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== Some Article Ideas for Everybody ==
 
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These are some articles I'm thinking could be created. If anybody wants to give these a shot at making them, feel free! Also, it can be smart to write articles in your sandbox if it's incomplete and then create the article after you finish it in your sandbox. This reduces the number of stub articles in the mainspace.
 
These are some articles I'm thinking could be created. If anybody wants to give these a shot at making them, feel free! Also, it can be smart to write articles in your sandbox if it's incomplete and then create the article after you finish it in your sandbox. This reduces the number of stub articles in the mainspace.
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*{{done}} - '''Saving a Project''' - An article on how to save a Scratch project. Whether it be saved online or how to download it to your computer and save it there. It should be documented.
 
*{{done}} - '''Saving a Project''' - An article on how to save a Scratch project. Whether it be saved online or how to download it to your computer and save it there. It should be documented.
  
*'''Sound Recorder''' - An article on how to connect a mic to Scratch and record sound in the [[Sound Editor]]. It's not really documented now. Currently we do have the article [[Sound Recorder]] which documents a Scratch 1.4 feature. This could be moved to [[Sound Recorder (1.4)]] and then a new article Sound Recorder can be made to document recording in Scratch 2.0.
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*{{done|Moved and redirected}} - '''Sound Recorder''' - An article on how to connect a mic to Scratch and record sound in the [[Sound Editor]]. It's not really documented now. Currently we do have the article [[Sound Recorder]] which documents a Scratch 1.4 feature. This could be moved to [[Sound Recorder (1.4)]] and then a new article Sound Recorder can be made to document recording in Scratch 2.0.
 
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::We came to the point that computer isn't relevant to Scratch. <br/>{{User:Banana439monkey/sig}} 06:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 
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::::Seems like Downy did "Saving a Project"!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 
::::Seems like Downy did "Saving a Project"!{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 
:::::[[Jobs]] now redirects to [[Scratch Team#Jobs]]. If someone can either expand the section that would be great. Alternatively, someone could make a full-fledged article on it if they want and replace the redirect with that.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:48, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
 
:::::[[Jobs]] now redirects to [[Scratch Team#Jobs]]. If someone can either expand the section that would be great. Alternatively, someone could make a full-fledged article on it if they want and replace the redirect with that.{{User:Kenny2scratch/sig}} 06:48, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
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== A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All ==
 
== A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All ==

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Some Article Ideas for Everybody

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These are some articles I'm thinking could be created. If anybody wants to give these a shot at making them, feel free! Also, it can be smart to write articles in your sandbox if it's incomplete and then create the article after you finish it in your sandbox. This reduces the number of stub articles in the mainspace.

  • Adobe Flash Player - it's a fairly significant thing that's required for Scratch 2.0, but there is no article on it specifically. This article could provide info on what it is and details specifically on how to get it in different web browsers and operating systems.
  • Computer - We already have some articles on computer science, such as Computer Science and Lag. They are somewhat related to Scratch, and so is a computer. It's the main device used to run Scratch. An article on it is probably a good idea. It can cover basic logistics of computers but it also needs to be linked to Scratch in some way. You could talk about the development of computers coinciding with the progress of Scratch.
  • Yes Done - Defaults Library - Scratch has a built-in Costumes Library and Sprite Library and Sounds Library. I think maybe an article on this would be good.
  • Yes Redirected - Jobs - the main Scratch website has a Jobs page linked in the footer. As to why I think this deserves an article, we already have an article for the Statistics Page, Privacy Policy, and Terms of Use. I think, though, rather than talking about the Jobs page it could probably talk about Jobs. Scratch is an employer so this could be a good article on that stuff.
  • Yes Stub - Main Menu - It's part of most games, so we should probably have an article on it. What a main menu is and how to create one. Well we do have Creating a Main Menu but if we have an article on that an article on main menus in general is a good idea. You could even go outside of Scratch a bit and talk about main menus in NES games and such.
  • Removing a Character from a String - fairly self-explanatory.
  • Yes Done - Replicating a Multidimensional List - lists are 1D in Scratch. Just a list of items. In other programming languages you have multidimensional Arrays, so rather than have a list of say items 1-5, you may a have a list of items 1-5 but each of those items has a list inside of it. That'd be a 2D list. So basically you have lists inside of lists.
There are ways to "replicate" a multidimensional list with a 1D list. For example, if you want a list of 5 items and inside each item you want a list of 3 items, you can just pretend that the first 3 items in the list belong to the list items of the 1st highest dimension item in the list. I hope that makes sense. Like every 3 items it becomes a new item in a sense.
Then you can think outside of the box some. What if you don't want the same number of items in a list inside of an item? Well it requires some more complex logic then.
I also noticed the article Array does cover this some. But I think it would be possible to have a standalone article that goes way more in-depth.
  • Yes Done - Saving a Project - An article on how to save a Scratch project. Whether it be saved online or how to download it to your computer and save it there. It should be documented.
  • Yes Moved and redirected - Sound Recorder - An article on how to connect a mic to Scratch and record sound in the Sound Editor. It's not really documented now. Currently we do have the article Sound Recorder which documents a Scratch 1.4 feature. This could be moved to Sound Recorder (1.4) and then a new article Sound Recorder can be made to document recording in Scratch 2.0.


Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 22:18, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

We came to the point that computer isn't relevant to Scratch.
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,626)) 06:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm making the multidimensional list one in my sandbox now.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Done! I've put it at Multidimensional Arrays, but feel free to move it if you have a better title.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
00:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Nice!!
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 00:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! :D I am actually making a project that implements this on my testing account, so this article was more familiar to me to make.
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00:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── By the way, there is a section of one article that talks about the jobs available (Scratch Team#Jobs), although I agree it's a bit brief. I suggest we expand that section instead of making an article about it and have Jobs redirect to that section.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
03:13, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll create the Main Menu page really quick. It'll be basic, and won't have too much stuff (I'm not the best with wiki markup), but luckily you guys can edit it later. I'll just make a few description points and stuff like that.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 22:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I finished creating the Main Menu page. Wow, it was annoying trying to find a category, realizing I don't know what category to fit it into, creating a new category, creating a new category page, and then having to find a category for THAT page. I've marked it as a stub, though; it's not too complete, but it's still there.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 23:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
A quick note: I moved Main Menu to Menu (project) after a discussion between Duckboycool, WolfCat67 and I on the talk page. So yeah. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 17:06, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Seems like Downy did "Saving a Project"!
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
06:25, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Jobs now redirects to Scratch Team#Jobs. If someone can either expand the section that would be great. Alternatively, someone could make a full-fledged article on it if they want and replace the redirect with that.
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06:48, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Sound Recorder now redirects to Sound Editor, and the original article has been moved to Sound Recorder (1.4). Now that all of these are done or rejected, this topic is finally Yes Done too!

A Thorough Discussion on Thinking of the Past, Present, Future, and Organizing them All

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One of the complexities of documenting Scratch is it changes so much. When Scratch transitioned from 1.4 to 2.0 there was an unbelievable amount of work on the Wiki that required tons of articles to be updated. This reached the solution of keeping articles relating to Scratch 1.4 but denoting them by putting "(1.4)" in the title of the article. For example, the older version of Paint Editor is Paint Editor (1.4). Another example is Project Compression (1.4) which is the old version of Project Compression.

I think we need to set in place some standards. In the future, we are going to have to do this for Scratch 3.0, so it's better if it can be done consistently. Firs thing to discuss is:

Past or Present Tense - I have noticed it is not always consistent. For example, Scratch Forums (1.4) discusses the forums in past tense. Paint Editor (1.4) uses the present tense, though that may make more sense since you can still use Scratch 1.4 while the Scratch forums are nonexistent. However, an article like Project Downloading (1.4) talks in the present tense even though project downloading on the Scratch 1.4 site is not possible since that old version of the site does not exist.

So I wonder, for an article that documents a feature in an old version of Scratch that is still accessible like the 1.4 Paint Editor, should it be: past or present tense?

For an article that documents a feature in an old version of Scratch that is impossible to access and there solely for history, should it be: past or present tense?

In the latter case of an article that documents an unavailable feature just for history, if present tense is used it sort of gives off the feel that that is how the article would be read if you were to be reading it in 2010 or whenever. This may make sense if we want our articles to sort of be like a frozen time capsule of the past. But if past tense is used, that could also make more sense because it's not 2010 but 2017.

Block Pages - This brings up another issue, and it has to do with block pages. An example of this is Distance to () (block). Please note that there is no Distance to () (block) (1.4) page on the Wiki, and that is so because this block is available in both Scratch 1.4 and 2.0, so we believed it was not necessary to document the same block in a prior version of Scratch. I'm starting to think, though, it might be a good idea.

Take a look at the script on that page. It uses the if <> then block as well as the stop [all v] block. Both these blocks are sort of in Scratch 1.4, but "if ()" then was just "if ()" and "stop [all v]" was just "stop all". So if somebody is using Scratch 1.4 and looks up the documentation of this block on the Wiki, the scripts in the article may use blocks not available in 1.4. There are probably more examples of block pages on the Wiki that use blocks not in Scratch 1.4, probably more dire examples than mine above.

It's just something to think about. How do we want to make our Wiki consistent throughout history to avoid any possible confusion? Do block articles deserve a (1.4) version or not? Eventually we are going to have (2.0) articles. It's best to decide stuff like this at the present moment.

If Block - I just noticed there happens to be no article on it. Technically "if () then" is only in 2.0, so shouldn't "if () (block) (1.4)" be an article?

Titles of Articles on items not in 2.0 - Examples of what I am talking about are the articles Stop All (block) as well as Java Player. The titles of these articles do not have (1.4) in the title because, well, they are not available in Scratch 2.0! So, I'm going to ask you guys, do you think by not having (1.4) in the title, it can be misleading, making people think it's a feature still available?

It does say at the top, "This article or section documents a feature not included in the current version of Scratch (2.0). It is only useful from a historical perspective" so I do not believe anybody reading the article is going to be confused and think the Java Player still exists. But do you think it should or should not have "(1.4)" in the title, or should "(1.4)" only be in the title of articles on features that have been replaced in Scratch 2.0?
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 22:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Turkey3 at it again with the great writing! I intend to move some things (leaving redirects, ofc) once I have time.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
23:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Firstly, I think that this is a very important topic. It's important to get this right, or, like you say, things could get more messy and complicated.
So, here are my views:
I agree that past tense should be used when something is no longer accessible, it's odd to say 'you can' if you can't anymore. Similarly, I support using present tense on still accessible but outdated features because you still 'can'.
I don't think we should make 1.4 versions of articles for blocks that are unchanged on both versions. Examples are only examples, so I don't believe it's worth duplicating a page for them. That being said, it should be good practice to make examples as 1.4/2.0-friendly as possible.
I also agree with making a 'if () (block) (1.4)' article as the change between versions could be a cause for confusion, and this article could help clear up that confusion.
I believe that the version number used on an article on an outdated feature should be the last version it was available in, making it clear that it is no longer used.
Furthermore, a feature on the current version should have no version number in my opinion, as this causes lots of moving when Scratch updates and also makes it appear to be historic, as the version number looks like it's denoting a secondary, or outdated version of something.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 18:52, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
So with that said do you believe the title should be "Java Player" or "Java Player (1.4)"?
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 19:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I support Java Player (1.4) and Stop All (block) (1.4) and at this moment I also support Flash Player and Stop () (block). However, when Scratch 3.0 comes, I believe that Flash Player should become Flash Player (2.0) and there should be a new article titled HTML5 Player.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 19:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Should "Griffpatch" become a wiki article?

No Not done

Now, I know that you're not supposed to create articles about users and all, but arguably, griffpatch is now a part of Scratch culture. The same goes for "Kaj"; they have an article, and they were a user once. However, since they became part of Scratch culture, they were allowed to have a topic made for them. So, we at the Discord chat have all been thinking about what to do. What are your thoughts on the matter? Of course, we would probably have to contact griffpatch about it to see if they're OK with it first.
WolfCat67 (talk | contribs) 04:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

I've put the logs of the Discord conversation here for anyone that can't access it. I will say that I don't really mind that much whether we choose to make a Griffpatch article or delete the Kaj one, but I definitely do think that we should be consistent. I would argue that Griffpatch would actually make for a better article than Kaj, as it doesn't have that teasing element to it. It's also undeniable that Griffpatch is a huge part of Scratch culture nowadays, while Kaj is honestly dieing out a bit.
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 04:11, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
So far, it seems like the reasoning for a griffpatch article is that he's massively popular, that he has the most popular Scratch project, he has a massive whitelist for chat projects, etc...
This is not what the wiki is for. It's not a popularity contest.
However, on that note, an article is allowable on other grounds. For example, the griffpatch problem. The ST acknowledged that many new Scratchers have trouble because they aim too high.
If there was more content in this direction, a griffpatch article would be acceptable.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 04:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I personally would support a Griffpatch article.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 04:38, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm pretty much neutral about this. Even though Griffpatch is one of the most well-known Scratch users, I think he's a bit overrated. Also, Kaj's account was deleted, but Griffpatch's still exists, so we may need his permission.
Nickeljorn (talk | contribs) 19:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I have a sudden concern with this: What happens if Griffpatch suddenly decides to come on the Wiki? If he's accepted, he'll have a userpage and a mainspace page about him. Otherwise, I'm neutral.
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
01:58, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
So what...?
Hamish752 (talk | contribs) 02:04, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
I personally would be in favour of a griffpatch article because I feel that he is as notable if not more notable than Kaj. I would also be in favour of not adding a griffpatch article and removing the Kaj article as well. (For the reasons stated above by Hamish)
The_Grits (talk | contribs) 14:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────For as long as I have been on the wiki, the criteria for articles about the community, users, projects, studios and collaborations has been "Was the product "sponsored" by the Scratch Team? This definition is tangable in a sense concerning all the above mentioned topics. "Kaj" became "sponsored" when the Scratch Team used him to describe an important point to the community. My impression is that this wiki is not about what really occurs in the community but more about what the Scratch Team does and the projects which they decide to back. Studios and collaborations are "sponsored" when they are set up by the Scratch Team and/or run by them. Forums have articles because they were set up by the Scratch Team, and so forth. My worry is that if we change this definition to what we define as "Scratch culture" I believe we lose the philosophy which has been held here. How we define "Scratch culture" is much less clear than the previous definition which I layed out. :) Now this does open up many new topics which may deserve articles because an argument can be made that they were "sponsored". The "griffpatch effect" as mentioned by ErnieParke may be an active problem that the Scratch Team is concerned with, and therefore deserves an article. Does "Griffpatch" deserve an article? No, b/c then we would need to write articles for many, many more community entities that deserve such. "WazzoTV" or "HobsonTV", with over 10,000 followers each may need articles as well. It would change our focus from being wiki editors to being wiki journalists, constantly updating and adding articles based on the newest cultural changes. Just my two cents on the matter ;)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 20:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes. He should. It could start with “Griffpatch is a very famous scratcher…”
Forested (talk | contribs) 09:23, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Did you read any of the previous replies...?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Embedding of Scratch Projects

No Not done

Hey! :) I was thinking it'd be cool if we could embed Scratch projects into the wiki. They could be used in place of the existing example projects in the Pen Projects article, used on certain tutorial pages to demonstrate an expected result or even show a process more easily using an animation.

At the moment, you can't use the <iframe> tag required for embedding a Scratch project on the wiki. I've done a little research, and it looks like the easiest way to allow iframes would be to install this Media Wiki plugin. The good thing about this extension is that it doesn't allow the embedding of any iframe, it can be configured to only allow the embedding of Scratch projects, for example.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 22:02, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

My concern is that having projects load on a WIki page could be slow and take up a lot of RAM and make things slower overall.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 22:09, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I definitely take your point. As long as we only embed one low-asset project per page though, it's impact on loading times would be more limited.
One article I thought could benefit is Pen Art Examples. For example, this project could be used to let readers see how it is rendered, in addition to the existing pictures. Readers could also then click the link and see inside to learn more.
EH7meow (talk | contribs) 17:18, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
We could just make a gif of the pen being rendered.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:21, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
I have a(n) (possibly better) idea. If we could enable video files to be uploaded, then we could make screen recordings of example projects and have those recordings directly in articles. Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:07, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
If I'm correct, mp4's were suggested before and accepted, but support was not added to the wiki.
This time around, when I re-suggest mp4's, how about we compile a list of what pages would benefit from it? Having examples is good motivation.
ErnieParke (talk | contribs) 14:18, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Sure! I think over 3/4 of all How To pages and tutorials would benefit from this :P
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Support! It would be like the YouTube videos on the Minecraft Gamepedia Wiki!
Forested (talk | contribs) 19:38, 3 August 2017 (UTC)




My edit count seems to be out of sync

No Not done

If I transclude my edit count, I get 11,054; but on the actual page, the "Total" count is 319 less than the transcluded count! What's going on?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
07:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Werid. If I do it, I get 329 but that is actually a few less than the count on the page.
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 13:43, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Same here! The only difference is that mine is only 10 behind.
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 14:21, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Is anybody else having the same problem?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
09:18, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Actually, when transcluded, my Editcount is 25 less than the real count...:/
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 11:45, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

New (but small) template(s)

I have one template idea that I think will have much use: Username. Not to be confused with User, it is just a user page link instead of user page, talk, and contribs.

Example:

{{username|jvvg}}

Produces
jvvg

Two other complementary, but less needed, ideas are “talk” and “contribs” - [[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] and [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]] respectively.

Thoughts?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
10:14, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I like the idea however some users might not have their talk page linked on their userpage so it would make it harder access their it from a RC.
-Vuton- (talk | contribs) 10:33, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
I’m not sure what you’re saying here - could you please rephrase/clarify?
Kenny2scratch logo.jpg kenny2scratch  Talk  Contribs  Directory 
14:20, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, you know how most users have a header on their talk page? Some new users don't. If they made a edit and you wanted to talk to them about that edit, you wouldn't be able to get to their talk page from the RC's because that button is gone and they don't have it on their userpage either! Meaning you would have to manually type in the URL.
-Vuton- (talk | contribs) 20:19, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
How does that effect this? This is just linking to their talk and contribs page. Also, why wouldn't you be able to get to there from the RCs?
Duckboycool.jpg  Duckboycool  (Talk | Contribs | Edits) 22:38, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Oh, Sorry! I misread the original comment! :P
-Vuton- (talk | contribs) 08:42, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Could you add it as a parameter option in {{User}}?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 20:15, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── That’s true! Yes Done.
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21:30, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

A Question on articles for Extensions, specifically isOnline

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I have come to question an article for isOnline (iOv2) or any other user created extensions. First of all, would it break the rules listed in S:NOSP. There are exceptions, but does it fit? S:NOSP states:

Almost all articles about users and user-generated content will be deleted. The wiki is not the place for advertisements or biographies; these pages may end up being targets for vandalism (e.g. "this user was mean!"). The exceptions to this rule are:

  • Topics that have been considered important/notable enough in Scratch's history by a majority of wiki editors that they deserve an article. (ex. Kaj, Removed Pac-Man Project, etc.)
  • Articles about important roles in the community designated by the Scratch Team (ex. Community Moderator, Curator, etc.)
  • Projects may be linked to as examples to get the point of an article across more effectively, such as on Pen Projects. They must, however, be relevant to the topic and work adequately well.
  • Trends that are notably popular; the trends must be practiced by many Scratchers. One example of this is the Toki trend started by Maki-Tak a few years ago.
    • Specific instances of this trend may also be used in the same way as example projects. For exam

ple, the Collaboration page has examples of several notable collaborations started on Scratch.

If a username is mentioned (e.g. the creator of a Scratch Modification) do not make a link to that user's Scratch profile or Wiki user page.

First, iOv2 is user generated content. Though it seems the Wiki community has made a decision on it, and has already made an article as I am typing this. But what is the Scratch community's' input on this?

Second, would we really have enough to put on that article? We can add updates, but what else.

Third, are we advertising this extension? We are part of a Wiki at an educational site of one of the most prestigious colleges in the world. Does the college, does the Scratch Team, approve and support this extension?

Fourth, "isOnlineV2" is the official spelling of the extension, not "IsOnlineV2."

On a final note, I would like us to reevaluate our decision to include this as an article one last time.

Thank you.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 16:45, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

First off, I think that we should have at least a list of browser extensions. Like the ExtensionScratch Device Plugin Helper, which was made by the ST. There's also Scratch Messaging Extension, made by griffpatch, #Bring It Back, lots of extensions. But I do support the idea of an isOnline wiki page, just to inform people about what it is and how it works.


Pylar (talk | contribs) 21:57, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Could we get some more Wiki community input. Wikians, Ews, Admins?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 14:50, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
I don't know about it, It is a very popular and useful extension. Thoughts Admins?
Vuton Logo.png -Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 18:16, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
I thought there was an EW here :). Anyhow- it seems to me that we have made articles for very notable extensions and that isOnline was receiving an article for being the most-used community extension which exists. Although based on the thisandagain quote we may want to reevaluate it :)
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 19:17, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Devil's Advocate:
The page seems to be written like a how-to page rather than an informative page. I'm sure isonline provides the same information on their website.
Most of the extensions/mods we have have some sort of affiliation with Scratch OR they have been used by Scratch. The quote that Makethebrainhappy is referring to shows clearly that the Scratch Team is not endorsing or connected with the extension.
By Scratch_Wiki:Editing_Conventions#Capitalization, even though it is isOnline without the initial capital letter, the first word has to have an initial capital letter in this case.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:55, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
That is precisely what I am saying. This is from the OP by me.
Third, are we advertising this extension? We are part of a Wiki at an educational site of one of the most prestigious colleges in the world. Does the college, does the Scratch Team, approve and support this extension?

-sip-

On a final note, I would like us to reevaluate our decision to include this as an article one last time.


Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 21:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
People think the page should exist and I am expressing my opinions that go against the grain as new insight. That is called a devils advocate.
anyways yes this extension is popular but it seems just like a separate extension not really worthy of being a separate wiki page.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 04:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
SO should we keep it as a wiki page? My main point was bolded just above, which has not been answered.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 16:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
seeing the content on the page i think it should not exist. i feel like everything on the isonline page could be written on their website rather than the wiki
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:20, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Should we delete the article then?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:23, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
We should probably wait for some other admins/EWs/users before deleting the article. Perhaps it could get moved to a user's subpages.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 17:25, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I still support the article. Plus if IsOnline ever goes away the Wiki would be there to document its historical notability.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:26, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I see your point, but the thing with me is that by having this article, I believe that we are showing the the ST and MIT support these extensions. If iO ever goes sour, than we will have to document that too, correct? So does the ST support the article and by extension, the extension itself, does the college do the same?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:42, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't see it as any different from articles like BYOB or Explore (Scratch Modification) or Dream (Scratch Modifcation). The only difference I see is that it's an extension instead of a modification, but both still play a role in enhancing Scratch's current features.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 17:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
We have a quote from thisandagain stating that the ST doesn't support isOnline. Also, we have a wiki page on something called Kurt which I didn't even know existed until I clicked the random page button. So if THAT gets a page, isOnline definitely should.
Pylar (talk | contribs) 18:08, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
There's also the issue of pages that exist on the Wiki that wouldn't be allowed of this day. Kurt, and the other mod pages would of gone through the same amount of discussion if the page were created on this day rather than in 2013, etc.
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 18:16, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
But the question is: Are those mods completely supported by the ST? I am aware that iO is not.
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 18:28, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Of course not, they'll never officially support anything that's not theirs because don't want to be liable if something goes wrong with a program beyond their control.
Turkey3MiniProfilePic.pngTurkey3Sig1.pngTurkey3Sig2.pngTurkey3Sig3.pngContributionsTurkey3Sig5.png 21:25, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
So then should they be deleted? Or, Should we move these to a category of users' extensions with a sice red template saying that these are only to document popular extensions and are not supported by the ST?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 14:56, 14 August 2017 (UTC)


Should we...?

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Should we propose new changes to featured images?
Banana439monkey.png banana439monkey (Talk | Contribs | Scratch | Edits (2,626)) 07:16, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Featured images haven’t changed since my 2000 edit mark. I say aye.
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07:34, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
Suggestions?
Makethebrainhappy (talk | contribs) 16:18, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
clicky
Drunken_Sailor (talk | contribs) 21:22, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Removed Featured Project

This project, titled Metroid by a user (I dont know the name, was removed from the Featured projects bar for being a copy of a different project. Are we inputting this on the Featured Projects article?
Customhacker Logo Blue.jpg Cυƨтσмнαcκεя ( тαʟκ | cσптяıв ) 17:33, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Isn’t that like the opposite of sponsored by the ST? I say nay.
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20:57, 17 August 2017 (UTC)


Scratch Camp Articles and what to do with them

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What do the above articles all have in common? They are all about Scratch Camps. However, there is already an article about all of the Scratch Camps here. Since there is (usually) a Scratch Camp every year, that will result a lot of articles about just Scratch Camps in a couple of years. Plus, each of the articles say pretty much the same thing -- what the camp's theme was, who the counselors are, etc. I was wondering everyone's opinions on this:

What if all the separate Scratch Camp articles were deleted except the main one (Scratch Camps), and on Scratch Camps we kept the sections about each Scratch Camp, and added a new section to that article every year about the new Scratch Camp. This would prevent new unneeded articles about every single Scratch Camp.

Thanks for reading, and I'd really like to hear your opinion. Scratch on! ;)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 00:58, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

I never saw why each camp should have its own article in the first place. Support.
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01:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
Yeah... As I said, they're pretty much saying the same types of things. :)
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 01:49, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Change “new section” wording from “Comment” to “Add topic”

^^ - I occaisionally get new users commenting at the top of my talk, and I think if the wording was changed to “add topic” it would be more clear that that is the better way to comment on someone’s talk.

To do so, an admin needs to change MediaWiki:Addsection from Comment to Add topic.

Thoughts?
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09:20, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Maybe... How about "New topic"?
But I think "comment" explains it already...
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 14:59, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
I think you need to change that to "new topic".
Yzyzyz (talk | contribs) 17:15, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
It seems like “Comment” doesn’t get the message through that you use this to comment - so that’s why I suggested this. “New topic” seems fine too - but “comment” evidently isn’t.
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06:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Okay -- yes, I support "new topic."
Bigpuppy Logo.png bigpuppy talk | contribs 16:14, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
+1
Vuton Logo.png -Vuton- (Talk 💬 | Contribs 💾 | Pages 📚) 19:22, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
I changed it: tell me how you guys like it?
KrIsMa Anamation2.gif KrIsMa user | talk | contribs | edits 19:40, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes Looks good! I hope that will help users realize they should post at the bottom :)
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21:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)