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== Bulletin Board for Not-Done Topics ==
 
== Bulletin Board for Not-Done Topics ==
 
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Here's some things that we need your help for.
 
Here's some things that we need your help for.
 
=== Archive This!!!! ===
 
* [[S:CPND#Profile Safety]] - off-topic
 
* [[S:CP#Broken_Link]] - Done
 
  
 
=== <span id="Not done">Other Topics</span> ===
 
=== <span id="Not done">Other Topics</span> ===
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== Logging server faults ==
 
== Logging server faults ==
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{{not done|Never Done}}
  
Post any errors that you encountered here, and any relevant details.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
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[[/Logging server faults|See dedicated subpage]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable" width="100%"
 
! Time
 
! Errors
 
! Details/Comments
 
<!-- Add new items below this comment, following this format:
 
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| time of incident (make it as accurate as you can)
 
| HTTP error code if it connected, browser error code if it failed. For example, "503 Service Unavailable" or "ERR_TIMED_OUT"
 
| Details of incident, like what page you were on, what you were trying to do, etc~~~~
 
(the ~~~~ is necessary, that's your signature lol)
 
-->
 
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| 8 August 2018
 
| 400 Bad Request<br/>503 Service Unavailable
 
| I was editing [[User:Kenny2scratch/common.js]], and when I clicked "save page" I hit a "400 Bad Request" error. I pressed the browser "back" button (thanks Chrome for caching form data), and clicked "save page" again, and I encountered "503 Service Unavailable". I went back again, resubmitted, and the edit went through.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 10:26 AM, 3 September 2018 (GMT)
 
| Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties
 
| I clicked on random page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 5:27 PM, 3 September 2018 (HKT)
 
| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties"
 
| I was literally attempting to edit this section. When I clicked the "edit" link, it brought me to a page that said:
 
<big>'''Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.'''</big><br/>
 
Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.<br/>
 
<small>(Cannot access the database)</small>
 
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:You can try searching Google in the meantime.<br/><small>Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.</small>
 
{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 10:07-11:20 PM, 8 September 2018 (HKT)
 
| Major outage across all wikis
 
| Multiple screenshots: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987719411204102/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.08.33_AM.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487988142184595478/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.10.22_AM.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987682132230148/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487987425193492492/Screen_Shot_2018-09-08_at_10.07.28_AM.png][https://pastebin.com/jkxGm6P4 this is the most useful error][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487988331226071060/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487989244506144775/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487990014861377536/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/487990367946407958/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/488005118428577792/unknown.png][https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331276057590104064/488005028028874754/unknown.png]
 
  
Basically the database failed to connect for a while, causing all sorts of obscure errors. Specifically, at times the required "mysql.sock" file was missing. Looking at server configuration, the MySQL server had to restart itself 11 times during this time period.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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== Tinkercad Codeblocks ==
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| 10:44 AM, 2 October 2018 (GMT)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
| Edit a user's talk page{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 09:46, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 
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| 4:40 AM, 2 January 2019 (CST)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
| Trying to create a redirect page. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 4:58 PM, 8:02 PM, 10:22 PM, 10:25 PM @ 3 January 2019 (HKT); 12:46 AM @ 4 January 2019 (HKT)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
<br/>503 Service Unavailable
 
<br/>File upload fail
 
| Frequent outages across all wikis. Most likely caused by traffic spike from 3.0.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
<!-- add new items above here -->
 
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| 9:12 AM, 4 January 2019 (CST) <br/> 9:17 AM, 4 January 2019 (EST)
 
| "Service Unavailable Error [...]<br/>503 Service Unavailable Error"<br/>"508 Resource Limit Reached"
 
| Trying to enter my talk, kept refreshing until worked, came to CP to log fault. Errors repeated until worked. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 15:02:46, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
| Fatal exception of type DBQueryError
 
| I was tring to go to the Community Portal and the website was taking a while to load and then I got the error. It went away after I refreshed the page. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 15:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 9:02 AM, 7 February 2019 (CST)
 
| 508 Resource Limit Reached
 
| Trying to go to [[How to Make a Typewriter Effect]]. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 4:50 AM, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
| HTTP error: error
 
| Clicked the ''Show preview'' button while editing [[User:TenType/Header]], when it did not preview and received the error. Clicking the button again resolved the issue. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:58, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
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| 11:00 PM, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 
| "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
 
| Literally attempted to access en.scratch-wiki.info and a few other pages, when I received this:
 
<big>'''Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.'''</big><br/>Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.<br/><small>(Cannot access the database)</small>
 
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:You can try searching via Google in the meantime.
 
:<small>Note that their indexes of our content may be out of date.</small><br/>
 
Waited for like 10 minutes while reloading and the error finally cleared.
 
<scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 07:17, 25 June 2019 (HKT)
 
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:Could we have a dedicated page to that?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 17:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 
::Nah, just here is fine.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:46, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:::{{not done}} <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 20:43, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 
::::If it comes to the point of like many bugs, maybe we can make a page so that it is easier to navigate with. <small>(archives)</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Not too many right now.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::{{not done|Never done!}} Server faults will always come. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Can we just keep things to UTC for the sake of simplicity?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:41, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}
 
It's hard to convert times off the top of one's head - if you really want to know the time in your own timezone, convert it yourself, don't ask the logger to do extra work.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 
:Do we not have [[Scratch_Wiki:Known_Bugs|this?]]{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:43, 4 May 2019 (UTC)20:42, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::Known bugs is for the php bugs (mw bugs). This is for the server fault (connection problems).
 
::Did you not get notified by ken's siggy warner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Known Bugs is for bugs that are consistently reproducible (actual bugs); this is for faults that occur, sometimes randomly, that are not reproducible or only happen once (glitches).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Articles to update for 3.0 ==
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Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
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<scratchsig>LiamSapp123</scratchsig> 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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:Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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::Maybe we should have one about Blockly <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::I agree that we should make one on Blockly. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
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::::{{not done|Further discussion needed}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
  
{{not done|Won't be done for a long time}}
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==Scratch program image==
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{{not done}} <br />
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The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
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<scratchsig> Mohie </scratchsig>
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:Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
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:Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.{{unsigned|12944qwerty}}
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::He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in [[Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents]] needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
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:::And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.
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<scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  
Hello everyone, it's already January 2nd for me, so I figure I might as well get the preparations started.
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== Scratch Wiki Adventure ==
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{{not done}}
  
=== Observations/Edit Guidance ===
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On Wikipedia, there is an option for new Wikians to complete the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Adventure Wikipedia Adventure]. This teaches them skills and covers all the basics of using Wikipedia. I think it'd be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Adventure of our own to teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki.  This would include editing tips, rules, etiquette, etc.  I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this idea and/or if anyone would like to work with me on creating this.<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 17:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Pages outdated upon 3.0 release are incredibly numerous. In most cases, one or more of the following edits can or should happen:
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:<b>+1</b> {{e|:D}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
* Parts that talk about ''3.0 features'' in ''future tense'' (e.g. "there will be a new paint editor") should be changed to use ''present tense'' (e.g. "there is a new paint editor") or ''past tense'' (e.g. "a new paint editor was introduced")
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::I hope you're prepared to put in the amount of work involved, because The Wikipedia Adventure is really involved (I've [[wikipedia:User:Kenny2wiki|done it]] once before) and a lot of stuff has to be created for it to work. I like the idea, but I don't know if anyone here has the follow-through to actually focus on a project like this that could take a week or more to make.
* Parts that talk about ''3.0 changes'' in ''future tense'' (e.g. "the editor will be moved to the right side") should be changed to use ''past tense'' (e.g. "the editor was moved to the right side")
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::If you think you can commit yourself (and furthermore get others to commit themselves) you can make a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]] of it. Good luck!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
* Parts that mention ''dates'' in ''any tense'' should have their tense ''updated'' (e.g. "the official release will be January 2019" -> "the official release was January 2019")
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:::Woohoo; we got bureaucratic approval!  I think we can do it (maybe not ''as'' well as the Wikipedia Adventure, but still good).  I'll start thinkin' up some basic ideas to start us off. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know on my [[User talk:54329|talk page]]. {{e|:)}}<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
* Parts that talk about ''2.0 features'' in ''any tense'' (e.g. "the paint editor has these features") should be changed to use ''past tense'' (e.g. "the paint editor had these features")
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:::: Isn’t this going to be a duplicate of the [[Help:Welcome|welcome tutorial]]? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
* Parts that talk about ''2.0 changes'' in ''any tense'' (e.g. "the editor was moved to the left") should all be changed to ''past tense'' if they haven't already.
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:::::No, the Wikipedia Adventure is really involved and more interactive. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
* Take this opportunity to update things that weren't changed from 1.4 days as well.
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::::::Adding on, when I did it, it felt a lot more like a game/activity than a guidebook. It allows the user to actually collaborate, talk to people and create/edit a page all in a sandbox setting. It helped me learn the basics of Wikipedia far more than a guide could (probably because I was really interested in it and getting those shiny badges was nice).<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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{{Scratch Wiki:Scratch Wiki Adventure/project}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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:I can help some tech stuff maybe? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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::I can help too! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:33, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::I want to help too, so should I add myself or should 54329 do it as he's the owner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 01:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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::::In reply to both of you: Thanks for offering to help out!  I'll add both of your names to the list. For future people that wish to help: feel free to just add your name under the "Assigned" section. <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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:::::I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at [[User:Bigpuppy/Quests]]. {{e|:)}} It seems like this would be very different than that, though. {{cool|Good idea}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|5}}That's super cool that you made a quests page. This will be semi-similar.  Feel free to stop by if you have any ideas for it. <small>''wink wink''</small><scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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We could make a scratch project and link it when people get welcome notficiations on their talk page.
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<scratchsig>ACS_Scratch_admin</scratchsig> 14:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
  
=== Progress ===
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== 2.0 Image Updating ==
  
Here is a list of articles that need to be updated (on their real versions in mainspace) upon the release of 3.0. You can probably already start updating them now. Articles marked with an asterisk (*) have updates available at [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles]]/the article title, but:
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A lot of images here need updating to 3.0. For example, the editor in the TOC, many Scratch Cats, etc. When will this be done? <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 10:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
{{warning|do not copy articles directly from their 3.0 versions!}}
 
Though in most cases the information will be correctly updated, make sure to use your own judgement as to its accuracy.
 
  
{{note|Some of the articles listed below need to be created.}}
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:I've asked an admin to update the TOC image.  Not sure about the other ones. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 16:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
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::There's not a set time when this will be done. It will be done gradually. Any time you see an image that needs updated, feel free to update it (but be sure to compress, crop, etc. the file).{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
  
Feel free to update this list yourself. Add any articles that you discover that need updates; remove articles that have been updated.
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== Why won’t this table work? ==
 
 
* Blocks
 
* Change () Effect by () (sound block)
 
* Development of Scratch 3.0
 
* Project
 
* File:Name bar.png
 
* File:Offline Editor Share Icon.png
 
 
 
=== Remember to take this opportunity to ''clean up'' articles as well as update them! ===
 
==== Fix typography or other writing issues as you come across them ====
 
We don't want to have to make a second sweep to clean up all the weird grammar from tense changes. Remember to fix the grammar and spelling of the articles ''as a whole'' while you update them.
 
 
 
==== Ask for help when you need it ====
 
If a page or redirect needs to be deleted or you need some other admin action, leave a message at [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Admin Requests]]. If you don't specifically need admin actions, you can ask anyone you think would know the answer to your question.
 
 
 
=== Here's to a good 3.0 release! ===
 
[[File:Hooray.png]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 05:40, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
:Oh I thought a bot would do it :P also are we saving old articles, for example Block Plugin(2.0)?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 12:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::I thought we were moving 2.0 to a different place and 3.0 to where 2.0 used to be. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Removed some articles from the list :)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Should [[Scratch Wiki:3.0 Articles/Front Page (2.0)]] be updated? It's so similar to [[Front Page]], that it seems redundant to create a new page.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I noticed that many of the things needed to be changed were the same in 2.0 and 3.0. What should we do? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::[[S:STYLE#no-ext-wikilinks|Please don't externally link to Wiki pages!]] And [[S:STYLE#no-link-underscores|please don't use underscores in links]].
 
:::::I'm pretty sure it's the pictures that need updating. Would you mind adding all the files on that page that need updating to the [[#Progress]] list?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:14, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Nothing has changed between 2.0 to 3.0 in Front Page, Messages, Discuss, Profiles. (Maybe more but these are all I've been to). The Project page and project editor are the only ones that have. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:01, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::The front page has changed, they've just been using the 3.0 skin for a while. Notice how the top bar is bright blue there and on project pages but a darker blue in discuss and the profiles as well as studios. Messages have also been at the 3.0 skin for a while. My stuff (and everything in it, like trash) has not been updated either. <scratchsig>EIephant_Lover</scratchsig>  02:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::::Also I think "Images of stuff in 2.0 should be updated to 3.0." should be included.  {{#ifeq:|nobr|<br/>|}}[[File:VFDan.png|20px|link=User:VFDan]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=VFDan}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border: 2px solid cyan; border-radius:1px 0 0 10px">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/VFDan|color:orange;font-weight:bold|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border: 2px solid cyan;border-radius:0px 10px 1px 0px">{{nbsp}}<span class="plainlinks">{{User:12944qwerty/CPL|link=https://scratch.mit.edu/users/VFDan|text=On Scratch&nbsp;|color:orange;font-weight:bold}}</span></span>  22:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== List of deleted pages ==
 
 
{{not done}}
 
{{not done}}
  
(Brought up here after discussion [[User talk:Jammum#About your Deleted Pages page|here]].)
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Link: [[User:Waffle_Iron_Studios/ScratchNet shop page]]<scratchsig>Waffle_Iron_Studios</scratchsig> 21:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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: I think it's because the table does not have any line-breaks. See [[Help:Tables|this]]. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
  
So, there are currently four lists of deleted pages on this wiki:
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== Suggestion: Mention that the Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in German ==
* [[User:Mathfreak231/Deleted pages recovery|Mathfreak231's]], which is the most comprehensive but is no longer updated in his absence
 
* [[User:kenny2scratch/Deleted pages recovery|Mine]], which is a duplicate of Mathfreak's but hopefully more organized
 
* [[User:Jammum/Deleted Pages|Jammum's Deleted Pages]], which are more recent than either of the above
 
* [[User:Jammum/All Pages That Have Been Deleted|Jammum's All Deleted Pages]], which seems to be more recent and extensive but has the least information (it's only a list of titles)
 
  
I suggest (from jakel181's idea) that these become a single page in projectspace, something like "Scratch Wiki:Deleted Pages". This could be a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]].
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Currently, the links under the 'Legal' category do not are not mentioned that they are in German. I suggest that the footer mentions that the content under the Legal category are in German.  
  
;Advantages
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Without mentioning that, some people might be confused that they are in German, and not English. They also [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 105#Privacy Policy Article|cannot be translated into English]] without it being inaccurate. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
* More organized
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:Why would they be German?<scratchsig>OurPrincess</scratchsig> 16:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
* One place for all
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::The Wiki servers are located in Germany and therefore follow the rules/regulations of Germany. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
* Can be updated by anyone
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:::Would you be amenable to using the [https://example.com external link marker] on them instead? Putting "(German)" on a footer link seems unorthodox...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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::::The servers are German because they are owned by Martin Wollenweber, who lives in Germany.<scratchsig>OurPrincess</scratchsig> 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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::::: Maybe the Privacy Policy and the Disclaimers can be individually labelled that they are in German, or is that still 'unorthodox'? They could have 'in German' put in brackets after them. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
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::::::I think it's fine the way it is, but it should get translated for other wikis so we know what happens to our data.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 17:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
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Did you read the OP? They can't be translated accurately.
  
;Disadvantages
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Having a notice at the top of the actual pages saying something similar to what I say on my userpage (the "many other wikis link here" thing), ideally translated into everything, would also be fine for me - I'm only opposed to changing the footer.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
:''None I can think of off the top of my head''
 
  
Thoughts? Shall we do it?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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== Scratch Wiki YT Channel ==
:I think we should! I like the style yours is in, snice it is more oragized, and a bit easier to find pages, so we should base the page off that.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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Hi everyone! I wanted to put a little feeler out there to see who was interested in participating/creating content for a possible Scratch Wiki YT Channel. We would publish wiki-like content within YT's video format. We could then link to this content from within the Wiki. You could for example create a Scratch tutorial, run-through a certain block or feature, or discuss a recent community venture you participated in. If y'all are interested in seeing this idea come to fruition, please comment to express your interest and volunteer yourself for content creation. Thanks! <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
::+1 :) {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 13:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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:I think that this would compete with the [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal#Scratch Wiki Adventure|Scratch Wiki Adventure]] though... {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 15:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
::: Just to remind everyone, I have not finished my "All Deleted Pages" page at the time of posting this message. It will be contributed to frequently. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 14:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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::I don't really see much benefit in it. Why would we need this? We already have Wiki Wednesday.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
::::To Kenny2Scratch: This will be a great idea, as it will make it more accessible to people. If this get made, maybe put it could be put in the "Navigation" box on the side?  <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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:::Well we would be able to produce varied content aside from Wiki Wednesday. People have also suggested tutorials for S:WELCOME to me privately. We'd be modeling it in some regards to Wikipedia's YT Channel. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 16:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
::::: I think the page will not be notable enough to go there. <scratchsig>Jammum</scratchsig> 07:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::I'm interested! But... What do you mean by "volunteer yourself for content creation"? Is there a specific page to apply? {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}}
::::::I don't think it goes in the sidebar, it's not that important; however, come to think of it, this is a nice candidate for a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]]. Thinkest you that this is a suitable mission to embark upon?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:24, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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:::::I'm interested too {{-}} I'd like to help make a few videos. I already have a YouTube channel but I can't share it because of my real name and face reveal. I'm just ten years, but I don't think that will affect anything as I enjoy talking on-camera and a lot of people tell me I have a talent for vlogging / gaming (not to brag though). I also have a Scratch tutorial series, so I already have some experience with it.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}I say aye.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 01:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
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::::::I am interested, too! I have a channel already. How do I start? <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 19:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
:@Kenny2scratch, let's do that!{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:: Are we going to do this? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:11, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Okay, I just created a page called [[User:TenType/Deleted Files]], was scrolling through the Community Portal, and found this discussion. {{e|:/}} <br/> Maybe this page could contain pages only and not files? (I really spent a lot of time and effort onto my deleted files page) Anyways, still waiting for a response on whether or not this project will be started. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:53, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== “Secret” Compliments  ==
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== Suggestion: Add a "sandbox" option in the user pull-down on the header ==
 
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{{not done}}
We all know Compliment Tuesday. To suggest compliments we have the [[S:CT]] page. It’s a great way to compliment people, but could be even better.
 
 
 
Right now you suggest a compliment, everyone who wants to including the person who was complimented can see it and get posted on CP.
 
  
So I thought that’s good but you do let look forward to the CP post because you know if you have been complimented.
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My suggestion is above {{-}} that's pretty much it. When you click on your username, you would see your username, "Talk," "Preferences," "Watchlist," "Contributions," "Log out," and "Sandbox" thrown somewhere in there. "Sandbox" would direct you to your personal sandbox, not the public sandbox. If the user hasn't created their sandbox, it would direct them to the page to create it.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
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:Sounds like a cool feature. +1! {{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 17:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
I propose proposing compliments on a way no-one else can see apart from the organizer(s). This can be achieved by a Google Form.
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::I think it's a good idea, but I think we can create a disambiguation page rather than direct to the personal sandbox. However, +1!<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 18:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
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:::Wikipedia has this, but this is actually harder to implement than you might think - the skin does not hardcode the user dropdown links, they are generated by MediaWiki itself. Adding the sandbox link would require a hook somewhere in LocalSettings.php and that might mess up some rhythms. There could be a link in the For Editors box, though! [[Special:MyPage/Sandbox]] is a handy link. What say y'all?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 18:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Proposed new method:
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::::Ah, I see. I think that's a good alternative then! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 
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:::::Good idea! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 18:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
* Users suggest compliments on Google Form entering all details as they would before
 
 
 
* End of the month (organizer)s have admin access to the form and gather responses
 
 
 
* Posted in CP
 
 
 
This way:
 
 
 
* Users will look forward to see compliments received and not seeing anytime of the month
 
 
 
* People will be more encouraged by the compliments
 
 
 
Ideas?{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 07:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:There are pros and cons to this... on one hand, people will be less self-conscious about complimenting if nobody knows it's them, but on the other hand some compliments either don't make sense if you don't know who it is or imply on their own who the person complimenting is. I do like the idea of looking forward to compliments rather than seeing them immediately, but the con to that is people might be disappointed if CT doesn't come out at the end of the month due to not enough people complimenting...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::I'm on board with this. I still would like to keep the non-secret compliments as a second option if we go about this. The main problem would be moderation. With anonymity, there is more of a chance that something mean would come out of it. An unwritten policy of CT is, if I see a disrespectful "compliment" it won't be included. If we were to use a google forum, we would have to have some way of knowing who compliment who, we can't just ask for a username since we can't verify it wasn't an impostor. Any ideas how to go about this?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 11:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Perhaps (again) an extension? Special:ComplimentTuesday sounds like an interesting idea...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:50, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Guess who forked your report extension ;) (or possibly Special:ThankfulThursday :P)<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 12:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::+1 for a Special: page where compliments can be submitted and a way of suggesting public compliments{{User:Asqwde/sig}} 16:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
{{outdent|5}}
 
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But also,Scratch and Scratch Wiki are growing up with "Imagine, Program, Share".[[Frequently Rejected Suggestions#Private Messaging|Here]]'s an rejected example suggestion:{{quote|Private Messaging
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+1!{{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
When communication is public, people are more likely to be respectful because they know that everyone can see it. However, when posting PMs, people know that only the intended recipient can see it, so do not think as much before posting. Even if a "Flag PM" function is implemented, the Scratch Team currently does not have the resources to moderate it, because of the reason said before there would be a lot of inappropriate/disrespectful messages.|Scratch Team}} Also,we can see other's compliments(Google Forms give this in finish of the form,right?).
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:Ken, any update on this? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Since 3 months, there's not an update; so [[User:Ahmetlii/common.js|I created my script for add Sandbox option]] but it's only working for Vector skin.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 09:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
  
Shortly:
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== Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies ==
  
*It's a bad idea because...
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When Wiki Wednesdays are mentioned on the Scratch News on the homepage, some users' replies contain spam such as blockspam.
  
:*It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages
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I suggest that at the end of each Wiki Wednesday initial post, it should say that when replying, users should not spam. It could also give the definition of what is considered spam (such as offtopic blocks, gibberish, emoji testing, etc.), so users will less likely be confused about what spam is (other than the food product of the same name), that spam could be reported, and that block testing and project advertisements go in the Forum blocks testing topic and the Show and Tell forum respectively. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 09:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
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:It's a good idea - and I agree with you, but I think that's not a exact solution manner. As an example, lots of announcements and sticky topics (Wiki Forum Community Portal) are getting blockspam; some people, like me, TenType, SausageMcSausage or ST, warn them, but I see a new spam everyday when I check Wiki Forum Community Portal. Also, nobody don't write aggressive posts for warn users; for example, don't write "DON'T MAKE BLOCKSPAM OR SOMEBODY MAY WARN YOU(ME OR ANYBODY ELSE)". I think WW could include a link [[topic:387618|to here.]]{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 11:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
  
:*I have some questions about Google Forms security
 
  
:*Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)
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== Discussion Invitation System ==
 
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{{done}}
:*And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging
 
  
:*If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work
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Hi folks! On the topic of reviving [[S:CPND]], I have another suggestion. My previous suggestion (collapsing discussions) got implemented, but it is a very minor change. As someone who usually updates the featured images, I was thinking about a discussion that I personally would like people to participate in, [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]]. That specific discussion has been going on since August 2018 and it hasn't yet come to a conclusion.
  
:*Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)
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I think I've come up with something that may help solve the Not Done problem. Well, I didn't exactly come up with it, because I got the idea from Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:WP:Feedback request service|Feedback request service]]. As I understand it, with Wikipedia's Feedback request service, when a discussion needs an outside editor to provide comment, a bot comments on the talk page of someone who has added their name to the list. I'd like to make it clear: '''my suggestion would not require a bot.''' Wikipedia needs stuff like that because it's giant.
  
<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 20:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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Basically, when a discussion is going stale or needs a few more editors to provide feedback, a proactive editor can comment the Discussion Invitation template (currently at [[User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/Template]]) on a few user talk pages of people who have signed up to be invited to discussions.
  
::I would generally discourage the use of google forms for this kind of project given that you are seeking input from the entire community. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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Here are some examples of when this would be useful:
:::I also disagree with using Google Forms because fake or anonymous users could abuse the feature. However, maybe Special:ComplimentTuesday could be the way to go... <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:53, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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* For asking editors to participate in a [[S:CP]] or [[S:CPND]] discussion that has gone inactive or that has a deadline
::::Google Forms are out by multiple Community and Wiki G/guidelines. A special page is the way to go. @Ahmetlii: If we're using a special page, problems solved include:
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* For asking editors their opinion on a discussion on the talk page of an article that only a few people are participating in
::::* <s>It means a lot of disrespectful or other bad messages</s>
 
:::::Compliments would be reviewed before being shown. Inappropriate messages are vandalism and would be treated as such. {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>I have some questions about Google Forms security</s>
 
:::::No Google Forms. {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>Also, we'll need a lot code(if we'll use the Wiki for this)</s>
 
:::::Not a problem for me, it'll be fun! {{e|:)}} {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>And,we and Scratch Team have some notes about private messaging</s>
 
:::::Compliments are shown to everyone - only who submitted the compliment is hidden. Not private messaging. {{done|Solved}}
 
::::* <s>If we'll try to check all of messages,it'll mean more time and more work</s>
 
:::::Not very much more, and @jakel181 has been doing a great job on CT so far, I'm sure he wouldn't mind looking through the compliments before he posts them.
 
::::* <s>Anonymous and fake users have a big problem(in Google Forms)</s>
 
:::::Not with a special page! {{done|Solved}}
 
::::I think a special page is definitely the way to go. I believe the following are the only questions to really consider:
 
::::* Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted?
 
::::** If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate?
 
::::* Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
 
::::** If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
 
::::This concludes my post.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I think we should allow EW/Admins/Bureaucrats see in some fashion. (Maybe not all but a couple)<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 12:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|5}}
 
* Do we actually want compliments to be hidden from everyone (except the organizer and the submitter) until they are posted? -Yes, they are. (I don't need it :P)
 
** If so, who do we want to review the compliments so that nothing is inappropriate? -It's named as "be shy" :)
 
* Do we actually want to allow anonymous compliments? (Note: This and the previous question are two separate questions - the answer to one does not imply any answer to the other.)
 
-No, we don't because S:JOIN-if somebody want to send a message, they must join and login to the Wiki.
 
** If we do want to allow anonymous compliments, we will have to still also allow onymous compliments - people can just include their names in their compliments.
 
-They can use Scratch profiles to send a message - it's only a Wiki about Scratch.
 
<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 17:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{not done|No clear resolution}}{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 22:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Welcome templates ==
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I think this will help with more than reviving [[S:CPND]], though {{-}} it will help on ''any'' discussion that isn't getting the attention it deserves.
{{not done|Limit not yet negotiated}}
 
  
A lot of people have their own "welcome" templates that they post on new users' talk pages. This is a great idea, because new users can get to know new people and, of course, feel welcomed. However, the welcoming effect starts diminishing when things like this happen:
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I've decided to start this program up in my userspace, though if people like it maybe it can be moved to project space (the Scratch Wiki namespace). The list of people who have signed up is currently at [[User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/List]] (as of writing, only me). If you'd like to sign up, please do!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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:I think this is a great idea! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 19:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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::It could be a good idea, but I'm not sure that it's really matter. As you said before, Wikipedia is a big place and a lot of discussion creators in [[S:CPND]] is inactive/quitted Scratch. Also, I think a lot of the discussions are not necessary. For example, are you think "Secret Compliments" important today? Also, asqwde has been inactive since 8 months.
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::I'm supporting main idea, also it can be helpful for usual stuffs, but also nobody cannot use it for old Not Done topics. Additionally, I suggest another idea; Scratch Wiki could have multiple portals. For example; Scratch Modifications portal, Extensions portal, etc. Maybe not for now, but it could be helpful when discussions are too much.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::Well, I don't think that it matters that some people in [[S:CPND]] are inactive; that doesn't mean their discussions aren't relevant anymore. As for the discussions that you don't think are relevant anymore, like "Secret Compliments," you should discuss that in the appropriate section at [[S:CPND]] and make sure people agree with you. You could get people to add to the discussion on whether they are relevant anymore using the system I suggested {{e|;)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::I just used the system on the talk pages of the two people (other than me) who signed up:
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::::* [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie#Invitation to discussion]]
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::::* [[User talk:Groko13#Invitation to discussion]]
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::::Keep in mind that in the future, people would not message everyone on the list (because hopefully lots of people sign up!), but rather message the number of people that they need.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I'm happy to see people using the system already! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Also, I added {{t|open userpage}} to all of the Discussion Invitation System pages except the template, so feel free to improve any of them!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Oh yes, I remember when I first suggested that. I was thinking about it recently actually - what a coincidence!
  
[[File:That's a lot of welcomes.PNG]]
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I would like to add my name to the list, however one quick thing: why do we link to our Scratch profiles and not our Wiki profiles, or perhaps our Wiki talk page? Surely linking to our userpage would make a lot more sense, unless there is a specific reasoning for not doing this that I am not understanding.
  
10 different people jumping on the new user is too much - it's not welcoming, it's downright scary! How would you feel if you created an account somewhere and you were confronted with a wall of "welcome"s?
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In any case, I think this is a fantastic idea. Glad to see it's working already! Thanks for taking this on, bigpuppy. :){{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 15:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 
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:Where do people link to their Scratch profiles? On the list page, we are using the {{t|user}} template, which adds a link to the user's userpage and talk page. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
To counteract this, I don't propose forbidding welcomes entirely; what I instead think should be the case is that we have a limit on how many welcome messages can be on a talk page - probably around 4-5 at the most. That does mean it turns into a race as to who can get their message on first, but that can't be helped - if you want to get your message in, ya gotta be active at the right time.
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::Wait, nevermind. I saw <code><nowiki>{{users}}</nowiki></code> in the code, and mistook it to be the new <code><nowiki>[[users:]]</nowiki></code> interwiki, which points to their Scratch profile. Whoops!{{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 23:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 
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I don't think there's much room for debate on the necessity of the limit, but what can be bargained is the limit itself - how many topics do you think is too many?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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How did I completely miss this? I've moved everything into official namespaces and cleaned up stuff a bit. Thanks for proposing!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 
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:Thank you! This CP topic is now {{done}}. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:08, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
:I think that a limit of 4-5 is a great idea {{E|:)}} I still remember when I started the messages really confused me. Also, I'd say that if you post a welcome message, it should have a variation of the simple title "Welcome!". I tried to make mine a bit different. I like the "All aboard!" one. Maybe we could say if there are more than eight messages already, really don't put one, but if there are 4-5 try not to put your template, but a personal message is okay.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 21:06, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
::I see this level of enthusiasm as very exciting. While it may be a little intimidating, I look at it more as a great way to integrate yourself with the community immediately and meeting many of the people who you will be working with side-by-side. Nonetheless, I would love to see more data on this and interview some people on their experiences regarding this to see if it does have a negative impact. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 00:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::As we are bargaining for this, I was just wondering what we'll be doing now. Should we be limiting welcomes now? Or do we continue welcoming as much as we can {{e|:D}}? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::While the rule is still merely proposed, it is not yet a rule. Welcomes are unlimited until this is put in force.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::[[User talk:StampDanFan|It has happened again...]]{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 20:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}
 
maybe a way to avoid this is to make the section named a bit different?? <scratchsig>Yaov_1991</scratchsig> 21:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:Can't we make a User_talk:ACCEPTEDUSER/Welcomes page?  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 
::That doesn't actually cause a ping tho...{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:10, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::We could make it ping though if there is someone willing to mess with the code...{{User:Smileycreations15/sig}} 11:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I was just scrolling through the CP, and this caught my eye. Great idea, I definitely think this needs to be considered. I understand that people are just trying to be kind by sending the welcome messages, but it would almost be like a horror film for the person who owns the account. I think 4-5 welcome templates are enough, but I think there needs to be a break between even those. Getting 4-5 welcomes in a couple of seconds is also not the best of ideas.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:55, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::We should ask new users for their opinion on this right after they get the welcomes. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:06, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Block Problems ==
 
{{Not done|Not done, as blocks are still unfinished or broken}}<br />
 
Today I started to finish up the script for [[How to Evaluate an Expression]], and things got out of hand. When I first completed it, I realized I did some of the block loops wrong, and it like wrapped around some things that I didn't want to wrap around, while I also couldn't get this one if then else block to wrap around something else {{-}} it was all a mess. I cleaned some of it up, but I am afraid I'll make it worse and I already spent more than an hour on it. Also, I have to save it each time I want to check if it is correct, since for some reason the blocks won't load up in ''Show preview'' mode (it appears in code) but loads when the changes are saved. Can somebody please fix up the script to match the one in post #19 in [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/292813/ this forum topic]? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:The blocks still don't match the one in the post, I tried again on my sandbox and it still does not cut out. Anyone who is an expert at doing this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::You can use [https://scratchblocks.github.io this page].<scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 07:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Curse Garamol56 for not using forum scratchblocks!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
::::@Ahmetlii That website may come in handy...
 
::::@kenny2scratch Yes, it is so exhausting to convert it into proper scratchblocks! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== TinyPic is closing down ==
 
 
 
I'm not sure how many pages this messes up but you should all know that TinyPic is closing down :({{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 19:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:Dang, could you name some examples of pages that use TinyPic? {{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 23:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::In case you don't know: Scratch Wiki has its own image hosting (Wiki server) and does not use TinyPic(or cubeupload or anything else) at all. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 03:11, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:::@1a3c5e7g9i I forget the names right now, but theres one about image hosting I know for sure.
 
:::@Apple502j I know, but there are informational pages that will be incorrect.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 14:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::It looks like {{user|Jammum|name}} updated [[Image Hosting]]: see [[Special:Redirect/revision/231829]]. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 14:58, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::: Oh my god I know (but I use cubeupload). So what should we do? <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::: Simply put, update the pages that mention Tinypic to say that it's closing down (even though we should've already done that). {{User:1a3c5e7g9i/Signature}} 19:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}{{done|Problem Solved!}}{{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 22:34, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== AF Link Proposal ==
 
 
 
For April Fools pages, could we convert regular links in the page to the April Fools one instead, if possible?
 
 
 
But we shouldn't go on a massive editing spree for this - only change the links if we stumble upon them or add new ones. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:17, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:I think that depends on the person that creates the page, but I think that April Fools pages aren't that huge of a deal to change every link, even if stumbled upon. Also, most pages don't have an alternate April Fools page to begin with. <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 05:48, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::Support.
 
::{{User:Smileycreations15/sig}} 12:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:::@Jedibrine: Sorry, by "stumbling upon", I meant when we add/modify the contents of an AF page. I don't want too many edits of just converting links.
 
:::Also, this will make AF pages more lively and humorous in a way. I myself have been disappointed in the past clicking on a link on an AF page, but found out that it led to a regular article.
 
:::And even if there isn't an alternate AF page, so what? We could just add the regular link for now, and then when it gets created, we could change it. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I thought that on April Fools Day, then if you clicked a link, it would lead to the April Fools version of that page if there is one...{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 22:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::No no, that's not what I meant. What I meant was when you click on a link that's on an AF page, it leads you to the regular page, and my proposal is that we should change those links (once again on AF pages) to lead to the AF version of the link, if possible. Even if this could be rendered useless on April 1{{th|1}}, it still would be more humorous for users who browse AF pages. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:48, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
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I don't think this is a good idea. What benefit will this bring? This change would mean that on AF Day, every ''mainspace'' page would be linking to the AF subpage instead of linking to other real pages. Then any normal user would suddenly be taken to some cryptic page titled "Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Ignatious Q. Higgenbotham" and not know what they were looking at. Plus, the {{t|April Fools}} template (which is on every ''mainspace'' page with an AF version) shows a header saying "this is a joke, scroll to the bottom for the real article"; the {{t|AF}} template (which is on the ''AF versions'' of mainspace pages) does not. Linking to AF versions from mainspace would remove the ability for educators, New Scratchers, and other members of our audience to get some serious help that they just happened to need on AF Day.
 
 
 
That's my two cents.
 
 
 
<small>BTW, @TenType, there's a shortcut for {{t|th}} for 1, it's {{t|st}}. There are also {{t|nd}} and {{t|rd}} for convenience.</small>{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:17, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:I don't think everyone knows what I'm saying. Only <u>on</u> AF pages should we link to other AF pages; why would we link AF pages from mainspace? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:04, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::Dude. AF pages get ''transcluded into mainspace on AF Day''. The links remain unchanged upon transclusion.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Welp, yes, but this would also benefit users who browse AF pages when it's not AF day. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 17:51, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I don't really know that many people that browse AF pages outside of AF day, and there are ways for people to access AF pages if they really need to. If people want to reach a page on AF day, all they will find are AF pages. <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 04:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::::<!-- this indentation is intentional -->I've made a change to the {{t|April Fools}} template (the one that goes on mainspace) so that it shows a little icon in the top right that links to the AF version. That should make things easier for the minority that browses AF pages, which substitutes the only real benefit of this; therefore I shall consider this {{done}}.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:26, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Thankful Thursday! August 1{{th}}, 2019 ==
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 021}}
 
 
 
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
 
 
 
The next TT is August 29{{th}}. See you then!
 
 
 
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::Isn't that supposed to be August 1{{st}}? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 17:54, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Split Help talk:Welcome/4 ==
 
 
 
[[Help talk:Welcome/4]] is used by new Wikians to test out using talk pages. But, there is also a real discussion on the page named 'Blanking' (although before the actual discussion, there are a few talk page tests).
 
 
 
I suggest that all test discussions should be moved to its own talk page (that is a sub-page of the real talk page), which could be named something like 'Help talk:Welcome/4/Testing'. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 
: They really should! <scratchsig>God286</scratchsig> 06:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::I disagree - besides posting on talk pages, New Wikians should also learn how to get to them. If they have to additionally navigate to a subpage, they might be misimpressioned that they have to do that with all talk pages. At the most maybe indicate at the top of the page that ''real'' discussions should go in a subpage.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:46, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== New Featured Images ==
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== When are we planning to implement [[User:jvvg/sandbox|the new Flawed Article]]? ==
 
{{not done}}
 
{{not done}}
  
Hey! Soon, on August 12th, it'll have been a month since we updated the Featured Images yet. This time, I don't want to do them late like I have in the past, so does anyone have any suggestions? {{e|:D}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:56, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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Per title.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
:A photo of somewhere tropical. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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:Maybe you should ask jvvg. Has there been a discussion about it elsewhere? I'm not sure if the article is finished yet.<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
::I don't understand - is this a joke (if it isn't, I'm not trying to offend; simply trying to understand)? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:32, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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::I think it is done you should ask jvvg he made it  <scratchsig>Godslamb</scratchsig> 14:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
:::It is. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 13:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::: The _:))_ emoji. Looks nice and funny.<scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:23, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::You mean literally feature the {{e|:)}} picture? I guess that works LOL
 
:::::I'd suggest [[:File:Statistic Rollover Info.png]] because it looks cool and has a random interesting piece of info :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:42, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::It's been August 12th, does that mean this discussion is now for the next featured image change? Or can this be archived?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-archive TIME! ==
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== More Featured Images! ==
 
 
FYI These CPND topics are to be archived:
 
* [[S:CPND#Wiki Wednesday suggestion link should be on the left?]]
 
* [[S:CPND#Why doesn't the "CodeMirror" thing always work?]]
 
* [[S:CPND#Assets Page]]
 
* [[S:CPND#Community Blocks Page in my Userspace]]
 
* [[S:CPND#VisualEditor extension]]
 
 
 
And don't forget [[S:CPSYS]]! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 01:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:Wow, a lot of pages in the Not Done section can be archived! {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:26, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done}}!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Minor Change to S:CONTRIB ==
 
  
 
{{done}}
 
{{done}}
  
[[S:CONTRIB]] says "'''Creating an email is encouraged''' if you haven't already. You will need it if you forget your password.", but the passwords are emailed now, I believe - so I believe it should say something like "'''Creating an email is encouraged''' if you haven't already. You will need it to receive your password." What does everyone think? Or am I missing something? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:33, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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The featured images were just updated, so does anyone have any new suggestions for next time? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
:It's required. <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:36, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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:Here's two images: [[:File:Transparent_Stamps.png|1]] and [[:File:Gobo_Keychain.jpg|2]]. I don't know if these have been used in the past or not. Maybe we should start keeping a list. Is there any rule against reusing images? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
::Yeah, so maybe we should put "Creating an email is required" instead. {{E|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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::If images have the {{t|featured}} template on them, they have been used before. That said, there may have been some times where we forgot to add that template.
:::I have no objections.  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 16:41, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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::As for whether there's a rule against re-using images, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing the {{t|featured}} template doesn't support such a case currently.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
::::Shouldn't be encouraged since it's mandatory like Banana said. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::Okay, thanks! Before I thought that the template was only for WW articles. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 18:03, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::Right. {{e|:)}} I'll just change it and if anyone realizes that it shouldn't have been done, we could change it back. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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::::Since no one else gave any suggestions, here's three more: [[:File:Video Sensing Extension.jpeg|1]] [[:File:3.0 Math.PNG|2]] [[:File:Checkbox to show or hide variable.png|3]] <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 01:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{done}} - does it look okay?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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:::::Groko13, which three of these do you think should be featured? I personally think [[:File:Transparent Stamps.png]], [[:File:Gobo Keychain.jpg]], and [[:File:Video Sensing Extension.jpeg]] would be good. Do you think so as well, or do you have a different opinion? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Sure, that sounds good! Thanks for updating the images! {{e|:)}}<scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:00, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Well {{done}} for spotting and fixing that! I'm completely happy with the changes.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 23:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}{{done}}, if you see an error please let me know. Thanks for suggesting these! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== Wiki Wednesday - Participate! ==
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== Constructiveness in Community Portal - An Idea ==
  
Hi everyone!
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Hello there!
  
Those who have been following Wiki Wednesday closely might have noticed that we introduced a new section in July, "Participate!". Our goals are to  
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In case you didn't know, I'm a Forum Helper (https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/3688309/) on Scratch, which means I generally help out on the the Scratch discussion forums. One day, I headed over to the Community Portal and it seemed like a sort of "discussion forums" within the Scratch Wiki, and I understand that the concept is different, but for me it personally seemed that way.
* increase community engagement with the Wiki Wednesday event
 
* reduce (the relative amount of) spam on the topic
 
* show people that they can use the Wiki to answer many questions
 
* get more people interested in joining the Wiki by inspiring them with interesting questions/ topics that need coverage
 
  
In July's participate we asked people to ask questions, try to answer them with the Wiki or otherwise answer if they can. We got some interesting questions:
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Anyways, I mostly help around a lot on the Suggestions forum, which, yet again, redirects to the Community Portal since there are a lot of suggestions for the Scratch Wiki here. One difference is though, that the Scratch Team and some Scratchers (like me) enforce the rule of "constructiveness" while making posts, and I'm pretty sure most of you know what that means but I'll just clarify:
  
> Answered by wiki
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* It means that one does not simply post "Support!", "Good idea!", or "+1!" and explain why they like the suggestion, that they provoke discussion, and look for possible issues instead of continuosly leaning on one side, like "I love this suggestion" or "I hate this suggestion"
* Where is the remix tree?
 
* What is the Wiki?
 
* What is Wiki Wednesday?
 
* Who invented Scratch?
 
  
> Answered by community
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* It means that one does not simply add one sentence to act as if their post is constructive. For example, "Support, because this might be useful for many Wikians!" seems constructive but it isn't really constructive, because they're not stating how it would be useful for many Wikians or why it would be.
* Troubleshooting on MacBook
 
* Changing the profile picture on a tablet
 
* How many studios can someone create?
 
* How to make a thumbnail (that is not visible once the Green Flag was clicked) for a project
 
  
> Unanswered
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Now, I've been looking around in the CP, and I've been seeing a couple of responses just saying "+1!" or merely "Support!" without provoking any further discussion and merely showing your satisfaction. So I thought, maybe, we could enforce the constructive rule on the CP as well. Especially because the ideas here much more mature and complex, and not like Scratch where it's just new blocks or random new features.
* When are Scratch Updates launched?
 
* Branding Tips
 
* Project ideas
 
* Wall detection platformer tutorial
 
* Make a bullet follow a player
 
* Full game tutorials
 
* How to draw in Scratch
 
* What did the ST expect people to do with studios?
 
* How to get hacked blocks  
 
  
As you see some of the unanswered questions could have been answered using the Wiki - oh well, they were burried beneath spam I guess...
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I do agree that many people are already following this rule, but maybe just enforce it more? I do think it'll be incredibly helpful for the type of suggestions being given here.
  
This month's Participate! is to give us feedback on last month's participate and Wiki Wednesday in general. It would be great if the Wiki Community could participate :) On the Wiki Wednesday post: https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/368257/ post your feedback! You can also make suggestions for future Participat! sections. Or say if you don't think Participate! is useful and try and develop another strategy. Thanks all!
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<small>wow... that's... long</small>
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<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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:While I understand what you're saying, I don't think it would be necessary to enforce constructiveness here. The discussion forums and Community Portal are two fundamentally different things. The Scratch Team has an extremely large userbase. Thus, there are many possible people contributing to discussions, and also many people that decisions will affect. It makes sense for there to be an expectation that people are constructive. However, as of writing, there are 72 [[Special:ActiveUsers|active users]] on the Scratch Wiki. This is much smaller than the userbase on Scratch. And yes, you might argue that our "userbase" is not just our editors but also our readers; yes, but our editors are the ones who are supposed to make the decisions here.
  
-- <scratchsig>LiFaytheGoblin</scratchsig> 17:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
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:Anyway, on the topic of having fewer active users on the wiki, it helps to see if someone ''supports'' your idea. And it matters, too. If multiple people like your idea, it probably has a better chance of being successful here. This is in stark contrast to the Suggestions Forum, where that is simply not true. This is why simply saying "support" or "no support" on that forum is not helpful, nor constructive.
  
:{{cool|Very cool!}} Even though I didn't participate in last month's "Participate!", I will make sure to participate next time! (This sounds like a great idea btw!) {{e|:D}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:44, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
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:In summary, yes, I think it would be ''helpful'' for people to provide a reason that they like or dislike an idea (perhaps we could recommend it), but I don't think it's necessary to ''enforce'' it. I don't think that it's fair to compare the convention ''here'' to the convention ''on the Suggestions Forum,'' because the CP is fundamentally different from the Suggestions Forum and the discussion forums in general. That said, if someone ''dislikes'' an idea, I think it is more necessary to provide reasoning than if they like it, as they are disagreeing with the reasoning provided by the OP, and thus need to provide their own reasoning.
  
== Scratch down ==
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:So, to end this off, I agree that we should recommend it, but I disagree that we should ''enforce'' it.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 14:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Good idea! I suppose that could work too.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 09:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
  
Anyone know why the Scratch website is down? I’m at school, so I can’t check the Twitter posts.{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 16:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Scratchblocks Plugin not Working ==
:Hmm, I don't know. When I got on at about 1:10, it said down for maintenance, and then I just checked back to get to the Twitter posts and it's back up again, at 1:11. Weird.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 17:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:: Maybe your school banned Scratch since there a games there. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 01:22, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
:::No, it was down, like [[Maintenance Mode|down for maintenance]]. Not banned. I wasn't at school anyway.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 16:54, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Maybe [https://scratch.mit.edu/news this?] <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 04:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::It happened when 2.0 was turning into 3.0, but by the date of the post, I don't think the reason was due to that. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Statistics - New Zealand ==
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On any wiki page I go to that has the Scratchblock Plugin, all of the blocks end up half-rendered, except for the text.  Are other people seeing this?
  
I think we need to write in [[Scratch Statistics|this page]] that New Zealand is cut off massively, and can not really be seen. It's quite noticeable! <scratchsig>God286</scratchsig> 06:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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[[File:HalfRenderedBlockTextError.png]]
:Actually, this is a common thing done in corporate - New Zealand frequently doesn't constitute a large statistic, and its presence extends the map a lot, so it is commonly deliberately left out of statistics maps. You can tell the ST to add it back, I guess, for all the good it'll do :P{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:39, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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<scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 13:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
:: It's statistics can hardly be seen, due to the fact you have to hover your mouse on a little dot. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:10, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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: This does not happen to me - the bug might only happen to the device or computer you are using the Scratch Wiki on. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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:: This might not be of much help but have you tried realoding the page or freeing space on your computer/device sometimes when the tablet I use  is out of space/storage everything malnfuctions <scratchsig>Godslamb</scratchsig> 15:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::What device/OS/browser are you using?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::If you are using a phone it is probably because the screen is too small so the wiki malfunctions. If you are on another device then I think it is because your storage is full, so in that case you need to free up space.<scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 17:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I'm using Brave Browser on a Macbook Pro, with about 70GB left on the hard drive.  I have tried both reloading and clearing the cache, to no avail. <scratchsig>Ravenclaw900</scratchsig> 22:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Hmm, could you try using a different browser, like Firefox or Chrome? That might be the issue. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== Giving Credit on the Wiki ==
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== Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded ==
  
{{not done}}
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When custom welcome messages on new Scratch Wikians' talk pages are not transcluded from a templat (when the entire contents, including the formatting is copied and pasted onto the talk page), it could lengthen the talk page.
I think that we should make a template for credit like this: {{User:Scratch-Coding/credit|Scratch-Coding |template}}. It would be helpful. We could use the remix button image instead of the one I have. {{User:Scratch-Coding/Signature}} 00:09, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:When and where will it be used? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 01:05, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::What would you use this for, and why? The wiki is a collaboration and we all own a part of it. No one owns a article unless they created it on there userspace where they can so whatever they want with it.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 01:13, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Templates are mainly created for mainspace Wiki articles {{-}} when and why would this be needed? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:58, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::It would be used on userspaces, giving credit for a image, and giving credit for an example. <scratchsig>Scratch-Coding</scratchsig> 17:44, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::You can use it on your userspace but I don't think it's necessary. Btw: What did you do to your signature? It's broken.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 20:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::This wouldn't be that beneficial to the Wiki, especially if it is mostly used on userspace. I still disagree. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:05, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent | 6}} Who would use it? <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, I don't think this is necessary. If you need to credit someone you don't need a template. Furthermore, you wouldn't need to credit anyone on mainspace, this is collaborative and we don't get/need credit for what we write here.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 15:26, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 
  
==Watchlist token not Working==
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I suggest that there should be a rule (unless one already exists) requiring all custom welcome messages (this excludes the default Scratch Wiki welcome message) to be transcluded as a template (from the creator's userspace, obviously). {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
  
It claims to let me see my watchlist when I search it on the web, but it shows nothing at all. <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
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:[[#Standardized signatures]] Transcluded pages are loading slower, also the default welcome message is too big for transclusion.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
:Nope. The token is used for RSS - not web viewing. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 14:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::Oh, thanks! <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 
  
==How to use Scratch to host images?==
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== Archive 106 ==
  
It says right [[Image_Hosting|here]] that we can host images on scratch.mit.edu, but I don't know how. Could anyone teach me? Thanks! <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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First, sorry for not appearing on this Wiki! I'm kinda busy on jawiki and other stuff. Anyway it's the 106th archive time!
:You can use images hosted in scratch.mit.edu (project thumbnails, studio thumbnails, user icons, etc.), but you can't upload images there. <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 16:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::For example, your user profile picture on Scratch can be found at this link: [https://cdn2.scratch.mit.edu/get_image/user/17528194_60x60.png (look at the url)] <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 02:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::And Scratch images can also be directly embedded here too :) https://cdn2.scratch.mit.edu/get_image/user/17528194_20x20.png{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I accidentally embedded it here first when I was trying to show the url lol <br/>{{User:Jedibrine/Sig}} 02:13, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::We are currently coming up with a good way to host future images for our Wiki Wednesday release. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:34, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Tinkercad Codeblocks ==
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Things to archive:
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{{collapse top|the list of Done topics}}
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* [[S:CPND#New page for mall simulators]]
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* [[S:CPSYS]] - '''do not forget this time, please'''
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* [[#Welcome templates]]
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* [[#New Featured Images]]
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* [[#Giving Credit on the Wiki]]
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* [[#What happened to link previews?]]
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* [[#Moving Plural page titles to singular]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! January 30th, 2020]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! February 27th, 2020]]
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* [[#New Featured Images]]
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* [[#Sonic the Hedgehog]]
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* [[#Turbo Mode]]
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* [[#How to make a quiz]]
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* [[#WikiMonitor is hurting me]]
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* [[#Scratch Links]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! April 30th, 2020]]
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* [[#Can someone please help]]
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* [[#Revamping and Reviving S:CPND]]
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* [[#Featured Image Suggestions?]]
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* [[#How to find user rank?]]
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* [[#Problems about mobile devices]]
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* [[#Thankful Thursday! May 28th, 2020]]
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* [[#New Featured Images suggestions]]
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* [[#Merge Request]]
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* [[#How do I move this page?]]
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* [[#scratchblocks is updated!]]
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* [[#Memories for Wiki Wednesday 50]]
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* [[#Scratch MIDI notes]]
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* [[#Should we delete never used bot accounts?]]
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* [[#READ! Scratch is down!]]
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* [[#Sandbox]]
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{{collapse bottom}}
  
Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
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Can these be archived as well?
<scratchsig>LiamSapp123</scratchsig> 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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{{collapse top|can they be archived?}}
:Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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* [[#2.0 Image Updating]]
::Maybe we should have one about Blockly <scratchsig>Congyingzhou</scratchsig> 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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* [[#Why won’t this table work?]] - although labeled as not done, OP is inactive
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* [[#Advertising article]]
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* [[#Lancer PFP trend]]
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* [[#Scratch + the Project to Find the Fundamental Theory of Physics by Stephen Wolfram]]
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* [[#Why is the interwiki link for the Test-Scratch Wiki the language code for Twi?]]
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* [[#What are...]]
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* [[#sooo idk if this is off-topic]]
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* [[#Please help me]]
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* [[#Privacy policy in English?]]
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* [[#New Scratch Wiki Logo?]]
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* [[#Are "Public Sandboxes" Allowed?]]
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* [[#Problems with Categorizing a Page]]
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* [[#How do you upload an image?]]
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* [[#Elections]]
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* [[#April Foooooools...?]]
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* [[#How do I use templates?]]
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* [[#How to add an image on my user space?]]
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* [[#250000th edit on the Wiki!]]
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* [[#How to create a sidebar?]]
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* [[#How to make a April Fools userpage?]]
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* [[#Bad word filter]]
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* [[#About linking other Wikis...]]
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* [[#Blocked Accounts]]
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* [[#Where's the CSS cheatsheet?]]
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* [[#New Wikian]]
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* [[#Are there rules on this Wiki about sockpuppeting similar to the ones on Wikipedia?]]
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* [[#How Does The topic: Namespace Work?]]
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{{collapse bottom}}
  
== October 2019 EW Election ==
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{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Yay! {{e|10mil}} Out of your "can these be archived as well" topics, here are the ones that I think can be archived:
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{{collapse top|title=I think these can be archived}}
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:* [[#Why is the interwiki link for the Test-Scratch Wiki the language code for Twi?]]
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:* [[#What are...]]
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:* [[#sooo idk if this is off-topic]]
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:* [[#Please help me]]
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:* [[#Privacy policy in English?]]
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:If you disagree with any of those, please say so.
  
=== Overview ===
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:That leaves these ones that I'm not too sure about:
On behalf of all the Scratch Wiki admins and EWs, I am happy to announce that '''the seventh Experienced Wikian elections will be held in this month of October, 2019.'''
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:<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::I archived the finished and inactive discussions.
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::<small>maybe I archived so fast</small>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:33, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Ahmetlii, I think you archived some that shouldn't have been archived... such as: "Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded" (edit conflict with Ahmetlii)<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Also, I think the admins (like Ken) are supposed to do the actual archiving?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::<small><small>oops</small></small>I came Jammum's topic to here again.<small>also edit conflict</small>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::There are some others too; I'm currently looking through the archive.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 18:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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Should we do a bot for archiving? Yes, it's pretty {{done}} without a bot; but also I saw that I archived everything, nearly.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Archived [[S:CPSYS]]}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
  
You can find the most relevant information on the election page: [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019]] and the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Nominations|nomination page]]. Visit this page to learn more about being an Experienced Wikian: [[Scratch Wiki:Experienced Wikians]]
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== [[S:CPND]] ==
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{{done}}
  
=== Rationale ===
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Can someone please help me find the problem at [[S:CPND]]? Everything is being collapsed by one of the topics... {{e|:/}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
This election is for mostly the same reason as the February 2018 elections. I (kenny2scratch) have now started 11{{th}} grade, and the level of stress is really high - this is the year where the vast majority of learning goes on. I'm not withdrawing or retiring from the Wiki like jvvg has, but I will definitely have to be far less active.
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:I'm not sure why {{t|collapse bottom}} is not working at the bottom of [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Embedding of Scratch Projects]]... <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Looking in the page history, before [[Special:Diff/249733|this edit]], everything seems normal. However, the problem is, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that edit, and I don't remember it being like this ''since'' that edit. Sometimes I just really dislike wiki formatting. {{e|:/}} Thanks for trying to help fix it.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Very strange, is the signature messing the page up somehow? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 19:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::I tried removing all instances of Ahmetlii's custom signature in [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox|my sandbox]], and it kind of fixed the problem, but really just moved it to a different topic. {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::To everyone {{-}} free to edit my sandbox to try to find out what the problem is. Rules against editing posts don't apply there, so '''please don't copy and paste from there into [[S:CPND]].''' This is purely to ''identify'' the problem.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::So, something I did in [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox]] fixed the problem. I removed a lot of people's custom signatures. The problem was fixed when I removed this code, I think:
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::::::<syntaxhighlight><span title="{{Special:EditCount/Eribetra}} edits since 26/1/2017" style="color:#0000ff;font-family:Segoe UI, sans-serif;display:inline">{{#ifeq:|nobr||<br/>}}[[File:Eribetra%27s_Profile_Picture.gif|20px|link=User:Eribetra]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Eribetra}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border:1px solid black"><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span></span></span> 21:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)</syntaxhighlight>
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::::::This is the code of {{user|Eribetra|name}}'s custom signature {{-}} not sure why it wasn't transcluded.
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::::::The problem is, when I tried to remove ''just'' that code, it didn't fix the problem.
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::::::So I fixed the problem in my sandbox, now we just need to isolate what I did to fix it. {{e|:P}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}Alright, I know for sure that there is something in [[User:Ahmetlii/sig]] that is causing trouble. Look at [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 3]], then look at its source code.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Alright, I think I've fixed the issue!! {{e|10mil}}
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:I think there were two things causing this:
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:# Something with the formatting of the "custom signatures" section. I don't know what, but if you read that discussion, Ken has tried to fix it as well.
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:# Something in Ahmetlii's custom signature.
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:I fixed the problem by:
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:# Moving the "custom signatures" section to its own subpage, [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done/custom signatures]].
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:# Reverting Ahmetlii's custom signature to a previous version. I think it's okay that I edited userspace because the custom signature was adversely affecting other pages, though please correct me if I'm wrong about that.
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:<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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::{{e|10mil}} Good work! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Good job bigpuppy! {{e|10mil}} <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 14:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
  
Now, the EWs elected in June have done their job very well - but I'm sure they'd love some help. Also, in the last election there was an experience imbalance - the candidates joined the Wiki in 2015, 2017, and 2018; additionally, at the time other nominees couldn't become candidates because of lack of experience. After three months, we feel confident that nominees will have more experience.
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== Talking through the mouse ==
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{{done}}
  
=== Expectations/Hopes ===
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I just want to know how you edit code so you can talk through someone's mouse. I've seen a lot of people doing it and I would love to know how!
EWs elected in this election should be able to dedicate a set amount of time each day to patrolling edits made that day. Though all edits from each day must be patrolled, the elects need not patrol them all by themselves. Instead, they should coordinate with myself and other admins and EWs to patrol the day's edits.
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<scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 10:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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:You can use the <code><nowiki><span title></nowiki></code> property — for example, <code><nowiki><span title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</span></nowiki></code> makes <span title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</span>
  
Elects should also:
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:You can also do the same thing with <code><nowiki><div title></nowiki></code>; for example, <code><nowiki><div title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</div></nowiki></code> makes <div title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</div><br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
* Know the account request process well (processing account requests is what the entire EW role was created for)
 
* Have a certain amount of activity per day outside of patrolling. Edits made in the course of patrolling are usually enough.
 
* Know how to gently/nicely/politely correct new users' behavior
 
** No: "Please remember to indent. You did not indent on User's talk page."
 
** Yes: "Hi, I just saw your message on User's talk page. Your comment was rather [positive adjective], but I just want to mention that when replying to other people's posts we usually..."
 
  
=== Conclusion ===
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::OK, thanks bigpuppy! I'll give it a go in my sandbox. Just had a go and it all works! Thanks, again. <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 18:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Nominations open at 12:00 AM UTC on October 5 (which is 8pm Scratch Time on October 4). Good luck, and may the best candidates win!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:Another one? It feels like we just did the last! Nevertheless, I'll nominate myself when it's open.<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 04:38, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::It is unprecedented, to have two elections in such a short time, but the rationale is valid.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:44, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Cool, looking forward to see who the candidates are.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 20:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Wow, this quick? I'll be waiting for nominations to open then {{e|:D}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Wait, question for Ken- so EW<u>'''s'''</u> will be elected or undecided? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Whoops, just read the election page. Carry on! {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:43, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|7}}Yay, I didn't miss it this time...{{User:Dominic305/signature}} 11:17, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:How do I nominate myself (once the page opens)? <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 15:04, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::You go to the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Nominations|nomination page]]. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 15:24, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Got it! Thanks! :) <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 15:39, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:::}}
 
=== Nominations open ===
 
Nominations are now open! Please see [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Nominations]]. Nominations close on October 12 (next Saturday).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:Reminder: Nominations close this Saturday! If you are unsure, you have a little over one more day to make up your mind.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:03, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:}}
 
=== Candidates ===
 
Nominations are closed! After much deliberation by the admins and current EWs, here is the list of candidates (in alphabetical order) in the June 2019 election:
 
* apple502j
 
* Jammum
 
* MClovers
 
* TenType
 
  
Candidates: Start writing your speeches! Once you have written your speech and are happy with what it says, '''post it in a reply here'''. Remember that speeches must be no more than 108 words and not break any rules stated on the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019|election page]]. If you like, you can post your speech multiple times - your last reply here that you mark as your official speech will be the speech displayed on the election page. You have until October 19 to write and post and/or revise your speech.
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== A flaw in the "Random Page" button I see ==
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{{not done}}
  
Everyone else: There's nothing for you to do right now - voting starts on October 19. Check back in a week!
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So, I've been using the Scratch Wiki for almost 3 months without an account, and about 1 with, and I see a flaw in the "Random Page" button. Sometimes it links you to disambiguation pages, and I'm just wondering- is this really useful? Because most people (I'm assuming) who use the RP (Random Page) button just want to find an article they can revise or look at, and I find that whenever a disambiguation page while clicking the RP button, I just click the RP button again, and find an article. I have a suggestion, maybe have an option to toggle if you want to not go to disambiguation pages while clicking the RP button? Just a little suggestion. <scratchsig>Foxlife37</scratchsig> 23:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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:See [[wikipedia:mw:Help:Random page]]; I think that since [[Special:Random]] is a built-in MediaWiki thing, this would require some sort of extension. That said, I'm no MediaWiki guru, so I could be wrong about that. An easy solution would be to put disambig pages in their own namespace; though this has the downside that they won't show up in search. Again, I'm not a MediaWiki guru, so I don't know whether there's an easy solution to that downside.
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:<small>I really wanted to make a joke about not being able to play TenType's [[User:TenType#Games|Disambiguation Dodge]], but then I realized you were just suggesting a way to toggle seeing disambiguation pages...</small><br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Haha, I was going to make that joke too! {{e|:P}} I don't think we should move disambigs to their own namespace though; that seems like quite a drastic change just to make sure that they don't show up via the Random Page button. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 23:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Thanks! I now have an idea that came from your answers. It's 100% not related to the problem, but it's definitely a cool idea! <small> Oof so much happened. I had to re-write this because of an edit conflict, and I guess this is an example of an idea that came from a problem. And wow is this hard on a phone... </small> <scratchsig>Foxlife37</scratchsig> 23:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Maybe we can add [[:mw:Extension:Disambiguator]] (jawiki has it) {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 13:59, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
  
(Edit: your speeches will only be displayed on the election page at the start of the voting period.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:48, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Merging Cloud Data Articles? ==
:Hey there! My name's TenType. I have a lot of experience on the Scratch Wiki, such as cleaning up existing articles, helping users around the Wiki, fixing Wiki markup, and much more. Since I'm one of the most active users on the Wiki and moderate every edit that goes into Recent Changes, I believe I would be an excellent fit as an EW for patrolling, handling account requests, and maintaining the Wiki. Lastly, I consider myself to be a hard worker- meaning I would be great for repetitive tasks such as deleting unused/redirecting files. Vote TenType for EW! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:17, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::Hello, I'm an well-known apple, apple502j. Being an admin for more than years on Japanese wiki, my knowledge on how to moderate Wiki, including ConfirmAccounts, is so huge. I look at Recent Changes almost every day using my free time and I'm sure I'm the best person for patrolling task. I have created many articles here and joined many discussions around the Wiki since two years ago. Also, my timezone is UTC+9; similar to Ken's, so I can help his jobs at the almost same time. Make the Wiki nice like an apple, by Voting Apple. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 07:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Hello, Wikians! It is a great honour to be a candidate for this EW election. I have been on the Scratch Wiki for nearly a year (at the time of writing this) made over a thousand edits, so I have enough experience. If I get elected, I will do many helpful actions, such as putting lots of effort into helping out and improving this wiki, answer everyone's questions and more. I will carefully read account requests and fix other's spelling and grammar. Finally, I will aim to be on this wiki daily and will only use new privileges for the greater good of the wiki. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::::Hi fellow wikians! I'm @MClovers but you can call me Alpha. I'm so happy that I was considered as a candidate for the election! I just want to thank the current EW's and admins for choosing me as a candidate, It means a lot to me! Anyways, let's get onto my speech. I've been on the Scratch wiki for over 2 years now and I've enjoyed every second of it! I believe that the wiki is not just a place to get information but a whole community. Following this belief, I know how to manage online communities. I have a popular community known as 'ShopBux'. I won't get into what it actually is but the core of it is a thriving online community with over 300 pages and around 20 employees. I am a bit of a computer geek as well so I spend a lot of time on my laptop, meaning I am able to be on the wiki on command. Relating to this, my timezone is NZT so you can figure out when I'll be able to get on. I have the ability to correct users politely as I believe that new wikians may be put off if an EW came to them and attacked them. I can easily learn things so this will mean me learning every single nook and cranny of being an EW. Relating to this, I love learning new things so I will enjoy this position. My activity on this wiki will skyrocket as I understand the dedication required to be an EW. I will also try to reccomend the ideas of users to the other EWs and admins. Remember to #VoteAlpha if you want a say in how this online community is run!<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 03:49, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::@MClovers, two problems with your speech:
 
:::::# Your username is MClovers, not AlphaZetta. "#VoteAlpha" doesn't really make sense in this context.
 
:::::# The word limit for speeches is 108 words. Your speech is 290 - over twice the limit.
 
:::::In any case, thank you all for your speeches - you now have until this Saturday to revise them. The last reply of yours here that you mark as your official speech will be used on the election page.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|5}}<Latest Speech>Hello Wikians, I'm an well-known apple, apple502j. Being an admin for more than two years on Japanese wiki, my knowledge on how to moderate Wiki, including ConfirmAccounts, is so huge. I look at Recent Changes almost every day using my free time and I'm sure I'm the best person for patrolling task. I have created many articles here and joined many discussions around the Wiki since two years ago. Also, my timezone is UTC+9; similar to Ken's, so I can help his jobs at the almost same time. Make the Wiki nice like an apple, by Voting Apple. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 05:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:<Latest Speech>Hi, I'm @MClovers! Thanks for choosing me! I've been on the Scratch wiki for over 2 years now! The wiki is not just a wiki but a whole community. I can manage communities. I have a community known as 'ShopBux'. It's an online community with an active following. I can get on the wiki on command. I correct users politely. I learn quickly so I can get to know the position. I love learning new things so I will enjoy this position. I understand the dedication required to be an EW. I will recommend the ideas of users to wiki staff. #VoteMCL if you want a voice!<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 07:51, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|:}}
 
=== Voting Open ===
 
The deadline has passed! The candidates for the October 2019 election have written their speeches. View them on the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019|election page]].
 
  
Candidates: There's nothing for you to do now but hope. Remember that you are not allowed to do any sort of self-promotion anywhere.
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I think that there are far too many articles on Cloud Data. I think these should all be merged or certain ones removed to reduce the amount of potential editing.
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<scratchsig>ContourLines</scratchsig> 06:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
  
Everyone else: Voting has opened! If your account was created '''before October 5''', [https://futuresight.org/wikivote click here to vote]! Voting closes on October 26.
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== Linking Style Sheets ==
  
Good luck to all candidates!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:27, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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Could anyone please tell me if it is possible to link style sheets similar to <syntaxhighlight lang="HTML"><link rel="stylesheet" href="filename.css"></syntaxhighlight>in HTML? If it is then could you please tell me how? <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 18:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
:Last day of voting! If you want to have a say in who your new EWs are, make sure to vote!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 14:26, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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:It's "perfectly" impossible for the Scratch Wiki. It will need FTP server access. You cannot do it if you're not a bureaucrat.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|:}}
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::But why would I need FTP server access if the linked style sheet is on the wiki? <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 19:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
=== Election Results ===
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:::Wiki pages cannot run HTML codes itself.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Voting is closed! The votes have been tallied, and our two new Experienced Wikians have been chosen! ''drumroll...''
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::::While this is impossible. You can, however, use your common.css file in your userspace which will effect the style of the wiki skin.<scratchsig>ContourLines</scratchsig>
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:::::@Ahmelii, you are wrong. I suggest you to test it by yourself. @ContourLines, I am not asking about changing the style for only me; I am asking about changing the style for the contents of that page for everyone. <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 11:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|5}}
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@R4356th, are you sure about that? I cannot run it in my CSS sheet, I will try again. Did you test it in the Wiki?{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I believe [[User:Kenny2scratch|@Kenny2scratch]] might know. They seem to of effected the style of all their userspace.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 18:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::You can not run the wiki on just html and css files. It needs the files that run the server accsept of it too like the php files.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 11:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
  
Congratulations to '''{{user|apple502j}} and {{user|TenType}}''', who won with 98 and 72 points! You will receive messages shortly explaining your new permissions and expectations, and then your usergroups will be changed.
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== Custom Signatures ==
  
More detailed results can be found here: [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019/Results]]
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Would it be a violation of [[S:USERSPACE]] to replace the contents of another user's custom signature which has all its code and formatting on the page itself with a transclusion of the template it is from? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:43, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Could you elaborate? I don't really understand, it is probably as I am new here.<scratchsig>ContourLines</scratchsig> 15:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::I think it is, but I'm not entirely sure. Can you explain a bit more about it? <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 15:26, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
  
Thus concludes the [[Scratch Wiki:Elections/October 2019|October 2019 Experienced Wikian elections]]! Thank you to everyone who participated, be it candidates or voters. Goodbye!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Uploading Problems... ==
:Thanks everyone! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 06:19, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{done}} <br/>
::Thank you everyone! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 18:32, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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So, if you look [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:FoxPFP.svg here], you'll see my current profile picture on the scratch wiki. But it isn't working? The blue rounded rhombus square thing around it isn't loading. I've tried a lot, but it's not letting me use the one with the blue outline. I can't tell if I should just stick to the original non-rounded one, or is there something I can do. I've tried reverting it to older ones with the border, but it still won't work. I'm wondering if you can help me with this.
:::Congrats!{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 13:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
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<br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 15:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:It seems to work for me! Could you try to define what isn't loading a bit more clearly? I'll do my best! <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 15:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::For me the original one (the one without the rhombus) shows up, even when it's supposed to be using the rhombus one. So it looks like it has no rhombus around it. Does it show differently for you? <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 15:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Yes, I can see the rhombus. Maybe your device needs updating? <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 15:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Great, thanks! I might try logging out and into my account again. {{e|:D}} <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 15:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::: *facepalm* Or I could just clear my cache. Okay, fixed! (I realised that just now I should hard refresh the page) <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 15:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Wow! I didn't know that ''I'' could actually fix a problem! Anyway, I'm glad it's fixed! {{e|;)}} <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 16:01, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent}} Yup! Thanks! <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 16:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:No problem! And considering I'm only a New Wikian(I've been here for 8 days) that's pretty good! <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 16:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== Broken Link ==
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== Some wikicode not working? ==
  
In [[Scratch_Books]] the link for the book ''Coding for Beginners Using Scratch'' is broken. It apears that the company took down the book's page for a new book release which is updated for 3.0 I can never get the web archives to work for me so I thought I would tell all of you to decide what to do.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 21:08, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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So my welcome template, which is [[User:Foxlife37/Welcome|here]], has a border around it like this.
:I can't find it with the web archiver; it seems like it wasn't notable enough to document. I would suggest removing the book from the page entirely.<scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 21:19, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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<div style="border: 4px solid #ff9500; width: 95%; height:auto; margin:10px; padding:15px; border-radius:10px;">
::Okay, thanks for your advise. Since the book isn't for sale anymore on their website it's probably the right thing to do.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 00:19, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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Example! </div>
:::{{done}}<scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 23:26, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
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And with that, I made the whole welcome template in there. So far it was fine, but then I tried to do this - (not in the collapse it's just so it's smaller)
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{{collapse top|title=<span style="color:#7953c4;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Example</span>|bg=#ffffff}}
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[[User:Foxlife37/Sandbox|Go here and see. It'll explain things.]] I can't put it in here because otherwise it would be sorta broken.
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{{collapse bottom}}
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And the hello is supposed to be outside the box, plus the <code><nowiki></div></nowiki></code> is supposed to be outside the box and not show up? Idk, can someone look at the code and figure it out? Thanks if someone figures it out! <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 18:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I think any issues you are having are because you seem to have forgotten to close a span tag. See [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 2]]. Did closing it fix the problems?<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Oh, I had another span tag open? Ah, thanks! I'll try and fix that now. {{e|:)}} Update from future me - It worked! (How did I not notice that..) Thanks! <br/>{{User:Foxlife37/Real Signature}} 19:04, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::{{done}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== Does Image Hosting page need change? ==
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== Allow user-based scripts in Scratch Wiki ==
  
In the [[Image Hosting]] page it seems that Xomf is still under the 'Pending review' section. According to [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/3717081/ this forum post] by [https://scratch.mit.edu/users/Paddle2See/ Paddle2See], they've tried to add Xomf but it didn't work. I think that this would make the wiki page out of date. Should I change it?<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 19:37, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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In last days, I developed [[User:Ahmetlii/PyUserScript|a script]] for send [[S:DIS]] messages. So, I need to get permission for use and publish codes of the script - because I designed it for send messages, but specifically for Scratch Wiki. What do you think about that, should we use it or not?
:Yeah, go ahead.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 19:51, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{note|Also, this is the first topic about the usability of userscripts(not bots)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:00, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
::[https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/topic/368914/?page=5#post-3717750 Looks like they're trying for imgbb.com right now.]{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 23:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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:Personally, I don't mind allowing user-based scripts, but it is a good point to bring up for discussion. If there's no rules against it and you're doing things that the API allows, then it's probably okay (and it's all tied to your account, right? Letting anonymous users edits pages with bots would be pretty bad). I would definitely get a bureaucrat's approval though. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 20:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
:::I know, I started it.<scratchsig>MClovers</scratchsig> 00:21, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
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::For your question, yes, anonymous IPs or bots(if they are not approved by bureaucrats) cannot edit the Wiki through the API. So, if someone wants to use this tool, all of the responsibilities are on the user.
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::Actually, I'm concerned about for bureaucrats' opinions, because this is the first discussion about semi-automatic editors, etc.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 21:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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:(This level of indentation is to reply to OP.)
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:You say you need to get permission to use the script - and yet you used it without permission?
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:User bots (different from userscripts) are completely disallowed. You must [[S:BOTREQS|request]] a bot account to perform regular automated tasks. Your run of your bot was completely against guidelines.
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:That's not to say that userscripts (that is, Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey/similar-style JavaScript files or user JS files) are disallowed - only that API access from a user account is not allowed unless you have been approved to test your implementation of a bot you requested.
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:We bureaucrats are currently discussing whether we should disable API write access to all non-bot/EW accounts and if so how to allow it for users that are approved to test implementations.
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:What that basically means is you can use a userscript or user JS to prefill the text of your new topic for you, but you must make your edit through the user interface, not the application programming interface, unless you do so through a bot account or in the course of testing your implementation.
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:Please either make a bot request, switch to a userscript, or dismantle your project.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 07:33, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== Show Preview Loading ==
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== Edit Count JSON? ==
  
Is it just me, or is "Show preview" loading slower and slower as time progresses? At first, since I was using a phone to edit, I thought it was just the side effect of editing on mobile. However, I tried using "Show preview" on my two other laptops and the same happened- I clicked "Show preview", then the gray loading circle would pop up. It takes a VERY long time to load and sometimes won't even load at all. If you click on it again, the circle would disappear and the preview would still not be shown. "Save changes" and "Show changes" works just fine. Is anyone else experiencing this and if someone else is, then could this be fixed?
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I don't really know how much relevance this has here but I was wondering if how I would get a user's edit count in JSON format. Where would that be located? Is there some API I should be using or something? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks {{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 02:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done}} Got a answer somewhere else {{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 23:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Looks like I was too late for answer, but did you use [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/api.php ?format] for it?{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 23:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
  
<small>At this very moment, I clicked "Show preview" and it is still loading... and loading... {{e|:(}}</small>
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== Red text on popups for links? ==
<scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:45, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:On desktop, works normally for me... loaded as instantly as any other submit function.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:52, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::It's starting to work more often now... probably some issues with connecting or something else. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 21:19, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== What happened to link previews? ==
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<small><small>I'm trying to be more active now :D</small></small><br/>
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When hovering over a link, I see red text in it instead of black text, or the color that is supposed to be there. I looked at my [[User:12944qwerty/common.css]] and I removed the color:red part of it and refreshed cache but it is still present? Or is it supposed to be like this (which I doubt). This is what it appears for me: https://ibb.co/NT1ymNZ <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 04:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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:This may happen because the linked page doesn't exist anymore. Is this the case for your links? Can you link the troublesome pages please?{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 17:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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::It's happened to me before and the reason was the link did not exist as I had made a mistake in the code. I assume this is the reason for your problem too. It is probably because the page has been deleted for some reason or that you made the same mistake as me. <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 17:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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:Hmm, that's odd. It's not like that for me. The text that isn't red is the right color though. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::All links (other than external) show up like that. They're all existing 100%. All links, including [[S:CP]], [[S:CPND]], etc are showing up like that for me. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Maybe try a different device if you can and see if that fixes it? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 21:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Even if it were to fix it, which I doubt as it seems to be an account problem (and it works properly on the wiki), I'd like the wiki to be able to work on all devices.
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:::::I checked [[Special:Preferences]] but there isn't anything there. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::::I'm going to need more reproduction information than that. I don't see anything out of the ordinary - hovering over your S:CP link behaves correctly with correct colors. I notice in your screenshot that only list items are red, while paragraphs are fine.
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::::::Sniff around with Inspect Element. Where is the styling that makes it red computed?
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::::::In the meantime, what's your browser and OS?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 20:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|6}}
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I'm not able to access the inspect element area on this computer. I'll try switching to my other computer later. <br/>
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I'm starting to see your point, but when I hover over my [[User:12944qwerty]] page I see this https://i.ibb.co/tQmvzQc/image.png . The CP's header is red for me, but all the other text is normal as you said.<br/>
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'''Google Chrome OS Version 83.0.4103.119 (Official Build) (64-bit)''' <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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:On further exploration, I've noticed that this mainly happens on MY pages. I haven't seen red text on anyone else's pages except for the headers, which are red. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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::I have switched to my other computer, and I still see the EXACT same thing. This is definitely an account problem <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 14:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::Assumming, you're using ScratchWikiSkin, it's [[User:12944qwerty/scratchwikiskin2.css|this CSS page]]. I added it to my common.css and it did the same thing for me. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 14:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::Omg, I completely forgot about that page. I deleted the contents and it works! Thank you so much! {{done}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
  
{{not done}} They don't seem to be showing up for me at all anymore. Anybody else?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 02:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Even more featured images! ==
:Same here. Did someone turn it off? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{not done}}
::Also not getting previews (or at least when I tried it on [[Image Hosting]], linked above). I'll ping jvvg (since he was the one who enabled them).{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Any reply from jvvg yet?{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Should the EW election nomination talk page be protected from New Wikians? ==
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If you have suggestions, please reply here. (I really wish we had a dedicated page for this...)<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I think that keeping it in here is better because more people come here more often than not. Keeping it elsewhere might not lead many people to suggest images. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
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::What about the dedicated subpage for logging server faults? It already has a link on the main CP, so we can just do a similar thing for more featured images. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::Yes, but once a server fault appears, people have motivation to log it so that it doesn't happen again.. In this case, people have to find an image, then go the CP, then to the link (unless bookmarked). Although I do see your point, I believe keeping it in the CP would have a lot more attention. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::I think that if we do make a dedicated page, it could go in the "For Editors" bar next to "WW Suggestions." <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 15:43, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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[[:File:Gobo's friends.png|Here's]] a suggestion! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:How about this one? [[:File:Save Picture.png]] {{e|:)}} It might be interesting to people that that used to be a feature.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
  
New Wikians are ineligible from running in EW elections. Should the nominations talk page of it be protected to prevent them from nominating themselves? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 15:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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== Where should I discuss things related to the Test Wikis if I am not a user on it? ==
:But will new wikians even nominate, that's the thing... Other than that, I think this should happen. It will make things a bit easier. <scratchsig>God286</scratchsig> 20:30, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{done}}<br/>
::They will!  <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 20:33, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
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I wanted to discuss something involving one of the Test Wikis. However, I am not a Test Wiki editor (and I am not planning to join it because I am not fluent in any other language). Where should I discuss Test Wiki related topics? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
:::Future questions like this go on the [[Scratch Wiki talk:Elections/October 2019|election talk page]], not the CP.
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:I think you should start a forum post so you can discuss it on the main scratch website, as I think it would be off-topic to put it here or somewhere else. <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 17:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
:::To answer the question, yes. I've protected it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 00:25, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
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:: The Test Wikis are owned by the same owners of the Scratch Wiki. Also, I am going to wait for other users to answer this. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
::::{{done}} <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 15:13, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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:::The [[topic:294197|Wiki forum topic]] is an appropriate place, I'd say.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 20:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::Your welcome to post on any of the international administrators talk pages and we'd be happy to answer a question or transfer your comment to the test-wiki community portal if appropriate. <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 20:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Thank you for your replies. I am going to go with what Ken wrote, so this topic is now {{done}} {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 05:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
  
== Delete these files please ==
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== Naming Blocks ==
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{{not done}}
  
<br/>{{Done}}
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When referring to Scratch's blocks within an article, what format should be used? Some articles follow the capitalization of the title (like [[Tempo (block)]]), some articles use all lowercase (like [[Abs () (block)]]), and some use the block plugin (e.g. [[Set Video Transparency to () (block)]]). If there's not a consistent format, then there probably should be one.
Can any of you guys delete these files?:
 
<br/> https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:My_Broom_I_Guess_(For_April_Fools)_(Dilek10).jpg
 
<br/> https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/File:ALL_HAIL_DA_SEMICOLON!!!!1(Dilek10).jpg
 
<br/>Thanks if you do so.
 
<scratchsig>Dilek10</scratchsig> 18:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:In the future, either post this kind of thing on [[/Admin Requests/]], or just use the {{t|delete}} template on the file. {{done}} by banana439monkey.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 02:56, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== How to make a new page on your account ==
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<small>(Thanks to [[User_talk:Groko13#Capitalization|Naleksuh]] for bringing this up)</small><scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I looked at the [[S:EC#Introductory paragraph|Editing Conventions]], and they say that "capitalization for blocks remain the same as the title; for example, Tempo (block) changes to 'Tempo' and Project Downloading (1.4) changes to 'Project Downloading.'" If this is the case, should we change articles that don't follow this capitalization to match? What about articles that just use scratchblocks code? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:: I am okay with the block name the same as in the title, however I do think that this means the title system should be changed, as it is currently using incorrect grammar, unnecessary disambigs, and not even aligning with the actual names used in Scratch
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:: For example:
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::: * [[If on Edge, Bounce (block)]] will become "if on edge, bounce" (yes, titles that start with a lowercase letter *are* possible - can be done individually or via the infobox)
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::: * [[Boolean Block]] will become "Boolean block"
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::: * [[How to Move Sprites with the Arrow Keys]] will become "How to move sprites with the arrow keys"
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::: * [[Advanced Topics (forum)]] will become "Advanced Topics"
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::: * [[New Scratcher Status]] will become "New Scratcher status"
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::: * [[Scratch Design Studio]] will stay "Scratch Design Studio"
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:: Any objections? [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]]) 18:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::It's ironic that I have to be this person this time.
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:::[[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 96#A talk about capitalization of article titles|I brought this up]] nearly 3 years ago, and most people agreed that capitalization here is not ideal. However, Scimonster, an admin who predates me by nearly 6 years, came out of inactivity just to push down the idea. He quoted JSO, a founder:
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:::{{quote|I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but I really think this is a change we should not put our efforts and time in. I think the titles look just fine as they are, but most importantly I think it's not worth either breaking every single link ever created to the wiki or messing up the wiki by creating hundreds of redirects.|JSO}}
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:::I appreciate your eagerness to improve the Wiki, but suggesting sweeping radical changes literal hours after being accepted is not the way to go about it.
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:::<small>Also, fight your own fights. Why did you make Groko bring it up instead of posting it yourself?</small>{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 20:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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::::So, we should make sure all pages follow the same capitalization as the title, correct? What about pages with scratchblocks code? Personally, I think we should change them if the scratchblock replaces the bolded words in the intro paragraph, like in [[Set Video Transparency to () (block)]], but leave scratchblocks elsewhere. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 04:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::"I appreciate your eagerness to improve the Wiki, but suggesting sweeping radical changes literal hours after being accepted is not the way to go about it." I do not appreciate the condescending tone here. Especially not when "literal hours" was all I needed to find that multiple blocks were named wrong for over a year and half. I try to be polite and informative. Granted sometimes I fail at this. This attempts neither.
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:::::: I do not agree with the text's capitalization matching the title (although I also disagree with how the titles are, so this may be null to begin with). I also do not think blocks mixed with text is a good idea, especially in introduction. [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]]) 17:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::::If you disagree with the Editing Conventions or titles, you should bring it up in a separate topic (although, as per what Ken said, a change in title case has been suggested and rejected multiple times now). <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 20:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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Back to my original question; the Editing Conventions do not say whether blocks within the article should match the capitalization of the title; it only has guidelines for the bolded words in the intro paragraph. I think that a consistent way to refer to blocks should be added to the Editing Conventions, if one does not already exist. Personally, I think that blocks should all follow title capitalization, or else it would look strange and inconsistent. I also think that inline scratchblocks are fine as well. Thoughts? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 20:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:Changing all names to truth names is a hard job as Ken said before. Yes, the capitalizations might looks like terrible, but also I think ''manually'' create redirects or move some articles are better than ''manually'' move all of them. For example, change "creepy" titles, but don't edit others so much. Maybe should use a Wiki extension - I'm not sure about that is possible, however.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
  
{{done}}
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== Misdirected Request error ==
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{{not done|Moved to [[Scratch Wiki:Bugs]]}}<br/>
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Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.  {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
  
How do you make a new page on the Scratch Wiki on your account?
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== Thankful Thursday! July 30{{th}}, 2020 ==
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{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 030}}
  
<scratchsig>Legogo7777</scratchsig> 03:23, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
:Hi, welcome back to the Wiki! You can just navigate to the subpage e.g. by following [[User:Legogo7777/Sandbox|this redlink]] or typing it into the address bar, then editing and saving the page. Hope that helps :){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== New Curator ==
 
  
The Scratch News needs updated, the new curator is scratch-explored (started Monday, I believe).{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 10:55, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
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The next TT is, August 27{{th}}, see you then!<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 05:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
:jvvg is moving his scripts for his bot (see [[User talk:jvvg]] for more info). An EW may have to change it for now. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 05:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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::Thanks for posting, but this is last month's TT. You probably want to change that? {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 05:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::As the other informal runner of TT, I think jake doesn't mind if I edit the archive number in his post. Thanks for pointing it out!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
  
== The AF Button ==
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== Full names in past revisions of [[Frozen Coco]] ==
  
It is very cluttering and bothersome, I don't like it and it confusioning the new members.
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Although the page is now a redirect to [[Collaboration]], past revisions of the page [[Frozen Coco]] contains full names of several Scratchers. Should those revisions be deleted (an instance of a Scratchers's full name that was their past username was deleted from the list of curators page on this wiki)? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 11:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
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:I'd think yes, since the full names in [[Collaboration (group)]] were removed by someone who was mentioned in the article. However, this would also mean that several revisions of [[Collaboration (group)]] would have to be deleted too.<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
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::I've left a message on Ken's talk page referring him to this discussion. Thanks for pointing this out, Jammum!<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
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:They '''should''' be deleted according to [[CG]] except like [[User:mtwoll]] and [[S:DISCORD]]. I think if someone wants to delete, admins can delete them; but no more than that.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 17:27, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::I'd like to delegate a little - could someone with more time or willpower find the specific (inclusive) start and end revisions where full names are mentioned, so that I can delete all the ones in between? Thanks.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::Yep! [[Special:Diff/72761]] to [[Special:Diff/238261]]. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Thanks, I hid all the revisions between them (inclusive) and also found the revisions in [[Frozen Coco]] that had full names myself and hid those. Thanks to everyone for your efforts and escalation! {{done}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::::(Bigpuppy, now that you're admin you can handle issues like this yourself as well, just so you know {{e|:)}}){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 12:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
  
Please remove
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== Promoting Bigpuppy ==
<scratchsig>DeleteThisAcount</scratchsig> 11:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:what in salamander Jimmy's name are you talking about
 
:also nobody will do anything if you ask them like that, can you ask more nicely?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:34, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::I think he means the little teeny tiny April Fools' button? Somehow cluttering pages (in a space that is essentially ineditable)? That we just added?
 
::<small><small><small><small>what in salamander Jimmy's name</small></small></small></small>{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 23:16, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I think DeleteThisAcount possibly clicked "New topic" or "Send a message" button and could not remove.I will create a topic on DeleteThisAcount's talk page.
 
:::<small><small><small><small>what in salamander Jimmy's name(What's meaning of this?)</small></small></small></small><scratchsig>Ahmetlii</scratchsig> 23:48, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::::The AF button in the corner is confusing and cluttering pages?
 
::::<small><small><small>what in salamander Jimmy's name(it means that something could not be understood lol)</small></small></small> <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::"what in the name of X" or "what in X's name" just means something along the lines of "what on earth" - it's a way of emphasizing "what". "Salamander Jimmy" is something {{user|Turkey3|name}} once said on the CP.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 12:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::: Sorry so much for how the message was delivered, I was half asleep. I believe I was refering to the little rage icon on the front page that brings you to the April Fools pages. I thought that it was cluttering up the otherwise clean front page of the wiki. (And also with something that someone somewhere might consider to be rude as the icon shows a person saying the first two letters of a very not so nice word) <scratchsig>DeleteThisAcount</scratchsig> 20:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::::I can agree to that, it is kind of cluttered and I would rather have it gone. <scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|7}} Maybe this button could be moved somewhere? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:57, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:First off, does it actually bother anyone that much? I don't notice it at all - it's a white image on a light background.
 
:Second, if you were to look at the full-sized image you would see that the icon actually says "APRIL FOOOOOOOOOOOOOLS DAYYY" rather than what you think.
 
:Third, I partially meant that icon as a way of introducing the idea of April Fools' pages to people who actually notice it - a fun thing to find out, like "hey the Wiki does April Fools too".
 
:Fourth, the other purpose of the icon is its main one - a convenient link to the April Fools' version of the page. It's much harder to type "Scratch Wiki:April Fools/Scratch Wiki Home" into the address bar than it is to click "Scratch Wiki Home" then the rage icon.
 
:I like it where it is; I guess I'm not strongly opposed to moving it somewhere else on the main page, but it serves its purpose best in its current state.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Suggestion for a new Scratch block: StringBuilder‎‎ ==
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Hi all,
<big>Hello fellow Scratch Wiki users,</big>
 
  
I’ve been using Scratch over the past couple of years and I noticed something quite frustrating: Text.
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We, (some of) the current Experienced Wikians, admins, and bureaucrats, have been in discussion.
It is really hard to portray graphical text in scratch that can easily be modified(ex. a sprite that dynamically changes it’s text based on the user input.)
 
  
Right now, there are only a few, limited choices with drawbacks:
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{{user|Bigpuppy}} has been an excellent and active EW, as I'm sure anyone in the community can agree (and judging by [[S:TT|Thankful Thursday]] contributions, some people agree to quite a large extent). However, at times it seems that he is limited by the lack of tools he has access to - protection, in particular, comes to mind as something he still has to ask higher-ups for, when really it's a day-to-day task that he is perfectly capable of handling himself.
  
1) <u>Using the say block</u>
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With that in mind, we think it's in the best interest to give bigpuppy the sysop usergroup. However, since this is more out of context than most other promotions that have happened in history, we've decided to use the precedent that scmb1 set when promoting jvvg: put it to a vote.
  
Using the say block will trigger the particular sprite to mention user-specified text(ex. Hello!). This method is simple, and easily able to dynamically change, but it comes with a few drawbacks. It is really hard in itself to customize the text, in ways like changing the size, color, and font. Furthermore, the text will always appear in a text bubble above the existing sprite, hindering it’s usability in many programs.
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'''Vote''' {{done|Yes}} '''or''' {{not done|No}} '''for whether to promote bigpuppy to administrator.''' There's no particular voting period, I'll just make the decision after I think enough people have voted to make the community opinion clear.
  
2) <u> Preparing code to make dynamic text </u>
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I'll start: I vote {{done|Yes}}.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Yes}} - definitely! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Yes}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|Yes}} - Absolutely, Bigpuppy has been a great EW!{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 07:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::Bigpuppy, you can vote for yourself too, by the way - if you don't want to be an admin, just vote no and we'll forget the whole thing. I don't want to thrust administratorship upon you without your consent. I will, however, assume you're happy to be admin.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 11:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::{{done|Yes}} I completely agree. <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 12:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::{{done|Yes}} 100% Yes<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 13:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::{{done|Yes}}! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 13:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::::{{done|Yes}} definitely<scratchsig>Godslamb</scratchsig> 16:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}}{{done|Yes!}} Absolutely, he's really helpful! <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 16:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:{{done|yes}}{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 17:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::{{done|Yes}} We truly wouldn't know what we'd do without you. {{smile}} <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::I'm not going to vote, since that feels odd, but I feel like I should say ''something:'' thank you for the opportunity, Ken and everyone else. Whether or not this vote comes out as successful, I will know that whatever gets decided is what the community thinks is best. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::The community has spoken, and all I see is overwhelming approval. {{done|Bigpuppy, you have now been made an admin!}} You can take a look at the new permissions you have [[Special:ListGroupRights#sysop|here]]. I'm sure you will do well with them. Thank you for all your contributions to date, and here's to many more!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::Well done Bigpuppy! You deserve it! {{e|:)}} <scratchsig>Filmlover12</scratchsig> 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::::Thanks everyone! I hope to do well in this role! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|::::::}}
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If I saw it earlier, I would've said {{done|Yes}}. Congrats anyway! {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 19:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
  
In addition, people using scratch can develop their own typography to display dynamically. The procedure can be done by making the 26 costumes in an “Alphabet” sprite either by hand or using the existing typography. After the process, a “cloning” function can be made to generate the desired text. This is the other alternative to using speech bubbles, and it appears in various other types of  games. Unfortunately, it is really hard customizing features like size and font, because every other costume will be needed to be changed into the desired style. Moreover, getting the word function to actually work can
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== Raspberry Pi Extensions ==
also be a problem.
 
  
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According to [https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/scratch-3-desktop-for-raspbian-on-raspberry-pi/ this], there are 3 [[Scratch Extensions]] that are only available on the Raspberry Pi offline version of Scratch. They are a GPIO extension, a Sense HAT extension and a Simple Electronics extension. Would they be notable enough to have Wiki Articles about them? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 10:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:Wouldn't that be a violation of [[S:NOSP]]? <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 14:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::If I know right, Scratch Wiki isn't accepting user-generated extensions anymore except the old ones. Also, I'm not sure about notability.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 15:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)<small>(edited)</small>
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:::@Garnetluvcookie {{-}} it says in the article that Jammum linked "... Scratch 3 was released in January this year, and since then we and the Scratch team have put lots of work into creating an offline version for Raspberry Pi." If the Scratch Team was working on it too, I think that it is not a violation of [[S:NOSP]].
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:::@ahmetlii {{-}} Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's for user-generated Scratch extensions (e.g. [[Insanity (Scratch modification)|Insanity]]). We still have articles about things like the [[Pen Extension]] and [[Video Sensing Extension]].
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:::@Jammum {{-}} I'm not sure whether they are notable enough either. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::: I would say that anything in ''official Scratch releases'' is beyond question of notability, even if only available on some platforms, it is not user-generated content. <small>''-unsigned comment by {{user|Naleksuh}}''</small>
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{{outdent|5}}
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Changed "the extensions" to "user-generated extensions". Sorry for confusion. :){{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 10:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:RPi extensions must be documented, because they were worked on by the ST themselves. Naleksuh and Bigpuppy are correct here. Please go ahead and make those articles. My only RPi uses Raspbian Lite with no desktop, so I can't look at the extensions myself, unfortunately - if anyone has the full Raspbian on an RPi, I'd love to see some info on the extensions!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 13:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:: " Naleksuh and Bigpuppy are correct here." Me and bigpuppy said opposite things though. I assume that you mean it is notable, while bigpuppy had said that it wasn't. In any case, I myself do have a Raspberry Pi and under the grounds that they are notable will be creating these articles :) <small>''-unsigned comment by {{user|Naleksuh}}''</small>
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:::I said that I ''wasn't sure'' whether it was notable. {{e|;)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
  
<u><big> A hybrid of some sorts should be made, to further enhance the efficiency of the Scratch language we have come to know and love!</big></u>
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== Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically ==
  
<u><big>StringBuilder!</big></u>
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{{not done}}<br/>It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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:TemplatesFTW [[Special:Diff/254239|already does that]]; or do you mean a different way of automating it? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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::Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::@ContourLines  {{-}} you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, [[S:STYLE]] says not to use the external link markup (see [[Scratch Wiki:Style Guide#internal-scratch-links|#internal-scratch-links]]). You can use <code><nowiki>[[users:USERNAME]]</nowiki></code> for users, <code><nowiki>[[studios:ID]]</nowiki></code> for studios, and <code><nowiki>[[projects:ID]]</nowiki></code> for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to [[S:STYLE]] (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
  
My proposed idea, StringBuilder, can be a hybrid between the two options, having the ease of dynamically changing and generating the text itself with having it being it’s own sprite!
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== Suggestion: Have a dedicated page for feedback on the account request system ==
  
To elaborate, StringBuilder should be a special type of sprite put into the “Add Sprite” button, so that users can get it themselves. It should also come with it’s own blocks and settings.
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{{not done}}
 
 
<scratchblocks>
 
when green flag clicked
 
set StringBuilder text to [Hello World]
 
set StringBuilder height = [100]
 
set StringBuilder font to [Arial v]
 
set StringBuilder language to [English v]
 
set StringBuilder color to Red: [0] Green: [0] Blue: [0]
 
add[hello] to [StringBuilder 1 v] starting at index (1)
 
remove String at index (1) for [StringBuilder 1 v]
 
wrap text when <>
 
</scratchblocks>
 
  
I know these blocks aren’t perfect, so I am open to new suggestions!
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I was browsing through some old CP archives, and one of the topics reminded me of a suggestion I thought of earlier. My suggestion may have been partly inspired by an account request I reviewed that included feedback on the account request system.
  
Thank You,
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Currently, I leave users one of two messages if I accept their account request. I use this one if their request meets all the requirements already (I have preserved the external links, since this is how I post it on the Scratch website):
<big>Dewball</big>
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{{quote|Hello, (USERNAME). Congratulations - your Scratch Wiki account request was accepted! You can log in here with the password sent to your email address: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Login Begin here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:NEW Make sure to follow the guidelines, shown at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:GUIDES. If you have questions, visit https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:FAQ and if they aren't answered there, feel free to ask me or any other Wikian! Have fun!}}
  
:Hi Dewball! Sorry, but suggestions for Scratch are more suitable in the [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/1/ Suggestions Forum]. I've moved your page to a topic on the CP here. In the future, for Wiki-related topics use the Community Portal. For Scratch-related topics, use the [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss Discussion Forums]. Don't create an article about it! Thanks! {{e|:)}}
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Now, some people inevitably miss something in [[S:CONTRIB]]. When we're reviewing account requests, and someone seems to have put in effort and has not missed too much of S:CONTRIB, we first put their request on hold. We comment on their profile and ask them further questions. If they satisfy the requirements after replying to our comment(s), we accept their request. This is all outlined in [[Scratch Wiki:Become a contributor/Admin Guide]].
:<small>For other editors who are wondering about this, it was originally created on a mainspace article then moved to a topic here.</small><scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== AF Home new News ==
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This is the comment I leave on people's profiles if I first put their request on hold and then accept it:
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{{quote|Thanks, that's all. Congratulations - your Scratch Wiki account request was accepted! You can log in here with the password sent to your email address: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Login Begin here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:NEW Make sure to follow the guidelines, shown at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:GUIDES. If you have questions, visit https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:FAQ and if they aren't answered there, feel free to ask me or any other Wikian! Have fun!}}
  
What if we add new News to the April's Fools home? <scratchsig>Scramaso</scratchsig> 14:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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Some Experienced Wikians have a slight variation of this message, but we all link them to [[Special:Login]], [[S:NEW]], [[S:GUIDES]], and [[S:FAQ]] (or other shortcuts that link to those pages). Now, why am I mentioning the messages that I use when accepting someone's account request? Well, because those may be changed if my suggestion gets implemented.
:Nothing stopping you! The AF news aren't protected.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:48, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Protect Welcome pages from New Wikians ==
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What is my suggestion? Well, in short, I think we should have a dedicated page for feedback on our account request system. As a wiki, we should always be looking to improve; and this is a way to do it. People can already give feedback on the account request system (or anything else wiki-related, for that matter) in the CP, but feedback is not actively facilitated. This is why I think we should have a dedicated page.
  
I recently reverted 2 edits that a New Wikian made. They were presumably test edits, but I think they could be mistaken for vandalising. To prevent edits like these, I think the Welcome pages (except the talk page for testing making talk page edits) should be protected from New Wikians, so they cannot make edits like those again. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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This page would be specifically designed to be easy-to-use for people who are new to the Scratch Wiki and wikis in general. Users would be able to click a link or button, and the "new section" interface would be filled with a form where they could insert their feedback. The user's signature would be automatically inserted at the end. It would be similar to [https://en.scratch-wiki.info/w/index.php?title=Scratch_Wiki_talk:Elections/October_2019/Nominations&action=edit&section=new&preload=Scratch_Wiki_talk:Elections/October_2019/Nominations/Template the link users click] to nominate themselves for an EW election.
:I agree, however they aren't really high traffic pages. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:40, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done}} - protected all the subject pages and none of the talk pages.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
 
  
== Thankful Thursday! November 4{{th}}, 2019 ==
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However, I don't think that the page should just ''exist'' {{-}} I think we should actively make New Wikians aware of it. When someone gets accepted, the account request system is fresh in their mind, and they may have some ideas on how to improve it. However, they may not know where they can put that feedback, or may be too nervous to make us aware of it. My first thought was to add a link to the page to the messages used when accepting users. If we feel that that already has too much information, we could also add it to [[S:WELCOME]].
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 022}}
 
  
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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Of course, all of this is subject to change. What do y'all think of this idea? Is it a good one? A bad one? Do you have any ideas to make it better? Everyone's feedback is equally valued. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:[[Project talk:Become a contributor]] <br /><small>''-unsigned comment by {{user|Naleksuh}}''</small>
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::Thanks for your comment. However, did you read my whole suggestion? That page does not include everything I suggested. Plus, my suggestion would not encompass feedback on ''just'' [[S:CONTRIB]], but also on the [[Special:RequestAccount]] interface, how we manage account requests, etc. {{e|:)}} Thank you for reminding me of that page, though! {{e|:)}} <br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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::: I understood what you were saying. However it may have been my fault for including only a link instead of an additional explanation. My point here was that I do not believe a whole new page is necessary, but that the existing page should suffice, and that discussions there can be extended to this new ground (since Special pages do not have talk pages). b<br /><small>''-unsigned comment by {{user|Naleksuh}}''</small>
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::::Alright. So, assuming that we would not create a whole new page, but rather extend that page to be about feedback on the account request system in general, what do you think of my other suggestions (e.g. actively facilitating feedback, making the page easy to use even for people new to wikis, etc.)? Thank you for your quick response, by the way {{-}} it is greatly appreciated. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I think these are good suggestions! it's a good idea to actively facilitate feedback from New Wikians, and putting a link in the acceptance or welcome message will hopefully make them aware of the page. We could probably add the button which you suggested that automatically creates a form to the top of the [[Scratch Wiki talk:Become a contributor|S:CONTRIB talk page]], and/or have the link do it automatically. I think we should also create a shortcut for the talk page if possible, if this suggestion gets implemented. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 22:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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{{outdent|5}}Great! I've created a draft of what the feedback page could look like [[User:Bigpuppy/Account Request Feedback|here]]. (As we've discussed, the feedback page might be the [[S:CONTRIB]] talk page.) I also think it might be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Project for this. The users assigned to the project would be in charge of creating the page and maintaining it. The job of maintaining it might include:
  
The next TT is November 28{{th}}. See you then!
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* Observing how users use the page, and finding ways to improve the user experience
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* Answering users' questions about how to provide feedback
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* Archiving old feedback sections
  
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 14:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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If you would like to participate, feel free to add your name [[User:Bigpuppy/Account Request Feedback/project|here]]! You don't have to process account requests to be a part of this Scratch Wiki Project!
:{{done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 14:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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{{User:Bigpuppy/Account Request Feedback/project}}
  
==Just trying to help...==
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Feel free to make edits to [[User:Bigpuppy/Account Request Feedback|the draft of the feedback page]] as you see fit. {{e|:)}}
{{done}}
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<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 05:38, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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::: So, this is expected to post to [[Project_talk:Become_a_contributor]]? If so, I see few objections to this, although I would have preferred a single section myself. It might also help to say what you are planning to do with the responses. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 05:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't the front page section '''Scratch Program''' be '''The Scratch Program'''? This is a tiny edit, so it won't take long.
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::::Having it as the talk page of [[S:CONTRIB]] is a possibility. It all depends on what we want to do. Currently, I'm keeping it in my userspace since it's just a draft.
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::::For the second part of your post, could you clarify what you mean? We will find trends in the responses, then propose changes to the account request system if those trends are major enough. Thanks! (Would you like to join the SWP?) {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 05:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
:Hi, your signature was somehow broken. Maybe using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>?
 
:I think "the" can be omitted in that case. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:: Okay Apple. I tried using the tildies.
 
:: On the other hand, ok. Are you sure that is grammatically correct? I'm not very sure, though I'm not exactly the best at Grammer... <scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 20:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I don't think that the title should be grammatically correct as it is just a title... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 02:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::In my opinion, it doesn't really matter much. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 02:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't think it really matters.{{User:Ajsya/Siggy}} 01:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 
==Scratch program image==
 
{{not done}} <br />
 
The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
 
<scratchsig> Mohie </scratchsig>
 
:Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
 
:Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.{{unsigned|12944qwerty}}
 
::He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in [[Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents]] needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this? <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
 
:::And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.
 
<scratchsig>Mohie</scratchsig> 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Raw Watchlist ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
Whenever I edit the raw watchlist, any user talk and main page talk pages are removed whenever I save. Are the talk pages automatically watched underneath the main pages? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:Watching any page automatically watches its corresponding subject/talk page too. Thus watching the CP also watches [[Scratch Wiki:Community Portal]].{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:37, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:: Okay, thanks <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:50, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Privacy Policy Article ==
 
 
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
We should probably delete [[Privacy Policy|this article]]. It's just a copy of the Scratch Privacy Policy and doesn't add anything to it. Furthermore, the article is outdated and is actually (presumably) the old Scratch Privacy Policy.
 
 
 
I don't want to delete an article without asking some more experienced people first, and I don't know if I even have the permission to delete articles. What do you guys think? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 00:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:I think it should be deleted. We could make an FAQ page, saying "What is Scratch's privacy policy?", give a short answer, and link to the full thing.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 01:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::This would be better in [[Talk:Privacy Policy]], but okay.
 
::I'm gonna have to wait for Ken's response on this, though I do agree with your argument. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I did make a post on the talk page, but I wanted more people to see it <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I think that EIephant_Lover's idea is good, but instead of deleting the page, we could just replace the current article with a short synopsis of the policy and a link, along with a disclaimer that "this is not a substitute for the actual Privacy Policy." <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 21:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::Our article is 5th in rank in Google search results for "scratch privacy policy" (at least in my region), so I think if any redirecting happens it should be to the current title.
 
:::::The ideal solution is to add our own content regarding the privacy policy. Could we explain each clause of the policy rather than (or in addition to) directly quoting it? Maybe give examples, or make the meaning clearer? I'm loath to delete an article that should have good use but just doesn't at the moment.
 
:::::Side note: if you already posted on its talk page, and nobody responded, I think it's fair to get more attention on the issue by bringing it up here. You (Groko13) did the right thing here.
 
:::::If there's no content that can be added, I still think it should stay - I don't actually have a problem with it being a straight-up copy of the Scratch policy - but I agree with Groko13 in adding a disclaimer that "this is not the actual Scratch privacy policy", and I would furthermore recommend adding another disclaimer that "this is not the Wiki privacy policy, that can be found [[:de:Project:Datenschutz|here]]".
 
:::::Sound good?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 01:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Okay, I'll start work on updating the article and adding some additional information. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 17:12, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}Correct me if I'm wrong (I feel like I'm missing something here), but isn't [[:de:Project:Datenschutz|that]] the link the the Privacy Policy for the German Scratch Wiki? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 03:18, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:Yup! Pretty sure it is... <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 03:22, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::@Groko13 I see your edits to the article, but we don't have an actual privacy policy on the English Scratch Wiki, the German one does. Sorry if I confused you. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 04:37, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::If we don't have a privacy policy in English, though, wouldn't that be technically also be the English (and every) Scratch Wiki Privacy Policy? If not, we really need a privacy policy. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 13:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::The German privacy policy is merely for the software GmbH I believe. I'll ask some german editors more about what this is and get back to you. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 18:15, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::So basically, the German policy is the only legal document; that's why we don't have one. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:10, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::So is it the privacy policy for the Scratch Wiki, or what is it for? The GmbH software? Do we need a privacy policy? <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 00:13, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|6}}Okay I messed up. Ignore everything I said.
 
I was just talking with the other editors and we actually do use the German one. Your edits were correct. {{e|:)}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:17, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:Okay, I'll add the link to the Wiki Privacy Policy back in. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 00:19, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::{{done|Already added!}}
 
::<small><small>2fast4u</small></small> <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Yep, I saw that you already added it and got 2 edit conflicts while trying to reply lol :P. Thanks! <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 00:26, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::I got some edit conflicts too lol.
 
::::No need to thank me! Whack me on my talk page with [[User:TenType/Trout]]! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:02, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
{{outdent|::::}}
 
{{outdent|::::}}
To clarify, I linked to the German privacy policy because that is privacy policy for all wikis. It's legally dangerous to translate the privacy policy (as discussed in another topic somewhere, I think) so all wikis just link to it directly. (And no, it's not the privacy policy for Martin's company! That's in another place entirely - it's only that he uses his company address as the "responsible person" address for the Wikis.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
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I'm not sure I see the point of this. I've never heard of anyone having feedback on the account request process, especially not immediately after being accepted. All the changes to the account request system have come from proposals by EWs, as far as I'm aware.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 
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:Right {{-}} that's why we should have a dedicated page for it. {{e|:)}} As I said in my original post:
== Talk page archives ==
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:"When someone gets accepted, the account request system is fresh in their mind, and they may have some ideas on how to improve it. However, they may not know where they can put that feedback, or may be too nervous to make us aware of it."<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 15:53, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
{{Done}}
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::Furthermore, they may not think their thoughts are important enough to point out. Or, they might not think they have feedback, but when we facilitate their feedback, they think of feedback. New users have a unique point of view when it comes to the issue of account requests; thus, I think we should actively facilitate their feedback on the account request system. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 
 
How to archive a talk page?
 
<br />{{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 09:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:This is what I would do:
 
# Copy and delete all the discussions on the talk page
 
# Create a new page called <code>User talk:Dilek/Archive 1</code>
 
# Paste the discussions there with the {{t|archive header}} template
 
# Optional: Ask an admin to protect it
 
:Hopefully I helped! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 16:35, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::Thanks so much!
 
::{{User:Dilek10/Minisig}} 17:11, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Questions about Protection ==
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
What exactly does it mean when you protect a page?  I know that you use the <nowiki>{{Protect}}</nowiki> template and then (if fitting), the page is "locked" (protected).  My question is who can edit it after that? Does it mean that it's only editable by the page creator (owner, if on a userspace) and EW+?  Or nobody can edit it?  Thanks.<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:Marking a page with {{t|protect}} tells admins that the page needs to be protected. To protect a page means to "lock" a page from being edited/moved by normal users based of of their rank. There are 4 levels of protection; one of them includes, EWplus, which only lets EWs, admins, or bureaucrats edit/move the page. Another includes "Autoconfirmed", which only lets an autoconfirmed user or any rank higher than it can edit/move the page, etc. (there are no exceptions to the creator) You can look at [[Help:Protected pages]] for more info. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 05:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::That's exactly the link I was searching for. Thanks! <small>Marked as done.</small><scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 06:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Scratch Wiki Adventure ==
 
{{not done}}
 
 
 
On Wikipedia, there is an option for new Wikians to complete the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Adventure Wikipedia Adventure].  This teaches them skills and covers all the basics of using Wikipedia.  I think it'd be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Adventure of our own to teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki.  This would include editing tips, rules, etiquette, etc.  I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this idea and/or if anyone would like to work with me on creating this.<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 17:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:<b>+1</b> {{e|:D}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::I hope you're prepared to put in the amount of work involved, because The Wikipedia Adventure is really involved (I've [[wikipedia:User:Kenny2wiki|done it]] once before) and a lot of stuff has to be created for it to work. I like the idea, but I don't know if anyone here has the follow-through to actually focus on a project like this that could take a week or more to make.
 
::If you think you can commit yourself (and furthermore get others to commit themselves) you can make a [[Template:SWP|Scratch Wiki Project]] of it. Good luck!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Woohoo; we got bureaucratic approval!  I think we can do it (maybe not ''as'' well as the Wikipedia Adventure, but still good).  I'll start thinkin' up some basic ideas to start us off.  If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know on my [[User talk:54329|talk page]]. {{e|:)}}<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::: Isn’t this going to be a duplicate of the  [[Help:Welcome|welcome tutorial]]? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::::No, the Wikipedia Adventure is really involved and more interactive. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::::Adding on, when I did it, it felt a lot more like a game/activity than a guidebook.  It allows the user to actually collaborate, talk to people and create/edit a page all in a sandbox setting.  It helped me learn the basics of Wikipedia far more than a guide could (probably because I was really interested in it and getting those shiny badges was nice).<scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
{{outdent|::::::}}
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Scratch Wiki Adventure/project}}{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 10:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:I can help some tech stuff maybe? {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 17:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::I can help too! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:33, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::I want to help too, so should I add myself or should 54329 do it as he's the owner? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 01:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::::In reply to both of you: Thanks for offering to help out!  I'll add both of your names to the list. For future people that wish to help: feel free to just add your name under the "Assigned" section. <scratchsig>54329</scratchsig> 05:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Template Preview ==
 
 
 
In the Visual Editor (or maybe in the source editor as well) Wikipedia is able to preview the templates we selected and a preview of the docs of the templates. I constantly get the templates' names wrong (and its syntax) which messes up the looks of the template. I always then have to look for the correct template which takes a lot of time. Having this plugin would help me get the correct template faster, and more efficiently. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 23:06, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:There's a simpler solution: Preview the page before saving it! That'll show you what the template use will look like, as well as what the rest of the page will look like.
 
:If you know the template name, go to the template documentation to learn the syntax. If you don't remember the name, go to [[:Category:Templates]] and look for it there. If you keep forgetting template names, start learning them.
 
:(So that I'm not just providing workarounds: anything to do with Visual Editor is sort of out of our technical capabilities at the moment, though I'm trying to work on that - thanks for the suggestion, but I'm afraid it's somewhat impossible for now.){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 04:55, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Changing Title ==
 
 
 
{{done}}
 
 
 
There is this page called [[How to Make a Clicker]] but I think we have to add "Game" to the title. I don't know how to change titles, so discuss whether we should change it or not here.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:29, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:This discussion would be more suitable on it's [[Talk:How to Make a Clicker|talk page]].
 
:But if you ever want to move a page, there is a option under the pencil dropdown called rename. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 14:55, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::Okay, thanks for informing me. I'll take care of that myself, and won't do a discussion on the talk page because I've decided this is needed.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 12:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== What category should I put this in? ==
 
 
 
Hi, I recently created [[Project_could_not_save|a new article]] about the Project could not save alert that appears when a Scratch project fails to save. <br/>
 
Currently it's in the Scratch 3.0 category, but I'm not sure it should be there. Are there any better categories I could have it in? Thanks, <br/>
 
qucchia <br/>
 
<scratchsig>Qucchia</scratchsig> 17:57, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:We have a whole slew categories! With a list found [[Special:Categories|here]], and a more organized list [[:Category:Scratch Wiki|here]]. Though I would recommend that you use the category [[:Category:Bugs]]. What do you think?<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 22:49, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::@jakel181: Why did you link to the same page twice? The more organized list is [[:Category:Scratch Wiki]]
 
::It's not Scratch's fault if a project can't save, so I don't think Bugs is appropriate. See my topic on its talk page - if made FAQ, then it goes in the FAQ category.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::Whoops! I edited my message. Replied to talk.<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 17:09, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== What is User JS ==
 
 
 
I was reading about what Experienced Wikians can do, and I saw a listing in the All section called <code>(editmyuserjs)</code>. Can anyone tell me what that means?
 
  
<br>[[File:Mrbumppo's Icon.jpg|20px|left]] '''[[User:Mrbumppo|mrbumppo]]''' - | [[Special:Contributions/Mrbumppo|Contribs]] | [[User_talk:Mrbumppo|Talk]] 21:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
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== Is hosting images only for outside the Scratch Wiki allowed? ==
:It is the ability to edit user JavaScript files. Not only EWs have it; everyone does! <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 00:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 
::To give a potentially more useful explanation, your (specific) main user JS file is [[User:Mrbumppo/common.js]], which is a JS file that will run on every Wiki page you visit. (You can create other JS files, but they won't be run unless you load them from your common.js [[User:Kenny2scratch/common.js|the way I do]].) They're an alternative to userscripts, and can also be more powerful because they have access to the [[mw:ResourceLoader/Core modules|MediaWiki JS API]].{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 03:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 
:::OK. Thanks! <br>[[File:Mrbumppo's Icon.jpg|20px|left]] '''[[User:Mrbumppo|mrbumppo]]''' - | [[Special:Contributions/Mrbumppo|Contribs]] | [[User_talk:Mrbumppo|Talk]] 15:37, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
 
<br>
 
== Thankful Thursday! November 28{{th}}, 2019 ==
 
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 023}}
 
  
{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings there own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}
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A user (not naming who) on this wiki made a page in their userspace saying they will host images using the wiki because 'cubeupload is down'. An image on that page seems like it will most likely be used outside the Wiki only. Also, a few months ago, a few images were deleted because they were only used outside the Scratch Wiki.
  
The next TT is December 26{{th}}. See you then!
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So, is it allowed for users to host images for only outside the Scratch Wiki? I think it is not. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
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:No. It is not allowed. I can't find where it says that in the wiki but I know it is not allowed. The Scratch Wiki is not an image hosting service.{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 15:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
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::{{done|No, it is not allowed.}} This hasn't been explicitly codified yet but it's been a rule that the EWs and admins have operated under for quite a while. We're responding here first while we amend the guidelines. Thanks for bringing this up.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 16:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::It could be an issue to state it because people might start to clog up the servers with random images.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 18:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::Perhaps we could add it under [[Scratch Wiki:Guidelines#What the Scratch Wiki is not]] and then add "an image hosting service."{{User:EIephant Lover/Signature}} 15:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::I think that's a good idea, especially if it isn't documented anywhere else yet. <scratchsig>Groko13</scratchsig> 16:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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::::::It's been documented at [[Scratch Wiki:Userspace#User Images]] {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:22, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
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:::::::Just images, though? From my conversation with kenny2scratch, the goal is to combat the use of scratch wiki as a web host in general, whether via images or otherwise. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 05:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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== Why won't my custom sig work? ==
  
<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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I have my sig set to be [[User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig|<nowiki>{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}}</nowiki>]] but why won't my custom sig show up when signing? <scratchsig>Garnetluvcookie</scratchsig> 20:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{not done}}<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 16:25, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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:Have you either:
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* Not treated it as wikitext, if not, it won't work
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* Forgotten to save it
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:Also, I recommend you make a minisig so that you don't leak wikimarkup everywhere when posting. All you have to do is create a new file and embed the signature it and use that when adjusting your preferences.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Done.
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

No Never Done

See dedicated subpage
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Tinkercad Codeblocks

Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
LiamSapp123 (talk | contribs) 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Maybe we should have one about Blockly
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I agree that we should make one on Blockly.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
No Further discussion needed
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Scratch program image

No Not done
The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
Mohie (talk | contribs)

Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.
-unsigned comment by 12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this?
TenType (talk | contribs) 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.


Mohie (talk | contribs) 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Adventure

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On Wikipedia, there is an option for new Wikians to complete the Wikipedia Adventure. This teaches them skills and covers all the basics of using Wikipedia. I think it'd be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Adventure of our own to teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki. This would include editing tips, rules, etiquette, etc. I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this idea and/or if anyone would like to work with me on creating this.
54329 (talk | contribs) 17:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

+1 :D
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
I hope you're prepared to put in the amount of work involved, because The Wikipedia Adventure is really involved (I've done it once before) and a lot of stuff has to be created for it to work. I like the idea, but I don't know if anyone here has the follow-through to actually focus on a project like this that could take a week or more to make.
If you think you can commit yourself (and furthermore get others to commit themselves) you can make a Scratch Wiki Project of it. Good luck!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Woohoo; we got bureaucratic approval! I think we can do it (maybe not as well as the Wikipedia Adventure, but still good). I'll start thinkin' up some basic ideas to start us off. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know on my talk page. :)
54329 (talk | contribs) 05:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Isn’t this going to be a duplicate of the welcome tutorial?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 06:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
No, the Wikipedia Adventure is really involved and more interactive.
TenType (talk | contribs) 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Adding on, when I did it, it felt a lot more like a game/activity than a guidebook. It allows the user to actually collaborate, talk to people and create/edit a page all in a sandbox setting. It helped me learn the basics of Wikipedia far more than a guide could (probably because I was really interested in it and getting those shiny badges was nice).
54329 (talk | contribs) 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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SWP 003 - Scratch Wiki Adventure
DescriptionStatusOwnerStartedLinks
Create the Scratch Wiki Adventure "game" to help teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki in a fun, interactive setting. Creating files for interactive tour...
  • Owner: 54329
  • Assigned:
    • TenType
    • 12944qwerty
    • Apple502j
    • Scratch-Coding
    • Jammum
    • Dominic305
    • JJBullet
    • Kenny2scratch
    • Nambaseking01
    • GrahamSH
    • ahmetlii
11/21/2019Project results
Project page
Project discussion


Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I can help some tech stuff maybe?
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 17:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
I can help too!
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:33, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
I want to help too, so should I add myself or should 54329 do it as he's the owner?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  01:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
In reply to both of you: Thanks for offering to help out! I'll add both of your names to the list. For future people that wish to help: feel free to just add your name under the "Assigned" section.
54329 (talk | contribs) 05:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at User:Bigpuppy/Quests. :) It seems like this would be very different than that, though. Cool-cat-emoji.png Good idea!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────That's super cool that you made a quests page. This will be semi-similar. Feel free to stop by if you have any ideas for it. wink wink
54329 (talk | contribs) 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC) We could make a scratch project and link it when people get welcome notficiations on their talk page.
ACS_Scratch_admin (talk | contribs) 14:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

2.0 Image Updating

A lot of images here need updating to 3.0. For example, the editor in the TOC, many Scratch Cats, etc. When will this be done?
Scramaso (talk | contribs) 10:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I've asked an admin to update the TOC image. Not sure about the other ones.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 16:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
There's not a set time when this will be done. It will be done gradually. Any time you see an image that needs updated, feel free to update it (but be sure to compress, crop, etc. the file).
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
01:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Why won’t this table work?

No Not done

Link: User:Waffle_Iron_Studios/ScratchNet shop page
Waffle_Iron_Studios (talk | contribs) 21:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I think it's because the table does not have any line-breaks. See this.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 07:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Mention that the Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in German

Currently, the links under the 'Legal' category do not are not mentioned that they are in German. I suggest that the footer mentions that the content under the Legal category are in German.

Without mentioning that, some people might be confused that they are in German, and not English. They also cannot be translated into English without it being inaccurate.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 13:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Why would they be German?
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 16:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
The Wiki servers are located in Germany and therefore follow the rules/regulations of Germany.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Would you be amenable to using the external link marker on them instead? Putting "(German)" on a footer link seems unorthodox...
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
The servers are German because they are owned by Martin Wollenweber, who lives in Germany.
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Maybe the Privacy Policy and the Disclaimers can be individually labelled that they are in German, or is that still 'unorthodox'? They could have 'in German' put in brackets after them.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 13:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I think it's fine the way it is, but it should get translated for other wikis so we know what happens to our data.
-- Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,425)  Scratch  Directory 
17:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Did you read the OP? They can't be translated accurately.

Having a notice at the top of the actual pages saying something similar to what I say on my userpage (the "many other wikis link here" thing), ideally translated into everything, would also be fine for me - I'm only opposed to changing the footer.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki YT Channel

Hi everyone! I wanted to put a little feeler out there to see who was interested in participating/creating content for a possible Scratch Wiki YT Channel. We would publish wiki-like content within YT's video format. We could then link to this content from within the Wiki. You could for example create a Scratch tutorial, run-through a certain block or feature, or discuss a recent community venture you participated in. If y'all are interested in seeing this idea come to fruition, please comment to express your interest and volunteer yourself for content creation. Thanks!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I think that this would compete with the Scratch Wiki Adventure though...
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  15:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I don't really see much benefit in it. Why would we need this? We already have Wiki Wednesday.
-- Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,425)  Scratch  Directory 
15:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Well we would be able to produce varied content aside from Wiki Wednesday. People have also suggested tutorials for S:WELCOME to me privately. We'd be modeling it in some regards to Wikipedia's YT Channel.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 16:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm interested! But... What do you mean by "volunteer yourself for content creation"? Is there a specific page to apply?
Dilek's Wiki Signature Picture.pngDilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page
I'm interested too — I'd like to help make a few videos. I already have a YouTube channel but I can't share it because of my real name and face reveal. I'm just ten years, but I don't think that will affect anything as I enjoy talking on-camera and a lot of people tell me I have a talent for vlogging / gaming (not to brag though). I also have a Scratch tutorial series, so I already have some experience with it.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
I am interested, too! I have a channel already. How do I start?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 19:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Add a "sandbox" option in the user pull-down on the header

No Not done

My suggestion is above — that's pretty much it. When you click on your username, you would see your username, "Talk," "Preferences," "Watchlist," "Contributions," "Log out," and "Sandbox" thrown somewhere in there. "Sandbox" would direct you to your personal sandbox, not the public sandbox. If the user hasn't created their sandbox, it would direct them to the page to create it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like a cool feature. +1!
Dilek's Wiki Signature Picture.pngDilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page 17:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
I think it's a good idea, but I think we can create a disambiguation page rather than direct to the personal sandbox. However, +1!
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 18:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia has this, but this is actually harder to implement than you might think - the skin does not hardcode the user dropdown links, they are generated by MediaWiki itself. Adding the sandbox link would require a hook somewhere in LocalSettings.php and that might mess up some rhythms. There could be a link in the For Editors box, though! Special:MyPage/Sandbox is a handy link. What say y'all?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
18:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I think that's a good alternative then! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Good idea!
TenType (talk | contribs) 18:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── +1!:)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Ken, any update on this? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Since 3 months, there's not an update; so I created my script for add Sandbox option but it's only working for Vector skin.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
09:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies

When Wiki Wednesdays are mentioned on the Scratch News on the homepage, some users' replies contain spam such as blockspam.

I suggest that at the end of each Wiki Wednesday initial post, it should say that when replying, users should not spam. It could also give the definition of what is considered spam (such as offtopic blocks, gibberish, emoji testing, etc.), so users will less likely be confused about what spam is (other than the food product of the same name), that spam could be reported, and that block testing and project advertisements go in the Forum blocks testing topic and the Show and Tell forum respectively.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 09:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

It's a good idea - and I agree with you, but I think that's not a exact solution manner. As an example, lots of announcements and sticky topics (Wiki Forum Community Portal) are getting blockspam; some people, like me, TenType, SausageMcSausage or ST, warn them, but I see a new spam everyday when I check Wiki Forum Community Portal. Also, nobody don't write aggressive posts for warn users; for example, don't write "DON'T MAKE BLOCKSPAM OR SOMEBODY MAY WARN YOU(ME OR ANYBODY ELSE)". I think WW could include a link to here.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
11:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


Discussion Invitation System

Yes Done

Hi folks! On the topic of reviving S:CPND, I have another suggestion. My previous suggestion (collapsing discussions) got implemented, but it is a very minor change. As someone who usually updates the featured images, I was thinking about a discussion that I personally would like people to participate in, Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions. That specific discussion has been going on since August 2018 and it hasn't yet come to a conclusion.

I think I've come up with something that may help solve the Not Done problem. Well, I didn't exactly come up with it, because I got the idea from Wikipedia's Feedback request service. As I understand it, with Wikipedia's Feedback request service, when a discussion needs an outside editor to provide comment, a bot comments on the talk page of someone who has added their name to the list. I'd like to make it clear: my suggestion would not require a bot. Wikipedia needs stuff like that because it's giant.

Basically, when a discussion is going stale or needs a few more editors to provide feedback, a proactive editor can comment the Discussion Invitation template (currently at User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/Template) on a few user talk pages of people who have signed up to be invited to discussions.

Here are some examples of when this would be useful:

  • For asking editors to participate in a S:CP or S:CPND discussion that has gone inactive or that has a deadline
  • For asking editors their opinion on a discussion on the talk page of an article that only a few people are participating in

I think this will help with more than reviving S:CPND, though — it will help on any discussion that isn't getting the attention it deserves.

I've decided to start this program up in my userspace, though if people like it maybe it can be moved to project space (the Scratch Wiki namespace). The list of people who have signed up is currently at User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/List (as of writing, only me). If you'd like to sign up, please do!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 19:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
It could be a good idea, but I'm not sure that it's really matter. As you said before, Wikipedia is a big place and a lot of discussion creators in S:CPND is inactive/quitted Scratch. Also, I think a lot of the discussions are not necessary. For example, are you think "Secret Compliments" important today? Also, asqwde has been inactive since 8 months.
I'm supporting main idea, also it can be helpful for usual stuffs, but also nobody cannot use it for old Not Done topics. Additionally, I suggest another idea; Scratch Wiki could have multiple portals. For example; Scratch Modifications portal, Extensions portal, etc. Maybe not for now, but it could be helpful when discussions are too much.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, I don't think that it matters that some people in S:CPND are inactive; that doesn't mean their discussions aren't relevant anymore. As for the discussions that you don't think are relevant anymore, like "Secret Compliments," you should discuss that in the appropriate section at S:CPND and make sure people agree with you. You could get people to add to the discussion on whether they are relevant anymore using the system I suggested ;)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
I just used the system on the talk pages of the two people (other than me) who signed up:
Keep in mind that in the future, people would not message everyone on the list (because hopefully lots of people sign up!), but rather message the number of people that they need.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to see people using the system already! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Also, I added {{open userpage}} to all of the Discussion Invitation System pages except the template, so feel free to improve any of them!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Oh yes, I remember when I first suggested that. I was thinking about it recently actually - what a coincidence!

I would like to add my name to the list, however one quick thing: why do we link to our Scratch profiles and not our Wiki profiles, or perhaps our Wiki talk page? Surely linking to our userpage would make a lot more sense, unless there is a specific reasoning for not doing this that I am not understanding.

In any case, I think this is a fantastic idea. Glad to see it's working already! Thanks for taking this on, bigpuppy. :)
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 15:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Where do people link to their Scratch profiles? On the list page, we are using the {{user}} template, which adds a link to the user's userpage and talk page. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Wait, nevermind. I saw {{users}} in the code, and mistook it to be the new [[users:]] interwiki, which points to their Scratch profile. Whoops!
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 23:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── How did I completely miss this? I've moved everything into official namespaces and cleaned up stuff a bit. Thanks for proposing!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
02:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! This CP topic is now Yes Done. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 03:08, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

When are we planning to implement the new Flawed Article?

No Not done

Per title.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you should ask jvvg. Has there been a discussion about it elsewhere? I'm not sure if the article is finished yet.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
I think it is done you should ask jvvg he made it
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 14:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

More Featured Images!

Yes Done

The featured images were just updated, so does anyone have any new suggestions for next time? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 03:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Here's two images: 1 and 2. I don't know if these have been used in the past or not. Maybe we should start keeping a list. Is there any rule against reusing images?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
If images have the {{featured}} template on them, they have been used before. That said, there may have been some times where we forgot to add that template.
As for whether there's a rule against re-using images, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing the {{featured}} template doesn't support such a case currently.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! Before I thought that the template was only for WW articles.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 18:03, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Since no one else gave any suggestions, here's three more: 1 2 3
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 01:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Groko13, which three of these do you think should be featured? I personally think File:Transparent Stamps.png, File:Gobo Keychain.jpg, and File:Video Sensing Extension.jpeg would be good. Do you think so as well, or do you have a different opinion? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Sure, that sounds good! Thanks for updating the images! :)
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:00, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yes Done, if you see an error please let me know. Thanks for suggesting these! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Constructiveness in Community Portal - An Idea

Hello there!

In case you didn't know, I'm a Forum Helper (https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/3688309/) on Scratch, which means I generally help out on the the Scratch discussion forums. One day, I headed over to the Community Portal and it seemed like a sort of "discussion forums" within the Scratch Wiki, and I understand that the concept is different, but for me it personally seemed that way.

Anyways, I mostly help around a lot on the Suggestions forum, which, yet again, redirects to the Community Portal since there are a lot of suggestions for the Scratch Wiki here. One difference is though, that the Scratch Team and some Scratchers (like me) enforce the rule of "constructiveness" while making posts, and I'm pretty sure most of you know what that means but I'll just clarify:

  • It means that one does not simply post "Support!", "Good idea!", or "+1!" and explain why they like the suggestion, that they provoke discussion, and look for possible issues instead of continuosly leaning on one side, like "I love this suggestion" or "I hate this suggestion"
  • It means that one does not simply add one sentence to act as if their post is constructive. For example, "Support, because this might be useful for many Wikians!" seems constructive but it isn't really constructive, because they're not stating how it would be useful for many Wikians or why it would be.

Now, I've been looking around in the CP, and I've been seeing a couple of responses just saying "+1!" or merely "Support!" without provoking any further discussion and merely showing your satisfaction. So I thought, maybe, we could enforce the constructive rule on the CP as well. Especially because the ideas here much more mature and complex, and not like Scratch where it's just new blocks or random new features.

I do agree that many people are already following this rule, but maybe just enforce it more? I do think it'll be incredibly helpful for the type of suggestions being given here.

wow... that's... long
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

While I understand what you're saying, I don't think it would be necessary to enforce constructiveness here. The discussion forums and Community Portal are two fundamentally different things. The Scratch Team has an extremely large userbase. Thus, there are many possible people contributing to discussions, and also many people that decisions will affect. It makes sense for there to be an expectation that people are constructive. However, as of writing, there are 72 active users on the Scratch Wiki. This is much smaller than the userbase on Scratch. And yes, you might argue that our "userbase" is not just our editors but also our readers; yes, but our editors are the ones who are supposed to make the decisions here.
Anyway, on the topic of having fewer active users on the wiki, it helps to see if someone supports your idea. And it matters, too. If multiple people like your idea, it probably has a better chance of being successful here. This is in stark contrast to the Suggestions Forum, where that is simply not true. This is why simply saying "support" or "no support" on that forum is not helpful, nor constructive.
In summary, yes, I think it would be helpful for people to provide a reason that they like or dislike an idea (perhaps we could recommend it), but I don't think it's necessary to enforce it. I don't think that it's fair to compare the convention here to the convention on the Suggestions Forum, because the CP is fundamentally different from the Suggestions Forum and the discussion forums in general. That said, if someone dislikes an idea, I think it is more necessary to provide reasoning than if they like it, as they are disagreeing with the reasoning provided by the OP, and thus need to provide their own reasoning.
So, to end this off, I agree that we should recommend it, but I disagree that we should enforce it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Good idea! I suppose that could work too.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Scratchblocks Plugin not Working

On any wiki page I go to that has the Scratchblock Plugin, all of the blocks end up half-rendered, except for the text. Are other people seeing this?

HalfRenderedBlockTextError.png
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

This does not happen to me - the bug might only happen to the device or computer you are using the Scratch Wiki on.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 14:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
This might not be of much help but have you tried realoding the page or freeing space on your computer/device sometimes when the tablet I use is out of space/storage everything malnfuctions
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 15:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
What device/OS/browser are you using?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
If you are using a phone it is probably because the screen is too small so the wiki malfunctions. If you are on another device then I think it is because your storage is full, so in that case you need to free up space.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm using Brave Browser on a Macbook Pro, with about 70GB left on the hard drive. I have tried both reloading and clearing the cache, to no avail.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 22:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, could you try using a different browser, like Firefox or Chrome? That might be the issue. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 23:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded

When custom welcome messages on new Scratch Wikians' talk pages are not transcluded from a templat (when the entire contents, including the formatting is copied and pasted onto the talk page), it could lengthen the talk page.

I suggest that there should be a rule (unless one already exists) requiring all custom welcome messages (this excludes the default Scratch Wiki welcome message) to be transcluded as a template (from the creator's userspace, obviously).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 16:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

#Standardized signatures Transcluded pages are loading slower, also the default welcome message is too big for transclusion.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Archive 106

First, sorry for not appearing on this Wiki! I'm kinda busy on jawiki and other stuff. Anyway it's the 106th archive time!

Things to archive:

Can these be archived as well?


Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 17:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Yay! 10milemoji.png Out of your "can these be archived as well" topics, here are the ones that I think can be archived:
If you disagree with any of those, please say so.
That leaves these ones that I'm not too sure about:

Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I archived the finished and inactive discussions.
maybe I archived so fast
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:33, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Ahmetlii, I think you archived some that shouldn't have been archived... such as: "Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded" (edit conflict with Ahmetlii)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Also, I think the admins (like Ken) are supposed to do the actual archiving?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
oopsI came Jammum's topic to here again.also edit conflict
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
There are some others too; I'm currently looking through the archive.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Should we do a bot for archiving? Yes, it's pretty Yes Done without a bot; but also I saw that I archived everything, nearly.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes Archived S:CPSYS
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

S:CPND

Yes Done

Can someone please help me find the problem at S:CPND? Everything is being collapsed by one of the topics... :/
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure why {{collapse bottom}} is not working at the bottom of Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Embedding of Scratch Projects...
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Looking in the page history, before this edit, everything seems normal. However, the problem is, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that edit, and I don't remember it being like this since that edit. Sometimes I just really dislike wiki formatting. :/ Thanks for trying to help fix it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Very strange, is the signature messing the page up somehow?
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I tried removing all instances of Ahmetlii's custom signature in my sandbox, and it kind of fixed the problem, but really just moved it to a different topic. :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
To everyone — free to edit my sandbox to try to find out what the problem is. Rules against editing posts don't apply there, so please don't copy and paste from there into S:CPND. This is purely to identify the problem.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
So, something I did in User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox fixed the problem. I removed a lot of people's custom signatures. The problem was fixed when I removed this code, I think:
<span title="{{Special:EditCount/Eribetra}} edits since 26/1/2017" style="color:#0000ff;font-family:Segoe UI, sans-serif;display:inline">{{#ifeq:|nobr||<br/>}}[[File:Eribetra%27s_Profile_Picture.gif|20px|link=User:Eribetra]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Eribetra}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border:1px solid black"><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span></span></span> 21:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
This is the code of Eribetra's custom signature — not sure why it wasn't transcluded.
The problem is, when I tried to remove just that code, it didn't fix the problem.
So I fixed the problem in my sandbox, now we just need to isolate what I did to fix it. :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Alright, I know for sure that there is something in User:Ahmetlii/sig that is causing trouble. Look at User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 3, then look at its source code.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I think I've fixed the issue!! 10milemoji.png
I think there were two things causing this:
  1. Something with the formatting of the "custom signatures" section. I don't know what, but if you read that discussion, Ken has tried to fix it as well.
  2. Something in Ahmetlii's custom signature.
I fixed the problem by:
  1. Moving the "custom signatures" section to its own subpage, Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done/custom signatures.
  2. Reverting Ahmetlii's custom signature to a previous version. I think it's okay that I edited userspace because the custom signature was adversely affecting other pages, though please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
10milemoji.png Good work!
TenType (talk | contribs) 21:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Good job bigpuppy! 10milemoji.png
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 14:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Talking through the mouse

Yes Done

I just want to know how you edit code so you can talk through someone's mouse. I've seen a lot of people doing it and I would love to know how!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 10:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

You can use the <span title> property — for example, <span title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</span> makes Hover over this text!
You can also do the same thing with <div title>; for example, <div title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</div> makes
Hover over this text!

Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks bigpuppy! I'll give it a go in my sandbox. Just had a go and it all works! Thanks, again.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 18:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

A flaw in the "Random Page" button I see

No Not done

So, I've been using the Scratch Wiki for almost 3 months without an account, and about 1 with, and I see a flaw in the "Random Page" button. Sometimes it links you to disambiguation pages, and I'm just wondering- is this really useful? Because most people (I'm assuming) who use the RP (Random Page) button just want to find an article they can revise or look at, and I find that whenever a disambiguation page while clicking the RP button, I just click the RP button again, and find an article. I have a suggestion, maybe have an option to toggle if you want to not go to disambiguation pages while clicking the RP button? Just a little suggestion.
Foxlife37 (talk | contribs) 23:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

See wikipedia:mw:Help:Random page; I think that since Special:Random is a built-in MediaWiki thing, this would require some sort of extension. That said, I'm no MediaWiki guru, so I could be wrong about that. An easy solution would be to put disambig pages in their own namespace; though this has the downside that they won't show up in search. Again, I'm not a MediaWiki guru, so I don't know whether there's an easy solution to that downside.
I really wanted to make a joke about not being able to play TenType's Disambiguation Dodge, but then I realized you were just suggesting a way to toggle seeing disambiguation pages...
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 23:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Haha, I was going to make that joke too! :P I don't think we should move disambigs to their own namespace though; that seems like quite a drastic change just to make sure that they don't show up via the Random Page button.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 23:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! I now have an idea that came from your answers. It's 100% not related to the problem, but it's definitely a cool idea! Oof so much happened. I had to re-write this because of an edit conflict, and I guess this is an example of an idea that came from a problem. And wow is this hard on a phone...
Foxlife37 (talk | contribs) 23:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Maybe we can add mw:Extension:Disambiguator (jawiki has it)
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 13:59, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Merging Cloud Data Articles?

I think that there are far too many articles on Cloud Data. I think these should all be merged or certain ones removed to reduce the amount of potential editing.
ContourLines (talk | contribs) 06:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Linking Style Sheets

Could anyone please tell me if it is possible to link style sheets similar to
<link rel="stylesheet" href="filename.css">
in HTML? If it is then could you please tell me how?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 18:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
It's "perfectly" impossible for the Scratch Wiki. It will need FTP server access. You cannot do it if you're not a bureaucrat.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
But why would I need FTP server access if the linked style sheet is on the wiki?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 19:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Wiki pages cannot run HTML codes itself.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
While this is impossible. You can, however, use your common.css file in your userspace which will effect the style of the wiki skin.
ContourLines (talk | contribs)
@Ahmelii, you are wrong. I suggest you to test it by yourself. @ContourLines, I am not asking about changing the style for only me; I am asking about changing the style for the contents of that page for everyone.
R4356th (talk | contribs) 11:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @R4356th, are you sure about that? I cannot run it in my CSS sheet, I will try again. Did you test it in the Wiki?
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I believe @Kenny2scratch might know. They seem to of effected the style of all their userspace.
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 18:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
You can not run the wiki on just html and css files. It needs the files that run the server accsept of it too like the php files.
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  11:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Custom Signatures

Would it be a violation of S:USERSPACE to replace the contents of another user's custom signature which has all its code and formatting on the page itself with a transclusion of the template it is from?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 11:43, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Could you elaborate? I don't really understand, it is probably as I am new here.
ContourLines (talk | contribs) 15:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
I think it is, but I'm not entirely sure. Can you explain a bit more about it?
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:26, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Uploading Problems...

Yes Done
So, if you look here, you'll see my current profile picture on the scratch wiki. But it isn't working? The blue rounded rhombus square thing around it isn't loading. I've tried a lot, but it's not letting me use the one with the blue outline. I can't tell if I should just stick to the original non-rounded one, or is there something I can do. I've tried reverting it to older ones with the border, but it still won't work. I'm wondering if you can help me with this.
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

It seems to work for me! Could you try to define what isn't loading a bit more clearly? I'll do my best!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
For me the original one (the one without the rhombus) shows up, even when it's supposed to be using the rhombus one. So it looks like it has no rhombus around it. Does it show differently for you?
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I can see the rhombus. Maybe your device needs updating?
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Great, thanks! I might try logging out and into my account again. :D
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
*facepalm* Or I could just clear my cache. Okay, fixed! (I realised that just now I should hard refresh the page)
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Wow! I didn't know that I could actually fix a problem! Anyway, I'm glad it's fixed! ;)
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 16:01, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Yup! Thanks!
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 16:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

No problem! And considering I'm only a New Wikian(I've been here for 8 days) that's pretty good!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 16:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Some wikicode not working?

So my welcome template, which is here, has a border around it like this.

Example!

And with that, I made the whole welcome template in there. So far it was fine, but then I tried to do this - (not in the collapse it's just so it's smaller)

And the hello is supposed to be outside the box, plus the </div> is supposed to be outside the box and not show up? Idk, can someone look at the code and figure it out? Thanks if someone figures it out!
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 18:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I think any issues you are having are because you seem to have forgotten to close a span tag. See User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 2. Did closing it fix the problems?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I had another span tag open? Ah, thanks! I'll try and fix that now. :) Update from future me - It worked! (How did I not notice that..) Thanks!
FoxPFP.svg foxlife37 | talk | contribs 19:04, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes Done
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Allow user-based scripts in Scratch Wiki

In last days, I developed a script for send S:DIS messages. So, I need to get permission for use and publish codes of the script - because I designed it for send messages, but specifically for Scratch Wiki. What do you think about that, should we use it or not?

Note Note: Also, this is the first topic about the usability of userscripts(not bots)

Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
14:00, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Personally, I don't mind allowing user-based scripts, but it is a good point to bring up for discussion. If there's no rules against it and you're doing things that the API allows, then it's probably okay (and it's all tied to your account, right? Letting anonymous users edits pages with bots would be pretty bad). I would definitely get a bureaucrat's approval though.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 20:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
For your question, yes, anonymous IPs or bots(if they are not approved by bureaucrats) cannot edit the Wiki through the API. So, if someone wants to use this tool, all of the responsibilities are on the user.
Actually, I'm concerned about for bureaucrats' opinions, because this is the first discussion about semi-automatic editors, etc.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
21:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
(This level of indentation is to reply to OP.)
You say you need to get permission to use the script - and yet you used it without permission?
User bots (different from userscripts) are completely disallowed. You must request a bot account to perform regular automated tasks. Your run of your bot was completely against guidelines.
That's not to say that userscripts (that is, Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey/similar-style JavaScript files or user JS files) are disallowed - only that API access from a user account is not allowed unless you have been approved to test your implementation of a bot you requested.
We bureaucrats are currently discussing whether we should disable API write access to all non-bot/EW accounts and if so how to allow it for users that are approved to test implementations.
What that basically means is you can use a userscript or user JS to prefill the text of your new topic for you, but you must make your edit through the user interface, not the application programming interface, unless you do so through a bot account or in the course of testing your implementation.
Please either make a bot request, switch to a userscript, or dismantle your project.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:33, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit Count JSON?

I don't really know how much relevance this has here but I was wondering if how I would get a user's edit count in JSON format. Where would that be located? Is there some API I should be using or something? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  02:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes Done Got a answer somewhere else
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  23:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Looks like I was too late for answer, but did you use ?format for it?
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
23:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Red text on popups for links?

I'm trying to be more active now :D
When hovering over a link, I see red text in it instead of black text, or the color that is supposed to be there. I looked at my User:12944qwerty/common.css and I removed the color:red part of it and refreshed cache but it is still present? Or is it supposed to be like this (which I doubt). This is what it appears for me: https://ibb.co/NT1ymNZ
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  04:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

This may happen because the linked page doesn't exist anymore. Is this the case for your links? Can you link the troublesome pages please?
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  17:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
It's happened to me before and the reason was the link did not exist as I had made a mistake in the code. I assume this is the reason for your problem too. It is probably because the page has been deleted for some reason or that you made the same mistake as me.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, that's odd. It's not like that for me. The text that isn't red is the right color though.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
All links (other than external) show up like that. They're all existing 100%. All links, including S:CP, S:CPND, etc are showing up like that for me.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Maybe try a different device if you can and see if that fixes it?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 21:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Even if it were to fix it, which I doubt as it seems to be an account problem (and it works properly on the wiki), I'd like the wiki to be able to work on all devices.
I checked Special:Preferences but there isn't anything there.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm going to need more reproduction information than that. I don't see anything out of the ordinary - hovering over your S:CP link behaves correctly with correct colors. I notice in your screenshot that only list items are red, while paragraphs are fine.
Sniff around with Inspect Element. Where is the styling that makes it red computed?
In the meantime, what's your browser and OS?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
20:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'm not able to access the inspect element area on this computer. I'll try switching to my other computer later.
I'm starting to see your point, but when I hover over my User:12944qwerty page I see this https://i.ibb.co/tQmvzQc/image.png . The CP's header is red for me, but all the other text is normal as you said.
Google Chrome OS Version 83.0.4103.119 (Official Build) (64-bit)
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

On further exploration, I've noticed that this mainly happens on MY pages. I haven't seen red text on anyone else's pages except for the headers, which are red.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I have switched to my other computer, and I still see the EXACT same thing. This is definitely an account problem
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Assumming, you're using ScratchWikiSkin, it's this CSS page. I added it to my common.css and it did the same thing for me.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 14:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Omg, I completely forgot about that page. I deleted the contents and it works! Thank you so much! Yes Done
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Even more featured images!

No Not done

If you have suggestions, please reply here. (I really wish we had a dedicated page for this...)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I think that keeping it in here is better because more people come here more often than not. Keeping it elsewhere might not lead many people to suggest images.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
What about the dedicated subpage for logging server faults? It already has a link on the main CP, so we can just do a similar thing for more featured images.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, but once a server fault appears, people have motivation to log it so that it doesn't happen again.. In this case, people have to find an image, then go the CP, then to the link (unless bookmarked). Although I do see your point, I believe keeping it in the CP would have a lot more attention.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I think that if we do make a dedicated page, it could go in the "For Editors" bar next to "WW Suggestions."
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 15:43, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Here's a suggestion!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

How about this one? File:Save Picture.png :) It might be interesting to people that that used to be a feature.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Where should I discuss things related to the Test Wikis if I am not a user on it?

Yes Done
I wanted to discuss something involving one of the Test Wikis. However, I am not a Test Wiki editor (and I am not planning to join it because I am not fluent in any other language). Where should I discuss Test Wiki related topics?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 16:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I think you should start a forum post so you can discuss it on the main scratch website, as I think it would be off-topic to put it here or somewhere else.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
The Test Wikis are owned by the same owners of the Scratch Wiki. Also, I am going to wait for other users to answer this.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 17:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
The Wiki forum topic is an appropriate place, I'd say.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
20:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Your welcome to post on any of the international administrators talk pages and we'd be happy to answer a question or transfer your comment to the test-wiki community portal if appropriate.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 20:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your replies. I am going to go with what Ken wrote, so this topic is now Yes Done
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 05:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Naming Blocks

No Not done

When referring to Scratch's blocks within an article, what format should be used? Some articles follow the capitalization of the title (like Tempo (block)), some articles use all lowercase (like Abs () (block)), and some use the block plugin (e.g. Set Video Transparency to () (block)). If there's not a consistent format, then there probably should be one.

(Thanks to Naleksuh for bringing this up)
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I looked at the Editing Conventions, and they say that "capitalization for blocks remain the same as the title; for example, Tempo (block) changes to 'Tempo' and Project Downloading (1.4) changes to 'Project Downloading.'" If this is the case, should we change articles that don't follow this capitalization to match? What about articles that just use scratchblocks code?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I am okay with the block name the same as in the title, however I do think that this means the title system should be changed, as it is currently using incorrect grammar, unnecessary disambigs, and not even aligning with the actual names used in Scratch
For example:
* If on Edge, Bounce (block) will become "if on edge, bounce" (yes, titles that start with a lowercase letter *are* possible - can be done individually or via the infobox)
* Boolean Block will become "Boolean block"
* How to Move Sprites with the Arrow Keys will become "How to move sprites with the arrow keys"
* Advanced Topics (forum) will become "Advanced Topics"
* New Scratcher Status will become "New Scratcher status"
* Scratch Design Studio will stay "Scratch Design Studio"
Any objections? Naleksuh (talk) 18:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
It's ironic that I have to be this person this time.
I brought this up nearly 3 years ago, and most people agreed that capitalization here is not ideal. However, Scimonster, an admin who predates me by nearly 6 years, came out of inactivity just to push down the idea. He quoted JSO, a founder:
I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but I really think this is a change we should not put our efforts and time in. I think the titles look just fine as they are, but most importantly I think it's not worth either breaking every single link ever created to the wiki or messing up the wiki by creating hundreds of redirects.

– JSO

I appreciate your eagerness to improve the Wiki, but suggesting sweeping radical changes literal hours after being accepted is not the way to go about it.
Also, fight your own fights. Why did you make Groko bring it up instead of posting it yourself?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
20:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
So, we should make sure all pages follow the same capitalization as the title, correct? What about pages with scratchblocks code? Personally, I think we should change them if the scratchblock replaces the bolded words in the intro paragraph, like in Set Video Transparency to () (block), but leave scratchblocks elsewhere.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 04:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
"I appreciate your eagerness to improve the Wiki, but suggesting sweeping radical changes literal hours after being accepted is not the way to go about it." I do not appreciate the condescending tone here. Especially not when "literal hours" was all I needed to find that multiple blocks were named wrong for over a year and half. I try to be polite and informative. Granted sometimes I fail at this. This attempts neither.
I do not agree with the text's capitalization matching the title (although I also disagree with how the titles are, so this may be null to begin with). I also do not think blocks mixed with text is a good idea, especially in introduction. Naleksuh (talk) 17:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
If you disagree with the Editing Conventions or titles, you should bring it up in a separate topic (although, as per what Ken said, a change in title case has been suggested and rejected multiple times now).
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 20:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Back to my original question; the Editing Conventions do not say whether blocks within the article should match the capitalization of the title; it only has guidelines for the bolded words in the intro paragraph. I think that a consistent way to refer to blocks should be added to the Editing Conventions, if one does not already exist. Personally, I think that blocks should all follow title capitalization, or else it would look strange and inconsistent. I also think that inline scratchblocks are fine as well. Thoughts?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 20:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Changing all names to truth names is a hard job as Ken said before. Yes, the capitalizations might looks like terrible, but also I think manually create redirects or move some articles are better than manually move all of them. For example, change "creepy" titles, but don't edit others so much. Maybe should use a Wiki extension - I'm not sure about that is possible, however.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Misdirected Request error

No Moved to Scratch Wiki:Bugs
Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! July 30th, 2020

Welcome to the 30th Thankful Thursday! July 30th, 2020.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

Bananaandchoc1 (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for improving so many articles, and for being so enthusiastic about editing the wiki!
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for helping those users who were not able to confirm their email after I asked, and for everything else you do!
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your amazing edits and helping so frequently, keep it up!
    Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
ahmetlii (talk | contribs)
Groko13 (talk | contribs)
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs)
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs)
  • You got into editing really quickly and made lots of cool edits! Keep it up!
    Groko13 (talk | contribs) 01:27, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your positive, outgoing, and helpful attitude towards editing the wiki! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
TenType (talk | contribs)
  • You're undeniably a great Experienced Wikian and a crucial part of this wiki. Thank you for patrolling, handling account requests, editing, and for everything else you do. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for coming back excited to participate in the community again. I'm looking forward to your future edits! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
jakel181 (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for running this wonderful fountain of positivity! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


The next TT is, August 27th, see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 05:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

No Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 05:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for posting, but this is last month's TT. You probably want to change that? :P
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 05:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
As the other informal runner of TT, I think jake doesn't mind if I edit the archive number in his post. Thanks for pointing it out!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Full names in past revisions of Frozen Coco

Although the page is now a redirect to Collaboration, past revisions of the page Frozen Coco contains full names of several Scratchers. Should those revisions be deleted (an instance of a Scratchers's full name that was their past username was deleted from the list of curators page on this wiki)?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 11:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd think yes, since the full names in Collaboration (group) were removed by someone who was mentioned in the article. However, this would also mean that several revisions of Collaboration (group) would have to be deleted too.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I've left a message on Ken's talk page referring him to this discussion. Thanks for pointing this out, Jammum!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
They should be deleted according to CG except like User:mtwoll and S:DISCORD. I think if someone wants to delete, admins can delete them; but no more than that.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
17:27, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to delegate a little - could someone with more time or willpower find the specific (inclusive) start and end revisions where full names are mentioned, so that I can delete all the ones in between? Thanks.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yep! Special:Diff/72761 to Special:Diff/238261.
TenType (talk | contribs) 03:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, I hid all the revisions between them (inclusive) and also found the revisions in Frozen Coco that had full names myself and hid those. Thanks to everyone for your efforts and escalation! Yes Done
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
(Bigpuppy, now that you're admin you can handle issues like this yourself as well, just so you know :))
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
12:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Promoting Bigpuppy

Hi all,

We, (some of) the current Experienced Wikians, admins, and bureaucrats, have been in discussion.

Bigpuppy (talk | contribs) has been an excellent and active EW, as I'm sure anyone in the community can agree (and judging by Thankful Thursday contributions, some people agree to quite a large extent). However, at times it seems that he is limited by the lack of tools he has access to - protection, in particular, comes to mind as something he still has to ask higher-ups for, when really it's a day-to-day task that he is perfectly capable of handling himself.

With that in mind, we think it's in the best interest to give bigpuppy the sysop usergroup. However, since this is more out of context than most other promotions that have happened in history, we've decided to use the precedent that scmb1 set when promoting jvvg: put it to a vote.

Vote Yes Yes or No No for whether to promote bigpuppy to administrator. There's no particular voting period, I'll just make the decision after I think enough people have voted to make the community opinion clear.

I'll start: I vote Yes Yes.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Yes - definitely!
TenType (talk | contribs) 05:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
06:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes - Absolutely, Bigpuppy has been a great EW!
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 07:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Bigpuppy, you can vote for yourself too, by the way - if you don't want to be an admin, just vote no and we'll forget the whole thing. I don't want to thrust administratorship upon you without your consent. I will, however, assume you're happy to be admin.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes I completely agree.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 12:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes 100% Yes
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 13:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes definitely
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 16:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yes Yes! Absolutely, he's really helpful!
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 16:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Yes
AjsyaSmallpfp.png ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  17:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes Yes We truly wouldn't know what we'd do without you. :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm not going to vote, since that feels odd, but I feel like I should say something: thank you for the opportunity, Ken and everyone else. Whether or not this vote comes out as successful, I will know that whatever gets decided is what the community thinks is best. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
The community has spoken, and all I see is overwhelming approval. Yes Bigpuppy, you have now been made an admin! You can take a look at the new permissions you have here. I'm sure you will do well with them. Thank you for all your contributions to date, and here's to many more!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Well done Bigpuppy! You deserve it! :)
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks everyone! I hope to do well in this role! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── If I saw it earlier, I would've said Yes Yes. Congrats anyway!
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  19:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Raspberry Pi Extensions

According to this, there are 3 Scratch Extensions that are only available on the Raspberry Pi offline version of Scratch. They are a GPIO extension, a Sense HAT extension and a Simple Electronics extension. Would they be notable enough to have Wiki Articles about them?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 10:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be a violation of S:NOSP?
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 14:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
If I know right, Scratch Wiki isn't accepting user-generated extensions anymore except the old ones. Also, I'm not sure about notability.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
15:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)(edited)
@Garnetluvcookie — it says in the article that Jammum linked "... Scratch 3 was released in January this year, and since then we and the Scratch team have put lots of work into creating an offline version for Raspberry Pi." If the Scratch Team was working on it too, I think that it is not a violation of S:NOSP.
@ahmetlii — Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's for user-generated Scratch extensions (e.g. Insanity). We still have articles about things like the Pen Extension and Video Sensing Extension.
@Jammum — I'm not sure whether they are notable enough either. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I would say that anything in official Scratch releases is beyond question of notability, even if only available on some platforms, it is not user-generated content. -unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Changed "the extensions" to "user-generated extensions". Sorry for confusion. :)
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
10:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

RPi extensions must be documented, because they were worked on by the ST themselves. Naleksuh and Bigpuppy are correct here. Please go ahead and make those articles. My only RPi uses Raspbian Lite with no desktop, so I can't look at the extensions myself, unfortunately - if anyone has the full Raspbian on an RPi, I'd love to see some info on the extensions!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
13:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
" Naleksuh and Bigpuppy are correct here." Me and bigpuppy said opposite things though. I assume that you mean it is notable, while bigpuppy had said that it wasn't. In any case, I myself do have a Raspberry Pi and under the grounds that they are notable will be creating these articles :) -unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
I said that I wasn't sure whether it was notable. ;)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically

No Not done
It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

TemplatesFTW already does that; or do you mean a different way of automating it? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
@ContourLines — you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, S:STYLE says not to use the external link markup (see #internal-scratch-links). You can use [[users:USERNAME]] for users, [[studios:ID]] for studios, and [[projects:ID]] for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to S:STYLE (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Have a dedicated page for feedback on the account request system

No Not done

I was browsing through some old CP archives, and one of the topics reminded me of a suggestion I thought of earlier. My suggestion may have been partly inspired by an account request I reviewed that included feedback on the account request system.

Currently, I leave users one of two messages if I accept their account request. I use this one if their request meets all the requirements already (I have preserved the external links, since this is how I post it on the Scratch website):

Hello, (USERNAME). Congratulations - your Scratch Wiki account request was accepted! You can log in here with the password sent to your email address: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Login Begin here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:NEW Make sure to follow the guidelines, shown at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:GUIDES. If you have questions, visit https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:FAQ and if they aren't answered there, feel free to ask me or any other Wikian! Have fun!

Now, some people inevitably miss something in S:CONTRIB. When we're reviewing account requests, and someone seems to have put in effort and has not missed too much of S:CONTRIB, we first put their request on hold. We comment on their profile and ask them further questions. If they satisfy the requirements after replying to our comment(s), we accept their request. This is all outlined in Scratch Wiki:Become a contributor/Admin Guide.

This is the comment I leave on people's profiles if I first put their request on hold and then accept it:

Thanks, that's all. Congratulations - your Scratch Wiki account request was accepted! You can log in here with the password sent to your email address: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Login Begin here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:NEW Make sure to follow the guidelines, shown at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:GUIDES. If you have questions, visit https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:FAQ and if they aren't answered there, feel free to ask me or any other Wikian! Have fun!

Some Experienced Wikians have a slight variation of this message, but we all link them to Special:Login, S:NEW, S:GUIDES, and S:FAQ (or other shortcuts that link to those pages). Now, why am I mentioning the messages that I use when accepting someone's account request? Well, because those may be changed if my suggestion gets implemented.

What is my suggestion? Well, in short, I think we should have a dedicated page for feedback on our account request system. As a wiki, we should always be looking to improve; and this is a way to do it. People can already give feedback on the account request system (or anything else wiki-related, for that matter) in the CP, but feedback is not actively facilitated. This is why I think we should have a dedicated page.

This page would be specifically designed to be easy-to-use for people who are new to the Scratch Wiki and wikis in general. Users would be able to click a link or button, and the "new section" interface would be filled with a form where they could insert their feedback. The user's signature would be automatically inserted at the end. It would be similar to the link users click to nominate themselves for an EW election.

However, I don't think that the page should just exist — I think we should actively make New Wikians aware of it. When someone gets accepted, the account request system is fresh in their mind, and they may have some ideas on how to improve it. However, they may not know where they can put that feedback, or may be too nervous to make us aware of it. My first thought was to add a link to the page to the messages used when accepting users. If we feel that that already has too much information, we could also add it to S:WELCOME.

Of course, all of this is subject to change. What do y'all think of this idea? Is it a good one? A bad one? Do you have any ideas to make it better? Everyone's feedback is equally valued. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Project talk:Become a contributor
-unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
Thanks for your comment. However, did you read my whole suggestion? That page does not include everything I suggested. Plus, my suggestion would not encompass feedback on just S:CONTRIB, but also on the Special:RequestAccount interface, how we manage account requests, etc. :) Thank you for reminding me of that page, though! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I understood what you were saying. However it may have been my fault for including only a link instead of an additional explanation. My point here was that I do not believe a whole new page is necessary, but that the existing page should suffice, and that discussions there can be extended to this new ground (since Special pages do not have talk pages). b
-unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
Alright. So, assuming that we would not create a whole new page, but rather extend that page to be about feedback on the account request system in general, what do you think of my other suggestions (e.g. actively facilitating feedback, making the page easy to use even for people new to wikis, etc.)? Thank you for your quick response, by the way — it is greatly appreciated. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I think these are good suggestions! it's a good idea to actively facilitate feedback from New Wikians, and putting a link in the acceptance or welcome message will hopefully make them aware of the page. We could probably add the button which you suggested that automatically creates a form to the top of the S:CONTRIB talk page, and/or have the link do it automatically. I think we should also create a shortcut for the talk page if possible, if this suggestion gets implemented.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 22:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Great! I've created a draft of what the feedback page could look like here. (As we've discussed, the feedback page might be the S:CONTRIB talk page.) I also think it might be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Project for this. The users assigned to the project would be in charge of creating the page and maintaining it. The job of maintaining it might include:

  • Observing how users use the page, and finding ways to improve the user experience
  • Answering users' questions about how to provide feedback
  • Archiving old feedback sections

If you would like to participate, feel free to add your name here! You don't have to process account requests to be a part of this Scratch Wiki Project!

SWP 004 - Account Request Feedback
DescriptionStatusOwnerStartedLinks
Create and maintain a page for new users to provide feedback on the account request system.No Not donebigpuppy8/9/2020Project results
Project page
Project discussion


Feel free to make edits to the draft of the feedback page as you see fit. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 05:38, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

So, this is expected to post to Project_talk:Become_a_contributor? If so, I see few objections to this, although I would have preferred a single section myself. It might also help to say what you are planning to do with the responses.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 05:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Having it as the talk page of S:CONTRIB is a possibility. It all depends on what we want to do. Currently, I'm keeping it in my userspace since it's just a draft.
For the second part of your post, could you clarify what you mean? We will find trends in the responses, then propose changes to the account request system if those trends are major enough. Thanks! (Would you like to join the SWP?) :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 05:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I'm not sure I see the point of this. I've never heard of anyone having feedback on the account request process, especially not immediately after being accepted. All the changes to the account request system have come from proposals by EWs, as far as I'm aware.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Right — that's why we should have a dedicated page for it. :) As I said in my original post:
"When someone gets accepted, the account request system is fresh in their mind, and they may have some ideas on how to improve it. However, they may not know where they can put that feedback, or may be too nervous to make us aware of it."
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:53, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Furthermore, they may not think their thoughts are important enough to point out. Or, they might not think they have feedback, but when we facilitate their feedback, they think of feedback. New users have a unique point of view when it comes to the issue of account requests; thus, I think we should actively facilitate their feedback on the account request system. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Is hosting images only for outside the Scratch Wiki allowed?

A user (not naming who) on this wiki made a page in their userspace saying they will host images using the wiki because 'cubeupload is down'. An image on that page seems like it will most likely be used outside the Wiki only. Also, a few months ago, a few images were deleted because they were only used outside the Scratch Wiki.

So, is it allowed for users to host images for only outside the Scratch Wiki? I think it is not.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 14:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

No. It is not allowed. I can't find where it says that in the wiki but I know it is not allowed. The Scratch Wiki is not an image hosting service.
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
15:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes No, it is not allowed. This hasn't been explicitly codified yet but it's been a rule that the EWs and admins have operated under for quite a while. We're responding here first while we amend the guidelines. Thanks for bringing this up.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
16:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
It could be an issue to state it because people might start to clog up the servers with random images.
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 18:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps we could add it under Scratch Wiki:Guidelines#What the Scratch Wiki is not and then add "an image hosting service."
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
15:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I think that's a good idea, especially if it isn't documented anywhere else yet.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 16:19, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
It's been documented at Scratch Wiki:Userspace#User Images :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:22, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Just images, though? From my conversation with kenny2scratch, the goal is to combat the use of scratch wiki as a web host in general, whether via images or otherwise.
Naleksuh.jpg Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 05:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Why won't my custom sig work?

I have my sig set to be {{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} but why won't my custom sig show up when signing?
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 20:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Have you either:
  • Not treated it as wikitext, if not, it won't work
  • Forgotten to save it
Also, I recommend you make a minisig so that you don't leak wikimarkup everywhere when posting. All you have to do is create a new file and embed the signature it and use that when adjusting your preferences.
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC)