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Here's some things that we need your help for.
 
Here's some things that we need your help for.
 
=== Archive This!!!! ===
 
* [[S:CPND#Profile Safety]] - off-topic
 
  
 
=== <span id="Not done">Other Topics</span> ===
 
=== <span id="Not done">Other Topics</span> ===
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== Logging server faults ==
 
== Logging server faults ==
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{{not done|Never Done}}
 
 
Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 
{| class="wikitable" width="100%"
 
! Time
 
! Errors
 
! Details/Comments
 
<!-- Add new items below this comment, following this format:
 
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| time of incident (make it as accurate as you can)
 
| HTTP error code if it connected, browser error code if it failed. For example, "503 Service Unavailable" or "ERR_TIMED_OUT"
 
| Details of incident, like what page you were on, what you were trying to do, etc~~~~
 
(the ~~~~ is necessary, that's your signature lol)
 
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| 8 August 2018
 
| 400 Bad Request<br/>503 Service Unavailable
 
| I was editing [[User:Kenny2scratch/common.js]], and when I clicked "save page" I hit a "400 Bad Request" error. I pressed the browser "back" button (thanks Chrome for caching form data), and clicked "save page" again, and I encountered "503 Service Unavailable". I went back again, resubmitted, and the edit went through.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 10:26 AM, 3 September 2018 (GMT)
 
| Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties
 
| I clicked on random page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 5:27 PM, 3 September 2018 (HKT)
 
| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties"
 
| I was literally attempting to edit this section. When I clicked the "edit" link, it brought me to a page that said:
 
<big>'''Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.'''</big><br/>
 
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.<br/>
 
<small>(Cannot access the database)</small>
 
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:You can try searching Google in the meantime.<br/><small>Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.</small>
 
{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 10:07-11:20 PM, 8 September 2018 (HKT)
 
| Major outage across all wikis
 
| Multiple screenshots: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987719411204102/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.08.33_AM.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487988142184595478/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.10.22_AM.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987682132230148/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987425193492492/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.07.28_AM.png][https://pastebin.com/jkxGm6P4 this is the most useful error][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487988331226071060/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487989244506144775/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487990014861377536/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487990367946407958/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/488005118428577792/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/488005028028874754/unknown.png]
 
  
Basically the database failed to connect for a while, causing all sorts of obscure errors. Specifically, at times the required "mysql.sock" file was missing. Looking at server configuration, the MySQL server had to restart itself 11 times during this time period.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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[[/Logging server faults|See dedicated subpage]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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| 10:44 AM, 2 October 2018 (GMT)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
| Edit a user's talk page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:46, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 4:40 AM, 2 January 2019 (CST)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
| Trying to create a redirect page. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 4:58 PM, 8:02 PM, 10:22 PM, 10:25 PM @ 3 January 2019 (HKT); 12:46 AM @ 4 January 2019 (HKT)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
<br/>503 Service Unavailable
 
<br/>File upload fail
 
| Frequent outages across all wikis. Most likely caused by traffic spike from 3.0.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
<!-- add new items above here -->
 
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| 9:12 AM, 4 January 2019 (CST) <br/> 9:17 AM, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 
| "Service Unavailable Error [...]<br/>503 Service Unavailable Error"<br/>"508 Resource Limit Reached"
 
| Trying to enter my talk, kept refreshing until worked, came to CP to log fault. Errors repeated until worked. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 15:02:46, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
| Fatal exception of type DBQueryError
 
| I was tring to go to the Community Portal and the website was taking a while to load and then I got the error. It went away after I refreshed the page. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 15:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 9:02 AM, 7 February 2019 (CST)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
| Trying to go to [[How to Make a Typewriter Effect]]. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 4:50 AM, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
| HTTP error: error
 
| Clicked the ''Show preview'' button while editing [[User:TenType/Header]], when it did not preview and received the error. Clicking the button again resolved the issue. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 11:00 PM, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 
| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
 
| Literally attempted to access en.scratch-wiki.info and a few other pages, when I received this:
 
<big>'''Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.'''</big><br/>Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.<br/><small>(Cannot access the database)</small>
 
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:You can try searching via Google in the meantime.
 
:<small>Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.</small><br/>
 
Waited for like 10 minutes while reloading and the error finally cleared.
 
<scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 07:17, 25 June 2019 (HKT)
 
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:Could we have a dedicated page to that?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 
::Nah, just here is fine.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:::{{not done}} <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 20:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 
::::If it comes to the point of like many bugs, maybe we can make a page so that it is easier to navigate with. <small>(archives)</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Not too many right now.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::{{not done|Never done!}} Server faults will always come. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Can we just keep things to UTC for the sake of simplicity?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}
 
It's hard to convert times off the top of one's head - if you really want to know the time in your own timezone, convert it yourself, don't ask the logger to do extra work.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 
:Do we not have [[Scratch_Wiki:Known_Bugs|this?]]{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)20:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::Known bugs is for the php bugs (mw bugs). This is for the server fault (connection problems).
 
::Did you not get notified by ken's siggy warner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Known Bugs is for bugs that are consistently reproducible (actual bugs); this is for faults that occur, sometimes randomly, that are not reproducible or only happen once (glitches).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Articles to update for 3.0 ==
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== Misdirected Request error ==
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{{not done|Moved to [[Scratch Wiki:Bugs]]}}<br/>
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Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.  {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::I have this problem too, also on an iPad. I might have gotten it on my computer before, but I don't remember.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 11:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::It happened on my Windows desktop just today. I think the Wifi disconnected when the screen turned off, maybe something similar happened to the iPads? <scratchsig>Jettypumpkin07</scratchsig> 11:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
  
{{not done|Won't be done for a long time}}
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== Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically ==
  
Hello everyone, it's already January 2nd for me, so I figure I might as well get the preparations started.
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{{not done}}<br/>It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:TemplatesFTW [[Special:Diff/254239|already does that]]; or do you mean a different way of automating it? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::@ContourLines  {{-}} you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, [[S:STYLE]] says not to use the external link markup (see [[Scratch Wiki:Style Guide#internal-scratch-links|#internal-scratch-links]]). You can use <code><nowiki>[[users:USERNAME]]</nowiki></code> for users, <code><nowiki>[[studios:ID]]</nowiki></code> for studios, and <code><nowiki>[[projects:ID]]</nowiki></code> for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to [[S:STYLE]] (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
  
=== Observations/Edit Guidance ===
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== [[How to Connect to the Physical World]] Is really outdated ==
Pages outdated upon 3.0 release are incredibly numerous. In most cases, one or more of the following edits can or should happen:
 
* Parts that talk about ''3.0 features'' in ''future tense'' (e.g. "there will be a new paint editor") should be changed to use ''present tense'' (e.g. "there is a new paint editor") or ''past tense'' (e.g. "a new paint editor was introduced")
 
* Parts that talk about ''3.0 changes'' in ''future tense'' (e.g. "the editor will be moved to the right side") should be changed to use ''past tense'' (e.g. "the editor was moved to the right side")
 
* Parts that mention ''dates'' in ''any tense'' should have their tense ''updated'' (e.g. "the official release will be January 2019" -> "the official release was January 2019")
 
* Parts that talk about ''2.0 features'' in ''any tense'' (e.g. "the paint editor has these features") should be changed to use ''past tense'' (e.g. "the paint editor had these features")
 
* Parts that talk about ''2.0 changes'' in ''any tense'' (e.g. "the editor was moved to the left") should all be changed to ''past tense'' if they haven't already.
 
* Take this opportunity to update things that weren't changed from 1.4 days as well.
 
  
=== Progress ===
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[[How to Connect to the Physical World]] is really outdated. <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
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:Please use internal links for links to other Scratch Wiki pages. As for this, maybe you could try to update part of it yourself? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
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::@Jammum Thank you for pointing out the usage of an external link. I've corrected the formatting so that @GrahamSH can see how it is done correctly (@Jammum please wait for an EW/administrator to correct if you see this elseware). @GrahamSH I would ask that you be more specific in the types of changes that we should collaborate in order to accomplish. Thanks <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 17:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
  
Here is a list of articles that need to be updated (on their real versions in mainspace) upon the release of 3.0. You can probably already start updating them now. Articles marked with an asterisk (*) have updates available at [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles]]/the article title, but:
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== Would it possible to prevent users from using external links to wiki pages in the AbuseFilter? ==
{{warning|do not copy articles directly from their 3.0 versions!}}
 
Though in most cases the information will be correctly updated, make sure to use your own judgement as to its accuracy.
 
  
{{note|Some of the articles listed below need to be created.}}
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Question is in title. If this were to be implemented (if it even is possible), would it apply to all non-userspace or just mainspace? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 10:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
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:It's possible but I would never do this because sometimes there's a legitimate use for external links. Possibly an AbuseFilter warning, rather than disallow?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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::I am asking about disallowing external links to other Scratch Wiki pages, not all external links.  {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 09:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::There is sometimes a legitimate use for external links to the Scratch Wiki, e.g.: [{{fullurl:Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal|action=purge}}]
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:::Unless you're just talking about content pages. Still, though, there are probably some special cases where disallowing it would be inconvenient. A warning might be good, though. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::: The fullurl template can be used for some of those links that cannot be linked normally, so does that solve the problem? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::: (Reviving this) I think if a user uses an external link to Scratch Wiki pages, the proper way to do a link to another Wiki page could be shown. The edit could either be warned or prevented. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Feel free to update this list yourself. Add any articles that you discover that need updates; remove articles that have been updated.
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== Allowing borders in custom sigs ==
  
* Blocks
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I think we should allow borders in custom signatures. [[S:CSIG]] states that there shouldn't be borders in custom sigs, but so many people already have it in their signatures (kenny2scratch, 12944qwerty, EIephant_Lover, Dominic305, ahmetlii, ContourLines, ajsya, etc.) As long as the border isn't needlessly large or flashy, I believe it's fine. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 03:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
* Change () Effect by () (sound block)
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:I don't recall whether the rule disallows all borders. In either case, though, this is a conflict of interest because I see you have borders in your signature too...
* Development of Scratch 3.0
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:I agree, but then again I have borders already as well. I'd prefer if some people without borders contributed an opinion.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
* Project
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::I think it's fine as long as it's not too large or draws any extra attention to the signature. I'm not sure how large "too large" would be though. {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 15:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
* File:Name bar.png
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:::I agree too; I think also as long as it doesn't break lines (like text shadows) it should be allowed. But I'm biased too because I use them :P{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 16:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
* File:Offline Editor Share Icon.png
 
  
=== Remember to take this opportunity to ''clean up'' articles as well as update them! ===
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== Thankful Thursday! August 27{{th}}, 2020 ==
==== Fix typography or other writing issues as you come across them ====
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 031}}
We don't want to have to make a second sweep to clean up all the weird grammar from tense changes. Remember to fix the grammar and spelling of the articles ''as a whole'' while you update them.
 
  
==== Ask for help when you need it ====
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
If a page or redirect needs to be deleted or you need some other admin action, leave a message at [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Admin Requests]]. If you don't specifically need admin actions, you can ask anyone you think would know the answer to your question.
 
  
=== Here's to a good 3.0 release! ===
 
[[File:Hooray.png]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 05:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
  
:Oh I thought a bot would do it :P also are we saving old articles, for example Block Plugin(2.0)?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 12:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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The next TT is, September 25{{th}}, see you then!<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
::I thought we were moving 2.0 to a different place and 3.0 to where 2.0 used to be. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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:{{done}}<scratchsig><scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig>
:::Removed some articles from the list :)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Should [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Front Page (2.0)]] be updated? It's so similar to [[Front Page]], that it seems redundant to create a new page.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I noticed that many of the things needed to be changed were the same in 2.0 and 3.0. What should we do? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::[[S:STYLE#no-ext-wikilinks|Please don't externally link to Wiki pages!]] And [[S:STYLE#no-link-underscores|please don't use underscores in links]].
 
:::::I'm pretty sure it's the pictures that need updating. Would you mind adding all the files on that page that need updating to the [[#Progress]] list?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Nothing has changed between 2.0 to 3.0 in Front Page, Messages, Discuss, Profiles. (Maybe more but these are all I've been to). The Project page and project editor are the only ones that have. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::The front page has changed, they've just been using the 3.0 skin for a while. Notice how the top bar is bright blue there and on project pages but a darker blue in discuss and the profiles as well as studios. Messages have also been at the 3.0 skin for a while. My stuff (and everything in it, like trash) has not been updated either. <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig> 02:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::::Also I think "Images of stuff in 2.0 should be updated to 3.0." should be included.  {{#ifeq:|nobr|<br/>|}}[[File:VFDan.png|20px|link=User:VFDan]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=VFDan}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border: 2px solid cyan; border-radius:1px 0 0 10px">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;border-radius:0px 10px 1px 0px">{{nbsp}}<span class="plainlinks">{{User:12944qwerty/CPL|link=https://scratch.mit.edu/users/VFDan|text=On Scratch&nbsp;|color:orange;font-weight:bold}}</span></span>  22:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== List of deleted pages ==
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== Time for some more...images that will be featured! ==
 
{{not done}}
 
{{not done}}
  
(Brought up here after discussion [[User talk:Jammum#About your Deleted Pages page|here]].)
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I don't know, I had to think of another title idea. {{e|:P}}
  
So, there are currently four lists of deleted pages on this wiki:
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If you have any ideas for [[Scratch Wiki Home/Featured Images|featured images]], feel free to post them below! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
* [[User:Mathfreak231/Deleted pages recovery|Mathfreak231's]], which is the most comprehensive but is no longer updated in his absence
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:<s>I think we should feature an image of the [[S:CPND]] discussion that suggests adding a designated page for featured image suggestions.</s> {{e|:P}}
* [[User:kenny2scratch/Deleted pages recovery|Mine]], which is a duplicate of Mathfreak's but hopefully more organized
 
* [[User:Jammum/Deleted Pages|Jammum's Deleted Pages]], which are more recent than either of the above
 
* [[User:Jammum/All Pages That Have Been Deleted|Jammum's All Deleted Pages]], which seems to be more recent and extensive but has the least information (it's only a list of titles)
 
  
I suggest (from jakel181's idea) that these become a single page in projectspace, something like "Scratch Wiki:Deleted Pages". This could be a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]].
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:I think that [[:File:Comment Activity.PNG|this image]] is nice, but perhaps we should update it (and the other images on [[Scratch Statistics]]). {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 03:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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::I'm thinking [[:File:P2S_is_a_bunch_of_fluffy_kittens.PNG|this image]] is good enough to be featured.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 07:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::<s>@Groko13 {{-}} yes. {{e|:P}}</s>
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:::How about [[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]]? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::+1, but first change the file's name with a consensus.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::(Update: [[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]] is now [[:File:Report Project.png]].) {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::::[[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]] also needs to be updated, the report button was moved.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 01:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}'''+1''' for the report project image!
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<br/>@Dominic305 Added the template to [[:File:Report Project.png]]. Someone can update it if they wish. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Updated}} {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 18:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
  
;Advantages
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== RfC about the usage of fixed with in ScratchWikiSkin2 ==
* More organized
 
* One place for all
 
* Can be updated by anyone
 
  
;Disadvantages
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Hello all. As you may have noticed, ScratchWikiSkin2 seems to used a fixed width (similar to Fandom's Oasis skin), as a holdover from previous skins designed to look similar to scratch.mit.edu -- however, I and several other users have noticed an increasing number of problems using fixed width. Fixed widths generally leave a large amount of the screen entirely unused, and show a small amount of the page content. It also introduces design problems that rely on fixed width and break for some users. The current, fixed width style, looks a bit like [https://i.imgur.com/xavOxGN.png this]. I am proposing to use free-styled width based on the screen resolution (a mockup something like [ https://i.imgur.com/UEd14yX.png this], ignore the blue line, that is accidental and will not be shown in the final version). This allows for a larger content space, as well as making the view more consistent across skins. Please let me know if you support or oppose this proposal. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 00:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
:''None I can think of off the top of my head''
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: Addendum: I would also appreciate if all could specify what skin they use when commenting? (The information is helpful, most are likely either using ScratchWikiSkin2 or Vector, but others like me primarily use Monobook). <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 01:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I support. Fixed width looks <i>terrible</i>. (Reply to the addendum: I use SWS2) {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 01:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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:(SWS2 user) Consistency across skins is completely irrelevant - consistency with the Scratch website is more important. We use fixed width to emulate the mainsite, which does the same. If you want free width, you can make a user CSS file for it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: I personally am of the belief that consistency with the Scratch website is "completely irrelevant" -- this is a third party site with different needs and goals. This is where a lot of the design has been poured into as well, such as by changing the header to a different color. There does indeed appear to be support for increasing the width apart from Kenny2scratch's comment. However, custom CSS files are not relevant here as what is being discussed is not personal views (I use Monobook) but what would actually improve the skin, primarily to those logged out and browsing the wiki. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 17:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: I agree with the above statement. I have an <s>ebic gamer</s> HD monitor, and SWS2 is tiny on my monitor. There are at least 500 pixels of free space. It almost looks like it was designed for a tablet (it fits perfectly on iPadOS). This is the reason why I use Vector because it takes up almost all of my monitor space. You technically ''could'' make a CSS script for it, but the majority of users here (not everyone) don't know any other programming languages and/or markup languages than Scratch. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::If you like Vector, use Vector. If you like SWS2 enough to keep using it but also want non-fixed width, then use user CSS. For those not logged in, fixed width is what they get, because that's what they'll be used to from the Scratch website. I don't consider fill width an improvement, only a matter of preference. Find me examples of people (who have no relation to you) actually asking for fill width SWS on, say, the forums, and then it'll be more worth considering.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 15:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I support. While garnetluvcookie said it looks like it's designed for a tablet, personally I prefer setting zoom to 75% or 85% on most pages. However setting the zoom on the Wiki causes content to get squished and lots of tables (including on File: pages) to overflow into the empty space. And on my 1080p display, it looks like a site designed for computers from 2009.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Thoughts? Shall we do it?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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== Centralized Cross-Wiki Discussion ==
:I think we should! I like the style yours is in, snice it is more oragized, and a bit easier to find pages, so we should base the page off that.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::+1 :) {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 13:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::: Just to remind everyone, I have not finished my "All Deleted Pages" page at the time of posting this message. It will be contributed to frequently. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 14:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::::To Kenny2Scratch: This will be a great idea, as it will make it more accessible to people. If this get made, maybe put it could be put in the "Navigation" box on the side?  <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 
::::: I think the page will not be notable enough to go there. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 07:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::I don't think it goes in the sidebar, it's not that important; however, come to think of it, this is a nice candidate for a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]]. Thinkest you that this is a suitable mission to embark upon?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}I say aye.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 01:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:@Kenny2scratch, let's do that!{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:: Are we going to do this? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Okay, I just created a page called [[User:TenType/Deleted Files]], was scrolling through the Community Portal, and found this discussion. {{e|:/}} <br/> Maybe this page could contain pages only and not files? (I really spent a lot of time and effort onto my deleted files page) Anyways, still waiting for a response on whether or not this project will be started. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Why not? It sounds like a great idea; let's get started. How do you guys find deleted pages anyway (just wondering)? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 15:00, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== “Secret” Compliments  ==
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Hi everyone,
  
We all know Compliment Tuesday. To suggest compliments we have the [[S:CT]] page. It’s a great way to compliment people, but could be even better.  
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Since all of the various Scratch Wikis are hosted on the same server and part of a common community, they have a number of things in common, including outreach efforts (such as Wiki Wednesday) and technical aspects. This means that some changes (especially technical ones) will affect ''all'' wikis, not just the Wiki for one language. We usually like to seek community feedback before implementing major changes, but currently there is no centralized place to do that between all languages. As a result, changes either do not get community input at all or just get input from the community for one language (usually English, i.e. this one). We do have the [[:tw:Test Scratch Wiki Home|Test Wiki]] for both new language-specific Wikis off the ground and coordinating cross-wiki stuff.
  
Right now you suggest a compliment, everyone who wants to including the person who was complimented can see it and get posted on CP.  
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Therefore, I propose making it so anyone who has an account on ''any'' language-specific Wiki may have an account on the Test Wiki (you would still need to request it, but you can just say "I have an account on [language] Wiki") and that we host all cross-Wiki discussions there. Announcements for any major discussions would still be posted on the English Community Portal so everybody remains aware of any active discussions without having to check the Test Wiki Recent Changes.
  
So I thought that’s good but you do let look forward to the CP post because you know if you have been complimented.  
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Thoughts, everyone?<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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: I think this is a great idea. Probably because I helped with writing the proposal, but good! <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 01:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I also think this is a great idea! It's important that we have a place for conveniently discussing matters that involve all the wikis, and this would provide that place. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I agree with this as well! {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 01:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Handy links to the discussions on the other wikis about this:
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:* German: [[de:Scratch-Wiki Diskussion:Gemeinschafts-Portal#Zentralisierte Cross-Wiki-Diskussion]]
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:* Indonesian: [[id:Pembicaraan Scratch-Indo-Wiki:Portal Komunitas#Diskusi Lintas-Wiki Terpusat]]
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:* Russian: [[ru:Обсуждение Скретч Вики:Портал сообщества#Централизованное кросс-вики-обсуждение]]
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:* Japanese: [[ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場#一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション]]
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:* Dutch: [[nl:Dutch Scratch-Wiki:Gebruikersportaal#Gecentraliseerde cross-wiki-discussie]]
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:* French: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
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:* Hungarian: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
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:* Test: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
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:The discussions on the other wikis link back here (since jvvg used Google Translate to translate this version into each language). I wanted to post these here so that the users reading this topic can see what the users on other wikis think about this idea. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: This idea would benefit a lot. Also, I have a question about this: would the cross-wiki discussion be separate from the Test Wiki community portal, or would they be on the same page.
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:: I also wrote earlier in a probably now archived topic that I was not planning to join the test wiki, but if this gets implemented, I might join to take part in those discussions. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::The French Scratch Wiki now has a discussion about this here: [[fr:Discussion Scratch Wiki en Français:Accueil de la Communauté#Centralized Scratch Wiki Discussions]] {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Also, the discussion on the Japanese Scratch Wiki was moved to this page: [[ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場/一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション]] {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: I have another question about this idea: if this were to happen, would any language be used (I myself do not speak any language other than English fluently) or will only English be used in cross-wiki discussions? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::I support, even though I already have a test wiki account {{e|:P}}. Also, we should consider modifying common.js so it shows "Test" rather than "Twi" in the left sidebar, but I'll add that as a proposal to the new Test Wiki CP when it's set up. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 19:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}} (Level of indentation is to reply to OP) Question about the Request on Test Wiki thing; I have moved since I requested, do I have to request an account for this account, or can I use my new account? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I support, maybe we should make a single sign on so when you have a wiki account you automatically get a test wiki account.<scratchsig>Acebsa</scratchsig> 20:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
  
I propose proposing compliments on a way no-one else can see apart from the organizer(s). This can be achieved by a Google Form.
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== An idea ==
  
Proposed new method:
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Hi everyone,
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I had an idea recently to make a way for non-wiki editors to suggest changes if they don't want to go through the hassle of making a wiki account. Maybe a google form or something that editors can look at and, if needed, make the change.
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<scratchsig>Acebsa</scratchsig> 04:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Scratchers are allowed to suggest changes through the Scratch Wiki's forum topic. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 04:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: For reference, the Scratch Wiki forum topic is located [[topic:294197|here]]. It is also used to ask questions about the wiki as well. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::The issue with that, I found, is that few actually know about it and the non-wikian posts are just random questions about scratch in general.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 16:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
  
* Users suggest compliments on Google Form entering all details as they would before
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== [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 107#Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies]] continuation ==
  
* End of the month (organizer)s have admin access to the form and gather responses
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I am just reviving the discussion  mentioned in the title above because it was archived and it did not seem to be completed. Also, on the latest Wiki Wednesday topic, no notice in the first post telling Scratchers not to spam in the topic was put in.
  
* Posted in CP
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In the discussion linked above, I mentioned some examples of what the notice would mention as being spam. I also think posts only saying 'Hi', 'Hello' or something similar could also be mentioned as being spam. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 15:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
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: Isn't it just common sense ''not'' to spam?  It's already against the CGs, so I don't see a use for it or it's because I stalk the Announcements forum, get a first-page post, and move on. It could be useful to the 5 year-olds here that need a notice saying "Don't spam, it's sUpEr AnNoYiNg!11!!1" <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
  
This way:
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== RfC about User:Gdpr000001, User talk:Gdpr000001 and <s>S:B</s> redirects ==
  
* Users will look forward to see compliments received and not seeing anytime of the month
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As explained in the title, these are discussed on their related talk pages and [[User talk:Ahmetlii]], but I'd like to an RfC for solving the question.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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: The first two have already been discussed at [[Talk:Gdpr0000001#Removing_several_redirects_to_this_page]] to delete, neutral on where S:B is targetted. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 06:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::But also, the discussion about gdpr has a few users and only 2 active users(me and Naleksuh), this doesn't mean a consensus because it goes to a discussion between two users.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
  
* People will be more encouraged by the compliments
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== Suggestion: Resolved and Unresolved Templates ==
  
Ideas?{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 07:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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{{not done}}
:There are pros and cons to this... on one hand, people will be less self-conscious about complimenting if nobody knows it's them, but on the other hand some compliments either don't make sense if you don't know who it is or imply on their own who the person complimenting is. I do like the idea of looking forward to compliments rather than seeing them immediately, but the con to that is people might be disappointed if CT doesn't come out at the end of the month due to not enough people complimenting...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::I'm on board with this. I still would like to keep the non-secret compliments as a second option if we go about this. The main problem would be moderation. With anonymity, there is more of a chance that something mean would come out of it. An unwritten policy of CT is, if I see a disrespectful "compliment" it won't be included. If we were to use a google forum, we would have to have some way of knowing who compliment who, we can't just ask for a username since we can't verify it wasn't an impostor. Any ideas how to go about this?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Perhaps (again) an extension? Special:ComplimentTuesday sounds like an interesting idea...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:50, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Guess who forked your report extension ;) (or possibly Special:ThankfulThursday :P)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 12:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::+1 for a Special: page where compliments can be submitted and a way of suggesting public compliments{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 16:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|5}}
 
But also,Scratch and Scratch Wiki are growing up with "Imagine, Program, Share".[[Frequently Rejected Suggestions#Private Messaging|Here]]'s an rejected example suggestion:{{quote|Private Messaging
 
When communication is public, people are more likely to be respectful because they know that everyone can see it. However, when posting PMs, people know that only the intended recipient can see it, so do not think as much before posting. Even if a "Flag PM" function is implemented, the Scratch Team currently does not have the resources to moderate it, because of the reason said before there would be a lot of inappropriate/disrespectful messages.|Scratch Team}} Also,we can see other's compliments(Google Forms give this in finish of the form,right?).
 
  
Shortly:
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There are many discussions on talk pages on the wiki that get abandoned until someone discovers them again. Wouldn't it be helpful if we had a list of all the pages with unresolved discussions that have yet to be finished? Here are some advantages to a list like this:
  
*It's a bad idea because...
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* In many cases, discussions won't get abandoned without being documented as unresolved discussions somewhere.
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* Users who want discussions to contribute to can just look at the list for some unresolved discussions.
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* It would improve the wiki's organization.
  
:*It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages
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I think one way we could implement a system like this would be with two templates: {{t|unresolved}} and {{t|resolved}}.
  
:*I have some questions about Google Forms security
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The {{t|unresolved}} template would mark the discussion with "unresolved." It would also add the page to the hidden category [[:Category:Pages With Unresolved Discussions]], and provide a link to the category. If the page was in the "User talk" namespace, it would not be added to the category. This is so that if users want to use the templates on their own talk pages, they can, but users looking for discussions to participate in won't have to dig through user talk pages. There would also be a <code>cat=no</code> option to manually prevent the page from being added to the category. I've created a draft of this template at [[User:Bigpuppy/Unresolved]]. Note that the category part is commented out right now, so that pages don't get added to a nonexistent category. If this suggestion gets accepted, it will be un-commented.
  
:*Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)
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The {{t|resolved}} template would mark the discussion with "resolved." It would have a <code>date</code> parameter that would show when the discussion was resolved. Resolved discussions would not be added to any category (unless that is something we want). I've created a draft of this template at [[User:Bigpuppy/Resolved]].
  
:*And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging
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Here are answers to some questions you may have:
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;Don't we already have the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?
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:Yes. However, those templates don't have all of the functionality that the {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates would provide. If we added this functionality to the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates, all of the discussions that were not actually marked {{done}} but still have the template on them (e.g. if the template was used in casual conversation) would be added to the category.
  
:*If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work
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;Would these templates replace the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?
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:No. Those templates would still be used in casual conversation and in tandem with the {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates (e.g. "is this conversation {{done}}?"). The {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates would be used more formally at the top of discussions.
  
:*Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)
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;Would use of these templates be required?
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:No. However, it would be recommended, so that the page gets added to the category of pages with unresolved discussions.
  
<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 20:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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;Would anyone be allowed to add these templates to any discussion, even ones they didn't create?
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:Yes. Similar to how the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates are used now, anyone would be able to mark a discussion as resolved or unresolved, even if they didn't create it.
  
::I would generally discourage the use of google forms for this kind of project given that you are seeking input from the entire community. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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;The drafts you created look curiously similar to the {{t|shortcut}} template.
:::I also disagree with using Google Forms because fake or anonymous users could abuse the feature. However, maybe Special:ComplimentTuesday could be the way to go... <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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:That's because I based part of their code on the {{t|shortcut}} template. {{e|:P}}
::::Google Forms are out by multiple Community and Wiki G/guidelines. A special page is the way to go. @Ahmetlii: If we're using a special page, problems solved include:
 
::::* <s>It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages</s>
 
:::::Compliments would be reviewed before being shown. Inappropriate messages are vandalism and would be treated as such. {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>I have some questions about Google Forms security</s>
 
:::::No Google Forms. {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)</s>
 
:::::Not a problem for me, it'll be fun! {{e|:)}} {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging</s>
 
:::::Compliments are shown to everyone - only who submitted the compliment is hidden. Not private messaging. {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work</s>
 
:::::Not very much more, and @jakel181 has been doing a great job on CT so far, I'm sure he wouldn't mind looking through the compliments before he posts them.
 
::::* <s>Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)</s>
 
:::::Not with a special page! {{done|Solved}}
 
::::I think a special page is definitely the way to go. I believe the following are the only questions to really consider:
 
::::* Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted?
 
::::** If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate?
 
::::* Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
 
::::** If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
 
::::This concludes my post.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I think we should allow EW/Admins/Bureaucrats see in some fashion. (Maybe not all but a couple)<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 12:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|5}}
 
* Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted? -Yes, they are. (I don't need it :P)
 
** If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate? -It's named as "be shy" :)
 
* Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
 
-No, we don't because S:JOIN-if somebody want to send a message, they must join and login to the Wiki.
 
** If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
 
-They can use Scratch profiles to send a message - it's only a Wiki about Scratch.
 
<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 17:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{not done|No clear resolution}}{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 22:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Welcome templates ==
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{{user|Kenny2scratch|name}} implemented semi-similar templates at [[User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks]]. They are similar in that they are templates located in the top-right of a discussion and show whether the discussion is done or not.
{{not done|Limit not yet negotiated}}
 
  
A lot of people have their own "welcome" templates that they post on new users' talk pages. This is a great idea, because new users can get to know new people and, of course, feel welcomed. However, the welcoming effect starts diminishing when things like this happen:
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So, thoughts? Do you like the idea? Do you think it could use some improvement? Do you think we shouldn't create these templates at all? Please share your thoughts below. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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:We already have S:CPND as a "unresolved" placeholder archive. I didn't see any usage of it unless marking "resolved" and "unresolved", and this gets another question: Will it be done or will not? (like 1 and 0, not includes 2 or 4). I don't think it's not important enough and @Kenny2scratch is using his permalinks to "never done" topics. I can support never done but not resolved-unresolved. Any opinions?{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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::[[S:CPND]] isn't really relevant here because this wouldn't necessarily be used on the CP (but it could); the main purpose is for things like article talk pages. Could you clarify what you mean in the rest of your comment? Also, [[User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks]] includes done topics; look at the statuses on the right of each discussion. However, that was just an example. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I don't think it's necessary for article talk pages, because they don't need an archive or a job queue. It's not necessary as I think and said before.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Thank you for your opinion. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::You're welcome. {{e|:)}} {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Couldn't we just add the functionality to {{t|done}} and {{t|not done}}? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Please see the answer to "Don't we already have the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?" in my original post. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:41, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:True, but you also stated that we could use <code>cat=no</code> as the default cat option. That way, all you'd need to do for casual conversation is add {{t|not done}} on the section. But on an "official" conversation, we would add <code>cat=yes</code>.
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:2 questions though: Would only {{t|unresolved}} add to a category? And, doesn't adding to a category add the entire page? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::Oops, first question has been answered as soon as i posted lol <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
  
[[File:That's a lot of welcomes.PNG]]
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== GitHub interwiki links ==
  
10 different people jumping on the new user is too much - it's not welcoming, it's downright scary! How would you feel if you created an account somewhere and you were confronted with a wall of "welcome"s?
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There seem to be a lot of GitHub links (including references) to the Scratch Wiki. Although the URL is not very long, maybe LLK github links (and maybe other github links) could have an interwiki link made for them (such as gh-llk, not 'gh' due to the presence of non-LLK github links as well). {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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:I don't think so. Github is an external link, even its links host Scratch repos. They may cause confusion. Plain links are a better solution.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
  
To counteract this, I don't propose forbidding welcomes entirely; what I instead think should be the case is that we have a limit on how many welcome messages can be on a talk page - probably around 4-5 at the most. That does mean it turns into a race as to who can get their message on first, but that can't be helped - if you want to get your message in, ya gotta be active at the right time.
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== About updating MediaWiki ==
  
I don't think there's much room for debate on the necessity of the limit, but what can be bargained is the limit itself - how many topics do you think is too many?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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TL;DR: We're doing some tests to update MediaWiki due to some problems.  Probably the wiki shut down for a few hours when it's ready to be installed. (Note: This is not an official explanation because made by me, so may be ignored)
  
:I think that a limit of 4-5 is a great idea {{E|:)}} I still remember when I started the messages really confused me. Also, I'd say that if you post a welcome message, it should have a variation of the simple title "Welcome!". I tried to make mine a bit different. I like the "All aboard!" one. Maybe we could say if there are more than eight messages already, really don't put one, but if there are 4-5 try not to put your template, but a personal message is okay.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 21:06, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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As the developers, we're currently experiencing some problems on general extensions due to errors; and to solve them, we're thinking to upgrade our wiki to 1.35. This upgration will change a lot of things, from icons to security patch; so we're doing patches to ensure that our extensions will work successfully. When all preparations are completed, probably someone from admins will make an explanation.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
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: Where did you get the information about the MediaWiki update here? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
  
::I see this level of enthusiasm as very exciting. While it may be a little intimidating, I look at it more as a great way to integrate yourself with the community immediately and meeting many of the people who you will be working with side-by-side. Nonetheless, I would love to see more data on this and interview some people on their experiences regarding this to see if it does have a negative impact. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump ==
:::As we are bargaining for this, I was just wondering what we'll be doing now. Should we be limiting welcomes now? Or do we continue welcoming as much as we can {{e|:D}}? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::While the rule is still merely proposed, it is not yet a rule. Welcomes are unlimited until this is put in force.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::[[User talk:StampDanFan|It has happened again...]]{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 20:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
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maybe a way to avoid this is to make the section named a bit different?? <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:Can't we make a User_talk:ACCEPTEDUSER/Welcomes page?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::That doesn't actually cause a ping tho...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::We could make it ping though if there is someone willing to mess with the code...{{User:Smileycreations15/sig}} 11:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I was just scrolling through the CP, and this caught my eye. Great idea, I definitely think this needs to be considered. I understand that people are just trying to be kind by sending the welcome messages, but it would almost be like a horror film for the person who owns the account. I think 4-5 welcome templates are enough, but I think there needs to be a break between even those. Getting 4-5 welcomes in a couple of seconds is also not the best of ideas.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:55, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::We should ask new users for their opinion on this right after they get the welcomes. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:06, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::I think 4-5 is a good limit. I personally liked getting welcomes, but I only got 3 of them. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 14:49, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::I'm a fairly new user, and I got 4 welcomes.  It seemed fine for me, so I agree that 4-5 sounds like a good limit. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 01:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== Block Problems ==
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TL;DR: We're upgrading to MediaWiki Version 1.35. Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2020
{{Not done|Not done, as blocks are still unfinished or broken}}<br />
 
Today I started to finish up the script for [[How to Evaluate an Expression]], and things got out of hand. When I first completed it, I realized I did some of the block loops wrong, and it like wrapped around some things that I didn't want to wrap around, while I also couldn't get this one if then else block to wrap around something else {{-}} it was all a mess. I cleaned some of it up, but I am afraid I'll make it worse and I already spent more than an hour on it. Also, I have to save it each time I want to check if it is correct, since for some reason the blocks won't load up in ''Show preview'' mode (it appears in code) but loads when the changes are saved. Can somebody please fix up the script to match the one in post #19 in [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/292813/ this forum topic]? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:The blocks still don't match the one in the post, I tried again on my sandbox and it still does not cut out. Anyone who is an expert at doing this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::You can use [https://scratchblocks.github.io this page].<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 07:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Curse Garamol56 for not using forum scratchblocks!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::@Ahmetlii That website may come in handy...
 
::::@kenny2scratch Yes, it is so exhausting to convert it into proper scratchblocks! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== TinyPic is closing down ==
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=== Why upgrade? ===
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Currently we're using MediaWiki 1.28, which is unsupported. This caused some problems and MW 1.28 is also incompatible with some extensions. This is why we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35, a LTS version soon to be stable.
  
I'm not sure how many pages this messes up but you should all know that TinyPic is closing down :({{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 19:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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=== Timeline ===
:Dang, could you name some examples of pages that use TinyPic? {{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 23:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
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Time not set, but this is a big project which can take weeks.
::In case you don't know: Scratch Wiki has its own image hosting (Wiki server) and does not use TinyPic(or cubeupload or anything else) at all. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 03:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:::@1a3c5e7g9i I forget the names right now, but theres one about image hosting I know for sure.
 
:::@Apple502j I know, but there are informational pages that will be incorrect.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 14:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::It looks like {{user|Jammum|name}} updated [[Image Hosting]]: see [[Special:Redirect/revision/231829]]. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 14:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::: Oh my god I know (but I use cubeupload). So what should we do? <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::: Simply put, update the pages that mention Tinypic to say that it's closing down (even though we should've already done that). {{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 19:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}{{done|Problem Solved!}}{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 22:34, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== AF Link Proposal ==
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=== Checklist ===
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Extensions and Skins:
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchWikiSkin2
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchLogin (patch applied to fix warning)
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* {{done|Replaced}} ConfirmAccount (new version built)
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* {{done|Compatible}} Report (patch needs review)
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchSig
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* {{done|Replaced}} EditAccount (new version built)
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* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchBlocks4
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* {{done|Compatible}} RecentChangesWebhooks
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* {{done|Compatible}} VisualEditor (but sb blocks will be only seen as string)
  
For April Fools pages, could we convert regular links in the page to the April Fools one instead, if possible?
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Bots:
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* {{done|Compatible}} InterwikiBot
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* {{done|Compatible}} TemplatesFTW
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* {{doing|Internal errors}} WikiMonitor (has problems about dependencies)
  
But we shouldn't go on a massive editing spree for this - only change the links if we stumble upon them or add new ones. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
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Misc:
:I think that depends on the person that creates the page, but I think that April Fools pages aren't that huge of a deal to change every link, even if stumbled upon. Also, most pages don't have an alternate April Fools page to begin with. <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 05:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
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* {{done|Compatible}} Special:BlockList patch - new version created
::Support.
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* {{done|Compatible}} Common.css
::{{User:Smileycreations15/sig}} 12:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
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* {{doing|Incompatible}} Common.js (sigwarn is problematic)
:::@Jedibrine: Sorry, by "stumbling upon", I meant when we add/modify the contents of an AF page. I don't want too many edits of just converting links.
 
:::Also, this will make AF pages more lively and humorous in a way. I myself have been disappointed in the past clicking on a link on an AF page, but found out that it led to a regular article.
 
:::And even if there isn't an alternate AF page, so what? We could just add the regular link for now, and then when it gets created, we could change it. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I thought that on April Fools Day, then if you clicked a link, it would lead to the April Fools version of that page if there is one...{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 22:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::No no, that's not what I meant. What I meant was when you click on a link that's on an AF page, it leads you to the regular page, and my proposal is that we should change those links (once again on AF pages) to lead to the AF version of the link, if possible. Even if this could be rendered useless on April 1{{th|1}}, it still would be more humorous for users who browse AF pages. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:48, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
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I don't think this is a good idea. What benefit will this bring? This change would mean that on AF Day, every ''mainspace'' page would be linking to the AF subpage instead of linking to other real pages. Then any normal user would suddenly be taken to some cryptic page titled "Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Ignatious Q. Higgenbotham" and not know what they were looking at. Plus, the {{t|April Fools}} template (which is on every ''mainspace'' page with an AF version) shows a header saying "this is a joke, scroll to the bottom for the real article"; the {{t|AF}} template (which is on the ''AF versions'' of mainspace pages) does not. Linking to AF versions from mainspace would remove the ability for educators, New Scratchers, and other members of our audience to get some serious help that they just happened to need on AF Day.
 
  
That's my two cents.
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{{collapse top|List of all extensions and skins installed on all wikis}}
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Status: C - Compatible, I - Incompatible
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* C: Cologne Blue (en)
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* C: Modern (en)
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* C: MonoBook (en)
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* C: ScratchWikiSkin2 (en)
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* C: Vector (en)
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* C: CategoryTree (en)
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* C: CheckUser (en)
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* I: ConfirmAccount (en)
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* I: EditAccount (en)
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* C: Interwiki (en)
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* C: Random In Category (en)
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* C: Report (en)
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* C: ScratchLogin (en)
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* C: CharInsert (en)
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* C: Cite (en)
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* C: CodeMirror (en)
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* C: InputBox (en)
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* C: ParserFunctions (en)
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* C: RandomSelection (en)
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* C: mw-ScratchBlocks4 (en)
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* C: SyntaxHighlight (en)
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* C: NativeSvgHandler (en)
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* C: AbuseFilter (en)
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* C: RecentChangesWebhooks (en)
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* C: WikiEditor (en)
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* C: DismissableSiteNotice (en)
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* C: EventLogging (en)
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* C: Google Analytics Integration (en)
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* C: GuidedTour (en)
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* C: DynamicPageList3 (de)
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* C: EmbedScratch (de)
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* C: EmbedPhosphorus (de)
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* C: EmbedVideo (de)
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* C: Labeled Section Transclusion (de)
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* C: Lockdown (de)
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* C: Admin Links (ja)
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* I: Contribution Scores (ja)
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* C: MassMessage (ja)
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* C: Newest Pages (ja)
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* I: ImagePagePrintLink (ja)
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* C: ImageMap (ja)
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* C: OpenGraphMeta (ja)
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* C: YouTube (ja)
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* C: RelatedArticles (ja)
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* C: AutoSitemap (ja)
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* C: BetaFeatures (ja)
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* C: Description2 (ja)
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* C: Disambiguator (ja)
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* C: GuguruSearch (ja)
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* C: InterwikiSorting (ja)
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* C: RevisionSlider (ja)
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* I: SearchStats (ja)
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* C: TextExtracts (ja)
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* C: Loops (fr)
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* C: WikiSEO (fr)
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* I: HeadScript (fr)
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* C: HitCounters (test)
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<small>BTW, @TenType, there's a shortcut for {{t|th}} for 1, it's {{t|st}}. There are also {{t|nd}} and {{t|rd}} for convenience.</small>{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:17, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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=== Discussion ===
:I don't think everyone knows what I'm saying. Only <u>on</u> AF pages should we link to other AF pages; why would we link AF pages from mainspace? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:04, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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This is gonna be big. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 08:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
::Dude. AF pages get ''transcluded into mainspace on AF Day''. The links remain unchanged upon transclusion.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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: Question: Is Vector going to be compatible with it? I sometimes use SWS2 but I mostly use Vector on my laptop. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Welp, yes, but this would also benefit users who browse AF pages when it's not AF day. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 17:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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:: @garnetluvcookie: Definitely because MediaWiki uses Vector as default.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 13:45, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I don't really know that many people that browse AF pages outside of AF day, and there are ways for people to access AF pages if they really need to. If people want to reach a page on AF day, all they will find are AF pages. <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 04:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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::: Thanks! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
::::<!-- this indentation is intentional -->I've made a change to the {{t|April Fools}} template (the one that goes on mainspace) so that it shows a little icon in the top right that links to the AF version. That should make things easier for the minority that browses AF pages, which substitutes the only real benefit of this; therefore I shall consider this {{done}}.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::While we are doing this, can we add the VisualEditor? I have used it at snapwiki.miraheze.org, and it works great! I'm so excited for this update! <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 22:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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::::We are planning on adding the Visual Editor, however a bit of adaptation is necessary. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 01:03, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
== Thankful Thursday! August 1{{th}}, 2019 ==
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:::::Why is the VisualEditor incompatible with ScratchWikiSkin2? As far as I know, (and I've been exploring this) the skin has all of the necessary hooks. Has anyone tried it? <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 16:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 021}}
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::::::@GrahamSH: I tried and tested. I know it has all necessary hooks, but also it cannot simulate the editing visually(because our skin is restrictive). We (as all developers in the Wikis) are looking for compatibility.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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:::::::Update: VisualEditor is working currently with a few unimportant things like sb is not seen as block.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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{{outdent|7}}(Remember to outdent at 6) What changes are there between 1.28 and 1.35? I know there's visual editor but I'm not sure what else.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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:If Scratchblocks are to be added to the VisualEditor here, how will they be inputted? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
The next TT is August 29{{th}}. See you then!
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::@Jammum: We're working on it for editing blocks visually. Probably we will use text, but also the blocks will be seen instantly on VisualEditor when someone did an edit on the Scratchblocks text.
 
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::@Dominic305: There are a lot changes, I suggest you to read all changelogs between 1.28 and 1.35.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 07:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::Will the extension Popups be enabled instead of the current thing in the common.js? Popups, (the extension) is much better. <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 12:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::: Also, since Special:BlockList patch is broken, you could try using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 14:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::Isn't that supposed to be August 1{{st}}? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 17:54, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::: Thanks for the helping, but the developers is thinking that manually editing MediaWiki is better than use an extension for it. Anyway, thanks again! {{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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:::::: I am not sure where Ahmetlii got the idea above-- nobody has even ''suggested'' that, in addition to it being a bad idea for a number of technical reasons that I am sure ISW understands. There have not been any suggestions for a way of implementing Special:BlockList privacy, but I will see about some solutions. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 18:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
== Split Help talk:Welcome/4 ==
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{{outdent|6}}
{{done}}
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For VisualEditor, couldn't you do something similar to the way it's done in scratch forums?<br/>
 
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<small><small><s>I wish I could help but I don't know a single thing about PHP</s></small></small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
[[Help talk:Welcome/4]] is used by new Wikians to test out using talk pages. But, there is also a real discussion on the page named 'Blanking' (although before the actual discussion, there are a few talk page tests).
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:I don't think so. BBS systems and wikis are two different things. <small>btw, I'm not also good at PHP (my specialty is Python on backend)</small>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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::They are, but I wasn't saying that you use the systems. I was just saying to use the concepts of how the scratchblocks are entered into the visual space.
I suggest that all test discussions should be moved to its own talk page (that is a sub-page of the real talk page), which could be named something like 'Help talk:Welcome/4/Testing'. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
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::<small><small>SAME, but I actually don't know a single thing of PHP</small></small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
: They really should! <scratchsig>God286</scratchsig> 06:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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::: Actually, it could look for typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"<scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::I disagree - besides posting on talk pages, New Wikians should also learn how to get to them. If they have to additionally navigate to a subpage, they might be misimpressioned that they have to do that with all talk pages. At the most maybe indicate at the top of the page that ''real'' discussions should go in a subpage.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:46, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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::::<s>What do you mean by the tags are found? We use <code><nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki></code> tags to make scratchblocks on the wiki...</s>
 
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::::<s>In the visualeditor, we could just make a button, that will make something similar to the templates popup in the visualeditor. Then edit and it makes the block!</s>
== New Featured Images ==
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::::Edit conflict lol, but I wouldn't recommend deleting your entire post and replacing it with something else. It doesn't tell others what your previous thoughts were, (they could support you, or not) And is that <code>typof=</code> supposed to link anywhere? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
{{not done}}
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:::::In the visualeditor, elements with scratchblock have <code>typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"</code> in their html. But, there is no text (shown) that says <nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki><scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 01:05, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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::::::That's because <nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki> get's replaced with <code><nowiki><pre class="block"></nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki><code class="block"></nowiki></code> to make scratch blocks...
Hey! Soon, on August 12th, it'll have been a month since we updated the Featured Images yet. This time, I don't want to do them late like I have in the past, so does anyone have any suggestions? {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::::I'm sorry but I don't understand your point. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
:A photo of somewhere tropical. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::I don't understand - is this a joke (if it isn't, I'm not trying to offend; simply trying to understand)? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::It is. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 13:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::: The _:))_ emoji. Looks nice and funny.<scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:23, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::You mean literally feature the {{e|:)}} picture? I guess that works LOL
 
:::::I'd suggest [[:File:Statistic Rollover Info.png]] because it looks cool and has a random interesting piece of info :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:42, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::It's been August 12th, does that mean this discussion is now for the next featured image change? Or can this be archived?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-archive TIME! ==
 
 
 
FYI These CPND topics are to be archived:
 
* [[S:CPND#Wiki Wednesday suggestion link should be on the left?]]
 
* [[S:CPND#Why doesn't the "CodeMirror" thing always work?]]
 
* [[S:CPND#Assets Page]]
 
* [[S:CPND#Community Blocks Page in my Userspace]]
 
* [[S:CPND#VisualEditor extension]]
 
 
 
And don't forget [[S:CPSYS]]! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 01:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:Wow, a lot of pages in the Not Done section can be archived! {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:26, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done}}!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Minor Change to S:CONTRIB ==
 
 
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
[[S:CONTRIB]] says "'''Creating an email is encouraged''' if you haven't already. You will need it if you forget your password.", but the passwords are emailed now, I believe - so I believe it should say something like "'''Creating an email is encouraged''' if you haven't already. You will need it to receive your password." What does everyone think? Or am I missing something? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:33, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:It's required.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:36, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::Yeah, so maybe we should put "Creating an email is required" instead. {{E|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I have no objections.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:41, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Shouldn't be encouraged since it's mandatory like Banana said. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Right. {{e|:)}} I'll just change it and if anyone realizes that it shouldn't have been done, we could change it back. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::{{done}} - does it look okay?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
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Well {{done}} for spotting and fixing that! I'm completely happy with the changes.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 23:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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I looked at the MediaWiki website and it said that the EditAccount extension is archived, which might be why it does not work on the latest MediaWiki version. Is it going to be forked or replaced?
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{{User:Jammum/Signature}} 10:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:We're working on it. The only thing is we will not use EditUser (because it's so restrictive). Please check the GitHub repos of the International Scratch Wiki for public changelogs of the Scratch Wiki systems.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 11:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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::apple502j has created an alternative to EditAccount that can be used on MediaWiki 1.35: [https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/PassEdit PassEdit]. The original reason we needed EditAccount was for the case when users forgot their passwords and emails were set incorrectly (or they entered their email incorrectly when requesting an account and couldn't get their password sent to them when their account was created). However, now that we have ScratchLogin, that is no longer an issue, since users can reset their password by using their Scratch account. We have tested the extension and it does work, but we are not sure if we will enable it or not.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 23:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Wiki Wednesday - Participate! ==
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== am i allowed to edit user messages if... ==
  
Hi everyone!
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Am I allowed to edit user messages if the user calls me something I don't like to be called (only to fix what they call me)? Lots of people call me "Garnetluvcookie", which I don't like because I'm very sensitive about how the G in my name is capitalized. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: That is not an allowed usage of editing others' messages. Especially not when Garnetluvcookie ''is'' infact your username, although you may prefer something else and are allowed to make others aware of that. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 19:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: oml is this just to trigger me <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: also my scratch username ''is'' @garnetluvcookie, MediaWiki just auto capitalized the G. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: The message was not intended to "trigger" anything-- you asked a question and I answered it. While I am aware that MediaWiki does strictly capitalize username, and you are allowed to edit your signature or use displaytitles on your user (talk) page as appropriate, it would not be appropriate to chastise others for referring to what is your actual name. It also does not constitute editing another users' message as this can sometimes misrepresent what they are saying. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 19:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message. To '''g'''arnetluvcookie, ask Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Just don't ask him right now, of course. He's busy with his studies. (So am I but I can't resist replying to talk messages...){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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: "Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message." This sarcastic comment is not helpful here. The point is that messages are edited when they are in violation of policies or when they are causing some other problem (for example, messages with erroneous formatting such as unclosed tags, messages adding a page to a category, or something like that. In addition, I ''have'' had others edit my messages in a way that changes their meaning before that has needed to be undone. The actors were doing so in good faith, but it was still problematic.
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: "Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him." So, he has a bias, meaning probably ''not'' the best ask. Instead, see the already existing well-established policy which says it should not be edited. In general, talk page messages are treated like userspace. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 00:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::garnetluvcookie, I realize that you may not like the name, but you shouldn't change another person's edit. Instead, you should reply kindly asking them to stop calling you that and to call you the names you prefer.
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::You also shouldn't be "triggered" against a capitilization. MediaWiki, and autocorrect, will capitilize yours, and others, names.
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::If they continue calling you that name (or purposely capitilize it), that's a completely different story. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: The user repeatedly keeps calling me Garnetluvcookie , and I've reported the revisions and no action has beeen taken. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Have you asked the user to stop?
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::::I also don't think reporting the revision for this matter is appropriate. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I have asked the person to stop at least 4 times. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 17:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Ok... but instead of reporting their revision, ask an admin or someone. But please [[Scratch_Wiki:Assume Good Faith|assume good faith]] in the future. It may be an accident. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}} I am assuming good faith. It's most likely an accident, but it's just something I'm sensitive about and annoys me... a lot. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Great! Just a suggestion: maybe include the names you don't want to be called on your userpage.
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:May I ask why the capital 'G' annoys you? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Sure. There are many reasons why, but the important one is that I never put capital letters in my usernames because it messes up literally my whole profile page for some reason and makes me look like someone who Talks Like This. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: i just realized i single-handedly blew up the CP 😲 <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::That's a weird reason in my perspective, but you do you....
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::::Only 4 KB left to go before archiving {{e|;)}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Do I what? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Clarification: You must not use Report extension unless you need to contact admins urgently and privately, like sharing email or vandalism. If you "abused" Report extension, you may be blocked. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 19:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}} I don't want to start a flame, but I believe that was a fair report because it may seem small to you, but it affects me mentally and emotionally. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Maybe make a less strict report extension? In this case, the 'new' report button could've been used to report a user that hasn't stopped calling garnetluvcookie with a 'G'...
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:I'm not sure, it's just a thought.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::So there's been a lot of discussion on both sides of this matter - I thought it would be appropriate to share my two cents on the matter. To be clear, I do not wish for my reply to be hostile, demeaning, or rude, simply a summary on my thoughts.
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::I do not believe that it is a "weird perspective" to have a [https://regex101.com/r/QSyeGl/3 preferred way of being referred to as]. Sometimes the little things can really tick people off, and I understand that. I also understand that MediaWiki autocapitalizes names, such as jvvg/Jvvg, however we should all take note of people's preferred names and call them by that rather than their MediaWiki name.
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::In instances where a user has been referred to incorrectly, whether intentionally or inadvertently (as has been stated before, [[S:GF|Assume Good Faith]] {{E|:)}}), the proper course of action should be to ask the user nicely not to refer to you as that and give a correct preferred name, which I can see has been done here multiple times. I understand it may upset/annoy the user who has been incorrectly referred to, however editing a message should not happen, which I can also see has not taken place. Good job!
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::Reporting should also not usually be used in these circumstances - instead, CC an admin or EW into the conversation and they will (hopefully) ask the user nicely to use the correct name.
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::@garnetluvcookie I understand that how you are referred to affects you deeply. Please don't think you are being told off here. In fact, by asking the user nicely to not call you by a certain name, you've done the right thng. Well done. {{E|:)}}
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::I think we all need to calm down and hold off sarcastic, snidy, or mean comments. We're a community built on being welcoming and enjoyable, let's keep it that way. :){{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 20:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Small question: what do you mean by CC? <s>Isn't that a copyright</s><br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::@12944qwerty CC, as in, carbon copy, I assume.
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::::If you didn't know, CC is for sending a copy to another user for their information. Primary recipients are addressed as "TO" and others as "CC". (there's also BCC, but I don't want to go into more detail) {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 20:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Oh, that makes sense lol. thanks <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Those who have been following Wiki Wednesday closely might have noticed that we introduced a new section in July, "Participate!". Our goals are to
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== archive the CP ==
* increase community engagement with the Wiki Wednesday event
 
* reduce (the relative amount of) spam on the topic
 
* show people that they can use the Wiki to answer many questions
 
* get more people interested in joining the Wiki by inspiring them with interesting questions/ topics that need coverage
 
  
In July's participate we asked people to ask questions, try to answer them with the Wiki or otherwise answer if they can. We got some interesting questions:
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I'm amazed that i basically made it blow up :P (i need to reset my sig so unsigned) {{unsigned|garnetluvcookie}}
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:{{doing|Archiving...}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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::{{done|[[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 108|Archived]]}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
  
> Answered by wiki
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== Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it) ==
* Where is the remix tree?
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{{not done}}<br />
* What is the Wiki?
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<small>i can't explain anything so here goes...</small>
* What is Wiki Wednesday?
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I've seen many people getting the "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB" message. Why? These users uploaded files that are like 6 KB. 6 KB!!! That's incredibly small, at least for file sizes. I believe that the minimum file size for compression should be raised to 20 KB because that's a size that's small, but large enough that it's too big. Thoughts? <br /><span style="color:red"><span style="background:#2f3136;height:22px;display:inline-block;padding:0px">[[File:Glc.jpg|18px|link=users:garnetluvcookie]] [[User:garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">''♥ garnetluvcookie ♥''</span></b>]] [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style=color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">| ''♥ talk ♥''</span></b>]] <span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">'''|'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">''♥ contribs ♥''</span></b>]]''</span></span> 00:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
* Who invented Scratch?
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:I think the title of this topic should actually be "'''Increase''' the file size thingy (read this to get it)" (or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?) {{e|:)}}
  
> Answered by community
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:Also, could you please clarify which message you're talking about?
* Troubleshooting on MacBook
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:* [[Special:Upload]] states "Is the image's filesize over '''300KB'''? If it is, please compress it. [https://tinypng.com TinyPNG] is recommended for PNGs and JPEGs (contrary to the name, it does support JPEG)."
* Changing the profile picture on a tablet
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:* The [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-huge-file|abuse filter warning]] that appears when you upload a file that's too large also uses the 300KB number, stating "If your file is over 300KB, please compress it. [https://tinypng.com/ TinyPNG] is recommended for PNGs and JPGs."
* How many studios can someone create?
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:* The [[User:TemplatesFTW/Config/CompressMsg|message]] that {{user|TemplatesFTW|name}} posts on users' talk pages after it compresses their files does not state any number, but rather states that "... the image size was kinda big ...".
* How to make a thumbnail (that is not visible once the Green Flag was clicked) for a project
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:None of the above messages mention that you should "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB," so could you please clarify which message you are talking about? If I'm missing something obvious, please point it out. Thank you! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Ahh, yes I meant increase, it's just pretty late where I am and I'm a bit sleepy. Also, the compress if it's over 2 KB thing was a joke to show how low the compressing thing is :P.  I'll fix the post <s>before I fall asleep in my chair</s>. <br /><span style="color:red"><span style="background:#2f3136;height:22px;display:inline-block;padding:0px">[[File:Glc.jpg|18px|link=users:garnetluvcookie]] [[User:garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">''♥ garnetluvcookie ♥''</span></b>]] [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style=color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">| ''♥ talk ♥''</span></b>]] <span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">'''|'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">''♥ contribs ♥''</span></b>]]''</span></span> 02:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Yeah people take compression way too seriously. ''Maybe'' at 30mb losslessly you should ''consider'' compressing, but there's no reason to compress something already only 20 kb (which is incredibly small in 2020, a lot of JavaScript files are bigger). Some images have been compressed so aggressively that the text becomes difficult to read and have needed to be reverted. The file dimensions were recently increased to 1080p a couple weeks ago, but there hasn't been much comment on file size. I personally think that an increase on file size limit would be very helpful as compression has been taken way too seriously (in most cases it has almost no benefit, although there are always exceptions). In addition, admins for some reason can upload files up to 218 times larger than non-admins, which again I think is another unnecessary line. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 02:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: Exactly. All it does is decreases file size by like 4 KB. Personally I think that compression is taken wayy too seriously here. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 02:31, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
  
> Unanswered
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== Tone down the rejected messages on [[S:BR]] archives ==
* When are Scratch Updates launched?
 
* Branding Tips
 
* Project ideas
 
* Wall detection platformer tutorial
 
* Make a bullet follow a player
 
* Full game tutorials
 
* How to draw in Scratch
 
* What did the ST expect people to do with studios?
 
* How to get hacked blocks
 
  
As you see some of the unanswered questions could have been answered using the Wiki - oh well, they were burried beneath spam I guess...
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{{Note|None of this was made to offend the people who reject bot requests. Please take no offense.}}
  
This month's Participate! is to give us feedback on last month's participate and Wiki Wednesday in general. It would be great if the Wiki Community could participate :) On the Wiki Wednesday post: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/368257/ post your feedback! You can also make suggestions for future Participat! sections. Or say if you don't think Participate! is useful and try and develop another strategy. Thanks all!
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Some of the rejected summaries at [[S:BR]] rejected requests are very unwelcoming. For example, my rejected message had "User has no programming experience" which comes off extremely rude, and when I do have programming experience (if you count Scratch as a programming language... *awkward smile*). The only reason that I don't is because I'm incredibly young, not even in middle school. If I was 5 years older, I would've created a bot already. (Please don't argue this point against me, I don't want the summary bored into my head)<br />
  
-- <scratchsig>LiFaytheGoblin</scratchsig> 17:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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Also, a user may not have much experience in the language, but that doesn't mean that they are incapable of creating a bot. I know many people online (haha don't ask about IRL) that are new to the language that they chose, but they've created amazing stuff. It's enforcing the stereotype of "young children are dumb and can't do complex stuff". No matter how minor, it's still showing bad behavior as a role-model.<br />
  
:{{cool|Very cool!}} Even though I didn't participate in last month's "Participate!", I will make sure to participate next time! (This sounds like a great idea btw!) {{e|:D}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
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This doesn't mean that the admins need to rewrite every single rejected summary, they just need to be more considerate about how others will feel. <small>extreme nostalgia and/or cringe side affects may occur in 3... 2... 1...</small> It's like that concept that everyone was taught in early grade school, fill others buckets, don't dump them. <br />
  
== Scratch down ==
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<small>now my fingers hurt :P</small> <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
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:<small>As mysteriously as he arrived, NYCDOT was gone again.</small> Hi. I checked out your BR, and it appears that Ken wrote "Proposer has no programming experience and VoxBot is the only approved typography bot." He said it like it is, you have no experience. What is he supposed to say? We aren't going to give out gold stars to people who propose that they create their own bots without any idea how to do so. Try out a some programming languages ''before'' proposing a a new Wiki Bot, and I'm sure the next time you have a BR the admins will be more than happy to review your request. As for the bot idea itself, VoxBot is an approved bot that we know works well and does its job. If you have problems with it, I'm sure KrIsMa will listen to your suggestions. {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 18:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: I do have programming experience, I just only knew Scratch at the time I suggested it. Also, even though I apparently am dumb, I do know a good bit of Python. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Two things. One, no one ever said you were dumb. Not knowing how to do a certain thing doesn't make you dumb. Two, at the time of the bot request, you pretty much had no experience. While you may have some now, that doesn't change the past. If you think of a new, useful bot, you can propose one again. {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 18:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::<small>Welcome back NYCDOT, I came back recently too {{e|:P}}, also, remember about your indents :P</small>
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::::Scratch is not counted as programming knowledge. Although you could use scratch knowledge to code with other languages, knowing scratch only isn't enough. Can you make a bot with scratch coding? No, you cannot. Ken writing that you have no programming experience is completely fine. You agreed you have no programming experience outside of Scratch.
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::::Although it may be rude for you, it is in no way meant to be rude. Ken wrote all details in his rejected message so that everyone understands why this bot got rejected and so that users don't make a bot for the same reason. There's always a reason for writing things the way it's written. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Anyone know why the Scratch website is down? I’m at school, so I can’t check the Twitter posts.{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 16:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Try it yourself! (button) ==
:Hmm, I don't know. When I got on at about 1:10, it said down for maintenance, and then I just checked back to get to the Twitter posts and it's back up again, at 1:11. Weird.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 17:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:: Maybe your school banned Scratch since there a games there. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:22, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::No, it was down, like [[Maintenance Mode|down for maintenance]]. Not banned. I wasn't at school anyway.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 16:54, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Maybe [https://scratch.mit.edu/news this?] <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 04:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::It happened when 2.0 was turning into 3.0, but by the date of the post, I don't think the reason was due to that. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Statistics - New Zealand ==
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My idea is that there will be some visual scratchblocks, and a button next to it. The user can click on the button, and it will bring them to scratch and remix a project with the code in it. They can then mess around with it.
  
I think we need to write in [[Scratch Statistics|this page]] that New Zealand is cut off massively, and can not really be seen. It's quite noticeable! <scratchsig>God286</scratchsig> 06:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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You could probably use this in
:Actually, this is a common thing done in corporate - New Zealand frequently doesn't constitute a large statistic, and its presence extends the map a lot, so it is commonly deliberately left out of statistics maps. You can tell the ST to add it back, I guess, for all the good it'll do :P{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:39, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:: It's statistics can hardly be seen, due to the fact you have to hover your mouse on a little dot. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Giving Credit on the Wiki ==
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* [[:Category:Tutorials|Tutorials]]
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* [[:Category:Blocks|Scratch Block pages]]
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* [[Default Value]] (I thought of this idea on this page)
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<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Can anyone help me understand why the category links aren't showing up? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::Actually, we're also working about the embed projects (we have different opinions for make it, so I cannot say a specific info.). You can see everyone in here whose want to help for the Wiki! {{e|:)}}
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::For the second question, I've fixed it. {{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::What? I'm confused. What do you mean by "everyone in here whose are want to help for the Wiki"? There's a lot of English mistakes.... can you please fix it so I can understand? Thanks!
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:::OH YEAH, I forgot about putting those for some links... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I meant "please check public and private changelogs and also look at RC".{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::For embedding a scratch project? Can you direct me to it? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::{{done}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  
{{not done}}
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== Something's wrong ==
I think that we should make a template for credit like this: {{User:Scratch-Coding/credit|Scratch-Coding |template}}. It would be helpful. We could use the remix button image instead of the one I have. {{User:Scratch-Coding/Signature}} 00:09, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:When and where will it be used? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 01:05, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::What would you use this for, and why? The wiki is a collaboration and we all own a part of it. No one owns a article unless they created it on there userspace where they can so whatever they want with it.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 01:13, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Templates are mainly created for mainspace Wiki articles {{-}} when and why would this be needed? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:58, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::It would be used on userspaces, giving credit for a image, and giving credit for an example. <scratchsig>Scratch-Coding</scratchsig> 17:44, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::You can use it on your userspace but I don't think it's necessary. Btw: What did you do to your signature? It's broken.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 20:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::This wouldn't be that beneficial to the Wiki, especially if it is mostly used on userspace. I still disagree. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent | 6}} Who would use it? <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, I don't think this is necessary. If you need to credit someone you don't need a template. Furthermore, you wouldn't need to credit anyone on mainspace, this is collaborative and we don't get/need credit for what we write here.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 15:26, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 
  
==Watchlist token not Working==
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{{done}}<br/>
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Something’s up, my signature turns timestamps into code boxes, without the actual code tags appearing. Is this an error with my syntax or is it an actual bug? I’m not sure, so if someone could help me with this, that would be great. I’ve been trying to get it right for weeks. An example of the issue can be found below, or at [[User:78ch3/Sig|this page]]{{User:78ch3/Sig}} 00:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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: It's because [[User:78ch3/Sig]] has some new lines it should not. There are two line breaks between <nowiki></span></nowiki> and <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki>. Those new lines should simply be removed (so that it is <nowiki></span><noinclude></nowiki> on one line), and then it should be fixed. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 00:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: I got up this morning to fix it, but didn’t read this, so when I came here, it turns out I did exactly what you wanted me to do. {{User:78ch3/Sig}} 21:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: {{done}} {{User:78ch3/Sig}} 21:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
  
It claims to let me see my watchlist when I search it on the web, but it shows nothing at all. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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== My Banner ==
:Nope. The token is used for RSS - not web viewing. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 14:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::Oh, thanks! <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 
  
==How to use Scratch to host images?==
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{{done}}
  
It says right [[Image_Hosting|here]] that we can host images on scratch.mit.edu, but I don't know how. Could anyone teach me? Thanks! <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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Why did my banner get removed? I needed it for my forum signature and I can't use assets on my computer because it won't load and now my signature won't work. <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
:You can use images hosted in scratch.mit.edu (project thumbnails, studio thumbnails, user icons, etc.), but you can't upload images there. <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 16:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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:Is this problem related to the forum? If it is, please bring up the topic there and they'll be able to help you more.
::For example, your user profile picture on Scratch can be found at this link: [https://cdn2.scratch.mit.edu/get_image/user/17528194_60x60.png (look at the url)] <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 02:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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:Also, remember for the future to write your texts before your signature. This means that you do <code><nowiki>REPLY/TEXT ~~~~</nowiki></code>. The four tildes are your signature. Thank you! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:21, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
:::And Scratch images can also be directly embedded here too :) https://cdn2.scratch.mit.edu/get_image/user/17528194_20x20.png{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
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::It was not deleted, it was moved to a different title that was less generic.
::::I accidentally embedded it here first when I was trying to show the url lol <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 02:13, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
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::Also, the Scratch Wiki should not be used as an image host for Scratch or anywhere else outside the wiki. I recommend you use another hosting site such as CubeUpload to upload your banner.
:::::We are currently coming up with a good way to host future images for our Wiki Wednesday release. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:34, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
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:: <small>and i was caught in an edit conflict</small> {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::We're not an [[Image Host|image host]]. Use extensions that upload images to Scratch assets, or look to index.php for deleted images, or host in another website that Scratch allows. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Ah, I just looked at Recent Changes. Your banner didn't get removed. It just got moved so that it had a more specific name.  Banner.png could mean that it's a banner for the Mainspace Scratch wiki pages instead.
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::::Your banner is now located here: [[:File:Banner FollowCherryBlossom.png]]
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::::<small>I had edit conflict too lol, with both jammum and ahmetlii at the same time AND MYSELF oh gods</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I've editted like three times and the same has happened and okay <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
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:::::The reason for doing so is because I don't use cubeupload or photobucket, I thought it had been deleted <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
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::::::You should though. This wiki isn't meant to host images, you should use an actual hosting server. Those are some of the best hosting servers. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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"Those are some of the best hosting servers" no, those are just the ones allowed by Scratch. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Tinkercad Codeblocks ==
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== out of curiosity... ==
  
Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
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What's the 3 Revert Rule? I know we use BRD but it's referenced in many places, most notably [[Template:Nutshell|nutshell]].  
<scratchsig>LiamSapp123</scratchsig> 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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also, whatup with my message it's being weird or *looks above* close your tags!!! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
:Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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:The 3 revert rule is when you stop to discuss the revert if it has been reverted three times. At least that's what I remember. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
::Maybe we should have one about Blockly <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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::I don't think we have 3RR(Three Revert Rule) here. We instead have BRD - Bold, Revert and Discuss.
:::I agree that we should make one on Blockly. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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::Also, indenting your post with a space makes that box thing. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 13:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== October 2019 EW Election ==
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== Another user’s talk page organization ==
  
=== Overview ===
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Another user (not mentioning who) on this wiki requires users who post on their talk page that they use level three headings for discussion headings and put their messages in a section (some of which are not at the bottom of the page) on that page, whilst all other talk pages (including user ones) are supposed to use level two headings and require all messages (including bot ones) to go at the bottom of the page. Is the user's way of organising their talk page allowed? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
On behalf of all the Scratch Wiki admins and EWs, I am happy to announce that '''the seventh Experienced Wikian elections will be held in this month of October, 2019.'''
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: I know this user and I don't believe so. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I don't think it's allowed, but if it is right now then I think it shouldn't be. It's confusing.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 12:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  
You can find the most relevant information on the election page: [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019]] and the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Nominations|nomination page]]. Visit this page to learn more about being an Experienced Wikian: [[Scratch Wiki:Experienced Wikians]]
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== How to curate a project? ==
  
=== Rationale ===
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I want to know how to curate a project as I am interested to learn how to. I want to encourage my friend so thats one reason. If you got an idea how, please leave a reply so I can see. Thank you so much for everything and may god bless you abundantly! :) <scratchsig>Ani_coding_PRO</scratchsig> 11:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
This election is for mostly the same reason as the February 2018 elections. I (kenny2scratch) have now started 11{{th}} grade, and the level of stress is really high - this is the year where the vast majority of learning goes on. I'm not withdrawing or retiring from the Wiki like jvvg has, but I will definitely have to be far less active.
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:Here ya go: [[Curator (front_page)#Application_and_Selection]] <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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::@Ani_coding_PRO: Please ask in the [[Questions about Scratch]] forum (link to the forum is on the page) for Scratch-related questions that do not involve this wiki. The wiki is not a replacement for the Scratch Forums. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Now, the EWs elected in June have done their job very well - but I'm sure they'd love some help. Also, in the last election there was an experience imbalance - the candidates joined the Wiki in 2015, 2017, and 2018; additionally, at the time other nominees couldn't become candidates because of lack of experience. After three months, we feel confident that nominees will have more experience.
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== Wiki down? ==
  
=== Expectations/Hopes ===
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I got an HTTP 500 error for about 30 seconds a minute ago. Other wikis (I checked de, test, and fr) were up. Was this a server problem? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
EWs elected in this election should be able to dedicate a set amount of time each day to patrolling edits made that day. Though all edits from each day must be patrolled, the elects need not patrol them all by themselves. Instead, they should coordinate with myself and other admins and EWs to patrol the day's edits.
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: And again... <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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::This was a result of some preparatory work we're doing for the upgrade. Unfortunately there wasn't any way to do it without any disruption. However, it should be done now. You may experience some slowdown for a while, but not any more downtime.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 17:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Thanks. I am experiencing some slowness (a page takes around 1 minute to load) so that explains that. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I think the slowness has finally been resolved, so we should be good to go going forwards. I do not anticipate any remaining disruption to the Wiki until we actually perform the upgrade (we do not have a specific day planned yet, but hopefully soon).<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 20:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Yay! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 20:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Also running great for me! Did you figure out what was causing it or did it just go away by itself?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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With some help from apple502j and banana439monkey I was able to fix it. The issue was that 1. apcu (a PHP extension that greatly improves performance) wasn't enabled and 2. there was a setting keeping it from actually running even after I enabled it.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 20:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Don't understand how, but I'm still receiving a HTTP 500 error whenever I try to go to Recent Changes {{-}} It's always slow with loading, but it's never completely been broken. Is it because I have some laggy softwares on on my computer at the moment?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 07:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Do you use a browser other than Chrome or Safari? I've tested on my Mac on both Safari and Chrome and it works fine. It also may be your internet connection spitting false errors, but I can't confirm that because I have full bars and I'm literally 10 feet away from the router thing. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I use Google Chrome or Safari most of the times, coincidentally. I've tested on Lenovo (Windows 10) and now I'm on my father's Mac, but Recent Changes still gives a 500 error, and I don't have those laggy softwares on here.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 13:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: Odd. I've tried on Chrome and Safari on my Mac and my iPad, and i get no error. Try rebooting your WiFi? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Not at the moment, since my router is in the basement and I don't really wanna go there at the moment. However, quick status update: it's still happening.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::: Ok. I'll try to replicate it and find a fix. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 17:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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I am not receiving any HTTP errors but [[Special:ScratchLogin|ScratchLogin]] is broken for me. It keeps telling me I have not commented the code even after commenting. <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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:<small>please outdent correctly!</small><br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 22:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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::It's been more than a day since this has happened and it's still occurring. Could somebody please help? My dad went down and restarted the router today too.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Try going to Private Browsing and opening it without logging in? Maybe your entries per page is too high. Mine is set to 300 from the last 30 days.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::I'll try that; I think I set my entries per page to the highest possible amount, so that could be the issue. Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I didn't do it exactly the way you said, but I tried logging out and now I have the link for 50 entries, so I can use it for going to Recent Changes. This is definitely not a very efficient method, but because I'm an idiot I think this will work find for now. Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Awesome, glad I could help you fix it!{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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Even better, I found a way to let it do it automatically! Thank you so much for the help!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Elects should also:
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== make templates like [[wikipedia:Template:Trout|trout]] ==
* Know the account request process well (processing account requests is what the entire EW role was created for)
 
* Have a certain amount of activity per day outside of patrolling. Edits made in the course of patrolling are usually enough.
 
* Know how to gently/nicely/politely correct new users' behavior
 
** No: "Please remember to indent. You did not indent on User's talk page."
 
** Yes: "Hi, I just saw your message on User's talk page. Your comment was rather [positive adjective], but I just want to mention that when replying to other people's posts we usually..."
 
  
=== Conclusion ===
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(yes, i am aware of [[S:NOTWP]]. i am suggesting because it's funny.)
Nominations open at 12:00 AM UTC on October 5 (which is 8pm Scratch Time on October 4). Good luck, and may the best candidates win!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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Self-explanatory. There would also be self-trout, minnow, and whale.<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:Another one? It feels like we just did the last! Nevertheless, I'll nominate myself when it's open.<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 04:38, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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:<nowiki>{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Trout notification}}</nowiki> exists, if it is something multiple people want it could be moved out of my userspace. Until then you can use it with that link. I have not heard of whale or minnow but I'm sure those could also be made if everyone wants them.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::It is unprecedented, to have two elections in such a short time, but the rationale is valid.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:44, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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::<s>shameless plug</s> but not many people know about it unless you plug it everywhere :/ <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Cool, looking forward to see who the candidates are.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 20:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::We do not allow mainspace templates that aren't intended for use in articles or on talk pages. You may make a template like that in your userspace if you want.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Wow, this quick? I'll be waiting for nominations to open then {{e|:D}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Wait, question for Ken- so EW<u>'''s'''</u> will be elected or undecided? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Whoops, just read the election page. Carry on! {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:43, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|7}}Yay, I didn't miss it this time...{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 11:17, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:How do I nominate myself (once the page opens)? <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 15:04, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::You go to the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Nominations|nomination page]]. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 15:24, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Got it! Thanks! :) <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 15:39, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:::}}
 
=== Nominations open ===
 
Nominations are now open! Please see [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Nominations]]. Nominations close on October 12 (next Saturday).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:Reminder: Nominations close this Saturday! If you are unsure, you have a little over one more day to make up your mind.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:03, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:}}
 
=== Candidates ===
 
Nominations are closed! After much deliberation by the admins and current EWs, here is the list of candidates (in alphabetical order) in the June 2019 election:
 
* apple502j
 
* Jammum
 
* MClovers
 
* TenType
 
  
Candidates: Start writing your speeches! Once you have written your speech and are happy with what it says, '''post it in a reply here'''. Remember that speeches must be no more than 108 words and not break any rules stated on the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019|election page]]. If you like, you can post your speech multiple times - your last reply here that you mark as your official speech will be the speech displayed on the election page. You have until October 19 to write and post and/or revise your speech.
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== is this normal? ==
  
Everyone else: There's nothing for you to do right now - voting starts on October 19. Check back in a week!
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[[File:WHAT HAPPENED.png|1000px]]<br />
  
(Edit: your speeches will only be displayed on the election page at the start of the voting period.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:48, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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i think i successfully broke the wiki <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:Hey there! My name's TenType. I have a lot of experience on the Scratch Wiki, such as cleaning up existing articles, helping users around the Wiki, fixing Wiki markup, and much more. Since I'm one of the most active users on the Wiki and moderate every edit that goes into Recent Changes, I believe I would be an excellent fit as an EW for patrolling, handling account requests, and maintaining the Wiki. Lastly, I consider myself to be a hard worker- meaning I would be great for repetitive tasks such as deleting unused/redirecting files. Vote TenType for EW! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:17, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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:It's because you're on vector skin and zoomed in all the way.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::Hello, I'm an well-known apple, apple502j. Being an admin for more than years on Japanese wiki, my knowledge on how to moderate Wiki, including ConfirmAccounts, is so huge. I look at Recent Changes almost every day using my free time and I'm sure I'm the best person for patrolling task. I have created many articles here and joined many discussions around the Wiki since two years ago. Also, my timezone is UTC+9; similar to Ken's, so I can help his jobs at the almost same time. Make the Wiki nice like an apple, by Voting Apple. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 07:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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:: but i wasn't <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Hello, Wikians! It is a great honour to be a candidate for this EW election. I have been on the Scratch Wiki for nearly a year (at the time of writing this) made over a thousand edits, so I have enough experience. If I get elected, I will do many helpful actions, such as putting lots of effort into helping out and improving this wiki, answer everyone's questions and more. I will carefully read account requests and fix other's spelling and grammar. Finally, I will aim to be on this wiki daily and will only use new privileges for the greater good of the wiki. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::We do not officially support the Vector skin (or any other non-ScratchWikiSkin skin) and cannot make any guarantees everything will work with it. Also it looks like you are either zoomed in all the way as 12944qwerty said or on a small screen. On my screen, preferences looks fine in vector.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Hi fellow wikians! I'm @MClovers but you can call me Alpha. I'm so happy that I was considered as a candidate for the election! I just want to thank the current EW's and admins for choosing me as a candidate, It means a lot to me! Anyways, let's get onto my speech. I've been on the Scratch wiki for over 2 years now and I've enjoyed every second of it! I believe that the wiki is not just a place to get information but a whole community. Following this belief, I know how to manage online communities. I have a popular community known as 'ShopBux'. I won't get into what it actually is but the core of it is a thriving online community with over 300 pages and around 20 employees. I am a bit of a computer geek as well so I spend a lot of time on my laptop, meaning I am able to be on the wiki on command. Relating to this, my timezone is NZT so you can figure out when I'll be able to get on. I have the ability to correct users politely as I believe that new wikians may be put off if an EW came to them and attacked them. I can easily learn things so this will mean me learning every single nook and cranny of being an EW. Relating to this, I love learning new things so I will enjoy this position. My activity on this wiki will skyrocket as I understand the dedication required to be an EW. I will also try to reccomend the ideas of users to the other EWs and admins. Remember to #VoteAlpha if you want a say in how this online community is run!<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 03:49, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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::::Try disabling Dark Reader (right?) and seeing if it works.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::@MClovers, two problems with your speech:
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::::: ahahaha you got me :P <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::# Your username is MClovers, not AlphaZetta. "#VoteAlpha" doesn't really make sense in this context.
 
:::::# The word limit for speeches is 108 words. Your speech is 290 - over twice the limit.
 
:::::In any case, thank you all for your speeches - you now have until this Saturday to revise them. The last reply of yours here that you mark as your official speech will be used on the election page.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|5}}<Latest Speech>Hello Wikians, I'm an well-known apple, apple502j. Being an admin for more than two years on Japanese wiki, my knowledge on how to moderate Wiki, including ConfirmAccounts, is so huge. I look at Recent Changes almost every day using my free time and I'm sure I'm the best person for patrolling task. I have created many articles here and joined many discussions around the Wiki since two years ago. Also, my timezone is UTC+9; similar to Ken's, so I can help his jobs at the almost same time. Make the Wiki nice like an apple, by Voting Apple. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 05:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:<Latest Speech>Hi, I'm @MClovers! Thanks for choosing me! I've been on the Scratch wiki for over 2 years now! The wiki is not just a wiki but a whole community. I can manage communities. I have a community known as 'ShopBux'. It's an online community with an active following. I can get on the wiki on command. I correct users politely. I learn quickly so I can get to know the position. I love learning new things so I will enjoy this position. I understand the dedication required to be an EW. I will recommend the ideas of users to wiki staff. #VoteMCL if you want a voice!<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 07:51, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:}}
 
=== Voting Open ===
 
The deadline has passed! The candidates for the October 2019 election have written their speeches. View them on the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019|election page]].
 
 
 
Candidates: There's nothing for you to do now but hope. Remember that you are not allowed to do any sort of self-promotion anywhere.
 
 
 
Everyone else: Voting has opened! If your account was created '''before October 5''', [https://futuresight.org/wikivote click here to vote]! Voting closes on October 26.
 
 
 
Good luck to all candidates!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:27, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:Last day of voting! If you want to have a say in who your new EWs are, make sure to vote!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:26, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:}}
 
=== Election Results ===
 
Voting is closed! The votes have been tallied, and our two new Experienced Wikians have been chosen! ''drumroll...''
 
 
 
Congratulations to '''{{user|apple502j}} and {{user|TenType}}''', who won with 98 and 72 points! You will receive messages shortly explaining your new permissions and expectations, and then your usergroups will be changed.
 
 
 
More detailed results can be found here: [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Results]]
 
 
 
Thus concludes the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019|October 2019 Experienced Wikian elections]]! Thank you to everyone who participated, be it candidates or voters. Goodbye!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:Thanks everyone! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 06:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::Thank you everyone! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 18:32, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Congrats!{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 13:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Broken Link ==
 
 
 
In [[Scratch_Books]] the link for the book ''Coding for Beginners Using Scratch'' is broken. It apears that the company took down the book's page for a new book release which is updated for 3.0 I can never get the web archives to work for me so I thought I would tell all of you to decide what to do.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 21:08, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:I can't find it with the web archiver; it seems like it wasn't notable enough to document. I would suggest removing the book from the page entirely.<scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:19, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::Okay, thanks for your advise. Since the book isn't for sale anymore on their website it's probably the right thing to do.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 00:19, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::{{done}}<scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 23:26, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Does Image Hosting page need change? ==
 
 
 
In the [[Image Hosting]] page it seems that Xomf is still under the 'Pending review' section. According to [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/3717081/ this forum post] by [https://scratch.mit.edu/users/Paddle2See/ Paddle2See], they've tried to add Xomf but it didn't work. I think that this would make the wiki page out of date. Should I change it?<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 19:37, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, go ahead.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 19:51, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::[https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/368914/?page=5#post-3717750 Looks like they're trying for imgbb.com right now.]{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 23:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I know, I started it.<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 00:21, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Show Preview Loading ==
 
 
 
Is it just me, or is "Show preview" loading slower and slower as time progresses? At first, since I was using a phone to edit, I thought it was just the side effect of editing on mobile. However, I tried using "Show preview" on my two other laptops and the same happened- I clicked "Show preview", then the gray loading circle would pop up. It takes a VERY long time to load and sometimes won't even load at all. If you click on it again, the circle would disappear and the preview would still not be shown. "Save changes" and "Show changes" works just fine. Is anyone else experiencing this and if someone else is, then could this be fixed?
 
 
 
<small>At this very moment, I clicked "Show preview" and it is still loading... and loading... {{e|:(}}</small>
 
<scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:45, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:On desktop, works normally for me... loaded as instantly as any other submit function.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:52, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::It's starting to work more often now... probably some issues with connecting or something else. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:19, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== What happened to link previews? ==
 
 
 
{{not done}} They don't seem to be showing up for me at all anymore. Anybody else?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 02:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:Same here. Did someone turn it off? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::Also not getting previews (or at least when I tried it on [[Image Hosting]], linked above). I'll ping jvvg (since he was the one who enabled them).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Any reply from jvvg yet?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Have you found any information on this yet, anybody?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 23:22, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Should the EW election nomination talk page be protected from New Wikians? ==
 
 
 
New Wikians are ineligible from running in EW elections. Should the nominations talk page of it be protected to prevent them from nominating themselves? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 15:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:But will new wikians even nominate, that's the thing... Other than that, I think this should happen. It will make things a bit easier. <scratchsig>God286</scratchsig> 20:30, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::They will!  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Future questions like this go on the [[Scratch Wiki talk:Elections/October 2019|election talk page]], not the CP.
 
:::To answer the question, yes. I've protected it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 00:25, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::::{{done}}  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 15:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Delete these files please ==
 
 
 
<br/>{{Done}}
 
Can any of you guys delete these files?:
 
<br/> https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:My_Broom_I_Guess_(For_April_Fools)_(Dilek10).jpg
 
<br/> https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:ALL_HAIL_DA_SEMICOLON!!!!1(Dilek10).jpg
 
<br/>Thanks if you do so.
 
<scratchsig>Dilek10</scratchsig> 18:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:In the future, either post this kind of thing on [[/Admin Requests/]], or just use the {{t|delete}} template on the file. {{done}} by banana439monkey.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:56, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== How to make a new page on your account ==
 
  
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== Proposing changes on the roles ==
 
{{done}}
 
{{done}}
  
How do you make a new page on the Scratch Wiki on your account?
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Hi everyone. With the update, MediaWiki will give an extra feature for us: Time-limited roles. With it, we can do time-limited bots for testing, give role for a technical stuff and more. However, as the developers and admins, we will not want to enable it before getting a consensus - because it's about moderation also, undesirable actions may make different things.
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===Discussion===
  
<scratchsig>Legogo7777</scratchsig> 03:23, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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This will gonna be huge.
:Hi, welcome back to the Wiki! You can just navigate to the subpage e.g. by following [[User:Legogo7777/Sandbox|this redlink]] or typing it into the address bar, then editing and saving the page. Hope that helps :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:To my opinion, it's a good idea - and I believe that the admins will give it only for necessary actions. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: This is not something that needs discussion or enabling -- it is always on by default. Discussion {{done}} <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 19:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== New Curator ==
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== Downtime coming on Tuesday ==
  
The Scratch News needs updated, the new curator is scratch-explored (started Monday, I believe).{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 10:55, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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Hi everyone,
:jvvg is moving his scripts for his bot (see [[User talk:jvvg]] for more info). An EW may have to change it for now. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== The AF Button ==
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As detailed [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/4452468/ in a forum post], the Wiki will be down on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=English%2BScratch%2BWiki%2BUpgrade&iso=20200929T21&p1=797&am=30 Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 9pm Scratch Time/1am UTC] for about 30 minutes (click the link to see it in your own timezone). We will be upgrading MediaWiki to 1.35 from the current version of 1.28. See [[#Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump|the upgrade megathread]] for details about the upgrade itself and what it will entail.
  
It is very cluttering and bothersome, I don't like it and it confusioning the new members.
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During the upgrade, the English Wiki will be down entirely (all pages will be replaced with a message explaining the situation) and not just read-only. Other language Wikis will continue operating as normal, though they may be a bit slower. Any discussion necessary during that time can take place on our forum topic. We have done a dry run of this upgrade and have ironed out the issues that came up, so we do not anticipate running into any problems. Still, something unexpected may always come up, so please be patient and don't panic if it takes longer than 30 minutes.
  
Please remove
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TL;DR: The Wiki will be down Tuesday at 9pm Scratch Time for about 30 minutes so we can perform software updates.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
<scratchsig>DeleteThisAcount</scratchsig> 11:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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:Thank you jvvg and everyone else who has had a part in making this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:what in salamander Jimmy's name are you talking about
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:: Great! <small>now i like that i'm in the same time zone as Scratch</small> <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:also nobody will do anything if you ask them like that, can you ask more nicely?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:34, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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::: Same here. Looking forward to the updates! {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 19:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::I think he means the little teeny tiny April Fools' button? Somehow cluttering pages (in a space that is essentially ineditable)? That we just added?
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:::: Note: You can check update time from [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=English+Scratch+Wiki+Upgrade&iso=20200929T21&p1=797&am=30 here] to convert update time to your timezone. <small>However, I may not be able to see it; it will be at 4 am bruh</small>
::<small><small><small><small>what in salamander Jimmy's name</small></small></small></small>{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 23:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::: Anyway, I just wanted to thanks all users in the Wiki who made constructive edits and @Naleksuh, @Mini_Kostik, @apple502j, @Kenny2scratch, @jvvg, and other people who worked on development phase.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::I think DeleteThisAcount possibly clicked "New topic" or "Send a message" button and could not remove.I will create a topic on DeleteThisAcount's talk page.
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::::: @jvvg said the link before, sorry. :) {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::<small><small><small><small>what in salamander Jimmy's name(What's meaning of this?)</small></small></small></small><scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 23:48, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
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::::::Awesome (woo upgrade!), but also not awesome (boo downtime!)! I hope all goes well. {{e|10mil}}{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::The AF button in the corner is confusing and cluttering pages?
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::::<small><small><small>what in salamander Jimmy's name(it means that something could not be understood lol)</small></small></small> <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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I hope the upgrade brings exciting new features! (and the downtime will happen when I will be asleep) {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::"what in the name of X" or "what in X's name" just means something along the lines of "what on earth" - it's a way of emphasizing "what". "Salamander Jimmy" is something {{user|Turkey3|name}} once said on the CP.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 12:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::: Sorry so much for how the message was delivered, I was half asleep. I believe I was refering to the little rage icon on the front page that brings you to the April Fools pages. I thought that it was cluttering up the otherwise clean front page of the wiki. (And also with something that someone somewhere might consider to be rude as the icon shows a person saying the first two letters of a very not so nice word) <scratchsig>DeleteThisAcount</scratchsig> 20:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::I can agree to that, it is kind of cluttered and I would rather have it gone. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|7}} Maybe this button could be moved somewhere? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:57, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:First off, does it actually bother anyone that much? I don't notice it at all - it's a white image on a light background.
 
:Second, if you were to look at the full-sized image you would see that the icon actually says "APRIL FOOOOOOOOOOOOOLS DAYYY" rather than what you think.
 
:Third, I partially meant that icon as a way of introducing the idea of April Fools' pages to people who actually notice it - a fun thing to find out, like "hey the Wiki does April Fools too".
 
:Fourth, the other purpose of the icon is its main one - a convenient link to the April Fools' version of the page. It's much harder to type "Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Scratch Wiki Home" into the address bar than it is to click "Scratch Wiki Home" then the rage icon.
 
:I like it where it is; I guess I'm not strongly opposed to moving it somewhere else on the main page, but it serves its purpose best in its current state.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Suggestion for a new Scratch block: StringBuilder‎‎ ==
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:I really hope everything will go well during the upgrade :) <scratchsig>LankyBox01</scratchsig> 18:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
<big>Hello fellow Scratch Wiki users,</big>
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::aaa 2 hours left! Hopefully the updates are successful again {{E|:D}} {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 22:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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::::1 hour!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for VisualEditor! <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 23:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
I’ve been using Scratch over the past couple of years and I noticed something quite frustrating: Text.
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::::: Actually not 1 hour, because the update ''will '' start in a hour.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 00:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
It is really hard to portray graphical text in scratch that can easily be modified(ex. a sprite that dynamically changes it’s text based on the user input.)
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::::::45 minutes left of 1.28.3. Let's all say bye to the glorious... uh... ok I don't know. There's really not too much important to me in the upgrade (visual editor is overrated){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}} 10 minutes left until the update starts! I'm excited! {{E|:D}}{{User:4096bits/Signature}} 00:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Three more minutes! Thank you to everyone who has worked hard to make this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::The final minute for MW 1.28! {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 00:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::...and, we're back! Thank you to everyone who helped make this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::Awesome! Being honest though I kinda like the old MW version more. Not sure why. Also visual editor doesn't work on Scratch Wiki: namespaces?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Also canned edit summaries seem to be broken (clicking on the summary box opens the canned  edit menu){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Dominic305, I don't think visual editor is available for any talk pages. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Oh, I suppose you are right that it isn't available in project space, either. Huh. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Right now, there are only a few, limited choices with drawbacks:
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== Huh? ==
  
1) <u>Using the say block</u>
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My browser (this page) just went pitch black for a split second. Did anyone else experience this?<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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:No; but for that situation, also you can hard refresh or clean your cache directly.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::As in a simple black flash, that's normally when your browsers just rendered the page again. I wouldn't worry about it.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Using the say block will trigger the particular sprite to mention user-specified text(ex. Hello!). This method is simple, and easily able to dynamically change, but it comes with a few drawbacks. It is really hard in itself to customize the text, in ways like changing the size, color, and font. Furthermore, the text will always appear in a text bubble above the existing sprite, hindering it’s usability in many programs.
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== Loss of session data ==
  
2) <u> Preparing code to make dynamic text </u>
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[https://ibb.co/J3FNV9Q]<br>Not exactly sure why, but when attempting to save an edit, I got a session error, but doing the edit again was fine. Has anyone else ever experienced this?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)<br/>
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:No. It may be a problem with your iPad or Safari. I haven't used either for editing for at least 4 months, so I cannot confirm. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 20:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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::This sometimes happens when your session has conflicting data. Try doing that in an incognito (Chrome) or private (Firefox) window and see what happens, since that guarantees you have a fresh session.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 21:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  
In addition, people using scratch can develop their own typography to display dynamically. The procedure can be done by making the 26 costumes in an “Alphabet” sprite either by hand or using the existing typography. After the process, a “cloning” function can be made to generate the desired text. This is the other alternative to using speech bubbles, and it appears in various other types of  games. Unfortunately, it is really hard customizing features like size and font, because every other costume will be needed to be changed into the desired style. Moreover, getting the word function to actually work can
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== How do I make a fill width CSS for SWS2 ==
also be a problem.
 
  
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As per title. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  
<u><big> A hybrid of some sorts should be made, to further enhance the efficiency of the Scratch language we have come to know and love!</big></u>
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== Thankful Thursday! September 24{{th}}, 2020 ==
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 032}}
  
<u><big>StringBuilder!</big></u>
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
  
My proposed idea, StringBuilder, can be a hybrid between the two options, having the ease of dynamically changing and generating the text itself with having it being it’s own sprite!
 
  
To elaborate, StringBuilder should be a special type of sprite put into the “Add Sprite” button, so that users can get it themselves. It should also come with it’s own blocks and settings.
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The next TT is, October 29{{th}}, see you then!
  
<scratchblocks>
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{{not done}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
when green flag clicked
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: wow big thanks <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
set StringBuilder text to [Hello World]
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::Whoa! Thanks! {{E|:)}}{{User:4096bits/Signature}} 13:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
set StringBuilder height = [100]
 
set StringBuilder font to [Arial v]
 
set StringBuilder language to [English v]
 
set StringBuilder color to Red: [0] Green: [0] Blue: [0]
 
add[hello] to [StringBuilder 1 v] starting at index (1)
 
remove String at index (1) for [StringBuilder 1 v]
 
wrap text when <>
 
</scratchblocks>
 
  
I know these blocks aren’t perfect, so I am open to new suggestions!
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== userpage not showing /error ==
 
 
Thank You,
 
<big>Dewball</big>
 
 
 
:Hi Dewball! Sorry, but suggestions for Scratch are more suitable in the [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/1/ Suggestions Forum]. I've moved your page to a topic on the CP here. In the future, for Wiki-related topics use the Community Portal. For Scratch-related topics, use the [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss Discussion Forums]. Don't create an article about it! Thanks! {{e|:)}}
 
:<small>For other editors who are wondering about this, it was originally created on a mainspace article then moved to a topic here.</small><scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== AF Home new News ==
 
 
 
What if we add new News to the April's Fools home? <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 14:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:Nothing stopping you! The AF news aren't protected.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Protect Welcome pages from New Wikians ==
 
 
 
I recently reverted 2 edits that a New Wikian made. They were presumably test edits, but I think they could be mistaken for vandalising. To prevent edits like these, I think the Welcome pages (except the talk page for testing making talk page edits) should be protected from New Wikians, so they cannot make edits like those again. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:I agree, however they aren't really high traffic pages. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done}} - protected all the subject pages and none of the talk pages.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Thankful Thursday! November 4{{th}}, 2019 ==
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 022}}
 
 
 
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
 
 
 
The next TT is November 28{{th}}. See you then!
 
 
 
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 14:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 14:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Just trying to help...==
 
{{done}}
 
<br />
 
Shouldn't the front page section '''Scratch Program''' be '''The Scratch Program'''? This is a tiny edit, so it won't take long.
 
<scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 20:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:Hi, your signature was somehow broken. Maybe using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>?
 
:I think "the" can be omitted in that case. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:: Okay Apple. I tried using the tildies.
 
:: On the other hand, ok. Are you sure that is grammatically correct? I'm not very sure, though I'm not exactly the best at Grammer... <scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 20:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I don't think that the title should be grammatically correct as it is just a title... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 02:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::In my opinion, it doesn't really matter much. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't think it really matters.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 01:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 
==Scratch program image==
 
{{not done}} <br />
 
The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
 
<scratchsig> Mohie </scratchsig>
 
:Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
 
:Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.{{unsigned|12944qwerty}}
 
::He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in [[Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents]] needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
 
:::And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.
 
<scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Raw Watchlist ==
 
 
{{done}}
 
{{done}}
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::: my user page [[https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788]] is showed as :::external link pls help me i need it to make my siggy how its done is it an error?
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<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 05:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: It is because of how you are trying to link to your userpage. To have an internal link, you only need the page name, not the full URL of the page. So for your userpage this would be: <code><nowiki>[[User:Arjunking788]]</nowiki></code>. This will create a link like this: [[User:Arjunking788]]. If you want to make the link say something other than the exact page title, like this: [[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]] (without the "User:"), then you can do this: <code><nowiki>[[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]]</nowiki></code>. The reason it displays a "Bad title" error is because you were mixing the external and internal link formats. An external link with custom text is done like this: <code><nowiki>[https://example.com Example Link]</nowiki></code> (notice how it uses a " " (space) instead of a "|"), so you were actually linking to a page called <code>User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788</code>, which isn't a valid page name, instead of <code>User:Arjunking788</code>, which is a valid page name.<scratchsig>Mrcomputer1</scratchsig> 06:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::thank you now i could work on my siggy and i learnt to format css and html to make borders and
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:::::rounded ones
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<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 11:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Whenever I edit the raw watchlist, any user talk and main page talk pages are removed whenever I save. Are the talk pages automatically watched underneath the main pages? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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== Good news, possibly ==
:Watching any page automatically watches its corresponding subject/talk page too. Thus watching the CP also watches [[Scratch Wiki:Community Portal]].{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:37, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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Sorry if this is kind of irrelevant on the CP, but I thought putting it here would be a good idea to stop my excitement-- I have a new computer now for my birthday, which probably means more quality edits around here! You can expect to see me around a lot more often than before, at least for a few days.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Okay, thanks <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:50, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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:Awesome! Can you tell me what hardware it has?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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::It's a HP Pavilion gaming computer :D I'm mainly targetting to start working on a gaming channel, and this computer also has good visual effects which I need since I use programs like Scratch or the wiki a lot.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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::: Ooh, how many cores does it have? Mine has 6 <s>abs</s> cores.<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 22:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::: <small>yeah that's really relevant on the cp</small> anyway, congratulations then.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 22:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Epic, personally I'm going to [https://pcpartpicker.com/user/dominic03/saved/KtzFgs build my own] in a few months for $600.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Privacy Policy Article ==
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== 2 problems ==
  
{{done}}
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*1: Ken's canned edit script is broken (triggers when it shouldn't)
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*2: [https://ibb.co/x1JXg14 Visual editor problems]{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Number two also [http://u.cubeupload.com/bigpuppy/VisualEditorError.png happens for me] when I try to edit [[User:Bigpuppy/Status]] or [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox]] using the visual editor. Editing my userpage using the visual editor does not display the error. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::I also get it on those pages, so the problem is by page. However, it also has worked for me on a number of pages without issue. I will look into this.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 03:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::I was editing the Featured Studios with Visual Editor to test and got [https://i.ibb.co/C2RxHxg/image.png the error too]... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::The problem is that VisualEditor does not work on subpages. Unfortunately this is a limitation with Apache and the design of the extension. Unfortunately there isn't really much we can do about this for now other than wait for the developers of the extension to release a patch. As for Ken's canned edit script, please contact Ken directly about that, as that is supported by him and not the Wiki as a whole.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
We should probably delete [[Privacy Policy|this article]]. It's just a copy of the Scratch Privacy Policy and doesn't add anything to it. Furthermore, the article is outdated and is actually (presumably) the old Scratch Privacy Policy.
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== Upgrade complete! ==
  
I don't want to delete an article without asking some more experienced people first, and I don't know if I even have the permission to delete articles. What do you guys think? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 00:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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Hi everybody,
:I think it should be deleted. We could make an FAQ page, saying "What is Scratch's privacy policy?", give a short answer, and link to the full thing.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::This would be better in [[Talk:Privacy Policy]], but okay.
 
::I'm gonna have to wait for Ken's response on this, though I do agree with your argument. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I did make a post on the talk page, but I wanted more people to see it <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I think that EIephant_Lover's idea is good, but instead of deleting the page, we could just replace the current article with a short synopsis of the policy and a link, along with a disclaimer that "this is not a substitute for the actual Privacy Policy." <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 21:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Our article is 5th in rank in Google search results for "scratch privacy policy" (at least in my region), so I think if any redirecting happens it should be to the current title.
 
:::::The ideal solution is to add our own content regarding the privacy policy. Could we explain each clause of the policy rather than (or in addition to) directly quoting it? Maybe give examples, or make the meaning clearer? I'm loath to delete an article that should have good use but just doesn't at the moment.
 
:::::Side note: if you already posted on its talk page, and nobody responded, I think it's fair to get more attention on the issue by bringing it up here. You (Groko13) did the right thing here.
 
:::::If there's no content that can be added, I still think it should stay - I don't actually have a problem with it being a straight-up copy of the Scratch policy - but I agree with Groko13 in adding a disclaimer that "this is not the actual Scratch privacy policy", and I would furthermore recommend adding another disclaimer that "this is not the Wiki privacy policy, that can be found [[:de:Project:Datenschutz|here]]".
 
:::::Sound good?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Okay, I'll start work on updating the article and adding some additional information. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:12, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}Correct me if I'm wrong (I feel like I'm missing something here), but isn't [[:de:Project:Datenschutz|that]] the link the the Privacy Policy for the German Scratch Wiki? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:18, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:Yup! Pretty sure it is... <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:22, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::@Groko13 I see your edits to the article, but we don't have an actual privacy policy on the English Scratch Wiki, the German one does. Sorry if I confused you. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:37, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::If we don't have a privacy policy in English, though, wouldn't that be technically also be the English (and every) Scratch Wiki Privacy Policy? If not, we really need a privacy policy. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 13:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::The German privacy policy is merely for the software GmbH I believe. I'll ask some german editors more about what this is and get back to you. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 18:15, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::So basically, the German policy is the only legal document; that's why we don't have one. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:10, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::So is it the privacy policy for the Scratch Wiki, or what is it for? The GmbH software? Do we need a privacy policy? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 00:13, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}Okay I messed up. Ignore everything I said.
 
I was just talking with the other editors and we actually do use the German one. Your edits were correct. {{e|:)}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:17, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:Okay, I'll add the link to the Wiki Privacy Policy back in. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 00:19, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done|Already added!}}
 
::<small><small>2fast4u</small></small> <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Yep, I saw that you already added it and got 2 edit conflicts while trying to reply lol :P. Thanks! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 00:26, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I got some edit conflicts too lol.
 
::::No need to thank me! Whack me on my talk page with [[User:TenType/Trout]]! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:02, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::}}
 
To clarify, I linked to the German privacy policy because that is privacy policy for all wikis. It's legally dangerous to translate the privacy policy (as discussed in another topic somewhere, I think) so all wikis just link to it directly. (And no, it's not the privacy policy for Martin's company! That's in another place entirely - it's only that he uses his company address as the "responsible person" address for the Wikis.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Talk page archives ==
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I am proud to report that the Wiki upgrade is complete! [[Special:Version|We are now running MediaWiki 1.35]], which should help resolve a lot of the technical issues we've had in the past. My apologies that the upgrade took somewhat longer than planned (a little over an hour instead of the 30 minutes anticipated). The only remaining major issue is that currently foreign file repositories are broken. The reason for this is that the other Wikis are still running MediaWiki 1.28 whose database structure (at least when it comes to files) is incompatible with that of MediaWiki 1.35. The other Wikis will be upgraded at some point in the future, and as each Wiki is upgraded, the file repository will also be linked.
{{Done}}
 
  
How to archive a talk page?
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Also, we now have two big new features:
<br />{{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 09:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
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*[https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/scratch-confirmaccount-v3 Our new in-house account request system], which replaces the existing system that was only a modification of an existing system. The new system allows for discussion about requests to take place on the Wiki itself rather than in comments, and also generally is more tailored towards being integrated with Scratch. This system was developed by me, apple502j, Naleksuh and kenny2scratch with translations provided by apple502j (Japanese), ahmetlii (Turkish), smrman (French), and Mini_Kostik (Russian)
:This is what I would do:
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*[[mediawikiwiki:Extension:VisualEditor|The VisualEditor extension]], a visual editor. This is still in beta and is currently opt-in (preferences -> editing -> "Enable the visual editor"). We have made preliminary efforts to integrate it with ScratchWikiSkin, but this is still a work-in-progress. Please let us know of any specific issues you encounter.
# Copy and delete all the discussions on the talk page
 
# Create a new page called <code>User talk:Dilek/Archive 1</code>
 
# Paste the discussions there with the {{t|archive header}} template
 
# Optional: Ask an admin to protect it
 
:Hopefully I helped! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:35, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::Thanks so much!
 
::{{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 17:11, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Questions about Protection ==
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Thank you everybody for your patience, and please let us know of any issues you may encounter!<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 02:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
{{done}}
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:Great! Thank you to jvvg and everyone else who made this happen! The visual editor was enabled for me by default; was that supposed to happen? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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::the wiki is now more clean and more better now. I love the new design when editing
What exactly does it mean when you protect a page?  I know that you use the <nowiki>{{Protect}}</nowiki> template and then (if fitting), the page is "locked" (protected). My question is who can edit it after that? Does it mean that it's only editable by the page creator (owner, if on a userspace) and EW+?  Or nobody can edit it? Thanks.<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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::<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Marking a page with {{t|protect}} tells admins that the page needs to be protected. To protect a page means to "lock" a page from being edited/moved by normal users based of of their rank. There are 4 levels of protection; one of them includes, EWplus, which only lets EWs, admins, or bureaucrats edit/move the page. Another includes "Autoconfirmed", which only lets an autoconfirmed user or any rank higher than it can edit/move the page, etc. (there are no exceptions to the creator) You can look at [[Help:Protected pages]] for more info. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::For some reason, all links are now underlined. This is really annoying, and only came after the update. Could this be fixed?<scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 12:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::That's exactly the link I was searching for. Thanks! <small>Marked as done.</small><scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 06:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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::::Yep, that happened to me too. Go to preferences, then appearance, then change the link underlining option. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 13:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Well, the default should be "skin or browser default". <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::::It was for me? I didn't have to change my preferences.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Same here; "Skin or browser default" was enabled by default for me. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
== Scratch Wiki Adventure ==
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== RfC for Interface admins group ==
{{not done}}
 
  
On Wikipedia, there is an option for new Wikians to complete the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Adventure Wikipedia Adventure].  This teaches them skills and covers all the basics of using Wikipedia.  I think it'd be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Adventure of our own to teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki.  This would include editing tips, rules, etiquette, etc.  I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this idea and/or if anyone would like to work with me on creating this.<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 17:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
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With the recent update to MediaWiki 1.35, a new group has been created: [[Special:ListGroupRights#interface-admin]]. Currently, nobody has this group-- however this is the only group that is able to edit pages like [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]. While we have policies for how to request Experienced Wikian (through annual elections) and sysop (through requests on Community portal); there is no policy as to how to request Interface admin as it is a new group to Scratch Wiki. There are several possible ideas for how users might request this group.
:<b>+1</b> {{e|:D}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::I hope you're prepared to put in the amount of work involved, because The Wikipedia Adventure is really involved (I've [[wikipedia:User:Kenny2wiki|done it]] once before) and a lot of stuff has to be created for it to work. I like the idea, but I don't know if anyone here has the follow-through to actually focus on a project like this that could take a week or more to make.
 
::If you think you can commit yourself (and furthermore get others to commit themselves) you can make a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]] of it. Good luck!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Woohoo; we got bureaucratic approval!  I think we can do it (maybe not ''as'' well as the Wikipedia Adventure, but still good).  I'll start thinkin' up some basic ideas to start us off.  If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know on my [[User talk:54329|talk page]]. {{e|:)}}<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::: Isn’t this going to be a duplicate of the  [[Help:Welcome|welcome tutorial]]? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::No, the Wikipedia Adventure is really involved and more interactive. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Adding on, when I did it, it felt a lot more like a game/activity than a guidebook.  It allows the user to actually collaborate, talk to people and create/edit a page all in a sandbox setting.  It helped me learn the basics of Wikipedia far more than a guide could (probably because I was really interested in it and getting those shiny badges was nice).<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Scratch Wiki Adventure/project}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:I can help some tech stuff maybe? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::I can help too! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:33, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I want to help too, so should I add myself or should 54329 do it as he's the owner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 01:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::In reply to both of you: Thanks for offering to help out!  I'll add both of your names to the list.  For future people that wish to help: feel free to just add your name under the "Assigned" section. <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at [[User:Bigpuppy/Quests]]. {{e|:)}} It seems like this would be very different than that, though. {{cool|Good idea}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|5}}That's super cool that you made a quests page. This will be semi-similar.  Feel free to stop by if you have any ideas for it. <small>''wink wink''</small><scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Template Preview ==
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Below there are three proposals. Keep in mind that these are not necessarily contradictory, multiple or all of them could coexist. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
In the Visual Editor (or maybe in the source editor as well) Wikipedia is able to preview the templates we selected and a preview of the docs of the templates. I constantly get the templates' names wrong (and its syntax) which messes up the looks of the template. I always then have to look for the correct template which takes a lot of time. Having this plugin would help me get the correct template faster, and more efficiently. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:06, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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=== Proposal 1: Allow interface admin to be requested permanently through the community portal ===
:There's a simpler solution: Preview the page before saving it! That'll show you what the template use will look like, as well as what the rest of the page will look like.
 
:If you know the template name, go to the template documentation to learn the syntax. If you don't remember the name, go to [[:Category:Templates]] and look for it there. If you keep forgetting template names, start learning them.
 
:(So that I'm not just providing workarounds: anything to do with Visual Editor is sort of out of our technical capabilities at the moment, though I'm trying to work on that - thanks for the suggestion, but I'm afraid it's somewhat impossible for now.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:55, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Changing Title ==  
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==== Support ====
  
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==== Oppose ====
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: I think the group is too specific for this to be useful-- I also think granting permanent access puts importance and does not allow specific tasks to be vetted as they should be. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
There is this page called [[How to Make a Clicker]] but I think we have to add "Game" to the title. I don't know how to change titles, so discuss whether we should change it or not here.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:29, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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==== Comments ====
:This discussion would be more suitable on it's [[Talk:How to Make a Clicker|talk page]].
 
:But if you ever want to move a page, there is a option under the pencil dropdown called rename. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 14:55, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::Okay, thanks for informing me. I'll take care of that myself, and won't do a discussion on the talk page because I've decided this is needed.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 12:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== What category should I put this in? ==
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=== Proposal 2: Allow interface admin to be requested temporarily (for a specific purpose) through [[/Admin Requests]] ===
  
Hi, I recently created [[Project_could_not_save|a new article]] about the Project could not save alert that appears when a Scratch project fails to save. <br/>
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==== Support ====
Currently it's in the Scratch 3.0 category, but I'm not sure it should be there. Are there any better categories I could have it in? Thanks, <br/>
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: Allows users to edit the interface as needed. Seems like the best path for requesting and allows specific tasks as well as not granting permanent access as needed. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
qucchia <br/>
 
<scratchsig>Qucchia</scratchsig> 17:57, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:We have a whole slew categories! With a list found [[Special:Categories|here]], and a more organized list [[:Category:Scratch Wiki|here]]. Though I would recommend that you use the category [[:Category:Bugs]]. What do you think?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:49, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::@jakel181: Why did you link to the same page twice? The more organized list is [[:Category:Scratch Wiki]]
 
::It's not Scratch's fault if a project can't save, so I don't think Bugs is appropriate. See my topic on its talk page - if made FAQ, then it goes in the FAQ category.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Whoops! I edited my message. Replied to talk.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:09, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== What is User JS ==
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==== Oppose ====
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: "Hey can I have permissions to edit common.js? I want to [do something innocent]. - User1" "Sure, I'll grant you perms. - Admin1" "Thanks! - User1" ''User1 then proceeds to add a script that steals passwords. Admin1 quickly undos and bans User1, but the damage has been done. User1 can now login as User2 and User3.'' The exploitation possibility is too large here. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: True, but this could also easily happen through permanent requests on the community portal. I see you chose not to vote on proposal 1 at all, neither support nor oppose. Is that mistake or intentional? <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 21:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Intentional, I would've just been repeating your message. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 02:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
I was reading about what Experienced Wikians can do, and I saw a listing in the All section called <code>(editmyuserjs)</code>. Can anyone tell me what that means?
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==== Comments ====
  
<br>[[File:Mrbumppo's Icon.jpg|20px|left]] '''[[User:Mrbumppo|mrbumppo]]''' - | [[Special:Contributions/Mrbumppo|Contribs]] | [[User_talk:Mrbumppo|Talk]] 21:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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=== Proposal 3: Allow interface admin to be non-controversially granted to any user with server access ===
:It is the ability to edit user JavaScript files. Not only EWs have it; everyone does! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::To give a potentially more useful explanation, your (specific) main user JS file is [[User:Mrbumppo/common.js]], which is a JS file that will run on every Wiki page you visit. (You can create other JS files, but they won't be run unless you load them from your common.js [[User:Kenny2scratch/common.js|the way I do]].) They're an alternative to userscripts, and can also be more powerful because they have access to the [[mw:ResourceLoader/Core modules|MediaWiki JS API]].{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::OK. Thanks! <br>[[File:Mrbumppo's Icon.jpg|20px|left]] '''[[User:Mrbumppo|mrbumppo]]''' - | [[Special:Contributions/Mrbumppo|Contribs]] | [[User_talk:Mrbumppo|Talk]] 15:37, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 
<br>
 
== Thankful Thursday! November 28{{th}}, 2019 ==
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 023}}
 
  
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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==== Support ====
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: This is exactly how it used to be, and anybody with server access is trusted, and they usually won't make changes without the community's approval; they should still ask for feedback, but they should have the right. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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==== Oppose ====
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: This was initially proposed because users with server access have the ability to escalate their own permissions to begin with-- but I would still prefer they request it through the traditional method as the community should still at least be given a chance to weigh in on the attempted edits. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
The next TT is December 26{{th}}. See you then!
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==== Comments ====
  
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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== link colors ==
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Why is this page protected? ==
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::how do i change link colors in html like in siggy
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::<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 04:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:Hi there! You can use this:
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:<code><nowiki><span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span></nowiki></code>
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:to make this:
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:<span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span>
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:You can also use hex codes, for example:
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:<code><nowiki><span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span></nowiki></code>
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:makes:
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:<span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span>
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:Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. Also, just so you know (for the future), generally there is no need to indent the first post of a topic. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 04:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::You could also use {{t|Link attributes}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
  
Why is [[User:Swampert11]] protected to only allow Wikians to edit it?  Since it is a userpage, it is automatically protected, right?  This seems oddly unnecessary.<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 19:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
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== Merge Check users and Supressors user groups with bureaucrats or administrators ==
:That was probably protected before AbuseFilter was enabled and configured.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::Ah, makes sense.<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 01:54, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::To give more detail, it was actually originally protected at the "autoconfirmed" level by author request in 2014. This level was mostly symbolic - "hey, even though you can edit this, think hard about it before you do" - because all users here are autoconfirmed by virtue of having been confirmed by ConfirmAccounts.
 
:::Later, at some point in 2018, we added the Wikian protection level. Soon after, we also added AbuseFilter, and added (in March 2018) a filter that prevented New Wikians from editing others' userpages.
 
:::Even later, in July 2018, I came across that userpage, and changed its protection level from autoconfirmed to Wikian. At the time, I had forgotten about AbuseFilter, and I thought I was helping out by raising the protection level to something actually useful for them; in retrospect it now serves the same purpose as the autoconfirmed protection did before: a warning against editing, even if able.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:11, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== 3.0 version of [[Scratch User Interface]] ==
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Except for the Interface Admin user group, two other user groups were added in the new MediaWiki upgrade. They are mentioned in the title of this topic. I think those groups are unnecessary and could be merged and have their rights moved to other usergroups. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 05:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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: These were actually removed already removed in 28, but were inadvertently restored by the upgrade. However, I personally feel like they should not be removed for a number of reasons:
I made an updated version of [[Scratch User Interface (2.0)]] and I would like to see if we should move it into it's own article. You can find the draft here: [[User:Dominic305/Sandbox/Scratch User Interface (3.0)]].{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 19:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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:: 1) CheckUser and Suppressor inherently mean access to confidential information, which is usually specifically mentioned in the privacy policy. Voting in users for bureaucrat should not typically result in access to private information.  
:It isn't finished, but more can be added to it once it is out of my userspace.{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 20:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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:: 2) Users who have access to such information generally are scrutinized much more than users who do not. Suppressors need to deal with PII like real names, home addresses, and anything else like that. It is not the role of a bureaucrat to handle stuff like that.
::Looks good! You can edit [[Scratch User Interface]], remove the redirect, and add it there with {{t|expand}}. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
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:: 3) Scratch Wiki has a tendency to treat user groups like a hierarchy (i.e. Bureaucrat is better than sysop, which is better than Experienced Wikian). I think that these three new user groups help remove this bad aura.
:::yay! {{done}}{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 11:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
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:: 4) Bureaucrat does not have an age requirement, but I do not want minors to have access to the information that CheckUsers and Suppressors do.
 
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:: There are a number of other reasons as well that they should not be merged, but this is just off the top of my head. Comments about Interface admin can be directed to a couple threads above this, which I assume Jammum has seen. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 05:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
== How does cloud storing work? ==
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::: For your last statement, literally 99% of users ''are'' under the age of 18. I'm a minor, and I feel extremely offended by this comment. It just enforces a stereotype that everyone under the age of 13 is dumb. Also, it wouldn't be a fair opportunity for everyone. I know that admins are encouraged to have access to the discord server, but it is not mandatory.
 
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::: For your 2nd statement, there isn't much personal info on my (and everyone else's) account. As long as you trust (or the majority trusts) the user, you'll be fine. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey, I am making a top secret project, and I want to know how to store how many people/who have/has played the game, if there is functionality at all for it. <scratchsig>LinkMix</scratchsig> 00:18, 25 December 2019 (UTC)Link
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::::I don't see anything about 'all people under 13 are dumb' in the post above yours. Also there is definently personal info in our accounts - I wouldn't really want people to be able to see my email address.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:You should try the [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/ discussion forums] on the Scratch website. The Community Portal was made for discussing wiki-related content. {{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 18:45, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
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:::::Support to @Dominic305. There's also a legal side; we must ensure that someone is not using emails for email hacking or phishing - that's why we must give these roles to people that older 13 (for juridical capacity) and trusted users by the community. This doesn't mean that people under 13 is dumb, but that's risky - give a user that does not have juridical capacity may make unwanted legal consequences.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}}{{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 07:53, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
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:::::: After reading these, I have a proposal. There should be 2 bureaucrat ranks. One for users under the age of 13, and one for users over the age of 13. If a user is elected or appointed bureaucrat, and they happen to be underage, they would get a similar rank to normal bureaucrat but the permissions regarding the viewing and changing of personal information would be removed. This wouldn't be publicised unless the user does it themselves. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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== Thankful Thursday! December 26{{th}}, 2019 ==
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Imho nobody needs to have those perms. And just because somebody is over 13, they're automatically not going to do anything malicious with the emails? I signed up with my personal email, and I don't want anybody to know my name (I prefer anonymity). Besides, how would you know they are 13? I can easily say I'm 22, although that's a blatant lie. How would allowing any user group to view emails benefit the wiki? {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 024}}
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: First of all, the age in question would be 18 and not 13 as 13-year-olds are still minors and are not legally able to sign non-disclosure agreements (although they are able to be bound by privacy policies). Also, I think that simply having two groups based on age only (halfway) solves one of the issues at hand and does not solve any of the others. For example, one could be granted CheckUser/Supressor and not bureaucrat; or bureaucrat and not CheckUser/Suppressor. The two groups should not be merged into bureaucrat, and I think that having seperate groups for users who are over or under 13 is simply problematic, discriminatory, and does not solve the issues at all. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 
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: To VFDan, while asking for a users' birthday is sufficient for COPPA compliance, for access to confidential information, proof of legal identification is usually required, and lying about the age would immediately be found out. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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:: If the age would be 18, then let's just get rid of literally every single admin or EW! I have a hunch that almost every EW/Admin is under 18, leaving the very few 18+ admins to do all the work. Many adults have jobs to do, and that explains their activity. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 
 
The next TT is January 31{{st}}. See you then!
 
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 21:20, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 21:20, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Unused User Images Mass Deletion ==
 
{{done}}<br/>
 
Unused user images and logos have been marked for deletion on January 4th, 2020 and all such images are located [[:Category:Unused Users' Images|here]]. <br/> <small> PS: can someone remind me to mass delete these images then, thanks </small> <br/>
 
{{User:KrIsMa/Sig}}  02:52, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:So far I haven't seen any page with that particular template, so are you sure? ...<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 15:30, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::i dont know why none of the files are categorizing under that page at least for me. seems like a MW issue.
 
::[[User:VoxBot]]'s contributions have all the marked pages. {{User:KrIsMa/Sig2}}  16:08, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Hmm... that category only has one image... a Donald Trump image. And it's linked in 3 different pages. I may be misunderstanding the need for this...?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 16:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::::As per KrIsMa above, look at [[Special:Contributions/VoxBot]]. The category isn't working. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:36, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 
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The contributions page is taking forever to load for me. {{e|:/}}<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 11:49, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:the category updated, you can look there now {{User:KrIsMa/Sig2}} 21:46, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::Categories should update every few days: [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 104#We really need to fix this]] <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:51, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::^^oo thanks for the link I remember this discussion now.  
 
:::also deleted, contact me to revert a deletion. {{User:KrIsMa/Sig2}} 05:23, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== How do I remove a category from a page? ==
 
{{Done}}
 
 
 
I'm trying to remove a category from a specific page but I don't know how. Could someone please tell me? Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 15:43, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:what page? if at the bottom of the page you dont see a <code><nowiki>[[Category:blah]]</nowiki></code> then its probably transcluded from a template in which check template documentation to confirm and usually putting the parameter <code>cat=no</code> in the template will remove the auto categorization. {{User:KrIsMa/Sig2}}  16:13, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::There is an April Fools version of a FAQ page that is in the FAQ category meanwhile April Fool pages are not supposed to be a FAQ. I don't know how to remove the FAQ category from it.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 10:15, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::as described above add the cat=no parameter into the faq template like <code>{{t|faq|blahblahblah|cat&#61;no}}</code>.{{User:KrIsMa/Sig2}} 18:16, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Or just remove the template entirely so there is no category. (if there is no template just remove <code><nowiki>[[Category:FAQ]]</nowiki></code> <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 18:19, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 
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But the problem is, there is no <code><nowiki>[[Category:FAQ]]</nowiki></code> in the editing area! You can find the page here: [[Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Why do new users have to wait between comments?]]<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 11:43, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
::Yes, but there is an FAQ template. You can remove it from the category by adding "|cat=no" to the end of the template (the one that says faq and is surrounded by these: {{}} ) as another parameter. Some templates automatically put pages into a category, but you can disable that for a page by adding cat=no.<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 14:44, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Ahh, I see now! Thanks for informing me - I'll remove the category and stop the discussion.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 15:42, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Horizontal rules? ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
On the [[Privacy Policy]] article, there is a horizontal rule that separates the summarized Privacy Policy from the rest of the article. However, placing a blank line before the horizontal rule is apparently [[Scratch Wiki:Style Guide#no-hr-whitespace|bad style]]. To me, it looks weird without the extra space. I couldn't find any rules on when to use horizontal rules on the Scratch Wiki. How/when should they be used in an article (if ever)? Is this an exception to the style guide? Should the horizontal rule be replaced by a heading? Thanks! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:04, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 
:I've removed that style guideline entirely - I don't remember what I was thinking when I added it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:32, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::Okay, I guess this is done. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 14:01, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== How to remove the "need to expand tag" on the top ==
 
 
 
I don't know how to remove the '' need to expand '' tag on the top
 
<scratchsig>icmy123</scratchsig> 12:38, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:Just delete the <nowiki>{{expand}}</nowiki> template at the top of the page. However, make sure to read the talk page and other relevant pages, like the page history, to make sure that the article is sufficiently expanded before removing. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 14:06, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Why no plural redirects? ==
 
 
 
Many of the pages on the wiki already have plural redirects, and they make it a lot more convenient for users to navigate the wiki. In the search, a user who entered a different form of a word from the one with a page might not find it in the results.{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 04:19, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:They are really just too small of a difference to really care about. Even when deleting a page, there are a list of default reasons for the summary and one includes plural/grammar redirects. For now, deliberately creating plural redirects are discouraged unless there is an instance when it is not easy to find the singular version. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:12, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::{{done}}{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 00:14, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Scratch 3.0 Online Player ==
 
 
 
We have articles about the Java player (1.4) and the Flash player (2.0), as well as a discontinued experimental viewer in HTML5, but where is the article for the 3.0 online player?{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 00:40, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:{{done}} on another page
 
 
 
== Moving Templates ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
Heyo!  I was lookin' at my welcoming template and decided it'd be nice to rename it.  It is currently [[User:54329/template:Welcome]], and I'd like it to be [[User:54329/Welcome]] instead. Is there a way to make this move without messing up all of the welcome messages I've already left on talk pages?<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 01:40, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:The best option here is to copy the template and paste it in the new address so the old address still works and you can also use the new page.`{{User:CrazyBoy826/sig}} 01:45, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::I believe if you move it and leave a redirect, it will still work just fine. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 02:47, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::I would go with Groko13's option if I were you. {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:50, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Fantastic, it works!  Thanks @Groko13 (and friends). Done! <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 04:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 
 
 
== January 11 Email Disruption ==
 
 
 
{{done}}
 
  
Should we make an article about the infamous orange bar?
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== Skin problems ==
<scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 10:06, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:Yes! I already took screenshots of it on the home and profile pages. I can upload, if needed.{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 11:13, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::Yeet, seems interesting.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 11:15, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::Is any other one interested? <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 12:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::::Not worth making a whole article, considering it's just a banner for 8 hours. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 13:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Then don't make a whole article. Add it to another existing article. <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 16:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:::::}}
 
[[Scratch Timeline]] seems like the right place.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:25, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, I agree with Ken {{-}} Scratch Timeline seems nice!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 13:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 
::[[Scratch Timeline#January 8|Done!]] <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 15:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 
  
== New User Recommendation Program (Reminder) ==
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It seems that the Cologne Blue and Modern skins do not work at all. Once you switch to one of them, every page will look like [https://ibb.co/W0Gk7TQ this (Modern)] or [https://ibb.co/LJB762W this (Cologne Blue)]. If the skin is accidently set you can append <code>?useskin=vector</code> so you can revert your settings, but this should still probably be fixed ASAP so new editors don't have this problem and not know how to fix it. It may also be my iPad acting weird so if anyone wants to test it use the Preview function.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello everyone! Since I'm seeing a lot of new faces in the community portal, I just wanted to send out a reminder about our [[Scratch_Wiki:New_User_Recommendations|New User Recommendation]] program. If you nominate people through this system, we will evaluate their potential to be a Wikian and invite them to apply on your behalf. This is a great way to help us build an active community for all of us. If you have any questions or suggestions for how we should give this program more attention, please let me know. I look forward to all your comments and recommendations! <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 03:13, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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: Let me test on macOS with Chrome... <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:: Can reproduce on Chromium Microsoft Edge v85.0.564.63 on Windows 10 v1909. Must be something that was broken during the update. {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::Probably needs to be updated itself for compatibility. Looks like whatever function it did no longer exists.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 16:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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::::These were removed from core MW somewhere between 1.28 and 1.35. They have to be manually added or removed. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 17:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I have updated all skins, so you should be good now. Do be aware that we only provide official support for ScratchWikiSkin.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
  
:THANKS! I'VE WANTED TO DO THIS FOR SO LONG!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 16:28, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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== Minor Grammatical Issue in Footer ==
  
== My 1000th edit! ==
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It says "Privacy policy" instead of Privacy Policy. Should not this be fixed? <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 17:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
{{done}}<br />
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:It's same though and I think that it should not be capitalized because of it's a general title (bundled with MediaWiki).{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}}
(I'm very sorry if this is the wrong place to put this)<br>
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::It's capitalized on Scratch though <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I have finally made 1000 edits! My 1000th edit was when I removed the {{t|stub}} template from a block page and converted it to scratchblocks.{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 15:34, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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:::Should we copy everything on Scratch's footer to here? There are a lot of links there that aren't here.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:That's awesome! But again this is not the right place to put this. Your userpage might be better. Congrats though! <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 15:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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:::: This is not a "grammatical issue" or something that must be "fixed"-- capitalization like that is common, but Scratch Wiki has the idea of Capitalizing Everything Ever. For example, the default capitalization for [[Special:RecentChanges]] is <code>Recent chamges</code>, but was changed on Scratch Wiki to <code>Recent changes</code>. As for copying over the Scratch footer, a rewrite of ScratchWikiSkin into ScratchWikiSkin3 was proposed on Discord, but I do not know if that is happening. Currently, the skin uses various MediaWiki messages, usually introducing new ones, but sometimes using existing ones, which I would guess Privacy policy is one of those cases. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::Congratulations! Thank you for all of your contributions. {{smile}} <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:00, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
 

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Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Done.
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

No Never Done

See dedicated subpage
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Misdirected Request error

No Moved to Scratch Wiki:Bugs
Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I have this problem too, also on an iPad. I might have gotten it on my computer before, but I don't remember.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
11:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
It happened on my Windows desktop just today. I think the Wifi disconnected when the screen turned off, maybe something similar happened to the iPads?
Jettypumpkin07 (talk | contribs) 11:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically

No Not done
It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

TemplatesFTW already does that; or do you mean a different way of automating it? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
@ContourLines — you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, S:STYLE says not to use the external link markup (see #internal-scratch-links). You can use [[users:USERNAME]] for users, [[studios:ID]] for studios, and [[projects:ID]] for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to S:STYLE (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

How to Connect to the Physical World Is really outdated

How to Connect to the Physical World is really outdated.
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Please use internal links for links to other Scratch Wiki pages. As for this, maybe you could try to update part of it yourself?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
@Jammum Thank you for pointing out the usage of an external link. I've corrected the formatting so that @GrahamSH can see how it is done correctly (@Jammum please wait for an EW/administrator to correct if you see this elseware). @GrahamSH I would ask that you be more specific in the types of changes that we should collaborate in order to accomplish. Thanks
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 17:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Would it possible to prevent users from using external links to wiki pages in the AbuseFilter?

Question is in title. If this were to be implemented (if it even is possible), would it apply to all non-userspace or just mainspace?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 10:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

It's possible but I would never do this because sometimes there's a legitimate use for external links. Possibly an AbuseFilter warning, rather than disallow?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I am asking about disallowing external links to other Scratch Wiki pages, not all external links.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 09:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
There is sometimes a legitimate use for external links to the Scratch Wiki, e.g.: [1]
Unless you're just talking about content pages. Still, though, there are probably some special cases where disallowing it would be inconvenient. A warning might be good, though. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
The fullurl template can be used for some of those links that cannot be linked normally, so does that solve the problem?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 07:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
(Reviving this) I think if a user uses an external link to Scratch Wiki pages, the proper way to do a link to another Wiki page could be shown. The edit could either be warned or prevented.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 13:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Allowing borders in custom sigs

I think we should allow borders in custom signatures. S:CSIG states that there shouldn't be borders in custom sigs, but so many people already have it in their signatures (kenny2scratch, 12944qwerty, EIephant_Lover, Dominic305, ahmetlii, ContourLines, ajsya, etc.) As long as the border isn't needlessly large or flashy, I believe it's fine.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  03:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't recall whether the rule disallows all borders. In either case, though, this is a conflict of interest because I see you have borders in your signature too...
I agree, but then again I have borders already as well. I'd prefer if some people without borders contributed an opinion.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I think it's fine as long as it's not too large or draws any extra attention to the signature. I'm not sure how large "too large" would be though.
Groko13 Logo.png Groko13 / talk / contribs 15:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree too; I think also as long as it doesn't break lines (like text shadows) it should be allowed. But I'm biased too because I use them :P
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
16:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! August 27th, 2020

Welcome to the 31st Thankful Thursday! August 27th, 2020.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
EXAMPLE (talk | contribs)
Groko13 (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for pointing out the error in my TT post!
    Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
ContourLines (talk | contribs)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for always being kind when telling someone about a mistake and always using a smiley emoticon at the end of your posts!
    ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 08:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for showing me how to format posts correctly.
    Acebsa (talk | contribs) 20:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs)
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


The next TT is, September 25th, see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 00:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Done
<scratchsig>Jakel181 (talk | contribs)

Time for some more...images that will be featured!

No Not done

I don't know, I had to think of another title idea. :P

If you have any ideas for featured images, feel free to post them below! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I think we should feature an image of the S:CPND discussion that suggests adding a designated page for featured image suggestions. :P
I think that this image is nice, but perhaps we should update it (and the other images on Scratch Statistics).
Groko13 Logo.png Groko13 / talk / contribs 03:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm thinking this image is good enough to be featured.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
07:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
@Groko13 — yes. :P
How about File:Flag as Inappropriate.png? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
+1, but first change the file's name with a consensus.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
(Update: File:Flag as Inappropriate.png is now File:Report Project.png.) :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 17:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
File:Flag as Inappropriate.png also needs to be updated, the report button was moved.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
01:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────+1 for the report project image!
@Dominic305 Added the template to File:Report Project.png. Someone can update it if they wish.
TenType (talk | contribs) 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Updated
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  18:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

RfC about the usage of fixed with in ScratchWikiSkin2

Hello all. As you may have noticed, ScratchWikiSkin2 seems to used a fixed width (similar to Fandom's Oasis skin), as a holdover from previous skins designed to look similar to scratch.mit.edu -- however, I and several other users have noticed an increasing number of problems using fixed width. Fixed widths generally leave a large amount of the screen entirely unused, and show a small amount of the page content. It also introduces design problems that rely on fixed width and break for some users. The current, fixed width style, looks a bit like this. I am proposing to use free-styled width based on the screen resolution (a mockup something like [ https://i.imgur.com/UEd14yX.png this], ignore the blue line, that is accidental and will not be shown in the final version). This allows for a larger content space, as well as making the view more consistent across skins. Please let me know if you support or oppose this proposal.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: I would also appreciate if all could specify what skin they use when commenting? (The information is helpful, most are likely either using ScratchWikiSkin2 or Vector, but others like me primarily use Monobook).
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 01:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
I support. Fixed width looks terrible. (Reply to the addendum: I use SWS2)
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  01:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
(SWS2 user) Consistency across skins is completely irrelevant - consistency with the Scratch website is more important. We use fixed width to emulate the mainsite, which does the same. If you want free width, you can make a user CSS file for it.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
I personally am of the belief that consistency with the Scratch website is "completely irrelevant" -- this is a third party site with different needs and goals. This is where a lot of the design has been poured into as well, such as by changing the header to a different color. There does indeed appear to be support for increasing the width apart from Kenny2scratch's comment. However, custom CSS files are not relevant here as what is being discussed is not personal views (I use Monobook) but what would actually improve the skin, primarily to those logged out and browsing the wiki.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 17:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree with the above statement. I have an ebic gamer HD monitor, and SWS2 is tiny on my monitor. There are at least 500 pixels of free space. It almost looks like it was designed for a tablet (it fits perfectly on iPadOS). This is the reason why I use Vector because it takes up almost all of my monitor space. You technically could make a CSS script for it, but the majority of users here (not everyone) don't know any other programming languages and/or markup languages than Scratch.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
If you like Vector, use Vector. If you like SWS2 enough to keep using it but also want non-fixed width, then use user CSS. For those not logged in, fixed width is what they get, because that's what they'll be used to from the Scratch website. I don't consider fill width an improvement, only a matter of preference. Find me examples of people (who have no relation to you) actually asking for fill width SWS on, say, the forums, and then it'll be more worth considering.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
15:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
I support. While garnetluvcookie said it looks like it's designed for a tablet, personally I prefer setting zoom to 75% or 85% on most pages. However setting the zoom on the Wiki causes content to get squished and lots of tables (including on File: pages) to overflow into the empty space. And on my 1080p display, it looks like a site designed for computers from 2009.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Centralized Cross-Wiki Discussion

Hi everyone,

Since all of the various Scratch Wikis are hosted on the same server and part of a common community, they have a number of things in common, including outreach efforts (such as Wiki Wednesday) and technical aspects. This means that some changes (especially technical ones) will affect all wikis, not just the Wiki for one language. We usually like to seek community feedback before implementing major changes, but currently there is no centralized place to do that between all languages. As a result, changes either do not get community input at all or just get input from the community for one language (usually English, i.e. this one). We do have the Test Wiki for both new language-specific Wikis off the ground and coordinating cross-wiki stuff.

Therefore, I propose making it so anyone who has an account on any language-specific Wiki may have an account on the Test Wiki (you would still need to request it, but you can just say "I have an account on [language] Wiki") and that we host all cross-Wiki discussions there. Announcements for any major discussions would still be posted on the English Community Portal so everybody remains aware of any active discussions without having to check the Test Wiki Recent Changes.

Thoughts, everyone?
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea. Probably because I helped with writing the proposal, but good!
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 01:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I also think this is a great idea! It's important that we have a place for conveniently discussing matters that involve all the wikis, and this would provide that place. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree with this as well!
Groko13 Logo.png Groko13 / talk / contribs 01:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Handy links to the discussions on the other wikis about this:
The discussions on the other wikis link back here (since jvvg used Google Translate to translate this version into each language). I wanted to post these here so that the users reading this topic can see what the users on other wikis think about this idea. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
This idea would benefit a lot. Also, I have a question about this: would the cross-wiki discussion be separate from the Test Wiki community portal, or would they be on the same page.
I also wrote earlier in a probably now archived topic that I was not planning to join the test wiki, but if this gets implemented, I might join to take part in those discussions.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
The French Scratch Wiki now has a discussion about this here: fr:Discussion Scratch Wiki en Français:Accueil de la Communauté#Centralized Scratch Wiki Discussions :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, the discussion on the Japanese Scratch Wiki was moved to this page: ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場/一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I have another question about this idea: if this were to happen, would any language be used (I myself do not speak any language other than English fluently) or will only English be used in cross-wiki discussions?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 17:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I support, even though I already have a test wiki account :P. Also, we should consider modifying common.js so it shows "Test" rather than "Twi" in the left sidebar, but I'll add that as a proposal to the new Test Wiki CP when it's set up.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  19:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── (Level of indentation is to reply to OP) Question about the Request on Test Wiki thing; I have moved since I requested, do I have to request an account for this account, or can I use my new account?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

I support, maybe we should make a single sign on so when you have a wiki account you automatically get a test wiki account.
Acebsa (talk | contribs) 20:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

An idea

Hi everyone, I had an idea recently to make a way for non-wiki editors to suggest changes if they don't want to go through the hassle of making a wiki account. Maybe a google form or something that editors can look at and, if needed, make the change.
Acebsa (talk | contribs) 04:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Scratchers are allowed to suggest changes through the Scratch Wiki's forum topic.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 04:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
For reference, the Scratch Wiki forum topic is located here. It is also used to ask questions about the wiki as well.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
The issue with that, I found, is that few actually know about it and the non-wikian posts are just random questions about scratch in general.
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 16:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 107#Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies continuation

I am just reviving the discussion mentioned in the title above because it was archived and it did not seem to be completed. Also, on the latest Wiki Wednesday topic, no notice in the first post telling Scratchers not to spam in the topic was put in.

In the discussion linked above, I mentioned some examples of what the notice would mention as being spam. I also think posts only saying 'Hi', 'Hello' or something similar could also be mentioned as being spam.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 15:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Isn't it just common sense not to spam? It's already against the CGs, so I don't see a use for it or it's because I stalk the Announcements forum, get a first-page post, and move on. It could be useful to the 5 year-olds here that need a notice saying "Don't spam, it's sUpEr AnNoYiNg!11!!1"
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  15:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

RfC about User:Gdpr000001, User talk:Gdpr000001 and S:B redirects

As explained in the title, these are discussed on their related talk pages and User talk:Ahmetlii, but I'd like to an RfC for solving the question.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

The first two have already been discussed at Talk:Gdpr0000001#Removing_several_redirects_to_this_page to delete, neutral on where S:B is targetted.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 06:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
But also, the discussion about gdpr has a few users and only 2 active users(me and Naleksuh), this doesn't mean a consensus because it goes to a discussion between two users.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Resolved and Unresolved Templates

No Not done

There are many discussions on talk pages on the wiki that get abandoned until someone discovers them again. Wouldn't it be helpful if we had a list of all the pages with unresolved discussions that have yet to be finished? Here are some advantages to a list like this:

  • In many cases, discussions won't get abandoned without being documented as unresolved discussions somewhere.
  • Users who want discussions to contribute to can just look at the list for some unresolved discussions.
  • It would improve the wiki's organization.

I think one way we could implement a system like this would be with two templates: {{unresolved}} and {{resolved}}.

The {{unresolved}} template would mark the discussion with "unresolved." It would also add the page to the hidden category Category:Pages With Unresolved Discussions, and provide a link to the category. If the page was in the "User talk" namespace, it would not be added to the category. This is so that if users want to use the templates on their own talk pages, they can, but users looking for discussions to participate in won't have to dig through user talk pages. There would also be a cat=no option to manually prevent the page from being added to the category. I've created a draft of this template at User:Bigpuppy/Unresolved. Note that the category part is commented out right now, so that pages don't get added to a nonexistent category. If this suggestion gets accepted, it will be un-commented.

The {{resolved}} template would mark the discussion with "resolved." It would have a date parameter that would show when the discussion was resolved. Resolved discussions would not be added to any category (unless that is something we want). I've created a draft of this template at User:Bigpuppy/Resolved.

Here are answers to some questions you may have:

Don't we already have the Yes Done and No Not done templates?
Yes. However, those templates don't have all of the functionality that the {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates would provide. If we added this functionality to the Yes Done and No Not done templates, all of the discussions that were not actually marked Yes Done but still have the template on them (e.g. if the template was used in casual conversation) would be added to the category.
Would these templates replace the Yes Done and No Not done templates?
No. Those templates would still be used in casual conversation and in tandem with the {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates (e.g. "is this conversation Yes Done?"). The {{resolved}} and {{unresolved}} templates would be used more formally at the top of discussions.
Would use of these templates be required?
No. However, it would be recommended, so that the page gets added to the category of pages with unresolved discussions.
Would anyone be allowed to add these templates to any discussion, even ones they didn't create?
Yes. Similar to how the Yes Done and No Not done templates are used now, anyone would be able to mark a discussion as resolved or unresolved, even if they didn't create it.
The drafts you created look curiously similar to the {{shortcut}} template.
That's because I based part of their code on the {{shortcut}} template. :P

Kenny2scratch implemented semi-similar templates at User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks. They are similar in that they are templates located in the top-right of a discussion and show whether the discussion is done or not.

So, thoughts? Do you like the idea? Do you think it could use some improvement? Do you think we shouldn't create these templates at all? Please share your thoughts below. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

We already have S:CPND as a "unresolved" placeholder archive. I didn't see any usage of it unless marking "resolved" and "unresolved", and this gets another question: Will it be done or will not? (like 1 and 0, not includes 2 or 4). I don't think it's not important enough and @Kenny2scratch is using his permalinks to "never done" topics. I can support never done but not resolved-unresolved. Any opinions?
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
S:CPND isn't really relevant here because this wouldn't necessarily be used on the CP (but it could); the main purpose is for things like article talk pages. Could you clarify what you mean in the rest of your comment? Also, User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks includes done topics; look at the statuses on the right of each discussion. However, that was just an example. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary for article talk pages, because they don't need an archive or a job queue. It's not necessary as I think and said before.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your opinion. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
You're welcome. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Couldn't we just add the functionality to {{done}} and {{not done}}?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Please see the answer to "Don't we already have the Yes Done and No Not done templates?" in my original post. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 21:41, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

True, but you also stated that we could use cat=no as the default cat option. That way, all you'd need to do for casual conversation is add {{not done}} on the section. But on an "official" conversation, we would add cat=yes.
2 questions though: Would only {{unresolved}} add to a category? And, doesn't adding to a category add the entire page?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Oops, first question has been answered as soon as i posted lol
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

GitHub interwiki links

There seem to be a lot of GitHub links (including references) to the Scratch Wiki. Although the URL is not very long, maybe LLK github links (and maybe other github links) could have an interwiki link made for them (such as gh-llk, not 'gh' due to the presence of non-LLK github links as well).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think so. Github is an external link, even its links host Scratch repos. They may cause confusion. Plain links are a better solution.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

About updating MediaWiki

TL;DR: We're doing some tests to update MediaWiki due to some problems. Probably the wiki shut down for a few hours when it's ready to be installed. (Note: This is not an official explanation because made by me, so may be ignored)

As the developers, we're currently experiencing some problems on general extensions due to errors; and to solve them, we're thinking to upgrade our wiki to 1.35. This upgration will change a lot of things, from icons to security patch; so we're doing patches to ensure that our extensions will work successfully. When all preparations are completed, probably someone from admins will make an explanation.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Where did you get the information about the MediaWiki update here?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump

TL;DR: We're upgrading to MediaWiki Version 1.35. Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2020

Why upgrade?

Currently we're using MediaWiki 1.28, which is unsupported. This caused some problems and MW 1.28 is also incompatible with some extensions. This is why we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35, a LTS version soon to be stable.

Timeline

Time not set, but this is a big project which can take weeks.

Checklist

Extensions and Skins:

  • Yes Compatible ScratchWikiSkin2
  • Yes Compatible ScratchLogin (patch applied to fix warning)
  • Yes Replaced ConfirmAccount (new version built)
  • Yes Compatible Report (patch needs review)
  • Yes Compatible ScratchSig
  • Yes Replaced EditAccount (new version built)
  • Yes Compatible ScratchBlocks4
  • Yes Compatible RecentChangesWebhooks
  • Yes Compatible VisualEditor (but sb blocks will be only seen as string)

Bots:

  • Yes Compatible InterwikiBot
  • Yes Compatible TemplatesFTW
  •  Internal errors WikiMonitor (has problems about dependencies)

Misc:

  • Yes Compatible Special:BlockList patch - new version created
  • Yes Compatible Common.css
  •  Incompatible Common.js (sigwarn is problematic)

Discussion

This is gonna be big.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 08:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Question: Is Vector going to be compatible with it? I sometimes use SWS2 but I mostly use Vector on my laptop.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
@garnetluvcookie: Definitely because MediaWiki uses Vector as default.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
13:45, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
While we are doing this, can we add the VisualEditor? I have used it at snapwiki.miraheze.org, and it works great! I'm so excited for this update!
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 22:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
We are planning on adding the Visual Editor, however a bit of adaptation is necessary.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  01:03, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Why is the VisualEditor incompatible with ScratchWikiSkin2? As far as I know, (and I've been exploring this) the skin has all of the necessary hooks. Has anyone tried it?
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 16:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
@GrahamSH: I tried and tested. I know it has all necessary hooks, but also it cannot simulate the editing visually(because our skin is restrictive). We (as all developers in the Wikis) are looking for compatibility.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Update: VisualEditor is working currently with a few unimportant things like sb is not seen as block.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────(Remember to outdent at 6) What changes are there between 1.28 and 1.35? I know there's visual editor but I'm not sure what else.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
00:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

If Scratchblocks are to be added to the VisualEditor here, how will they be inputted?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 07:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
@Jammum: We're working on it for editing blocks visually. Probably we will use text, but also the blocks will be seen instantly on VisualEditor when someone did an edit on the Scratchblocks text.
@Dominic305: There are a lot changes, I suggest you to read all changelogs between 1.28 and 1.35.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
07:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Will the extension Popups be enabled instead of the current thing in the common.js? Popups, (the extension) is much better.
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 12:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, since Special:BlockList patch is broken, you could try using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 14:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the helping, but the developers is thinking that manually editing MediaWiki is better than use an extension for it. Anyway, thanks again! :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
14:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I am not sure where Ahmetlii got the idea above-- nobody has even suggested that, in addition to it being a bad idea for a number of technical reasons that I am sure ISW understands. There have not been any suggestions for a way of implementing Special:BlockList privacy, but I will see about some solutions.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 18:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── For VisualEditor, couldn't you do something similar to the way it's done in scratch forums?
I wish I could help but I don't know a single thing about PHP
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think so. BBS systems and wikis are two different things. btw, I'm not also good at PHP (my specialty is Python on backend)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
They are, but I wasn't saying that you use the systems. I was just saying to use the concepts of how the scratchblocks are entered into the visual space.
SAME, but I actually don't know a single thing of PHP
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually, it could look for typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
What do you mean by the tags are found? We use <scratchblocks> tags to make scratchblocks on the wiki...
In the visualeditor, we could just make a button, that will make something similar to the templates popup in the visualeditor. Then edit and it makes the block!
Edit conflict lol, but I wouldn't recommend deleting your entire post and replacing it with something else. It doesn't tell others what your previous thoughts were, (they could support you, or not) And is that typof= supposed to link anywhere?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
In the visualeditor, elements with scratchblock have typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks" in their html. But, there is no text (shown) that says <scratchblocks>
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 01:05, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
That's because <scratchblocks> get's replaced with <pre class="block"> or <code class="block"> to make scratch blocks...
I'm sorry but I don't understand your point.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I looked at the MediaWiki website and it said that the EditAccount extension is archived, which might be why it does not work on the latest MediaWiki version. Is it going to be forked or replaced?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 10:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

We're working on it. The only thing is we will not use EditUser (because it's so restrictive). Please check the GitHub repos of the International Scratch Wiki for public changelogs of the Scratch Wiki systems.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
11:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
apple502j has created an alternative to EditAccount that can be used on MediaWiki 1.35: PassEdit. The original reason we needed EditAccount was for the case when users forgot their passwords and emails were set incorrectly (or they entered their email incorrectly when requesting an account and couldn't get their password sent to them when their account was created). However, now that we have ScratchLogin, that is no longer an issue, since users can reset their password by using their Scratch account. We have tested the extension and it does work, but we are not sure if we will enable it or not.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 23:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

am i allowed to edit user messages if...

Am I allowed to edit user messages if the user calls me something I don't like to be called (only to fix what they call me)? Lots of people call me "Garnetluvcookie", which I don't like because I'm very sensitive about how the G in my name is capitalized.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

That is not an allowed usage of editing others' messages. Especially not when Garnetluvcookie is infact your username, although you may prefer something else and are allowed to make others aware of that.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
oml is this just to trigger me
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
also my scratch username is @garnetluvcookie, MediaWiki just auto capitalized the G.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
The message was not intended to "trigger" anything-- you asked a question and I answered it. While I am aware that MediaWiki does strictly capitalize username, and you are allowed to edit your signature or use displaytitles on your user (talk) page as appropriate, it would not be appropriate to chastise others for referring to what is your actual name. It also does not constitute editing another users' message as this can sometimes misrepresent what they are saying.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message. To garnetluvcookie, ask Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Just don't ask him right now, of course. He's busy with his studies. (So am I but I can't resist replying to talk messages...)
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
00:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

"Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message." This sarcastic comment is not helpful here. The point is that messages are edited when they are in violation of policies or when they are causing some other problem (for example, messages with erroneous formatting such as unclosed tags, messages adding a page to a category, or something like that. In addition, I have had others edit my messages in a way that changes their meaning before that has needed to be undone. The actors were doing so in good faith, but it was still problematic.
"Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him." So, he has a bias, meaning probably not the best ask. Instead, see the already existing well-established policy which says it should not be edited. In general, talk page messages are treated like userspace.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
garnetluvcookie, I realize that you may not like the name, but you shouldn't change another person's edit. Instead, you should reply kindly asking them to stop calling you that and to call you the names you prefer.
You also shouldn't be "triggered" against a capitilization. MediaWiki, and autocorrect, will capitilize yours, and others, names.
If they continue calling you that name (or purposely capitilize it), that's a completely different story.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
The user repeatedly keeps calling me Garnetluvcookie , and I've reported the revisions and no action has beeen taken.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Have you asked the user to stop?
I also don't think reporting the revision for this matter is appropriate.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I have asked the person to stop at least 4 times.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  17:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok... but instead of reporting their revision, ask an admin or someone. But please assume good faith in the future. It may be an accident.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I am assuming good faith. It's most likely an accident, but it's just something I'm sensitive about and annoys me... a lot.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Great! Just a suggestion: maybe include the names you don't want to be called on your userpage.
May I ask why the capital 'G' annoys you?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Sure. There are many reasons why, but the important one is that I never put capital letters in my usernames because it messes up literally my whole profile page for some reason and makes me look like someone who Talks Like This.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
i just realized i single-handedly blew up the CP 😲
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
That's a weird reason in my perspective, but you do you....
Only 4 KB left to go before archiving ;)
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Do I what?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Clarification: You must not use Report extension unless you need to contact admins urgently and privately, like sharing email or vandalism. If you "abused" Report extension, you may be blocked.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 19:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I don't want to start a flame, but I believe that was a fair report because it may seem small to you, but it affects me mentally and emotionally.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Maybe make a less strict report extension? In this case, the 'new' report button could've been used to report a user that hasn't stopped calling garnetluvcookie with a 'G'...
I'm not sure, it's just a thought....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
So there's been a lot of discussion on both sides of this matter - I thought it would be appropriate to share my two cents on the matter. To be clear, I do not wish for my reply to be hostile, demeaning, or rude, simply a summary on my thoughts.
I do not believe that it is a "weird perspective" to have a preferred way of being referred to as. Sometimes the little things can really tick people off, and I understand that. I also understand that MediaWiki autocapitalizes names, such as jvvg/Jvvg, however we should all take note of people's preferred names and call them by that rather than their MediaWiki name.
In instances where a user has been referred to incorrectly, whether intentionally or inadvertently (as has been stated before, Assume Good Faith :)), the proper course of action should be to ask the user nicely not to refer to you as that and give a correct preferred name, which I can see has been done here multiple times. I understand it may upset/annoy the user who has been incorrectly referred to, however editing a message should not happen, which I can also see has not taken place. Good job!
Reporting should also not usually be used in these circumstances - instead, CC an admin or EW into the conversation and they will (hopefully) ask the user nicely to use the correct name.
@garnetluvcookie I understand that how you are referred to affects you deeply. Please don't think you are being told off here. In fact, by asking the user nicely to not call you by a certain name, you've done the right thng. Well done. :)
I think we all need to calm down and hold off sarcastic, snidy, or mean comments. We're a community built on being welcoming and enjoyable, let's keep it that way. :)
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 20:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Small question: what do you mean by CC? Isn't that a copyright
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
@12944qwerty CC, as in, carbon copy, I assume.
If you didn't know, CC is for sending a copy to another user for their information. Primary recipients are addressed as "TO" and others as "CC". (there's also BCC, but I don't want to go into more detail) :P
TenType (talk | contribs) 20:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Oh, that makes sense lol. thanks
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  21:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

archive the CP

I'm amazed that i basically made it blow up :P (i need to reset my sig so unsigned)
-unsigned comment by garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)

 Archiving...
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes Archived
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 20:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it)

No Not done
i can't explain anything so here goes... I've seen many people getting the "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB" message. Why? These users uploaded files that are like 6 KB. 6 KB!!! That's incredibly small, at least for file sizes. I believe that the minimum file size for compression should be raised to 20 KB because that's a size that's small, but large enough that it's too big. Thoughts?
Glc.jpg ♥ garnetluvcookie ♥ | ♥ talk ♥ | ♥ contribs ♥ 00:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I think the title of this topic should actually be "Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it)" (or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?) :)
Also, could you please clarify which message you're talking about?
  • Special:Upload states "Is the image's filesize over 300KB? If it is, please compress it. TinyPNG is recommended for PNGs and JPEGs (contrary to the name, it does support JPEG)."
  • The abuse filter warning that appears when you upload a file that's too large also uses the 300KB number, stating "If your file is over 300KB, please compress it. TinyPNG is recommended for PNGs and JPGs."
  • The message that TemplatesFTW posts on users' talk pages after it compresses their files does not state any number, but rather states that "... the image size was kinda big ...".
None of the above messages mention that you should "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB," so could you please clarify which message you are talking about? If I'm missing something obvious, please point it out. Thank you! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Ahh, yes I meant increase, it's just pretty late where I am and I'm a bit sleepy. Also, the compress if it's over 2 KB thing was a joke to show how low the compressing thing is :P. I'll fix the post before I fall asleep in my chair.
Glc.jpg ♥ garnetluvcookie ♥ | ♥ talk ♥ | ♥ contribs ♥ 02:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Yeah people take compression way too seriously. Maybe at 30mb losslessly you should consider compressing, but there's no reason to compress something already only 20 kb (which is incredibly small in 2020, a lot of JavaScript files are bigger). Some images have been compressed so aggressively that the text becomes difficult to read and have needed to be reverted. The file dimensions were recently increased to 1080p a couple weeks ago, but there hasn't been much comment on file size. I personally think that an increase on file size limit would be very helpful as compression has been taken way too seriously (in most cases it has almost no benefit, although there are always exceptions). In addition, admins for some reason can upload files up to 218 times larger than non-admins, which again I think is another unnecessary line.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 02:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Exactly. All it does is decreases file size by like 4 KB. Personally I think that compression is taken wayy too seriously here.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  02:31, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Tone down the rejected messages on S:BR archives

Note Note: None of this was made to offend the people who reject bot requests. Please take no offense.

Some of the rejected summaries at S:BR rejected requests are very unwelcoming. For example, my rejected message had "User has no programming experience" which comes off extremely rude, and when I do have programming experience (if you count Scratch as a programming language... *awkward smile*). The only reason that I don't is because I'm incredibly young, not even in middle school. If I was 5 years older, I would've created a bot already. (Please don't argue this point against me, I don't want the summary bored into my head)

Also, a user may not have much experience in the language, but that doesn't mean that they are incapable of creating a bot. I know many people online (haha don't ask about IRL) that are new to the language that they chose, but they've created amazing stuff. It's enforcing the stereotype of "young children are dumb and can't do complex stuff". No matter how minor, it's still showing bad behavior as a role-model.

This doesn't mean that the admins need to rewrite every single rejected summary, they just need to be more considerate about how others will feel. extreme nostalgia and/or cringe side affects may occur in 3... 2... 1... It's like that concept that everyone was taught in early grade school, fill others buckets, don't dump them.

now my fingers hurt :P
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

As mysteriously as he arrived, NYCDOT was gone again. Hi. I checked out your BR, and it appears that Ken wrote "Proposer has no programming experience and VoxBot is the only approved typography bot." He said it like it is, you have no experience. What is he supposed to say? We aren't going to give out gold stars to people who propose that they create their own bots without any idea how to do so. Try out a some programming languages before proposing a a new Wiki Bot, and I'm sure the next time you have a BR the admins will be more than happy to review your request. As for the bot idea itself, VoxBot is an approved bot that we know works well and does its job. If you have problems with it, I'm sure KrIsMa will listen to your suggestions.
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 18:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I do have programming experience, I just only knew Scratch at the time I suggested it. Also, even though I apparently am dumb, I do know a good bit of Python.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Two things. One, no one ever said you were dumb. Not knowing how to do a certain thing doesn't make you dumb. Two, at the time of the bot request, you pretty much had no experience. While you may have some now, that doesn't change the past. If you think of a new, useful bot, you can propose one again.
NYCDOT Logo.jpg NYCDOT [ Talk Page | Contributions | Directory ] 18:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Welcome back NYCDOT, I came back recently too :P, also, remember about your indents :P
Scratch is not counted as programming knowledge. Although you could use scratch knowledge to code with other languages, knowing scratch only isn't enough. Can you make a bot with scratch coding? No, you cannot. Ken writing that you have no programming experience is completely fine. You agreed you have no programming experience outside of Scratch.
Although it may be rude for you, it is in no way meant to be rude. Ken wrote all details in his rejected message so that everyone understands why this bot got rejected and so that users don't make a bot for the same reason. There's always a reason for writing things the way it's written.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Try it yourself! (button)

My idea is that there will be some visual scratchblocks, and a button next to it. The user can click on the button, and it will bring them to scratch and remix a project with the code in it. They can then mess around with it.

You could probably use this in


12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Can anyone help me understand why the category links aren't showing up?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually, we're also working about the embed projects (we have different opinions for make it, so I cannot say a specific info.). You can see everyone in here whose want to help for the Wiki! :)
For the second question, I've fixed it. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
What? I'm confused. What do you mean by "everyone in here whose are want to help for the Wiki"? There's a lot of English mistakes.... can you please fix it so I can understand? Thanks!
OH YEAH, I forgot about putting those for some links...
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
I meant "please check public and private changelogs and also look at RC".
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
For embedding a scratch project? Can you direct me to it?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes Done
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Something's wrong

Yes Done
Something’s up, my signature turns timestamps into code boxes, without the actual code tags appearing. Is this an error with my syntax or is it an actual bug? I’m not sure, so if someone could help me with this, that would be great. I’ve been trying to get it right for weeks. An example of the issue can be found below, or at this page
78ch3ProfilePic.png78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 00:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

It's because User:78ch3/Sig has some new lines it should not. There are two line breaks between </span> and <noinclude>. Those new lines should simply be removed (so that it is </span><noinclude> on one line), and then it should be fixed.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 00:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I got up this morning to fix it, but didn’t read this, so when I came here, it turns out I did exactly what you wanted me to do.
78ch3ProfilePic.png78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 21:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes Done
78ch3ProfilePic.png78ch3: My Talk | Contribs | Main 21:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

My Banner

Yes Done

Why did my banner get removed? I needed it for my forum signature and I can't use assets on my computer because it won't load and now my signature won't work.
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom

Is this problem related to the forum? If it is, please bring up the topic there and they'll be able to help you more.
Also, remember for the future to write your texts before your signature. This means that you do REPLY/TEXT ~~~~. The four tildes are your signature. Thank you!
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:21, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
It was not deleted, it was moved to a different title that was less generic.
Also, the Scratch Wiki should not be used as an image host for Scratch or anywhere else outside the wiki. I recommend you use another hosting site such as CubeUpload to upload your banner.
and i was caught in an edit conflict
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
We're not an image host. Use extensions that upload images to Scratch assets, or look to index.php for deleted images, or host in another website that Scratch allows.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I just looked at Recent Changes. Your banner didn't get removed. It just got moved so that it had a more specific name. Banner.png could mean that it's a banner for the Mainspace Scratch wiki pages instead.
Your banner is now located here: File:Banner FollowCherryBlossom.png
I had edit conflict too lol, with both jammum and ahmetlii at the same time AND MYSELF oh gods
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
I've editted like three times and the same has happened and okay
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
The reason for doing so is because I don't use cubeupload or photobucket, I thought it had been deleted
FollowCherryBlossom (talk | contribs) 16:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
You should though. This wiki isn't meant to host images, you should use an actual hosting server. Those are some of the best hosting servers.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── "Those are some of the best hosting servers" no, those are just the ones allowed by Scratch.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

out of curiosity...

What's the 3 Revert Rule? I know we use BRD but it's referenced in many places, most notably nutshell. 

also, whatup with my message it's being weird or *looks above* close your tags!!!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The 3 revert rule is when you stop to discuss the revert if it has been reverted three times. At least that's what I remember.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think we have 3RR(Three Revert Rule) here. We instead have BRD - Bold, Revert and Discuss.
Also, indenting your post with a space makes that box thing.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,196edit 13:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Another user’s talk page organization

Another user (not mentioning who) on this wiki requires users who post on their talk page that they use level three headings for discussion headings and put their messages in a section (some of which are not at the bottom of the page) on that page, whilst all other talk pages (including user ones) are supposed to use level two headings and require all messages (including bot ones) to go at the bottom of the page. Is the user's way of organising their talk page allowed?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I know this user and I don't believe so.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't think it's allowed, but if it is right now then I think it shouldn't be. It's confusing.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
12:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

How to curate a project?

I want to know how to curate a project as I am interested to learn how to. I want to encourage my friend so thats one reason. If you got an idea how, please leave a reply so I can see. Thank you so much for everything and may god bless you abundantly! :)
Ani_coding_PRO (talk | contribs) 11:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Here ya go: Curator (front_page)#Application_and_Selection
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ani_coding_PRO: Please ask in the Questions about Scratch forum (link to the forum is on the page) for Scratch-related questions that do not involve this wiki. The wiki is not a replacement for the Scratch Forums.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Wiki down?

I got an HTTP 500 error for about 30 seconds a minute ago. Other wikis (I checked de, test, and fr) were up. Was this a server problem?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

And again...
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
This was a result of some preparatory work we're doing for the upgrade. Unfortunately there wasn't any way to do it without any disruption. However, it should be done now. You may experience some slowdown for a while, but not any more downtime.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 17:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I am experiencing some slowness (a page takes around 1 minute to load) so that explains that.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
I think the slowness has finally been resolved, so we should be good to go going forwards. I do not anticipate any remaining disruption to the Wiki until we actually perform the upgrade (we do not have a specific day planned yet, but hopefully soon).
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Yay!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  20:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Also running great for me! Did you figure out what was causing it or did it just go away by itself?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
20:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── With some help from apple502j and banana439monkey I was able to fix it. The issue was that 1. apcu (a PHP extension that greatly improves performance) wasn't enabled and 2. there was a setting keeping it from actually running even after I enabled it.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 20:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Don't understand how, but I'm still receiving a HTTP 500 error whenever I try to go to Recent Changes — It's always slow with loading, but it's never completely been broken. Is it because I have some laggy softwares on on my computer at the moment?
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 07:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Do you use a browser other than Chrome or Safari? I've tested on my Mac on both Safari and Chrome and it works fine. It also may be your internet connection spitting false errors, but I can't confirm that because I have full bars and I'm literally 10 feet away from the router thing.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
I use Google Chrome or Safari most of the times, coincidentally. I've tested on Lenovo (Windows 10) and now I'm on my father's Mac, but Recent Changes still gives a 500 error, and I don't have those laggy softwares on here.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 13:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Odd. I've tried on Chrome and Safari on my Mac and my iPad, and i get no error. Try rebooting your WiFi?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  14:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Not at the moment, since my router is in the basement and I don't really wanna go there at the moment. However, quick status update: it's still happening.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 17:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok. I'll try to replicate it and find a fix.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  17:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I am not receiving any HTTP errors but ScratchLogin is broken for me. It keeps telling me I have not commented the code even after commenting.
R4356th (talk | contribs) 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

please outdent correctly!
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  22:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
It's been more than a day since this has happened and it's still occurring. Could somebody please help? My dad went down and restarted the router today too.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Try going to Private Browsing and opening it without logging in? Maybe your entries per page is too high. Mine is set to 300 from the last 30 days.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
14:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I'll try that; I think I set my entries per page to the highest possible amount, so that could be the issue. Thanks!
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I didn't do it exactly the way you said, but I tried logging out and now I have the link for 50 entries, so I can use it for going to Recent Changes. This is definitely not a very efficient method, but because I'm an idiot I think this will work find for now. Thanks!
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome, glad I could help you fix it!
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
14:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Even better, I found a way to let it do it automatically! Thank you so much for the help!
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

make templates like trout

(yes, i am aware of S:NOTWP. i am suggesting because it's funny.) Self-explanatory. There would also be self-trout, minnow, and whale.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  14:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Trout notification}} exists, if it is something multiple people want it could be moved out of my userspace. Until then you can use it with that link. I have not heard of whale or minnow but I'm sure those could also be made if everyone wants them.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
14:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
shameless plug but not many people know about it unless you plug it everywhere :/
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  14:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
We do not allow mainspace templates that aren't intended for use in articles or on talk pages. You may make a template like that in your userspace if you want.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

is this normal?

WHAT HAPPENED.png

i think i successfully broke the wiki
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It's because you're on vector skin and zoomed in all the way....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
but i wasn't
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
We do not officially support the Vector skin (or any other non-ScratchWikiSkin skin) and cannot make any guarantees everything will work with it. Also it looks like you are either zoomed in all the way as 12944qwerty said or on a small screen. On my screen, preferences looks fine in vector.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Try disabling Dark Reader (right?) and seeing if it works.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
18:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
ahahaha you got me :P
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  13:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposing changes on the roles

Yes Done

Hi everyone. With the update, MediaWiki will give an extra feature for us: Time-limited roles. With it, we can do time-limited bots for testing, give role for a technical stuff and more. However, as the developers and admins, we will not want to enable it before getting a consensus - because it's about moderation also, undesirable actions may make different things.

Discussion

This will gonna be huge.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

To my opinion, it's a good idea - and I believe that the admins will give it only for necessary actions.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
This is not something that needs discussion or enabling -- it is always on by default. Discussion Yes Done
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 19:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Downtime coming on Tuesday

Hi everyone,

As detailed in a forum post, the Wiki will be down on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 9pm Scratch Time/1am UTC for about 30 minutes (click the link to see it in your own timezone). We will be upgrading MediaWiki to 1.35 from the current version of 1.28. See the upgrade megathread for details about the upgrade itself and what it will entail.

During the upgrade, the English Wiki will be down entirely (all pages will be replaced with a message explaining the situation) and not just read-only. Other language Wikis will continue operating as normal, though they may be a bit slower. Any discussion necessary during that time can take place on our forum topic. We have done a dry run of this upgrade and have ironed out the issues that came up, so we do not anticipate running into any problems. Still, something unexpected may always come up, so please be patient and don't panic if it takes longer than 30 minutes.

TL;DR: The Wiki will be down Tuesday at 9pm Scratch Time for about 30 minutes so we can perform software updates.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 18:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you jvvg and everyone else who has had a part in making this happen! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Great! now i like that i'm in the same time zone as Scratch
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Same here. Looking forward to the updates!
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 146 Contribs | Scratch Profile 19:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Note: You can check update time from here to convert update time to your timezone. However, I may not be able to see it; it will be at 4 am bruh
Anyway, I just wanted to thanks all users in the Wiki who made constructive edits and @Naleksuh, @Mini_Kostik, @apple502j, @Kenny2scratch, @jvvg, and other people who worked on development phase.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
@jvvg said the link before, sorry. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome (woo upgrade!), but also not awesome (boo downtime!)! I hope all goes well. 10milemoji.png
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
20:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I hope the upgrade brings exciting new features! (and the downtime will happen when I will be asleep)
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I really hope everything will go well during the upgrade :)
LankyBox01 (talk | contribs) 18:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
aaa 2 hours left! Hopefully the updates are successful again :D
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 146 Contribs | Scratch Profile 22:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
1 hour!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for VisualEditor!
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 23:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually not 1 hour, because the update will start in a hour.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
00:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
45 minutes left of 1.28.3. Let's all say bye to the glorious... uh... ok I don't know. There's really not too much important to me in the upgrade (visual editor is overrated)
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
00:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── 10 minutes left until the update starts! I'm excited! :D
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 146 Contribs | Scratch Profile 00:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Three more minutes! Thank you to everyone who has worked hard to make this happen! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 00:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The final minute for MW 1.28!
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 146 Contribs | Scratch Profile 00:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
...and, we're back! Thank you to everyone who helped make this happen! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome! Being honest though I kinda like the old MW version more. Not sure why. Also visual editor doesn't work on Scratch Wiki: namespaces?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
02:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Also canned edit summaries seem to be broken (clicking on the summary box opens the canned edit menu)
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
02:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Dominic305, I don't think visual editor is available for any talk pages. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Oh, I suppose you are right that it isn't available in project space, either. Huh. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 03:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Huh?

My browser (this page) just went pitch black for a split second. Did anyone else experience this?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

No; but for that situation, also you can hard refresh or clean your cache directly.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
As in a simple black flash, that's normally when your browsers just rendered the page again. I wouldn't worry about it.
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Loss of session data

[2]
Not exactly sure why, but when attempting to save an edit, I got a session error, but doing the edit again was fine. Has anyone else ever experienced this?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
20:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

No. It may be a problem with your iPad or Safari. I haven't used either for editing for at least 4 months, so I cannot confirm.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  20:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
This sometimes happens when your session has conflicting data. Try doing that in an incognito (Chrome) or private (Firefox) window and see what happens, since that guarantees you have a fresh session.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 21:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How do I make a fill width CSS for SWS2

As per title.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! September 24th, 2020

Welcome to the 32nd Thankful Thursday! September 24th, 2020.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for everything you've done to help the Wiki ;-;
    Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Without a doubt, you've been an amazing administrator around the wiki. Especially with patrolling these days with a lot of edits in Recent Changes, it takes a lot of work and effort. I don't know what I'd do without your help. Thank you!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for literally spamming activity on the Wiki and also for thanking millions of people, that's some gratitude and effort.
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for being so active! We appreciate editors like you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • A big thanks to you for your activity, keep going! I also really like the blur effect you incorporated in your header. :)
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
ThatOneWeirdDude (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your edits recently! I'm glad you decided to join the wiki! I hope you decide to continue! :D
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
VFDan (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your recent contributions, such as those to discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for making so many constructive edits to the wiki! It is clear that you have a talent for editing, so thank you for using that talent to help the Scratch Wiki. (Thanks also for your help in upgrading MediaWiki!) :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your massive amounts of bold contributions, we really appreciate what you are doing here. You've been a great editor!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for your constructive contributions to discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your work with Wiki Wednesday and other initiatives such as the New User Recommendations program! :D
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for being such an intuitive SW member - always finding new ideas to improve it, introducing new tactics, and being an awesome helper in general!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
4096bits (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for all your edits! Even though you just started this month, you are already proving yourself as a helpful member of our community. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your many contributions lately! Keep it up!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you so much for being consistently active and helpful. You're a wonderful editor and community member! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • All throughout the year, you have been active and cooperative. Thank you for your dedication to the wiki!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
TenType (talk | contribs)
  • I can't thank you enough for your work patrolling and reviewing account requests. You bring a friendly and upbeat attitude to the wiki, and it's been great working with you. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Petition to add an auto-thank feature for absolutely amazing people
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Am395397 (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for the interesting food for thought you posted on my talk page (for those who haven't seen it, it is here and here). :P
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
banana439monkey (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your work as an Experienced Wikian; I and others appreciate you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
  • Welcome back, and thanks for your edits recently! You are greatly appreciated as a Scratch and Scratch Wiki community member. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Ayyy, you're back and already contributing a lot! Thank you for your edits!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Leahcimto (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your edits and activity recently! I hope you are having fun editing the wiki, since your edits are greatly appreciated. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Apple502j (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for being such a large help in finding and fixing vulnerabilities, and for being a great Experienced Wikian! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for helping with those Recent Changes issues people were having, and generally thank you for all of the technical help apart from mere edits too!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
jakel181 (talk | contribs)
  • As always, thanks for running Thankful Thursday and helping the wiki in other ways, such as by reviewing account requests. Everyone here appreciates you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for being my humorous friend who trolled me using German and English! I'll never forgot that!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
ArtsyStrawberry (talk | contribs)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for everything you've done for the wiki, from the day you joined to today. I'm glad that you decided to join the wiki, since you're an integral part of our community. It's great that you've found time to help us out even during your studies, though I know you are aware that at this point in time your studies are much more important than editing the wiki. ;)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • You spend so much effort on taking care of the Wiki, it's honestly mesmerizing. It's hard to keep your focus on thing like that, and you take care of it so much and help sooo many people. You're amazing!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
Dominic305 (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for being so active recently! You are greatly appreciated as an editor and person. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for helping me with that Recent Changes bug!
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Illusion705 (talk | contribs)
jvvg (talk | contribs)
  • I'm not sure what the wiki would do without you. And I'm not just saying that to be nice; I'm really not sure what the wiki would do without you. The fact that you've been contributing impeccable edits, code, and admin work to the wiki since 2012—with little to nothing except the joy of contributing in return—is admirable. This is made even more impressive by the fact that you now have a job and are still active. I think I can speak for all editors when I say thank you. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Whenever I need help or I need some bureaucrat action, you're pretty much always available to respond. You've dedicated so much time to the wiki, I can't thank you enough for it!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for making sure the wikis have a home. Wonderful things happen here, and you make them possible. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)
Jammum (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for being so active, suggesting so many things on the Community Portal, editing many pages, and participating in so many discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for writing this comment. I feel it is very well-written, and has a calm and respectful demeanor. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


The next TT is, October 29th, see you then!

No Not done
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

wow big thanks
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Whoa! Thanks! :)
4096bits 60x60.gif 4096bits | Talk | 146 Contribs | Scratch Profile 13:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

userpage not showing /error

Yes Done

my user page [[3]] is showed as :::external link pls help me i need it to make my siggy how its done is it an error?

Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 05:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
It is because of how you are trying to link to your userpage. To have an internal link, you only need the page name, not the full URL of the page. So for your userpage this would be: [[User:Arjunking788]]. This will create a link like this: User:Arjunking788. If you want to make the link say something other than the exact page title, like this: Arjunking788 (without the "User:"), then you can do this: [[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]]. The reason it displays a "Bad title" error is because you were mixing the external and internal link formats. An external link with custom text is done like this: [https://example.com Example Link] (notice how it uses a " " (space) instead of a "|"), so you were actually linking to a page called User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788, which isn't a valid page name, instead of User:Arjunking788, which is a valid page name.
Mrcomputer1 (talk | contribs) 06:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
thank you now i could work on my siggy and i learnt to format css and html to make borders and
rounded ones


Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 11:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Good news, possibly

Sorry if this is kind of irrelevant on the CP, but I thought putting it here would be a good idea to stop my excitement-- I have a new computer now for my birthday, which probably means more quality edits around here! You can expect to see me around a lot more often than before, at least for a few days.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 17:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Awesome! Can you tell me what hardware it has?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
18:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
It's a HP Pavilion gaming computer :D I'm mainly targetting to start working on a gaming channel, and this computer also has good visual effects which I need since I use programs like Scratch or the wiki a lot.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 18:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Ooh, how many cores does it have? Mine has 6 abs cores.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  22:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
yeah that's really relevant on the cp anyway, congratulations then.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
22:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Epic, personally I'm going to build my own in a few months for $600.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,619)  Scratch  Directory 
00:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

2 problems

Number two also happens for me when I try to edit User:Bigpuppy/Status or User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox using the visual editor. Editing my userpage using the visual editor does not display the error. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I also get it on those pages, so the problem is by page. However, it also has worked for me on a number of pages without issue. I will look into this.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 03:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I was editing the Featured Studios with Visual Editor to test and got the error too...
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The problem is that VisualEditor does not work on subpages. Unfortunately this is a limitation with Apache and the design of the extension. Unfortunately there isn't really much we can do about this for now other than wait for the developers of the extension to release a patch. As for Ken's canned edit script, please contact Ken directly about that, as that is supported by him and not the Wiki as a whole.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 01:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Upgrade complete!

Hi everybody,

I am proud to report that the Wiki upgrade is complete! We are now running MediaWiki 1.35, which should help resolve a lot of the technical issues we've had in the past. My apologies that the upgrade took somewhat longer than planned (a little over an hour instead of the 30 minutes anticipated). The only remaining major issue is that currently foreign file repositories are broken. The reason for this is that the other Wikis are still running MediaWiki 1.28 whose database structure (at least when it comes to files) is incompatible with that of MediaWiki 1.35. The other Wikis will be upgraded at some point in the future, and as each Wiki is upgraded, the file repository will also be linked.

Also, we now have two big new features:

  • Our new in-house account request system, which replaces the existing system that was only a modification of an existing system. The new system allows for discussion about requests to take place on the Wiki itself rather than in comments, and also generally is more tailored towards being integrated with Scratch. This system was developed by me, apple502j, Naleksuh and kenny2scratch with translations provided by apple502j (Japanese), ahmetlii (Turkish), smrman (French), and Mini_Kostik (Russian)
  • The VisualEditor extension, a visual editor. This is still in beta and is currently opt-in (preferences -> editing -> "Enable the visual editor"). We have made preliminary efforts to integrate it with ScratchWikiSkin, but this is still a work-in-progress. Please let us know of any specific issues you encounter.

Thank you everybody for your patience, and please let us know of any issues you may encounter!
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Great! Thank you to jvvg and everyone else who made this happen! The visual editor was enabled for me by default; was that supposed to happen? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
the wiki is now more clean and more better now. I love the new design when editing

Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
For some reason, all links are now underlined. This is really annoying, and only came after the update. Could this be fixed?
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 12:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Yep, that happened to me too. Go to preferences, then appearance, then change the link underlining option.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  13:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Well, the default should be "skin or browser default".
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 19:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
It was for me? I didn't have to change my preferences....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Same here; "Skin or browser default" was enabled by default for me. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 23:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

RfC for Interface admins group

With the recent update to MediaWiki 1.35, a new group has been created: Special:ListGroupRights#interface-admin. Currently, nobody has this group-- however this is the only group that is able to edit pages like MediaWiki:Common.js. While we have policies for how to request Experienced Wikian (through annual elections) and sysop (through requests on Community portal); there is no policy as to how to request Interface admin as it is a new group to Scratch Wiki. There are several possible ideas for how users might request this group.

Below there are three proposals. Keep in mind that these are not necessarily contradictory, multiple or all of them could coexist.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Proposal 1: Allow interface admin to be requested permanently through the community portal

Support

Oppose

I think the group is too specific for this to be useful-- I also think granting permanent access puts importance and does not allow specific tasks to be vetted as they should be.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Proposal 2: Allow interface admin to be requested temporarily (for a specific purpose) through /Admin Requests

Support

Allows users to edit the interface as needed. Seems like the best path for requesting and allows specific tasks as well as not granting permanent access as needed.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

"Hey can I have permissions to edit common.js? I want to [do something innocent]. - User1" "Sure, I'll grant you perms. - Admin1" "Thanks! - User1" User1 then proceeds to add a script that steals passwords. Admin1 quickly undos and bans User1, but the damage has been done. User1 can now login as User2 and User3. The exploitation possibility is too large here.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
True, but this could also easily happen through permanent requests on the community portal. I see you chose not to vote on proposal 1 at all, neither support nor oppose. Is that mistake or intentional?
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 21:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Intentional, I would've just been repeating your message.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  02:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Proposal 3: Allow interface admin to be non-controversially granted to any user with server access

Support

This is exactly how it used to be, and anybody with server access is trusted, and they usually won't make changes without the community's approval; they should still ask for feedback, but they should have the right.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Oppose

This was initially proposed because users with server access have the ability to escalate their own permissions to begin with-- but I would still prefer they request it through the traditional method as the community should still at least be given a chance to weigh in on the attempted edits.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments

link colors

how do i change link colors in html like in siggy

Arjunking788 (talk | contribs) 04:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi there! You can use this:
<span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span>
to make this:
Hello, world!
You can also use hex codes, for example:
<span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span>
makes:
Hello, world!
Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. Also, just so you know (f