursday :P)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 12:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::+1 for a Special: page where compliments can be submitted and a way of suggesting public compliments{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 16:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
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But also,Scratch and Scratch Wiki are growing up with "Imagine, Program, Share".[[Frequently Rejected Suggestions#Private Messaging|Here]]'s an rejected example suggestion:{{quote|Private Messaging
 
When communication is public, people are more likely to be respectful because they know that everyone can see it. However, when posting PMs, people know that only the intended recipient can see it, so do not think as much before posting. Even if a "Flag PM" function is implemented, the Scratch Team currently does not have the resources to moderate it, because of the reason said before there would be a lot of inappropriate/disrespectful messages.|Scratch Team}} Also,we can see other's compliments(Google Forms give this in finish of the form,right?).
 
  
Shortly:
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== Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it) ==
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{{not done}}<br />
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<small>i can't explain anything so here goes...</small>
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I've seen many people getting the "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB" message. Why? These users uploaded files that are like 6 KB. 6 KB!!! That's incredibly small, at least for file sizes. I believe that the minimum file size for compression should be raised to 20 KB because that's a size that's small, but large enough that it's too big. Thoughts? <br /><span style="color:red"><span style="background:#2f3136;height:22px;display:inline-block;padding:0px">[[File:Glc.jpg|18px|link=users:garnetluvcookie]] [[User:garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">''♥ garnetluvcookie ♥''</span></b>]] [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style=color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">| ''♥ talk ♥''</span></b>]] <span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">'''|'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">''♥ contribs ♥''</span></b>]]''</span></span> 00:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I think the title of this topic should actually be "'''Increase''' the file size thingy (read this to get it)" (or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?) {{e|:)}}
  
*It's a bad idea because...
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:Also, could you please clarify which message you're talking about?
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:* [[Special:Upload]] states "Is the image's filesize over '''300KB'''? If it is, please compress it. [https://tinypng.com TinyPNG] is recommended for PNGs and JPEGs (contrary to the name, it does support JPEG)."
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:* The [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-huge-file|abuse filter warning]] that appears when you upload a file that's too large also uses the 300KB number, stating "If your file is over 300KB, please compress it. [https://tinypng.com/ TinyPNG] is recommended for PNGs and JPGs."
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:* The [[User:TemplatesFTW/Config/CompressMsg|message]] that {{user|TemplatesFTW|name}} posts on users' talk pages after it compresses their files does not state any number, but rather states that "... the image size was kinda big ...".
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:None of the above messages mention that you should "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB," so could you please clarify which message you are talking about? If I'm missing something obvious, please point it out. Thank you! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Ahh, yes I meant increase, it's just pretty late where I am and I'm a bit sleepy. Also, the compress if it's over 2 KB thing was a joke to show how low the compressing thing is :P.  I'll fix the post <s>before I fall asleep in my chair</s>. <br /><span style="color:red"><span style="background:#2f3136;height:22px;display:inline-block;padding:0px">[[File:Glc.jpg|18px|link=users:garnetluvcookie]] [[User:garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">''♥ garnetluvcookie ♥''</span></b>]] [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style=color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">| ''♥ talk ♥''</span></b>]] <span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">'''|'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">''♥ contribs ♥''</span></b>]]''</span></span> 02:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Yeah people take compression way too seriously. ''Maybe'' at 30mb losslessly you should ''consider'' compressing, but there's no reason to compress something already only 20 kb (which is incredibly small in 2020, a lot of JavaScript files are bigger). Some images have been compressed so aggressively that the text becomes difficult to read and have needed to be reverted. The file dimensions were recently increased to 1080p a couple weeks ago, but there hasn't been much comment on file size. I personally think that an increase on file size limit would be very helpful as compression has been taken way too seriously (in most cases it has almost no benefit, although there are always exceptions). In addition, admins for some reason can upload files up to 218 times larger than non-admins, which again I think is another unnecessary line. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 02:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: Exactly. All it does is decreases file size by like 4 KB. Personally I think that compression is taken wayy too seriously here. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 02:31, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
  
:*It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages
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== Tone down the rejected messages on [[S:BR]] archives ==
  
:*I have some questions about Google Forms security
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{{Note|None of this was made to offend the people who reject bot requests. Please take no offense.}}
  
:*Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)
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Some of the rejected summaries at [[S:BR]] rejected requests are very unwelcoming. For example, my rejected message had "User has no programming experience" which comes off extremely rude, and when I do have programming experience (if you count Scratch as a programming language... *awkward smile*). The only reason that I don't is because I'm incredibly young, not even in middle school. If I was 5 years older, I would've created a bot already. (Please don't argue this point against me, I don't want the summary bored into my head)<br />
  
:*And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging
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Also, a user may not have much experience in the language, but that doesn't mean that they are incapable of creating a bot. I know many people online (haha don't ask about IRL) that are new to the language that they chose, but they've created amazing stuff. It's enforcing the stereotype of "young children are dumb and can't do complex stuff". No matter how minor, it's still showing bad behavior as a role-model.<br />
  
:*If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work
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This doesn't mean that the admins need to rewrite every single rejected summary, they just need to be more considerate about how others will feel. <small>extreme nostalgia and/or cringe side affects may occur in 3... 2... 1...</small> It's like that concept that everyone was taught in early grade school, fill others buckets, don't dump them. <br />
  
:*Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)
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<small>now my fingers hurt :P</small> <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:<small>As mysteriously as he arrived, NYCDOT was gone again.</small> Hi. I checked out your BR, and it appears that Ken wrote "Proposer has no programming experience and VoxBot is the only approved typography bot." He said it like it is, you have no experience. What is he supposed to say? We aren't going to give out gold stars to people who propose that they create their own bots without any idea how to do so. Try out a some programming languages ''before'' proposing a a new Wiki Bot, and I'm sure the next time you have a BR the admins will be more than happy to review your request. As for the bot idea itself, VoxBot is an approved bot that we know works well and does its job. If you have problems with it, I'm sure KrIsMa will listen to your suggestions. {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 18:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: I do have programming experience, I just only knew Scratch at the time I suggested it. Also, even though I apparently am dumb, I do know a good bit of Python. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Two things. One, no one ever said you were dumb. Not knowing how to do a certain thing doesn't make you dumb. Two, at the time of the bot request, you pretty much had no experience. While you may have some now, that doesn't change the past. If you think of a new, useful bot, you can propose one again. {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 18:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::<small>Welcome back NYCDOT, I came back recently too {{e|:P}}, also, remember about your indents :P</small>
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::::Scratch is not counted as programming knowledge. Although you could use scratch knowledge to code with other languages, knowing scratch only isn't enough. Can you make a bot with scratch coding? No, you cannot. Ken writing that you have no programming experience is completely fine. You agreed you have no programming experience outside of Scratch.
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::::Although it may be rude for you, it is in no way meant to be rude. Ken wrote all details in his rejected message so that everyone understands why this bot got rejected and so that users don't make a bot for the same reason. There's always a reason for writing things the way it's written. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
  
<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 20:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Try it yourself! (button) ==
  
::I would generally discourage the use of google forms for this kind of project given that you are seeking input from the entire community. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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My idea is that there will be some visual scratchblocks, and a button next to it. The user can click on the button, and it will bring them to scratch and remix a project with the code in it. They can then mess around with it.
:::I also disagree with using Google Forms because fake or anonymous users could abuse the feature. However, maybe Special:ComplimentTuesday could be the way to go... <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Google Forms are out by multiple Community and Wiki G/guidelines. A special page is the way to go. @Ahmetlii: If we're using a special page, problems solved include:
 
::::* <s>It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages</s>
 
:::::Compliments would be reviewed before being shown. Inappropriate messages are vandalism and would be treated as such. {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>I have some questions about Google Forms security</s>
 
:::::No Google Forms. {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)</s>
 
:::::Not a problem for me, it'll be fun! {{e|:)}} {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging</s>
 
:::::Compliments are shown to everyone - only who submitted the compliment is hidden. Not private messaging. {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work</s>
 
:::::Not very much more, and @jakel181 has been doing a great job on CT so far, I'm sure he wouldn't mind looking through the compliments before he posts them.
 
::::* <s>Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)</s>
 
:::::Not with a special page! {{done|Solved}}
 
::::I think a special page is definitely the way to go. I believe the following are the only questions to really consider:
 
::::* Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted?
 
::::** If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate?
 
::::* Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
 
::::** If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
 
::::This concludes my post.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I think we should allow EW/Admins/Bureaucrats see in some fashion. (Maybe not all but a couple)<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 12:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 
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* Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted? -Yes, they are. (I don't need it :P)
 
** If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate? -It's named as "be shy" :)
 
* Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
 
-No, we don't because S:JOIN-if somebody want to send a message, they must join and login to the Wiki.
 
** If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
 
-They can use Scratch profiles to send a message - it's only a Wiki about Scratch.
 
<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 17:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{not done|No clear resolution}}{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 22:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Welcome templates ==
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You could probably use this in
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* [[:Category:Tutorials|Tutorials]]
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* [[:Category:Blocks|Scratch Block pages]]
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* [[Default Value]] (I thought of this idea on this page)
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<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Can anyone help me understand why the category links aren't showing up? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::Actually, we're also working about the embed projects (we have different opinions for make it, so I cannot say a specific info.). You can see everyone in here whose want to help for the Wiki! {{e|:)}}
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::For the second question, I've fixed it. {{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::What? I'm confused. What do you mean by "everyone in here whose are want to help for the Wiki"? There's a lot of English mistakes.... can you please fix it so I can understand? Thanks!
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:::OH YEAH, I forgot about putting those for some links... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I meant "please check public and private changelogs and also look at RC".{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::For embedding a scratch project? Can you direct me to it? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::{{done}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Something's wrong ==
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Something’s up, my signature turns timestamps into code boxes, without the actual code tags appearing. Is this an error with my syntax or is it an actual bug? I’m not sure, so if someone could help me with this, that would be great. I’ve been trying to get it right for weeks. An example of the issue can be found below, or at [[User:78ch3/Sig|this page]]{{User:78ch3/Sig}} 00:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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: It's because [[User:78ch3/Sig]] has some new lines it should not. There are two line breaks between <nowiki></span></nowiki> and <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki>. Those new lines should simply be removed (so that it is <nowiki></span><noinclude></nowiki> on one line), and then it should be fixed. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 00:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: I got up this morning to fix it, but didn’t read this, so when I came here, it turns out I did exactly what you wanted me to do. {{User:78ch3/Sig}} 21:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: {{done}} {{User:78ch3/Sig}} 21:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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== My Banner ==
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Why did my banner get removed? I needed it for my forum signature and I can't use assets on my computer because it won't load and now my signature won't work. <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
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:Is this problem related to the forum? If it is, please bring up the topic there and they'll be able to help you more.
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:Also, remember for the future to write your texts before your signature. This means that you do <code><nowiki>REPLY/TEXT ~~~~</nowiki></code>. The four tildes are your signature. Thank you! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:21, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::It was not deleted, it was moved to a different title that was less generic.
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::Also, the Scratch Wiki should not be used as an image host for Scratch or anywhere else outside the wiki. I recommend you use another hosting site such as CubeUpload to upload your banner.
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:: <small>and i was caught in an edit conflict</small> {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::We're not an [[Image Host|image host]]. Use extensions that upload images to Scratch assets, or look to index.php for deleted images, or host in another website that Scratch allows. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Ah, I just looked at Recent Changes. Your banner didn't get removed. It just got moved so that it had a more specific name.  Banner.png could mean that it's a banner for the Mainspace Scratch wiki pages instead.
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::::Your banner is now located here: [[:File:Banner FollowCherryBlossom.png]]
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::::<small>I had edit conflict too lol, with both jammum and ahmetlii at the same time AND MYSELF oh gods</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I've editted like three times and the same has happened and okay <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
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:::::The reason for doing so is because I don't use cubeupload or photobucket, I thought it had been deleted <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
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::::::You should though. This wiki isn't meant to host images, you should use an actual hosting server. Those are some of the best hosting servers. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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"Those are some of the best hosting servers" no, those are just the ones allowed by Scratch. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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== out of curiosity... ==
  
A lot of people have their own "welcome" templates that they post on new users' talk pages. This is a great idea, because new users can get to know new people and, of course, feel welcomed. However, the welcoming effect starts diminishing when things like this happen:
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What's the 3 Revert Rule? I know we use BRD but it's referenced in many places, most notably [[Template:Nutshell|nutshell]].  
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also, whatup with my message it's being weird or *looks above* close your tags!!! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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:The 3 revert rule is when you stop to discuss the revert if it has been reverted three times. At least that's what I remember. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I don't think we have 3RR(Three Revert Rule) here. We instead have BRD - Bold, Revert and Discuss.
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::Also, indenting your post with a space makes that box thing. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 13:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  
[[File:That's a lot of welcomes.PNG]]
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== Another user’s talk page organization ==
  
10 different people jumping on the new user is too much - it's not welcoming, it's downright scary! How would you feel if you created an account somewhere and you were confronted with a wall of "welcome"s?
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Another user (not mentioning who) on this wiki requires users who post on their talk page that they use level three headings for discussion headings and put their messages in a section (some of which are not at the bottom of the page) on that page, whilst all other talk pages (including user ones) are supposed to use level two headings and require all messages (including bot ones) to go at the bottom of the page. Is the user's way of organising their talk page allowed? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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: I know this user and I don't believe so. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I don't think it's allowed, but if it is right now then I think it shouldn't be. It's confusing.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 12:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  
To counteract this, I don't propose forbidding welcomes entirely; what I instead think should be the case is that we have a limit on how many welcome messages can be on a talk page - probably around 4-5 at the most. That does mean it turns into a race as to who can get their message on first, but that can't be helped - if you want to get your message in, ya gotta be active at the right time.
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== How to curate a project? ==
  
I don't think there's much room for debate on the necessity of the limit, but what can be bargained is the limit itself - how many topics do you think is too many?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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I want to know how to curate a project as I am interested to learn how to. I want to encourage my friend so thats one reason. If you got an idea how, please leave a reply so I can see. Thank you so much for everything and may god bless you abundantly! :) <scratchsig>Ani_coding_PRO</scratchsig> 11:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Here ya go: [[Curator (front_page)#Application_and_Selection]] <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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::@Ani_coding_PRO: Please ask in the [[Questions about Scratch]] forum (link to the forum is on the page) for Scratch-related questions that do not involve this wiki. The wiki is not a replacement for the Scratch Forums. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  
:I think that a limit of 4-5 is a great idea {{E|:)}} I still remember when I started the messages really confused me. Also, I'd say that if you post a welcome message, it should have a variation of the simple title "Welcome!". I tried to make mine a bit different. I like the "All aboard!" one. Maybe we could say if there are more than eight messages already, really don't put one, but if there are 4-5 try not to put your template, but a personal message is okay.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 21:06, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Wiki down? ==
  
::I see this level of enthusiasm as very exciting. While it may be a little intimidating, I look at it more as a great way to integrate yourself with the community immediately and meeting many of the people who you will be working with side-by-side. Nonetheless, I would love to see more data on this and interview some people on their experiences regarding this to see if it does have a negative impact. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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I got an HTTP 500 error for about 30 seconds a minute ago. Other wikis (I checked de, test, and fr) were up. Was this a server problem? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:::As we are bargaining for this, I was just wondering what we'll be doing now. Should we be limiting welcomes now? Or do we continue welcoming as much as we can {{e|:D}}? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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: And again... <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::::While the rule is still merely proposed, it is not yet a rule. Welcomes are unlimited until this is put in force.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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::This was a result of some preparatory work we're doing for the upgrade. Unfortunately there wasn't any way to do it without any disruption. However, it should be done now. You may experience some slowdown for a while, but not any more downtime.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 17:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::[[User talk:StampDanFan|It has happened again...]]{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 20:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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::: Thanks. I am experiencing some slowness (a page takes around 1 minute to load) so that explains that. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I think the slowness has finally been resolved, so we should be good to go going forwards. I do not anticipate any remaining disruption to the Wiki until we actually perform the upgrade (we do not have a specific day planned yet, but hopefully soon).<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 20:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Yay! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 20:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Also running great for me! Did you figure out what was causing it or did it just go away by itself?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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With some help from apple502j and banana439monkey I was able to fix it. The issue was that 1. apcu (a PHP extension that greatly improves performance) wasn't enabled and 2. there was a setting keeping it from actually running even after I enabled it.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 20:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Don't understand how, but I'm still receiving a HTTP 500 error whenever I try to go to Recent Changes {{-}} It's always slow with loading, but it's never completely been broken. Is it because I have some laggy softwares on on my computer at the moment?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 07:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Do you use a browser other than Chrome or Safari? I've tested on my Mac on both Safari and Chrome and it works fine. It also may be your internet connection spitting false errors, but I can't confirm that because I have full bars and I'm literally 10 feet away from the router thing. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I use Google Chrome or Safari most of the times, coincidentally. I've tested on Lenovo (Windows 10) and now I'm on my father's Mac, but Recent Changes still gives a 500 error, and I don't have those laggy softwares on here.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 13:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: Odd. I've tried on Chrome and Safari on my Mac and my iPad, and i get no error. Try rebooting your WiFi? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Not at the moment, since my router is in the basement and I don't really wanna go there at the moment. However, quick status update: it's still happening.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::: Ok. I'll try to replicate it and find a fix. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 17:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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I am not receiving any HTTP errors but [[Special:ScratchLogin|ScratchLogin]] is broken for me. It keeps telling me I have not commented the code even after commenting. <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:<small>please outdent correctly!</small><br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 22:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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::It's been more than a day since this has happened and it's still occurring. Could somebody please help? My dad went down and restarted the router today too.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Try going to Private Browsing and opening it without logging in? Maybe your entries per page is too high. Mine is set to 300 from the last 30 days.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I'll try that; I think I set my entries per page to the highest possible amount, so that could be the issue. Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I didn't do it exactly the way you said, but I tried logging out and now I have the link for 50 entries, so I can use it for going to Recent Changes. This is definitely not a very efficient method, but because I'm an idiot I think this will work find for now. Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Awesome, glad I could help you fix it!{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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maybe a way to avoid this is to make the section named a bit different?? <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
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Even better, I found a way to let it do it automatically! Thank you so much for the help!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:Can't we make a User_talk:ACCEPTEDUSER/Welcomes page?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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::That doesn't actually cause a ping tho...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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== make templates like [[wikipedia:Template:Trout|trout]] ==
:::We could make it ping though if there is someone willing to mess with the code...{{User:Smileycreations15/sig}} 11:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::I was just scrolling through the CP, and this caught my eye. Great idea, I definitely think this needs to be considered. I understand that people are just trying to be kind by sending the welcome messages, but it would almost be like a horror film for the person who owns the account. I think 4-5 welcome templates are enough, but I think there needs to be a break between even those. Getting 4-5 welcomes in a couple of seconds is also not the best of ideas.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:55, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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(yes, i am aware of [[S:NOTWP]]. i am suggesting because it's funny.)
:::::We should ask new users for their opinion on this right after they get the welcomes. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:06, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
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Self-explanatory. There would also be self-trout, minnow, and whale.<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::I think 4-5 is a good limit. I personally liked getting welcomes, but I only got 3 of them. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 14:49, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
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:<nowiki>{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Trout notification}}</nowiki> exists, if it is something multiple people want it could be moved out of my userspace. Until then you can use it with that link. I have not heard of whale or minnow but I'm sure those could also be made if everyone wants them.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::::I'm a fairly new user, and I got 4 welcomes.  It seemed fine for me, so I agree that 4-5 sounds like a good limit. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 01:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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::<s>shameless plug</s> but not many people know about it unless you plug it everywhere :/ <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|7}}How about one or two users post a template, or we just use the automatic one at the top, and then people below can put encouraging words (not large templates) followed by a sig? This would not be too much for the user, but still shows lots of people are there to support them!{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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:::We do not allow mainspace templates that aren't intended for use in articles or on talk pages. You may make a template like that in your userspace if you want.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Maybe we can create a welcome template, and a bot automatically adds it for every new user.  Any user edit it (just like an article). Maybe there could be in it for all the users that contributed.
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:: {{#ifeq:|nobr|<br/>|}}[[File:VFDan.png|20px|link=User:VFDan]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=VFDan}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border: 2px solid cyan; border-radius:1px 0 0 10px">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;border-radius:0px 10px 1px 0px">{{nbsp}}<span class="plainlinks">{{User:12944qwerty/CPL|link=https://scratch.mit.edu/users/VFDan|text=On Scratch&nbsp;|color:orange;font-weight:bold}}</span></span>  19:21, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
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== is this normal? ==
:::[[S:GOODSIG|Please fix your signature!]]
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:::No, the point of each user having their own welcome template is for them to be specific to the user welcoming - a different message for each one. If they just wanted to add their name to a stock welcome they could reply to the {{t|welcome}} message added by default. However, 10 users posting personalized welcomes is a lot of different welcomes to read - which is why it needs limiting.
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[[File:WHAT HAPPENED.png|1000px]]<br />
:::Seems like 4-5 is the limit we've agreed on; for the sake of looseness, '''the limit is now 5 welcome messages at most on any new user's talk page''' (not including the {{t|welcome}} message; does not apply to users created before this decision).
 
:::@Nambaseking01: Limiting the rate of welcomes is a separate topic that should be proposed separately.
 
:::This topic is now {{done|[[S:USERSPACE#User talk pages|Done]]}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Block Problems ==
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i think i successfully broke the wiki <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
{{Not done|Not done, as blocks are still unfinished or broken}}<br />
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:It's because you're on vector skin and zoomed in all the way.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Today I started to finish up the script for [[How to Evaluate an Expression]], and things got out of hand. When I first completed it, I realized I did some of the block loops wrong, and it like wrapped around some things that I didn't want to wrap around, while I also couldn't get this one if then else block to wrap around something else {{-}} it was all a mess. I cleaned some of it up, but I am afraid I'll make it worse and I already spent more than an hour on it. Also, I have to save it each time I want to check if it is correct, since for some reason the blocks won't load up in ''Show preview'' mode (it appears in code) but loads when the changes are saved. Can somebody please fix up the script to match the one in post #19 in [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/292813/ this forum topic]? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
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:: but i wasn't <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:The blocks still don't match the one in the post, I tried again on my sandbox and it still does not cut out. Anyone who is an expert at doing this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::We do not officially support the Vector skin (or any other non-ScratchWikiSkin skin) and cannot make any guarantees everything will work with it. Also it looks like you are either zoomed in all the way as 12944qwerty said or on a small screen. On my screen, preferences looks fine in vector.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::You can use [https://scratchblocks.github.io this page].<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 07:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::Try disabling Dark Reader (right?) and seeing if it works.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Curse Garamol56 for not using forum scratchblocks!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::: ahahaha you got me :P <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
::::@Ahmetlii That website may come in handy...
 
::::@kenny2scratch Yes, it is so exhausting to convert it into proper scratchblocks! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== New Featured Images ==
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== Proposing changes on the roles ==
 
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Hey! Soon, on August 12th, it'll have been a month since we updated the Featured Images yet. This time, I don't want to do them late like I have in the past, so does anyone have any suggestions? {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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Hi everyone. With the update, MediaWiki will give an extra feature for us: Time-limited roles. With it, we can do time-limited bots for testing, give role for a technical stuff and more. However, as the developers and admins, we will not want to enable it before getting a consensus - because it's about moderation also, undesirable actions may make different things.
:A photo of somewhere tropical. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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::I don't understand - is this a joke (if it isn't, I'm not trying to offend; simply trying to understand)? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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===Discussion===
:::It is. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 13:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::: The _:))_ emoji. Looks nice and funny.<scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:23, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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This will gonna be huge.
:::::You mean literally feature the {{e|:)}} picture? I guess that works LOL
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{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::I'd suggest [[:File:Statistic Rollover Info.png]] because it looks cool and has a random interesting piece of info :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:42, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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:To my opinion, it's a good idea - and I believe that the admins will give it only for necessary actions. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::It's been August 12th, does that mean this discussion is now for the next featured image change? Or can this be archived?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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:: This is not something that needs discussion or enabling -- it is always on by default. Discussion {{done}} <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 19:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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== Downtime coming on Tuesday ==
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As detailed [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/4452468/ in a forum post], the Wiki will be down on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=English%2BScratch%2BWiki%2BUpgrade&iso=20200929T21&p1=797&am=30 Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 9pm Scratch Time/1am UTC] for about 30 minutes (click the link to see it in your own timezone). We will be upgrading MediaWiki to 1.35 from the current version of 1.28. See [[#Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump|the upgrade megathread]] for details about the upgrade itself and what it will entail.
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During the upgrade, the English Wiki will be down entirely (all pages will be replaced with a message explaining the situation) and not just read-only. Other language Wikis will continue operating as normal, though they may be a bit slower. Any discussion necessary during that time can take place on our forum topic. We have done a dry run of this upgrade and have ironed out the issues that came up, so we do not anticipate running into any problems. Still, something unexpected may always come up, so please be patient and don't panic if it takes longer than 30 minutes.
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TL;DR: The Wiki will be down Tuesday at 9pm Scratch Time for about 30 minutes so we can perform software updates.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Thank you jvvg and everyone else who has had a part in making this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Great! <small>now i like that i'm in the same time zone as Scratch</small> <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Same here. Looking forward to the updates! {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 19:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: Note: You can check update time from [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=English+Scratch+Wiki+Upgrade&iso=20200929T21&p1=797&am=30 here] to convert update time to your timezone. <small>However, I may not be able to see it; it will be at 4 am bruh</small>
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:::: Anyway, I just wanted to thanks all users in the Wiki who made constructive edits and @Naleksuh, @Mini_Kostik, @apple502j, @Kenny2scratch, @jvvg, and other people who worked on development phase.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: @jvvg said the link before, sorry. :) {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Awesome (woo upgrade!), but also not awesome (boo downtime!)! I hope all goes well. {{e|10mil}}{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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I hope the upgrade brings exciting new features! (and the downtime will happen when I will be asleep) {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Giving Credit on the Wiki ==
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:I really hope everything will go well during the upgrade :) <scratchsig>LankyBox01</scratchsig> 18:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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::aaa 2 hours left! Hopefully the updates are successful again {{E|:D}} {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 22:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::1 hour!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for VisualEditor! <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 23:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Actually not 1 hour, because the update ''will '' start in a hour.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 00:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::45 minutes left of 1.28.3. Let's all say bye to the glorious... uh... ok I don't know. There's really not too much important to me in the upgrade (visual editor is overrated){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}} 10 minutes left until the update starts! I'm excited! {{E|:D}}{{User:4096bits/Signature}} 00:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Three more minutes! Thank you to everyone who has worked hard to make this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::The final minute for MW 1.28! {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 00:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::...and, we're back! Thank you to everyone who helped make this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Awesome! Being honest though I kinda like the old MW version more. Not sure why. Also visual editor doesn't work on Scratch Wiki: namespaces?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Also canned edit summaries seem to be broken (clicking on the summary box opens the canned  edit menu){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Dominic305, I don't think visual editor is available for any talk pages. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Oh, I suppose you are right that it isn't available in project space, either. Huh. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
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== Huh? ==
I think that we should make a template for credit like this: {{User:Scratch-Coding/credit|Scratch-Coding |template}}. It would be helpful. We could use the remix button image instead of the one I have. {{User:Scratch-Coding/Signature}} 00:09, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:When and where will it be used? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 01:05, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::What would you use this for, and why? The wiki is a collaboration and we all own a part of it. No one owns a article unless they created it on there userspace where they can so whatever they want with it.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 01:13, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Templates are mainly created for mainspace Wiki articles {{-}} when and why would this be needed? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:58, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::It would be used on userspaces, giving credit for a image, and giving credit for an example. <scratchsig>Scratch-Coding</scratchsig> 17:44, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::You can use it on your userspace but I don't think it's necessary. Btw: What did you do to your signature? It's broken.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 20:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::This wouldn't be that beneficial to the Wiki, especially if it is mostly used on userspace. I still disagree. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent | 6}} Who would use it? <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, I don't think this is necessary. If you need to credit someone you don't need a template. Furthermore, you wouldn't need to credit anyone on mainspace, this is collaborative and we don't get/need credit for what we write here.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 15:26, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::Giving credit is not needed in mainspace and can be done manually:<br>
 
[[File:remix notice 3.0.png|100px]] Credit to [[User:Scratch-Coding|Scratch-Coding]] for this template.{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 23:41, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Tinkercad Codeblocks ==
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My browser (this page) just went pitch black for a split second. Did anyone else experience this?<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:No; but for that situation, also you can hard refresh or clean your cache directly.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::As in a simple black flash, that's normally when your browsers just rendered the page again. I wouldn't worry about it.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
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== Loss of session data ==
<scratchsig>LiamSapp123</scratchsig> 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::Maybe we should have one about Blockly <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I agree that we should make one on Blockly. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::{{not done|Further discussion needed}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== What happened to link previews? ==
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[https://ibb.co/J3FNV9Q]<br>Not exactly sure why, but when attempting to save an edit, I got a session error, but doing the edit again was fine. Has anyone else ever experienced this?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)<br/>
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:No. It may be a problem with your iPad or Safari. I haven't used either for editing for at least 4 months, so I cannot confirm. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 20:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::This sometimes happens when your session has conflicting data. Try doing that in an incognito (Chrome) or private (Firefox) window and see what happens, since that guarantees you have a fresh session.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 21:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  
{{not done}} They don't seem to be showing up for me at all anymore. Anybody else?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 02:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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== How do I make a fill width CSS for SWS2 ==
:Same here. Did someone turn it off? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::Also not getting previews (or at least when I tried it on [[Image Hosting]], linked above). I'll ping jvvg (since he was the one who enabled them).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Any reply from jvvg yet?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Have you found any information on this yet, anybody?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 23:22, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 
  
==Scratch program image==
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As per title. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
{{not done}} <br />
 
The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
 
<scratchsig> Mohie </scratchsig>
 
:Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
 
:Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.{{unsigned|12944qwerty}}
 
::He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in [[Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents]] needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
 
:::And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.
 
<scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Scratch Wiki Adventure ==
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== Thankful Thursday! September 24{{th}}, 2020 ==
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 032}}
  
On Wikipedia, there is an option for new Wikians to complete the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Adventure Wikipedia Adventure].  This teaches them skills and covers all the basics of using Wikipedia.  I think it'd be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Adventure of our own to teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki.  This would include editing tips, rules, etiquette, etc.  I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this idea and/or if anyone would like to work with me on creating this.<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 17:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
:<b>+1</b> {{e|:D}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::I hope you're prepared to put in the amount of work involved, because The Wikipedia Adventure is really involved (I've [[wikipedia:User:Kenny2wiki|done it]] once before) and a lot of stuff has to be created for it to work. I like the idea, but I don't know if anyone here has the follow-through to actually focus on a project like this that could take a week or more to make.
 
::If you think you can commit yourself (and furthermore get others to commit themselves) you can make a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]] of it. Good luck!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Woohoo; we got bureaucratic approval!  I think we can do it (maybe not ''as'' well as the Wikipedia Adventure, but still good).  I'll start thinkin' up some basic ideas to start us off.  If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know on my [[User talk:54329|talk page]]. {{e|:)}}<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::: Isn’t this going to be a duplicate of the  [[Help:Welcome|welcome tutorial]]? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::No, the Wikipedia Adventure is really involved and more interactive. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Adding on, when I did it, it felt a lot more like a game/activity than a guidebook.  It allows the user to actually collaborate, talk to people and create/edit a page all in a sandbox setting.  It helped me learn the basics of Wikipedia far more than a guide could (probably because I was really interested in it and getting those shiny badges was nice).<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Scratch Wiki Adventure/project}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:I can help some tech stuff maybe? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::I can help too! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:33, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I want to help too, so should I add myself or should 54329 do it as he's the owner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 01:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::In reply to both of you: Thanks for offering to help out!  I'll add both of your names to the list. For future people that wish to help: feel free to just add your name under the "Assigned" section. <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at [[User:Bigpuppy/Quests]]. {{e|:)}} It seems like this would be very different than that, though. {{cool|Good idea}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|5}}That's super cool that you made a quests page.  This will be semi-similar.  Feel free to stop by if you have any ideas for it. <small>''wink wink''</small><scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Moving Plural page titles to singular ==
 
{{not done}}
 
On the wiki, there are many page titles like "Blocks" and "Numbers". This makes it confusing to users and editors, as well as links. "<nowiki>[[Block]]s</nowiki> makes a link to singular that appears plural, but there is no equivalent for singular-appearing plural-leading links.
 
  
This is a big change in the Wiki, so further discussion will be needed to manage the moves.{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 00:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
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The next TT is, October 29{{th}}, see you then!
:Could we start a Scratch Wiki Project? I  definitely think we should keep the pages consistently singular. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 02:05, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:: Singular page titles would seem strange, since the plural describes a general thing, there is not only one. Also, I fixed a spelling mistake. {{unsigned|Congyingzhou}}
 
:::Many page titles cannot be made into plural form. Having both plural and singular forms is confusing and creates other problems. Singular page titles are also easier to work with, as I said in my first post. Also, remember to not change other users' posts without permission.
 
:::Should I put {{t|move}} on the plural pages?{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 00:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::::I'll put the template on as soon as possible (on the bottom){{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 03:44, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Next time, don't add {{t|move}} to all of them; either move them all right away or wait. It makes a bunch of edits in Recent Changes which will all need to be undone when the final decision is decided. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:02, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::So should we move them or not, and how will we do it? We will also need to fix many links and redirects.{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 00:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::Or should we just mark the pages and get a bot to move the, fix all the redirects and links, and change any other issues?{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}}
 
  
== 2.0 Image Updating ==
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{{not done}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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: wow big thanks <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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::Whoa! Thanks! {{E|:)}}{{User:4096bits/Signature}} 13:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  
A lot of images here need updating to 3.0. For example, the editor in the TOC, many Scratch Cats, etc. When will this be done? <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 10:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
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== userpage not showing /error ==
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{{done}}
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::: my user page [[https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788]] is showed as :::external link pls help me i need it to make my siggy how its done is it an error?
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<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 05:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: It is because of how you are trying to link to your userpage. To have an internal link, you only need the page name, not the full URL of the page. So for your userpage this would be: <code><nowiki>[[User:Arjunking788]]</nowiki></code>. This will create a link like this: [[User:Arjunking788]]. If you want to make the link say something other than the exact page title, like this: [[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]] (without the "User:"), then you can do this: <code><nowiki>[[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]]</nowiki></code>. The reason it displays a "Bad title" error is because you were mixing the external and internal link formats. An external link with custom text is done like this: <code><nowiki>[https://example.com Example Link]</nowiki></code> (notice how it uses a " " (space) instead of a "|"), so you were actually linking to a page called <code>User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788</code>, which isn't a valid page name, instead of <code>User:Arjunking788</code>, which is a valid page name.<scratchsig>Mrcomputer1</scratchsig> 06:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::thank you now i could work on my siggy and i learnt to format css and html to make borders and
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:::::rounded ones
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<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 11:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
  
:I've asked an admin to update the TOC image.  Not sure about the other ones. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 16:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
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== Good news, possibly ==
::There's not a set time when this will be done. It will be done gradually. Any time you see an image that needs updated, feel free to update it (but be sure to compress, crop, etc. the file).{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
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Sorry if this is kind of irrelevant on the CP, but I thought putting it here would be a good idea to stop my excitement-- I have a new computer now for my birthday, which probably means more quality edits around here! You can expect to see me around a lot more often than before, at least for a few days.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Awesome! Can you tell me what hardware it has?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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::It's a HP Pavilion gaming computer :D I'm mainly targetting to start working on a gaming channel, and this computer also has good visual effects which I need since I use programs like Scratch or the wiki a lot.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Ooh, how many cores does it have? Mine has 6 <s>abs</s> cores.<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 22:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: <small>yeah that's really relevant on the cp</small> anyway, congratulations then.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 22:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Epic, personally I'm going to [https://pcpartpicker.com/user/dominic03/saved/KtzFgs build my own] in a few months for $600.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Thankful Thursday! January 30{{th}}, 2020 ==
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== 2 problems ==
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 025}}
 
  
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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*1: Ken's canned edit script is broken (triggers when it shouldn't)
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*2: [https://ibb.co/x1JXg14 Visual editor problems]{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Number two also [http://u.cubeupload.com/bigpuppy/VisualEditorError.png happens for me] when I try to edit [[User:Bigpuppy/Status]] or [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox]] using the visual editor. Editing my userpage using the visual editor does not display the error. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I also get it on those pages, so the problem is by page. However, it also has worked for me on a number of pages without issue. I will look into this.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 03:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I was editing the Featured Studios with Visual Editor to test and got [https://i.ibb.co/C2RxHxg/image.png the error too]... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::The problem is that VisualEditor does not work on subpages. Unfortunately this is a limitation with Apache and the design of the extension. Unfortunately there isn't really much we can do about this for now other than wait for the developers of the extension to release a patch. As for Ken's canned edit script, please contact Ken directly about that, as that is supported by him and not the Wiki as a whole.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
The next TT is February 27{{th}}. See you then!
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== Upgrade complete! ==
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Why won’t this table work? ==
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Hi everybody,
{{not done}}
 
  
Link: [[User:Waffle_Iron_Studios/ScratchNet shop page]]<scratchsig>Waffle_Iron_Studios</scratchsig> 21:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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I am proud to report that the Wiki upgrade is complete! [[Special:Version|We are now running MediaWiki 1.35]], which should help resolve a lot of the technical issues we've had in the past. My apologies that the upgrade took somewhat longer than planned (a little over an hour instead of the 30 minutes anticipated). The only remaining major issue is that currently foreign file repositories are broken. The reason for this is that the other Wikis are still running MediaWiki 1.28 whose database structure (at least when it comes to files) is incompatible with that of MediaWiki 1.35. The other Wikis will be upgraded at some point in the future, and as each Wiki is upgraded, the file repository will also be linked.
: I think it's because the table does not have any line-breaks. See [[Help:Tables|this]]. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Thankful Thursday! February 27{{th}}, 2020 ==
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Also, we now have two big new features:
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 026}}
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*[https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/scratch-confirmaccount-v3 Our new in-house account request system], which replaces the existing system that was only a modification of an existing system. The new system allows for discussion about requests to take place on the Wiki itself rather than in comments, and also generally is more tailored towards being integrated with Scratch. This system was developed by me, apple502j, Naleksuh and kenny2scratch with translations provided by apple502j (Japanese), ahmetlii (Turkish), smrman (French), and Mini_Kostik (Russian)
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*[[mediawikiwiki:Extension:VisualEditor|The VisualEditor extension]], a visual editor. This is still in beta and is currently opt-in (preferences -> editing -> "Enable the visual editor"). We have made preliminary efforts to integrate it with ScratchWikiSkin, but this is still a work-in-progress. Please let us know of any specific issues you encounter.
  
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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Thank you everybody for your patience, and please let us know of any issues you may encounter!<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 02:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Great! Thank you to jvvg and everyone else who made this happen! The visual editor was enabled for me by default; was that supposed to happen? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::the wiki is now more clean and more better now. I love the new design when editing
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::<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::For some reason, all links are now underlined. This is really annoying, and only came after the update. Could this be fixed?<scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 12:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Yep, that happened to me too. Go to preferences, then appearance, then change the link underlining option. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 13:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Well, the default should be "skin or browser default". <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::It was for me? I didn't have to change my preferences.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Same here; "Skin or browser default" was enabled by default for me. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Well that's weird. Maybe you had already changed your settings in the past? <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 13:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
The next TT is March 26{{th}}. See you then!
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== RfC for Interface admins group ==
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 18:02, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 18:02, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== New Featured Images ==
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With the recent update to MediaWiki 1.35, a new group has been created: [[Special:ListGroupRights#interface-admin]]. Currently, nobody has this group-- however this is the only group that is able to edit pages like [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]. While we have policies for how to request Experienced Wikian (through annual elections) and sysop (through requests on Community portal); there is no policy as to how to request Interface admin as it is a new group to Scratch Wiki. There are several possible ideas for how users might request this group.
{{not done}}
 
  
Does anyone have suggestions for new featured images after these ones have run their course? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:52, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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Below there are three proposals. Keep in mind that these are not necessarily contradictory, multiple or all of them could coexist. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== IWB Interwiki Check ==
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=== Proposal 1: Allow interface admin to be requested permanently through the community portal ===
  
Hello everyone. It's been awhile since IWB has scanned the wikis for interwikis to add, and now is probably a good time to do that!
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==== Support ====
  
Below you'll find a list of proposed edits from the bot. It would be helpful if a few people could look at some proposed edits and double check them for errors:
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==== Oppose ====
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: I think the group is too specific for this to be useful-- I also think granting permanent access puts importance and does not allow specific tasks to be vetted as they should be. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
[[User:InterwikiBot/Proposed_Edits]]
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==== Comments ====
  
Several issues have already been discovered:
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=== Proposal 2: Allow interface admin to be requested temporarily (for a specific purpose) through [[/Admin Requests]] ===
  
* Not properly handling empty interwikis, ex <nowiki>en:</nowiki>, see the ja homepage
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==== Support ====
* test -> tw
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: Allows users to edit the interface as needed. Seems like the best path for requesting and allows specific tasks as well as not granting permanent access as needed. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
* The bot is proposing adding interwikis to other pages when they already have an interwiki for that language
 
* Help:Namespaces has a flat out wrong interwiki suggestion
 
  
This might take another round or two to remove perviously undiscovered bugs, but with the wikis growing more complex, it's important to get them now. Thank you <scratchsig>ErnieParke</scratchsig> 01:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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==== Oppose ====
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: "Hey can I have permissions to edit common.js? I want to [do something innocent]. - User1" "Sure, I'll grant you perms. - Admin1" "Thanks! - User1" ''User1 then proceeds to add a script that steals passwords. Admin1 quickly undos and bans User1, but the damage has been done. User1 can now login as User2 and User3.'' The exploitation possibility is too large here. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: True, but this could also easily happen through permanent requests on the community portal. I see you chose not to vote on proposal 1 at all, neither support nor oppose. Is that mistake or intentional? <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 21:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Intentional, I would've just been repeating your message. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 02:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
== Advertising article ==
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==== Comments ====
  
We really need to overhaul [[Dexter_Industries_GoPiGo_For_Raspberry_Pi|this article]]. A lot of it is just advertising the product. For example, do we really need a "Buying" section? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 23:17, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
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=== Proposal 3: Allow interface admin to be non-controversially granted to any user with server access ===
:[[Scratch Bit]] has also a buying section. But the entire page is just an ad. <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 08:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 
::I've moved the GoPiGo article to the creator's userspace (which has precedent - see the last topic on [[User talk:DexterInd]]) and removed the categories & advertisement notes.
 
::Scratch Bit is an official Scratch product and must be documented. It stays.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Sonic the Hedgehog ==
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==== Support ====
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: This is exactly how it used to be, and anybody with server access is trusted, and they usually won't make changes without the community's approval; they should still ask for feedback, but they should have the right. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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==== Oppose ====
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: This was initially proposed because users with server access have the ability to escalate their own permissions to begin with-- but I would still prefer they request it through the traditional method as the community should still at least be given a chance to weigh in on the attempted edits. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Right now the wiki is saturated with Sonic the Hedgehog stuff, specially the AF pages. Lots of example of stuff are Sonic stuff. The entire wiki feels like an indirect Sonic ad. We should change a lot of this examples. <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 11:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
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==== Comments ====
:Other than April Fools pages, could you give a few examples? <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 13:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 
::Just wiki search Sonic or Hedgehog. Also a lot of examples are by PrincessPandaLover and need to be changed int more generic stuff. <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 14:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:::If I'm not mistaken, the Sonic stuff is limited to only AF pages. It's fine to gradually phase AF pages away from Sonic content while making other edits to the pages, but don't go mass editing out Sonic stuff. (Do note that I don't really see a problem with a Sonic theme in AF pages lol){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Suggestion: Mention that the Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in German ==
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== link colors ==
  
Currently, the links under the 'Legal' category do not are not mentioned that they are in German. I suggest that the footer mentions that the content under the Legal category are in German.  
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::how do i change link colors in html like in siggy
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::<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 04:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Hi there! You can use this:
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:<code><nowiki><span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span></nowiki></code>
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:to make this:
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:<span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span>
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:You can also use hex codes, for example:
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:<code><nowiki><span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span></nowiki></code>
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:makes:
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:<span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span>
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:Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. Also, just so you know (for the future), generally there is no need to indent the first post of a topic. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 04:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::You could also use {{t|Link attributes}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Without mentioning that, some people might be confused that they are in German, and not English. They also [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 105#Privacy Policy Article|cannot be translated into English]] without it being inaccurate. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
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== Merge Check users and Supressors user groups with bureaucrats or administrators ==
:Why would they be German?<scratchsig>OurPrincess</scratchsig> 16:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 
::The Wiki servers are located in Germany and therefore follow the rules/regulations of Germany. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Would you be amenable to using the [https://example.com external link marker] on them instead? Putting "(German)" on a footer link seems unorthodox...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 
::::The servers are German because they are owned by Martin Wollenweber, who lives in Germany.<scratchsig>OurPrincess</scratchsig> 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 
::::: Maybe the Privacy Policy and the Disclaimers can be individually labelled that they are in German, or is that still 'unorthodox'? They could have 'in German' put in brackets after them. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Updating Translators page ==
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Except for the Interface Admin user group, two other user groups were added in the new MediaWiki upgrade. They are mentioned in the title of this topic. I think those groups are unnecessary and could be merged and have their rights moved to other usergroups. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 05:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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: These were actually removed already removed in 28, but were inadvertently restored by the upgrade. However, I personally feel like they should not be removed for a number of reasons:
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:: 1) CheckUser and Suppressor inherently mean access to confidential information, which is usually specifically mentioned in the privacy policy. Voting in users for bureaucrat should not typically result in access to private information.
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:: 2) Users who have access to such information generally are scrutinized much more than users who do not. Suppressors need to deal with PII like real names, home addresses, and anything else like that. It is not the role of a bureaucrat to handle stuff like that.
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:: 3) Scratch Wiki has a tendency to treat user groups like a hierarchy (i.e. Bureaucrat is better than sysop, which is better than Experienced Wikian). I think that these three new user groups help remove this bad aura.
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:: 4) Bureaucrat does not have an age requirement, but I do not want minors to have access to the information that CheckUsers and Suppressors do.
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:: There are a number of other reasons as well that they should not be merged, but this is just off the top of my head. Comments about Interface admin can be directed to a couple threads above this, which I assume Jammum has seen. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 05:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: For your last statement, literally 99% of users ''are'' under the age of 18. I'm a minor, and I feel extremely offended by this comment. It just enforces a stereotype that everyone under the age of 13 is dumb. Also, it wouldn't be a fair opportunity for everyone. I know that admins are encouraged to have access to the discord server, but it is not mandatory.
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::: For your 2nd statement, there isn't much personal info on my (and everyone else's) account. As long as you trust (or the majority trusts) the user, you'll be fine. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I don't see anything about 'all people under 13 are dumb' in the post above yours. Also there is definently personal info in our accounts - I wouldn't really want people to be able to see my email address.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Support to @Dominic305. There's also a legal side; we must ensure that someone is not using emails for email hacking or phishing - that's why we must give these roles to people that older 13 (for juridical capacity) and trusted users by the community. This doesn't mean that people under 13 is dumb, but that's risky - give a user that does not have juridical capacity may make unwanted legal consequences.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::: After reading these, I have a proposal. There should be 2 bureaucrat ranks. One for users under the age of 13, and one for users over the age of 13. If a user is elected or appointed bureaucrat, and they happen to be underage, they would get a similar rank to normal bureaucrat but the permissions regarding the viewing and changing of personal information would be removed. This wouldn't be publicised unless the user does it themselves. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}
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Imho nobody needs to have those perms. And just because somebody is over 13, they're automatically not going to do anything malicious with the emails? I signed up with my personal email, and I don't want anybody to know my name (I prefer anonymity). Besides, how would you know they are 13? I can easily say I'm 22, although that's a blatant lie. How would allowing any user group to view emails benefit the wiki? {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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: First of all, the age in question would be 18 and not 13 as 13-year-olds are still minors and are not legally able to sign non-disclosure agreements (although they are able to be bound by privacy policies). Also, I think that simply having two groups based on age only (halfway) solves one of the issues at hand and does not solve any of the others. For example, one could be granted CheckUser/Supressor and not bureaucrat; or bureaucrat and not CheckUser/Suppressor. The two groups should not be merged into bureaucrat, and I think that having seperate groups for users who are over or under 13 is simply problematic, discriminatory, and does not solve the issues at all. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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: To VFDan, while asking for a users' birthday is sufficient for COPPA compliance, for access to confidential information, proof of legal identification is usually required, and lying about the age would immediately be found out. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: If the age would be 18, then let's just get rid of literally every single admin or EW! I have a hunch that almost every EW/Admin is under 18, leaving the very few 18+ admins to do all the work. Many adults have jobs to do, and that explains their activity. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
The Scratch Team is no longer actively maintaining the translators page https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Translators
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== Skin problems ==
  
I'd like to remove the Scratch Team only badge and allow folks from the translation community to update the page. Ideally there would be just one or two people per language that would keep things up to date for their language.
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It seems that the Cologne Blue and Modern skins do not work at all. Once you switch to one of them, every page will look like [https://ibb.co/W0Gk7TQ this (Modern)] or [https://ibb.co/LJB762W this (Cologne Blue)]. If the skin is accidently set you can append <code>?useskin=vector</code> so you can revert your settings, but this should still probably be fixed ASAP so new editors don't have this problem and not know how to fix it. It may also be my iPad acting weird so if anyone wants to test it use the Preview function.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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: Let me test on macOS with Chrome... <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Can reproduce on Chromium Microsoft Edge v85.0.564.63 on Windows 10 v1909. Must be something that was broken during the update. {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Probably needs to be updated itself for compatibility. Looks like whatever function it did no longer exists.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 16:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::These were removed from core MW somewhere between 1.28 and 1.35. They have to be manually added or removed. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 17:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I have updated all skins, so you should be good now. Do be aware that we only provide official support for ScratchWikiSkin.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
Would there be a different process for translators to join as a wiki editor? Are there different suggestions for having the translators page managed by the community?
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== Minor Grammatical Issue in Footer ==
  
Thanks,
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It says "Privacy policy" instead of Privacy Policy. Should not this be fixed? <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 17:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
--Chris
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:It's same though and I think that it should not be capitalized because of it's a general title (bundled with MediaWiki).{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}}
{{unsigned|Chrisg}}
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::It's capitalized on Scratch though <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Ok! I'll remove the banner at the top of the page for you. As for the translation community updating the page, we can not allow a different application processes for translators joining the wiki, though they are welcome to follow the current application processes and join the wiki that way. Also if they chose not to join they can always leave a post on the [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/294197/ Community Portal in the forums] with what should be updated and one of our editors will happily make the change. Please let us know if there is anything else we can do. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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:::Should we copy everything on Scratch's footer to here? There are a lot of links there that aren't here.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: This is not a "grammatical issue" or something that must be "fixed"-- capitalization like that is common, but Scratch Wiki has the idea of Capitalizing Everything Ever. For example, the default capitalization for [[Special:RecentChanges]] is <code>Recent chamges</code>, but was changed on Scratch Wiki to <code>Recent changes</code>. As for copying over the Scratch footer, a rewrite of ScratchWikiSkin into ScratchWikiSkin3 was proposed on Discord, but I do not know if that is happening. Currently, the skin uses various MediaWiki messages, usually introducing new ones, but sometimes using existing ones, which I would guess Privacy policy is one of those cases. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Done.
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

No Never Done

See dedicated subpage
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Misdirected Request error

No Moved to Scratch Wiki:Bugs
Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I have this problem too, also on an iPad. I might have gotten it on my computer before, but I don't remember.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
11:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
It happened on my Windows desktop just today. I think the Wifi disconnected when the screen turned off, maybe something similar happened to the iPads?
Jettypumpkin07 (talk | contribs) 11:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically

No Not done
It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

TemplatesFTW already does that; or do you mean a different way of automating it? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
@ContourLines — you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, S:STYLE says not to use the external link markup (see #internal-scratch-links). You can use [[users:USERNAME]] for users, [[studios:ID]] for studios, and [[projects:ID]] for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to S:STYLE (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

How to Connect to the Physical World Is really outdated

How to Connect to the Physical World is really outdated.
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Please use internal links for links to other Scratch Wiki pages. As for this, maybe you could try to update part of it yourself?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
@Jammum Thank you for pointing out the usage of an external link. I've corrected the formatting so that @GrahamSH can see how it is done correctly (@Jammum please wait for an EW/administrator to correct if you see this elseware). @GrahamSH I would ask that you be more specific in the types of changes that we should collaborate in order to accomplish. Thanks
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 17:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Would it possible to prevent users from using external links to wiki pages in the AbuseFilter?

Question is in title. If this were to be implemented (if it even is possible), would it apply to all non-userspace or just mainspace?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 10:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

It's possible but I would never do this because sometimes there's a legitimate use for external links. Possibly an AbuseFilter warning, rather than disallow?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I am asking about disallowing external links to other Scratch Wiki pages, not all external links.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 09:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
There is sometimes a legitimate use for external links to the Scratch Wiki, e.g.: [1]
Unless you're just talking about content pages. Still, though, there are probably some special cases where disallowing it would be inconvenient. A warning might be good, though. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
The fullurl template can be used for some of those links that cannot be linked normally, so does that solve the problem?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 07:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
(Reviving this) I think if a user uses an external link to Scratch Wiki pages, the proper way to do a link to another Wiki page could be shown. The edit could either be warned or prevented.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 13:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Allowing borders in custom sigs

I think we should allow borders in custom signatures. S:CSIG states that there shouldn't be borders in custom sigs, but so many people already have it in their signatures (kenny2scratch, 12944qwerty, EIephant_Lover, Dominic305, ahmetlii, ContourLines, ajsya, etc.) As long as the border isn't needlessly large or flashy, I believe it's fine.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  03:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't recall whether the rule disallows all borders. In either case, though, this is a conflict of interest because I see you have borders in your signature too...
I agree, but then again I have borders already as well. I'd prefer if some people without borders contributed an opinion.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I think it's fine as long as it's not too large or draws any extra attention to the signature. I'm not sure how large "too large" would be though.
Groko13 Logo.png Groko13 / talk / contribs 15:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree too; I think also as long as it doesn't break lines (like text shadows) it should be allowed. But I'm biased too because I use them :P
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
16:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! August 27th, 2020

Welcome to the 31st Thankful Thursday! August 27th, 2020.

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Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
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Groko13 (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for pointing out the error in my TT post!
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
ContourLines (talk | contribs)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for always being kind when telling someone about a mistake and always using a smiley emoticon at the end of your posts!
    ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 08:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for showing me how to format posts correctly.
    Acebsa (talk | contribs) 20:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs)
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


The next TT is, September 25th, see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 00:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Done
<scratchsig>Jakel181 (talk | contribs)

Time for some more...images that will be featured!

No Not done

I don't know, I had to think of another title idea. :P

If you have any ideas for featured images, feel free to post them below! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I think we should feature an image of the S:CPND discussion that suggests adding a designated page for featured image suggestions. :P
I think that this image is nice, but perhaps we should update it (and the other images on Scratch Statistics).
Groko13 Logo.png Groko13 / talk / contribs 03:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm thinking this image is good enough to be featured.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
07:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
@Groko13 — yes. :P
How about File:Flag as Inappropriate.png? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
+1, but first change the file's name with a consensus.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
(Update: File:Flag as Inappropriate.png is now File:Report Project.png.) :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
File:Flag as Inappropriate.png also needs to be updated, the report button was moved.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
01:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────+1 for the report project image!
@Dominic305 Added the template to File:Report Project.png. Someone can update it if they wish.
TenType (talk | contribs) 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Updated
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  18:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

RfC about the usage of fixed with in ScratchWikiSkin2

Hello all. As you may have noticed, ScratchWikiSkin2 seems to used a fixed width (similar to Fandom's Oasis skin), as a holdover from previous skins designed to look similar to scratch.mit.edu -- however, I and several other users have noticed an increasing number of problems using fixed width. Fixed widths generally leave a large amount of the screen entirely unused, and show a small amount of the page content. It also introduces design problems that rely on fixed width and break for some users. The current, fixed width style, looks a bit like this. I am proposing to use free-styled width based on the screen resolution (a mockup something like [ https://i.imgur.com/UEd14yX.png this], ignore the blue line, that is accidental and will not be shown in the final version). This allows for a larger content space, as well as making the view more consistent across skins. Please let me know if you support or oppose this proposal.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: I would also appreciate if all could specify what skin they use when commenting? (The information is helpful, most are likely either using ScratchWikiSkin2 or Vector, but others like me primarily use Monobook).
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 01:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
I support. Fixed width looks terrible. (Reply to the addendum: I use SWS2)
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  01:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
(SWS2 user) Consistency across skins is completely irrelevant - consistency with the Scratch website is more important. We use fixed width to emulate the mainsite, which does the same. If you want free width, you can make a user CSS file for it.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
I personally am of the belief that consistency with the Scratch website is "completely irrelevant" -- this is a third party site with different needs and goals. This is where a lot of the design has been poured into as well, such as by changing the header to a different color. There does indeed appear to be support for increasing the width apart from Kenny2scratch's comment. However, custom CSS files are not relevant here as what is being discussed is not personal views (I use Monobook) but what would actually improve the skin, primarily to those logged out and browsing the wiki.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 17:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree with the above statement. I have an ebic gamer HD monitor, and SWS2 is tiny on my monitor. There are at least 500 pixels of free space. It almost looks like it was designed for a tablet (it fits perfectly on iPadOS). This is the reason why I use Vector because it takes up almost all of my monitor space. You technically could make a CSS script for it, but the majority of users here (not everyone) don't know any other programming languages and/or markup languages than Scratch.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
If you like Vector, use Vector. If you like SWS2 enough to keep using it but also want non-fixed width, then use user CSS. For those not logged in, fixed width is what they get, because that's what they'll be used to from the Scratch website. I don't consider fill width an improvement, only a matter of preference. Find me examples of people (who have no relation to you) actually asking for fill width SWS on, say, the forums, and then it'll be more worth considering.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
I support. While garnetluvcookie said it looks like it's designed for a tablet, personally I prefer setting zoom to 75% or 85% on most pages. However setting the zoom on the Wiki causes content to get squished and lots of tables (including on File: pages) to overflow into the empty space. And on my 1080p display, it looks like a site designed for computers from 2009.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Centralized Cross-Wiki Discussion

Hi everyone,

Since all of the various Scratch Wikis are hosted on the same server and part of a common community, they have a number of things in common, including outreach efforts (such as Wiki Wednesday) and technical aspects. This means that some changes (especially technical ones) will affect all wikis, not just the Wiki for one language. We usually like to seek community feedback before implementing major changes, but currently there is no centralized place to do that between all languages. As a result, changes either do not get community input at all or just get input from the community for one language (usually English, i.e. this one). We do have the Test Wiki for both new language-specific Wikis off the ground and coordinating cross-wiki stuff.

Therefore, I propose making it so anyone who has an account on any language-specific Wiki may have an account on the Test Wiki (you would still need to request it, but you can just say "I have an account on [language] Wiki") and that we host all cross-Wiki discussions there. Announcements for any major discussions would still be posted on the English Community Portal so everybody remains aware of any active discussions without having to check the Test Wiki Recent Changes.

Thoughts, everyone?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea. Probably because I helped with writing the proposal, but good!
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 01:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I also think this is a great idea! It's important that we have a place for conveniently discussing matters that involve all the wikis, and this would provide that place. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree with this as well!
Groko13 Logo.png Groko13 / talk / contribs 01:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Handy links to the discussions on the other wikis about this:
The discussions on the other wikis link back here (since jvvg used Google Translate to translate this version into each language). I wanted to post these here so that the users reading this topic can see what the users on other wikis think about this idea. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
This idea would benefit a lot. Also, I have a question about this: would the cross-wiki discussion be separate from the Test Wiki community portal, or would they be on the same page.
I also wrote earlier in a probably now archived topic that I was not planning to join the test wiki, but if this gets implemented, I might join to take part in those discussions.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
The French Scratch Wiki now has a discussion about this here: fr:Discussion Scratch Wiki en Français:Accueil de la Communauté#Centralized Scratch Wiki Discussions :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, the discussion on the Japanese Scratch Wiki was moved to this page: ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場/一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I have another question about this idea: if this were to happen, would any language be used (I myself do not speak any language other than English fluently) or will only English be used in cross-wiki discussions?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 17:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I support, even though I already have a test wiki account :P. Also, we should consider modifying common.js so it shows "Test" rather than "Twi" in the left sidebar, but I'll add that as a proposal to the new Test Wiki CP when it's set up.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  19:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── (Level of indentation is to reply to OP) Question about the Request on Test Wiki thing; I have moved since I requested, do I have to request an account for this account, or can I use my new account?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I support, maybe we should make a single sign on so when you have a wiki account you automatically get a test wiki account.
Acebsa (talk | contribs) 20:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

An idea

Hi everyone, I had an idea recently to make a way for non-wiki editors to suggest changes if they don't want to go through the hassle of making a wiki account. Maybe a google form or something that editors can look at and, if needed, make the change.
Acebsa (talk | contribs) 04:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Scratchers are allowed to suggest changes through the Scratch Wiki's forum topic.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 04:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
For reference, the Scratch Wiki forum topic is located here. It is also used to ask questions about the wiki as well.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
The issue with that, I found, is that few actually know about it and the non-wikian posts are just random questions about scratch in general.
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 16:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 107#Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies continuation

I am just reviving the discussion mentioned in the title above because it was archived and it did not seem to be completed. Also, on the latest Wiki Wednesday topic, no notice in the first post telling Scratchers not to spam in the topic was put in.

In the discussion linked above, I mentioned some examples of what the notice would mention as being spam. I also think posts only saying 'Hi', 'Hello' or something similar could also be mentioned as being spam.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 15:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Isn't it just common sense not to spam? It's already against the CGs, so I don't see a use for it or it's because I stalk the Announcements forum, get a first-page post, and move on. It could be useful to the 5 year-olds here that need a notice saying "Don't spam, it's sUpEr AnNoYiNg!11!!1"
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

RfC about User:Gdpr000001, User talk:Gdpr000001 and S:B redirects

As explained in the title, these are discussed on their related talk pages and User talk:Ahmetlii, but I'd like to an RfC for solving the question.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

The first two have already been discussed at Talk:Gdpr0000001#Removing_several_redirects_to_this_page to delete, neutral on where S:B is targetted.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 06:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
But also, the discussion about gdpr has a few users and only 2 active users(me and Naleksuh), this doesn't mean a consensus because it goes to a discussion between two users.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Resolved and Unresolved Templates

No Not done

There are many discussions on talk pages on the wiki that get abandoned until someone discovers them again. Wouldn't it be helpful if we had a list of all the pages with unresolved discussions that have yet to be finished? Here are some advantages to a list like this:

  • In many cases, discussions won't get abandoned without being documented as unresolved discussions somewhere.
  • Users who want discussions to contribute to can just look at the list for some unresolved discussions.
  • It would improve the wiki's organization.

I think one way we could implement a system like this would be with two templates: {{unresolved}} and {{resolved}}.

The {{unresolved}} template would mark the discussion with "unresolved." It would also add the page to the hidden category Category:Pages With Unresolved Discussions, and provide a link to the category. If the page was in the "User talk" namespace, it would not be added to the category. This is so that if users want to use the templates on their own talk pages, they can, but users looking for discussions to participate in won't have to dig through user talk pages. There would also be a cat=no option to manually prevent the page from being added to the category. I've created a draft of this template at User:Bigpuppy/Unresolved. Note that the category part is commented out right now, so that pages don't get added to a nonexistent category. If this suggestion gets accepted, it will be un-commented.

The {{resolved}} template would mark the discussion with "resolved." It would have a date parameter that would show when the discussion was resolved. Resolved discussions would not be added to any category (unless that is something we want). I've created a draft of this template at User:Bigpuppy/Resolved.

Here are answers to some questions you may have:

Don't we already have the Yes Done and No Not done templates?
Yes. However, those templates don't have all of the functionality that the {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates would provide. If we added this functionality to the Yes Done and No Not done templates, all of the discussions that were not actually marked Yes Done but still have the template on them (e.g. if the template was used in casual conversation) would be added to the category.
Would these templates replace the Yes Done and No Not done templates?
No. Those templates would still be used in casual conversation and in tandem with the {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates (e.g. "is this conversation Yes Done?"). The {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates would be used more formally at the top of discussions.
Would use of these templates be required?
No. However, it would be recommended, so that the page gets added to the category of pages with unresolved discussions.
Would anyone be allowed to add these templates to any discussion, even ones they didn't create?
Yes. Similar to how the Yes Done and No Not done templates are used now, anyone would be able to mark a discussion as resolved or unresolved, even if they didn't create it.
The drafts you created look curiously similar to the {{shortcut}} template.
That's because I based part of their code on the {{shortcut}} template. :P

Kenny2scratch implemented semi-similar templates at User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks. They are similar in that they are templates located in the top-right of a discussion and show whether the discussion is done or not.

So, thoughts? Do you like the idea? Do you think it could use some improvement? Do you think we shouldn't create these templates at all? Please share your thoughts below. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

We already have S:CPND as a "unresolved" placeholder archive. I didn't see any usage of it unless marking "resolved" and "unresolved", and this gets another question: Will it be done or will not? (like 1 and 0, not includes 2 or 4). I don't think it's not important enough and @Kenny2scratch is using his permalinks to "never done" topics. I can support never done but not resolved-unresolved. Any opinions?
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
S:CPND isn't really relevant here because this wouldn't necessarily be used on the CP (but it could); the main purpose is for things like article talk pages. Could you clarify what you mean in the rest of your comment? Also, User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks includes done topics; look at the statuses on the right of each discussion. However, that was just an example. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary for article talk pages, because they don't need an archive or a job queue. It's not necessary as I think and said before.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your opinion. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
You're welcome. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Couldn't we just add the functionality to {{done}} and {{not done}}?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Please see the answer to "Don't we already have the Yes Done and No Not done templates?" in my original post. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:41, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

True, but you also stated that we could use cat=no as the default cat option. That way, all you'd need to do for casual conversation is add {{not done}} on the section. But on an "official" conversation, we would add cat=yes.
2 questions though: Would only {{unresolved}} add to a category? And, doesn't adding to a category add the entire page?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Oops, first question has been answered as soon as i posted lol
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

GitHub interwiki links

There seem to be a lot of GitHub links (including references) to the Scratch Wiki. Although the URL is not very long, maybe LLK github links (and maybe other github links) could have an interwiki link made for them (such as gh-llk, not 'gh' due to the presence of non-LLK github links as well).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think so. Github is an external link, even its links host Scratch repos. They may cause confusion. Plain links are a better solution.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

About updating MediaWiki

TL;DR: We're doing some tests to update MediaWiki due to some problems. Probably the wiki shut down for a few hours when it's ready to be installed. (Note: This is not an official explanation because made by me, so may be ignored)

As the developers, we're currently experiencing some problems on general extensions due to errors; and to solve them, we're thinking to upgrade our wiki to 1.35. This upgration will change a lot of things, from icons to security patch; so we're doing patches to ensure that our extensions will work successfully. When all preparations are completed, probably someone from admins will make an explanation.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Where did you get the information about the MediaWiki update here?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump

TL;DR: We're upgrading to MediaWiki Version 1.35. Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2020

Why upgrade?

Currently we're using MediaWiki 1.28, which is unsupported. This caused some problems and MW 1.28 is also incompatible with some extensions. This is why we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35, a LTS version soon to be stable.

Timeline

Time not set, but this is a big project which can take weeks.

Checklist

Extensions and Skins:

  • Yes Compatible ScratchWikiSkin2
  • Yes Compatible ScratchLogin (patch applied to fix warning)
  • Yes Replaced ConfirmAccount (new version built)
  • Yes Compatible Report (patch needs review)
  • Yes Compatible ScratchSig
  • Yes Replaced EditAccount (new version built)
  • Yes Compatible ScratchBlocks4
  • Yes Compatible RecentChangesWebhooks
  • Yes Compatible VisualEditor (but sb blocks will be only seen as string)

Bots:

  • Yes Compatible InterwikiBot
  • Yes Compatible TemplatesFTW
  •  Internal errors WikiMonitor (has problems about dependencies)

Misc:

  • Yes Compatible Special:BlockList patch - new version created
  • Yes Compatible Common.css
  •  Incompatible Common.js (sigwarn is problematic)

Discussion

This is gonna be big.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 08:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Question: Is Vector going to be compatible with it? I sometimes use SWS2 but I mostly use Vector on my laptop.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
@garnetluvcookie: Definitely because MediaWiki uses Vector as default.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
13:45, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
While we are doing this, can we add the VisualEditor? I have used it at snapwiki.miraheze.org, and it works great! I'm so excited for this update!
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 22:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
We are planning on adding the Visual Editor, however a bit of adaptation is necessary.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  01:03, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Why is the VisualEditor incompatible with ScratchWikiSkin2? As far as I know, (and I've been exploring this) the skin has all of the necessary hooks. Has anyone tried it?
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 16:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
@GrahamSH: I tried and tested. I know it has all necessary hooks, but also it cannot simulate the editing visually(because our skin is restrictive). We (as all developers in the Wikis) are looking for compatibility.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Update: VisualEditor is working currently with a few unimportant things like sb is not seen as block.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────(Remember to outdent at 6) What changes are there between 1.28 and 1.35? I know there's visual editor but I'm not sure what else.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
00:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

If Scratchblocks are to be added to the VisualEditor here, how will they be inputted?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 07:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
@Jammum: We're working on it for editing blocks visually. Probably we will use text, but also the blocks will be seen instantly on VisualEditor when someone did an edit on the Scratchblocks text.
@Dominic305: There are a lot changes, I suggest you to read all changelogs between 1.28 and 1.35.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
07:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Will the extension Popups be enabled instead of the current thing in the common.js? Popups, (the extension) is much better.
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 12:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, since Special:BlockList patch is broken, you could try using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 14:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the helping, but the developers is thinking that manually editing MediaWiki is better than use an extension for it. Anyway, thanks again! :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
14:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I am not sure where Ahmetlii got the idea above-- nobody has even suggested that, in addition to it being a bad idea for a number of technical reasons that I am sure ISW understands. There have not been any suggestions for a way of implementing Special:BlockList privacy, but I will see about some solutions.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 18:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── For VisualEditor, couldn't you do something similar to the way it's done in scratch forums?
I wish I could help but I don't know a single thing about PHP
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think so. BBS systems and wikis are two different things. btw, I'm not also good at PHP (my specialty is Python on backend)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
They are, but I wasn't saying that you use the systems. I was just saying to use the concepts of how the scratchblocks are entered into the visual space.
SAME, but I actually don't know a single thing of PHP
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually, it could look for typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
What do you mean by the tags are found? We use <scratchblocks> tags to make scratchblocks on the wiki...
In the visualeditor, we could just make a button, that will make something similar to the templates popup in the visualeditor. Then edit and it makes the block!
Edit conflict lol, but I wouldn't recommend deleting your entire post and replacing it with something else. It doesn't tell others what your previous thoughts were, (they could support you, or not) And is that typof= supposed to link anywhere?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
In the visualeditor, elements with scratchblock have typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks" in their html. But, there is no text (shown) that says <scratchblocks>
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 01:05, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
That's because <scratchblocks> get's replaced with <pre class="block"> or <code class="block"> to make scratch blocks...
I'm sorry but I don't understand your point.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I looked at the MediaWiki website and it said that the EditAccount extension is archived, which might be why it does not work on the latest MediaWiki version. Is it going to be forked or replaced?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 10:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

We're working on it. The only thing is we will not use EditUser (because it's so restrictive). Please check the GitHub repos of the International Scratch Wiki for public changelogs of the Scratch Wiki systems.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
11:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
apple502j has created an alternative to EditAccount that can be used on MediaWiki 1.35: PassEdit. The original reason we needed EditAccount was for the case when users forgot their passwords and emails were set incorrectly (or they entered their email incorrectly when requesting an account and couldn't get their password sent to them when their account was created). However, now that we have ScratchLogin, that is no longer an issue, since users can reset their password by using their Scratch account. We have tested the extension and it does work, but we are not sure if we will enable it or not.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

am i allowed to edit user messages if...

Am I allowed to edit user messages if the user calls me something I don't like to be called (only to fix what they call me)? Lots of people call me "Garnetluvcookie", which I don't like because I'm very sensitive about how the G in my name is capitalized.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

That is not an allowed usage of editing others' messages. Especially not when Garnetluvcookie is infact your username, although you may prefer something else and are allowed to make others aware of that.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
oml is this just to trigger me
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
also my scratch username is @garnetluvcookie, MediaWiki just auto capitalized the G.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
The message was not intended to "trigger" anything-- you asked a question and I answered it. While I am aware that MediaWiki does strictly capitalize username, and you are allowed to edit your signature or use displaytitles on your user (talk) page as appropriate, it would not be appropriate to chastise others for referring to what is your actual name. It also does not constitute editing another users' message as this can sometimes misrepresent what they are saying.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message. To garnetluvcookie, ask Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Just don't ask him right now, of course. He's busy with his studies. (So am I but I can't resist replying to talk messages...)
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
00:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

"Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message." This sarcastic comment is not helpful here. The point is that messages are edited when they are in violation of policies or when they are causing some other problem (for example, messages with erroneous formatting such as unclosed tags, messages adding a page to a category, or something like that. In addition, I have had others edit my messages in a way that changes their meaning before that has needed to be undone. The actors were doing so in good faith, but it was still problematic.
"Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him." So, he has a bias, meaning probably not the best ask. Instead, see the already existing well-established policy which says it should not be edited. In general, talk page messages are treated like userspace.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
garnetluvcookie, I realize that you may not like the name, but you shouldn't change another person's edit. Instead, you should reply kindly asking them to stop calling you that and to call you the names you prefer.
You also shouldn't be "triggered" against a capitilization. MediaWiki, and autocorrect, will capitilize yours, and others, names.
If they continue calling you that name (or purposely capitilize it), that's a completely different story.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
The user repeatedly keeps calling me Garnetluvcookie , and I've reported the revisions and no action has beeen taken.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Have you asked the user to stop?
I also don't think reporting the revision for this matter is appropriate.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I have asked the person to stop at least 4 times.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  17:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok... but instead of reporting their revision, ask an admin or someone. But please assume good faith in the future. It may be an accident.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I am assuming good faith. It's most likely an accident, but it's just something I'm sensitive about and annoys me... a lot.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Great! Just a suggestion: maybe include the names you don't want to be called on your userpage.
May I ask why the capital 'G' annoys you?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Sure. There are many reasons why, but the important one is that I never put capital letters in my usernames because it messes up literally my whole profile page for some reason and makes me look like someone who Talks Like This.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
i just realized i single-handedly blew up the CP 😲
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
That's a weird reason in my perspective, but you do you....
Only 4 KB left to go before archiving ;)
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Do I what?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Clarification: You must not use Report extension unless you need to contact admins urgently and privately, like sharing email or vandalism. If you "abused" Report extension, you may be blocked.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 19:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I don't want to start a flame, but I believe that was a fair report because it may seem small to you, but it affects me mentally and emotionally.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe make a less strict report extension? In this case, the 'new' report button could've been used to report a user that hasn't stopped calling garnetluvcookie with a 'G'...
I'm not sure, it's just a thought....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
So there's been a lot of discussion on both sides of this matter - I thought it would be appropriate to share my two cents on the matter. To be clear, I do not wish for my reply to be hostile, demeaning, or rude, simply a summary on my thoughts.
I do not believe that it is a "weird perspective" to have a preferred way of being referred to as. Sometimes the little things can really tick people off, and I understand that. I also understand that MediaWiki autocapitalizes names, such as jvvg/Jvvg, however we should all take note of people's preferred names and call them by that rather than their MediaWiki name.
In instances where a user has been referred to incorrectly, whether intentionally or inadvertently (as has been stated before, Assume Good Faith :)), the proper course of action should be to ask the user nicely not to refer to you as that and give a correct preferred name, which I can see has been done here multiple times. I understand it may upset/annoy the user who has been incorrectly referred to, however editing a message should not happen, which I can also see has not taken place. Good job!
Reporting should also not usually be used in these circumstances - instead, CC an admin or EW into the conversation and they will (hopefully) ask the user nicely to use the correct name.
@garnetluvcookie I understand that how you are referred to affects you deeply. Please don't think you are being told off here. In fact, by asking the user nicely to not call you by a certain name, you've done the right thng. Well done. :)
I think we all need to calm down and hold off sarcastic, snidy, or mean comments. We're a community built on being welcoming and enjoyable, let's keep it that way. :)
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 20:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Small question: what do you mean by CC? Isn't that a copyright
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
@12944qwerty CC, as in, carbon copy, I assume.
If you didn't know, CC is for sending a copy to another user for their information. Primary recipients are addressed as "TO" and others as "CC". (there's also BCC, but I don't want to go into more detail) :P
TenType (talk | contribs) 20:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Oh, that makes sense lol. thanks
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  21:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

archive the CP

I'm amazed that i basically made it blow up :P (i need to reset my sig so unsigned)
-unsigned comment by garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)

 Archiving...
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes Archived
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it)

No Not done
i can't explain anything so here goes... I've seen many people getting the "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB" message. Why? These users uploaded files that are like 6 KB. 6 KB!!! That's incredibly small, at least for file sizes. I believe that the minimum file size for compression should be raised to 20 KB because that's a size that's small, but large enough that it's too big. Thoughts?
Glc.jpg ♥ garnetluvcookie ♥ | ♥ talk ♥ | ♥ contribs ♥ 00:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I think the title of this topic should actually be "Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it)" (or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?) :)
Also, could you please clarify which message you're talking about?
  • Special:Upload states "Is the image's filesize over 300KB? If it is, please compress it. TinyPNG is recommended for PNGs and JPEGs (contrary to the name, it does support JPEG)."
  • The abuse filter warning that appears when you upload a file that's too large also uses the 300KB number, stating "If your file is over 300KB, please compress it. TinyPNG is recommended for PNGs and JPGs."
  • The message that TemplatesFTW posts on users' talk pages after it compresses their files does not state any number, but rather states that "... the image size was kinda big ...".
None of the above messages mention that you should "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB," so could you please clarify which message you are talking about? If I'm missing something obvious, please point it out. Thank you! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Ahh, yes I meant increase, it's just pretty late where I am and I'm a bit sleepy. Also, the compress if it's over 2 KB thing was a joke to show how low the compressing thing is :P. I'll fix the post before I fall asleep in my chair.
Glc.jpg ♥ garnetluvcookie ♥ | ♥ talk ♥ | ♥ contribs ♥ 02:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Yeah people take compression way too seriously. Maybe at 30mb losslessly you should consider compressing, but there's no reason to compress something already only 20 kb (which is incredibly small in 2020, a lot of JavaScript files are bigger). Some images have been compressed so aggressively that the text becomes difficult to read and have needed to be reverted. The file dimensions were recently increased to 1080p a couple weeks ago, but there hasn't been much comment on file size. I personally think that an increase on file size limit would be very helpful as compression has been taken way too seriously (in most cases it has almost no benefit, although there are always exceptions). In addition, admins for some reason can upload files up to 218 times larger than non-admins, which again I think is another unnecessary line.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 02:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Exactly. All it does is decreases file size by like 4 KB. Personally I think that compression is taken wayy too seriously here.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  02:31, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Tone down the rejected messages on S:BR archives

Note Note: None of this was made to offend the people who reject bot requests. Please take no offense.

Some of the rejected summaries at S:BR rejected requests are very unwelcoming. For example, my rejected message had "User has no programming experience" which comes off extremely rude, and when I do have programming experience (if you count Scratch as a programming language... *awkward smile*). The only reason that I don't is because I'm incredibly young, not even in middle school. If I was 5 years older, I would've created a bot already. (Please don't argue this point against me, I don't want the summary bored into my head)

Also, a user may not have much experience in the language, but that doesn't mean that they are incapable of creating a bot. I know many people online (haha don't ask about IRL) that are new to the language that they chose, but they've created amazing stuff. It's enforcing the stereotype of "young children are dumb and can't do complex stuff". No matter how minor, it's still showing bad behavior as a role-model.

This doesn't mean that the admins need to rewrite every single rejected summary, they just need to be more considerate about how others will feel. extreme nostalgia and/or cringe side affects may occur in 3... 2... 1... It's like that concept that everyone was taught in early grade school, fill others buckets, don't dump them.

now my fingers hurt :P
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

As mysteriously as he arrived, NYCDOT was gone again. Hi. I checked out your BR, and it appears that Ken wrote "Proposer has no programming experience and VoxBot is the only approved typography bot." He said it like it is, you have no experience. What is he supposed to say? We aren't going to give out gold stars to people who propose that they create their own bots without any idea how to do so. Try out a some programming languages before proposing a a new Wiki Bot, and I'm sure the next time you have a BR the admins will be more than happy to review your request. As for the bot idea itself, VoxBot is an approved bot that we know works well and does its job. If you have problems with it, I'm sure KrIsMa will listen to your suggestions.
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 18:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I do have programming experience, I just only knew Scratch at the time I suggested it. Also, even though I apparently am dumb, I do know a good bit of Python.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Two things. One, no one ever said you were dumb. Not knowing how to do a certain thing doesn't make you dumb. Two, at the time of the bot request, you pretty much had no experience. While you may have some now, that doesn't change the past. If you think of a new, useful bot, you can propose one again.
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 18:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Welcome back NYCDOT, I came back recently too :P, also, remember about your indents :P
Scratch is not counted as programming knowledge. Although you could use scratch knowledge to code with other languages, knowing scratch only isn't enough. Can you make a bot with scratch coding? No, you cannot. Ken writing that you have no programming experience is completely fine. You agreed you have no programming experience outside of Scratch.
Although it may be rude for you, it is in no way meant to be rude. Ken wrote all details in his rejected message so that everyone understands why this bot got rejected and so that users don't make a bot for the same reason. There's always a reason for writing things the way it's written.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Try it yourself! (button)

My idea is that there will be some visual scratchblocks, and a button next to it. The user can click on the button, and it will bring them to scratch and remix a project with the code in it. They can then mess around with it.

You could probably use this in


12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Can anyone help me understand why the category links aren't showing up?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually, we're also working about the embed projects (we have different opinions for make it, so I cannot say a specific info.). You can see everyone in here whose want to help for the Wiki! :)
For the second question, I've fixed it. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
What? I'm confused. What do you mean by "everyone in here whose are want to help for the Wiki"? There's a lot of English mistakes.... can you please fix it so I can understand? Thanks!
OH YEAH, I forgot about putting those for some links...
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I meant "please check public and private changelogs and also look at RC".
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
For embedding a scratch project? Can you direct me to it?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes Done
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Something's wrong

Yes Done
Something’s up, my signature turns timestamps into code boxes, without the actual code tags appearing. Is this an error with my syntax or is it an actual bug? I’m not sure, so if someone could help me with this, that would be great. I’ve been trying to get it right for weeks. An example of the issue can be found below, or at this page
78ch3ProfilePic.png78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 00:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

It's because User:78ch3/Sig has some new lines it should not. There are two line breaks between </span> and <noinclude>. Those new lines should simply be removed (so that it is </span><noinclude> on one line), and then it should be fixed.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I got up this morning to fix it, but didn’t read this, so when I came here, it turns out I did exactly what you wanted me to do.
78ch3ProfilePic.png78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 21:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes Done
78ch3ProfilePic.png78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 21:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

My Banner

Yes Done

Why did my banner get removed? I needed it for my forum signature and I can't use assets on my computer because it won't load and now my signature won't work.
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom

Is this problem related to the forum? If it is, please bring up the topic there and they'll be able to help you more.
Also, remember for the future to write your texts before your signature. This means that you do REPLY/TEXT ~~~~. The four tildes are your signature. Thank you!
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:21, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
It was not deleted, it was moved to a different title that was less generic.
Also, the Scratch Wiki should not be used as an image host for Scratch or anywhere else outside the wiki. I recommend you use another hosting site such as CubeUpload to upload your banner.
and i was caught in an edit conflict
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
We're not an image host. Use extensions that upload images to Scratch assets, or look to index.php for deleted images, or host in another website that Scratch allows.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I just looked at Recent Changes. Your banner didn't get removed. It just got moved so that it had a more specific name. Banner.png could mean that it's a banner for the Mainspace Scratch wiki pages instead.
Your banner is now located here: File:Banner FollowCherryBlossom.png
I had edit conflict too lol, with both jammum and ahmetlii at the same time AND MYSELF oh gods
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I've editted like three times and the same has happened and okay
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
The reason for doing so is because I don't use cubeupload or photobucket, I thought it had been deleted
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
You should though. This wiki isn't meant to host images, you should use an actual hosting server. Those are some of the best hosting servers.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── "Those are some of the best hosting servers" no, those are just the ones allowed by Scratch.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

out of curiosity...

What's the 3 Revert Rule? I know we use BRD but it's referenced in many places, most notably nutshell. 

also, whatup with my message it's being weird or *looks above* close your tags!!!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The 3 revert rule is when you stop to discuss the revert if it has been reverted three times. At least that's what I remember.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think we have 3RR(Three Revert Rule) here. We instead have BRD - Bold, Revert and Discuss.
Also, indenting your post with a space makes that box thing.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 13:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Another user’s talk page organization

Another user (not mentioning who) on this wiki requires users who post on their talk page that they use level three headings for discussion headings and put their messages in a section (some of which are not at the bottom of the page) on that page, whilst all other talk pages (including user ones) are supposed to use level two headings and require all messages (including bot ones) to go at the bottom of the page. Is the user's way of organising their talk page allowed?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I know this user and I don't believe so.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think it's allowed, but if it is right now then I think it shouldn't be. It's confusing.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
12:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

How to curate a project?

I want to know how to curate a project as I am interested to learn how to. I want to encourage my friend so thats one reason. If you got an idea how, please leave a reply so I can see. Thank you so much for everything and may god bless you abundantly! :)
Ani_coding_PRO (talk | contribs) 11:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Here ya go: Curator (front_page)#Application_and_Selection
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ani_coding_PRO: Please ask in the Questions about Scratch forum (link to the forum is on the page) for Scratch-related questions that do not involve this wiki. The wiki is not a replacement for the Scratch Forums.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Wiki down?

I got an HTTP 500 error for about 30 seconds a minute ago. Other wikis (I checked de, test, and fr) were up. Was this a server problem?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

And again...
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
This was a result of some preparatory work we're doing for the upgrade. Unfortunately there wasn't any way to do it without any disruption. However, it should be done now. You may experience some slowdown for a while, but not any more downtime.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I am experiencing some slowness (a page takes around 1 minute to load) so that explains that.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I think the slowness has finally been resolved, so we should be good to go going forwards. I do not anticipate any remaining disruption to the Wiki until we actually perform the upgrade (we do not have a specific day planned yet, but hopefully soon).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Yay!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  20:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Also running great for me! Did you figure out what was causing it or did it just go away by itself?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
20:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── With some help from apple502j and banana439monkey I was able to fix it. The issue was that 1. apcu (a PHP extension that greatly improves performance) wasn't enabled and 2. there was a setting keeping it from actually running even after I enabled it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Don't understand how, but I'm still receiving a HTTP 500 error whenever I try to go to Recent Changes — It's always slow with loading, but it's never completely been broken. Is it because I have some laggy softwares on on my computer at the moment?
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 07:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Do you use a browser other than Chrome or Safari? I've tested on my Mac on both Safari and Chrome and it works fine. It also may be your internet connection spitting false errors, but I can't confirm that because I have full bars and I'm literally 10 feet away from the router thing.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I use Google Chrome or Safari most of the times, coincidentally. I've tested on Lenovo (Windows 10) and now I'm on my father's Mac, but Recent Changes still gives a 500 error, and I don't have those laggy softwares on here.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 13:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Odd. I've tried on Chrome and Safari on my Mac and my iPad, and i get no error. Try rebooting your WiFi?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  14:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Not at the moment, since my router is in the basement and I don't really wanna go there at the moment. However, quick status update: it's still happening.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 17:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok. I'll try to replicate it and find a fix.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  17:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I am not receiving any HTTP errors but ScratchLogin is broken for me. It keeps telling me I have not commented the code even after commenting.
R4356th (talk | contribs) 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

please outdent correctly!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  22:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
It's been more than a day since this has happened and it's still occurring. Could somebody please help? My dad went down and restarted the router today too.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Try going to Private Browsing and opening it without logging in? Maybe your entries per page is too high. Mine is set to 300 from the last 30 days.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
14:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I'll try that; I think I set my entries per page to the highest possible amount, so that could be the issue. Thanks!
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I didn't do it exactly the way you said, but I tried logging out and now I have the link for 50 entries, so I can use it for going to Recent Changes. This is definitely not a very efficient method, but because I'm an idiot I think this will work find for now. Thanks!
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome, glad I could help you fix it!
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
14:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Even better, I found a way to let it do it automatically! Thank you so much for the help!
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

make templates like trout

(yes, i am aware of S:NOTWP. i am suggesting because it's funny.) Self-explanatory. There would also be self-trout, minnow, and whale.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  14:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Trout notification}} exists, if it is something multiple people want it could be moved out of my userspace. Until then you can use it with that link. I have not heard of whale or minnow but I'm sure those could also be made if everyone wants them.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
14:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
shameless plug but not many people know about it unless you plug it everywhere :/
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  14:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
We do not allow mainspace templates that aren't intended for use in articles or on talk pages. You may make a template like that in your userspace if you want.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

is this normal?

WHAT HAPPENED.png

i think i successfully broke the wiki
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It's because you're on vector skin and zoomed in all the way....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
but i wasn't
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
We do not officially support the Vector skin (or any other non-ScratchWikiSkin skin) and cannot make any guarantees everything will work with it. Also it looks like you are either zoomed in all the way as 12944qwerty said or on a small screen. On my screen, preferences looks fine in vector.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Try disabling Dark Reader (right?) and seeing if it works.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
18:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
ahahaha you got me :P
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposing changes on the roles

Yes Done

Hi everyone. With the update, MediaWiki will give an extra feature for us: Time-limited roles. With it, we can do time-limited bots for testing, give role for a technical stuff and more. However, as the developers and admins, we will not want to enable it before getting a consensus - because it's about moderation also, undesirable actions may make different things.

Discussion

This will gonna be huge.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

To my opinion, it's a good idea - and I believe that the admins will give it only for necessary actions.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
This is not something that needs discussion or enabling -- it is always on by default. Discussion Yes Done
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Downtime coming on Tuesday

Hi everyone,

As detailed in a forum post, the Wiki will be down on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 9pm Scratch Time/1am UTC for about 30 minutes (click the link to see it in your own timezone). We will be upgrading MediaWiki to 1.35 from the current version of 1.28. See the upgrade megathread for details about the upgrade itself and what it will entail.

During the upgrade, the English Wiki will be down entirely (all pages will be replaced with a message explaining the situation) and not just read-only. Other language Wikis will continue operating as normal, though they may be a bit slower. Any discussion necessary during that time can take place on our forum topic. We have done a dry run of this upgrade and have ironed out the issues that came up, so we do not anticipate running into any problems. Still, something unexpected may always come up, so please be patient and don't panic if it takes longer than 30 minutes.

TL;DR: The Wiki will be down Tuesday at 9pm Scratch Time for about 30 minutes so we can perform software updates.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you jvvg and everyone else who has had a part in making this happen! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Great! now i like that i'm in the same time zone as Scratch
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Same here. Looking forward to the updates!
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 19:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Note: You can check update time from here to convert update time to your timezone. However, I may not be able to see it; it will be at 4 am bruh
Anyway, I just wanted to thanks all users in the Wiki who made constructive edits and @Naleksuh, @Mini_Kostik, @apple502j, @Kenny2scratch, @jvvg, and other people who worked on development phase.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
@jvvg said the link before, sorry. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome (woo upgrade!), but also not awesome (boo downtime!)! I hope all goes well. 10milemoji.png
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
20:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I hope the upgrade brings exciting new features! (and the downtime will happen when I will be asleep)
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I really hope everything will go well during the upgrade :)
LankyBox01 (talk | contribs) 18:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
aaa 2 hours left! Hopefully the updates are successful again :D
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 22:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
1 hour!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for VisualEditor!
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 23:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually not 1 hour, because the update will start in a hour.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
00:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
45 minutes left of 1.28.3. Let's all say bye to the glorious... uh... ok I don't know. There's really not too much important to me in the upgrade (visual editor is overrated)
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
00:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 minutes left until the update starts! I'm excited! :D
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 00:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Three more minutes! Thank you to everyone who has worked hard to make this happen! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The final minute for MW 1.28!
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 00:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
...and, we're back! Thank you to everyone who helped make this happen! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome! Being honest though I kinda like the old MW version more. Not sure why. Also visual editor doesn't work on Scratch Wiki: namespaces?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
02:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Also canned edit summaries seem to be broken (clicking on the summary box opens the canned edit menu)
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
02:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Dominic305, I don't think visual editor is available for any talk pages. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Oh, I suppose you are right that it isn't available in project space, either. Huh. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 03:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Huh?

My browser (this page) just went pitch black for a split second. Did anyone else experience this?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

No; but for that situation, also you can hard refresh or clean your cache directly.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
As in a simple black flash, that's normally when your browsers just rendered the page again. I wouldn't worry about it.
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Loss of session data

[2]
Not exactly sure why, but when attempting to save an edit, I got a session error, but doing the edit again was fine. Has anyone else ever experienced this?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
20:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

No. It may be a problem with your iPad or Safari. I haven't used either for editing for at least 4 months, so I cannot confirm.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  20:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
This sometimes happens when your session has conflicting data. Try doing that in an incognito (Chrome) or private (Firefox) window and see what happens, since that guarantees you have a fresh session.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How do I make a fill width CSS for SWS2

As per title.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! September 24th, 2020

Welcome to the 32nd Thankful Thursday! September 24th, 2020.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for everything you've done to help the Wiki ;-;
    Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Without a doubt, you've been an amazing administrator around the wiki. Especially with patrolling these days with a lot of edits in Recent Changes, it takes a lot of work and effort. I don't know what I'd do without your help. Thank you!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for literally spamming activity on the Wiki and also for thanking millions of people, that's some gratitude and effort.
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for being so active! We appreciate editors like you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • A big thanks to you for your activity, keep going! I also really like the blur effect you incorporated in your header. :)
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
ThatOneWeirdDude (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your edits recently! I'm glad you decided to join the wiki! I hope you decide to continue! :D
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
VFDan (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your recent contributions, such as those to discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for making so many constructive edits to the wiki! It is clear that you have a talent for editing, so thank you for using that talent to help the Scratch Wiki. (Thanks also for your help in upgrading MediaWiki!) :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your massive amounts of bold contributions, we really appreciate what you are doing here. You've been a great editor!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for your constructive contributions to discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your work with Wiki Wednesday and other initiatives such as the New User Recommendations program! :D
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for being such an intuitive SW member - always finding new ideas to improve it, introducing new tactics, and being an awesome helper in general!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
4096bits (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for all your edits! Even though you just started this month, you are already proving yourself as a helpful member of our community. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your many contributions lately! Keep it up!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you so much for being consistently active and helpful. You're a wonderful editor and community member! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • All throughout the year, you have been active and cooperative. Thank you for your dedication to the wiki!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
TenType (talk | contribs)
  • I can't thank you enough for your work patrolling and reviewing account requests. You bring a friendly and upbeat attitude to the wiki, and it's been great working with you. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Petition to add an auto-thank feature for absolutely amazing people
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Am395397 (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for the interesting food for thought you posted on my talk page (for those who haven't seen it, it is here and here). :P
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
banana439monkey (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your work as an Experienced Wikian; I and others appreciate you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
  • Welcome back, and thanks for your edits recently! You are greatly appreciated as a Scratch and Scratch Wiki community member. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Ayyy, you're back and already contributing a lot! Thank you for your edits!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Leahcimto (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your edits and activity recently! I hope you are having fun editing the wiki, since your edits are greatly appreciated. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Apple502j (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for being such a large help in finding and fixing vulnerabilities, and for being a great Experienced Wikian! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for helping with those Recent Changes issues people were having, and generally thank you for all of the technical help apart from mere edits too!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
jakel181 (talk | contribs)
  • As always, thanks for running Thankful Thursday and helping the wiki in other ways, such as by reviewing account requests. Everyone here appreciates you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for being my humorous friend who trolled me using German and English! I'll never forgot that!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
ArtsyStrawberry (talk | contribs)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for everything you've done for the wiki, from the day you joined to today. I'm glad that you decided to join the wiki, since you're an integral part of our community. It's great that you've found time to help us out even during your studies, though I know you are aware that at this point in time your studies are much more important than editing the wiki. ;)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • You spend so much effort on taking care of the Wiki, it's honestly mesmerizing. It's hard to keep your focus on thing like that, and you take care of it so much and help sooo many people. You're amazing!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
Dominic305 (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for being so active recently! You are greatly appreciated as an editor and person. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for helping me with that Recent Changes bug!
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Illusion705 (talk | contribs)
jvvg (talk | contribs)
  • I'm not sure what the wiki would do without you. And I'm not just saying that to be nice; I'm really not sure what the wiki would do without you. The fact that you've been contributing impeccable edits, code, and admin work to the wiki since 2012—with little to nothing except the joy of contributing in return—is admirable. This is made even more impressive by the fact that you now have a job and are still active. I think I can speak for all editors when I say thank you. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Whenever I need help or I need some bureaucrat action, you're pretty much always available to respond. You've dedicated so much time to the wiki, I can't thank you enough for it!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for making sure the wikis have a home. Wonderful things happen here, and you make them possible. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)
Jammum (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for being so active, suggesting so many things on the Community Portal, editing many pages, and participating in so many discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for writing this comment. I feel it is very well-written, and has a calm and respectful demeanor. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


The next TT is, October 29th, see you then!

No Not done
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

wow big thanks
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Whoa! Thanks! :)
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 13:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

userpage not showing /error

Yes Done

my user page [[3]] is showed as :::external link pls help me i need it to make my siggy how its done is it an error?

Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 05:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
It is because of how you are trying to link to your userpage. To have an internal link, you only need the page name, not the full URL of the page. So for your userpage this would be: [[User:Arjunking788]]. This will create a link like this: User:Arjunking788. If you want to make the link say something other than the exact page title, like this: Arjunking788 (without the "User:"), then you can do this: [[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]]. The reason it displays a "Bad title" error is because you were mixing the external and internal link formats. An external link with custom text is done like this: [https://example.com Example Link] (notice how it uses a " " (space) instead of a "|"), so you were actually linking to a page called User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788, which isn't a valid page name, instead of User:Arjunking788, which is a valid page name.
Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs) 06:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
thank you now i could work on my siggy and i learnt to format css and html to make borders and
rounded ones


Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 11:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Good news, possibly

Sorry if this is kind of irrelevant on the CP, but I thought putting it here would be a good idea to stop my excitement-- I have a new computer now for my birthday, which probably means more quality edits around here! You can expect to see me around a lot more often than before, at least for a few days.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 17:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Awesome! Can you tell me what hardware it has?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
18:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
It's a HP Pavilion gaming computer :D I'm mainly targetting to start working on a gaming channel, and this computer also has good visual effects which I need since I use programs like Scratch or the wiki a lot.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 18:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Ooh, how many cores does it have? Mine has 6 abs cores.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  22:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
yeah that's really relevant on the cp anyway, congratulations then.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
22:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Epic, personally I'm going to build my own in a few months for $600.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
00:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

2 problems

Number two also happens for me when I try to edit User:Bigpuppy/Status or User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox using the visual editor. Editing my userpage using the visual editor does not display the error. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I also get it on those pages, so the problem is by page. However, it also has worked for me on a number of pages without issue. I will look into this.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I was editing the Featured Studios with Visual Editor to test and got the error too...
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The problem is that VisualEditor does not work on subpages. Unfortunately this is a limitation with Apache and the design of the extension. Unfortunately there isn't really much we can do about this for now other than wait for the developers of the extension to release a patch. As for Ken's canned edit script, please contact Ken directly about that, as that is supported by him and not the Wiki as a whole.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Upgrade complete!

Hi everybody,

I am proud to report that the Wiki upgrade is complete! We are now running MediaWiki 1.35, which should help resolve a lot of the technical issues we've had in the past. My apologies that the upgrade took somewhat longer than planned (a little over an hour instead of the 30 minutes anticipated). The only remaining major issue is that currently foreign file repositories are broken. The reason for this is that the other Wikis are still running MediaWiki 1.28 whose database structure (at least when it comes to files) is incompatible with that of MediaWiki 1.35. The other Wikis will be upgraded at some point in the future, and as each Wiki is upgraded, the file repository will also be linked.

Also, we now have two big new features:

  • Our new in-house account request system, which replaces the existing system that was only a modification of an existing system. The new system allows for discussion about requests to take place on the Wiki itself rather than in comments, and also generally is more tailored towards being integrated with Scratch. This system was developed by me, apple502j, Naleksuh and kenny2scratch with translations provided by apple502j (Japanese), ahmetlii (Turkish), smrman (French), and Mini_Kostik (Russian)
  • The VisualEditor extension, a visual editor. This is still in beta and is currently opt-in (preferences -> editing -> "Enable the visual editor"). We have made preliminary efforts to integrate it with ScratchWikiSkin, but this is still a work-in-progress. Please let us know of any specific issues you encounter.

Thank you everybody for your patience, and please let us know of any issues you may encounter!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Great! Thank you to jvvg and everyone else who made this happen! The visual editor was enabled for me by default; was that supposed to happen? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
the wiki is now more clean and more better now. I love the new design when editing

Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
For some reason, all links are now underlined. This is really annoying, and only came after the update. Could this be fixed?
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 12:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Yep, that happened to me too. Go to preferences, then appearance, then change the link underlining option.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  13:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Well, the default should be "skin or browser default".
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
It was for me? I didn't have to change my preferences....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Same here; "Skin or browser default" was enabled by default for me. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Well that's weird. Maybe you had already changed your settings in the past?
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 13:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

RfC for Interface admins group

With the recent update to MediaWiki 1.35, a new group has been created: Special:ListGroupRights#interface-admin. Currently, nobody has this group-- however this is the only group that is able to edit pages like MediaWiki:Common.js. While we have policies for how to request Experienced Wikian (through annual elections) and sysop (through requests on Community portal); there is no policy as to how to request Interface admin as it is a new group to Scratch Wiki. There are several possible ideas for how users might request this group.

Below there are three proposals. Keep in mind that these are not necessarily contradictory, multiple or all of them could coexist.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposal 1: Allow interface admin to be requested permanently through the community portal

Support

Oppose

I think the group is too specific for this to be useful-- I also think granting permanent access puts importance and does not allow specific tasks to be vetted as they should be.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Proposal 2: Allow interface admin to be requested temporarily (for a specific purpose) through /Admin Requests

Support

Allows users to edit the interface as needed. Seems like the best path for requesting and allows specific tasks as well as not granting permanent access as needed.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

"Hey can I have permissions to edit common.js? I want to [do something innocent]. - User1" "Sure, I'll grant you perms. - Admin1" "Thanks! - User1" User1 then proceeds to add a script that steals passwords. Admin1 quickly undos and bans User1, but the damage has been done. User1 can now login as User2 and User3. The exploitation possibility is too large here.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
True, but this could also easily happen through permanent requests on the community portal. I see you chose not to vote on proposal 1 at all, neither support nor oppose. Is that mistake or intentional?
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 21:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Intentional, I would've just been repeating your message.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  02:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Proposal 3: Allow interface admin to be non-controversially granted to any user with server access

Support

This is exactly how it used to be, and anybody with server access is trusted, and they usually won't make changes without the community's approval; they should still ask for feedback, but they should have the right.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

This was initially proposed because users with server access have the ability to escalate their own permissions to begin with-- but I would still prefer they request it through the traditional method as the community should still at least be given a chance to weigh in on the attempted edits.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments

link colors

how do i change link colors in html like in siggy

Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 04:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi there! You can use this:
<span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span>
to make this:
Hello, world!
You can also use hex codes, for example:
<span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span>
makes:
Hello, world!
Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. Also, just so you know (for the future), generally there is no need to indent the first post of a topic. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
You could also use {{Link attributes}}
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Merge Check users and Supressors user groups with bureaucrats or administrators

Except for the Interface Admin user group, two other user groups were added in the new MediaWiki upgrade. They are mentioned in the title of this topic. I think those groups are unnecessary and could be merged and have their rights moved to other usergroups.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 05:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

These were actually removed already removed in 28, but were inadvertently restored by the upgrade. However, I personally feel like they should not be removed for a number of reasons:
1) CheckUser and Suppressor inherently mean access to confidential information, which is usually specifically mentioned in the privacy policy. Voting in users for bureaucrat should not typically result in access to private information.
2) Users who have access to such information generally are scrutinized much more than users who do not. Suppressors need to deal with PII like real names, home addresses, and anything else like that. It is not the role of a bureaucrat to handle stuff like that.
3) Scratch Wiki has a tendency to treat user groups like a hierarchy (i.e. Bureaucrat is better than sysop, which is better than Experienced Wikian). I think that these three new user groups help remove this bad aura.
4) Bureaucrat does not have an age requirement, but I do not want minors to have access to the information that CheckUsers and Suppressors do.
There are a number of other reasons as well that they should not be merged, but this is just off the top of my head. Comments about Interface admin can be directed to a couple threads above this, which I assume Jammum has seen.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 05:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
For your last statement, literally 99% of users are under the age of 18. I'm a minor, and I feel extremely offended by this comment. It just enforces a stereotype that everyone under the age of 13 is dumb. Also, it wouldn't be a fair opportunity for everyone. I know that admins are encouraged to have access to the discord server, but it is not mandatory.
For your 2nd statement, there isn't much personal info on my (and everyone else's) account. As long as you trust (or the majority trusts) the user, you'll be fine.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't see anything about 'all people under 13 are dumb' in the post above yours. Also there is definently personal info in our accounts - I wouldn't really want people to be able to see my email address.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Support to @Dominic305. There's also a legal side; we must ensure that someone is not using emails for email hacking or phishing - that's why we must give these roles to people that older 13 (for juridical capacity) and trusted users by the community. This doesn't mean that people under 13 is dumb, but that's risky - give a user that does not have juridical capacity may make unwanted legal consequences.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
After reading these, I have a proposal. There should be 2 bureaucrat ranks. One for users under the age of 13, and one for users over the age of 13. If a user is elected or appointed bureaucrat, and they happen to be underage, they would get a similar rank to normal bureaucrat but the permissions regarding the viewing and changing of personal information would be removed. This wouldn't be publicised unless the user does it themselves.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Imho nobody needs to have those perms. And just because somebody is over 13, they're automatically not going to do anything malicious with the emails? I signed up with my personal email, and I don't want anybody to know my name (I prefer anonymity). Besides, how would you know they are 13? I can easily say I'm 22, although that's a blatant lie. How would allowing any user group to view emails benefit the wiki?
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  20:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

First of all, the age in question would be 18 and not 13 as 13-year-olds are still minors and are not legally able to sign non-disclosure agreements (although they are able to be bound by privacy policies). Also, I think that simply having two groups based on age only (halfway) solves one of the issues at hand and does not solve any of the others. For example, one could be granted CheckUser/Supressor and not bureaucrat; or bureaucrat and not CheckUser/Suppressor. The two groups should not be merged into bureaucrat, and I think that having seperate groups for users who are over or under 13 is simply problematic, discriminatory, and does not solve the issues at all.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
To VFDan, while asking for a users' birthday is sufficient for COPPA compliance, for access to confidential information, proof of legal identification is usually required, and lying about the age would immediately be found out.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
If the age would be 18, then let's just get rid of literally every single admin or EW! I have a hunch that almost every EW/Admin is under 18, leaving the very few 18+ admins to do all the work. Many adults have jobs to do, and that explains their activity.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Skin problems

It seems that the Cologne Blue and Modern skins do not work at all. Once you switch to one of them, every page will look like this (Modern) or this (Cologne Blue). If the skin is accidently set you can append ?useskin=vector so you can revert your settings, but this should still probably be fixed ASAP so new editors don't have this problem and not know how to fix it. It may also be my iPad acting weird so if anyone wants to test it use the Preview function.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
15:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Let me test on macOS with Chrome...
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Can reproduce on Chromium Microsoft Edge v85.0.564.63 on Windows 10 v1909. Must be something that was broken during the update.
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 147 Contribs | Scratch Profile 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Probably needs to be updated itself for compatibility. Looks like whatever function it did no longer exists.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,626)  Scratch  Directory 
16:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
These were removed from core MW somewhere between 1.28 and 1.35. They have to be manually added or removed.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  17:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I have updated all skins, so you should be good now. Do be aware that we only provide official support for ScratchWikiSkin.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Minor Grammatical Issue in Footer

It says "Privacy policy" instead of Privacy Policy. Should not this be fixed?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 17:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

It's same though and I think that it should not be capitalized because of it's a general title (bundled with MediaWiki).
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
It's capitalized on Scratch though
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Should we copy everything on Scratch's footer to here? There are a lot of links there that aren't here....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
This is not a "grammatical issue" or something that must be "fixed"-- capitalization like that is common, but Scratch Wiki has the idea of Capitalizing Everything Ever. For example, the default capitalization for Special:RecentChanges is Recent chamges, but was changed on Scratch Wiki to Recent changes. As for copying over the Scratch footer, a rewrite of ScratchWikiSkin into ScratchWikiSkin3 was proposed on Discord, but I do not know if that is happening. Currently, the skin uses various MediaWiki messages, usually introducing new ones, but sometimes using existing ones, which I would guess Privacy policy is one of those cases.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)