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== Bulletin Board for Not-Done Topics ==
{{not done}} (this will never be done completely, so don't archive!)

Threads that need "long time and hard work" will not be archived, but moved to [[S:CPND]].

Here's some things that we need your help for.

=== <span id="Not done">Other Topics</span> ===
Topics that are not listed above.

==== About Scratch 3.0 ====
* [[S:CPND#A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All]]
* [[S:CPND#3.0 updating]]
* [[S:CPND#What should we call the Scratch 3.0 player?]]

==== About Wiki Management ====
===== Backend =====
* [[S:CPND#Embedding of Scratch Projects]]

===== Page Management =====
* [[S:CPND#Help:Contents Is missing some help pages]]
* [[S:CPND#Not Done doesn't get enough attention]]
* [[S:CPND#Not Done]]
* [[S:CPND#Split the Paint Article]]
* [[S:CPND#New page for mall simulators]]

===== Rules =====
* [[S:CPND#custom signatures]]
* [[S:CPND#Account Request Notes]]
* [[S:CPND#We have to delete Fair Use]]
* [[S:CPND#Relax S:NOSP even more]]
* [[S:CPND#Suggestion: Scratch Wiki:Featured Image Suggestions]]

===== Interwiki =====
* [[S:CPND#We need your help: Apply for getting "International Scratch Wiki Coach"]]
* [[S:CPND#Why is Interwiki not possible in the english community-portal?]]

To make sure that your thread will not be archived put the template {{not done}} at the top.

Don't forget to replace it with the {{done}} template when the thread is finally finished.

{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 11:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:(I have edited this topic a little from its original version){{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 08:16, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
::Should we add a rejected topics section so that we know which ones to archive? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 22:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
:::Done.
:::Updated the list as the author.{{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 09:36, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
::::Updated! {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 10:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

== Logging server faults ==
{{not done|Never Done}}

[[/Logging server faults|See dedicated subpage]]{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

== Misdirected Request error ==
{{not done|Moved to [[Scratch Wiki:Bugs]]}}<br/>
Sometimes, when I go to the Test Wikis and back on an iPad, I sometimes get a '412 Misdirected Request' error. However, this does not happen on a desktop computer.  {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
:I guess it's happening because of MediaWiki version. Test Wiki is using old version when compared to English Wiki. Also, there can be another reason: Test Wiki has a backdoor for FTP transfer but it has low probability.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
::Also, it's '421' error, not '412'.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
:::I have this problem too, also on an iPad. I might have gotten it on my computer before, but I don't remember.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 11:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
::::It happened on my Windows desktop just today. I think the Wifi disconnected when the screen turned off, maybe something similar happened to the iPads? <scratchsig>Jettypumpkin07</scratchsig> 11:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

== Change external Scratch links to interwiki links automatically ==

{{not done}}<br/>It could be helpful. So, I suggest it.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
:TemplatesFTW [[Special:Diff/254239|already does that]]; or do you mean a different way of automating it? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
::Do you mean that you don't have to use the external link markup when linking a scratch profile, ect...? That could be helpful...{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
:::@ContourLines  {{-}} you already don't have to use the external markup. In fact, [[S:STYLE]] says not to use the external link markup (see [[Scratch Wiki:Style Guide#internal-scratch-links|#internal-scratch-links]]). You can use <code><nowiki>[[users:USERNAME]]</nowiki></code> for users, <code><nowiki>[[studios:ID]]</nowiki></code> for studios, and <code><nowiki>[[projects:ID]]</nowiki></code> for projects. Ahmetlii suggested to change external links to these interwiki links automatically, then I said that TemplatesFTW already does it. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
::::I actually proposed the Scratch Links and added it to [[S:STYLE]] (: Anyway, I didn't see that TemplatesFTW does that, yea, I think it was good to add it to the bot. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 03:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

== [[How to Connect to the Physical World]] Is really outdated ==

[[How to Connect to the Physical World]] is really outdated. <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
:Please use internal links for links to other Scratch Wiki pages. As for this, maybe you could try to update part of it yourself? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
::@Jammum Thank you for pointing out the usage of an external link. I've corrected the formatting so that @GrahamSH can see how it is done correctly (@Jammum please wait for an EW/administrator to correct if you see this elseware). @GrahamSH I would ask that you be more specific in the types of changes that we should collaborate in order to accomplish. Thanks <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 17:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

== Would it possible to prevent users from using external links to wiki pages in the AbuseFilter? ==

Question is in title. If this were to be implemented (if it even is possible), would it apply to all non-userspace or just mainspace? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 10:50, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
:It's possible but I would never do this because sometimes there's a legitimate use for external links. Possibly an AbuseFilter warning, rather than disallow?{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
::I am asking about disallowing external links to other Scratch Wiki pages, not all external links.  {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 09:46, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
:::There is sometimes a legitimate use for external links to the Scratch Wiki, e.g.: [{{fullurl:Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal|action=purge}}]
:::Unless you're just talking about content pages. Still, though, there are probably some special cases where disallowing it would be inconvenient. A warning might be good, though. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
:::: The fullurl template can be used for some of those links that cannot be linked normally, so does that solve the problem? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
::::: (Reviving this) I think if a user uses an external link to Scratch Wiki pages, the proper way to do a link to another Wiki page could be shown. The edit could either be warned or prevented. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 13:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

== Allowing borders in custom sigs ==

I think we should allow borders in custom signatures. [[S:CSIG]] states that there shouldn't be borders in custom sigs, but so many people already have it in their signatures (kenny2scratch, 12944qwerty, EIephant_Lover, Dominic305, ahmetlii, ContourLines, ajsya, etc.) As long as the border isn't needlessly large or flashy, I believe it's fine. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 03:14, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
:I don't recall whether the rule disallows all borders. In either case, though, this is a conflict of interest because I see you have borders in your signature too...
:I agree, but then again I have borders already as well. I'd prefer if some people without borders contributed an opinion.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
::I think it's fine as long as it's not too large or draws any extra attention to the signature. I'm not sure how large "too large" would be though. {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 15:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
:::I agree too; I think also as long as it doesn't break lines (like text shadows) it should be allowed. But I'm biased too because I use them :P{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 16:20, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

== Thankful Thursday! August 27{{th}}, 2020 ==
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 031}}

{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}


The next TT is, September 25{{th}}, see you then!<scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig> 00:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{done}}<scratchsig><scratchsig>Jakel181</scratchsig>

== Time for some more...images that will be featured! ==
{{not done}}

I don't know, I had to think of another title idea. {{e|:P}}

If you have any ideas for [[Scratch Wiki Home/Featured Images|featured images]], feel free to post them below! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:58, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
:<s>I think we should feature an image of the [[S:CPND]] discussion that suggests adding a designated page for featured image suggestions.</s> {{e|:P}}

:I think that [[:File:Comment Activity.PNG|this image]] is nice, but perhaps we should update it (and the other images on [[Scratch Statistics]]). {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 03:51, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
::I'm thinking [[:File:P2S_is_a_bunch_of_fluffy_kittens.PNG|this image]] is good enough to be featured.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 07:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
:::<s>@Groko13 {{-}} yes. {{e|:P}}</s>
:::How about [[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]]? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
::::+1, but first change the file's name with a consensus.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
:::::(Update: [[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]] is now [[:File:Report Project.png]].) {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 17:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
::::::[[:File:Flag as Inappropriate.png]] also needs to be updated, the report button was moved.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 01:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}'''+1''' for the report project image!
<br/>@Dominic305 Added the template to [[:File:Report Project.png]]. Someone can update it if they wish. <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
:{{done|Updated}} {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 18:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

== RfC about the usage of fixed with in ScratchWikiSkin2 ==

Hello all. As you may have noticed, ScratchWikiSkin2 seems to used a fixed width (similar to Fandom's Oasis skin), as a holdover from previous skins designed to look similar to scratch.mit.edu -- however, I and several other users have noticed an increasing number of problems using fixed width. Fixed widths generally leave a large amount of the screen entirely unused, and show a small amount of the page content. It also introduces design problems that rely on fixed width and break for some users. The current, fixed width style, looks a bit like [https://i.imgur.com/xavOxGN.png this]. I am proposing to use free-styled width based on the screen resolution (a mockup something like [ https://i.imgur.com/UEd14yX.png this], ignore the blue line, that is accidental and will not be shown in the final version). This allows for a larger content space, as well as making the view more consistent across skins. Please let me know if you support or oppose this proposal. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 00:44, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
: Addendum: I would also appreciate if all could specify what skin they use when commenting? (The information is helpful, most are likely either using ScratchWikiSkin2 or Vector, but others like me primarily use Monobook). <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 01:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
:I support. Fixed width looks <i>terrible</i>. (Reply to the addendum: I use SWS2) {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 01:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
:(SWS2 user) Consistency across skins is completely irrelevant - consistency with the Scratch website is more important. We use fixed width to emulate the mainsite, which does the same. If you want free width, you can make a user CSS file for it.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 09:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
:: I personally am of the belief that consistency with the Scratch website is "completely irrelevant" -- this is a third party site with different needs and goals. This is where a lot of the design has been poured into as well, such as by changing the header to a different color. There does indeed appear to be support for increasing the width apart from Kenny2scratch's comment. However, custom CSS files are not relevant here as what is being discussed is not personal views (I use Monobook) but what would actually improve the skin, primarily to those logged out and browsing the wiki. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 17:50, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
::: I agree with the above statement. I have an <s>ebic gamer</s> HD monitor, and SWS2 is tiny on my monitor. There are at least 500 pixels of free space. It almost looks like it was designed for a tablet (it fits perfectly on iPadOS). This is the reason why I use Vector because it takes up almost all of my monitor space. You technically ''could'' make a CSS script for it, but the majority of users here (not everyone) don't know any other programming languages and/or markup languages than Scratch. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
::::If you like Vector, use Vector. If you like SWS2 enough to keep using it but also want non-fixed width, then use user CSS. For those not logged in, fixed width is what they get, because that's what they'll be used to from the Scratch website. I don't consider fill width an improvement, only a matter of preference. Find me examples of people (who have no relation to you) actually asking for fill width SWS on, say, the forums, and then it'll be more worth considering.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 15:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::I support. While garnetluvcookie said it looks like it's designed for a tablet, personally I prefer setting zoom to 75% or 85% on most pages. However setting the zoom on the Wiki causes content to get squished and lots of tables (including on File: pages) to overflow into the empty space. And on my 1080p display, it looks like a site designed for computers from 2009.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 17:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

== Centralized Cross-Wiki Discussion ==

Hi everyone,

Since all of the various Scratch Wikis are hosted on the same server and part of a common community, they have a number of things in common, including outreach efforts (such as Wiki Wednesday) and technical aspects. This means that some changes (especially technical ones) will affect ''all'' wikis, not just the Wiki for one language. We usually like to seek community feedback before implementing major changes, but currently there is no centralized place to do that between all languages. As a result, changes either do not get community input at all or just get input from the community for one language (usually English, i.e. this one). We do have the [[:tw:Test Scratch Wiki Home|Test Wiki]] for both new language-specific Wikis off the ground and coordinating cross-wiki stuff.

Therefore, I propose making it so anyone who has an account on ''any'' language-specific Wiki may have an account on the Test Wiki (you would still need to request it, but you can just say "I have an account on [language] Wiki") and that we host all cross-Wiki discussions there. Announcements for any major discussions would still be posted on the English Community Portal so everybody remains aware of any active discussions without having to check the Test Wiki Recent Changes.

Thoughts, everyone?<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
: I think this is a great idea. Probably because I helped with writing the proposal, but good! <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 01:41, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
::I also think this is a great idea! It's important that we have a place for conveniently discussing matters that involve all the wikis, and this would provide that place. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:::I agree with this as well! {{User:Groko13/Signature}} 01:57, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:Handy links to the discussions on the other wikis about this:
:* German: [[de:Scratch-Wiki Diskussion:Gemeinschafts-Portal#Zentralisierte Cross-Wiki-Diskussion]]
:* Indonesian: [[id:Pembicaraan Scratch-Indo-Wiki:Portal Komunitas#Diskusi Lintas-Wiki Terpusat]]
:* Russian: [[ru:Обсуждение Скретч Вики:Портал сообщества#Централизованное кросс-вики-обсуждение]]
:* Japanese: [[ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場#一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション]]
:* Dutch: [[nl:Dutch Scratch-Wiki:Gebruikersportaal#Gecentraliseerde cross-wiki-discussie]]
:* French: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
:* Hungarian: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
:* Test: ''(no discussion as of posting)''
:The discussions on the other wikis link back here (since jvvg used Google Translate to translate this version into each language). I wanted to post these here so that the users reading this topic can see what the users on other wikis think about this idea. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:: This idea would benefit a lot. Also, I have a question about this: would the cross-wiki discussion be separate from the Test Wiki community portal, or would they be on the same page.
:: I also wrote earlier in a probably now archived topic that I was not planning to join the test wiki, but if this gets implemented, I might join to take part in those discussions. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:::The French Scratch Wiki now has a discussion about this here: [[fr:Discussion Scratch Wiki en Français:Accueil de la Communauté#Centralized Scratch Wiki Discussions]] {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Also, the discussion on the Japanese Scratch Wiki was moved to this page: [[ja:Japanese Scratch-Wiki:議論の場/一元化されたクロスWikiディスカッション]] {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 16:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: I have another question about this idea: if this were to happen, would any language be used (I myself do not speak any language other than English fluently) or will only English be used in cross-wiki discussions? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 17:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::I support, even though I already have a test wiki account {{e|:P}}. Also, we should consider modifying common.js so it shows "Test" rather than "Twi" in the left sidebar, but I'll add that as a proposal to the new Test Wiki CP when it's set up. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 19:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|::::::}} (Level of indentation is to reply to OP) Question about the Request on Test Wiki thing; I have moved since I requested, do I have to request an account for this account, or can I use my new account? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
:I support, maybe we should make a single sign on so when you have a wiki account you automatically get a test wiki account.<scratchsig>Acebsa</scratchsig> 20:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

== An idea ==

Hi everyone,
I had an idea recently to make a way for non-wiki editors to suggest changes if they don't want to go through the hassle of making a wiki account. Maybe a google form or something that editors can look at and, if needed, make the change.
<scratchsig>Acebsa</scratchsig> 04:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Scratchers are allowed to suggest changes through the Scratch Wiki's forum topic. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 04:16, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
::: For reference, the Scratch Wiki forum topic is located [[topic:294197|here]]. It is also used to ask questions about the wiki as well. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:20, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
::::The issue with that, I found, is that few actually know about it and the non-wikian posts are just random questions about scratch in general.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 16:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

== [[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 107#Tell users on Wiki Wednesday topics not to spam in replies]] continuation ==

I am just reviving the discussion  mentioned in the title above because it was archived and it did not seem to be completed. Also, on the latest Wiki Wednesday topic, no notice in the first post telling Scratchers not to spam in the topic was put in.

In the discussion linked above, I mentioned some examples of what the notice would mention as being spam. I also think posts only saying 'Hi', 'Hello' or something similar could also be mentioned as being spam. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 15:37, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
: Isn't it just common sense ''not'' to spam?  It's already against the CGs, so I don't see a use for it or it's because I stalk the Announcements forum, get a first-page post, and move on. It could be useful to the 5 year-olds here that need a notice saying "Don't spam, it's sUpEr AnNoYiNg!11!!1" <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:42, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

== RfC about User:Gdpr000001, User talk:Gdpr000001 and <s>S:B</s> redirects ==

As explained in the title, these are discussed on their related talk pages and [[User talk:Ahmetlii]], but I'd like to an RfC for solving the question.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
: The first two have already been discussed at [[Talk:Gdpr0000001#Removing_several_redirects_to_this_page]] to delete, neutral on where S:B is targetted. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 06:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
:::But also, the discussion about gdpr has a few users and only 2 active users(me and Naleksuh), this doesn't mean a consensus because it goes to a discussion between two users.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

== Suggestion: Resolved and Unresolved Templates ==

{{not done}}

There are many discussions on talk pages on the wiki that get abandoned until someone discovers them again. Wouldn't it be helpful if we had a list of all the pages with unresolved discussions that have yet to be finished? Here are some advantages to a list like this:

* In many cases, discussions won't get abandoned without being documented as unresolved discussions somewhere.
* Users who want discussions to contribute to can just look at the list for some unresolved discussions.
* It would improve the wiki's organization.

I think one way we could implement a system like this would be with two templates: {{t|unresolved}} and {{t|resolved}}.

The {{t|unresolved}} template would mark the discussion with "unresolved." It would also add the page to the hidden category [[:Category:Pages With Unresolved Discussions]], and provide a link to the category. If the page was in the "User talk" namespace, it would not be added to the category. This is so that if users want to use the templates on their own talk pages, they can, but users looking for discussions to participate in won't have to dig through user talk pages. There would also be a <code>cat=no</code> option to manually prevent the page from being added to the category. I've created a draft of this template at [[User:Bigpuppy/Unresolved]]. Note that the category part is commented out right now, so that pages don't get added to a nonexistent category. If this suggestion gets accepted, it will be un-commented.

The {{t|resolved}} template would mark the discussion with "resolved." It would have a <code>date</code> parameter that would show when the discussion was resolved. Resolved discussions would not be added to any category (unless that is something we want). I've created a draft of this template at [[User:Bigpuppy/Resolved]].

Here are answers to some questions you may have:
;Don't we already have the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?
:Yes. However, those templates don't have all of the functionality that the {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates would provide. If we added this functionality to the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates, all of the discussions that were not actually marked {{done}} but still have the template on them (e.g. if the template was used in casual conversation) would be added to the category.

;Would these templates replace the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?
:No. Those templates would still be used in casual conversation and in tandem with the {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates (e.g. "is this conversation {{done}}?"). The {{t|resolved}} and {{t|unresolved}} templates would be used more formally at the top of discussions.

;Would use of these templates be required?
:No. However, it would be recommended, so that the page gets added to the category of pages with unresolved discussions.

;Would anyone be allowed to add these templates to any discussion, even ones they didn't create?
:Yes. Similar to how the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates are used now, anyone would be able to mark a discussion as resolved or unresolved, even if they didn't create it.

;The drafts you created look curiously similar to the {{t|shortcut}} template.
:That's because I based part of their code on the {{t|shortcut}} template. {{e|:P}}

{{user|Kenny2scratch|name}} implemented semi-similar templates at [[User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks]]. They are similar in that they are templates located in the top-right of a discussion and show whether the discussion is done or not.

So, thoughts? Do you like the idea? Do you think it could use some improvement? Do you think we shouldn't create these templates at all? Please share your thoughts below. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:44, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
:We already have S:CPND as a "unresolved" placeholder archive. I didn't see any usage of it unless marking "resolved" and "unresolved", and this gets another question: Will it be done or will not? (like 1 and 0, not includes 2 or 4). I don't think it's not important enough and @Kenny2scratch is using his permalinks to "never done" topics. I can support never done but not resolved-unresolved. Any opinions?{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
::[[S:CPND]] isn't really relevant here because this wouldn't necessarily be used on the CP (but it could); the main purpose is for things like article talk pages. Could you clarify what you mean in the rest of your comment? Also, [[User talk:Kenny2scratch/Permalinks]] includes done topics; look at the statuses on the right of each discussion. However, that was just an example. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:03, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's necessary for article talk pages, because they don't need an archive or a job queue. It's not necessary as I think and said before.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Thank you for your opinion. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::You're welcome. {{e|:)}} {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 20:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Couldn't we just add the functionality to {{t|done}} and {{t|not done}}? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}Please see the answer to "Don't we already have the {{done}} and {{not done}} templates?" in my original post. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 21:41, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
:True, but you also stated that we could use <code>cat=no</code> as the default cat option. That way, all you'd need to do for casual conversation is add {{t|not done}} on the section. But on an "official" conversation, we would add <code>cat=yes</code>.
:2 questions though: Would only {{t|unresolved}} add to a category? And, doesn't adding to a category add the entire page? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::Oops, first question has been answered as soon as i posted lol <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

== GitHub interwiki links ==

There seem to be a lot of GitHub links (including references) to the Scratch Wiki. Although the URL is not very long, maybe LLK github links (and maybe other github links) could have an interwiki link made for them (such as gh-llk, not 'gh' due to the presence of non-LLK github links as well). {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Github is an external link, even its links host Scratch repos. They may cause confusion. Plain links are a better solution.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 06:52, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

== About updating MediaWiki ==

TL;DR: We're doing some tests to update MediaWiki due to some problems.  Probably the wiki shut down for a few hours when it's ready to be installed. (Note: This is not an official explanation because made by me, so may be ignored)

As the developers, we're currently experiencing some problems on general extensions due to errors; and to solve them, we're thinking to upgrade our wiki to 1.35. This upgration will change a lot of things, from icons to security patch; so we're doing patches to ensure that our extensions will work successfully. When all preparations are completed, probably someone from admins will make an explanation.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
: Where did you get the information about the MediaWiki update here? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:53, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

== Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump ==

TL;DR: We're upgrading to MediaWiki Version 1.35. Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2020

=== Why upgrade? ===
Currently we're using MediaWiki 1.28, which is unsupported. This caused some problems and MW 1.28 is also incompatible with some extensions. This is why we upgrade to MediaWiki 1.35, a LTS version soon to be stable.

=== Timeline ===
Time not set, but this is a big project which can take weeks.

=== Checklist ===
Extensions and Skins:
* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchWikiSkin2
* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchLogin (patch applied to fix warning)
* {{done|Replaced}} ConfirmAccount (new version built)
* {{done|Compatible}} Report (patch needs review)
* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchSig
* {{done|Replaced}} EditAccount (new version built)
* {{done|Compatible}} ScratchBlocks4
* {{done|Compatible}} RecentChangesWebhooks
* {{done|Compatible}} VisualEditor (but sb blocks will be only seen as string)

Bots:
* {{done|Compatible}} InterwikiBot
* {{done|Compatible}} TemplatesFTW
* {{doing|Internal errors}} WikiMonitor (has problems about dependencies)

Misc:
* {{done|Compatible}} Special:BlockList patch - new version created
* {{done|Compatible}} Common.css
* {{doing|Incompatible}} Common.js (sigwarn is problematic)

{{collapse top|List of all extensions and skins installed on all wikis}}
Status: C - Compatible, I - Incompatible
* C: Cologne Blue (en)
* C: Modern (en)
* C: MonoBook (en)
* C: ScratchWikiSkin2 (en)
* C: Vector (en)
* C: CategoryTree (en)
* C: CheckUser (en)
* I: ConfirmAccount (en)
* I: EditAccount (en)
* C: Interwiki (en)
* C: Random In Category (en)
* C: Report (en)
* C: ScratchLogin (en)
* C: CharInsert (en)
* C: Cite (en)
* C: CodeMirror (en)
* C: InputBox (en)
* C: ParserFunctions (en)
* C: RandomSelection (en)
* C: mw-ScratchBlocks4 (en)
* C: SyntaxHighlight (en)
* C: NativeSvgHandler (en)
* C: AbuseFilter (en)
* C: RecentChangesWebhooks (en)
* C: WikiEditor (en)
* C: DismissableSiteNotice (en)
* C: EventLogging (en)
* C: Google Analytics Integration (en)
* C: GuidedTour (en)
* C: DynamicPageList3 (de)
* C: EmbedScratch (de)
* C: EmbedPhosphorus (de)
* C: EmbedVideo (de)
* C: Labeled Section Transclusion (de)
* C: Lockdown (de)
* C: Admin Links (ja)
* I: Contribution Scores (ja)
* C: MassMessage (ja)
* C: Newest Pages (ja)
* I: ImagePagePrintLink (ja)
* C: ImageMap (ja)
* C: OpenGraphMeta (ja)
* C: YouTube (ja)
* C: RelatedArticles (ja)
* C: AutoSitemap (ja)
* C: BetaFeatures (ja)
* C: Description2 (ja)
* C: Disambiguator (ja)
* C: GuguruSearch (ja)
* C: InterwikiSorting (ja)
* C: RevisionSlider (ja)
* I: SearchStats (ja)
* C: TextExtracts (ja)
* C: Loops (fr)
* C: WikiSEO (fr)
* I: HeadScript (fr)
* C: HitCounters (test)
{{collapse bottom}}

=== Discussion ===
This is gonna be big. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 08:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
: Question: Is Vector going to be compatible with it? I sometimes use SWS2 but I mostly use Vector on my laptop. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
:: @garnetluvcookie: Definitely because MediaWiki uses Vector as default.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 13:45, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
::: Thanks! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:55, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
::::While we are doing this, can we add the VisualEditor? I have used it at snapwiki.miraheze.org, and it works great! I'm so excited for this update! <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 22:27, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
::::We are planning on adding the Visual Editor, however a bit of adaptation is necessary. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 01:03, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Why is the VisualEditor incompatible with ScratchWikiSkin2? As far as I know, (and I've been exploring this) the skin has all of the necessary hooks. Has anyone tried it? <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 16:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::@GrahamSH: I tried and tested. I know it has all necessary hooks, but also it cannot simulate the editing visually(because our skin is restrictive). We (as all developers in the Wikis) are looking for compatibility.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Update: VisualEditor is working currently with a few unimportant things like sb is not seen as block.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:14, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|7}}(Remember to outdent at 6) What changes are there between 1.28 and 1.35? I know there's visual editor but I'm not sure what else.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:If Scratchblocks are to be added to the VisualEditor here, how will they be inputted? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 07:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::@Jammum: We're working on it for editing blocks visually. Probably we will use text, but also the blocks will be seen instantly on VisualEditor when someone did an edit on the Scratchblocks text.
::@Dominic305: There are a lot changes, I suggest you to read all changelogs between 1.28 and 1.35.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 07:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Will the extension Popups be enabled instead of the current thing in the common.js? Popups, (the extension) is much better. <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 12:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: Also, since Special:BlockList patch is broken, you could try using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lockdown <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 14:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: Thanks for the helping, but the developers is thinking that manually editing MediaWiki is better than use an extension for it. Anyway, thanks again! {{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 14:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::: I am not sure where Ahmetlii got the idea above-- nobody has even ''suggested'' that, in addition to it being a bad idea for a number of technical reasons that I am sure ISW understands. There have not been any suggestions for a way of implementing Special:BlockList privacy, but I will see about some solutions. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 18:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}
For VisualEditor, couldn't you do something similar to the way it's done in scratch forums?<br/>
<small><small><s>I wish I could help but I don't know a single thing about PHP</s></small></small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:I don't think so. BBS systems and wikis are two different things. <small>btw, I'm not also good at PHP (my specialty is Python on backend)</small>{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::They are, but I wasn't saying that you use the systems. I was just saying to use the concepts of how the scratchblocks are entered into the visual space.
::<small><small>SAME, but I actually don't know a single thing of PHP</small></small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::: Actually, it could look for typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"<scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::<s>What do you mean by the tags are found? We use <code><nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki></code> tags to make scratchblocks on the wiki...</s>
::::<s>In the visualeditor, we could just make a button, that will make something similar to the templates popup in the visualeditor. Then edit and it makes the block!</s>
::::Edit conflict lol, but I wouldn't recommend deleting your entire post and replacing it with something else. It doesn't tell others what your previous thoughts were, (they could support you, or not) And is that <code>typof=</code> supposed to link anywhere? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:01, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::In the visualeditor, elements with scratchblock have <code>typeof="mw:Extension/scratchblocks"</code> in their html. But, there is no text (shown) that says <nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki><scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 01:05, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::That's because <nowiki><scratchblocks></nowiki> get's replaced with <code><nowiki><pre class="block"></nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki><code class="block"></nowiki></code> to make scratch blocks...
::::::I'm sorry but I don't understand your point. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|::::::}}
I looked at the MediaWiki website and it said that the EditAccount extension is archived, which might be why it does not work on the latest MediaWiki version. Is it going to be forked or replaced?
{{User:Jammum/Signature}} 10:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
:We're working on it. The only thing is we will not use EditUser (because it's so restrictive). Please check the GitHub repos of the International Scratch Wiki for public changelogs of the Scratch Wiki systems.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 11:17, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
::apple502j has created an alternative to EditAccount that can be used on MediaWiki 1.35: [https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/PassEdit PassEdit]. The original reason we needed EditAccount was for the case when users forgot their passwords and emails were set incorrectly (or they entered their email incorrectly when requesting an account and couldn't get their password sent to them when their account was created). However, now that we have ScratchLogin, that is no longer an issue, since users can reset their password by using their Scratch account. We have tested the extension and it does work, but we are not sure if we will enable it or not.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 23:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

== am i allowed to edit user messages if... ==

Am I allowed to edit user messages if the user calls me something I don't like to be called (only to fix what they call me)? Lots of people call me "Garnetluvcookie", which I don't like because I'm very sensitive about how the G in my name is capitalized. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
:: That is not an allowed usage of editing others' messages. Especially not when Garnetluvcookie ''is'' infact your username, although you may prefer something else and are allowed to make others aware of that. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 19:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
::: oml is this just to trigger me <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: also my scratch username ''is'' @garnetluvcookie, MediaWiki just auto capitalized the G. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:38, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: The message was not intended to "trigger" anything-- you asked a question and I answered it. While I am aware that MediaWiki does strictly capitalize username, and you are allowed to edit your signature or use displaytitles on your user (talk) page as appropriate, it would not be appropriate to chastise others for referring to what is your actual name. It also does not constitute editing another users' message as this can sometimes misrepresent what they are saying. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 19:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message. To '''g'''arnetluvcookie, ask Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}}Just don't ask him right now, of course. He's busy with his studies. (So am I but I can't resist replying to talk messages...){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
: "Ah yes, because changing the capitalization of a username changes the meaning of the message." This sarcastic comment is not helpful here. The point is that messages are edited when they are in violation of policies or when they are causing some other problem (for example, messages with erroneous formatting such as unclosed tags, messages adding a page to a category, or something like that. In addition, I ''have'' had others edit my messages in a way that changes their meaning before that has needed to be undone. The actors were doing so in good faith, but it was still problematic.
: "Ken about it on his talk page. He is also sensitive about what people call him." So, he has a bias, meaning probably ''not'' the best ask. Instead, see the already existing well-established policy which says it should not be edited. In general, talk page messages are treated like userspace. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 00:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::garnetluvcookie, I realize that you may not like the name, but you shouldn't change another person's edit. Instead, you should reply kindly asking them to stop calling you that and to call you the names you prefer.
::You also shouldn't be "triggered" against a capitilization. MediaWiki, and autocorrect, will capitilize yours, and others, names.
::If they continue calling you that name (or purposely capitilize it), that's a completely different story. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::: The user repeatedly keeps calling me Garnetluvcookie , and I've reported the revisions and no action has beeen taken. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Have you asked the user to stop?
::::I also don't think reporting the revision for this matter is appropriate. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::I have asked the person to stop at least 4 times. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 17:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Ok... but instead of reporting their revision, ask an admin or someone. But please [[Scratch_Wiki:Assume Good Faith|assume good faith]] in the future. It may be an accident. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}} I am assuming good faith. It's most likely an accident, but it's just something I'm sensitive about and annoys me... a lot. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:Great! Just a suggestion: maybe include the names you don't want to be called on your userpage.
:May I ask why the capital 'G' annoys you? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Sure. There are many reasons why, but the important one is that I never put capital letters in my usernames because it messes up literally my whole profile page for some reason and makes me look like someone who Talks Like This. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:23, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::: i just realized i single-handedly blew up the CP 😲 <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::That's a weird reason in my perspective, but you do you....
::::Only 4 KB left to go before archiving {{e|;)}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: Do I what? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Clarification: You must not use Report extension unless you need to contact admins urgently and privately, like sharing email or vandalism. If you "abused" Report extension, you may be blocked. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 19:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|6}} I don't want to start a flame, but I believe that was a fair report because it may seem small to you, but it affects me mentally and emotionally. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:Maybe make a less strict report extension? In this case, the 'new' report button could've been used to report a user that hasn't stopped calling garnetluvcookie with a 'G'...
:I'm not sure, it's just a thought.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::So there's been a lot of discussion on both sides of this matter - I thought it would be appropriate to share my two cents on the matter. To be clear, I do not wish for my reply to be hostile, demeaning, or rude, simply a summary on my thoughts.
::I do not believe that it is a "weird perspective" to have a [https://regex101.com/r/QSyeGl/3 preferred way of being referred to as]. Sometimes the little things can really tick people off, and I understand that. I also understand that MediaWiki autocapitalizes names, such as jvvg/Jvvg, however we should all take note of people's preferred names and call them by that rather than their MediaWiki name.
::In instances where a user has been referred to incorrectly, whether intentionally or inadvertently (as has been stated before, [[S:GF|Assume Good Faith]] {{E|:)}}), the proper course of action should be to ask the user nicely not to refer to you as that and give a correct preferred name, which I can see has been done here multiple times. I understand it may upset/annoy the user who has been incorrectly referred to, however editing a message should not happen, which I can also see has not taken place. Good job!
::Reporting should also not usually be used in these circumstances - instead, CC an admin or EW into the conversation and they will (hopefully) ask the user nicely to use the correct name.
::@garnetluvcookie I understand that how you are referred to affects you deeply. Please don't think you are being told off here. In fact, by asking the user nicely to not call you by a certain name, you've done the right thng. Well done. {{E|:)}}
::I think we all need to calm down and hold off sarcastic, snidy, or mean comments. We're a community built on being welcoming and enjoyable, let's keep it that way. :){{User:Drunken Sailor/Signature}} 20:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Small question: what do you mean by CC? <s>Isn't that a copyright</s><br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 20:09, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
::::@12944qwerty CC, as in, carbon copy, I assume.
::::If you didn't know, CC is for sending a copy to another user for their information. Primary recipients are addressed as "TO" and others as "CC". (there's also BCC, but I don't want to go into more detail) {{e|:P}} <scratchsig>TenType</scratchsig> 20:28, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Oh, that makes sense lol. thanks <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 21:13, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

== archive the CP ==

I'm amazed that i basically made it blow up :P (i need to reset my sig so unsigned) {{unsigned|garnetluvcookie}}
:{{doing|Archiving...}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
::{{done|[[Scratch Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive 108|Archived]]}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 20:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

== Increase the file size thingy (read this to get it) ==
{{not done}}<br />
<small>i can't explain anything so here goes...</small>
I've seen many people getting the "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB" message. Why? These users uploaded files that are like 6 KB. 6 KB!!! That's incredibly small, at least for file sizes. I believe that the minimum file size for compression should be raised to 20 KB because that's a size that's small, but large enough that it's too big. Thoughts? <br /><span style="color:red"><span style="background:#2f3136;height:22px;display:inline-block;padding:0px">[[File:Glc.jpg|18px|link=users:garnetluvcookie]] [[User:garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">''♥ garnetluvcookie ♥''</span></b>]] [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style=color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">| ''♥ talk ♥''</span></b>]] <span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">'''|'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">''♥ contribs ♥''</span></b>]]''</span></span> 00:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
:I think the title of this topic should actually be "'''Increase''' the file size thingy (read this to get it)" (or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?) {{e|:)}}

:Also, could you please clarify which message you're talking about? 
:* [[Special:Upload]] states "Is the image's filesize over '''300KB'''? If it is, please compress it. [https://tinypng.com TinyPNG] is recommended for PNGs and JPEGs (contrary to the name, it does support JPEG)."
:* The [[MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-huge-file|abuse filter warning]] that appears when you upload a file that's too large also uses the 300KB number, stating "If your file is over 300KB, please compress it. [https://tinypng.com/ TinyPNG] is recommended for PNGs and JPGs."
:* The [[User:TemplatesFTW/Config/CompressMsg|message]] that {{user|TemplatesFTW|name}} posts on users' talk pages after it compresses their files does not state any number, but rather states that "... the image size was kinda big ...".
:None of the above messages mention that you should "compress every file you upload if it's not under 2 KB," so could you please clarify which message you are talking about? If I'm missing something obvious, please point it out. Thank you! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 01:36, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Ahh, yes I meant increase, it's just pretty late where I am and I'm a bit sleepy. Also, the compress if it's over 2 KB thing was a joke to show how low the compressing thing is :P.  I'll fix the post <s>before I fall asleep in my chair</s>. <br /><span style="color:red"><span style="background:#2f3136;height:22px;display:inline-block;padding:0px">[[File:Glc.jpg|18px|link=users:garnetluvcookie]] [[User:garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">''♥ garnetluvcookie ♥''</span></b>]] [[User talk:Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style=color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial;font-family:Arial">| ''♥ talk ♥''</span></b>]] <span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">'''|'''</span> [[Special:Contributions/Garnetluvcookie|<b><span style="color:#ff0000;font-family:Arial">''♥ contribs ♥''</span></b>]]''</span></span> 02:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
::: Yeah people take compression way too seriously. ''Maybe'' at 30mb losslessly you should ''consider'' compressing, but there's no reason to compress something already only 20 kb (which is incredibly small in 2020, a lot of JavaScript files are bigger). Some images have been compressed so aggressively that the text becomes difficult to read and have needed to be reverted. The file dimensions were recently increased to 1080p a couple weeks ago, but there hasn't been much comment on file size. I personally think that an increase on file size limit would be very helpful as compression has been taken way too seriously (in most cases it has almost no benefit, although there are always exceptions). In addition, admins for some reason can upload files up to 218 times larger than non-admins, which again I think is another unnecessary line. <br/>[[File:Naleksuh.jpg|20px]] [[User:Naleksuh|Naleksuh]] ([[User_talk:Naleksuh#top|talk]] | [[Special:Contribs/Naleksuh|contribs]]) 02:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: Exactly. All it does is decreases file size by like 4 KB. Personally I think that compression is taken wayy too seriously here. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 02:31, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

== Tone down the rejected messages on [[S:BR]] archives ==

{{Note|None of this was made to offend the people who reject bot requests. Please take no offense.}}

Some of the rejected summaries at [[S:BR]] rejected requests are very unwelcoming. For example, my rejected message had "User has no programming experience" which comes off extremely rude, and when I do have programming experience (if you count Scratch as a programming language... *awkward smile*). The only reason that I don't is because I'm incredibly young, not even in middle school. If I was 5 years older, I would've created a bot already. (Please don't argue this point against me, I don't want the summary bored into my head)<br />

Also, a user may not have much experience in the language, but that doesn't mean that they are incapable of creating a bot. I know many people online (haha don't ask about IRL) that are new to the language that they chose, but they've created amazing stuff. It's enforcing the stereotype of "young children are dumb and can't do complex stuff". No matter how minor, it's still showing bad behavior as a role-model.<br />

This doesn't mean that the admins need to rewrite every single rejected summary, they just need to be more considerate about how others will feel. <small>extreme nostalgia and/or cringe side affects may occur in 3... 2... 1...</small> It's like that concept that everyone was taught in early grade school, fill others buckets, don't dump them. <br />

<small>now my fingers hurt :P</small> <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
:<small>As mysteriously as he arrived, NYCDOT was gone again.</small> Hi. I checked out your BR, and it appears that Ken wrote "Proposer has no programming experience and VoxBot is the only approved typography bot." He said it like it is, you have no experience. What is he supposed to say? We aren't going to give out gold stars to people who propose that they create their own bots without any idea how to do so. Try out a some programming languages ''before'' proposing a a new Wiki Bot, and I'm sure the next time you have a BR the admins will be more than happy to review your request. As for the bot idea itself, VoxBot is an approved bot that we know works well and does its job. If you have problems with it, I'm sure KrIsMa will listen to your suggestions. {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 18:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
:: I do have programming experience, I just only knew Scratch at the time I suggested it. Also, even though I apparently am dumb, I do know a good bit of Python. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Two things. One, no one ever said you were dumb. Not knowing how to do a certain thing doesn't make you dumb. Two, at the time of the bot request, you pretty much had no experience. While you may have some now, that doesn't change the past. If you think of a new, useful bot, you can propose one again. {{User:NYCDOT/signature}} 18:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
::::<small>Welcome back NYCDOT, I came back recently too {{e|:P}}, also, remember about your indents :P</small>
::::Scratch is not counted as programming knowledge. Although you could use scratch knowledge to code with other languages, knowing scratch only isn't enough. Can you make a bot with scratch coding? No, you cannot. Ken writing that you have no programming experience is completely fine. You agreed you have no programming experience outside of Scratch. 
::::Although it may be rude for you, it is in no way meant to be rude. Ken wrote all details in his rejected message so that everyone understands why this bot got rejected and so that users don't make a bot for the same reason. There's always a reason for writing things the way it's written. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

== Try it yourself! (button) ==

My idea is that there will be some visual scratchblocks, and a button next to it. The user can click on the button, and it will bring them to scratch and remix a project with the code in it. They can then mess around with it.

You could probably use this in

* [[:Category:Tutorials|Tutorials]]
* [[:Category:Blocks|Scratch Block pages]]
* [[Default Value]] (I thought of this idea on this page)
<br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
:Can anyone help me understand why the category links aren't showing up? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 15:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
::Actually, we're also working about the embed projects (we have different opinions for make it, so I cannot say a specific info.). You can see everyone in here whose want to help for the Wiki! {{e|:)}}
::For the second question, I've fixed it. {{e|:)}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
:::What? I'm confused. What do you mean by "everyone in here whose are want to help for the Wiki"? There's a lot of English mistakes.... can you please fix it so I can understand? Thanks!
:::OH YEAH, I forgot about putting those for some links... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I meant "please check public and private changelogs and also look at RC".{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::For embedding a scratch project? Can you direct me to it? <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{done}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:15, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

== Something's wrong ==

{{done}}<br/>
Something’s up, my signature turns timestamps into code boxes, without the actual code tags appearing. Is this an error with my syntax or is it an actual bug? I’m not sure, so if someone could help me with this, that would be great. I’ve been trying to get it right for weeks. An example of the issue can be found below, or at [[User:78ch3/Sig|this page]]{{User:78ch3/Sig}} 00:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
: It's because [[User:78ch3/Sig]] has some new lines it should not. There are two line breaks between <nowiki></span></nowiki> and <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki>. Those new lines should simply be removed (so that it is <nowiki></span><noinclude></nowiki> on one line), and then it should be fixed. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 00:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
:: I got up this morning to fix it, but didn’t read this, so when I came here, it turns out I did exactly what you wanted me to do. {{User:78ch3/Sig}} 21:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
::: {{done}} {{User:78ch3/Sig}} 21:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

== My Banner ==

{{done}} 

Why did my banner get removed? I needed it for my forum signature and I can't use assets on my computer because it won't load and now my signature won't work. <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
:Is this problem related to the forum? If it is, please bring up the topic there and they'll be able to help you more.
:Also, remember for the future to write your texts before your signature. This means that you do <code><nowiki>REPLY/TEXT ~~~~</nowiki></code>. The four tildes are your signature. Thank you! <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:21, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
::It was not deleted, it was moved to a different title that was less generic.
::Also, the Scratch Wiki should not be used as an image host for Scratch or anywhere else outside the wiki. I recommend you use another hosting site such as CubeUpload to upload your banner. 
:: <small>and i was caught in an edit conflict</small> {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 16:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
:::We're not an [[Image Host|image host]]. Use extensions that upload images to Scratch assets, or look to index.php for deleted images, or host in another website that Scratch allows. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:26, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Ah, I just looked at Recent Changes. Your banner didn't get removed. It just got moved so that it had a more specific name.  Banner.png could mean that it's a banner for the Mainspace Scratch wiki pages instead.
::::Your banner is now located here: [[:File:Banner FollowCherryBlossom.png]] 
::::<small>I had edit conflict too lol, with both jammum and ahmetlii at the same time AND MYSELF oh gods</small> <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:28, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I've editted like three times and the same has happened and okay <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
:::::The reason for doing so is because I don't use cubeupload or photobucket, I thought it had been deleted <scratchsig>FollowCherryBlossom</scratchsig> 16:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)FollowCherryBlossom
::::::You should though. This wiki isn't meant to host images, you should use an actual hosting server. Those are some of the best hosting servers. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:24, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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"Those are some of the best hosting servers" no, those are just the ones allowed by Scratch. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 00:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

== out of curiosity... ==

 What's the 3 Revert Rule? I know we use BRD but it's referenced in many places, most notably [[Template:Nutshell|nutshell]]. 
also, whatup with my message it's being weird or *looks above* close your tags!!! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
:The 3 revert rule is when you stop to discuss the revert if it has been reverted three times. At least that's what I remember. <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
::I don't think we have 3RR(Three Revert Rule) here. We instead have BRD - Bold, Revert and Discuss.
::Also, indenting your post with a space makes that box thing. {{User:Apple502j/siggy}} 13:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

== Another user’s talk page organization ==

Another user (not mentioning who) on this wiki requires users who post on their talk page that they use level three headings for discussion headings and put their messages in a section (some of which are not at the bottom of the page) on that page, whilst all other talk pages (including user ones) are supposed to use level two headings and require all messages (including bot ones) to go at the bottom of the page. Is the user's way of organising their talk page allowed? {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
: I know this user and I don't believe so. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::I don't think it's allowed, but if it is right now then I think it shouldn't be. It's confusing.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 12:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

== How to curate a project? ==

I want to know how to curate a project as I am interested to learn how to. I want to encourage my friend so thats one reason. If you got an idea how, please leave a reply so I can see. Thank you so much for everything and may god bless you abundantly! :) <scratchsig>Ani_coding_PRO</scratchsig> 11:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
:Here ya go: [[Curator (front_page)#Application_and_Selection]] <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::@Ani_coding_PRO: Please ask in the [[Questions about Scratch]] forum (link to the forum is on the page) for Scratch-related questions that do not involve this wiki. The wiki is not a replacement for the Scratch Forums. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

== Wiki down? ==

I got an HTTP 500 error for about 30 seconds a minute ago. Other wikis (I checked de, test, and fr) were up. Was this a server problem? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
: And again... <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:28, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::This was a result of some preparatory work we're doing for the upgrade. Unfortunately there wasn't any way to do it without any disruption. However, it should be done now. You may experience some slowdown for a while, but not any more downtime.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 17:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::: Thanks. I am experiencing some slowness (a page takes around 1 minute to load) so that explains that. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:44, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I think the slowness has finally been resolved, so we should be good to go going forwards. I do not anticipate any remaining disruption to the Wiki until we actually perform the upgrade (we do not have a specific day planned yet, but hopefully soon).<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 20:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: Yay! <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 20:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Also running great for me! Did you figure out what was causing it or did it just go away by itself?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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With some help from apple502j and banana439monkey I was able to fix it. The issue was that 1. apcu (a PHP extension that greatly improves performance) wasn't enabled and 2. there was a setting keeping it from actually running even after I enabled it.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 20:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
:Don't understand how, but I'm still receiving a HTTP 500 error whenever I try to go to Recent Changes {{-}} It's always slow with loading, but it's never completely been broken. Is it because I have some laggy softwares on on my computer at the moment?<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 07:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Do you use a browser other than Chrome or Safari? I've tested on my Mac on both Safari and Chrome and it works fine. It also may be your internet connection spitting false errors, but I can't confirm that because I have full bars and I'm literally 10 feet away from the router thing. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:::I use Google Chrome or Safari most of the times, coincidentally. I've tested on Lenovo (Windows 10) and now I'm on my father's Mac, but Recent Changes still gives a 500 error, and I don't have those laggy softwares on here.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 13:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: Odd. I've tried on Chrome and Safari on my Mac and my iPad, and i get no error. Try rebooting your WiFi? <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Not at the moment, since my router is in the basement and I don't really wanna go there at the moment. However, quick status update: it's still happening.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::: Ok. I'll try to replicate it and find a fix. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 17:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
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I am not receiving any HTTP errors but [[Special:ScratchLogin|ScratchLogin]] is broken for me. It keeps telling me I have not commented the code even after commenting. <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 17:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
:<small>please outdent correctly!</small><br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 22:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
::It's been more than a day since this has happened and it's still occurring. Could somebody please help? My dad went down and restarted the router today too.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Try going to Private Browsing and opening it without logging in? Maybe your entries per page is too high. Mine is set to 300 from the last 30 days.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I'll try that; I think I set my entries per page to the highest possible amount, so that could be the issue. Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::I didn't do it exactly the way you said, but I tried logging out and now I have the link for 50 entries, so I can use it for going to Recent Changes. This is definitely not a very efficient method, but because I'm an idiot I think this will work find for now. Thanks!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Awesome, glad I could help you fix it!{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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Even better, I found a way to let it do it automatically! Thank you so much for the help!<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 14:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

== make templates like [[wikipedia:Template:Trout|trout]] ==

(yes, i am aware of [[S:NOTWP]]. i am suggesting because it's funny.)
Self-explanatory. There would also be self-trout, minnow, and whale.<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:<nowiki>{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Trout notification}}</nowiki> exists, if it is something multiple people want it could be moved out of my userspace. Until then you can use it with that link. I have not heard of whale or minnow but I'm sure those could also be made if everyone wants them.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 14:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::<s>shameless plug</s> but not many people know about it unless you plug it everywhere :/ <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 14:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::We do not allow mainspace templates that aren't intended for use in articles or on talk pages. You may make a template like that in your userspace if you want.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Edit: Trout notification is now Trout Selector, I've added whale, and 2 different barnstars (use <nowiki>{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Barnstar/Selector}}</nowiki>){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:21, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

== is this normal? ==

[[File:WHAT HAPPENED.png|1000px]]<br />

i think i successfully broke the wiki <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:It's because you're on vector skin and zoomed in all the way.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 16:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:: but i wasn't <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 16:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::We do not officially support the Vector skin (or any other non-ScratchWikiSkin skin) and cannot make any guarantees everything will work with it. Also it looks like you are either zoomed in all the way as 12944qwerty said or on a small screen. On my screen, preferences looks fine in vector.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:13, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Try disabling Dark Reader (right?) and seeing if it works.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: ahahaha you got me :P <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 13:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

== Proposing changes on the roles ==
{{done}}

Hi everyone. With the update, MediaWiki will give an extra feature for us: Time-limited roles. With it, we can do time-limited bots for testing, give role for a technical stuff and more. However, as the developers and admins, we will not want to enable it before getting a consensus - because it's about moderation also, undesirable actions may make different things.
	
===Discussion===

This will gonna be huge.
{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:To my opinion, it's a good idea - and I believe that the admins will give it only for necessary actions. {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 18:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:: This is not something that needs discussion or enabling -- it is always on by default. Discussion {{done}} <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 19:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

== Downtime coming on Tuesday ==

Hi everyone,

As detailed [https://scratch.mit.edu/discuss/post/4452468/ in a forum post], the Wiki will be down on [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=English%2BScratch%2BWiki%2BUpgrade&iso=20200929T21&p1=797&am=30 Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 9pm Scratch Time/1am UTC] for about 30 minutes (click the link to see it in your own timezone). We will be upgrading MediaWiki to 1.35 from the current version of 1.28. See [[#Megathread: MediaWiki Version Bump|the upgrade megathread]] for details about the upgrade itself and what it will entail.

During the upgrade, the English Wiki will be down entirely (all pages will be replaced with a message explaining the situation) and not just read-only. Other language Wikis will continue operating as normal, though they may be a bit slower. Any discussion necessary during that time can take place on our forum topic. We have done a dry run of this upgrade and have ironed out the issues that came up, so we do not anticipate running into any problems. Still, something unexpected may always come up, so please be patient and don't panic if it takes longer than 30 minutes.

TL;DR: The Wiki will be down Tuesday at 9pm Scratch Time for about 30 minutes so we can perform software updates.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 18:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:Thank you jvvg and everyone else who has had a part in making this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 19:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Great! <small>now i like that i'm in the same time zone as Scratch</small> <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::: Same here. Looking forward to the updates! {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 19:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: Note: You can check update time from [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=English+Scratch+Wiki+Upgrade&iso=20200929T21&p1=797&am=30 here] to convert update time to your timezone. <small>However, I may not be able to see it; it will be at 4 am bruh</small>
:::: Anyway, I just wanted to thanks all users in the Wiki who made constructive edits and @Naleksuh, @Mini_Kostik, @apple502j, @Kenny2scratch, @jvvg, and other people who worked on development phase.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: @jvvg said the link before, sorry. :) {{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Awesome (woo upgrade!), but also not awesome (boo downtime!)! I hope all goes well. {{e|10mil}}{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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I hope the upgrade brings exciting new features! (and the downtime will happen when I will be asleep) {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 06:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

:I really hope everything will go well during the upgrade :) <scratchsig>LankyBox01</scratchsig> 18:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
::aaa 2 hours left! Hopefully the updates are successful again {{E|:D}} {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 22:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
::::1 hour!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for VisualEditor! <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 23:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
::::: Actually not 1 hour, because the update ''will '' start in a hour.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 00:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::45 minutes left of 1.28.3. Let's all say bye to the glorious... uh... ok I don't know. There's really not too much important to me in the upgrade (visual editor is overrated){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:18, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
{{outdent|::::::}} 10 minutes left until the update starts! I'm excited! {{E|:D}}{{User:4096bits/Signature}} 00:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Three more minutes! Thank you to everyone who has worked hard to make this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 00:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::The final minute for MW 1.28! {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 00:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::...and, we're back! Thank you to everyone who helped make this happen! {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Awesome! Being honest though I kinda like the old MW version more. Not sure why. Also visual editor doesn't work on Scratch Wiki: namespaces?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Also canned edit summaries seem to be broken (clicking on the summary box opens the canned  edit menu){{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::Dominic305, I don't think visual editor is available for any talk pages. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Oh, I suppose you are right that it isn't available in project space, either. Huh. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 03:51, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== Huh? ==

My browser (this page) just went pitch black for a split second. Did anyone else experience this?<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
:No; but for that situation, also you can hard refresh or clean your cache directly.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 19:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::As in a simple black flash, that's normally when your browsers just rendered the page again. I wouldn't worry about it.{{User:ContourLines/Signature}} 06:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

== Loss of session data ==

[https://ibb.co/J3FNV9Q]<br>Not exactly sure why, but when attempting to save an edit, I got a session error, but doing the edit again was fine. Has anyone else ever experienced this?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 20:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)<br/>
:No. It may be a problem with your iPad or Safari. I haven't used either for editing for at least 4 months, so I cannot confirm. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 20:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
::This sometimes happens when your session has conflicting data. Try doing that in an incognito (Chrome) or private (Firefox) window and see what happens, since that guarantees you have a fresh session.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 21:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

== How do I make a fill width CSS for SWS2 ==

As per title. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

== Thankful Thursday! September 24{{th}}, 2020 ==
{{Scratch Wiki:Thankful Thursday/archive 032}}

{{quote|There are many more people on this wiki who deserve these comments just as much as those who received them. :) Everyone is special and brings their own ideas. The more of us there are, the better the community spirit. Sadly, I must sign off now- <scratchsig>Makethebrainhappy</scratchsig> 01:06, 13 June 2018 (UTC)}}


The next TT is, October 29{{th}}, see you then!

{{not done}}{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 12:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
: wow big thanks <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
::Whoa! Thanks! {{E|:)}}{{User:4096bits/Signature}} 13:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

== userpage not showing /error ==
{{done}}
::: my user page [[https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788]] is showed as :::external link pls help me i need it to make my siggy how its done is it an error?
 <scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 05:41, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: It is because of how you are trying to link to your userpage. To have an internal link, you only need the page name, not the full URL of the page. So for your userpage this would be: <code><nowiki>[[User:Arjunking788]]</nowiki></code>. This will create a link like this: [[User:Arjunking788]]. If you want to make the link say something other than the exact page title, like this: [[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]] (without the "User:"), then you can do this: <code><nowiki>[[User:Arjunking788|Arjunking788]]</nowiki></code>. The reason it displays a "Bad title" error is because you were mixing the external and internal link formats. An external link with custom text is done like this: <code><nowiki>[https://example.com Example Link]</nowiki></code> (notice how it uses a " " (space) instead of a "|"), so you were actually linking to a page called <code>User:Arjunking788|User:Arjunking788</code>, which isn't a valid page name, instead of <code>User:Arjunking788</code>, which is a valid page name.<scratchsig>Mrcomputer1</scratchsig> 06:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::thank you now i could work on my siggy and i learnt to format css and html to make borders and 
:::::rounded ones
<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 11:03, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

== Good news, possibly ==
Sorry if this is kind of irrelevant on the CP, but I thought putting it here would be a good idea to stop my excitement-- I have a new computer now for my birthday, which probably means more quality edits around here! You can expect to see me around a lot more often than before, at least for a few days.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 17:55, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:Awesome! Can you tell me what hardware it has?{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
::It's a HP Pavilion gaming computer :D I'm mainly targetting to start working on a gaming channel, and this computer also has good visual effects which I need since I use programs like Scratch or the wiki a lot.<scratchsig>Nambaseking01</scratchsig> 18:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
::: Ooh, how many cores does it have? Mine has 6 <s>abs</s> cores.<br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 22:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: <small>yeah that's really relevant on the cp</small> anyway, congratulations then.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 22:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Epic, personally I'm going to [https://pcpartpicker.com/user/dominic03/saved/KtzFgs build my own] in a few months for $600.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 00:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== 2 problems ==

*1: Ken's canned edit script is broken (triggers when it shouldn't)
*2: [https://ibb.co/x1JXg14 Visual editor problems]{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 02:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Number two also [http://u.cubeupload.com/bigpuppy/VisualEditorError.png happens for me] when I try to edit [[User:Bigpuppy/Status]] or [[User:Bigpuppy/Sandbox]] using the visual editor. Editing my userpage using the visual editor does not display the error. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::I also get it on those pages, so the problem is by page. However, it also has worked for me on a number of pages without issue. I will look into this.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 03:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::I was editing the Featured Studios with Visual Editor to test and got [https://i.ibb.co/C2RxHxg/image.png the error too]... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::The problem is that VisualEditor does not work on subpages. Unfortunately this is a limitation with Apache and the design of the extension. Unfortunately there isn't really much we can do about this for now other than wait for the developers of the extension to release a patch. As for Ken's canned edit script, please contact Ken directly about that, as that is supported by him and not the Wiki as a whole.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:52, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

== Upgrade complete! ==

Hi everybody,

I am proud to report that the Wiki upgrade is complete! [[Special:Version|We are now running MediaWiki 1.35]], which should help resolve a lot of the technical issues we've had in the past. My apologies that the upgrade took somewhat longer than planned (a little over an hour instead of the 30 minutes anticipated). The only remaining major issue is that currently foreign file repositories are broken. The reason for this is that the other Wikis are still running MediaWiki 1.28 whose database structure (at least when it comes to files) is incompatible with that of MediaWiki 1.35. The other Wikis will be upgraded at some point in the future, and as each Wiki is upgraded, the file repository will also be linked.

Also, we now have two big new features:
*[https://github.com/InternationalScratchWiki/scratch-confirmaccount-v3 Our new in-house account request system], which replaces the existing system that was only a modification of an existing system. The new system allows for discussion about requests to take place on the Wiki itself rather than in comments, and also generally is more tailored towards being integrated with Scratch. This system was developed by me, apple502j, Naleksuh and kenny2scratch with translations provided by apple502j (Japanese), ahmetlii (Turkish), smrman (French), and Mini_Kostik (Russian)
*[[mediawikiwiki:Extension:VisualEditor|The VisualEditor extension]], a visual editor. This is still in beta and is currently opt-in (preferences -> editing -> "Enable the visual editor"). We have made preliminary efforts to integrate it with ScratchWikiSkin, but this is still a work-in-progress. Please let us know of any specific issues you encounter.

Thank you everybody for your patience, and please let us know of any issues you may encounter!<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 02:29, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Great! Thank you to jvvg and everyone else who made this happen! The visual editor was enabled for me by default; was that supposed to happen? {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 02:34, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::the wiki is now more clean and more better now. I love the new design when editing
::<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 04:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::For some reason, all links are now underlined. This is really annoying, and only came after the update. Could this be fixed?<scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 12:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::Yep, that happened to me too. Go to preferences, then appearance, then change the link underlining option. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 13:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Well, the default should be "skin or browser default". <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 19:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::::It was for me? I didn't have to change my preferences.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 19:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Same here; "Skin or browser default" was enabled by default for me. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 23:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Well that's weird. Maybe you had already changed your settings in the past? <scratchsig>GrahamSH</scratchsig> 13:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

== RfC for Interface admins group ==

With the recent update to MediaWiki 1.35, a new group has been created: [[Special:ListGroupRights#interface-admin]]. Currently, nobody has this group-- however this is the only group that is able to edit pages like [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]. While we have policies for how to request Experienced Wikian (through annual elections) and sysop (through requests on Community portal); there is no policy as to how to request Interface admin as it is a new group to Scratch Wiki. There are several possible ideas for how users might request this group.

Below there are three proposals. Keep in mind that these are not necessarily contradictory, multiple or all of them could coexist. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

=== Proposal 1: Allow interface admin to be requested permanently through the community portal ===

==== Support ====

==== Oppose ====
: I think the group is too specific for this to be useful-- I also think granting permanent access puts importance and does not allow specific tasks to be vetted as they should be. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

==== Comments ====

=== Proposal 2: Allow interface admin to be requested temporarily (for a specific purpose) through [[/Admin Requests]] ===

==== Support ====
: Allows users to edit the interface as needed. Seems like the best path for requesting and allows specific tasks as well as not granting permanent access as needed. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

==== Oppose ====
: "Hey can I have permissions to edit common.js? I want to [do something innocent]. - User1" "Sure, I'll grant you perms. - Admin1" "Thanks! - User1" ''User1 then proceeds to add a script that steals passwords. Admin1 quickly undos and bans User1, but the damage has been done. User1 can now login as User2 and User3.'' The exploitation possibility is too large here. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC) 
:: True, but this could also easily happen through permanent requests on the community portal. I see you chose not to vote on proposal 1 at all, neither support nor oppose. Is that mistake or intentional? <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 21:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Intentional, I would've just been repeating your message. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 02:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

==== Comments ====

=== Proposal 3: Allow interface admin to be non-controversially granted to any user with server access ===

==== Support ====
: This is exactly how it used to be, and anybody with server access is trusted, and they usually won't make changes without the community's approval; they should still ask for feedback, but they should have the right. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
==== Oppose ====
: This was initially proposed because users with server access have the ability to escalate their own permissions to begin with-- but I would still prefer they request it through the traditional method as the community should still at least be given a chance to weigh in on the attempted edits. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 03:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

==== Comments ====

== link colors ==

::how do i change link colors in html like in siggy
::<scratchsig>Arjunking788</scratchsig> 04:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:Hi there! You can use this:
:<code><nowiki><span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span></nowiki></code>
:to make this:
:<span style="color:blue">Hello, world!</span>
:You can also use hex codes, for example:
:<code><nowiki><span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span></nowiki></code>
:makes:
:<span style="color:#ec42f5">Hello, world!</span>
:Feel free to ask if you have any further questions. Also, just so you know (for the future), generally there is no need to indent the first post of a topic. {{e|:)}}<br/>{{User:Bigpuppy/Real Signature}} 04:58, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::You could also use {{t|Link attributes}} <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 13:36, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== Merge Check users and Supressors user groups with bureaucrats or administrators ==

Except for the Interface Admin user group, two other user groups were added in the new MediaWiki upgrade. They are mentioned in the title of this topic. I think those groups are unnecessary and could be merged and have their rights moved to other usergroups. {{User:Jammum/Signature}} 05:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
: These were actually removed already removed in 28, but were inadvertently restored by the upgrade. However, I personally feel like they should not be removed for a number of reasons:
:: 1) CheckUser and Suppressor inherently mean access to confidential information, which is usually specifically mentioned in the privacy policy. Voting in users for bureaucrat should not typically result in access to private information. 
:: 2) Users who have access to such information generally are scrutinized much more than users who do not. Suppressors need to deal with PII like real names, home addresses, and anything else like that. It is not the role of a bureaucrat to handle stuff like that.
:: 3) Scratch Wiki has a tendency to treat user groups like a hierarchy (i.e. Bureaucrat is better than sysop, which is better than Experienced Wikian). I think that these three new user groups help remove this bad aura.
:: 4) Bureaucrat does not have an age requirement, but I do not want minors to have access to the information that CheckUsers and Suppressors do.
:: There are a number of other reasons as well that they should not be merged, but this is just off the top of my head. Comments about Interface admin can be directed to a couple threads above this, which I assume Jammum has seen. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 05:37, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::: For your last statement, literally 99% of users ''are'' under the age of 18. I'm a minor, and I feel extremely offended by this comment. It just enforces a stereotype that everyone under the age of 13 is dumb. Also, it wouldn't be a fair opportunity for everyone. I know that admins are encouraged to have access to the discord server, but it is not mandatory.
::: For your 2nd statement, there isn't much personal info on my (and everyone else's) account. As long as you trust (or the majority trusts) the user, you'll be fine. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 12:38, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::I don't see anything about 'all people under 13 are dumb' in the post above yours. Also there is definently personal info in our accounts - I wouldn't really want people to be able to see my email address.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::Support to @Dominic305. There's also a legal side; we must ensure that someone is not using emails for email hacking or phishing - that's why we must give these roles to people that older 13 (for juridical capacity) and trusted users by the community. This doesn't mean that people under 13 is dumb, but that's risky - give a user that does not have juridical capacity may make unwanted legal consequences.{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}} 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::: After reading these, I have a proposal. There should be 2 bureaucrat ranks. One for users under the age of 13, and one for users over the age of 13. If a user is elected or appointed bureaucrat, and they happen to be underage, they would get a similar rank to normal bureaucrat but the permissions regarding the viewing and changing of personal information would be removed. This wouldn't be publicised unless the user does it themselves. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 18:09, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
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Imho nobody needs to have those perms. And just because somebody is over 13, they're automatically not going to do anything malicious with the emails? I signed up with my personal email, and I don't want anybody to know my name (I prefer anonymity). Besides, how would you know they are 13? I can easily say I'm 22, although that's a blatant lie. How would allowing any user group to view emails benefit the wiki? {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 20:44, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
: First of all, the age in question would be 18 and not 13 as 13-year-olds are still minors and are not legally able to sign non-disclosure agreements (although they are able to be bound by privacy policies). Also, I think that simply having two groups based on age only (halfway) solves one of the issues at hand and does not solve any of the others. For example, one could be granted CheckUser/Supressor and not bureaucrat; or bureaucrat and not CheckUser/Suppressor. The two groups should not be merged into bureaucrat, and I think that having seperate groups for users who are over or under 13 is simply problematic, discriminatory, and does not solve the issues at all. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
: To VFDan, while asking for a users' birthday is sufficient for COPPA compliance, for access to confidential information, proof of legal identification is usually required, and lying about the age would immediately be found out. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:: If the age would be 18, then let's just get rid of literally every single admin or EW! I have a hunch that almost every EW/Admin is under 18, leaving the very few 18+ admins to do all the work. Many adults have jobs to do, and that explains their activity. <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 21:16, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== Skin problems ==

It seems that the Cologne Blue and Modern skins do not work at all. Once you switch to one of them, every page will look like [https://ibb.co/W0Gk7TQ this (Modern)] or [https://ibb.co/LJB762W this (Cologne Blue)]. If the skin is accidently set you can append <code>?useskin=vector</code> so you can revert your settings, but this should still probably be fixed ASAP so new editors don't have this problem and not know how to fix it. It may also be my iPad acting weird so if anyone wants to test it use the Preview function.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
: Let me test on macOS with Chrome... <br />{{User:Garnetluvcookie/Sig}} 15:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:: Can reproduce on Chromium Microsoft Edge v85.0.564.63 on Windows 10 v1909. Must be something that was broken during the update. {{User:4096bits/Signature}} 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Probably needs to be updated itself for compatibility. Looks like whatever function it did no longer exists.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 16:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::::These were removed from core MW somewhere between 1.28 and 1.35. They have to be manually added or removed. {{User:VFDan/Sig}} 17:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::::I have updated all skins, so you should be good now. Do be aware that we only provide official support for ScratchWikiSkin.<scratchsig>jvvg</scratchsig> 01:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

== Minor Grammatical Issue in Footer ==

It says "Privacy policy" instead of Privacy Policy. Should not this be fixed? <scratchsig>R4356th</scratchsig> 17:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:It's same though and I think that it should not be capitalized because of it's a general title (bundled with MediaWiki).{{User:Ahmetlii/sig}}
::It's capitalized on Scratch though <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:04, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::Should we copy everything on Scratch's footer to here? There are a lot of links there that aren't here.... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 18:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
:::: This is not a "grammatical issue" or something that must be "fixed"-- capitalization like that is common, but Scratch Wiki has the idea of Capitalizing Everything Ever. For example, the default capitalization for [[Special:RecentChanges]] is <code>Recent chamges</code>, but was changed on Scratch Wiki to <code>Recent changes</code>. As for copying over the Scratch footer, a rewrite of ScratchWikiSkin into ScratchWikiSkin3 was proposed on Discord, but I do not know if that is happening. Currently, the skin uses various MediaWiki messages, usually introducing new ones, but sometimes using existing ones, which I would guess Privacy policy is one of those cases. <scratchsig>Naleksuh</scratchsig> 20:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

== Is the Scratch website having problems? ==

Anyone else having problems with Scratch? Pretty much all the 'new' parts of the site are broken, and... well... [https://ibb.co/5BLf3vs this image] speaks for itself.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 15:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
:I haven't... but wouldn't this be better suited for the scratch website instead? Unless you're also having problems in the forums lol... <br/>{{User:12944qwerty/Templates/Sig}} 17:38, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
::It was across the website. It seems to be fixed now.{{User:Dominic305/Templates/Signature}} 18:47, 1 October 2020 (UTC)