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Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,211edit 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

(I have edited this topic a little from its original version)
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive?
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Done.
Updated the list as the author.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,211edit 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Updated!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,211edit 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Updated.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,211edit 14:16, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Logging server faults

No Never Done

See dedicated subpage
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically

Yes Done
It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

TemplatesFTW already does that; or do you mean a different way of automating it? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...
ContourLines Logo.png ContourLines Talk | Contributions | Directory 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
@ContourLines — you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, S:STYLE says not to use the external link markup (see #internal-scratch-links). You can use [[users:USERNAME]] for users, [[studios:ID]] for studios, and [[projects:ID]] for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to S:STYLE (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Ahmetlii, I think this is Yes Done; is that correct? :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

How do I make a fill width CSS for SWS2

As per title.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thankful Thursday! September 24th, 2020

Welcome to the 32nd Thankful Thursday! September 24th, 2020.

What is Thankful Thursday?

Thankful Thursday is a way of showing appreciation to other Wikians. Feel free to congratulate someone for finishing a large page, or even just give minor thanks for a minor edit. Just remember to keep everything positive! :)

How to Thank

We have a whole wiki page on it! :D You can find it here: Thankful Thursday


Thanks

The Thanks are *drum roll please*

User Thanks
Bigpuppy (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for everything you've done to help the Wiki ;-;
    Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  16:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Without a doubt, you've been an amazing administrator around the wiki. Especially with patrolling these days with a lot of edits in Recent Changes, it takes a lot of work and effort. I don't know what I'd do without your help. Thank you!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for literally spamming activity on the Wiki and also for thanking millions of people, that's some gratitude and effort.
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
garnetluvcookie (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for being so active! We appreciate editors like you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • A big thanks to you for your activity, keep going! I also really like the blur effect you incorporated in your header. :)
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
ThatOneWeirdDude (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your edits recently! I'm glad you decided to join the wiki! I hope you decide to continue! :D
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
VFDan (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your recent contributions, such as those to discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Naleksuh (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for making so many constructive edits to the wiki! It is clear that you have a talent for editing, so thank you for using that talent to help the Scratch Wiki. (Thanks also for your help in upgrading MediaWiki!) :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your massive amounts of bold contributions, we really appreciate what you are doing here. You've been a great editor!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
12944qwerty (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for your constructive contributions to discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your work with Wiki Wednesday and other initiatives such as the New User Recommendations program! :D
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for being such an intuitive SW member - always finding new ideas to improve it, introducing new tactics, and being an awesome helper in general!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
4096bits (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for all your edits! Even though you just started this month, you are already proving yourself as a helpful member of our community. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your many contributions lately! Keep it up!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Ahmetlii (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you so much for being consistently active and helpful. You're a wonderful editor and community member! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • All throughout the year, you have been active and cooperative. Thank you for your dedication to the wiki!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
TenType (talk | contribs)
  • I can't thank you enough for your work patrolling and reviewing account requests. You bring a friendly and upbeat attitude to the wiki, and it's been great working with you. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Petition to add an auto-thank feature for absolutely amazing people
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Am395397 (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for the interesting food for thought you posted on my talk page (for those who haven't seen it, it is here and here). :P
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
banana439monkey (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your work as an Experienced Wikian; I and others appreciate you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
  • Welcome back, and thanks for your edits recently! You are greatly appreciated as a Scratch and Scratch Wiki community member. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Ayyy, you're back and already contributing a lot! Thank you for your edits!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Leahcimto (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for your edits and activity recently! I hope you are having fun editing the wiki, since your edits are greatly appreciated. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Apple502j (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for being such a large help in finding and fixing vulnerabilities, and for being a great Experienced Wikian! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for helping with those Recent Changes issues people were having, and generally thank you for all of the technical help apart from mere edits too!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
jakel181 (talk | contribs)
  • As always, thanks for running Thankful Thursday and helping the wiki in other ways, such as by reviewing account requests. Everyone here appreciates you! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for being my humorous friend who trolled me using German and English! I'll never forgot that!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
ArtsyStrawberry (talk | contribs)
Kenny2scratch (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for everything you've done for the wiki, from the day you joined to today. I'm glad that you decided to join the wiki, since you're an integral part of our community. It's great that you've found time to help us out even during your studies, though I know you are aware that at this point in time your studies are much more important than editing the wiki. ;)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • You spend so much effort on taking care of the Wiki, it's honestly mesmerizing. It's hard to keep your focus on thing like that, and you take care of it so much and help sooo many people. You're amazing!
    -unsigned comment by Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs)
Dominic305 (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for being so active recently! You are greatly appreciated as an editor and person. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for helping me with that Recent Changes bug!
    Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 14:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Illusion705 (talk | contribs)
jvvg (talk | contribs)
  • I'm not sure what the wiki would do without you. And I'm not just saying that to be nice; I'm really not sure what the wiki would do without you. The fact that you've been contributing impeccable edits, code, and admin work to the wiki since 2012—with little to nothing except the joy of contributing in return—is admirable. This is made even more impressive by the fact that you now have a job and are still active. I think I can speak for all editors when I say thank you. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Whenever I need help or I need some bureaucrat action, you're pretty much always available to respond. You've dedicated so much time to the wiki, I can't thank you enough for it!
    TenType (talk | contribs) 03:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
MartinWollenweber (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for making sure the wikis have a home. Wonderful things happen here, and you make them possible. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 02:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
NYCDOT (talk | contribs)
Jammum (talk | contribs)
  • Thanks for being so active, suggesting so many things on the Community Portal, editing many pages, and participating in so many discussions! :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs)
  • Thank you for writing this comment. I feel it is very well-written, and has a calm and respectful demeanor. :)
    Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now-
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


The next TT is, October 29th, see you then!

No Not done
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

wow big thanks
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Whoa! Thanks! :)
4096bits PFP.gif 4096bits | Talk | 223 Contribs | Profile 13:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Merge Check users and Supressors user groups with bureaucrats or administrators

Except for the Interface Admin user group, two other user groups were added in the new MediaWiki upgrade. They are mentioned in the title of this topic. I think those groups are unnecessary and could be merged and have their rights moved to other usergroups.
Jammum Icon.png Jammum (💬 Talk - ✍️ Contributions - 🐱 Scratch) 05:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

These were actually removed already removed in 28, but were inadvertently restored by the upgrade. However, I personally feel like they should not be removed for a number of reasons:
1) CheckUser and Suppressor inherently mean access to confidential information, which is usually specifically mentioned in the privacy policy. Voting in users for bureaucrat should not typically result in access to private information.
2) Users who have access to such information generally are scrutinized much more than users who do not. Suppressors need to deal with PII like real names, home addresses, and anything else like that. It is not the role of a bureaucrat to handle stuff like that.
3) Scratch Wiki has a tendency to treat user groups like a hierarchy (i.e. Bureaucrat is better than sysop, which is better than Experienced Wikian). I think that these three new user groups help remove this bad aura.
4) Bureaucrat does not have an age requirement, but I do not want minors to have access to the information that CheckUsers and Suppressors do.
There are a number of other reasons as well that they should not be merged, but this is just off the top of my head. Comments about Interface admin can be directed to a couple threads above this, which I assume Jammum has seen.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 05:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
For your last statement, literally 99% of users are under the age of 18. I'm a minor, and I feel extremely offended by this comment. It just enforces a stereotype that everyone under the age of 13 is dumb. Also, it wouldn't be a fair opportunity for everyone. I know that admins are encouraged to have access to the discord server, but it is not mandatory.
For your 2nd statement, there isn't much personal info on my (and everyone else's) account. As long as you trust (or the majority trusts) the user, you'll be fine.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  12:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I don't see anything about 'all people under 13 are dumb' in the post above yours. Also there is definently personal info in our accounts - I wouldn't really want people to be able to see my email address.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Support to @Dominic305. There's also a legal side; we must ensure that someone is not using emails for email hacking or phishing - that's why we must give these roles to people that older 13 (for juridical capacity) and trusted users by the community. This doesn't mean that people under 13 is dumb, but that's risky - give a user that does not have juridical capacity may make unwanted legal consequences.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
After reading these, I have a proposal. There should be 2 bureaucrat ranks. One for users under the age of 13, and one for users over the age of 13. If a user is elected or appointed bureaucrat, and they happen to be underage, they would get a similar rank to normal bureaucrat but the permissions regarding the viewing and changing of personal information would be removed. This wouldn't be publicised unless the user does it themselves.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  18:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Imho nobody needs to have those perms. And just because somebody is over 13, they're automatically not going to do anything malicious with the emails? I signed up with my personal email, and I don't want anybody to know my name (I prefer anonymity). Besides, how would you know they are 13? I can easily say I'm 22, although that's a blatant lie. How would allowing any user group to view emails benefit the wiki?
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  20:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

First of all, the age in question would be 18 and not 13 as 13-year-olds are still minors and are not legally able to sign non-disclosure agreements (although they are able to be bound by privacy policies). Also, I think that simply having two groups based on age only (halfway) solves one of the issues at hand and does not solve any of the others. For example, one could be granted CheckUser/Supressor and not bureaucrat; or bureaucrat and not CheckUser/Suppressor. The two groups should not be merged into bureaucrat, and I think that having seperate groups for users who are over or under 13 is simply problematic, discriminatory, and does not solve the issues at all.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
To VFDan, while asking for a users' birthday is sufficient for COPPA compliance, for access to confidential information, proof of legal identification is usually required, and lying about the age would immediately be found out.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
If the age would be 18, then let's just get rid of literally every single admin or EW! I have a hunch that almost every EW/Admin is under 18, leaving the very few 18+ admins to do all the work. Many adults have jobs to do, and that explains their activity.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  21:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree that no one should need to see user emails.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
14:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Support (for merging groups). We don't need more groups, and most of the bureaucrats can view any content stored in a database. Also we don't have a way to confirm their age.
It's also important to see what is "confidential" - I am not sure if we ever used "suppress". We always used normal revision delete, and I am not sure if there is any information that should be hidden from admins. (note: EWs can't view deleted revisions) There are variety of things removed from a page - mostly email and social media/chat website links, and "hiding vandalism". Email or chat website links, IMO, aren't confidential enough to require suppression. Only certain PIIs like home addresses, phone numbers or social security numbers would need suppression, and I personally have never seen someone putting their home address on this wiki. Hiding vandalism is just to prevent name-and-shame by the viewers of the Wiki. If you think they should be oversighted, then we should fire admins that do bad things instead.
There could be some legal reasons to use oversighting but I honestly don't think that'll happen. As far as I know, there is no law that enforces us to remove links to social media.
While IP address could be considered confidential, again, I don't think there is a reason to have separate group.
Naleksuh mentioned that current system is like a hierarchy - and that is true. However, this is supposed to happen. Bureaucrats have more privileges than admins because they are responsible for maintaing all Scratch Wikis. They are like stewards in Wikimedia wikis. Administrators have basic privileges for managing one wiki, and EWs help admins, easier to obtain (than admins) but with less privileges.
I probably should also mention one more thing - currently, there is only one active bureaucrat. If we have groups for CheckUser and suppression, it is kinda obvious that there will be less CheckUsers than bureaucrats, especially with an age requirement. However, both CUs and suppressors are essential (if we actually use them, which we never did for suppressors) when fighting vandalism.
I understand that we are not Wikipedia - but given that the whole idea of suppressor and checkuser groups came from Wikimedia wikis, I think we shouldn't forget this fact: Stewards can use both CheckUser and Oversight. Stewards are people who assign groups, and help people cross-wiki. There is one existing group that basically does the same job, on Scratch Wikis, which is bureaucrat. Bureaucrats (with some exceptions, if any) have access to all Scratch Wikis, as bureaucrats, and can modify the database and the files at will, and have full control over Scratch Wikis.
This discussion could be bumped when we introduce actual per-wiki bureaucrats. However, we don't have them yet, so for now there is no use for separate user groups.
Also one note: who is minor and who isn't, totally depends on the country.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,211edit 08:28, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Apple, no one cares about age. Ken has been a bureaucrat since he was 14. Me, an EW since 14. All of us started being an EW as minors, and some bureaucrats and administrators. Suppression is hiding edit summaries. Email and chat are very confidential and should be removed. Not all bureaucrats are on all wikis.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (3,118)) 11:08, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
No, giving minors access to legally confidential information contains legal problems to no end. The "we don't have a way to confirm their age" further confirms a lack of understanding. As Banana said, the information here is not simply hiding vandalism or certain edit summaries and may not under any circumstances be made available to non-functionaries. Merge No Not done
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 18:05, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

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I'm not sure what you mean by "legally confidential information". There are some information that are definitely confidential - like social security number, but I've never seen them posted on the wiki. PIIs are probably included in that category, but I don't think it's a common problem. Emails and IP addresses may be considered as PII. Note that links to social media, common reason of per-revision deletion, are mostly banned for moderation reasons; There is little to no reason to use oversight for those.
Of those confidential information, which are legally confidential, and which cause legal problems when accessed by minors? I do not know details on German laws, but if I remember correctly, GDPR did not enforce such restrictions (or am i wrong?)
This is a technical fact that I am sure it's correct: "suppression" and "oversight" have the same meaning. Suppression includes suppressing revision, edit summary, log, etc.
To be honest, I don't think we are legally required to remove "confidential information" - without requests from them. Wiki contents are intended to be public, so submitting contents would mean agreeing to make them public. There may be some legal cases where this doesn't apply, but I'm sure we (most of the time) remove confidential information to reduce harm (to them) caused by making them public, and is not because of legal obligations.
We probably can restrict access to raw IP address because I don't think we ever used them - we just need to confirm that two accounts are owned by the same IP.
Also, remember that even Wikimedia has exemptions to age requirement!
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,211edit 09:50, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
I don't really see a need for somebody knowing my email. There is absolutely no reason to know any PIIs besides the IP address.
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  13:43, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Email is not exposed to CUs/Suppressors, unless you write it on the wiki pages, which is probably your fault.
Logo of Apple502j.jpg Apple502j Talk/Activities 2,211edit 00:52, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Minor Grammatical Issue in Footer

It says "Privacy policy" instead of Privacy Policy. Should not this be fixed?
R4356th (talk | contribs) 17:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

It's same though and I think that it should not be capitalized because of it's a general title (bundled with MediaWiki).
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
It's capitalized on Scratch though
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Should we copy everything on Scratch's footer to here? There are a lot of links there that aren't here....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  18:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
This is not a "grammatical issue" or something that must be "fixed"-- capitalization like that is common, but Scratch Wiki has the idea of Capitalizing Everything Ever. For example, the default capitalization for Special:RecentChanges is Recent chamges, but was changed on Scratch Wiki to Recent changes. As for copying over the Scratch footer, a rewrite of ScratchWikiSkin into ScratchWikiSkin3 was proposed on Discord, but I do not know if that is happening. Currently, the skin uses various MediaWiki messages, usually introducing new ones, but sometimes using existing ones, which I would guess Privacy policy is one of those cases.
Naleksuh (talk | contribs) 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

November Featured Images

No Not done

I just updated the featured images with suggestions from the CP. Does anyone have any ideas for the next set of featured images (which will come at the end of October or the beginning of November)? If so, please post them here. Thanks! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 03:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

How about File:Report.PNG?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  11:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
I suggest File:Change profile pic.png. :)
@garnetluvcookie That image doesn't exist, do you mean File:Report Screen.PNG?
TenType (talk | contribs) 22:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
yes, I do, I just have the worst short term memory ever :P
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  23:14, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
I suggest File:Scratch Team.jpg or File:Join Flow 7.png.
4096bits PFP.gif 4096bits | Talk | 223 Contribs | Profile 12:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Is there an archive where all the previous images are listed ?
-unsigned comment by Scratcheur-2020Send (talk | contribs) 10:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

A proposal for talk page formatting

No Not done
So when we edit on talk pages, we seem to just keep indenting over and over, without any logic. I was thinking we could instead indent to show who we are replying to, sort of like this example. It would more clearly show who each person is talking to and clear up confusion. New posts would still go below old posts, but instead under what you're replying to. I'm pretty bad at explaining so you can ask for any clarification. What are your thoughts?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
01:28, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

An idea similar to (or the same as) this idea has been suggested before, back in 2017 (wow, time flies!). I just thought I'd point that out so you could read the discussion. Also, a system where you indent to show who you're replying to is already used in some discussions by several users (see #RfC about the usage of fixed with in ScratchWikiSkin2 for an example); but it isn't the most used system, I suppose. :)
Also, this is nitpicking at semantics, but I would disagree with your statement that our current most popular system is "without any logic"; the very fact that users following the convention must indent one : more than the previous post gives it logic. However, again, this is nitpicking. ;)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 01:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
It seems that no one ever actually came to a decision, so maybe I'll invite some people to this discussion?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
14:10, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Hmm... I agree that there is no logical order in which we indent currently, but the alternative proposal you're suggesting also will get very complicated for longer topics. You wouldn't know who you're replying to. (This is just in my head, I'm not sure if this will work or not, my imagination says it's not going to work but I can't be so sure :D )
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  17:40, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
We could still use things like "@kaj: Why did you hack my friend?" and stuff to prevent confusion.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
18:05, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
We could just do a template like Wikipedia's "talk page" template. Anyway, nobody cannot force someone for something, so the best thing is explanation.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
18:39, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
IMO this is more confusing than the current system; we should just keep indenting the way we do now. Using stuff like "@kaj: please don't hack me I didn't do anything wrong" is more clear IMO. And often you might not be replying to anyone in particular, so where do you put it then?
VFDan.png VFDan  Talk  Contribs  On Scratch  14:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm not saying we completely ditch @ing people. As for not replying in particular, that would be indent level 0.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
15:36, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────This seems more confusing for me in long topics, even with using @mention in every message. For short topics, this wouldn't be too confusing, but overall, I disagree with this idea. These are just my thoughts though; maybe we could make this technique less complex for long topics?
TenType (talk | contribs) 22:18, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

LEGO BOOST Page

We have pages about the Raspberry PI system, the LEGO WeDo Construction Set system, but I'm noticing we don't have one about LEGO BOOST. I have a very less knowledge about this stuff (as always), so could somebody please take the effort to create a page containing all the information? Thanks.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 17:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Actually, we already have one at LEGO BOOST Extension, unless you mean something else. :)
Groko13 Logo.png Groko13 / talk / contribs 20:49, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
No — do you notice the red link labelled "LEGO BOOST"? Unless I'm misinterpreting it, there should be page related to what that is and how it's related to the extension. For example, the Raspberry Pi has a page about it's Scratch extension but also about it's hardware and how it's relevant to Scratch.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 12:27, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Capitalization issue with 3.0 blocks

Hey folks, I've been working on a project to fix and improve the LEGO BOOST extension for a while now and it's complete, but while I was doing it I noticed an issue with the 3.0 blocks on the Wiki: all of the lowercase "i"s kept turning into a capital "i" and in the code it was still lowercase. I don't know if this is a known issue, but it could be misleading.
Nambaseking01 (talk | contribs) 12:25, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Missing Discussions

Hello, everyone! After creating the 109th Community Portal archive, I moved quite a few discussions to Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Not Done. One upside of this is to prevent premature archiving of the CP. If you're wondering where a discussion went, it was probably either archived or moved to Not Done. Please also consider contributing to some of the discussions in Not Done! :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 19:16, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Reminder

I’d like to remind y’all (no, I’m not from Kentucky or near there) that you shouldn’t assume others gender, even from their mediawiki preferences. For example, I have my gender set as “female” in my settings, though I don’t use female pronouns. It’s always best to ask someone for their pronouns, or just use the neutral pronoun “they”.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  03:36, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

I definitely agree that you shouldn't assume others' pronouns; however, I'm not sure how referring to someone based on their MediaWiki preferences is doing that. The MediaWiki preferences actually don't use the words "male," "female," etc.; they explicitly ask about your pronouns. So, if someone has that preference set as "she," for instance, then I don't think that referring to them as "she" is "assuming their gender." Of course, if someone prefers to be called something other than what is listed on that page, then users should use what they prefer instead, but then they probably wouldn't change the preference from the default (as you called it, "neutral") option ("they"). Could you please clarify why you think that referring to someone based on the pronouns they have said they prefer to be described as is "assuming their gender"? Thank you. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 03:58, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
I’m pretty sure that that changed during the update, and plus the mw magic word is gender, so misconceptions can be made. Also, I’d like to also not that someone’s gender identity doesn’t always have to line up with their pronouns (for example, I identify as a cis female and present myself irl as feminine, but I prefer gender neutral pronouns on the internet because my internet “persona” is way more different than I act in real life.)
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  04:06, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
I’d also like to note as a “straight” and “cis” ally, though this isn’t used anymore, he/she or she/he is not an OK substitute for the perfectly fine gender neutral pronoun “they”.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  04:11, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
  • "I’m pretty sure that that changed during the update, ..."
    • Are you 100% sure about that? We shouldn't assume whether it did or not. Anyhow, we can get confirmation on this.
  • "... and plus the mw magic word is gender, so misconceptions can be made."
    • Misconceptions can be made about anything. You just need to clear them up so they don't get made again. The purpose of that preference is so that the software knows how to correctly refer to you, so saying that you shouldn't use it as a guide to know how to refer to users goes against the point of it.
  • "Also, I’d like to also not that someone’s gender identity doesn’t always have to line up with their pronouns (for example, I identify as a cis female and present myself irl as feminine, but I prefer gender neutral pronouns on the internet because my internet “persona” is way more different than I act in real life.)"
    • This is irrelevant here. As I said, the purpose of that preference is so that the software knows how to correctly refer to you, and hence it explicitly asks about your pronouns. If someone represents that preference as anything else, they are misrepresenting the preference.
  • "I’d also like to note as a 'straight' and 'cis' ally, though this isn’t used anymore, he/she or she/he is not an OK substitute for the perfectly fine gender neutral pronoun 'they'."
    • I agree, but that's a different issue; why are you bringing it up here?
My points are not meant to sound harsh (I'm sorry if they do), but I'm just trying to make sure that the purpose of that preference is being addressed. Again, I agree that you shouldn't assume others' pronouns, but I disagree that using this preference to refer to someone is doing so. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:22, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
I get your points, but as someone who has many queer friends who feel strongly about this and so do I, (pardon me if I sound odd or rude, I’m a bit sleepy) and I just wanted to bring it up as a friendly reminder because it’s never OK to assume one’s gender, and in modern times we need to learn that. My opinions may be a bit biased, but you get the point.
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  04:30, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Now you're changing the topic of what we're discussing. We're not discussing whether it's okay to assume users' genders (or assume users' pronouns); I think we both agree that it's never okay to do that. What we're discussing is whether using someone's pronoun preferences to refer to them is assuming their pronouns; and I don't think that referring to someone as "he" (for example) if they have selected that they prefer to be referred to as "he" is doing that. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:37, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
I get it now. Since it’s almost 1 AM where I am and I literally don’t have the mental energy to go in depth about anything, I’m going to call this done. if you have other concerns, feel free to contact me on my talk page sine I’ll still have this on until I fall asleep involuntarily. (Wikipedia editor moment)
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  04:51, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Alright, let's make it official: Yes Done. Have a good rest of your night. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk ▪︎ contribs 04:55, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

"Becoming a Scratcher" section

I'm going to make a section on either Scratcher or New Scratcher about how you become a Scratcher (with images for each slide of the process). Which article should I do it on?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
11:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

I would say on Scratcher but make a section in New Scratcher summarizing the how-to.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
So something like this?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
15:17, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, like that...
You don't have to link a difference externally, you can just do Special:Diff/273783...
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  15:23, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

What should I do if...

Yes Done

What should I do if someone posts a message on my talk page just in the middle of nowhere with no subject or anything, just a message? (It still has a sig)
Leahcimto scratch profile picture.png leahcimto [ Talk Page | Edits | On Scratch ] 20:11, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

You can create a title for it and you can say "Message from ...".
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:16, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks!
Leahcimto scratch profile picture.png leahcimto [ Talk Page | Edits | On Scratch ] 20:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I would say that you could just read the text, and make a subject based on that. The header is used for others to know what the basis of the conversation would be about.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  20:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
@12944qwerty: if it's not included a clear subject, my suggestion may be the preferred; I think.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Agreed I guess. A message, if not clear, could just say "Message from ..." but I doubt that would happen often...
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:30, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Making search boxes

Yes Done
Is there a way to make search boxes in the Scratch Wiki, like the one on top of the CP, except with the "Try exact match" button and the line break before the buttons?
4096bits PFP.gif 4096bits | Talk | 223 Contribs | Profile 21:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

The Try Exact Match button is part of the input box. After playing around with the <inputbox> tag, I found that the type of type=search2 will give the Exact match button. type=search gives both buttons.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:42, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Alright, thanks.
4096bits PFP.gif 4096bits | Talk | 223 Contribs | Profile 14:22, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Boi wut

[1]
There's a glitch that allows Scratchers to see dustbin topics, using 'Report Post'. Would it be notable enough if others can do it to include in the Dustbin forum topic article? Try it yourself with this link.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
11:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

But you don't see the topic.....
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  13:31, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
True, though you can see the title.
GrahamSH (talk | contribs) 13:47, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Does the title really matter though? I would think that the discussion would be more important.
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  14:19, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
I don't know, it probably wouldn't be any good. I kinda just wanted to show everyone because I thought it was interesting, without people saying it's off-topic...
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
14:42, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
I clicked the link again and now it says 'Spam Dustbin'. I do not see any mentions of 'Spam Dustbin', I only see 'Dustbin'. Does anyone have more information on this?
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
17:02, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Error while viewing GIF

Every time I try to load a thumbnail of the file File:Rickroll.gif, it displays this error:
"Error creating thumbnail: convert: memory allocation failed `/tmp/transform_177876bbf04e.gif' @ error/quantize.c/QuantizeImage/2653. convert: memory allocation failed `/tmp/transform_177876bbf04e.gif' @ error/gif.c/WriteGIFImage/1693. Error code: 1"
Can someone help me? Thanks.
4096bits PFP.gif 4096bits | Talk | 223 Contribs | Profile 17:32, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm getting this error for only the thumbnails. The main gif at the top of the screen works perfectly fine for me
12944qwerty Logo.png 12944qwerty  Talk  Contribs  Scratch  16:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Yewh, when I uploaded the image the wiki was running slow; also it's a big file so that's most likely a big part of the cause.
You just got RickRolled
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
01:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Is this a bug or what

In the www version (this link), it appears that you are signed out, but remove the www, you're signed in? Is this a bug, glitch, or something I missed because I'm now on the main site?
Garnet.gif garnetluvcookie  talk  contribs  directory  19:54, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@garnetluvcookie: It's probably proposed as a redirect to the main subdomain (en.scratch-wiki.info) but however; since MediaWiki handles for only a subdomain, it's kinda unnecessary right now. The all links from www subdomain will be redirected to the main subdomain. It's not a bug nor a glitch neither a missed thing. You can also see the same thing on www.scratch.mit.edu . The fact is www subdomains are unused in most of the websites in the Internet, but the website bureaucrats redirects them to main domain/subdomain for preventing confusion.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
20:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
That's because the cookies are only saved for the domain for which they are issued, and www.en.scratch-wiki.info and en.scratch-wiki.info are different domains. We would strongly encourage just using en.scratch-wiki.info (without the www) to avoid such issues.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 00:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Subject glitch

If you can see from this image, if you hover over the "Subject" line when making a new section, a tooltip will appear about summaries, not subjects.
Can someone fix this? Thanks :)
4096bits PFP.gif 4096bits | Talk | 223 Contribs | Profile 21:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

There is no problem here, the subject box is for writing a "summary" of your post.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
01:54, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

New ScratchSig is deployed!

A few weeks ago, Naleksuh suggested we should develop a new ScratchSig since the old one was woefully out of date and generally a kind of hacky extension (some of you may recall the XSS vulnerability discovered a while ago). Naleksuh and I have developed a newer version of the extension that is now deployed here. The only obvious difference should be that the image does not have a border on it anymore and that userpages/talk pages that do not exist appear as redlinks since those are now rendered as wikitext instead of raw HTML. This also does finally properly handle usernames with underscores, and you can enter the username either with spaces or underscores, depending on which you prefer, and the icon will display properly. Also, for users that do not exist, the icon simply will not display.

Examples representing the situations I mentioned above:


jvvg test (talk | contribs)

jvvg_test (talk | contribs)

this user cannot exist %% (talk | contribs)

Additionally, there have been some behind the scenes changes. We took a much more defensive approach to the design of the extension to avoid any future XSS attacks or similar. We also added a much better caching system using the MediaWiki object cache. For comparison, the older version was still using a kind of janky caching system added over two years ago that was intended to be temporary.

Please post a reply here if you notice any issues. And of course I need to actually sign my post even though this is a post about scratchsig.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:38, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Slight fix to jobs

I have fixed an issue with jobs. After the upgrade, we were not able to run jobs in the background, so we had to attach them to requests at random (i.e. each page load had some chance of having a job processed as part of handling the request). This caused somewhat of a slowdown and also meant that jobs didn't always run as quickly as would have been ideal. Now, jobs are run by a cron job that runs separately from any request. This should result in a slight performance improvement.

That's all. Other than that, nothing should change.
jvvg (talk | contribs) 02:35, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Table of contents

Hey everyone. I've seen on some pages that they have a table of contents. How do I get that to appear? Sorry for the short section.
8bitjake (talk | contribs) 15:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)8bitjake

They will automatically generate if the page has enough content.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
15:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Give the right of deletion of messages on their own talk pages to users

For example, here is a good example of it in Wikipedia: here. I think that the system also may work fine on Scratch Wiki. Although this rules are against to deletion of talk pages, this might be good for users whose do not want to archive (though it's accessible from history).
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:49, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't really think this is a good idea. For one, I wouldn't want to write up a message and then have a user just delete it because they feel like it. Also, the messages should be kept for reference purposes in the future. So I don't really like this idea.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
12:52, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
But the messages are always accessible through history, because we're not allowing to the deletion of page.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
12:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
But it's far easier to go to a subpage than to dig through page history.
Dominic305.png Dominic305  Talk  Contribs (1,747)  Scratch  Directory 
15:07, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
No, you can just filter from date and user contribs. That shouldn't be hard.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
15:11, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Re-RFC for S:NOSP

I think that we must edit restrictions about mods and user generated content. For example: we shouldn't create an another namespace for user-generated content, the users are already creating them on their subpages. And it must be possible to delete old and not notable mod pages.
Ahmetlii logo.gif ahmetlii  Talk  Contributions  Directory 
07:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)