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Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Done.

Updated the list as the author.
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Updated!
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Logging server faults

 Never Done

See dedicated subpage
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Tinkercad Codeblocks

Tinkercad has a new feature called Codeblocks that looks similar to Scratch. It has hat blocks and variables. I think this could have a page on this wiki.
LiamSapp123 (talk | contribs) 19:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Does it have a specific connection to Scratch in particular though? We don't have a page on Blockly, even though it's a similar concept (and even though 3.0 has Blockly code in it).
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Maybe we should have one about Blockly
Congyingzhou (talk | contribs) 13:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

I agree that we should make one on Blockly.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 01:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

 Further discussion needed
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Scratch program image

 Not done
The image showing the scratch program should be 3.0, not 2.0, right?
Mohie (talk | contribs)

Not necessarily, we use the 2.0 version for historical references. So, we should have to images for this. One for 3.0, and one for 2.0.

Also, could you link to what you're talking about, please? It would be so much easier for someone to know what you were talking about easily.
-unsigned comment by 12944qwerty (talk | contribs)

He meant the picture of the Scratch program shown in Scratch Wiki:Table of Contents needs to be updated to 3.0. Could an admin do this?
TenType (talk | contribs) 23:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Okay... So is there going to be another section for 3.0, or is 2.0 going to be merged with 3.0?

And also, TenType is correct. I do mean the SW TOC.

Mohie (talk | contribs) 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki Adventure

 Not done

On Wikipedia, there is an option for new Wikians to complete the Wikipedia Adventure. This teaches them skills and covers all the basics of using Wikipedia. I think it'd be a good idea to create a Scratch Wiki Adventure of our own to teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki. This would include editing tips, rules, etiquette, etc. I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on this idea and/or if anyone would like to work with me on creating this.
54329 (talk | contribs) 17:08, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

+1
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

I hope you're prepared to put in the amount of work involved, because The Wikipedia Adventure is really involved (I've done it once before) and a lot of stuff has to be created for it to work. I like the idea, but I don't know if anyone here has the follow-through to actually focus on a project like this that could take a week or more to make.

If you think you can commit yourself (and furthermore get others to commit themselves) you can make a Scratch Wiki Project of it. Good luck!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:22, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Woohoo; we got bureaucratic approval! I think we can do it (maybe not as well as the Wikipedia Adventure, but still good). I'll start thinkin' up some basic ideas to start us off. If anyone is interested in working with me on this, please let me know on my talk page.
54329 (talk | contribs) 05:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Isn’t this going to be a duplicate of the welcome tutorial?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 06:41, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

No, the Wikipedia Adventure is really involved and more interactive.
TenType (talk | contribs) 06:44, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Adding on, when I did it, it felt a lot more like a game/activity than a guidebook. It allows the user to actually collaborate, talk to people and create/edit a page all in a sandbox setting. It helped me learn the basics of Wikipedia far more than a guide could (probably because I was really interested in it and getting those shiny badges was nice).
54329 (talk | contribs) 06:53, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘

SWP 003 - Scratch Wiki Adventure

Description	Status	Owner	Started	Links
Create the Scratch Wiki Adventure "game" to help teach new Wikians the basics of the Scratch Wiki in a fun, interactive setting.	Creating files for interactive tour...	Owner: 54329 Assigned: TenType 12944qwerty Apple502j Scratch-Coding Jammum Dominic305 JJBullet Kenny2scratch Nambaseking01 GrahamSH ahmetlii	11/21/2019	Project results
				Project page
				Project discussion

kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I can help some tech stuff maybe?
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 17:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I can help too!
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:33, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

I want to help too, so should I add myself or should 54329 do it as he's the owner?
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  01:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

In reply to both of you: Thanks for offering to help out! I'll add both of your names to the list. For future people that wish to help: feel free to just add your name under the "Assigned" section.
54329 (talk | contribs) 05:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

I just took a quick glance at the Wikipedia Adventure, and that looks cool! I created a very different page a while ago with the same goal of educating New Wikians using a sort of quest system - you can check it out at User:Bigpuppy/Quests. It seems like this would be very different than that, though. Good idea!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘That's super cool that you made a quests page. This will be semi-similar. Feel free to stop by if you have any ideas for it. wink wink
54329 (talk | contribs) 08:03, 31 December 2019 (UTC) We could make a scratch project and link it when people get welcome notficiations on their talk page.
ACS_Scratch_admin (talk | contribs) 14:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

2.0 Image Updating

A lot of images here need updating to 3.0. For example, the editor in the TOC, many Scratch Cats, etc. When will this be done?
Scramaso (talk | contribs) 10:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I've asked an admin to update the TOC image. Not sure about the other ones.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 16:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

There's not a set time when this will be done. It will be done gradually. Any time you see an image that needs updated, feel free to update it (but be sure to compress, crop, etc. the file).
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  01:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Why won’t this table work?

 Not done

Link: User:Waffle_Iron_Studios/ScratchNet shop page
Waffle_Iron_Studios (talk | contribs) 21:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I think it's because the table does not have any line-breaks. See this.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 07:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Mention that the Privacy Policy and Disclaimers are in German

Currently, the links under the 'Legal' category do not are not mentioned that they are in German. I suggest that the footer mentions that the content under the Legal category are in German.

Without mentioning that, some people might be confused that they are in German, and not English. They also cannot be translated into English without it being inaccurate.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 13:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Why would they be German?
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 16:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

The Wiki servers are located in Germany and therefore follow the rules/regulations of Germany.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 00:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Would you be amenable to using the external link marker on them instead? Putting "(German)" on a footer link seems unorthodox...
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:33, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

The servers are German because they are owned by Martin Wollenweber, who lives in Germany.
OurPrincess (talk | contribs) 11:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Maybe the Privacy Policy and the Disclaimers can be individually labelled that they are in German, or is that still 'unorthodox'? They could have 'in German' put in brackets after them.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 13:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

I think it's fine the way it is, but it should get translated for other wikis so we know what happens to our data.
--  Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,425)  Scratch  Directory  17:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Did you read the OP? They can't be translated accurately.

Having a notice at the top of the actual pages saying something similar to what I say on my userpage (the "many other wikis link here" thing), ideally translated into everything, would also be fine for me - I'm only opposed to changing the footer.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Scratch Wiki YT Channel

Hi everyone! I wanted to put a little feeler out there to see who was interested in participating/creating content for a possible Scratch Wiki YT Channel. We would publish wiki-like content within YT's video format. We could then link to this content from within the Wiki. You could for example create a Scratch tutorial, run-through a certain block or feature, or discuss a recent community venture you participated in. If y'all are interested in seeing this idea come to fruition, please comment to express your interest and volunteer yourself for content creation. Thanks!
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I think that this would compete with the Scratch Wiki Adventure though...
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  15:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't really see much benefit in it. Why would we need this? We already have Wiki Wednesday.
--  Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,425)  Scratch  Directory  15:47, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Well we would be able to produce varied content aside from Wiki Wednesday. People have also suggested tutorials for S:WELCOME to me privately. We'd be modeling it in some regards to Wikipedia's YT Channel.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 16:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm interested! But... What do you mean by "volunteer yourself for content creation"? Is there a specific page to apply?
Dilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page

I'm interested too — I'd like to help make a few videos. I already have a YouTube channel but I can't share it because of my real name and face reveal. I'm just ten years, but I don't think that will affect anything as I enjoy talking on-camera and a lot of people tell me I have a talent for vlogging / gaming (not to brag though). I also have a Scratch tutorial series, so I already have some experience with it.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I am interested, too! I have a channel already. How do I start?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 19:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Add a "sandbox" option in the user pull-down on the header

 Not done

My suggestion is above — that's pretty much it. When you click on your username, you would see your username, "Talk," "Preferences," "Watchlist," "Contributions," "Log out," and "Sandbox" thrown somewhere in there. "Sandbox" would direct you to your personal sandbox, not the public sandbox. If the user hasn't created their sandbox, it would direct them to the page to create it.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Sounds like a cool feature. +1!
Dilek10-Talk-Contribs-Profile Page 17:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea, but I think we can create a disambiguation page rather than direct to the personal sandbox. However, +1!
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs) 18:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has this, but this is actually harder to implement than you might think - the skin does not hardcode the user dropdown links, they are generated by MediaWiki itself. Adding the sandbox link would require a hook somewhere in LocalSettings.php and that might mess up some rhythms. There could be a link in the For Editors box, though! Special:MyPage/Sandbox is a handy link. What say y'all?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  18:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I think that's a good alternative then!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Good idea!
TenType (talk | contribs) 18:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ +1!
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Ken, any update on this?
bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Since 3 months, there's not an update; so I created my script for add Sandbox option but it's only working for Vector skin.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  09:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies

When Wiki Wednesdays are mentioned on the Scratch News on the homepage, some users' replies contain spam such as blockspam.

I suggest that at the end of each Wiki Wednesday initial post, it should say that when replying, users should not spam. It could also give the definition of what is considered spam (such as offtopic blocks, gibberish, emoji testing, etc.), so users will less likely be confused about what spam is (other than the food product of the same name), that spam could be reported, and that block testing and project advertisements go in the Forum blocks testing topic and the Show and Tell forum respectively.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 09:23, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

It's a good idea - and I agree with you, but I think that's not a exact solution manner. As an example, lots of announcements and sticky topics (Wiki Forum Community Portal) are getting blockspam; some people, like me, TenType, SausageMcSausage or ST, warn them, but I see a new spam everyday when I check Wiki Forum Community Portal. Also, nobody don't write aggressive posts for warn users; for example, don't write "DON'T MAKE BLOCKSPAM OR SOMEBODY MAY WARN YOU(ME OR ANYBODY ELSE)". I think WW could include a link to here.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  11:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion Invitation System

 Done

Hi folks! On the topic of reviving S:CPND, I have another suggestion. My previous suggestion (collapsing discussions) got implemented, but it is a very minor change. As someone who usually updates the featured images, I was thinking about a discussion that I personally would like people to participate in, Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions. That specific discussion has been going on since August 2018 and it hasn't yet come to a conclusion.

I think I've come up with something that may help solve the Not Done problem. Well, I didn't exactly come up with it, because I got the idea from Wikipedia's Feedback request service. As I understand it, with Wikipedia's Feedback request service, when a discussion needs an outside editor to provide comment, a bot comments on the talk page of someone who has added their name to the list. I'd like to make it clear: my suggestion would not require a bot. Wikipedia needs stuff like that because it's giant.

Basically, when a discussion is going stale or needs a few more editors to provide feedback, a proactive editor can comment the Discussion Invitation template (currently at User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/Template) on a few user talk pages of people who have signed up to be invited to discussions.

Here are some examples of when this would be useful:

• For asking editors to participate in a S:CP or S:CPND discussion that has gone inactive or that has a deadline
• For asking editors their opinion on a discussion on the talk page of an article that only a few people are participating in

I think this will help with more than reviving S:CPND, though — it will help on any discussion that isn't getting the attention it deserves.

I've decided to start this program up in my userspace, though if people like it maybe it can be moved to project space (the Scratch Wiki namespace). The list of people who have signed up is currently at User:Bigpuppy/Discussion Invitation System/List (as of writing, only me). If you'd like to sign up, please do!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 19:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

It could be a good idea, but I'm not sure that it's really matter. As you said before, Wikipedia is a big place and a lot of discussion creators in S:CPND is inactive/quitted Scratch. Also, I think a lot of the discussions are not necessary. For example, are you think "Secret Compliments" important today? Also, asqwde has been inactive since 8 months.

I'm supporting main idea, also it can be helpful for usual stuffs, but also nobody cannot use it for old Not Done topics. Additionally, I suggest another idea; Scratch Wiki could have multiple portals. For example; Scratch Modifications portal, Extensions portal, etc. Maybe not for now, but it could be helpful when discussions are too much.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, I don't think that it matters that some people in S:CPND are inactive; that doesn't mean their discussions aren't relevant anymore. As for the discussions that you don't think are relevant anymore, like "Secret Compliments," you should discuss that in the appropriate section at S:CPND and make sure people agree with you. You could get people to add to the discussion on whether they are relevant anymore using the system I suggested
bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I just used the system on the talk pages of the two people (other than me) who signed up:

• User talk:Garnetluvcookie#Invitation to discussion
• User talk:Groko13#Invitation to discussion

Keep in mind that in the future, people would not message everyone on the list (because hopefully lots of people sign up!), but rather message the number of people that they need.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:26, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm happy to see people using the system already!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Also, I added {{open userpage}} to all of the Discussion Invitation System pages except the template, so feel free to improve any of them!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Oh yes, I remember when I first suggested that. I was thinking about it recently actually - what a coincidence!

I would like to add my name to the list, however one quick thing: why do we link to our Scratch profiles and not our Wiki profiles, or perhaps our Wiki talk page? Surely linking to our userpage would make a lot more sense, unless there is a specific reasoning for not doing this that I am not understanding.

In any case, I think this is a fantastic idea. Glad to see it's working already! Thanks for taking this on, bigpuppy. :)
Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 15:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Where do people link to their Scratch profiles? On the list page, we are using the {{user}} template, which adds a link to the user's userpage and talk page.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Wait, nevermind. I saw {{users}} in the code, and mistook it to be the new [[users:]] interwiki, which points to their Scratch profile. Whoops!
Drunken Sailor [ Talk | Contribs | More... ] 23:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ How did I completely miss this? I've moved everything into official namespaces and cleaned up stuff a bit. Thanks for proposing!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  02:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! This CP topic is now  Done.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 03:08, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

When are we planning to implement the new Flawed Article?

 Not done

Per title.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:13, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you should ask jvvg. Has there been a discussion about it elsewhere? I'm not sure if the article is finished yet.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I think it is done you should ask jvvg he made it
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 14:49, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

More Featured Images!

 Done

The featured images were just updated, so does anyone have any new suggestions for next time?
bigpuppy talk | contribs 03:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Here's two images: 1 and 2. I don't know if these have been used in the past or not. Maybe we should start keeping a list. Is there any rule against reusing images?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 03:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

If images have the {{featured}} template on them, they have been used before. That said, there may have been some times where we forgot to add that template.

As for whether there's a rule against re-using images, I'm not sure, though I'm guessing the {{featured}} template doesn't support such a case currently.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! Before I thought that the template was only for WW articles.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 18:03, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Since no one else gave any suggestions, here's three more: 1 2 3
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 01:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Groko13, which three of these do you think should be featured? I personally think File:Transparent Stamps.png, File:Gobo Keychain.jpg, and File:Video Sensing Extension.jpeg would be good. Do you think so as well, or do you have a different opinion?
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds good! Thanks for updating the images!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:00, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Done, if you see an error please let me know. Thanks for suggesting these!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Constructiveness in Community Portal - An Idea

Hello there!

In case you didn't know, I'm a Forum Helper (https://scratch.mit.edu/studios/3688309/) on Scratch, which means I generally help out on the the Scratch discussion forums. One day, I headed over to the Community Portal and it seemed like a sort of "discussion forums" within the Scratch Wiki, and I understand that the concept is different, but for me it personally seemed that way.

Anyways, I mostly help around a lot on the Suggestions forum, which, yet again, redirects to the Community Portal since there are a lot of suggestions for the Scratch Wiki here. One difference is though, that the Scratch Team and some Scratchers (like me) enforce the rule of "constructiveness" while making posts, and I'm pretty sure most of you know what that means but I'll just clarify:

• It means that one does not simply post "Support!", "Good idea!", or "+1!" and explain why they like the suggestion, that they provoke discussion, and look for possible issues instead of continuosly leaning on one side, like "I love this suggestion" or "I hate this suggestion"

• It means that one does not simply add one sentence to act as if their post is constructive. For example, "Support, because this might be useful for many Wikians!" seems constructive but it isn't really constructive, because they're not stating how it would be useful for many Wikians or why it would be.

Now, I've been looking around in the CP, and I've been seeing a couple of responses just saying "+1!" or merely "Support!" without provoking any further discussion and merely showing your satisfaction. So I thought, maybe, we could enforce the constructive rule on the CP as well. Especially because the ideas here much more mature and complex, and not like Scratch where it's just new blocks or random new features.

I do agree that many people are already following this rule, but maybe just enforce it more? I do think it'll be incredibly helpful for the type of suggestions being given here.

wow... that's... long
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

While I understand what you're saying, I don't think it would be necessary to enforce constructiveness here. The discussion forums and Community Portal are two fundamentally different things. The Scratch Team has an extremely large userbase. Thus, there are many possible people contributing to discussions, and also many people that decisions will affect. It makes sense for there to be an expectation that people are constructive. However, as of writing, there are 72 active users on the Scratch Wiki. This is much smaller than the userbase on Scratch. And yes, you might argue that our "userbase" is not just our editors but also our readers; yes, but our editors are the ones who are supposed to make the decisions here.

Anyway, on the topic of having fewer active users on the wiki, it helps to see if someone supports your idea. And it matters, too. If multiple people like your idea, it probably has a better chance of being successful here. This is in stark contrast to the Suggestions Forum, where that is simply not true. This is why simply saying "support" or "no support" on that forum is not helpful, nor constructive.

In summary, yes, I think it would be helpful for people to provide a reason that they like or dislike an idea (perhaps we could recommend it), but I don't think it's necessary to enforce it. I don't think that it's fair to compare the convention here to the convention on the Suggestions Forum, because the CP is fundamentally different from the Suggestions Forum and the discussion forums in general. That said, if someone dislikes an idea, I think it is more necessary to provide reasoning than if they like it, as they are disagreeing with the reasoning provided by the OP, and thus need to provide their own reasoning.

So, to end this off, I agree that we should recommend it, but I disagree that we should enforce it.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Good idea! I suppose that could work too.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 09:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Scratchblocks Plugin not Working

On any wiki page I go to that has the Scratchblock Plugin, all of the blocks end up half-rendered, except for the text. Are other people seeing this?

Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

This does not happen to me - the bug might only happen to the device or computer you are using the Scratch Wiki on.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 14:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

This might not be of much help but have you tried realoding the page or freeing space on your computer/device sometimes when the tablet I use is out of space/storage everything malnfuctions
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 15:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

What device/OS/browser are you using?
bigpuppy talk | contribs 15:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

If you are using a phone it is probably because the screen is too small so the wiki malfunctions. If you are on another device then I think it is because your storage is full, so in that case you need to free up space.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:28, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm using Brave Browser on a Macbook Pro, with about 70GB left on the hard drive. I have tried both reloading and clearing the cache, to no avail.
Ravenclaw900 (talk | contribs) 22:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, could you try using a different browser, like Firefox or Chrome? That might be the issue.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 23:00, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded

When custom welcome messages on new Scratch Wikians' talk pages are not transcluded from a templat (when the entire contents, including the formatting is copied and pasted onto the talk page), it could lengthen the talk page.

I suggest that there should be a rule (unless one already exists) requiring all custom welcome messages (this excludes the default Scratch Wiki welcome message) to be transcluded as a template (from the creator's userspace, obviously).
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 16:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

#Standardized signatures Transcluded pages are loading slower, also the default welcome message is too big for transclusion.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Archive 106

First, sorry for not appearing on this Wiki! I'm kinda busy on jawiki and other stuff. Anyway it's the 106th archive time!

Things to archive:

Can these be archived as well?

Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 17:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Yay! Out of your "can these be archived as well" topics, here are the ones that I think can be archived:

If you disagree with any of those, please say so.

That leaves these ones that I'm not too sure about:

bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I archived the finished and inactive discussions.

maybe I archived so fast
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:33, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Ahmetlii, I think you archived some that shouldn't have been archived... such as: "Require custom welcome messages to be transcluded" (edit conflict with Ahmetlii)
bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:35, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Also, I think the admins (like Ken) are supposed to do the actual archiving?
bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

oopsI came Jammum's topic to here again.also edit conflict
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

There are some others too; I'm currently looking through the archive.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 18:45, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Should we do a bot for archiving? Yes, it's pretty  Done without a bot; but also I saw that I archived everything, nearly.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  18:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

 Archived S:CPSYS
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

S:CPND

 Done

Can someone please help me find the problem at S:CPND? Everything is being collapsed by one of the topics...
bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure why {{collapse bottom}} is not working at the bottom of Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done#Embedding of Scratch Projects...
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:37, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking in the page history, before this edit, everything seems normal. However, the problem is, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that edit, and I don't remember it being like this since that edit. Sometimes I just really dislike wiki formatting. Thanks for trying to help fix it.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:41, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Very strange, is the signature messing the page up somehow?
TenType (talk | contribs) 19:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I tried removing all instances of Ahmetlii's custom signature in my sandbox, and it kind of fixed the problem, but really just moved it to a different topic.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

To everyone — free to edit my sandbox to try to find out what the problem is. Rules against editing posts don't apply there, so please don't copy and paste from there into S:CPND. This is purely to identify the problem.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:53, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

So, something I did in User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox fixed the problem. I removed a lot of people's custom signatures. The problem was fixed when I removed this code, I think:

<span title="{{Special:EditCount/Eribetra}} edits since 26/1/2017" style="color:#0000ff;font-family:Segoe UI, sans-serif;display:inline">{{#ifeq:|nobr||<br/>}}[[File:Eribetra%27s_Profile_Picture.gif|20px|link=User:Eribetra]]{{nbsp}}{{link style|User:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Eribetra}}{{nbsp}}<span style="border:1px solid black"><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|User talk:Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Talk}}{{nbsp}}</span><span style="border:1px solid black">{{nbsp}}{{link style|Special:Contributions/Eribetra|color:black;font-weight:normal|text=Contribs}}{{nbsp}}</span></span></span> 21:23, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

This is the code of Eribetra's custom signature — not sure why it wasn't transcluded.

The problem is, when I tried to remove just that code, it didn't fix the problem.

So I fixed the problem in my sandbox, now we just need to isolate what I did to fix it.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:15, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Alright, I know for sure that there is something in User:Ahmetlii/sig that is causing trouble. Look at User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 3, then look at its source code.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:43, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I think I've fixed the issue!!

I think there were two things causing this:

1. Something with the formatting of the "custom signatures" section. I don't know what, but if you read that discussion, Ken has tried to fix it as well.
2. Something in Ahmetlii's custom signature.

I fixed the problem by:

1. Moving the "custom signatures" section to its own subpage, Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done/custom signatures.
2. Reverting Ahmetlii's custom signature to a previous version. I think it's okay that I edited userspace because the custom signature was adversely affecting other pages, though please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Good work!
TenType (talk | contribs) 21:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Good job bigpuppy!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 14:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Talking through the mouse

 Done

I just want to know how you edit code so you can talk through someone's mouse. I've seen a lot of people doing it and I would love to know how!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 10:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

You can use the <span title> property — for example, <span title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</span> makes Hover over this text!

You can also do the same thing with <div title>; for example, <div title="Hi! I'm talking through your mouse!>Hover over this text!</div> makes

Hover over this text!

bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:28, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks bigpuppy! I'll give it a go in my sandbox. Just had a go and it all works! Thanks, again.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 18:33, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

A flaw in the "Random Page" button I see

 Not done

So, I've been using the Scratch Wiki for almost 3 months without an account, and about 1 with, and I see a flaw in the "Random Page" button. Sometimes it links you to disambiguation pages, and I'm just wondering- is this really useful? Because most people (I'm assuming) who use the RP (Random Page) button just want to find an article they can revise or look at, and I find that whenever a disambiguation page while clicking the RP button, I just click the RP button again, and find an article. I have a suggestion, maybe have an option to toggle if you want to not go to disambiguation pages while clicking the RP button? Just a little suggestion.
Foxlife37 (talk | contribs) 23:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

See wikipedia:mw:Help:Random page; I think that since Special:Random is a built-in MediaWiki thing, this would require some sort of extension. That said, I'm no MediaWiki guru, so I could be wrong about that. An easy solution would be to put disambig pages in their own namespace; though this has the downside that they won't show up in search. Again, I'm not a MediaWiki guru, so I don't know whether there's an easy solution to that downside.

I really wanted to make a joke about not being able to play TenType's Disambiguation Dodge, but then I realized you were just suggesting a way to toggle seeing disambiguation pages...
bigpuppy talk | contribs 23:25, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Haha, I was going to make that joke too! I don't think we should move disambigs to their own namespace though; that seems like quite a drastic change just to make sure that they don't show up via the Random Page button.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 23:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I now have an idea that came from your answers. It's 100% not related to the problem, but it's definitely a cool idea! Oof so much happened. I had to re-write this because of an edit conflict, and I guess this is an example of an idea that came from a problem. And wow is this hard on a phone...
Foxlife37 (talk | contribs) 23:37, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Maybe we can add mw:Extension:Disambiguator (jawiki has it)
Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,164edit 13:59, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Merging Cloud Data Articles?

I think that there are far too many articles on Cloud Data. I think these should all be merged or certain ones removed to reduce the amount of potential editing.
ContourLines (talk | contribs) 06:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Linking Style Sheets

Could anyone please tell me if it is possible to link style sheets similar to

<link rel="stylesheet" href="filename.css">

in HTML? If it is then could you please tell me how?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 18:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

It's "perfectly" impossible for the Scratch Wiki. It will need FTP server access. You cannot do it if you're not a bureaucrat.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

But why would I need FTP server access if the linked style sheet is on the wiki?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 19:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Wiki pages cannot run HTML codes itself.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

While this is impossible. You can, however, use your common.css file in your userspace which will effect the style of the wiki skin.
ContourLines (talk | contribs)

@Ahmelii, you are wrong. I suggest you to test it by yourself. @ContourLines, I am not asking about changing the style for only me; I am asking about changing the style for the contents of that page for everyone.
R4356th (talk | contribs) 11:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @R4356th, are you sure about that? I cannot run it in my CSS sheet, I will try again. Did you test it in the Wiki?
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  12:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I believe @Kenny2scratch might know. They seem to of effected the style of all their userspace.
ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 18:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

You can not run the wiki on just html and css files. It needs the files that run the server accsept of it too like the php files.
ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  11:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Custom Signatures

Would it be a violation of S:USERSPACE to replace the contents of another user's custom signature which has all its code and formatting on the page itself with a transclusion of the template it is from?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 11:43, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Could you elaborate? I don't really understand, it is probably as I am new here.
ContourLines (talk | contribs) 15:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I think it is, but I'm not entirely sure. Can you explain a bit more about it?
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:26, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Uploading Problems...

 Done
So, if you look here, you'll see my current profile picture on the scratch wiki. But it isn't working? The blue rounded rhombus square thing around it isn't loading. I've tried a lot, but it's not letting me use the one with the blue outline. I can't tell if I should just stick to the original non-rounded one, or is there something I can do. I've tried reverting it to older ones with the border, but it still won't work. I'm wondering if you can help me with this.
foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

It seems to work for me! Could you try to define what isn't loading a bit more clearly? I'll do my best!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

For me the original one (the one without the rhombus) shows up, even when it's supposed to be using the rhombus one. So it looks like it has no rhombus around it. Does it show differently for you?
foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:46, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I can see the rhombus. Maybe your device needs updating?
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:50, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I might try logging out and into my account again.
foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:53, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

*facepalm* Or I could just clear my cache. Okay, fixed! (I realised that just now I should hard refresh the page)
foxlife37 | talk | contribs 15:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Wow! I didn't know that I could actually fix a problem! Anyway, I'm glad it's fixed!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 16:01, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Yup! Thanks!
foxlife37 | talk | contribs 16:06, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

No problem! And considering I'm only a New Wikian(I've been here for 8 days) that's pretty good!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 16:27, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Some wikicode not working?

So my welcome template, which is here, has a border around it like this.

Example!

And with that, I made the whole welcome template in there. So far it was fine, but then I tried to do this - (not in the collapse it's just so it's smaller)

And the hello is supposed to be outside the box, plus the </div> is supposed to be outside the box and not show up? Idk, can someone look at the code and figure it out? Thanks if someone figures it out!
foxlife37 | talk | contribs 18:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I think any issues you are having are because you seem to have forgotten to close a span tag. See User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox 2. Did closing it fix the problems?
bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I had another span tag open? Ah, thanks! I'll try and fix that now. Update from future me - It worked! (How did I not notice that..) Thanks!
foxlife37 | talk | contribs 19:04, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Allow user-based scripts in Scratch Wiki

In last days, I developed a script for send S:DIS messages. So, I need to get permission for use and publish codes of the script - because I designed it for send messages, but specifically for Scratch Wiki. What do you think about that, should we use it or not?

Note:

Also, this is the first topic about the usability of userscripts(not bots)

 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  14:00, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Personally, I don't mind allowing user-based scripts, but it is a good point to bring up for discussion. If there's no rules against it and you're doing things that the API allows, then it's probably okay (and it's all tied to your account, right? Letting anonymous users edits pages with bots would be pretty bad). I would definitely get a bureaucrat's approval though.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 20:49, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

For your question, yes, anonymous IPs or bots(if they are not approved by bureaucrats) cannot edit the Wiki through the API. So, if someone wants to use this tool, all of the responsibilities are on the user.

Actually, I'm concerned about for bureaucrats' opinions, because this is the first discussion about semi-automatic editors, etc.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  21:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

(This level of indentation is to reply to OP.)

You say you need to get permission to use the script - and yet you used it without permission?

User bots (different from userscripts) are completely disallowed. You must request a bot account to perform regular automated tasks. Your run of your bot was completely against guidelines.

That's not to say that userscripts (that is, Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey/similar-style JavaScript files or user JS files) are disallowed - only that API access from a user account is not allowed unless you have been approved to test your implementation of a bot you requested.

We bureaucrats are currently discussing whether we should disable API write access to all non-bot/EW accounts and if so how to allow it for users that are approved to test implementations.

What that basically means is you can use a userscript or user JS to prefill the text of your new topic for you, but you must make your edit through the user interface, not the application programming interface, unless you do so through a bot account or in the course of testing your implementation.

Please either make a bot request, switch to a userscript, or dismantle your project.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  07:33, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit Count JSON?

I don't really know how much relevance this has here but I was wondering if how I would get a user's edit count in JSON format. Where would that be located? Is there some API I should be using or something? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  02:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done Got a answer somewhere else
ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  23:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Looks like I was too late for answer, but did you use ?format for it?
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  23:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Red text on popups for links?

I'm trying to be more active now :D
When hovering over a link, I see red text in it instead of black text, or the color that is supposed to be there. I looked at my User:12944qwerty/common.css and I removed the color:red part of it and refreshed cache but it is still present? Or is it supposed to be like this (which I doubt). This is what it appears for me: https://ibb.co/NT1ymNZ
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  04:32, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

This may happen because the linked page doesn't exist anymore. Is this the case for your links? Can you link the troublesome pages please?
ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  17:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

It's happened to me before and the reason was the link did not exist as I had made a mistake in the code. I assume this is the reason for your problem too. It is probably because the page has been deleted for some reason or that you made the same mistake as me.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, that's odd. It's not like that for me. The text that isn't red is the right color though.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

All links (other than external) show up like that. They're all existing 100%. All links, including S:CP, S:CPND, etc are showing up like that for me.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Maybe try a different device if you can and see if that fixes it?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 21:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Even if it were to fix it, which I doubt as it seems to be an account problem (and it works properly on the wiki), I'd like the wiki to be able to work on all devices.

I checked Special:Preferences but there isn't anything there.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:44, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to need more reproduction information than that. I don't see anything out of the ordinary - hovering over your S:CP link behaves correctly with correct colors. I notice in your screenshot that only list items are red, while paragraphs are fine.

Sniff around with Inspect Element. Where is the styling that makes it red computed?

In the meantime, what's your browser and OS?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  20:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I'm not able to access the inspect element area on this computer. I'll try switching to my other computer later.
I'm starting to see your point, but when I hover over my User:12944qwerty page I see this https://i.ibb.co/tQmvzQc/image.png . The CP's header is red for me, but all the other text is normal as you said.
Google Chrome OS Version 83.0.4103.119 (Official Build) (64-bit)
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:36, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

On further exploration, I've noticed that this mainly happens on MY pages. I haven't seen red text on anyone else's pages except for the headers, which are red.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:32, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

I have switched to my other computer, and I still see the EXACT same thing. This is definitely an account problem
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Assumming, you're using ScratchWikiSkin, it's this CSS page. I added it to my common.css and it did the same thing for me.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 14:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Omg, I completely forgot about that page. I deleted the contents and it works! Thank you so much!  Done
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  19:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Even more featured images!

 Not done

If you have suggestions, please reply here. (I really wish we had a dedicated page for this...)
bigpuppy talk | contribs 19:12, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I think that keeping it in here is better because more people come here more often than not. Keeping it elsewhere might not lead many people to suggest images.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

What about the dedicated subpage for logging server faults? It already has a link on the main CP, so we can just do a similar thing for more featured images.
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  00:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but once a server fault appears, people have motivation to log it so that it doesn't happen again.. In this case, people have to find an image, then go the CP, then to the link (unless bookmarked). Although I do see your point, I believe keeping it in the CP would have a lot more attention.
 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I think that if we do make a dedicated page, it could go in the "For Editors" bar next to "WW Suggestions."
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 15:43, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Here's a suggestion!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

How about this one? File:Save Picture.png It might be interesting to people that that used to be a feature.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 20:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Where should I discuss things related to the Test Wikis if I am not a user on it?

 Done
I wanted to discuss something involving one of the Test Wikis. However, I am not a Test Wiki editor (and I am not planning to join it because I am not fluent in any other language). Where should I discuss Test Wiki related topics?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 16:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I think you should start a forum post so you can discuss it on the main scratch website, as I think it would be off-topic to put it here or somewhere else.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 17:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

The Test Wikis are owned by the same owners of the Scratch Wiki. Also, I am going to wait for other users to answer this.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 17:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

The Wiki forum topic is an appropriate place, I'd say.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  20:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Your welcome to post on any of the international administrators talk pages and we'd be happy to answer a question or transfer your comment to the test-wiki community portal if appropriate.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 20:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your replies. I am going to go with what Ken wrote, so this topic is now  Done
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 05:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Naming Blocks

 Not done

When referring to Scratch's blocks within an article, what format should be used? Some articles follow the capitalization of the title (like Tempo (block)), some articles use all lowercase (like Abs () (block)), and some use the block plugin (e.g. Set Video Transparency to () (block)). If there's not a consistent format, then there probably should be one.

(Thanks to Naleksuh for bringing this up)
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I looked at the Editing Conventions, and they say that "capitalization for blocks remain the same as the title; for example, Tempo (block) changes to 'Tempo' and Project Downloading (1.4) changes to 'Project Downloading.'" If this is the case, should we change articles that don't follow this capitalization to match? What about articles that just use scratchblocks code?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I am okay with the block name the same as in the title, however I do think that this means the title system should be changed, as it is currently using incorrect grammar, unnecessary disambigs, and not even aligning with the actual names used in Scratch

For example:

* If on Edge, Bounce (block) will become "if on edge, bounce" (yes, titles that start with a lowercase letter *are* possible - can be done individually or via the infobox)

* Boolean Block will become "Boolean block"

* How to Move Sprites with the Arrow Keys will become "How to move sprites with the arrow keys"

* Advanced Topics (forum) will become "Advanced Topics"

* New Scratcher Status will become "New Scratcher status"

* Scratch Design Studio will stay "Scratch Design Studio"

Any objections? Naleksuh (talk) 18:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

It's ironic that I have to be this person this time.

I brought this up nearly 3 years ago, and most people agreed that capitalization here is not ideal. However, Scimonster, an admin who predates me by nearly 6 years, came out of inactivity just to push down the idea. He quoted JSO, a founder:

“	I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but I really think this is a change we should not put our efforts and time in. I think the titles look just fine as they are, but most importantly I think it's not worth either breaking every single link ever created to the wiki or messing up the wiki by creating hundreds of redirects.	”
– JSO

I appreciate your eagerness to improve the Wiki, but suggesting sweeping radical changes literal hours after being accepted is not the way to go about it.

Also, fight your own fights. Why did you make Groko bring it up instead of posting it yourself?
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  20:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

So, we should make sure all pages follow the same capitalization as the title, correct? What about pages with scratchblocks code? Personally, I think we should change them if the scratchblock replaces the bolded words in the intro paragraph, like in Set Video Transparency to () (block), but leave scratchblocks elsewhere.
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 04:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

"I appreciate your eagerness to improve the Wiki, but suggesting sweeping radical changes literal hours after being accepted is not the way to go about it." I do not appreciate the condescending tone here. Especially not when "literal hours" was all I needed to find that multiple blocks were named wrong for over a year and half. I try to be polite and informative. Granted sometimes I fail at this. This attempts neither.

I do not agree with the text's capitalization matching the title (although I also disagree with how the titles are, so this may be null to begin with). I also do not think blocks mixed with text is a good idea, especially in introduction. Naleksuh (talk) 17:48, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

If you disagree with the Editing Conventions or titles, you should bring it up in a separate topic (although, as per what Ken said, a change in title case has been suggested and rejected multiple times now).
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 20:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Back to my original question; the Editing Conventions do not say whether blocks within the article should match the capitalization of the title; it only has guidelines for the bolded words in the intro paragraph. I think that a consistent way to refer to blocks should be added to the Editing Conventions, if one does not already exist. Personally, I think that blocks should all follow title capitalization, or else it would look strange and inconsistent. I also think that inline scratchblocks are fine as well. Thoughts?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 20:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Changing all names to truth names is a hard job as Ken said before. Yes, the capitalizations might looks like terrible, but also I think manually create redirects or move some articles are better than manually move all of them. For example, change "creepy" titles, but don't edit others so much. Maybe should use a Wiki extension - I'm not sure about that is possible, however.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Misdirected Request error

 Moved to Scratch Wiki:Bugs
Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! July 30^th, 2020

Welcome to the 30^th Thankful Thursday! July 30^th, 2020.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive!

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! You can find it here: Thankful Thursday

Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

Bananaandchoc1 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for improving so many articles, and for being so enthusiastic about editing the wiki! bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)	Thank you for helping those users who were not able to confirm their email after I asked, and for everything else you do! bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Thanks for your amazing edits and helping so frequently, keep it up! Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 15:24, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
ahmetlii (talk | contribs)	Thank you for being so active and for contributing to so many discussions! bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC) Thanks for being really active and also for recreating these blocks! Groko13 (talk | contribs) 01:27, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Groko13 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for being the first person to add your name to the Discussion Invitation System list other than me! bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)	Thanks for fixing the issue at S:CPND! Groko13 (talk | contribs) 19:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC) Thank you for fixing the punctuation error at Curator (front page)/List of Curators. R4356th (talk | contribs) 18:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC) Thank you so much for helping me out with some of the account requests and for patrolling! TenType (talk | contribs) 17:50, 17 July 2020 (UTC) Thank you for welcoming me last week and for being really friendly! Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 18:33, 17 July 2020 (UTC) Thanks for all of the edits when I'm not here.  ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  19:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC) Thank you for allowing me to delegate so much and focus on heavier work, while simultaneously escalating appropriately. I'm honored to have been elected alongside you. kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  15:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Jonathan50 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for answering my question about MIDI! Groko13 (talk | contribs) 19:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs)	You got into editing really quickly and made lots of cool edits! Keep it up! Groko13 (talk | contribs) 01:27, 22 July 2020 (UTC) Thank you for your positive, outgoing, and helpful attitude towards editing the wiki! bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)	Even though you only joined the Scratch Wiki two hours before I am writing this, I really like your edits! Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 06:36, 30 July 2020 (UTC) Thank you for seeing that you can help us and then acting on that observation. kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  15:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC) Thank you for being bold in your edits and for trying to move the wiki forward, even on your first day. bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
TenType (talk | contribs)	You're undeniably a great Experienced Wikian and a crucial part of this wiki. Thank you for patrolling, handling account requests, editing, and for everything else you do. bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
12944qwerty (talk | contribs)	Thanks for coming back excited to participate in the community again. I'm looking forward to your future edits! bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
jakel181 (talk | contribs)	Thanks for running this wonderful fountain of positivity! bigpuppy talk | contribs 21:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

“

There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

”

The next TT is, August 27^th, see you then!
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 05:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 05:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for posting, but this is last month's TT. You probably want to change that?
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 05:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

As the other informal runner of TT, I think jake doesn't mind if I edit the archive number in his post. Thanks for pointing it out!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Full names in past revisions of Frozen Coco

Although the page is now a redirect to Collaboration, past revisions of the page Frozen Coco contains full names of several Scratchers. Should those revisions be deleted (an instance of a Scratchers's full name that was their past username was deleted from the list of curators page on this wiki)?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 11:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd think yes, since the full names in Collaboration (group) were removed by someone who was mentioned in the article. However, this would also mean that several revisions of Collaboration (group) would have to be deleted too.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I've left a message on Ken's talk page referring him to this discussion. Thanks for pointing this out, Jammum!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:37, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

They should be deleted according to CG except like User:mtwoll and S:DISCORD. I think if someone wants to delete, admins can delete them; but no more than that.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  17:27, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to delegate a little - could someone with more time or willpower find the specific (inclusive) start and end revisions where full names are mentioned, so that I can delete all the ones in between? Thanks.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  03:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Yep! Special:Diff/72761 to Special:Diff/238261.
TenType (talk | contribs) 03:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I hid all the revisions between them (inclusive) and also found the revisions in Frozen Coco that had full names myself and hid those. Thanks to everyone for your efforts and escalation!  Done
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

(Bigpuppy, now that you're admin you can handle issues like this yourself as well, just so you know )
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  12:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Promoting Bigpuppy

Hi all,

We, (some of) the current Experienced Wikians, admins, and bureaucrats, have been in discussion.

Bigpuppy (talk | contribs) has been an excellent and active EW, as I'm sure anyone in the community can agree (and judging by Thankful Thursday contributions, some people agree to quite a large extent). However, at times it seems that he is limited by the lack of tools he has access to - protection, in particular, comes to mind as something he still has to ask higher-ups for, when really it's a day-to-day task that he is perfectly capable of handling himself.

With that in mind, we think it's in the best interest to give bigpuppy the sysop usergroup. However, since this is more out of context than most other promotions that have happened in history, we've decided to use the precedent that scmb1 set when promoting jvvg: put it to a vote.

Vote  Yes or  No for whether to promote bigpuppy to administrator. There's no particular voting period, I'll just make the decision after I think enough people have voted to make the community opinion clear.

I'll start: I vote  Yes.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  04:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

 Yes - definitely!
TenType (talk | contribs) 05:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

 Yes
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  06:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

 Yes - Absolutely, Bigpuppy has been a great EW!
ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 07:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Bigpuppy, you can vote for yourself too, by the way - if you don't want to be an admin, just vote no and we'll forget the whole thing. I don't want to thrust administratorship upon you without your consent. I will, however, assume you're happy to be admin.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  11:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

 Yes I completely agree.
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 12:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

 Yes 100% Yes
Jakel181 (talk | contribs) 13:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

 Yes!
Groko13 (talk | contribs) 13:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

 Yes definitely
Godslamb (talk | contribs) 16:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Yes! Absolutely, he's really helpful!
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 16:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

 Yes
ajsya  Profile | Talk | Contribs  17:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

 Yes We truly wouldn't know what we'd do without you.
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not going to vote, since that feels odd, but I feel like I should say something: thank you for the opportunity, Ken and everyone else. Whether or not this vote comes out as successful, I will know that whatever gets decided is what the community thinks is best.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

The community has spoken, and all I see is overwhelming approval.  Bigpuppy, you have now been made an admin! You can take a look at the new permissions you have here. I'm sure you will do well with them. Thank you for all your contributions to date, and here's to many more!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  10:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Well done Bigpuppy! You deserve it!
Filmlover12 (talk | contribs) 12:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! I hope to do well in this role!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ If I saw it earlier, I would've said  Yes. Congrats anyway!
 VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  19:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Raspberry Pi Extensions

According to this, there are 3 Scratch Extensions that are only available on the Raspberry Pi offline version of Scratch. They are a GPIO extension, a Sense HAT extension and a Simple Electronics extension. Would they be notable enough to have Wiki Articles about them?
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 10:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be a violation of S:NOSP?
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 14:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

If I know right, Scratch Wiki isn't accepting user-generated extensions anymore except the old ones. Also, I'm not sure about notability.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  15:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)(edited)

@Garnetluvcookie — it says in the article that Jammum linked "... Scratch 3 was released in January this year, and since then we and the Scratch team have put lots of work into creating an offline version for Raspberry Pi." If the Scratch Team was working on it too, I think that it is not a violation of S:NOSP.

@ahmetlii — Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's for user-generated Scratch extensions (e.g. Insanity). We still have articles about things like the Pen Extension and Video Sensing Extension.

@Jammum — I'm not sure whether they are notable enough either.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I would say that anything in official Scratch releases is beyond question of notability, even if only available on some platforms, it is not user-generated content. -unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Changed "the extensions" to "user-generated extensions". Sorry for confusion. :)
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  10:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

RPi extensions must be documented, because they were worked on by the ST themselves. Naleksuh and Bigpuppy are correct here. Please go ahead and make those articles. My only RPi uses Raspbian Lite with no desktop, so I can't look at the extensions myself, unfortunately - if anyone has the full Raspbian on an RPi, I'd love to see some info on the extensions!
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  13:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

" Naleksuh and Bigpuppy are correct here." Me and bigpuppy said opposite things though. I assume that you mean it is notable, while bigpuppy had said that it wasn't. In any case, I myself do have a Raspberry Pi and under the grounds that they are notable will be creating these articles :) -unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)

Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically

 Not done
It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.
 ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory  15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

TemplatesFTW already does that; or do you mean a different way of automating it?
bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...
ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Have a dedicated page for feedback on the account request system

 Not done

I was browsing through some old CP archives, and one of the topics reminded me of a suggestion I thought of earlier. My suggestion may have been partly inspired by an account request I reviewed that included feedback on the account request system.

Currently, I leave users one of two messages if I accept their account request. I use this one if their request meets all the requirements already (I have preserved the external links, since this is how I post it on the Scratch website):

“

Hello, (USERNAME). Congratulations - your Scratch Wiki account request was accepted! You can log in here with the password sent to your email address: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Login Begin here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:NEW Make sure to follow the guidelines, shown at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:GUIDES. If you have questions, visit https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:FAQ and if they aren't answered there, feel free to ask me or any other Wikian! Have fun!

”

Now, some people inevitably miss something in S:CONTRIB. When we're reviewing account requests, and someone seems to have put in effort and has not missed too much of S:CONTRIB, we first put their request on hold. We comment on their profile and ask them further questions. If they satisfy the requirements after replying to our comment(s), we accept their request. This is all outlined in Scratch Wiki:Become a contributor/Admin Guide.

This is the comment I leave on people's profiles if I first put their request on hold and then accept it:

“

Thanks, that's all. Congratulations - your Scratch Wiki account request was accepted! You can log in here with the password sent to your email address: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Special:Login Begin here: https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:NEW Make sure to follow the guidelines, shown at https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:GUIDES. If you have questions, visit https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/S:FAQ and if they aren't answered there, feel free to ask me or any other Wikian! Have fun!

”

Some Experienced Wikians have a slight variation of this message, but we all link them to Special:Login, S:NEW, S:GUIDES, and S:FAQ (or other shortcuts that link to those pages). Now, why am I mentioning the messages that I use when accepting someone's account request? Well, because those may be changed if my suggestion gets implemented.

What is my suggestion? Well, in short, I think we should have a dedicated page for feedback on our account request system. As a wiki, we should always be looking to improve; and this is a way to do it. People can already give feedback on the account request system (or anything else wiki-related, for that matter) in the CP, but feedback is not actively facilitated. This is why I think we should have a dedicated page.

This page would be specifically designed to be easy-to-use for people who are new to the Scratch Wiki and wikis in general. Users would be able to click a link or button, and the "new section" interface would be filled with a form where they could insert their feedback. The user's signature would be automatically inserted at the end. It would be similar to the link users click to nominate themselves for an EW election.

However, I don't think that the page should just exist — I think we should actively make New Wikians aware of it. When someone gets accepted, the account request system is fresh in their mind, and they may have some ideas on how to improve it. However, they may not know where they can put that feedback, or may be too nervous to make us aware of it. My first thought was to add a link to the page to the messages used when accepting users. If we feel that that already has too much information, we could also add it to S:WELCOME.

Of course, all of this is subject to change. What do y'all think of this idea? Is it a good one? A bad one? Do you have any ideas to make it better? Everyone's feedback is equally valued.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Project talk:Become a contributor
-unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)

Thanks for your comment. However, did you read my whole suggestion? That page does not include everything I suggested. Plus, my suggestion would not encompass feedback on just S:CONTRIB, but also on the Special:RequestAccount interface, how we manage account requests, etc. Thank you for reminding me of that page, though!
bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I understood what you were saying. However it may have been my fault for including only a link instead of an additional explanation. My point here was that I do not believe a whole new page is necessary, but that the existing page should suffice, and that discussions there can be extended to this new ground (since Special pages do not have talk pages). b
-unsigned comment by Naleksuh (talk | contribs)

Alright. So, assuming that we would not create a whole new page, but rather extend that page to be about feedback on the account request system in general, what do you think of my other suggestions (e.g. actively facilitating feedback, making the page easy to use even for people new to wikis, etc.)? Thank you for your quick response, by the way — it is greatly appreciated.
bigpuppy talk | contribs 02:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Is hosting images only for outside the Scratch Wiki allowed?

A user (not naming who) on this wiki made a page in their userspace saying they will host images using the wiki because 'cubeupload is down'. An image on that page seems like it will most likely be used outside the Wiki only. Also, a few months ago, a few images were deleted because they were only used outside the Scratch Wiki.

So, is it allowed for users to host images for only outside the Scratch Wiki? I think it is not.
Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ My 2,282 Contribs - 🐱 Scratch) 14:33, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

No. It is not allowed. I can't find where it says that in the wiki but I know it is not allowed. The Scratch Wiki is not an image hosting service.
 EIephant_Lover  Talk  Contributions  Subpages  15:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

 No, it is not allowed. This hasn't been explicitly codified yet but it's been a rule that the EWs and admins have operated under for quite a while. We're responding here first while we amend the guidelines. Thanks for bringing this up.
kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory  16:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

It could be an issue to state it because people might start to clog up the servers with random images.
ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 18:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Why won't my custom sig work?

I have my sig set to be {{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} but why won't my custom sig show up when signing?
Garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs) 20:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Have you either:

• Not treated it as wikitext, if not, it won't work
• Forgotten to save it

Also, I recommend you make a minisig so that you don't leak wikimarkup everywhere when posting. All you have to do is create a new file and embed the signature it and use that when adjusting your preferences.
ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC)