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Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,156edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Done.
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,156edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,156edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

No Never Done

See dedicated subpage
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Tinkercad Codeblocks

Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
LiamSapp123 (talk | contribs) 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Maybe we should have one about Blockly
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I agree that we should make one on Blockly.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
No Further discussion needed
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Scratch program image

No Not done
The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
Mohie (talk | contribs)

Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.
Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.
-unsigned comment by 12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this?
TenType (talk | contribs) 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?
And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.


Mohie (talk | contribs) 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Adventure

No Not done

On Wikipedia, there is an option for new Wikians to complete the Wikipedia Adventure. This teaches them skills and covers all the basics of using Wikipedia. I think it'd be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Adventure of our own to teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki. This would include editing tips, rules, etiquette, etc. I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this idea and/or if anyone would like to work with me on creating this.
54329 (talk | contribs) 17:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

+1 :D
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
I hope you're prepared to put in the amount of work involved, because The Wikipedia Adventure is really involved (I've done it once before) and a lot of stuff has to be created for it to work. I like the idea, but I don't know if anyone here has the follow-through to actually focus on a project like this that could take a week or more to make.
If you think you can commit yourself (and furthermore get others to commit themselves) you can make a Scratch Wiki Project of it. Good luck!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Woohoo; we got bureaucratic approval! I think we can do it (maybe not as well as the Wikipedia Adventure, but still good). I'll start thinkin' up some basic ideas to start us off. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know on my talk page. :)
54329 (talk | contribs) 05:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Isn’t this going to be a duplicate of the welcome tutorial?
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (πŸ’¬ Talk - ✍️ My 2,162 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 06:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
No, the Wikipedia Adventure is really involved and more interactive.
TenType (talk | contribs) 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Adding on, when I did it, it felt a lot more like a game/activity than a guidebook. It allows the user to actually collaborate, talk to people and create/edit a page all in a sandbox setting. It helped me learn the basics of Wikipedia far more than a guide could (probably because I was really interested in it and getting those shiny badges was nice).
54329 (talk | contribs) 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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SWP 003 - Scratch Wiki Adventure
DescriptionStatusOwnerStartedLinks
Create the Scratch Wiki Adventure "game" to help teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki in a fun, interactive setting. Creating files for interactive tour...
  • Owner: 54329
  • Assigned:
    • TenType
    • 12944qwerty
    • Apple502j
    • Scratch-Coding
    • Jammum
    • Dominic305
    • JJBullet
    • Kenny2scratch
    • Nambaseking01
    • GrahamSH
    • ahmetlii
11/21/2019Project results
Project page
Project discussion


Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I can help some tech stuff maybe?
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,156edit 17:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
I can help too!
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:33, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
I want to help too, so should I add myself or should 54329 do it as he's the owner?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  01:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
In reply to both of you: Thanks for offering to help out! I'll add both of your names to the list. For future people that wish to help: feel free to just add your name under the "Assigned" section.
54329 (talk | contribs) 05:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at User:Bigpuppy/Quests. :) It seems like this would be very different than that, though. Cool-cat-emoji.png Good idea!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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54329 (talk | contribs) 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC)


2.0 Image Updating

A lot of images here need updating to 3.0. For example, the editor in the TOC, many Scratch Cats, etc. When will this be done?
Scramaso (talk | contribs) 10:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I've asked an admin to update the TOC image. Not sure about the other ones.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 16:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
There's not a set time when this will be done. It will be done gradually. Any time you see an image that needs updated, feel free to update it (but be sure to compress, crop, etc. the file).
EIephant Lover logo.png EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages 
01:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Why won’t this table work?

No Not done

Link: User:Waffle_Iron_Studios/ScratchNet shop page
Waffle_Iron_Studios (talk | contribs) 21:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I think it's because the table does not have any line-breaks. See this.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (πŸ’¬ Talk - ✍️ My 2,162 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Mention that the Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in German

Currently, the links under the 'Legal' category do not are not mentioned that they are in German. I suggest that the footer mentions that the content under the Legal category are in German.

Without mentioning that, some people might be confused that they are in German, and not English. They also cannot be translated into English without it being inaccurate.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (πŸ’¬ Talk - ✍️ My 2,162 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 13:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Why would they be German?
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 16:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
The Wiki servers are located in Germany and therefore follow the rules/regulations of Germany.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Would you be amenable to using the external link marker on them instead? Putting "(German)" on a footer link seems unorthodox...
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
The servers are German because they are owned by Martin Wollenweber, who lives in Germany.
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Maybe the Privacy Policy and the Disclaimers can be individually labelled that they are in German, or is that still 'unorthodox'? They could have 'in German' put in brackets after them.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (πŸ’¬ Talk - ✍️ My 2,162 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 13:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I think it's fine the way it is, but it should get translated for other wikis so we know what happens to our data.
-- Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,421)  Scratch  Directory 
17:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜ Did you read the OP? They can't be translated accurately.

Having a notice at the top of the actual pages saying something similar to what I say on my userpage (the "many other wikis link here" thing), ideally translated into everything, would also be fine for me - I'm only opposed to changing the footer.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
11:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki YT Channel

Hi everyone! I wanted to put a little feeler out there to see who was interested in participating/creating content for a possible Scratch Wiki YT Channel. We would publish wiki-like content within YT's video format. We could then link to this content from within the Wiki. You could for example create a Scratch tutorial, run-through a certain block or feature, or discuss a recent community venture you participated in. If y'all are interested in seeing this idea come to fruition, please comment to express your interest and volunteer yourself for content creation. Thanks!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I think that this would compete with the Scratch Wiki Adventure though...
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  15:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I don't really see much benefit in it. Why would we need this? We already have Wiki Wednesday.
-- Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,421)  Scratch  Directory 
15:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
Well we would be able to produce varied content aside from Wiki Wednesday. People have also suggested tutorials for S:WELCOME to me privately. We'd be modeling it in some regards to Wikipedia's YT Channel.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 16:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm interested! But... What do you mean by "volunteer yourself for content creation"? Is there a specific page to apply?
Dilek's Wiki Signature Picture.pngDilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page
I'm interested too — I'd like to help make a few videos. I already have a YouTube channel but I can't share it because of my real name and face reveal. I'm just ten years, but I don't think that will affect anything as I enjoy talking on-camera and a lot of people tell me I have a talent for vlogging / gaming (not to brag though). I also have a Scratch tutorial series, so I already have some experience with it.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Add a "sandbox" option in the user pull-down on the header

No Not done

My suggestion is above — that's pretty much it. When you click on your username, you would see your username, "Talk," "Preferences," "Watchlist," "Contributions," "Log out," and "Sandbox" thrown somewhere in there. "Sandbox" would direct you to your personal sandbox, not the public sandbox. If the user hasn't created their sandbox, it would direct them to the page to create it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like a cool feature. +1!
Dilek's Wiki Signature Picture.pngDilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page 17:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
I think it's a good idea, but I think we can create a disambiguation page rather than direct to the personal sandbox. However, +1!
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 18:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia has this, but this is actually harder to implement than you might think - the skin does not hardcode the user dropdown links, they are generated by MediaWiki itself. Adding the sandbox link would require a hook somewhere in LocalSettings.php and that might mess up some rhythms. There could be a link in the For Editors box, though! Special:MyPage/Sandbox is a handy link. What say y'all?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
18:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I think that's a good alternative then! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Good idea!
TenType (talk | contribs) 18:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
19:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Ken, any update on this? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies

When Wiki Wednesdays are mentioned on the Scratch News on the homepage, some users' replies contain spam such as blockspam.

I suggest that at the end of each Wiki Wednesday initial post, it should say that when replying, users should not spam. It could also give the definition of what is considered spam (such as offtopic blocks, gibberish, emoji testing, etc.), so users will less likely be confused about what spam is (other than the food product of the same name), that spam could be reported, and that block testing and project advertisements go in the Forum blocks testing topic and the Show and Tell forum respectively.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (πŸ’¬ Talk - ✍️ My 2,162 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 09:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

It's a good idea - and I agree with you, but I think that's not a exact solution manner. As an example, lots of announcements and sticky topics (Wiki Forum Community Portal) are getting blockspam; some people, like me, TenType, SausageMcSausage or ST, warn them, but I see a new spam everyday when I check Wiki Forum Community Portal. Also, nobody don't write aggressive posts for warn users; for example, don't write "DON'T MAKE BLOCKSPAM OR SOMEBODY MAY WARN YOU(ME OR ANYBODY ELSE)". I think WW could include a link to here.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
11:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


Discussion Invitation System

No Not done

Hi folks! On the topic of reviving S:CPND, I have another suggestion. My previous suggestion (collapsing discussions) got implemented, but it is a very minor change. As someone who usually updates the featured images, I was thinking about a discussion that I personally would like people to participate in, Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions. That specific discussion has been going on since August 2018 and it hasn't yet come to a conclusion.

I think I've come up with something that may help solve the Not Done problem. Well, I didn't exactly come up with it, because I got the idea from Wikipedia's Feedback request service. As I understand it, with Wikipedia's Feedback request service, when a discussion needs an outside editor to provide comment, a bot comments on the talk page of someone who has added their name to the list. I'd like to make it clear: my suggestion would not require a bot. Wikipedia needs stuff like that because it's giant.

Basically, when a discussion is going stale or needs a few more editors to provide feedback, a proactive editor can comment the Discussion Invitation template (currently at User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/Template) on a few user talk pages of people who have signed up to be invited to discussions.

Here are some examples of when this would be useful:

  • For asking editors to participate in a S:CP or S:CPND discussion that has gone inactive or that has a deadline
  • For asking editors their opinion on a discussion on the talk page of an article that only a few people are participating in

I think this will help with more than reviving S:CPND, though — it will help on any discussion that isn't getting the attention it deserves.

I've decided to start this program up in my userspace, though if people like it maybe it can be moved to project space (the Scratch Wiki namespace). The list of people who have signed up is currently at User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/List (as of writing, only me). If you'd like to sign up, please do!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 19:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
It could be a good idea, but I'm not sure that it's really matter. As you said before, Wikipedia is a big place and a lot of discussion creators in S:CPND is inactive/quitted Scratch. Also, I think a lot of the discussions are not necessary. For example, are you think "Secret Compliments" important today? Also, asqwde has been inactive since 8 months.
I'm supporting main idea, also it can be helpful for usual stuffs, but also nobody cannot use it for old Not Done topics. Additionally, I suggest another idea; Scratch Wiki could have multiple portals. For example; Scratch Modifications portal, Extensions portal, etc. Maybe not for now, but it could be helpful when discussions are too much.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, I don't think that it matters that some people in S:CPND are inactive; that doesn't mean their discussions aren't relevant anymore. As for the discussions that you don't think are relevant anymore, like "Secret Compliments," you should discuss that in the appropriate section at S:CPND and make sure people agree with you. You could get people to add to the discussion on whether they are relevant anymore using the system I suggested ;)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
I just used the system on the talk pages of the two people (other than me) who signed up:
Keep in mind that in the future, people would not message everyone on the list (because hopefully lots of people sign up!), but rather message the number of people that they need.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm happy to see people using the system already! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Also, I added {{open userpage}} to all of the Discussion Invitation System pages except the template, so feel free to improve any of them!
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜Oh yes, I remember when I first suggested that. I was thinking about it recently actually - what a coincidence!

I would like to add my name to the list, however one quick thing: why do we link to our Scratch profiles and not our Wiki profiles, or perhaps our Wiki talk page? Surely linking to our userpage would make a lot more sense, unless there is a specific reasoning for not doing this that I am not understanding.

In any case, I think this is a fantastic idea. Glad to see it's working already! Thanks for taking this on, bigpuppy. :)
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 15:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Where do people link to their Scratch profiles? On the list page, we are using the {{user}} template, which adds a link to the user's userpage and talk page. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Wait, nevermind. I saw {{users}} in the code, and mistook it to be the new [[users:]] interwiki, which points to their Scratch profile. Whoops!
border=3px Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 23:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

When are we planning to implement the new Flawed Article?

No Not done

Per title.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you should ask jvvg. Has there been a discussion about it elsewhere? I'm not sure if the article is finished yet.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
I think it is done you should ask jvvg he made it
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 14:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

More Featured Images!

No Not done

The featured images were just updated, so does anyone have any new suggestions for next time? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 03:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Here's two images: 1 and 2. I don't know if these have been used in the past or not. Maybe we should start keeping a list. Is there any rule against reusing images?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
If images have the {{featured}} template on them, they have been used before. That said, there may have been some times where we forgot to add that template.
As for whether there's a rule against re-using images, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing the {{featured}} template doesn't support such a case currently.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! Before I thought that the template was only for WW articles.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 18:03, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Constructiveness in Community Portal - An Idea

Hello there!

In case you didn't know, I'm a Forum Helper (https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/3688309/) on Scratch, which means I generally help out on the the Scratch discussion forums. One day, I headed over to the Community Portal and it seemed like a sort of "discussion forums" within the Scratch Wiki, and I understand that the concept is different, but for me it personally seemed that way.

Anyways, I mostly help around a lot on the Suggestions forum, which, yet again, redirects to the Community Portal since there are a lot of suggestions for the Scratch Wiki here. One difference is though, that the Scratch Team and some Scratchers (like me) enforce the rule of "constructiveness" while making posts, and I'm pretty sure most of you know what that means but I'll just clarify:

  • It means that one does not simply post "Support!", "Good idea!", or "+1!" and explain why they like the suggestion, that they provoke discussion, and look for possible issues instead of continuosly leaning on one side, like "I love this suggestion" or "I hate this suggestion"
  • It means that one does not simply add one sentence to act as if their post is constructive. For example, "Support, because this might be useful for many Wikians!" seems constructive but it isn't really constructive, because they're not stating how it would be useful for many Wikians or why it would be.

Now, I've been looking around in the CP, and I've been seeing a couple of responses just saying "+1!" or merely "Support!" without provoking any further discussion and merely showing your satisfaction. So I thought, maybe, we could enforce the constructive rule on the CP as well. Especially because the ideas here much more mature and complex, and not like Scratch where it's just new blocks or random new features.

I do agree that many people are already following this rule, but maybe just enforce it more? I do think it'll be incredibly helpful for the type of suggestions being given here.

wow... that's... long
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

While I understand what you're saying, I don't think it would be necessary to enforce constructiveness here. The discussion forums and Community Portal are two fundamentally different things. The Scratch Team has an extremely large userbase. Thus, there are many possible people contributing to discussions, and also many people that decisions will affect. It makes sense for there to be an expectation that people are constructive. However, as of writing, there are 72 active users on the Scratch Wiki. This is much smaller than the userbase on Scratch. And yes, you might argue that our "userbase" is not just our editors but also our readers; yes, but our editors are the ones who are supposed to make the decisions here.
Anyway, on the topic of having fewer active users on the wiki, it helps to see if someone supports your idea. And it matters, too. If multiple people like your idea, it probably has a better chance of being successful here. This is in stark contrast to the Suggestions Forum, where that is simply not true. This is why simply saying "support" or "no support" on that forum is not helpful, nor constructive.
In summary, yes, I think it would be helpful for people to provide a reason that they like or dislike an idea (perhaps we could recommend it), but I don't think it's necessary to enforce it. I don't think that it's fair to compare the convention here to the convention on the Suggestions Forum, because the CP is fundamentally different from the Suggestions Forum and the discussion forums in general. That said, if someone dislikes an idea, I think it is more necessary to provide reasoning than if they like it, as they are disagreeing with the reasoning provided by the OP, and thus need to provide their own reasoning.
So, to end this off, I agree that we should recommend it, but I disagree that we should enforce it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Good idea! I suppose that could work too.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Scratchblocks Plugin not Working

On any wiki page I go to that has the Scratchblock Plugin, all of the blocks end up half-rendered, except for the text. Are other people seeing this?

HalfRenderedBlockTextError.png
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

This does not happen to me - the bug might only happen to the device or computer you are using the Scratch Wiki on.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (πŸ’¬ Talk - ✍️ My 2,162 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 14:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
This might not be of much help but have you tried realoding the page or freeing space on your computer/device sometimes when the tablet I use is out of space/storage everything malnfuctions
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 15:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
What device/OS/browser are you using?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
If you are using a phone it is probably because the screen is too small so the wiki malfunctions. If you are on another device then I think it is because your storage is full, so in that case you need to free up space.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded

When custom welcome messages on new Scratch Wikians' talk pages are not transcluded from a templat (when the entire contents, including the formatting is copied and pasted onto the talk page), it could lengthen the talk page.

I suggest that there should be a rule (unless one already exists) requiring all custom welcome messages (this excludes the default Scratch Wiki welcome message) to be transcluded as a template (from the creator's userspace, obviously).
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (πŸ’¬ Talk - ✍️ My 2,162 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 16:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

#Standardized signatures Transcluded pages are loading slower, also the default welcome message is too big for transclusion.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Archive 106

First, sorry for not appearing on this Wiki! I'm kinda busy on jawiki and other stuff. Anyway it's the 106th archive time!

Things to archive:

Can these be archived as well?


Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,156edit 17:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Yay! 10milemoji.png Out of your "can these be archived as well" topics, here are the ones that I think can be archived:
If you disagree with any of those, please say so.
That leaves these ones that I'm not too sure about:

Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I archived the finished and inactive discussions.
maybe I archived so fast
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:33, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Ahmetlii, I think you archived some that shouldn't have been archived... such as: "Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded" (edit conflict with Ahmetlii)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Also, I think the admins (like Ken) are supposed to do the actual archiving?
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
oopsI came Jammum's topic to here again.also edit conflict
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
There are some others too; I'm currently looking through the archive.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜ Should we do a bot for archiving? Yes, it's pretty Yes Done without a bot; but also I saw that I archived everything, nearly.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes Archived S:CPSYS
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

S:CPND

Yes Done

Can someone please help me find the problem at S:CPND? Everything is being collapsed by one of the topics... :/
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure why {{collapse bottom}} is not working at the bottom of Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Embedding of Scratch Projects...
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Looking in the page history, before this edit, everything seems normal. However, the problem is, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that edit, and I don't remember it being like this since that edit. Sometimes I just really dislike wiki formatting. :/ Thanks for trying to help fix it.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Very strange, is the signature messing the page up somehow?
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
I tried removing all instances of Ahmetlii's custom signature in my sandbox, and it kind of fixed the problem, but really just moved it to a different topic. :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
To everyone — free to edit my sandbox to try to find out what the problem is. Rules against editing posts don't apply there, so please don't copy and paste from there into S:CPND. This is purely to identify the problem.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
So, something I did in User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox fixed the problem. I removed a lot of people's custom signatures. The problem was fixed when I removed this code, I think:
<span title="{{Special:EditCount/Eribetra}} edits since 26/1/2017" style="color:#0000ff;font-family:Segoe UI, sans-serif;display:inline">{{#ifeq:|nobr||<br/>}}[[File:Eribetra%27s_Profile_Picture.gif|20px|link=User:Eribetra]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Eribetra}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border:1px solid black"><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span></span></span> 21:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
This is the code of Eribetra's custom signature — not sure why it wasn't transcluded.
The problem is, when I tried to remove just that code, it didn't fix the problem.
So I fixed the problem in my sandbox, now we just need to isolate what I did to fix it. :P
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜Alright, I know for sure that there is something in User:Ahmetlii/sig that is causing trouble. Look at User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 3, then look at its source code.
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I think I've fixed the issue!! 10milemoji.png
I think there were two things causing this:
  1. Something with the formatting of the "custom signatures" section. I don't know what, but if you read that discussion, Ken has tried to fix it as well.
  2. Something in Ahmetlii's custom signature.
I fixed the problem by:
  1. Moving the "custom signatures" section to its own subpage, Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done/custom signatures.
  2. Reverting Ahmetlii's custom signature to a previous version. I think it's okay that I edited userspace because the custom signature was adversely affecting other pages, though please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
10milemoji.png Good work!
TenType (talk | contribs) 21:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)